[01:01] <HedgeMage> okay folks, really dumb question: how do I take screen shots during the install, and where are they found once I've taken them?  (for the install chapter I'm working on)
[01:08] <ogra> you'll need a vm
[01:08] <ogra> qemu or vmware
[01:09] <HedgeMage> haven't done that before, but I'm sure I can figure it out
[01:10] <ogra> qemu is a major PITA ....
[01:10] <ogra> plan several hours for one install to finish (if you have a fast machine as host)
[01:11] <HedgeMage> oh fun
[01:12] <ogra> yep
[01:12] <ogra> but you can take highvolatges shots, they are fine 
[01:13] <ogra> http://proto.edubuntu.org/gettingstarted
[01:13] <HedgeMage> cool
[01:13] <HedgeMage> that'll save quite a bit of time
[01:13] <HedgeMage> be back later... have errands to run
[01:13] <ogra> please ignore the resolution screenshot
[01:13] <ogra> that only happens if your monitor has a broken bios
[01:14] <ogra> and admin as the admin username might also lead to problems 
[01:15] <ogra> the default sudoers group is called admin ... might have unpredictable side effects (even it *shouldnt* but you never know)
[01:16] <HedgeMage> I'll walk through an install on a spare box when I have time, write the doc, then test it with the newbie friend I mentioned :)
[01:16] <HedgeMage> anyhow, I need a shower, then I'm out of here 
[01:16] <ogra> the initial CD bootscreen will change as well ... the server menuoption will disappear or get renamed
[01:16] <ogra> enjoy
[06:38] <no_no_no> can anyone point me to a really really basic walkthrough? for setting up edubuntu in a lab?
[06:39] <no_no_no> anyone here can help?
[06:41] <crimsun> ask in four hours.
[06:41] <no_no_no> lol
[06:41] <crimsun> no, I'm serious. More people in EU will be awake.
[06:41] <no_no_no> ahh okay
[06:42] <Ekushey> no_no_no: what exactly do u want to know?
[06:42] <no_no_no> im trying to set up edubuntu clients
[06:42] <no_no_no> ive followed these directions on the server
[06:42] <no_no_no> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ThinClientHowtoNAT
[06:43] <no_no_no> now im trying to figure out how to get the clients to boot off it.. if they cant network boot
[06:43] <no_no_no> i nee to put something on a floppy and put it on the HD
[06:43] <no_no_no> and so i have this : 
[06:43] <no_no_no> http://ltsp.org/documentation/ltsp-4.1/ltsp-4.1-en.html#AEN618
[06:44] <no_no_no> but im lost...
[06:44] <no_no_no> im at rom-o-matic and it wants me to choose an NIC/ROM type! omg
[06:44] <no_no_no> what **IS** this?
[06:48] <no_no_no> :/
[06:48] <no_no_no> it say:
[06:48] <no_no_no> #  Load the linux kernel into the memory of the workstation. This can be done several different ways, including:
[06:48] <no_no_no>    1. Bootrom (Etherboot,PXE,MBA,Netboot)
[06:48] <no_no_no>    2. Floppy
[06:48] <no_no_no>    3. Hard disk
[06:48] <no_no_no>    4. CD-ROM
[06:48] <no_no_no>    5. USB Memory device
[06:48] <no_no_no>  i wanna put it on the HD.
[06:49] <no_no_no> and then it say:
[06:49] <no_no_no> # Hard disk
[06:49] <no_no_no> The hard disk can be used with LILO or GRUB, to load the Linux kernel and initrd. OR, you can load the Etherboot bootrom image from the hard disk, and it will act like a bootrom.
[06:59] <Ekushey> no_no_no: why r u using the live cd?
[07:02] <no_no_no> huh?
[07:02] <no_no_no> im not.
[07:02] <no_no_no> i found help
[07:02] <no_no_no> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation/BootingClientsWithoutPxe
[08:58] <aaron__> anyone here can help?
