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sivangslomo_: still there? I hope I'm not missing you again another day..12:09
slomo_sivang: still there, yes ;)12:09
slomo_but not for long12:09
sivang:-/12:09
=== sivang is slow
slomo_don't worry :) i'll take a look at your package... and then go to bed :)12:10
sivangslomo_: well, I don't want to keep you up12:10
sivangslomo_: if we don't finish before you need to go to bed, just sign off, I'll ping you again tomorrow12:10
=== sivang tries to understand the relation between --prefix in disutils and where the package is getting builu
sivangbuilt, eeven12:11
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sivangslomo_: hmm, weird, I suggenly get this when binary building :12:24
sivangslomo_: Died at /usr/bin/intltool-merge line 1069.12:24
sivangslomo_: for both desktop files12:24
slomo_sivang: nice... what did you do?12:24
sivangslomo_: well, only what you said :)12:25
slomo_sivang: ok, weird :) could you upload it somewhere?12:26
sivangI'm trying to run it manually now, maybe I will get a prope error message12:26
sivangslomo_: sure, to revu12:26
sivangsec12:26
sivangjust need to finish the "making scripts executable bit"12:26
sivangslomo_: okay, building source and uploaidng12:37
sivangslomo_: done, it's on revu12:40
slomo_sivang: url? :)12:40
sivangslomo_: well, I need ot wait 5 minute for it to come up there, and then I will send you12:40
slomo_ok12:40
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sivangslomo_: see f you can check the intl tool die out please ;-) ?12:42
sivangslomo_: this is what intl tool tried to do when diying -     open OUTPUT, ">${OUTFILE}" or die;12:44
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sivangslomo_: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=230412:48
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slomo_sivang: thanks... hm, i'll take a look tomorrow, ok? or is it really urgent?12:50
sivangslomo_: well, only if you can ack that the previous issue are okay and I'm only left at finding out that die out ? :)12:50
=== sivang would like ot have knowlege of what is still broken to be prepared for tomorrow
slomo_oh12:51
slomo_hm12:51
slomo_shouldn't python be in Build-Depends?12:51
slomo_and you should only set the files executable that have the shebang ;)12:52
slomo_not all .py files12:52
sivangthey all do12:52
sivangin the backend dir12:52
sivangeach program makes sens to run on it's own12:53
sivangthe unit tests are differnet cmd line utils12:53
slomo_ok12:53
slomo_and please put python into Build-Depends12:53
sivangah, apart maybe for the __init__.py ...12:53
slomo_it's required for clean12:53
sivanghow come ?12:53
sivang(for clean, that is)12:53
slomo_you call python in clean ;)12:53
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sivangbut isn't depending on python-dev in -indep enough?12:54
slomo_no... Build-Depends must contain everything that is needed for clean and binary-arch12:54
slomo_Build-Depends-Indep everything additionally required for binary-indep12:54
sivangah...12:54
slomo_did you remove the .bzr directories?12:55
sivangyes12:55
sivangI added it to a script I made to create the source12:55
slomo_there's still the space missing for the coreutils Depends12:55
slomo_hm why don't you use bzr export or similar? :)12:56
sivangin the rules file?12:56
slomo_coreutils in control12:56
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slomo_and bzr export for your create-source script12:56
sivangfixed coreutils space12:57
sivangfixed python build-depends12:57
slomo_hm should be fine then12:58
sivangslomo_: ah, I sometimes commit only after building a source and seeing it's good12:58
slomo_but i'll take a closer look tomorrow :)12:58
sivangokay :-) I didn't packaging something so siple can become such a project12:58
=== sivang wishesfor 48 hours a day
slomo_hehe01:01
slomo_packaging can be much work :)01:01
sivangwell, I already had so much work in the coding itself,01:02
sivangI thought this is going to be resting :)01:02
sivangso I'm surprised01:02
sivangslomo_: anyway, thank you for your help01:03
slomo_np :) if you still have any questions feel free to ask... and i'll tell you tomorrow when something is still wrong with the package, otherwise get bddebian to look at it and upload :)01:03
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sivangthis seems a hard birth :)01:04
slomo_well, your package was really good for the first time :)01:04
sivanghehe, thanks. I followed and studied gdebi, and tried to make it best suited for upbackup, so I leanred from the best eventhough they made it a bit hackish due lack of time :)01:05
sivangslomo_: so coreutils space and Python into build depends are the last two thing syou can remember fornow right?01:06
slomo_yes01:06
sivangokay, I'll upload a new version to revu so you could take a look tommorow morning01:06
slomo_thanks :) and now i go to bed... good night :)01:07
sivangnight01:08
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sivanghmm, I wonder why when dputting i get "this key is not certified blah blah" for my own key ..01:13
sivanganybody an idea?01:14
sivangah, never mind, night all01:15
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bddebianHeya gang02:10
jmghi all02:10
bddebianHello jmg02:11
ajmitchafternoon02:11
bddebianHeya ajmitch02:11
jmgdoes dholback hang out here?02:12
jmgbach*02:13
crimsunyes, but he's asleep.02:13
jmgcrimsun: thanks02:13
LaserJockdholbach is everywhere02:14
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bddebianLaserJock: :-)02:14
jmgeverything is slow02:15
jmg(all the *.ubuntu.com sites)02:15
bddebianLP seems OK to me02:16
crimsunseems a bit sluggish, but I can't tell whether that's due to current wifi traffic02:16
ajmitchseems fast enough for me02:16
jmgcant search ubuntu-devel from google groups :(02:16
bddebianGads, some of these bug reports are just funky02:17
crimsunjmg: http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ubuntu.devel02:18
crimsunif you think it's bad now, just wait til dapper releases02:18
