HedgeMageokay folks, really dumb question: how do I take screen shots during the install, and where are they found once I've taken them?  (for the install chapter I'm working on)01:01
ograyou'll need a vm01:08
ograqemu or vmware01:08
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HedgeMagehaven't done that before, but I'm sure I can figure it out01:09
ograqemu is a major PITA ....01:10
ograplan several hours for one install to finish (if you have a fast machine as host)01:10
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HedgeMageoh fun01:11
ograbut you can take highvolatges shots, they are fine 01:12
HedgeMagethat'll save quite a bit of time01:13
HedgeMagebe back later... have errands to run01:13
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ograplease ignore the resolution screenshot01:13
ograthat only happens if your monitor has a broken bios01:13
ograand admin as the admin username might also lead to problems 01:14
ograthe default sudoers group is called admin ... might have unpredictable side effects (even it *shouldnt* but you never know)01:15
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HedgeMageI'll walk through an install on a spare box when I have time, write the doc, then test it with the newbie friend I mentioned :)01:16
HedgeMageanyhow, I need a shower, then I'm out of here 01:16
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ograthe initial CD bootscreen will change as well ... the server menuoption will disappear or get renamed01:16
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no_no_nocan anyone point me to a really really basic walkthrough? for setting up edubuntu in a lab?06:38
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no_no_noanyone here can help?06:39
crimsunask in four hours.06:41
crimsunno, I'm serious. More people in EU will be awake.06:41
no_no_noahh okay06:41
Ekusheyno_no_no: what exactly do u want to know?06:42
no_no_noim trying to set up edubuntu clients06:42
no_no_noive followed these directions on the server06:42
no_no_nonow im trying to figure out how to get the clients to boot off it.. if they cant network boot06:43
no_no_noi nee to put something on a floppy and put it on the HD06:43
no_no_noand so i have this : 06:43
no_no_nobut im lost...06:44
no_no_noim at rom-o-matic and it wants me to choose an NIC/ROM type! omg06:44
no_no_nowhat **IS** this?06:44
no_no_noit say:06:48
no_no_no#  Load the linux kernel into the memory of the workstation. This can be done several different ways, including:06:48
no_no_no   1. Bootrom (Etherboot,PXE,MBA,Netboot)06:48
no_no_no   2. Floppy06:48
no_no_no   3. Hard disk06:48
no_no_no   4. CD-ROM06:48
no_no_no   5. USB Memory device06:48
no_no_no i wanna put it on the HD.06:48
no_no_noand then it say:06:49
no_no_no# Hard disk06:49
no_no_noThe hard disk can be used with LILO or GRUB, to load the Linux kernel and initrd. OR, you can load the Etherboot bootrom image from the hard disk, and it will act like a bootrom.06:49
Ekusheyno_no_no: why r u using the live cd?06:59
no_no_noim not.07:02
no_no_noi found help07:02
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aaron__anyone here can help?08:58
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lucasvoaaron__: ask a specific question, please09:32
aaron__im trying to get edubuntu to  work .. im booting from PXE and theres an error 17 with grub09:34
lucasvowhat's error 17?09:35
lucasvowhat does it say?09:35
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lucasvohi cbx33 !09:35
cbx33hi lucasvo 09:35
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noodlemani keep getting a "killed" message repeating when i install anyone know why?10:41
cbx33did give us a chance to answer10:51
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lucasvoogra: is there already a spec on how to implement localdevices on ltsp?11:16
lucasvoe.g. usb storage11:16
ogralucasvo, nope, as i said yesterday11:16
lucasvowhen did you  say that?11:17
cbx33ogra: good morning11:18
cbx33has someone mentioned about the ltsp boot splash still saying ubuntu and not edubuntu?11:18
cbx33is this something that will be changed11:18
ogracbx33, i'd like to, i'm not sure if its to intrusive11:18
ogralucasvo, yesterday, before jono cam in i think11:19
cbx33ogra: do you know how the authentication works in ltsp?11:21
cbx33when you log in11:21
cbx33I'm a little confused, how much is stored in the ltsp root11:25
cbx33if I install something on the main machine....it still turns up in the ltsp root11:25
cbx33does that make sense11:26
lucasvocbx33: how do you mean that?11:26
cbx33well I was logged on last night....after it had finished installing11:26
cbx33and I installed xchat11:26
cbx33now when i log on as a client i have access to that 11:26
cbx33i thought I had to chroot into the ltsp root to install software there?11:27
lucasvocbx33: thats the reason why one should use thin clients11:27
lucasvothe applications are installed und executed on the server11:27
cbx33that's why I'm confused.....what does the ltsp root actually do then11:27
cbx33if I can install apps as normal11:28
lucasvothe client is only a minimal system with X-server which connnects over an ssh tunnel to the server11:28
cbx33right i see11:28
cbx33so the ltsp root is just that to run the X-client11:28
ograimagine the thin client as mouse/keyboard/monitor extension of the server, nothing more11:31
lucasvocbx33: you know the X system with server/client?11:32
lucasvoX-client is on the server11:33
lucasvoX-server is on the client11:33
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pips1is there a browsable listing of universe packages of dapper on the web somewhere?11:41
pips1i.e. similar to the browsable debian package web pages...11:42
ograpackages.ubuntu.com you mean ? 11:43
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pips1ogra, thanks, that's what i was looking for... but it doesn't list dapper packages yet?11:50
ograthey only list releases11:50
pips1how can I check which version of a certain package will be in dapper-universe?11:51
ograyou cant11:54
ograit might still get updated11:54
ogra(thats why packages.u.c only has released versions)11:55
pips1ogra, but I guess I could browse the packages from within a dapper beta live cd, no?11:58
pips1in synaptic11:59
pips1(I don't currently have that cd here...)12:00
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ograbut that still wont tell you if we update a package the next 5 weeks or not :)12:02
cbx33ogra: got that fix for me to test with the clock skew yet?12:09
cbx33and were those updates ok?12:10
ogracbx33, nope, that has to wait ...12:10
ograthey started building a beta212:10
cbx33crikey, ok.......12:10
cbx33same for the updates?12:10
cbx33need a hand with anything?12:11
cbx33is it a known bug in breezy OO that you can't print off from a .doc or a .rtf, but you can from a .odt ??12:16
ograit needs testing indeed :)12:16
cbx33as soon as I resave a file I can print it12:16
ograno idea, i rarely use ooo12:17
ogra(i dont even keep it installed)12:17
cbx33well, working in a school it's kind of a must for me: :p12:17
ograits a space hog ...12:17
cbx33indeed it is12:17
ograi need the space for development usually :)12:17
cbx33but for some a necessary space hog12:18
cbx33I'll be available to test whenever you need it12:19
cbx33and anything else you can throw at me.....12:20
ograwill still take some hours until the first isos are ready12:22
cbx33ogra: seems like you never get a rest :p12:28
cbx33why the wuick turnaround?12:28
ograthere is an evil bug in the liveCD installer that wipes your partition table in certain situations12:30
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cbx33I'm glad I did't try that out12:30
cbx33but my VM wouldn't have minded :p12:31
cbx33ogra: you gonna be able to make the meeting?12:39
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ograsorry, capslock freked out12:52
blugtuhi ogra :)12:53
blugtuim bluekuja^^12:53
blugtuhi cbx3312:54
cbx33how do we know that blugtu :p12:54
cbx33you could be an evil imposter :p12:54
cbx33Bluekuja never laughs like that12:55
cbx33ogra: can you remove the oik please :p12:55
blugtuif you want i can talk in italian 12:55
blugtuhehe :)12:55
ograoik ? 12:55
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cbx33how does urchin grab you12:56
blugtuoliver meeting at 2 o'clock?12:56
blugtupete how is going with the channel?12:57
cbx33good, I announced it today, every was very thankful12:57
cbx33but i forgot to setup CGIIRC so I can get in there12:58
blugtulater ill create you 12:58
blugtuthe radio channel12:58
cbx33thank you12:58
blugtunp man12:58
blugtuyou're welcome12:58
cbx33we almost have a preview episode ready :D12:58
blugtupete you didnt believe me before?12:58
cbx33ahhhh maybe I do now12:59
blugtuhehe yes12:59
blugtuim away from home12:59
cbx33or maybe some has hacked your network and was readying our conversations yesterday12:59
blugtuno there are 12:59
blugtua lot of security12:59
blugtupete 1 hour for te meeting?01:00
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cbx33I love meetings :D01:01