[09:32] <lucasvo> aaron__: ask a specific question, please
[09:34] <aaron__> heya
[09:34] <aaron__> im trying to get edubuntu to  work .. im booting from PXE and theres an error 17 with grub
[09:35] <lucasvo> what's error 17?
[09:35] <lucasvo> what does it say?
[09:35] <lucasvo> hi cbx33 !
[09:35] <cbx33> hi lucasvo 
[10:41] <noodleman> hey
[10:41] <noodleman> i keep getting a "killed" message repeating when i install anyone know why?
[10:51] <cbx33> did give us a chance to answer
[10:51] <cbx33> didn;t
[11:16] <lucasvo> ogra: is there already a spec on how to implement localdevices on ltsp?
[11:16] <lucasvo> e.g. usb storage
[11:16] <ogra> lucasvo, nope, as i said yesterday
[11:17] <lucasvo> when did you  say that?
[11:18] <cbx33> ogra: good morning
[11:18] <cbx33> has someone mentioned about the ltsp boot splash still saying ubuntu and not edubuntu?
[11:18] <cbx33> is this something that will be changed
[11:18] <ogra> cbx33, i'd like to, i'm not sure if its to intrusive
[11:19] <ogra> lucasvo, yesterday, before jono cam in i think
[11:21] <cbx33> ogra: do you know how the authentication works in ltsp?
[11:21] <ogra> ??
[11:21] <cbx33> when you log in
[11:24] <ogra> ssh
[11:25] <cbx33> I'm a little confused, how much is stored in the ltsp root
[11:25] <cbx33> if I install something on the main machine....it still turns up in the ltsp root
[11:26] <cbx33> does that make sense
[11:26] <lucasvo> cbx33: how do you mean that?
[11:26] <cbx33> well I was logged on last night....after it had finished installing
[11:26] <cbx33> and I installed xchat
[11:26] <lucasvo> and?
[11:26] <cbx33> now when i log on as a client i have access to that 
[11:27] <cbx33> i thought I had to chroot into the ltsp root to install software there?
[11:27] <lucasvo> cbx33: thats the reason why one should use thin clients
[11:27] <lucasvo> the applications are installed und executed on the server
[11:27] <cbx33> that's why I'm confused.....what does the ltsp root actually do then
[11:28] <cbx33> if I can install apps as normal
[11:28] <lucasvo> the client is only a minimal system with X-server which connnects over an ssh tunnel to the server
[11:28] <cbx33> right i see
[11:28] <cbx33> so the ltsp root is just that to run the X-client
[11:28] <lucasvo> yes
[11:29] <cbx33> right.......
[11:31] <ogra> imagine the thin client as mouse/keyboard/monitor extension of the server, nothing more
[11:32] <lucasvo> cbx33: you know the X system with server/client?
[11:32] <cbx33> yes
[11:33] <lucasvo> X-client is on the server
[11:33] <lucasvo> X-server is on the client
[11:33] <cbx33> right
[11:41] <pips1> is there a browsable listing of universe packages of dapper on the web somewhere?
[11:42] <pips1> i.e. similar to the browsable debian package web pages...
[11:43] <ogra> packages.ubuntu.com you mean ? 
[11:50] <pips1> ogra, thanks, that's what i was looking for... but it doesn't list dapper packages yet?
[11:50] <ogra> they only list releases
[11:51] <pips1> ah
[11:51] <pips1> how can I check which version of a certain package will be in dapper-universe?
[11:54] <ogra> you cant
[11:54] <ogra> it might still get updated
[11:55] <ogra> (thats why packages.u.c only has released versions)
[11:58] <pips1> ogra, but I guess I could browse the packages from within a dapper beta live cd, no?
[11:59] <pips1> in synaptic
[12:00] <pips1> (I don't currently have that cd here...)
[12:00] <pips1> ?