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crimsunwe're going to have loads of fun02:18
bddebianWhy, our job it done after release ;-P02:19
chillywillyhi02:19
bddebianHeya chillywilly02:20
crimsunif you don't work with/aren't upstream, sure ;)02:20
bddebiancrimsun: I'm nobody :-)02:20
chillywillybddebian: you're somebody to me :)02:20
bddebianchillywilly: Aww, thanks d00d :-)02:21
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bddebianEgads, vnc4 is 26 Mb02:51
ajmitchsure, it probably has a bunch of xfree86 source in it02:53
trappistif I attach a debdiff to a bug in a universe package, I can assign it to motu-reviewers?02:53
bddebiantrappist: Sure02:54
trappistossum.  and that's motu-reviewers@tauware.de ?02:55
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jmgwhy cant i edit a spec on lp? says permission denied03:14
bddebianA spec?03:17
jmgbddebian: specifications03:18
bddebianjmg: I know what spec means, I didn't get the context for LP :-)03:19
bddebianajmitch: Is vnc4 unfixable?03:20
jmghttps://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/xen-enabled-kernel03:20
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bddebianOhh03:20
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bddebianHeya Hobbsee03:26
jmgheh, rename is disabled.03:26
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StevenKThat took some doing.03:28
Hobbseehehe03:28
StevenKbddebian: vnc4 is *hard* to fix.03:28
Tm_Tbashing, wheee!03:28
Tm_Tme too, me too!03:28
StevenKbddebian: It contains parts of XFree86 in its source tree.03:29
bddebianStevenK: OK thx, I'll assign it to ajmitch then ;-P03:29
StevenKbddebian: I spent the better part of two hours looking at it, and gave up in disgust.03:29
Hobbseehaha...ajmitch will love that...03:30
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StevenKI don't like my chances, though.03:32
bddebianI looked at that one.  Didn't touch it :-)03:34
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nictukuhi I have made a patch for bug #41123 should I send it to revu?03:35
UbugtuMalone bug 41123 in smart "wrong default channel for dapper " [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/4112303:35
nictukuI mean, send the updated package03:35
bddebiannictuku: I would prefer the patch on LP, but that's just my worthless personal opinion :-)03:36
StevenKbddebian: Well, I'm going to try a rebuild, and see what that does.03:36
nictukushould I update the changlog too?03:36
bddebiannictuku: Yes03:37
nictukuok, done, sent the patch to LP. who should I talk to to merge that? :-)03:38
nictukumvo?03:38
StevenKSomeone who to can upload to universe? :-)03:38
nictukumotu's, please consider merging this. smartpm is cool and deserves working default settings :-)03:40
bddebiannictuku: If it's a universe packages, I'll try to take a look after fceu finishes building03:40
nictukubddebian, thank you03:40
nictukuyes it's a universe package03:40
bddebianI'm here to serve! :-)03:41
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=== StevenK looks for MOTU UVF docs.
bddebianEven though crimsun hates me ;-P03:41
Hobbseehehe...poor bddebian03:42
HobbseeStevenK: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2006-February/000545.html03:42
StevenKHobbsee: I found the wiki page about one minute ago. :-P03:44
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Hobbseehehe03:44
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bddebiannictuku: Trying now03:45
bddebianOK fceu sucks03:53
jmgheh03:54
bddebianOK, you folks are killing my Morrowind time03:55
bddebiannictuku: Uploaded03:55
nictuku:-) nice!03:56
bddebiannictuku: I have marked the bug as Fix Committed.  Watch for it and close the bug as Fix Released.  Thanks!03:56
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bddebianuh-oh03:58
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jmghttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenEnabledKernelDraft <- thoughts, comments?03:59
nictukuthere is also bug #26601 but i don't know if the patch applies anymore04:00
UbugtuMalone bug 26601 in bittornado bittornado-gui "btdownloadgui crashes on startup" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/2660104:00
bddebiannictuku: Oh, so now I'm your slave? ;-)04:01
ajmitchbddebian: is that a change from normal?04:02
nictukubddebian, *you* volunteered to be a MOTU :-)04:02
bddebianajmitch: No :-)04:02
nictukuI don't know how the repositories updates work, but now that the change was uploaded, when is it expected to be in the universe? Is there a daily update or so?04:04
imbrandonheya guys who/where do i need to talk to about getting a fubuntu-desktop going, i've get a meta package and respitory foing right now but i'm talking aobut "officialy" ( fubuntu being fluxbox desktop for mini ram mini mhz machines )04:04
bddebiannictuku: Should be there in a couple hours unless the buildds are extremely busy04:04
nictukubddebian, ah ok04:04
nictukujmg, /me likes that spec04:06
bddebiannictuku: Can't touch that one, it's main.  Sorry04:06
nictukuoh04:07
nictukuforgot about that04:07
nictukusorry04:07
jmgimbrandon: Add a spec for edgy on launchpad04:07
jmgimbrandon: and discuss on ubuntu-devel04:08
imbrandonok thanks , just wasent sure what direction to head, that gives me a starting point04:08
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nictukuahmm bddebian said "... and close the bug as Fix Released". It's not the time to close it yet, but I couldnt find the option for fixing/closing/changing status of a bug. do I have access to that?04:19
nictukushould I use reportbug or malone is fine?04:20
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bddebiannictuku: Click on the bug title (package name) hyperlink04:20
bddebianBut I haven't gotten an accepted message yet either?? Hmm04:20
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zakamehi all05:10
imbrandonevening05:10
zakamehello imbrandon05:10
bddebianHeya zakame05:14
zakamehello bddebian05:14
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bddebianwb LaserJock :-)05:35
crimsunbddebian: fix my bugz kthx05:35
bddebiancrimsun: Gimme some, I'll try05:35