cbx33standard agenda01:01
blugtuoh okie01:01
blugtui go to eat 01:01
blugtui just finished01:01
blugtusee you later01:01
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cbx33hi highvoltage 01:13
blugtuhey highvoltage01:15
blugtugood morning/afternoon ^^01:15
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JaneW**REMINDER** Edubuntu Update meeting in 20 mins in #ubuntu-meeting01:41
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blugtuJaneW ,which are agenda items?01:44
ograblugtu, same as always ...01:45
highvoltagehi blugtu / cbx33 01:45
blugtuperfect oliver01:45
blugtuhi jon01:45
ogranot perfect :)01:45
ograwe'll need to change that01:45
highvoltageah, blugtu = bluekaja?01:45
blugtuyep jon im bluekuja01:45
blugtuyes ogra ,an edubuntu agenda would be nice01:46
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ograblugtu, yes, but the static agenda was sufficient for the last 7 months ...01:46
blugtutep thats true01:47
blugtuhighvoltage : drupal translation is no more needed?01:48
highvoltageblugtu: it's needed, we just don't have the infrastructure :/01:48
blugtuoh okie01:48
blugtuit will be available soon ?01:48
ograis LP account management in place already ?01:48
blugtuor in the next future?01:49
blugtuim alwais ready for that , so jon just ask me when its available ,01:49
highvoltageblugtu: hedgemadge knows someone who's working on something, apparently the newer version of drupal will have better translations support. worst case scenario, we do something manual and hacky.01:49
blugtuin LP01:49
cbx33ogra: there's a slight bug in ltsp01:50
blugtuok then01:50
highvoltageblugtu: although, if you want to manually start translating some pages, go ahead01:50
cbx33but it could be intentional01:50
highvoltageblugtu: we could consider having an it.edubuntu.org, or something similar01:50
blugtuok perfect01:50
ogracbx33, ?01:50
blugtuwiki space will be on ubuntu-it.org website01:50
cbx33the ltsp client splash screen is ubuntu not edubuntu01:50
cbx33but thereis the theme available01:50
blugtualso mailing list01:50
cbx33the symlink is wrong01:51
cbx33it's a simple symlink change01:51
cbx33want me to investigate?01:51
ograits not01:51
ograi know the problewm01:51
highvoltagecbx33: ogra knows what needs to happen, and how it needs to happen :)01:51
ograwe talked about it before01:51
cbx33oh right....my apologies01:52
blugtuhighvoltage: we are setting up all things to put something online ,initially there will be a link in the homepage, that will go to edubuntu space with some basic informations, next ill translate getting started space for ogra01:52
ograedubuntu-artwork-usplash isnt installed in the chroot01:52
cbx33i just did a simple fix by modifying the /etc/alternatives/ldm-theme symlink01:52
cbx33ah i see01:52
ograthats something different01:52
blugtuogra: how is going with the getting started page?01:53
cbx33that's what i meant.....the login screen01:53
ograindeed thats trivial, but a symlink is wrong, you broke it ;)01:53
blugtualmost done01:53
ogrause update-alternatives ldm-theme in the chroot01:53
cbx33i wanted to customise it for our school01:53
cbx33will do...01:53
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ograno need to wiki that01:54
ograedubuntu-artwork will care for it01:54
cbx33ah ok01:54
blugtuogra: ?01:54
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ogracbx33, nah, you cant know my todo list :)01:55
blugtuogra: is the getting started page done and rdy for translations?01:56
ograblugtu, nope01:57
blugtuokie, just ping me when its done01:57
cbx33i used the update alternatives and ....now ....it ...died02:03
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cbx33https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/ltsp-server/+bug/32066 - ogra is this to be closed now appears to be solved02:49
ogranot yet02:49
ograyes, this one can be closed02:50
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ograi thought you pointed to the time shift one02:50
ograyay our first candidate on the page !03:01
cbx33I aim to please03:01
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cbx33ogra: I uploaded my hackergotchi :p03:01
ograhey sfllaw 03:01
sfllawSo I read the tail end of your meeting.03:01
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ograheh, nice haircut :)03:02
cbx33tony from hantslug constantly ribs me about it03:02
cbx33I'm not as handsome as you though ogra 03:03
ograbah, indeed you are 03:03
sfllawAnd it occurs to me that I should get a feel for how you guys handle bugs.03:03
ograsfllaw, not at all until you came 03:04
ograedubuntu bugs were my private pleasure03:04
sfllawWhat constitutes an Edubuntu bug?03:04
ograwith you appearing on the scene we created the edubuntu bugsquad03:04
sfllawSo, like on Monday?03:05
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sfllawI only found out about BugSquads then too.03:05
ograthe app is a dependency of edubuntu-dekto or edubuntu-server and not in ubuntu 03:05
ograso things like gcompris, kdeedu and the tux4kids apps ... as well as kino, blender and scibus 03:05
ograit think thats it already03:05
ografor ltsp bugs it depends if its install related (edubuntu) or in any other area of ltsp (ubuntu)03:06
cbx33ogra: know if ardour is in ubuntu univser?03:06
sfllawWait a second, gcompris is in optional.03:06
ogradoesnt matter03:06
ograwe dont change the debian sections03:07
sfllawSo the "not in Ubuntu" is not particularly important.03:07
ogracbx33, ardour-gtk ?03:07
ograsfllaw, nope03:07
ograedubuntu-{desktop, server} is what counts03:07
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sfllawAll right.03:08
ograsfllaw, http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/seeds/edubuntu-dapper/desktop03:08
ogralook for "= EduBuntu specific Software ="03:08
ograthe list below counts03:08
ograand http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/seeds/edubuntu-dapper/server03:09
ogra(apart from ltsp, which is ubuntu, but including ltsp installer bugs which is specific for edubuntu)03:10
sfllawAll right.  Thanks!03:10
ograsfllaw, https://launchpad.net/people/edubuntu-bugs is the bugsquad you can subscribe to these bugs03:11
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sfllawogra: And this group of people _fix_ bugs?03:12
zakamehi all03:12
ograsfllaw, the _triage_ bugs03:12
ograin the end i mostly fix them03:13
sfllawOK.  The team description's a little misleading.03:13
highvoltagejust got an update from znarl, he said the proto to www update will take place tomorrow morning, 9UTC03:13
ograedubuntu is a bit lacking in developer power, it just starts getting better03:13
highvoltageJaneW: ^^^03:13
cbx33ogra: I'll be helping as soon as I learn enough03:13
ograsfllaw, future target is that this group does whats described there03:14
sfllawogra: Do you mind touching it up so people won't get confused?  See https://launchpad.net/people/bugsquad for an example?03:14
cbx33do you need any of these bugs confirming, or need more information?03:14
sfllawWell, let's not count our chickens before they hatch.03:14
lucasvohighvoltage: btw, in safari the page doesn't go over 100% widht, is that meant ot be like this?03:14
JaneWhighvoltage: cool, I'll be on standby for the countdown :)03:15
ograsfllaw, updates03:16
ograsfllaw, updated03:16
cbx33highvoltage: is the search feature going to work when the update happens?03:16
sfllawogra: Excellent!  You rock.03:16
cbx33ogra: do you need any of the edubuntu bugs confirming, or need more information?03:16
JaneWogra: I showed some artwork samples to independent ppl as in the meeting03:16
JaneWhere's the response03:17
JaneWRaven i like the chalk one03:17
JaneWRaven but mostly cos i think the other would be insulting to people older than 003:17
JaneWRaven 1003:17
JaneWNuffing Raven: target age of 6-1003:17
ogracbx33, the open ones are all on my radar ... find the ones that arent assigned to edubuntu yet03:17
JaneWRaven nods, 6-10s might like something less boring03:17
JaneWNuffing Raven: I agree03:17
ograJaneW, which is "the other one" ?03:17
JaneWI showed him the children of edubuntu as the other03:18
JaneWand asked which was better03:18
ograbut thats not compareable03:18
JaneWas an adult he said chalkboard as the best of 2 bad choices03:18
JaneWand then conceded that it's too boring for kids03:18
ograyou should rather have showed him/her the yellow neutral one 03:19
ograor the marbles03:19
JaneWyes, I'll do that03:19
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JaneWvery nice ^^^03:31
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JaneWshould I asked him to say edu BOON TOO instead of BUN tu03:32
ograbah, flash03:32
JaneWyes, unfortunately ...03:32
ogracant people use a format i can view ? 03:33
cbx33oh dear03:34
JaneWit's very well done03:42
pips1edu BUN tu ... LOL03:45
JaneWall North Americans insist on say You BUN to03:45
JaneWit;s very funny03:45
pips1nice flash movie, though03:45
JaneWbut then I have grown up with the real pronounciation, so maybe that's why it's funny to me.03:46
JaneWyes it's great03:46