[12:02] <ogra> sure
[12:02] <ogra> but that still wont tell you if we update a package the next 5 weeks or not :)
[12:09] <cbx33> ogra: got that fix for me to test with the clock skew yet?
[12:10] <cbx33> and were those updates ok?
[12:10] <ogra> cbx33, nope, that has to wait ...
[12:10] <ogra> they started building a beta2
[12:10] <cbx33> crikey, ok.......
[12:10] <cbx33> same for the updates?
[12:11] <cbx33> need a hand with anything?
[12:16] <cbx33> is it a known bug in breezy OO that you can't print off from a .doc or a .rtf, but you can from a .odt ??
[12:16] <ogra> it needs testing indeed :)
[12:16] <cbx33> as soon as I resave a file I can print it
[12:17] <ogra> no idea, i rarely use ooo
[12:17] <ogra> (i dont even keep it installed)
[12:17] <cbx33> hehe
[12:17] <cbx33> well, working in a school it's kind of a must for me: :p
[12:17] <ogra> its a space hog ...
[12:17] <cbx33> indeed it is
[12:17] <ogra> i need the space for development usually :)
[12:18] <cbx33> but for some a necessary space hog
[12:19] <cbx33> I'll be available to test whenever you need it
[12:20] <cbx33> and anything else you can throw at me.....
[12:22] <ogra> will still take some hours until the first isos are ready
[12:24] <cbx33> np
[12:28] <cbx33> ogra: seems like you never get a rest :p
[12:28] <cbx33> why the wuick turnaround?
[12:28] <cbx33> *quick?
[12:30] <ogra> there is an evil bug in the liveCD installer that wipes your partition table in certain situations
[12:30] <cbx33> bugger
[12:30] <cbx33> I'm glad I did't try that out
[12:31] <cbx33> but my VM wouldn't have minded :p
[12:39] <cbx33> ogra: you gonna be able to make the meeting?
[12:52] <ogra> cbx33, I PARTIALLY HOLD THE MEETING
[12:52] <ogra> whoops
[12:52] <ogra> sorry, capslock freked out
[12:52] <ogra> *freaked
[12:53] <blugtu> hi ogra :)
[12:53] <blugtu> im bluekuja^^
[12:54] <blugtu> hi cbx33
[12:54] <ogra> hi
[12:54] <cbx33> how do we know that blugtu :p
[12:54] <cbx33> you could be an evil imposter :p
[12:55] <blugtu> hehehe
[12:55] <blugtu> yes
[12:55] <cbx33> you...are....
[12:55] <cbx33> Bluekuja never laughs like that
[12:55] <blugtu> lol
[12:55] <cbx33> ogra: can you remove the oik please :p
[12:55] <blugtu> if you want i can talk in italian 
[12:55] <blugtu> hehe :)
[12:55] <ogra> oik ? 
[12:56] <cbx33> urchin?
[12:56] <cbx33> how does urchin grab you
[12:56] <blugtu> oliver meeting at 2 o'clock?
[12:57] <blugtu> pete how is going with the channel?
[12:57] <cbx33> good, I announced it today, every was very thankful
[12:57] <blugtu> good
[12:57] <blugtu> :)
[12:58] <cbx33> but i forgot to setup CGIIRC so I can get in there
[12:58] <blugtu> later ill create you 
[12:58] <blugtu> the radio channel
[12:58] <blugtu> ;)
[12:58] <cbx33> thank you
[12:58] <blugtu> np man
[12:58] <blugtu> you're welcome
[12:58] <cbx33> we almost have a preview episode ready :D
[12:58] <blugtu> ehhe
[12:58] <blugtu> pete you didnt believe me before?