crimsunbddebian: take any of them with alsa-lib in the source package :-)05:35
bddebianalsa.. Ugh :-)05:36
crimsun:-)05:36
bddebianGot an example?05:36
crimsunyou could probably search and find one faster than I can load Opera atm05:36
bddebianOK05:37
bddebiancrimsun: Hey, want access to a faster box to build on?05:37
crimsunis it ppc or amd64?05:37
bddebianOh, i386 sorry05:37
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bddebianIf I keep at this Ubuntu thing, I may get one of each though ;-P05:38
crimsuncool :)05:39
crimsunI'm good on ia32, but thanks for offering :)05:39
bddebianI used to have a bunch of PowerBooks but I gave them all away to GNU and Hurd folks :-(05:40
bddebianI've got an old crappy Wallstreet II laying around here somewhere05:40
LaserJockI've got a x86 mac but that doesn't help :(05:46
=== bddebian wants an RS/6000 :-)
LaserJocksometimes I wish I had ordered it a week before05:46
bddebiancrimsun: alsa stuff is going to be main though isn't it?05:50
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crimsunbddebian: yep05:50
bddebianhmm05:51
crimsunmost of the alsa-lib ones are "thinking" options. I'm debating whether to propose a change to src:gnome-control-center so that if the normal name string selector (System> Preferences> Sound> default sound card) doesn't work, it will fall back to using the old Breezy-style index05:53
crimsun(currently alsa-lib accepts both ``asoundconf list'' syntax and the old Breezy-style index)05:54
crimsungranted the new Dapper way is much more flexible, but it fails on some serious cases, whereas the old Breezy-style index always works [but you run the risk of the id changing underneath you when you reboot] 05:55
bddebianAh, hmm05:59
crimsunyeah, "lesser of two evils" deal. The trick is masking it from the user.05:59
bddebianHmm, kinda like voting here in the US ;-P06:00
crimsunheh :p06:01
LaserJockbddebian: what? people vote? ;-)06:02
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bddebianLaserJock: Well, not FOR anything, just against things :-)06:02
Lathiatwe all ok to upload atm?06:16
crimsunyes06:17
bddebianHasn't stopped me. :-)06:21
ajmitchnothing would stop you, bddebian06:22
Lathiatguys - i did somethign before wher ei could view a diff06:22
Lathiathighlighting changes at a sub-line level06:23
Lathiatanyone knwo what it was? :)06:23
ajmitchwdiff06:23
Lathiatah it is wdiff?06:23
Lathiatthat'l show an existing patch?06:23
ajmitchwhen used in conjunction with other stuff, sure06:23
bddebianajmitch: :-)06:23
ajmitchI think debdiff has an option to use wdiff06:23
Lathiathrm06:23
Lathiatyeh06:24
Lathiatmaybe thats what i was doing06:24
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Lathiatis anyone else having issues getting to archive.u.c intermittenly?06:27
Lathiatin fact i seeem to be having intermitten issues to the canonical stuff in general06:28
Lathiatlaunchpad is haibitually timing out too06:28
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bddebianBedtime for Bonzo.  Gnight folks06:42
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keelwhat is that took ubuntu so long until it got a functional installation/live cd? why was it not possible to simply import knoppix technology? (i am not complaining or rhetoricizing, i really am very much interested in understanding what makes such cooperation impossible in the world of open source.)07:22
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franckHi all motu07:42
franckI have two packages I made for mandriva and I'd like to see them included in ubuntu... How to go about that?07:42
franckthe packages do not need compile, it is php script and data07:43
franckthe packages name are tikiwiki and tikiwiki-mapdata they require php4-mapscript which is in universe07:43
crimsunhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUNewSoftware07:43
franckcrimsun: thanks.... tikiwiki is #5 most popular php application as per freshmeat ;)07:46
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dholbachgood morning motu world07:57
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Tm_Tdholbach: nooooooo08:01
=== Tm_T hides
dholbachTm_T: the sun is shining... :-)08:02
Tm_Tdholbach: it is, been shining directly to my monitor last 4 hours08:02
dholbachhmmmm nice08:02
Tm_Tindeed, can't really tell what happens in black spots =)08:03
ajmitchhi dholbach, Tm_T08:05
dholbachafter my last appartment, I enjoy every ray of sun and didn't think of buying blinds yet08:05
dholbachhi ajmitch08:05
Tm_Tajmitch: heya08:06
Tm_Tdholbach: ugh, as soon as I get enough money for laptop and wifi I'll sit out there ircin'08:07
Tm_Tsun is down ~6h in day, but its dark only few night hours08:07
dholbachhaha! Tm_T: good thinking - it's just they're building in front of my house - so no summer love on the balcony yet08:07
Tm_Tand birds... start around 0430 :p08:08
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=== StevenK prods dholbach to look at his UVF exception. :-P
dholbachStevenK: relax08:20
dholbachI'm just going through the unread ones I have. This very moment.08:20
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ajmitchhello StevenK08:21
StevenKdholbach: Heh08:21
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dholbachStevenK: is there a upstream changelog?08:21
dholbachhm, doesnt seem so08:22
StevenKdholbach: Not that I could see, but the upstream version doesn't change.08:22
dholbachoh08:22
dholbachthen you don't need a uvf08:22
dholbach...exception08:22
StevenKI don't?08:22
dholbachno08:22
dholbachUPSTREAM version freeze08:22
dholbachnot DEBIAN version freez :-p08:23
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dholbachjust subscribe ubuntu-archive and get it synced08:23
StevenKSo, I just need to ask for a sync.08:23
dholbachyeah08:23
dholbachand thanks for working that out08:23
StevenKdholbach: Sorry for a being a dill. :-)08:25
dholbachStevenK: not at all08:25
ajmitchStevenK: we won't make fun of you at all ;)08:26
StevenKHeh08:27
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sivangre all08:46