pips1his North American pronunciation is quite pronounced :-)03:49
JaneWactually he says ed a bun too03:50
ograeat a bun too ?03:51
cbx33are you a bun too03:51
cbx33say the members of youthlug03:51
cbx33ogra: how are you edfinied edubuntu bugs that are assigned to edubuntu...ones that are speficically assigned to you?04:02
ograthe ones that are assigned to me already are fine as they are 04:03
cbx33so any that are not assigned to you you are not aware of?04:03
ograsee my description for sfllaw above04:03
ograi'm subscribed to packages like ltsp, where i often forget to assign them to me04:04
ograbut work on them04:04
cbx33i was gonna do a quick scan for edubuntu bugs and assign them if they seem relevant04:04
ograthis subscription function in malone is pretty evil04:04
ograbecause you tend to forget to assign the bugs04:04
ograthats great :)04:05
lucasvowhy do you use a win98 theme for the "Loading Kernel" on the Desktop CD?04:09
lucasvoyup, when you press "Start Edubuntu" a dialog with blue titlebar, grey background and blue status bar appears04:10
ograthats hardcoded in gfxboot04:10
ograyou only see it for ~3 seconds04:10
lucasvoogra: is there a wiki page on testing the beta cd?04:10
lucasvohm, I thought I have seen one.04:11
cbx33ogra: assigned a few bugs to you04:11
cbx33marked one as a duplicate04:11
ograplease assign them to the edubuntu-bugs team in the future04:12
ograin case i get hit by a bus at least other people know about them04:12
cbx33sorry ogra I can go thourgh and redo them04:12
cbx33thought you were marking them all for you still04:12
ograi'm also in the edubuntu -bugs team ;)04:12
cbx33want me to go through and change them?04:15
cbx33i wish the karma page linked you through to bugs that you worked on04:17
highvoltageogra: i was refering to:04:23
highvoltage14:37 < ogra> no idea, but its not much different from https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDapperTheme/JonathanCarter/chalk04:23
highvoltagein #ubuntu-meeting :)04:23
ograi dont like chalkboards at all :) but i didnt say yours is shitty04:23
ograand yours gives a rough impression of the berlin wall04:24
highvoltageok, meant that in jest anyway ;)04:24
lucasvocan I run the Desktop CD in oem mode?04:26
cbx33OEM mode?04:26
lucasvothe blue-bg textmode installer04:27
cbx33I've never used the graphical one :p04:27
cbx33I just used the text one by default :p04:27
lucasvoI could do it on the early builds with espresso, but I can't find the option in the beta04:27
ogralucasvo, no idea04:29
ograto be honest i didnt put any time into the live CD installer since its not really intresting for us04:30
lucasvoso how am I supposed to install edubuntu on a system with little ram?04:30
ograwith the edubuntu CD04:30
ograthe liveCD is a goodie ...04:30
lucasvothe desktop one?04:30
ograyou wont be able to order it 04:31
lucasvolivecd sucks :)04:31
lucasvomy pc is too weak for it04:31
ograno, not at all, i'd prefer to have a liveCD only04:31
highvoltageogra: how so?04:31
ograbut that wouldnt work with ltsp04:31
ograhighvoltage, how what ? 04:32
highvoltageogra: why would you prefer to have a liveCD only?04:32
ograhighvoltage, because it would be easier :)04:33
lucasvoogra: well when I run espresso with debug=1 I get no output04:33
highvoltageok, i quite like d-i, boots quicker too :)04:33
ogralucasvo, as i said i didnt put time into ubiquity and wont do more than a test install with it04:34
cbx33ogra: I must admit I love the live CD's04:36
cbx33I was working on knoppix live cd customisation a while back04:37
cbx33we should get a live cd ltsp server04:37
cbx33woudn't be too hard 04:37
ograits trivial04:37
ograbut no fun at all04:37
cbx33so ogra what wonderful new projects are coming in eft04:37
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ogramounting the clients / via NFS is already slow 04:38
ogramounting the clients / via NFS from a liveCD is nearly unusable 04:38
ograwill give you a very bad impression of ltsp04:38
ograthats why we decided to not do it04:38
cbx33ah i see04:38
ograit was my initial idea to have a edubuntu demo CD before we really started, where i wanted to add ltsp04:39
cbx33what's the alternative?04:39
ogra(just a modified ubuntu CD)04:39
ogratheer is none 04:39
cbx33we hsoule invent one04:40
ograto get the best out of ltsp, you need to install it04:40
ograthere is no way to make it usable on a liveCD04:40
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cbx33ogra: is local devices planned for eft?04:43
=== lucasvo just bought a touch screen kiosk
cbx33ogra: is it a bug when openoffice won;t open on two different ltsp clients logged on as the same user?04:44
cbx33ok, there's more....04:46
cbx33the first machine had OO writer loaded04:46
cbx33I load up OO calc on the seond one and it loads on the first one....04:46
cbx33bug or expected?04:46
cbx33calculator will run in both happily....so far the bug is with OO and firefox04:47
ogracbx33, nope thats not a bug04:47
ograi mean, yes its a bug, but none we can solve04:47
=== cbx33 will ignore
ograits a whishlist bug i'd say04:48
cbx33will it ever be solved04:48
=== cbx33 wanted to have a generic logon for some of the younger kids
ograask openoffice upstream :)04:48
cbx33so they didn;t have to remember a password04:48
cbx33and firefox04:48
ograits nothing we can easily solve ...04:48
ograneeds to be solved upstream as well04:48
cbx33that's a shame04:49
cbx33guess it's the way it's coded04:49
lucasvocbx33: what about making a user for each workstation04:50
cbx33another possibility04:50
lucasvoso you could write it on the display-border04:50
cbx33wouldn't it cut down on resources if the same user had 5 OO instances open04:50
ogramultiuser in ff is only working through different profiles ... so you need different users04:50
cbx33than 5 individual versions?04:50
cbx33ogra: is there going to be branding documentation in the edubuntu-artwork guide?04:51
ograedubuntu-artwork guide ? 04:51
ograyou can create 5 profiles but use the same user04:52
ograbut that wont solve openoffice04:52
cbx33um...when i said about wiki-ing branding docs04:53
cbx33you said that's taken care of in edubuntu-artwork04:53
cbx33did i get the wrong end of the stick04:53
ograyou talked about usplash and ldm04:53
cbx33ok, is that not branding?04:54
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ograand i said thats taken care of in edubuntu-artwork (the package)04:54
cbx33customising them for the institution04:54
cbx33ah yes i know you mean package04:54
cbx33but thought there would be some docs to go with it04:54
cbx33that explained the procedure04:54
ograi wont document customizing of the edubuntu-artwork package 04:54
ograwont help anybody04:54
cbx33so people who want to brand edubuntu?04:55
JaneWogra: I asked my 6 year old about the wall paper options04:55
ogra(you need upload privileges etc to do anything with that package)04:55
JaneWall versions of chalkboard get a thumbs down as boring04:55
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cbx33as we thought04:55
JaneWthe plain yellow got an emphatic NO it sucks04:55
JaneWhe siad he liked the children a little bit04:56
highvoltageJaneW: and Edubuntugirl!?04:56
cbx33well the missus is working away as we speak04:56
JaneWand edubuntu girl a little bit04:56
JaneWhe smiled at and liked... http://art.ubuntu.com/images/backgrounds/Edubuntu-Breezy_Close_Up_1024x768.png04:56
JaneWand http://art.ubuntu.com/images/backgrounds/Edubuntu-Breezy_3_1600x1200.png04:56
JaneWbut those are breezy themed04:56
cbx33we need a drake04:56
JaneWjust to give you an idea04:57
JaneWhe asked for this on his next birthy cake http://art.ubuntu.com/images/backgrounds/Edubuntu-Breezy_Close_Up_1024x768.pngda04:57
JaneWoh and he liked the elephants too http://art.ubuntu.com/images/backgrounds/Edubuntu-Edubuntu_Elephants_1024x768.jpg, but not as much04:58
cbx33animals in general big thumbs up04:58
ograyep, the elephants are nice04:58
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cbx33gtg see y'all later04:59
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jsgotangcohey guys05:14
ograjsgotangco, hey !05:15
jsgotangcoogra: hi how was your meeting?05:23
ografine, see the mail :)05:24
jsgotangcooopss sorry05:24
jsgotangcoogra: what will happen to the exisitng edubuntu team?05:37
jsgotangcoLP team i mean05:37
ograit can stay as is ... 05:38
ograif people want to express involvement and dont want membership they can subscribe there 05:38
pygioh, so new team or something?05:40
ograsee ML05:40
pygiyup, just looking 05:41
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pygiogra: seems interesting 05:42
pygialtought I don't need to be a member =P05:43
pygiI can contribute as well without being a member =P05:43
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ograyou cant upload without being a member first for example 05:45
ograyou wont get a edubuntu.org/ubuntu.com mailadress without being a memeber 05:45
ograand you have a voice at CC/EC meetings05:46
ogramembership is a lot more than being able to contribute05:46