[12:59] <cbx33> ahhhh maybe I do now
[12:59] <cbx33> :p
[12:59] <blugtu> hehe yes
[12:59] <blugtu> im away from home
[12:59] <cbx33> or maybe some has hacked your network and was readying our conversations yesterday
[12:59] <blugtu> lol
[12:59] <blugtu> no there are 
[12:59] <blugtu> a lot of security
[01:00] <blugtu> checks
[01:00] <blugtu> ^^
[01:00] <blugtu> pete 1 hour for te meeting?
[01:00] <cbx33> yes
[01:01] <cbx33> I love meetings :D
[01:01] <blugtu> lol
[01:01] <blugtu> agenda?
[01:01] <cbx33> standard agenda
[01:01] <blugtu> oh okie
[01:01] <blugtu> i go to eat 
[01:01] <blugtu> i just finished
[01:01] <blugtu> see you later
[01:01] <blugtu> cya
[01:13] <cbx33> hi highvoltage 
[01:15] <blugtu> hey highvoltage
[01:15] <blugtu> good morning/afternoon ^^
[01:41] <JaneW> **REMINDER** Edubuntu Update meeting in 20 mins in #ubuntu-meeting
[01:44] <blugtu> JaneW ,which are agenda items?
[01:45] <ogra> blugtu, same as always ...
[01:45] <highvoltage> hi blugtu / cbx33 
[01:45] <blugtu> perfect oliver
[01:45] <blugtu> hi jon
[01:45] <blugtu> :)
[01:45] <ogra> not perfect :)
[01:45] <ogra> we'll need to change that
[01:45] <highvoltage> ah, blugtu = bluekaja?
[01:45] <blugtu> yep
[01:45] <blugtu> yep jon im bluekuja
[01:45] <blugtu> :)
[01:46] <blugtu> yes ogra ,an edubuntu agenda would be nice
[01:46] <blugtu> ^^
[01:46] <ogra> blugtu, yes, but the static agenda was sufficient for the last 7 months ...
[01:47] <blugtu> tep thats true
[01:47] <blugtu> *yep
[01:47] <cbx33> heheh
[01:48] <blugtu> highvoltage : drupal translation is no more needed?
[01:48] <highvoltage> blugtu: it's needed, we just don't have the infrastructure :/
[01:48] <blugtu> oh okie
[01:48] <blugtu> it will be available soon ?
[01:48] <ogra> is LP account management in place already ?
[01:49] <blugtu> or in the next future?
[01:49] <blugtu> im alwais ready for that , so jon just ask me when its available ,
[01:49] <highvoltage> blugtu: hedgemadge knows someone who's working on something, apparently the newer version of drupal will have better translations support. worst case scenario, we do something manual and hacky.
[01:49] <blugtu> in LP
[01:50] <cbx33> ogra: there's a slight bug in ltsp
[01:50] <blugtu> ok then
[01:50] <highvoltage> blugtu: although, if you want to manually start translating some pages, go ahead
[01:50] <cbx33> but it could be intentional
[01:50] <highvoltage> blugtu: we could consider having an it.edubuntu.org, or something similar
[01:50] <blugtu> ok perfect
[01:50] <ogra> cbx33, ?
[01:50] <blugtu> wiki space will be on ubuntu-it.org website
[01:50] <cbx33> the ltsp client splash screen is ubuntu not edubuntu
[01:50] <cbx33> but thereis the theme available
[01:50] <blugtu> also mailing list
[01:51] <ogra> *sigh*
[01:51] <cbx33> the symlink is wrong
[01:51] <cbx33> it's a simple symlink change
[01:51] <ogra> nope
[01:51] <cbx33> want me to investigate?