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highvoltagemake love, not war09:04
StevenKIt will always add -fPIC, or never add it. I can't force it to behave how I want it to.09:05
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Tm_Thummm09:25
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adui tried Ubuntu Live today10:05
adu:)10:05
aduit was good10:05
Hobbseeooh fun!10:06
Mithrandirhi Hobbsee10:12
Mithrandirand hi ajmitch10:12
ajmitchhello Mithrandir10:13
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Hobbseebeat you :P10:18
MithrandirHobbsee: I'm still not very tickly. :-)10:18
Hobbsee:(10:18
freeflyingany administrator of revu around ?10:22
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ajmitchfreeflying: what's wrong?10:23
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freeflyingajmitch: transfer error  due to the damn network here , :)10:24
GloubiboulgaHello10:24
ajmitchfreeflying: ok10:25
freeflyingajmitch: please delete the diveintopython-zh on revu, I can not finish upload10:25
freeflyingajmitch: thx10:25
ajmitchdone10:25
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zakamehi all11:45
Gloubiboulgahey zakame :)11:45
zakamehello Gloubiboulga11:46
zakamewhat's up?11:46
Gloubiboulgatoday's the day zakame, I'll apply for MOTUness at today's TB :)11:47
zakameGloubiboulga: woohoo! :D11:48
Gloubiboulga:)11:50
zakameGloubiboulga: I'm not sure if I can attend the TB, I'll sure hope that $DEITY bless $you => $MOTU11:50
Gloubiboulgahehe, thanks11:51
zakamewoohoo LP is down :D12:01
zakameand so am I :D12:02
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Lathiattseng: ping?12:33
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tsengLathiat: pong12:41
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sivangslomo__: ping01:23
sivangslomo__: did you have a chance to look at the freshened package?01:23
\shmoins01:23
sivangmoins \sh , how are you?01:23
\shback at work :) and a burning brain already :)01:24
Gloubiboulgahey \sh01:24
sivang\sh: I heared Advil can do wonders :)01:24
\shsivang: :)) well, I just read a totally cluttered cfengine configuration :) no wonder that I'm feeling terrible :)01:25
ogra\sh, just dont touch cfengine ... its evil01:25
ogra:)01:26
ogrause plain preseeding ;)01:26
\shogra: too late...I'm integrating now cfengine into fai :)01:26
ograeeek01:26
=== ogra would use ubuntus kickstart implementation, its way cleaner :)
ogra... and doesnt use cfengine :)01:27
sivang\sh: heh01:27
\shogra: my order is to install sles9/10 automatically via fai from a debian system :)01:28
ogra*shudder*01:28
ogratell them to use a real OS then ;)01:28
sivangogra: I tried to tell people to do that, but they're still stuck with the notion that SLES/RHEL are enterprise grade distros.01:30
ograheh, yes01:30
\shtbh, the problem is, as long there is no oracle certification of debian or ubuntu, redhat and novell/suse will have the advantages01:31
\shthat's why they are using suse here :(01:31
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sivang\sh: I hope Oracle certification will come promptly :-)01:35
\shsivang: which would be more then cool :)01:36
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ograits pretty likely01:36
sivangindeed. I don't think they will let IBM be there alone for long time01:37
\shdepends, what larry will do about his idea of buying an OS :)01:37
sivanghehe01:37
sivang\sh: this is not official anyways, no?01:38
sivang(his idea of buying an OS etc)01:38
\shsivang: well, his mind is ill, so it can be real in no time... ;)01:38
sivanghehehe01:38
sivang\sh: he should go to another sail around the world and come back well :)01:39
sivangdo you guys have an idea how I can query programtically for file extension which are supposed to be media files, rather then including a hard coded list of those?01:40
sivang(doing that from python, ofcourse)01:40
\shsivang: actually for Oracle an OS is the last coup they can do :)01:40
sivang\sh: it's not like they're in trouble or something..no? why would they need a last coup ?01:43
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\shbecause of MS and RedHat :) .... MS has everything from several OS to databases and application server business applications...redhat has an OS, with jboss also application server for business applications, oracle just has application server, databases and the business applications (like SAP)01:46
siretart\sh: I'm quite comfortable and happy with cfengine201:51
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siretart\sh: we used FAI in the past, but switched to d-i preseeding01:52
\shsiretart: as I said, I don't install d-i based systems...I adjusted fai like this, that it can install any os I like :) right now, it's been a suse rollout :)01:52
\shconfiguration management will be included with cfengine2, directly into fai..so there is only one master console for this stuff01:53
\shmeans, all configuration which is application dependant, not os dependant01:53
siretart\sh: sounds challanging :)01:59
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zulheylo02:34
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vud1hi moe_evil03:11
vud1hi "r" u03:11
moe_evilhi vud1 ;)03:11
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bddebianHeya gang03:37
Hobbseehi bddebian03:37
bddebianHi Hobbsee03:38
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tritiumthanks for your reply, and for forwarding my bug report to the evolution team, dholbach!03:47
zakamehi all03:47
tritiumhi zakame03:47
bddebianHeya zakame, tritium03:47
zakamehi tritium bddebian! :D03:47
VincentMXis it hard to become packager?03:49
VincentMXdo i need a fast pc?03:49
tritiumhi bddebian!03:49
zakameVincentMX: nope, all you need is LOTS of love :)03:50
VincentMXi'ver got that03:50
zakamecoolness, I just helped track an LP bug :)03:50
bddebianAnd time :-)03:50
VincentMXonly i don't hjave lots of people who love me as well03:50
trappistif I assign a bug to the motu reviewers team, it's motu-reviewers@tauware.de in lp?03:50
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bddebianVincentMX: Well you'll fit in fine with me then :-)03:51