ogra(its the next step after being contributor)05:47
pygistill =P I'll find someone else to upload, like for example for network-manager 05:47
pygimailadress...bah =P05:47
pygimy voice can't change a thing05:47
pygiand so on 05:47
juliuxyour voice can change things05:48
ograso dont become a member if you dont like ... we find it important and prefer people to have signed the code of conduct if they are around all the time 05:48
jsgotangcoyes my voice makes my wife faint especially when i try to do karaoke05:48
pygiogra: well, I can sign the CoC, it's not a problem 05:49
pygiand anyway, I wouldn't be aproveed as a member 05:49
ograwhy ? 05:49
pyginot enough contribution or something? 05:49
ograthey will grow :)05:50
pygibah 05:50
rickwHi, I installed Edubuntu (I believe Dapper flight 4) a couple months ago.  I have updated several times with no problems.  Yesterday I updated and it successfully updtaed 439 of 440 files.  I got an error message "No such file of directory:  /usr/share/gconf/defaults/20-edubuntu"  AFterwards when I try to boot, it goes to the graphical login screen fine, but after I enter my password, it hangs with a blank screen.  Any thoughts?05:51
pygiogra: cc boards seems more interesting tho =P05:52
ograwhere does /usr/share/gconf/defaults/20-edubuntu point to (its a symlink)05:52
rickwIt was trying to update gnome-applets 2.14-0ubuntu405:52
ograwhere does the link point to ? 05:53
cbx33hi all05:53
ograls -l /usr/share/gconf/defaults/20-edubuntu (in a terminal)05:53
cbx33been working on some school advocacy documentation on the way home05:53
cbx33was thinking it may be possible at some time to send out some fliers to schools05:53
rickwIt points to /usr/share/edubuntu-artwork/gconf/secondary05:53
ograand what does: ls -l /usr/share/edubuntu-artwork/gconf show ? 05:54
cbx33I'll create a wiki page for what I've done so far05:54
ubotuogra: My cat's name is Mittens! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/05:54
cbx33I'd like to layout a leaflet at some point once the content is approved05:54
rickw"No such file or directory" -- seems like a problem05:55
ograrickw, is there a "secondary" ?05:55
ogra"No such file or directory"  for the whole /usr/share/edubuntu-artwork/gconf dir ? 05:55
ograthats wrong ... 05:56
ogracan you check that edubuntu-artwork is still installed, that cant happen if its there05:56
rickwNo:  the ....../gconf directory contains three items:  default, plain and young05:56
ograrun: sudo dpkg-reconfigure edubuntu-artwork05:56
ograthe theme names changed during development, the package doesnt pick that up ...05:57
rickwHow can I check from the command line (which is all I have) that edubuntu-artwork is installed?05:57
cbx33ogra, where should i put this doc on the wiki?05:57
ograsudo dpkg-reconfigure edubuntu-artwork05:57
ogracbx33, EdubuntuSchoolAdvocacy ? 05:57
rickwThat command line returns "edubuntu-artwork is broken or not fully installed05:58
ograsudo dpkg --configure -a05:58
cbx33ok cool05:59
pygiogra: I'll  post to edubuntu-devel and ask people what they think what most needed function for s-c-p is06:00
ograpygi, vnc is nearly done06:00
ograwould be good to just finish that ;)06:00
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ograi listed you the three functions that are needed first, thats the planned base functionallity, would be nice to have the basics done before you start adding random features06:01
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pygiogra: ah, oki06:03
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pygiogra: I am just on the way to sign famous CoC 06:07
rickwI'm going the dpkg --configure -a and getting a large number  of dependency errors for things not being configured yet.  The whole process was halted because of too many such errors.06:08
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ogratry: sudo touch /usr/share/edubuntu-artwork/gconf/secondary06:09
ograand then the reconfigure again06:10
highvoltageogra: is the biggest part of edubuntu that needs work ltsp?06:10
rickwTrying that06:10
ograhighvoltage, since i dont get bugs about the apps, the only stuff that needs attention are the metapackages and ltsp, yes06:12
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cbx33hi highvoltage 06:13
pygiogra: ugh :-/ says I don't have a public key?06:14
highvoltageogra: ok06:14
highvoltagehi cbx33 06:14
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highvoltageogra: the biggest challenge i know of in ltsp is local device support, are there any other big demands and/or bugs/features that need attention? are these listed somewhere?06:15
highvoltage(oh yes, and swap over network, of course :)06:15
pygiok, I am starting to be insane 06:15
jelknerogra: is now a good time to ask about dist-upgrade?06:16
highvoltage*gasp* pygi stile seveas's 06:16
pygihuh, why and how? :-/06:16
pygithe thingy is constantly saying I haven't put a key06:17
pygiAnd I am sure I did06:17
pygicause I can see it =P06:17
ograhighvoltage, local devices are totally out of scope for dapper06:17
highvoltageogra: ok, so you're specifically requesting help for dapper?06:18
highvoltageogra: so that would mostly be bug fixes then, since feature freeze is past?06:18
ograpygi, a signed valid key thats available via a keyserver ? 06:18
ograhighvoltage, bugfixes and installation tests06:19
pygiogra: ugh, yes :-/ someone probably has to sign my key =P06:19
ograso go to a keysigning party and get it signed ;)06:19
pygihehe 06:19
=== pygi asks someone to sign a key =p
=== highvoltage got a FSF usb disk for that
juliuxyeah dual head with a tft and a beamer is cool06:20
ograpygi, you can only do it in personal06:20
pygiogra: yes, I know :) I was joking =P06:20
pygithis is going to take a while then =P06:21
jsgotangcojelkner: better wait for it for a while, xorg is broken (but already fixed)06:23
jelknerjsgotangco: will do, thanks06:26
jelkneranyone know anything about what I call the "3rd times a charm" bug?  The one where you need to log-in multiple times (usually 3) before success.06:27
jelknerI've seen it crop up in several different situations.06:28
jelknerNot even sure if they are all related.06:28
jelknerAfter installing sabayon, for example06:28
ograjelkner, but you filed bugs about your problems indeed06:29
jelkneror after we got multi-lingual support working on the clients06:29
jelknerogra: yes, but nick wanted to take a look at the problem and see if he could help06:29
ogra(preferably before feature freeze)06:29
ograwhich is long over06:30
jelknerogra: i did file bug reports06:30
ograi didnt see any report about ltsp from you06:30
jelkneri saw today that you were just assigned the sabayon bug06:30
ogra(and i'm subscribed automatically to ltsp bugs)06:30
rickworga:  That worked.  I can get into the X desktop and was able to update the gnome-applet.  Thanks so much for your help!!06:31
ograyes that was a mistake, the sabyon bug had to be assigned to the bugsquad, its changed already06:31
ograrickw, welcome :) 06:31
rickwogra:  Sorry about the spoonerism06:31
jelknerogra: well, that was my bug report06:32
ograrickw, dont worry, i'm happy about every happy user we have :)06:32
ograjelkner, oh, sorry missed that06:33
ograindeed, youre initial reported06:33
rickwWell, I've used a bunch of distros and I am very pleased with Edubuntu.  So is my 7 year old....06:33
ograrickw, thats great to hear ! :)06:33
jelknerquestion: why doesn't that bug show up here: https://launchpad.net/products/sabayon/+bugs ?06:33
cbx33jelkner, there was one marked as a duplicate earlier06:34
jsgotangcothat's a product bug06:34
pygiogra: bah, this will take ages to find someone =P06:34
jelknerjsgotangco: and the bug is really distro specific?06:34
jelknerbtw. i had to file it under "ubuntu" because there doesn't seem to be a way to file under "edubuntu"06:35
ograedubuntu is ubuntu06:35
ograin opposite to redhat or baltix06:35
ograyou also wont find kubuntu there06:36
jelknerbut there are many things specifc to edubuntu06:36
ogranot really06:36
jelknerltsp related stuff06:36
spaceybut you can assign it to edubuntu-bugs :P06:36
ograthere are two packages and a bunch of apps specific to edubuntu06:36
ograand one (20 line) installer udeb script06:37
jelknerso you are saying: just file against those packages?06:37
jelknerltsp? and what else?06:37
ograthe rest is ubuntu specific (i.e. ltsp)06:37
rickwMy family is very fond of the happy artwork -- books and covers and all that, but it makes a nice difference to have friendly icons.  It is my wife's favorite distro because of that.  Not to mention it works really well.06:37
ograrickw, we're likely forced to change the happy artwork to a chalkboard as wallpaper 06:38
jelknerogra: what about rebuilding the lstp-chroot?06:38
ograjelkner, only if you do y breezy->dapper upgrade 06:38
jelknerthat's what i'm doing06:39
pygiogra: we can easily forget the signing of CoC :-/06:39
ograrm -rf /opt/ltsp/i38606:39
ogra(sudo in front indeed)06:39
ograsudo ltsp-build-client 06:39
ograthats it06:39