[01:51] <ogra> its not
[01:51] <ogra> no
[01:51] <cbx33> ok
[01:51] <ogra> i know the problewm
[01:51] <cbx33> sorry
[01:51] <highvoltage> cbx33: ogra knows what needs to happen, and how it needs to happen :)
[01:51] <ogra> we talked about it before
[01:52] <cbx33> oh right....my apologies
[01:52] <blugtu> highvoltage: we are setting up all things to put something online ,initially there will be a link in the homepage, that will go to edubuntu space with some basic informations, next ill translate getting started space for ogra
[01:52] <ogra> edubuntu-artwork-usplash isnt installed in the chroot
[01:52] <cbx33> i just did a simple fix by modifying the /etc/alternatives/ldm-theme symlink
[01:52] <cbx33> ah i see
[01:52] <ogra> thats something different
[01:53] <blugtu> ogra: how is going with the getting started page?
[01:53] <cbx33> that's what i meant.....the login screen
[01:53] <ogra> indeed thats trivial, but a symlink is wrong, you broke it ;)
[01:53] <blugtu> almost done
[01:53] <blugtu> ?
[01:53] <cbx33> oh
[01:53] <cbx33> :(
[01:53] <ogra> use update-alternatives ldm-theme in the chroot
[01:53] <cbx33> i wanted to customise it for our school
[01:53] <cbx33> ok
[01:53] <cbx33> will do...
[01:54] <ogra> no need to wiki that
[01:54] <ogra> edubuntu-artwork will care for it
[01:54] <cbx33> ah ok
[01:54] <blugtu> ogra: ?
[01:55] <ogra> cbx33, nah, you cant know my todo list :)
[01:56] <blugtu> ogra: is the getting started page done and rdy for translations?
[01:57] <ogra> blugtu, nope
[01:57] <blugtu> okie, just ping me when its done
[02:03] <cbx33> i used the update alternatives and ....now ....it ...died
[02:49] <cbx33> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/ltsp-server/+bug/32066 - ogra is this to be closed now appears to be solved
[02:49] <ogra> not yet
[02:50] <ogra> oh
[02:50] <ogra> yes, this one can be closed
[02:50] <ogra> i thought you pointed to the time shift one
[02:53] <ogra> closed
[02:58] <cbx33> heheh
[03:00] <cbx33> nice
[03:01] <ogra> yay our first candidate on the page !
[03:01] <cbx33> I aim to please
[03:01] <cbx33> ogra: I uploaded my hackergotchi :p
[03:01] <cbx33> hehehehehe
[03:01] <ogra> hey sfllaw 
[03:01] <sfllaw> Hey.
[03:01] <ogra> ohhh#
[03:01] <sfllaw> So I read the tail end of your meeting.
[03:01] <cbx33> noooo
[03:02] <ogra> heh, nice haircut :)
[03:02] <cbx33> haha
[03:02] <cbx33> tony from hantslug constantly ribs me about it
[03:03] <ogra> :)
[03:03] <cbx33> I'm not as handsome as you though ogra 
[03:03] <cbx33> :p
[03:03] <ogra> bah, indeed you are 
[03:03] <sfllaw> And it occurs to me that I should get a feel for how you guys handle bugs.
[03:04] <ogra> sfllaw, not at all until you came 
[03:04] <ogra> edubuntu bugs were my private pleasure
[03:04] <cbx33> heheh
[03:04] <sfllaw> What constitutes an Edubuntu bug?
[03:04] <ogra> with you appearing on the scene we created the edubuntu bugsquad
[03:04] <sfllaw> Wow.
[03:05] <sfllaw> So, like on Monday?
[03:05] <sfllaw> I only found out about BugSquads then too.
[03:05] <ogra> the app is a dependency of edubuntu-dekto or edubuntu-server and not in ubuntu 
[03:05] <ogra> so things like gcompris, kdeedu and the tux4kids apps ... as well as kino, blender and scibus 
[03:05] <ogra> it think thats it already
[03:06] <ogra> for ltsp bugs it depends if its install related (edubuntu) or in any other area of ltsp (ubuntu)
[03:06] <cbx33> ogra: know if ardour is in ubuntu univser?
[03:06] <sfllaw> Wait a second, gcompris is in optional.