zakametrappist: @lists.tauware.de iirc03:51
bddebianI'm well disliked in #ubuntu-devel ;-P03:51
dholbachjust   'motu-reviewers'  is fine too03:51
VincentMXok03:51
zakamelol03:51
trappistdholbach: assignee not found if I do that03:51
viviersfk right03:51
dholbachmotureviewers?03:52
viviersfdoes any1 know if pykde works on dapper by any chance ?03:52
trappistok here, can any motus, especially those running amd64, have a look at bug 41207 ?03:53
UbugtuMalone bug 41207 in libast "Eterm built against libast on amd64 has its buffer filled with garbage" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/4120703:53
Hobbseewhat's the chances of make getting updated for dapper?  this is the changelog http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/cbngtd43.html03:53
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StevenKHobbsee: What bugs does it fix?03:54
HobbseeStevenK: i'm not sure, it's being asked about in #ubuntu - i dont really understand much of the changelog..03:54
StevenKHobbsee: Um. It depends on the case made to the MOTU UVF peoples. I'm not seeing anything in the changelog that is jumping out at me and saying, "Hey! I should be fixed in Dapper."03:56
zulHobbsee: i was going to upload the patch tonight03:57
zakamehmm, probably too late03:57
Hobbseezul: ah okay :)03:57
zakameoh, great then :)03:57
zulzakame: its an amd64 patch for libast03:57
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godrikhi03:57
godriki was asking on #ubuntu for an update of make 3.8.1b4 to make 3.8.103:57
Hobbseegodrik: yes, [23:57]  <zul> Hobbsee: i was going to upload the patch tonight03:57
godrikit seems that the release fixs bugs about function included by all make 3.8.1* like eval function03:57
Hobbseejust found out03:57
godrikthat cool! :)03:58
zakamezul: oh I thought it was for make03:58
godrikit is tonight in the USA ?03:58
zulzakame: noope libast03:58
StevenKgodrik: No, it's the morning.03:58
godrikso the new version of make will be included in 18H (more or less) ?03:59
zakamezul: indeed03:59
zulgodrik: check on #ubuntu-devel i think make is in main03:59
StevenKmake is certainly in main.03:59
StevenKHowever, I doubt it will get included in Dapper.04:00
zakameHobbsee: I don't see a make update coming, there isn't much bugs except malone 3557004:00
UbugtuMalone bug 35570 in make "SEGV in hash set code" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/3557004:00
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zakame2 rejected, 2 fixrel04:00
StevenKThere are a lot of code changes, and nothing I can see that is a real show-stopper, including the eval functions.04:00
godrikthank you04:00
StevenK(I can't see that they've changed at all, given the changelog)04:00
zakamebesides, make is quite a heavy package, from a packager's perspective, since it has its own build system hand-crafted by Manoj04:05
tuxmaniacheya bddebian04:05
bddebianHi tuxmaniac, how's it going?04:06
tuxmaniacbddebian: Seems like the scilab bug has been transferred?04:06
bddebiantuxmaniac: Yes, it's a pango/defoma issue04:07
StevenKzakame: Heh, yes.04:09
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zakameStevenK: and, with the current goings-on, I think touching make wouldn't be such a good idea for now :/04:10
zakameo-oh, speaking of that...04:12
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zakameindeed04:13
tsengI met manoj last year04:14
tsenga real character04:14
bddebianheh04:15
StevenKI wouldn't suggest touching make unless one had to.04:15
StevenKI was so tempted to put "make is my bitch" in a comment in debian/rules earlier today.04:15
Hobbseehehe04:15
zakameI would, however, suggest looking into make, or any Manoj package, for that matter, for the learning experience :)04:15
zakamelol04:15
StevenKifeq ($(DEB_HOST_ARCH), $(findstring $(DEB_HOST_ARCH),$(sort amd64 ia64)))04:16
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bddebianStevenK: :)04:21
bddebianHeya highvoltage04:21
highvoltagehi bddebian!04:21
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highvoltagehow are things?04:21
HobbseeStevenK: sleep's overrated04:22
bddebianDrowning man, you? :-)04:22
ajmitchStevenK: sleep already?04:22
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bddebiancrimsun: Did you say alsa-driver bugs are yours?04:24
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crimsunbddebian: generally, yes. Assign them to the linux-source-2.6.15 source package, no need to assign them to me directly since I'll be subscribed automatically.04:39
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zakamewb everyone05:12
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slomo__sivang: pong?05:13
bddebianHeya slomo__05:14
slomo__bddebian: hi :)05:14
zakamegn8 all! :D05:14
bddebianAck, why do #u-devel hate me.. :'-(05:16
bddebians/do/does/05:16
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slomo__bddebian: nobody hates you05:18
bddebianslomo__: Yes they do.  I'm an irritant :-)05:18
sivangslomo__: hey :)05:21
sivangbddebian: because you break stuff ? ;-)05:21
sivang</humor>05:21
bddebian:-)05:21
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trappistbefore I say something in #-devel I try to formulate my statement carefully, run it by a few peers and proofreaders, ensure syntactical and political correctness, and have the statement blessed by a priest and a rabbi05:26
slomo__trappist: as long as everybody understands what the reporter wants to say :)05:26
trappistbut if I wanna say something in #c I'm *really* careful.05:28
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sivangslomo__: had any chance to review my freshly uploaded package?05:39
slomo__sivang: i'll do it after poking a bit at tomboy :) are will you be away in some minutes?05:40
bddebianlibguichan0 is broken?05:40
jpatricksivang: I could, if you want05:40
slomo__sivang: what was the problem with intltool btw?05:42
bddebianWTH is xlibmesa-gl-dev these days?05:43
bddebianOh, shoot, "lunch meeting" :-(05:45
sivangslomo__: build does not exist at some points of the invocation05:45