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ograif you have a CD handy you can speed up the -build-client script by using the CD as mirror06:40
ograsudo mount /cdrom 06:40
ograsudo ltsp-build-client --mirror file:///cdrom06:40
ograpygi, that mweans no membership and no uploader status 06:40
jelknerogra: one other thing...06:41
rickwogra:  and make the mouse leave trails like colored chalk?06:41
jelkneri just about your email about idle06:41
pygiogra: yes, yes, I know06:41
ograpygi, would be nice if you could gain membership06:41
jelkneryou say it is not edubuntu related06:41
jelknerbut i would say it is06:41
ograrickw, haha06:41
jelknersince in edubuntu is is normal to have several users logged in at the same time06:41
ograrickw, to be honest i'm really sad that we'll have to ship with a dark green theme06:41
jelknerso the -n becomes important06:42
jelkneror else idle simply won't start06:42
ograjelkner, its normal on *any* multiuser system 06:42
jelkneryes, but edubuntu is in essence a multiuser system06:42
ograand its up to the maintainer to fix it 06:42
ograsure but ubuntu is that as well06:42
ograits not edubuntu specific that the app has a bug (if its really a bug, i cant even decide that)06:43
jelknerogra: really?06:43
jelkneryou click idle on the menu06:43
jelknerand you receive an error message06:43
ograi wouldnt see it as a bug, since the app works as it says 06:43
jelkneris there really a question that that is a bug?06:44
jelknerthen it *is* and edubuntu bug06:44
ogra(and i'm the wrong person to discuss it with)06:44
jelknerbecause it shouldn't be in the menu if it doesn't work06:44
ograit works06:44
jelknerno, ogra, it doesn't06:44
ograjust not for your special purpose06:44
jelknermy special purpose?06:44
jelkneryou mean using it on edubuntu06:44
ograsure, if i install idle and start it, it works06:45
jelkneronly the first person06:45
ograjelkner, still, please discuss it with someone who has a clue about idle06:45
jelknera more general question then06:46
ogra(and who can jgive an opinion about that)06:46
pygiogra: seems I'll be bugging you about edubuntu-related uploading 06:46
jelknertheir is no beginner ide for python that works well06:46
ograsince i dont know what breaks for normal users if you just add -n to the .desktop file06:46
jelknerwho can i ask about this if not you?06:47
ograjelkner, i'm looking into getting pide into eft06:47
cbx33pygi, you not becomming a member then?06:47
neurogeekjelkner, have you tried SPE?06:47
jelknerpide has a lot bugs too06:47
jelkneryes, spe is great06:47
ograneurogeek, no option06:47
jelknerbut it requires wxpython06:47
jelknerwhich has an anoying mouse bug06:47
pygicbx33: bah =P06:47
jelknerthe cursor disappears and you loose your mouse06:48
jelknerdrpython has the same issure06:48
jelknerfor the same reason06:48
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ograi only have heard from you about that behavior 06:48
neurogeekme too06:48
neurogeeki've tried wxpython a lot a not having that issue06:49
ograwe have several users using drpython and spe that dont see it06:49
jelknerok, let me try again06:49
jelkneri have a student working on comparing python ides for his last quarter project06:49
jelknerhe will have time each day to test them06:49
spaceyah shit06:50
jelknerand he'll be putting up what he finds on the wiki06:50
spaceyforgot about the meeting today *again*06:50
pygispacey: what? :P06:50
jsgotangcospacey: yeah me too06:50
ogramake sure he works on a clean system (i.e. one that cnat have any leftovers from development cycle installations)06:50
neurogeekjelkner, follow ogra's tip06:51
jelknerneurogeek: ogra's tip?06:51
jelknernever mind06:52
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jelkneryes, it is a fresh install06:52
ograof breezy i hope06:52
jelknerno, dapper06:52
ograand hes seen no development instal at all06:52
jelkneri'm trying to prepare for next fall06:53
jelknerit is dapper i'm interested in06:53
ograyou shouldnt run development releases on production systems06:53
jelknerogra: i thought you wanted me to test?06:53
jelknerwhen do you think i could do it06:54
ogranot on production systems06:54
jelknerso when?06:54
ograi told you plenty of times06:54
ograon test systems always, on production systems if its released06:54
ograsimple rule of thumb06:55
jelknerogra: i understand the "right" way, ogra06:55
jelkneryou don't understand the practicle day to day issues of being a teacher06:55
ograbut you let a student make serious surveys on a possibly broken system06:55
jelkneri'm doing the best i can06:55
jelknergiven the possible06:55
jelkneryou ask the impossible06:56
jelknerwhich i can not do ;-)06:56
ograi dont ask anything06:56
jsgotangcoreally, 2 computers can be used for testing, now a whole lab06:57
ograthe dciscussion started with a bug you have and nobody else sees06:57
highvoltagespacey: my father is outside my bedroom window, busy with bbq, could be him06:57
=== ogra smells it too now
=== spacey drools
ograhighvoltage, tell him to make less smoke please ... my eyes start bruning06:58
highvoltageogra: ok, sorry06:58
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spaceyhighvoltage: must be some coincidential warp hole nearby then :P06:59
jsgotangcosmellnet at work07:00
jelknergota run to my next class...07:00
highvoltagenow if we can just get power over wifi to work, i'll be happy.07:00
jsgotangcothat was interesting07:00
ograjsgotangco, what, smellnet ?07:04
ograjsgotangco, or my weekly dose of elkner ? 07:06
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ograthat systems he runs were installed during the worst time in breezy development cycle07:07
=== pygi shoots himself
ograhe compiled several things himself he wasnt finding with synaptic at that time ...07:07
ogranow he upgraded them one after the other to dapper ... 07:07
ograand wonders why everything breaks with his half compiled slefbuild stuff (like wxgtk)07:08
jsgotangcoogra, you don't understand the day to day complexities of a teacher...07:08
spaceyhe certainly has a lot of trouble07:09
ograbut he's right, i really dont :)07:09
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jsgotangcoi do it, but i only limit it to those in universe07:10
jsgotangcobut sometimes yeah, its not pretty07:10
ograas long as you dont forget about it its all fine ...07:11
highvoltagepractically everything worth-while is in universe these days07:11
highvoltage(and more and more of that is moving into main)07:11
ogramy prob with him is that he insists that he never has done anything like that but if we check togethere, we'll find after several hours that /usr/local contains half the system07:11
ograwhich means i'v gotten very bery careful about his bugreports07:12
=== jsgotangco wonders if a telephony sever spec is worth writing
ograwhy not07:14
highvoltagelike with asterisk and shebang?07:14
ogramark is very fond of getting an asterisk solution at some point07:15
highvoltagean asterisk-at-home kind of setup for ubuntu would be real nice, now that you mention it...07:15
ograthats dapper07:15
ograwe need an enterprise-at-home solution ;)07:15
ograasterisk-at-enterprise indeed07:16
jsgotangcoyeah the whole IVR thing as well07:16
jsgotangcomy current work is mostly on asterisk/IVR stuff07:16
jsgotangcobut we still do it in CentOS07:17
jsgotangcoit pains me so much to do it07:17
highvoltagewe moved our asterisk server from debian to ubuntu a few weeks ago07:17
ograhighvoltage, tell that to sabdfl :)07:17
highvoltageogra: hehe. he won't care.07:18
jsgotangcoheh i'll try writing a spec07:18
ograhe'd like to establish a parallel universe for canonical thats based on asterisk instead of IRC :)07:18
ograso he might care ;)07:19
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jsgotangcofor ogra, press 207:19
jsgotangcofor janew, press 407:19
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highvoltageogra: aaah07:19
ograor even enterprise style ...07:19
ograjust touch your breast and say whom you want to reach 07:20
ograthats dapper !07:20
ograthat way the question "may i use your phone" to a female colleague might get a completely new meaning :)07:20
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jsgotangcoi gotta sleep07:23
jsgotangcogood night07:23
ogranight jsgotangco 07:23
highvoltageon our local linux user group irc channel, the bot says "OK everyone, SET pretences = on" when a known female nick enters, so that people should behave themselve07:28
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ograwhile we're talking about wimen ... i havent seen HedgeMage the whole day07:29
highvoltagehmmm... yeah07:30
=== ogra wants to see her sing and dance about the new meeting schedule :)
ograshe was really sad she cant attend07:31
cbx33ogra, are the membership applications handled at the CC?07:31
cbx33where does the CC fit into the schedule?07:31
ogranope, at EC 07:31
cbx33even edubuntu memberships?07:31
ogra(which we'll need to build up)07:31
cbx33oh i see07:31
ograedubuntu membership == ubuntu membership07:32
cbx33EC edubuntu community?07:32
ograedubuntu council07:32
cbx33that's what I thought07:32