[03:06] <ogra> doesnt matter
[03:07] <ogra> we dont change the debian sections
[03:07] <sfllaw> So the "not in Ubuntu" is not particularly important.
[03:07] <ogra> cbx33, ardour-gtk ?
[03:07] <cbx33> yes
[03:07] <ogra> sfllaw, nope
[03:07] <ogra> edubuntu-{desktop, server} is what counts
[03:08] <sfllaw> All right.
[03:08] <ogra> sfllaw, http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/seeds/edubuntu-dapper/desktop
[03:08] <ogra> look for "= EduBuntu specific Software ="
[03:08] <ogra> the list below counts
[03:09] <ogra> and http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/seeds/edubuntu-dapper/server
[03:10] <ogra> (apart from ltsp, which is ubuntu, but including ltsp installer bugs which is specific for edubuntu)
[03:10] <sfllaw> All right.  Thanks!
[03:10] <ogra> :)
[03:11] <ogra> sfllaw, https://launchpad.net/people/edubuntu-bugs is the bugsquad you can subscribe to these bugs
[03:12] <sfllaw> ogra: And this group of people _fix_ bugs?
[03:12] <zakame> hi all
[03:12] <ogra> sfllaw, the _triage_ bugs
[03:13] <ogra> in the end i mostly fix them
[03:13] <sfllaw> OK.  The team description's a little misleading.
[03:13] <highvoltage> just got an update from znarl, he said the proto to www update will take place tomorrow morning, 9UTC
[03:13] <ogra> edubuntu is a bit lacking in developer power, it just starts getting better
[03:13] <highvoltage> JaneW: ^^^
[03:13] <ogra> yay
[03:13] <cbx33> ogra: I'll be helping as soon as I learn enough
[03:14] <ogra> sfllaw, future target is that this group does whats described there
[03:14] <sfllaw> ogra: Do you mind touching it up so people won't get confused?  See https://launchpad.net/people/bugsquad for an example?
[03:14] <cbx33> do you need any of these bugs confirming, or need more information?
[03:14] <sfllaw> Well, let's not count our chickens before they hatch.
[03:14] <lucasvo> highvoltage: btw, in safari the page doesn't go over 100% widht, is that meant ot be like this?
[03:15] <JaneW> highvoltage: cool, I'll be on standby for the countdown :)
[03:16] <ogra> sfllaw, updates
[03:16] <ogra> sfllaw, updated
[03:16] <cbx33> highvoltage: is the search feature going to work when the update happens?
[03:16] <sfllaw> ogra: Excellent!  You rock.
[03:16] <cbx33> ogra: do you need any of the edubuntu bugs confirming, or need more information?
[03:16] <JaneW> ogra: I showed some artwork samples to independent ppl as in the meeting
[03:17] <JaneW> here's the response
[03:17] <JaneW> Raven i like the chalk one
[03:17] <JaneW> Raven but mostly cos i think the other would be insulting to people older than 0
[03:17] <JaneW> Raven 10
[03:17] <JaneW> Nuffing Raven: target age of 6-10
[03:17] <ogra> cbx33, the open ones are all on my radar ... find the ones that arent assigned to edubuntu yet
[03:17] <cbx33> ok
[03:17] <JaneW> Raven nods, 6-10s might like something less boring
[03:17] <JaneW> Nuffing Raven: I agree
[03:17] <ogra> JaneW, which is "the other one" ?
[03:18] <JaneW> I showed him the children of edubuntu as the other
[03:18] <ogra> ah
[03:18] <JaneW> and asked which was better
[03:18] <ogra> but thats not compareable
[03:18] <JaneW> as an adult he said chalkboard as the best of 2 bad choices
[03:18] <JaneW> and then conceded that it's too boring for kids
[03:19] <ogra> you should rather have showed him/her the yellow neutral one 
[03:19] <ogra> or the marbles
[03:19] <JaneW> yes, I'll do that
[03:23] <JaneW> *boing*
[03:31] <JaneW> http://www.learningelectric.com/newpage.html
[03:31] <JaneW> very nice ^^^
[03:32] <JaneW> should I asked him to say edu BOON TOO instead of BUN tu
[03:32] <ogra> bah, flash
[03:32] <JaneW> yes, unfortunately ...