sivangslomo__: mvo confirmed it and it can be safely ignored05:45
sivangjpatrick: feel free, search for upbackup on revu05:45
sivangjpatrick: I will thank you05:45
sivangslomo__: I will be away in some mintues, going to fetch something to eat and heading home05:45
slomo__sivang: ok, you'll get my advocation later probably :)05:46
sivangslomo__: well, when I reach home in about an hour I can ping you back05:47
slomo__sivang: ok :)05:47
sivangjpatrick: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=230505:47
sivangslomo__: cool05:47
jpatricksivang: running revu-report now05:48
sivangjpatrick: cool, thanks05:50
jpatrickdone now05:50
slomo__sivang: ok, looking at it now :)05:50
slomo__sivang: http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/upbackup-0604241910/upbackup_0.0.1_all.lintian please fix05:51
slomo__dpkg-source: error: file upbackup_0.0.1.tar.gz has size 40190 instead of expected 4021505:52
slomo__hmm05:52
sivanghuh?05:52
sivanghow come we didn't see this yesterday?05:52
slomo__i guess you didn't run lintian on the binary package but only on the source package05:52
sivangokay, I will remove the shebangs form those:05:53
sivang: upbackup: script-not-executable ./usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/UPBackup/GUI/upbackup.py05:53
sivangW: upbackup: script-not-executable ./usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/UPBackup/GUI/uprestore.py05:53
sivangsince they are not menat to be executed05:53
sivangand will dechmod 755 __init__.py05:53
sivangsorry, that is not chmod +x on __init__.py05:54
slomo__let's hope the broken tarball is fixed after uploading the new version ;)05:55
sivangoh, man, I can't upload to revu here, as I don't have my kkey05:56
sivangI will have to go home and fix it from there, or are you willing to review outside to revu?05:57
slomo__i don't really care ;)05:57
sivangokay, so I will let you fetch it from the alternative location05:57
sivangand will fix this now quickly , okay?05:58
slomo__sure05:58
sivangW: There is no debian/watch in this package. Although this is not compulsory, it helps maintaining the package properly.06:04
sivangheh, it thinks this is not a native pakcage :)06:04
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slomo__sivang: linda?06:07
sivangslomo__: not sure, it's in http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/upbackup-0604241910/revu-orig.report06:08
sivangslomo__: anyway, new package is up06:08
sivangslomo__: http://mercury.linuxguru.net/~sivan/HUB/06:08
slomo__sivang: maybe the script creating it is broken... native pacakges can't include a watch file... it would be pointless06:08
hubsomeone call me?06:08
slomo__poor hub06:08
sivangslomo__: at least the package name is upbackup, but in any case I need to change it to hubackup06:09
slomo__sivang: so better change this before we upload anything ;)06:10
sivangslomo__: hmm06:10
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sivang;-)06:11
sivanghmm, actually probably only in contorl file no?06:11
slomo__sivang: control and changelog, maybe copyright... and everywhere else in your sources,etc where you use the old name ;)06:12
sivangslomo__: I am not going to chagne it in the sources, it will stay UPBackup as the python package name06:12
sivangslomo__: maybe for next release :) it might have a different name anyhow06:13
sivangslomo__: anyway, how do we stand wrt packaging quality now?06:13
slomo__well06:14
slomo__whiprush: upbackup: script-not-executable ./usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/UPBackup/GUI/upbackup.py06:14
slomo__whiprush: upbackup: script-not-executable ./usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/UPBackup/GUI/uprestore.py06:14
slomo__whiprush: upbackup: executable-not-elf-or-script ./usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/UPBackup/backend/__init__.py06:14
slomo__damn, sorry whiprush :(06:14
slomo__other than that the package is perfect06:15
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sivangslomo__: weird, I just removed all the shebang lines from up*.py06:15
sivangslomo__: and do not chmod +x on *.py anymore, but rather06:15
sivangah!06:15
sivangdamn06:16
sivangi bzr branch to buikld,06:16
sivangand forgot to commit the changes06:16
slomo__hehe06:17
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sivangslomo__: okay, try again ( I won't paste again to not bug h u b )06:20
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=== slomo__ builds
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sivangsladen: yay, you're back :)06:23
sivangsladen: and muse as well :)06:23
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sladenbroken terminal server and a fsck question06:24
sivangsladen: ah, I see. so it just hung and waited for response06:24
sivangpoor muse06:24
sladenyes, 4 days of hell for a few people06:25
jpatrickhi sladen06:25
sivangslomo__: okay, okay, what broke this time? :-) (taking by the time it takes you to respond)06:25
slomo__sivang: oh, i was writing a mail and didn't notice that the build finished, sorry ;)06:25
=== sivang shivers :-)
=== sivang waits for lots of errors and problems
slomo__sivang: the package is perfect now... upload this to revu later, ping me, get someone else to review and then it could be uploaded :)06:26
sivangslomo__: yay thanks06:26
sivangjpatrick: you're up?06:26
sivangslomo__: must I go through revu before it uploaded to universe?06:27
jpatricksivang: ok, I'm on it06:27
slomo__sivang: well... if we get this reviewed here by two motu it is fine too :)06:27
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sivangslomo__: cool :)06:28
sivangslomo__ , jpatrick : anyway, I'm out , let me know if it got uploaded :)06:29
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jpatrickok06:30
slomo__jpatrick: ok so ping me when you finished the review :)06:30
slomo__jpatrick: or just upload it06:30
sivangah , that's better06:31
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sivanganyway, now out for real. laters dudes, and thanks alot!06:31
slomo__sivang: wasn't this a dapper goal btw?06:31