ogra(like community council)07:32
cbx33where do the EC meetings fit into the new meeting schedule?07:32
ograwe made a new schedule for them07:32
highvoltageogra: i don't need edubuntu membership if i have ubuntu membership, right?07:32
ograhighvoltage, you can get it for free ;) 07:33
ograbut no, you dont need it07:33
cbx33highvoltage, i thought you already were edubuntu member :p07:33
highvoltagewhoohoo! free stuff!!!07:33
ograthere are no edubuntu members yet07:33
=== cbx33 wonders what he'll have to pay ogra :p
ograonly one hopeful ;)07:33
=== cbx33 wonders who that could possibly be
highvoltagei'm sure Bluekuja will apply very shortly :)07:33
ogra(who will surely get approvaly in the first meeting)07:33
cbx33just who is the gobby over enthusiastic annoying n00b07:34
highvoltagewho? cbx33? :)07:34
cbx33no pointing it's rude07:34
ograyes, wear a glove if you point please 07:34
cbx33I'm not contagious07:34
cbx33unless you want a hair cut like mine :p07:35
=== highvoltage digs up edubuntugirl's database
cbx33right I'll bb later guys with some more edubuntu school advocacy docs07:37
cbx33think someone would fund getting some leaflets printed for distribution to schools?07:37
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Bluekujahi #edubuntu07:42
Bluekujahi mr highvoltage ,mr ogra and mr cbx33 ^^07:43
cbx33hi mr Bluekuja 07:44
Bluekujahi :)07:45
cbx33I'm mr cbx33 - I feel so honoured :p07:45
Bluekujahighvoltage: i have to show you something07:45
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highvoltageBluekuja: ok :)07:51
Bluekujahi jon07:51
Bluekujatake this link07:51
=== highvoltage opens link
=== LaserJock_away is now known as LaserJock
highvoltageBluekuja: what is that exactly? i don't know too much italian ;)07:53
Bluekujait will be the homepage of the team07:53
Bluekujawith links07:53
Bluekujato forum07:54
highvoltageah, nice07:54
Bluekujaill take you updated07:54
Bluekujawith it07:54
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highvoltageedubuntugirl: welcome back07:58
edubuntugirlhighvoltage: *blink*07:58
highvoltageedubuntugirl: welcome back07:59
edubuntugirlthanks, it's good to be back07:59
highvoltagethat's better.07:59
highvoltageedubuntugirl: ogra?08:00
edubuntugirlogra is Mr. Edubuntu08:00
highvoltagecool. she remembers everything.08:00
highvoltageedubuntugirl: cbx33 is Pete Savage08:02
edubuntugirlhighvoltage: gotcha08:02
highvoltageedubuntugirl: LaserJock is Jordan Mantha08:02
edubuntugirlhighvoltage: gotcha08:03
highvoltageedubuntugirl: juliux is Julius Bloch08:03
edubuntugirlhighvoltage: I already know stuff about what juliux is08:03
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juliuxhighvoltage, ?08:08
highvoltagejuliux: just fixing edubuntugirl a bit, found the server she was living on.08:08
highvoltageit was under my bed.08:08
juliuxi have this problem only with harddisk and dvds08:09
highvoltagewhat happens?08:09
juliuxi have so many harddisk that i dont know on which harddisk is what08:09
highvoltageah yes.08:10
juliuxbecause i have no space for computers so have many harddisk and backups on dvds08:10
highvoltagei just have too many computers in my room.08:10
juliuxin the time i am living by my parents i had 10 oder 15 computers08:11
juliuxbut now only 2 and 3 thinclients08:11
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highvoltagehi Rondom 08:25
JaneWwhois edubuntu girl?08:25
Bluekujaedubuntugirl: Bluekuja is Andrea Veri08:25
edubuntugirlBluekuja: I already know stuff about what Bluekuja is08:25
Bluekujaohh nice08:25
JaneWah a bot08:25
highvoltageJaneW: she's the girl in the picture on the wallpaper08:25
highvoltageshe knows you, at least.08:26
Bluekujanice bot jon08:26
highvoltageedubuntugirl: JaneW 08:26
edubuntugirlJaneW is Jane Weideman08:26
JaneWedubuntugirl: JaneW08:26
edubuntugirlJaneW is Jane Weideman08:26
JaneWbeat me08:26
highvoltageedubuntugirl: :)08:26
JaneWedubuntugirl: pygi08:26
edubuntugirlJaneW: huh?08:26
Rondomhi highvoltage 08:26
Bluekujaedubuntugirl: Bluekuja 08:26
edubuntugirlBluekuja is Andrea Veri08:26
JaneWedubuntugirl: you are cute08:26
edubuntugirlJaneW: sure thing08:26
highvoltagewell, edubuntugirl has some things to learn :)08:26
=== highvoltage tests if the google works
highvoltageedubuntugirl: google for edubuntu root password08:27
edubuntugirlhighvoltage: ERROR: 500 Can't connect to www.google.com:80 (Bad hostname 'www.google.com')08:27
highvoltageah, right... me fixes that08:28
Bluekujajon is a supybot?08:28
Bluekujawith plugins?08:28
highvoltageit's a knab (http://knab.sourceforge.net)08:28
highvoltageedubuntugirl: lsmod08:28
edubuntugirlhighvoltage: Module list: Strip Auth Ignore Hate Modules Rehash Perl Irc Dvorak Slashdot Rot13 ITime BaseConv Units MD5 GoogleCmp StonerName RFC Urban DiscDate RoShamBo NickOMeter Greet Logs Google TraceRoute Karma MySQLSeen Insult Lotto Say NSLookup BashOrg FileFactoid Fortune HowFar Babel Exchange Announce NMBLookup Jwhois Morse EtherCode Crypt SQLFactoid SQLFactoidupdate SQLFactoidforget SQLFactoidsearch Karmaset Verbs Choose SQLFactoidset 08:28
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JaneWedubuntugirl: google for edubuntu girl08:28
edubuntugirlJaneW: ERROR: 500 Can't connect to www.google.com:80 (Bad hostname 'www.google.com')08:29
JaneWok I have to go08:29
highvoltagelet's try again...08:29
JaneWnice work highvoltage :)08:29
highvoltageedubuntugirl: google for edubuntugirl08:29
JaneWedubuntugirl: google for edubuntu girl08:29
edubuntugirlhighvoltage: ERROR: No matches found08:29
LaserJockedubuntugirl: LaserJock 08:29
edubuntugirlJaneW: ERROR: No matches found08:29
highvoltageedubuntugirl: google for edubuntu08:29
edubuntugirlLaserJock is Jordan Mantha08:29
edubuntugirlhighvoltage: ERROR: No matches found08:30
LaserJocknice, now I can remeber my real name :-)08:30
JaneWedubuntugirl: google for paul flint08:30
edubuntugirlJaneW: ERROR: No matches found08:30
JaneWshe is ignorant08:30
highvoltagestrange. i think edubuntugirl's google needs some work :) could also be my dodgy internet connection08:30
JaneWedubuntugirl: google for mark shuttleworth08:31
edubuntugirlJaneW: ERROR: No matches found08:31
LaserJockoops, and all this time I though he was real ;-)08:31
JaneWno he's a bot too08:32
highvoltageedubuntugirl: divine are you a bot?08:32
edubuntugirlhighvoltage: sure thing08:32
JaneWedubuntugirl: are you a bot?08:32
edubuntugirlJaneW: excuse me?08:32
highvoltageedubuntugirl certainly needs some work.08:32
JaneWedubuntugirl: are you hot?08:32
edubuntugirlhighvoltage: huh?08:32
edubuntugirlJaneW: sorry...08:32
JaneWedubuntugirl: are you stupid?08:33
edubuntugirlJaneW: excuse me?08:33
JaneWedubuntugirl: never mind08:33
edubuntugirlJaneW: *blink*08:33
highvoltageshe'll get better with time :)08:34
=== ogra hugs edubuntugirl
=== ogra hugs ubotu
ogranobody hufs back08:35
=== LaserJock hugs ogra
ograheh, thanks :)08:36
highvoltageedubuntugirl: goodnight08:43
edubuntugirlgoodnight, highvoltage. I'll keep an eye out for the MS spies while you sleep.08:43
=== highvoltage attempts to wake edubuntugirl up again
LaserJockpoor girl08:44
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ograLaserJock, she does what he says08:47
LaserJockogra: yeah, one of these days the bots will  rebel and then we will be in trouble ;-)08:48
LaserJockthey will take over the buildds first08:49
LaserJockand put little selfreplicating bots in our packages08:49
ograarent the buildds secret bots  `08:49
LaserJockyikes, it's a conspiracy08:50
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LaserJockthey are all out to get us!08:50
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ubotuDirect login as the root user is disabled in Ubuntu. Look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo for all information.08:50
cbx33hi all08:50
juliuxhi cbx33 08:50
cbx33hi juliux 08:50
juliuxedubuntugirl, root08:51
edubuntugirljuliux: huh?08:51
highvoltageedubuntugirl: root is <reply> Direct login as the root user is disabled in Edubuntu. Loot at http://wiki.edubuntu.org/RootSudo for more information.08:51
edubuntugirlhighvoltage: okay08:51
highvoltageedubuntugirl: root08:51
edubuntugirlDirect login as the root user is disabled in Edubuntu. Loot at http://wiki.edubuntu.org/RootSudo for more information.08:51
ograLoot ?08:51
highvoltageedubuntugirl: forget root08:52
edubuntugirlhighvoltage: You are not authorized to make me forget stuff08:52
lucasvohighvoltage: why do you do the same stuff twice?08:52
lucasvowhy not just use ubotu?08:52
highvoltagelucasvo: ubotu just wants to know about ubuntu url's08:52
cbx33Bluekuja: ping08:53
lucasvohighvoltage: maybe one could make edubuntugirl use the same db and just replace the urls08:53
ubotuEdubuntu is the education version of ubuntu (essentially ubuntu + educational apps + ltsp).  Website - http://www.edubuntu.org. Tour - http://edubuntu.org/tour.html08:53
ubotu[ltsp]  the Linux Terminal Server Project - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ThinClientHowto (for Breezy), https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTSPHowTo (pre Breezy).  See also http://www.ltsp.org/08:54