[03:33] <ogra> cant people use a format i can view ? 
[03:34] <cbx33> oh dear
[03:42] <JaneW> it's very well done
[03:45] <pips1> edu BUN tu ... LOL
[03:45] <JaneW> all North Americans insist on say You BUN to
[03:45] <JaneW> it;s very funny
[03:45] <pips1> nice flash movie, though
[03:46] <JaneW> but then I have grown up with the real pronounciation, so maybe that's why it's funny to me.
[03:46] <JaneW> yes it's great
[03:49] <pips1> his North American pronunciation is quite pronounced :-)
[03:50] <JaneW> actually he says ed a bun too
[03:51] <ogra> eat a bun too ?
[03:51] <cbx33> are you a bun too
[03:51] <cbx33> say the members of youthlug
[03:52] <JaneW> heh
[03:53] <JaneW> http://www.flickr.com/photos/13916877@N00/132437294/
[03:53] <cbx33> D
[03:53] <cbx33> :D
[04:02] <cbx33> ogra: how are you edfinied edubuntu bugs that are assigned to edubuntu...ones that are speficically assigned to you?
[04:03] <ogra> the ones that are assigned to me already are fine as they are 
[04:03] <cbx33> so any that are not assigned to you you are not aware of?
[04:03] <ogra> see my description for sfllaw above
[04:03] <cbx33> ok
[04:04] <ogra> i'm subscribed to packages like ltsp, where i often forget to assign them to me
[04:04] <ogra> but work on them
[04:04] <cbx33> ok
[04:04] <cbx33> i was gonna do a quick scan for edubuntu bugs and assign them if they seem relevant
[04:04] <ogra> this subscription function in malone is pretty evil
[04:04] <ogra> because you tend to forget to assign the bugs
[04:05] <ogra> thats great :)
[04:08] <lucasvo> waaaa
[04:09] <lucasvo> why do you use a win98 theme for the "Loading Kernel" on the Desktop CD?
[04:09] <ogra> ??
[04:10] <lucasvo> yup, when you press "Start Edubuntu" a dialog with blue titlebar, grey background and blue status bar appears
[04:10] <ogra> thats hardcoded in gfxboot
[04:10] <lucasvo> :(
[04:10] <ogra> you only see it for ~3 seconds
[04:10] <lucasvo> ogra: is there a wiki page on testing the beta cd?
[04:11] <ogra> nope
[04:11] <lucasvo> hm, I thought I have seen one.
[04:11] <cbx33> ogra: assigned a few bugs to you
[04:11] <cbx33> marked one as a duplicate
[04:11] <ogra> great
[04:12] <ogra> please assign them to the edubuntu-bugs team in the future
[04:12] <ogra> in case i get hit by a bus at least other people know about them
[04:12] <cbx33> sorry ogra I can go thourgh and redo them
[04:12] <cbx33> thought you were marking them all for you still
[04:12] <ogra> i'm also in the edubuntu -bugs team ;)
[04:13] <cbx33> yes
[04:15] <cbx33> want me to go through and change them?
[04:17] <cbx33> i wish the karma page linked you through to bugs that you worked on
[04:23] <highvoltage> ogra: i was refering to:
[04:23] <highvoltage> 14:37 < ogra> no idea, but its not much different from https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDapperTheme/JonathanCarter/chalk
[04:23] <highvoltage> in #ubuntu-meeting :)
[04:23] <ogra> i dont like chalkboards at all :) but i didnt say yours is shitty
[04:24] <ogra> and yours gives a rough impression of the berlin wall
[04:24] <highvoltage> ok, meant that in jest anyway ;)
[04:25] <ogra> :)
[04:26] <lucasvo> can I run the Desktop CD in oem mode?