slomo__ok, bye bye :)06:31
jpatrickslomo__: doing so06:34
jpatrickslomo__, sivang: ok done06:37
slomo__jpatrick: uploaded?06:37
jpatrickyes06:37
slomo__cool, thanks06:38
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LaserJocktuxmaniac: ping?07:24
tuxmaniacLaserJock: pong07:24
LaserJocktuxmaniac: what are you doing with xcircuit?07:25
tuxmaniacLaserJock: Why? there had been a upstream release!07:25
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tuxmaniacLaserJock: And I upgraded the package!07:26
tuxmaniacLaserJock: Why anything wrong?07:26
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LaserJocktuxmaniac: no, I wasn't mad, I just say bug #6266 was assigned to you and it was "in progress"07:27
UbugtuMalone bug 6266 in xcircuit "xcircuit version is old" [Normal,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/626607:27
tuxmaniacLaserJock: It has been uploaded07:27
tuxmaniacLaserJock: To revu for review!07:27
LaserJockahh, ok. URL?07:27
tuxmaniacLaserJock: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=230207:28
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LaserJockhi raphink07:31
raphinkhi07:31
caravenaraphink: hi07:32
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G0SUBLaserJock: hello!07:37
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Tonio_raphink: je viens finalement ;)07:38
raphinkquand ?07:38
LaserJockG0SUB: hi!07:39
G0SUBLaserJock: how are you?07:39
G0SUBLaserJock: I am stuck up with exams here :(07:39
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LaserJockG0SUB: I'm busy, busy, busy :-)07:40
LaserJockG0SUB: btw, I just added tuxmaniac to MOTUScience07:40
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G0SUBLaserJock: excellent. he is very enthusiastic about electronics packages07:41
bddebianLaserJock: Nice07:42
LaserJockunfortunately, I feel like I should remove a couple people though :/07:42
LaserJockor something07:42
bddebianLaserJock: Oh, you going to remove me are you? ;-P07:43
tritiumLaserJock: :(07:43
LaserJockbddebian: I can't remove you. you haven't even joined :-)07:43
bddebian:-)07:43
LaserJocktritium: not you ;-)07:43
tritiumLaserJock: Oh, thanks ;)07:43
LaserJockmaybe I just need to get the other members pumped up07:44
G0SUBLaserJock: then who? /me ?07:44
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LaserJockG0SUB: no07:44
bddebianGo LaserJock go07:45
LaserJockthe thing is, I was thinking of taking a Ubuntu leave of absence after today07:46
bddebianWHAT07:46
bddebian??07:46
G0SUBLaserJock: for how many days?07:47
LaserJockwell, my PhD has sort of been delayed and I have a lot to take care of at home07:47
bddebianStupid fscking shlib deps07:48
tuxmaniacheya bddebian ! am back07:49
bddebian:-)07:50
LaserJockI think what I might do is go away from IRC for a bit07:50
tritiumLaserJock: nobody can blame a guy for trying to finish his degree on time :)07:53
LaserJocktritium: well, the big problem is that my wife really needs to be in a different state, and I feel bad for holding her back as long as I am07:54
tritiumLaserJock: I can relate to that as well.  You need to do what's best for your wife and your self.07:57
LaserJockanyway, IRC seems to be a real time sink for me. I like helping people out, but I just don't get any real work done07:57
LaserJockso after today I'm going to try to minimize my IRC time and use email more for communication07:58
LaserJockI think that should also get ubuntu-science a little more pumped up :-)07:58
bddebianLaserJock: Bah, come on man, just drop out.. ;-P07:58
azeemLaserJock: :-/07:58
LaserJockbddebian: I've been doing this for 8 straight year (not even a summer off), it is too late to stop now :-)07:58
truz24LaserJock, so if your wife needs to be in a different state, you're moving?07:58
bddebianLaserJock: I'm kidding man07:59
LaserJocktruz24: no, I'm trying to finish my PhD as fast  as I can07:59
LaserJocktruz24: so then we can move07:59
truz24You can't finish your phd in the new state?07:59
tritiumLaserJock: who's your advisor, so we can send him gifts?08:00
truz24(not sure if phd credits are transferrable)08:00
LaserJocktruz24: well, that would take longer, I'd have to apply to a new university, etc.08:00
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truz24I see.08:00
truz24So are you looking to teach?08:00
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tritiumLaserJock: gifts of persuasion for him to let you finish up ;)08:00
LaserJockanyway, I mean I'm not talking anything radical, but since UVF I've been doing about 10hr/day on Ubuntu08:01
LaserJockcutting back to 1-2 hr/day would really help08:01
LaserJocktruz24: I'd like to08:02
truz24UVF?08:02
LaserJockJanuary 19th I believe08:02
LaserJockUpstream Version Freeze08:02
azeemLaserJock: man, that's crazy08:02
tritiumLaserJock: how do you get _any_ research done?08:03
LaserJocktritium: well, that's my point08:03
tritiumLaserJock: a year ago this time, I did the same thing you're contemplating so I could finish up.08:04
bddebianLaserJock: And tritium hasn't been the same since ;-P08:04
tritiumbddebian: sadly, you're right :(08:04
bddebianI can't talk.  I had to duck for a few months because of work so.. :-(08:05
LaserJockwell, now that the Ubuntu Packaging Guide is done it is a little better (although people are starting up for the Edgy docs already)08:05
LaserJockbut I've spread myself out so thin I can't get much of anything done08:05
LaserJockwithout spending insane hours on it08:05
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=== bddebian too
LaserJockso I'm going to try to schedule my Ubuntu work, something like (1 hr MOTUScience, 1/2 hr Doc team, 1/2 hr other stuff)08:07
LaserJockthat way, I can only spend 2 hrs/day on Ubuntu and I hope I can still get something done08:07
azeem(unless you stay on irc...) ;)08:07
LaserJockazeem: exactly08:08
LaserJockI'm an Ubuntu-aholic for sure08:08
tritiumThis is not good, having no alarms/notifications for calendar items on my Exchange account in evo...08:11
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=== tritium goes back to work...