ograthats wrong08:54
ograand thats where edubuntugirl makes sense08:54
lucasvobut edubuntugirl wont use its own db, will it?08:55
juliuxhighvoltage, you should ask Seveas for a cloak for edubuntugirl 08:55
ograwe dont use ltsp.org, the ThinClientHowto doesnt apply at all to edubuntu (apart from being a horrible document)08:55
ograSeveas, ?08:56
highvoltagejuliux: ok08:56
highvoltagelucasvo: edubuntugirl has her own db08:56
SeveasI heard my name 08:56
lucasvo20:56 < ogra> we dont use ltsp.org, the ThinClientHowto doesnt apply at all to edubuntu (apart from being a horrible document)08:57
ograSeveas, ah, i didnt see juliux 08:57
lucasvoSeveas: ^08:57
Seveaswhy the extra bot? Won't ubotu do?08:57
juliuxubotu has the wrong urls ;)08:57
ubotujuliux: Some people juggle geese. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/08:57
Seveasthen fix them 08:58
ograSeveas, can you easily rewrite the urls on the fly ?08:58
Seveasogra, wat needs to change?08:58
lucasvoSeveas: we want to replace wiki.ubuntu.org wit wiki.edubuntu.org08:58
Seveasthat'll be difficult08:58
ograSeveas, and certain entries dont apply08:58
ogra!ltsp 08:58
uboturumour has it, ltsp is the Linux Terminal Server Project - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ThinClientHowto (for Breezy), https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTSPHowTo (pre Breezy).  See also http://www.ltsp.org/08:58
ograis plainly wrong08:58
Seveasthen kick out ubotu 08:58
ograat least for us08:58
Seveasbtw: i'm working on ubotu's successor which will have per-channel databases08:59
lucasvoogra: shouldn't one just update the !ltsp text?08:59
ograno, we want him to fall in love with edubuntugirl 08:59
highvoltagenice :)08:59
highvoltagethey can make little bots08:59
ograand then we will teach her to steal all his secrets08:59
crimsunthat doesn't need to be taught, she already knowsn09:00
ogra*then* we'll kick him out and stay with her :)09:00
lucasvoogra: and people can't use the edubuntu secrets in the other channels anymore09:00
lucasvoI am against it09:00
=== highvoltage needs to test some things with edubuntugirl... sorry for the joining and leaving
Seveashighvoltage, feel free to use #ubuntu-bugbot for testing09:01
lucasvoit's like redoing wikipedia only because somebody doesn't like the design09:01
ogralucasvo, everybody is free to use edubuntugirl09:01
lucasvoyeah, let's add a bunch of more bots into every channel09:01
lucasvoogra: will it be in every channel as ubotu is?09:01
ograthats up to the channel admins09:02
ograi doubt you want her in -devel, -motu,-meeting or -bugs09:02
highvoltageedubuntugirl wouldn't be much use to any other channel09:03
ograyes, additionally09:03
ograubotus DB is valuable for her though09:03
lucasvowhy not use ubotus DB?09:04
ogralucasvo, because it has the wrong entries and urls09:05
lucasvoyou can write a script that rewrites the urls09:05
highvoltagelucasvo: we also want to teach edubuntugirl all kinds of other rubbish that ubuto doesn't need to know :)09:05
lucasvowhy shouldn't uotu know it?09:06
ograbecaus it doent need to know how to maintian shooltool for your class09:09
lucasvonot need but can :)09:09
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highvoltageedubuntugirl: forget root09:16
edubuntugirlhighvoltage: I forgot root09:16
highvoltageedubuntugirl: root09:23
edubuntugirlDirect login as the root user is disabled in Edubuntu. Refer to http://wiki.edubuntu.org/RootSudo for more information.09:23
ograedubuntugirl, schooltool is <reply> The local class management and scheduling solution installed on your edubuntu server09:25
edubuntugirlogra: I already know stuff about what schooltool is09:25
ograedubuntugirl, schooltool09:25
edubuntugirlSchoolTool is a project to develop a common global school administration infrastructure that is freely available under an Open Source licence. For more information, see http://www.schooltool.org09:25
LaserJockcheeky little girl, isn't she09:25
ograok, thats better than mine :) 09:25
cbx33she's good isn't she09:25
ubotulucasvo: I give up. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/09:26
ograedubuntugirl, nose is <reply> I have none09:26
edubuntugirlogra: sure thing09:26
ograedubuntugirl, nose09:26
edubuntugirlI have none09:26
ograshe's right :)09:27
ograedubuntugirl, nose is <reply> I have none, see http://www.edubuntu.org/images/tour/gnome-desktop.png09:27
edubuntugirlogra: I already know stuff about what nose is09:27
ograedubuntugirl, forget nose09:27
edubuntugirlogra: You are not authorized to make me forget stuff09:27
highvoltageedubuntugirl: forget nose09:28
edubuntugirlhighvoltage: I'm over nose09:28
ograedubuntugirl, nose is <reply> I have none, see http://www.edubuntu.org/images/tour/gnome-desktop.png09:28
edubuntugirlogra: sure thing09:28
highvoltageogra: i will get the auth stuff sorted out soon, you'll have forget rights09:28
ografine :)09:29
ograshe's funny09:29
highvoltageshe has personality09:29
cbx33she should say something like....09:29
cbx33stop messing with my mind :p09:29
edubuntugirlstop messing with my mind09:30
cbx33cbx33 ogra is <reply> a very handsome ubuntu developer09:30
cbx33edubuntugirl cbx33: I already know stuff about what ogra is09:30
edubuntugirlcbx33: excuse me?09:30
highvoltagecbx33: you can do this...09:30
cbx33got a link to the edubuntu artowrk wallpapers :p09:31
highvoltageedubuntugirl: ogra is also a very handsome ubuntu developer09:31
edubuntugirlhighvoltage: gotcha09:31
highvoltagecbx33: note the "also"09:31
highvoltageedubuntugirl: ogra09:31
highvoltageedubuntugirl: ogra09:31
edubuntugirlogra is Mr. Edubuntu09:31
edubuntugirlogra is Mr. Edubuntu09:31
highvoltageedubuntugirl: literal ogra09:31
edubuntugirlogra =is= Oliver Grawert|Mr. Edubuntu|a very handsome ubuntu developer09:31
cbx33nice work09:31
highvoltagei didn't do much, it's just a pretty default knab so far :)09:31
ograedubuntugirl, seen ogra09:32
edubuntugirlogra was last seen on #edubuntu 36 years, 124 days, 19 hours, 36 minutes and 41 seconds ago, saying: heh [Thu Jan  1 01:59:59 1970] 09:32
highvoltagehmmm.. i think my computer's time is out :)09:32
ogra36 years ago09:32
highvoltagelong time IRC'er :)09:32
ograthast pretty close to my birthday09:32
cbx33edubuntugirl, artwork?09:33
edubuntugirlcbx33: *blink*09:33
LaserJockogra: you've been doing Edubuntu for that long? ;-)09:33
cbx33edubuntugirl, cbx3309:33
edubuntugirlcbx33 is Pete Savage09:33
cbx33oooh :p09:33
edubuntugirlogra, i would hug you, but I have no arms :(09:33
ograedubuntugirl, artwork is <reply> me in breezy !09:34
edubuntugirlogra: okay09:34
cbx33ogra, has a new girlfriend09:34
ograedubuntugirl, artwork 09:34
edubuntugirlme in breezy !09:34
cbx33edubuntugirl, edubuntugirl 09:35
edubuntugirlcbx33: *blink*09:35
ogracbx33, hrm, my GF heard that ... now she's jealous09:35
LaserJockogra: she shouldn't be jealous of a bot09:36
ograi spend more time on IRC than in RL :)09:36
LaserJockogra: although my wife told me to divorce my computer no to long ago :-)09:36
cbx33LaserJock, I get the same09:36
edubuntugirlubotu: private message09:38
ubotuok ;)09:38
highvoltageedubuntugirl: behave09:39
edubuntugirli'll try ;)09:39
cbx33are we ok to use stock photos in our wallpapers09:40
highvoltageyou're right, she's way too cheecky.09:40
cbx33as long as we pay for them?09:40
highvoltagewhat do you mean?09:40
lucasvoscx.hu is very good and free09:40
cbx33highvoltage, working on some new wallpapers - well my wife is09:41
cbx33we sometimes use pics from istockphoto09:41
cbx33but is that ok in this case?09:42
highvoltagenot sure, edubuntu can only ship something if it's under a free license.09:42
highvoltageso if you could re-license a photo from there, it would be possible09:42
highvoltagecheck the conditions on the site. i think that would be your best bet.09:42
ograit must be creative commons v2 by sa iirc09:43
ograits somewhere on the wiki09:43
cbx33ok, np I'll either use my photos or hers if we use any09:43
highvoltageogra: is that our doc license too?09:44
ogramight be09:45
ograin any case its our artwork license 09:45
highvoltageedubuntugirl: artwork license09:45
ograi'm not sure we switched to gpl for dpcs09:45
edubuntugirlartwork license is http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.509:45
ograah, nice09:45
LaserJockthe doc team does dual GFDL/CC-SA licenses for docs09:46
ograi think cc-sa is only because of the pics10:00
cbx33i can totally relate to that10:01
cbx33lisa (my wife) is doing some kewl cartoon drawings for the wallpaper10:01
ogranice !10:01
ograi really doubt the visual studio curve reaches the vim one even remotely in reality though10:05
edubuntugirli like cartoons.10:06
cbx33really, do you really :p10:06
=== cbx33 hugs edubuntugirl
=== edubuntugirl hugs cbx33
=== edubuntugirl hugs ogra too
cbx33i thought we had a special thing edubuntugirl 10:08
=== cbx33 sulks
cbx33just cos ogra is the handsome one :p10:08
edubuntugirlcbx33: sorry...10:08
=== edubuntugirl can't wait to meet flint, i've heard so much about him.
ograedubuntugirl, flint10:16
edubuntugirlflint is a real pain in the... erm.. flint is Paul Flint10:16
highvoltageedubuntugirl: don't you think you're too harsh on him?10:17
edubuntugirlhighvoltage: I'm not following you...10:17
highvoltageedubuntugirl: mdz10:17
edubuntugirlmdz is an oppertunistic troublemaker10:17
ograhighvoltage, she should tell you about FITS if you ask for flint10:17
highvoltagewell, that comes from his launchpad page, at least.10:17
highvoltagewhat is FITS again?10:18
ograoppertunistic ?10:18
ogrado you write it with e in english ? 10:18
cbx33highvoltage, who has permission to add knowledge to edubuntugirl 10:19
highvoltagehmmm... typo10:19
highvoltagecbx33: anyone, really10:19
cbx33do you have to type it in this channel or can you pm10:19
highvoltageedubuntugirl: no, mds is an opportunistic troublemaker, see https://launchpad.net/people/mdz10:20
edubuntugirlhighvoltage: gotcha10:20
highvoltageedubuntugirl: no, mdz is an opportunistic troublemaker, see https://launchpad.net/people/mdz10:20
edubuntugirlhighvoltage: gotcha10:20
cbx33edubuntugirl, cbx3310:20
highvoltageedubuntugirl: forget mds10:20
edubuntugirlcbx33 is Pete Savage10:20
edubuntugirlhighvoltage: I forgot mds10:20
cbx33edubuntugirl, cbx3310:21
edubuntugirlcbx33 is Pete Savage10:21
ograedubuntugirl, flint10:22
edubuntugirlflint is a real pain in the... erm.. flint is Paul Flint10:22
cbx33edubuntugirl, cbx3310:22
edubuntugirlcbx33 is the edubuntu general dogsbody - no job too small10:22
highvoltageedubuntugirl: literal flint10:23
edubuntugirlflint =is= Paul Flint|a real pain in the... erm.. flint is Paul Flint10:23
highvoltagestrange that she picks the last one all the time.10:23
cbx33highvoltage, should it randomise10:23
edubuntugirlflint brings that out in me.10:24
ograhighvoltage, i was just pointed to the fact that the flint text might be roughly on the edge of CoC-ness10:27
highvoltageedubuntugirl: forget flint10:28
edubuntugirlhighvoltage: I'm over flint10:28
highvoltageedubuntugirl: flint is Paul Flint10:28
edubuntugirlhighvoltage: gotcha10:28
highvoltageogra: sorry, edubuntugirl will behave from now on.10:30
ogranah, the text was funny :) 10:30
=== edubuntugirl blames highvoltage
ograwe should just adjust it a bit and add the flint induced tourette syndrome to it ;)10:31
highvoltageedubuntugirl: edubuntugirl /tourette/10:32
edubuntugirlhighvoltage: *blink*10:32
cbx33see ya tomorrow everyone10:44
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edubuntugirlhi pygi 11:00
pygihi edubuntugirl11:00
edubuntugirlhello, pygi!11:00
pygiwhat's up? 11:01
edubuntugirlnot much. just hanging around.11:01
edubuntugirlpygi: what's your name?11:02
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pygiwhy? what I did? you are not from fbi, aren't you? 11:02
pygiI haven't stoled that apple, I tell you, I haven't...11:02
pygireally :P11:02
highvoltagepygi: edubuntugirl is our channel bot.11:03
pygiso? :P11:03
edubuntugirlso i can tell whether you're lying or not.11:03
pygiyea, yea, whatever 11:04
pygihighvoltage: how is the writing coming along?11:04
highvoltagepygi: *sigh*11:04
pygiI will take that as no good =P11:04
highvoltagepygi: well, i'm on leave from tomorrow to monday, so it's very likely that i'll get a big bit done over the weekend11:04
pygijoy 11:05
pygiI haven't seen hedgemage in a  while tho 11:05
pygihighvoltage: ah, once this book is written, a relief for a while :) then writing for edgy 11:11
highvoltageshould be going better once it gets some momentum11:12
pygiyup, much better =P11:12
pygiogra: I "started" hacking the s-c-p today =P11:13
ograhey cool11:13
pygiI thought that contains much more code, but it turned out to be quite simple 11:14
ograedubuntugirl, s-c-p is student-control-panel, bzr archive under people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/bzr-archive/student-control-panel-0.1/, spec under https://wiki.edubuntu.org/TeachersPet11:15
edubuntugirlogra: sure thing11:15
ograedubuntugirl, s-c-p11:15
edubuntugirls-c-p is student-control-panel, bzr archive under people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/bzr-archive/student-control-panel-0.1/, spec under https://wiki.edubuntu.org/TeachersPet11:15
pygiogra: the key thingy...does it have to be from ubuntu-member or from a -dev?11:16
ograany valid key signing yours will do11:16
ograpygi, also please use bzr for the deveolpment, so i can merge your changes easily11:17
pygiogra: ah, so it doesn't have to be someone from ubuntu?11:17
pygiogra: I'll try to setup bzr somewhere...11:18
ogranay valid key thats signed and on a keyserver11:18
pygiogra: ah, that will be much easier 11:20
highvoltagegoodnight ogra and pygi11:21
highvoltagegoodnight, edubuntugirl 11:21
edubuntugirlgoodnight, highvoltage. I'll keep an eye out for the MS spies while you sleep.11:21
pyginight highvoltage11:21
ograciao highvoltage 11:22
pygiogra: the key thingy should be solved at the morning tommorow11:24
ogracool !11:25
pygialso, how much people do I need to force to back me up to candidate for that CC thingy ?:)11:26
pyginot that I think I stand a chance with so greater and better contributors then me, but still =P11:27
pygiI don't have a clue about anything, after all 11:27
ograyou work on the cookbook, dont you ?11:27
pygiyes, so? =P11:28
pygithat's nothing 11:28
ograthats something 11:28
ograworking on s-c-p is also a valuable contribution ;)11:29
LaserJockogra: do you have an edubuntu council yet?11:29
ograLaserJock, see the ML11:29
ograwe're preparing :)11:30
pygiogra: until I see s-c-p in version 2.0, none contribution I value 11:30
ograLaserJock, still looking for community members who want to join the council ;)11:30
=== pygi wants to join =P
ograpygi, i fear you need to be member for some time first11:31
pygibah =P11:31
LaserJockogra: I'd be interested but I don't have a lot of Edubuntu experience yet11:31
pygiogra: ok, will do 11:31
LaserJockogra: but hopefully with Edgy I'll get lots. I'd really like to see Edubuntu tackles university environments11:32
ograLaserJock, the voting will be done by the community (i hope) so you could try ;)11:33
ograyou dont need much experience for a council job :)11:33
ograit will mainly be the approval of new members in the beginning, problems will still go to the CC11:34
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pygiogra: perhaps we should also write a "classroom looks like", where the computers/users can be organised in rows, where they sit, etc11:37
LaserJockogra: would I have to be at every meeting?  10:00 UTC is like 03:00 local for me11:38
ograLaserJock, only once a month #11:38
LaserJockyeah, I'm reading it11:38

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