LaserJocktuxmaniac: btw, ubuntu-science us subscribed to all the MOTUScience bugs and bug on any MOTUScience package08:19
LaserJocks/us/is/08:19
tuxmaniacLaserJock: Ok08:19
tuxmaniacLaserJock: thanks.. I had a very tough time finding Science Packages related info! I should have joined the mailing list sometime back.. But neverthless not too late!08:23
bddebiantuxmaniac: New sear from Debian is unbuildable :-(08:25
tuxmaniacbddebian: Ugh! Maybe thats the reason why the package was not upgrade :P08:25
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bddebiantuxmaniac: Yeah.  Well libguichan0 was broken but I fixed that.  But we don't have new enough versions of libires and libvarconf :-(08:26
tuxmaniacbddebian: How is such situations generally handled?08:26
bddebianNeed sync/merge requests for the new libires and libvarconf from Debian08:27
crimsunif you need newer versions of libires and libvarconf to make sear buildable, make it so08:27
bddebiancrimsun: Me?08:27
crimsunsure, why not?08:27
bddebianWhat the hell am I the one man bugfixing machine?? ;-P08:28
crimsunduh08:28
tuxmaniacUbuntu turns to the best when something is needed and bddebian is the best at this :) Cmon!08:28
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=== tuxmaniac has got loads of work at office tomorrow + a conf with germany.
=== tuxmaniac leaving to sleep tight!
tuxmaniacBye all08:30
crimsun'night08:30
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bddebiangah08:32
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phanatichi people08:39
bddebianHeya phanatic08:39
phanatichey bddebian, Gloubiboulga, raphink :)08:40
raphinkhi phanatic08:40
Gloubiboulgahi phanatic :)08:40
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sivangre08:50
sivanghi all08:50
sivangslomo__: ping, was it uploaded?08:50
slomo__yes08:50
sivangyay!08:50
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slomo__:)08:51
sivangofcourse I need to work on more packages, and not only those I created ;-)08:51
bddebianwb sivang08:53
sivanghey bddebian08:53
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bddebiansivang: Awesome, congrats08:55
sivangbddebian: :)08:57
sivangbddebian: I see you dealing with some merge bugs, are mergers still ongoing?08:57
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bddebianI don't know, I'm just trying to fix shit :-(08:58
wasabiHeh. So I have no idea where buildd logs are now.08:58
ograwasabi, LP08:59
wasabiYeah, figured that.08:59
wasabiIt have a nifty-cool new name?09:00
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wasabiFound soyez...09:00
wasabiAhh found the launchpad-buildd09:02
wasabiA hint woudl help. ;)09:03
wasabiWiki will help! yay09:04
LaserJockwasabi: anybody can make a wiki page, *hint* ;-)09:04
bddebianheh09:04
wasabiHeh. Wiki points to lamonts stuff still.09:05
wasabioooh. Launchpad is neat.09:06
bddebianSometimes :-)09:08
LaserJockI really wish they would do some documentation09:09
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sivangslomo__: can you plesae check if it's in the archive? I can't see it, and glaztor couldn't as well, maybe it didn't ge tout of new?09:14
slomo__sivang: it's in NEW and will stay there until someone looks at it... and when it's accepted it will be on dapper-changes09:15
ograususally Kamion and infinity process NEW ... infinity is ill09:16
LaserJockmy last NEW went through today and it took 4 days, if that is any help09:18
bddebianWhat would we need for tuxmaniacs new xcirciut?  Is that a UVF exception?  It would be jumping Debian09:21
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LaserJockhi \sh09:33
\shmoins motus :)09:34
sivangslomo__: If I create a subsequent version with fixes, can it be uploaded then and be proccessed instead of the previous NEWd pkg?09:34
slomo__sivang: yes09:34
bddebianHeya \sh09:35
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ryu1109:53
bddebian1209:57
LaserJock13, unlucky me :(09:58
bddebianheh09:59
bddebianI thought you were going to study or some shit? ;-P09:59
LaserJocklunch break10:00
LaserJock:-)10:00
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\shgood night motus :) cu tomorrow :)10:52
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lifelessmorning all11:07
bddebianHeya lifeless11:07
Gloubiboulgacongrats lifeless :)11:07
bddebian?11:07
ograbddebian, he's a MOTU since some minutes11:08
dholbachcongratulations new MOTUs!11:08
Gloubiboulgathanks again dholbach :)11:09
bddebianOh shit, did I miss a meeting?11:10
bddebianw00t, congrats lifeless11:10
bddebianGloubiboulga: You too?11:11
ograyep :)11:11
Gloubiboulgabddebian, yes :)11:11
bddebianOh, awesome, congrats Gloubiboulga11:12
Gloubiboulgathanks bddebian11:12
lifelessbddebian: thanks11:13
lifelessthanks Gloubiboulga and congrats too11:13
Gloubiboulgathanks lifeless11:14
bddebianNow, both of you get to work :-)11:14
Gloubiboulgasir yes sir !11:14
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ajmitchlifeless: good work11:32
jmgrevu is broken, i cant retreive my password11:33
jmgonce decrypted the password given by revu is "None"11:33
ajmitchhave you uploaded a package there yet that got accepted?11:34
jmgajmitch: no because i cant login :)11:35
ajmitchum11:35
ajmitchyou upload first, and then login11:35
jmgoh ok11:35
jmgthat's not clear at all, since there is no upload option on the front page11:36
ajmitchthat's because you don't upload anything via the web interface11:36
ajmitchsince that would be crackful11:36
ajmitchsue dput11:36
bddebianheh11:36
ajmitchuse dput, that is11:36
ajmitchall on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU11:37
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lifelessajmitch: :)11:40
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bddebianLater MOTUs11:46
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dholbachnight guys11:59
jmguploading now12:00
jmggah12:00
jmgmissed him12:00

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