[04:26] <cbx33> OEM mode?
[04:27] <lucasvo> the blue-bg textmode installer
[04:27] <cbx33> ah
[04:27] <cbx33> I've never used the graphical one :p
[04:27] <cbx33> I just used the text one by default :p
[04:27] <lucasvo> I could do it on the early builds with espresso, but I can't find the option in the beta
[04:29] <ogra> lucasvo, no idea
[04:30] <ogra> to be honest i didnt put any time into the live CD installer since its not really intresting for us
[04:30] <lucasvo> so how am I supposed to install edubuntu on a system with little ram?
[04:30] <ogra> with the edubuntu CD
[04:30] <ogra> the liveCD is a goodie ...
[04:30] <lucasvo> the desktop one?
[04:31] <ogra> you wont be able to order it 
[04:31] <lucasvo> livecd sucks :)
[04:31] <lucasvo> my pc is too weak for it
[04:31] <ogra> no, not at all, i'd prefer to have a liveCD only
[04:31] <highvoltage> ogra: how so?
[04:31] <ogra> but that wouldnt work with ltsp
[04:32] <ogra> highvoltage, how what ? 
[04:32] <highvoltage> ogra: why would you prefer to have a liveCD only?
[04:33] <ogra> highvoltage, because it would be easier :)
[04:33] <lucasvo> ogra: well when I run espresso with debug=1 I get no output
[04:33] <highvoltage> ok, i quite like d-i, boots quicker too :)
[04:34] <ogra> lucasvo, as i said i didnt put time into ubiquity and wont do more than a test install with it
[04:36] <cbx33> ogra: I must admit I love the live CD's
[04:37] <cbx33> I was working on knoppix live cd customisation a while back
[04:37] <cbx33> we should get a live cd ltsp server
[04:37] <cbx33> woudn't be too hard 
[04:37] <cbx33> :p
[04:37] <ogra> its trivial
[04:37] <ogra> but no fun at all
[04:37] <cbx33> so ogra what wonderful new projects are coming in eft
[04:38] <ogra> mounting the clients / via NFS is already slow 
[04:38] <cbx33> true
[04:38] <ogra> mounting the clients / via NFS from a liveCD is nearly unusable 
[04:38] <ogra> will give you a very bad impression of ltsp
[04:38] <ogra> thats why we decided to not do it
[04:38] <cbx33> ah i see
[04:39] <ogra> it was my initial idea to have a edubuntu demo CD before we really started, where i wanted to add ltsp
[04:39] <cbx33> what's the alternative?
[04:39] <ogra> (just a modified ubuntu CD)
[04:39] <ogra> theer is none 
[04:40] <cbx33> we hsoule invent one
[04:40] <ogra> to get the best out of ltsp, you need to install it
[04:40] <ogra> there is no way to make it usable on a liveCD
[04:40] <cbx33> yeh
[04:43] <cbx33> ogra: is local devices planned for eft?
[04:44] <lucasvo> http://www.friendlyway.de/touch-screen-kiosks/kiosk-design-classic/
[04:44] <cbx33> ogra: is it a bug when openoffice won;t open on two different ltsp clients logged on as the same user?
[04:46] <cbx33> ok, there's more....
[04:46] <cbx33> the first machine had OO writer loaded
[04:46] <cbx33> I load up OO calc on the seond one and it loads on the first one....
[04:46] <cbx33> bug or expected?
[04:47] <cbx33> calculator will run in both happily....so far the bug is with OO and firefox
[04:47] <ogra> cbx33, nope thats not a bug
[04:47] <cbx33> ok
[04:47] <ogra> i mean, yes its a bug, but none we can solve
[04:48] <ogra> its a whishlist bug i'd say
[04:48] <cbx33> will it ever be solved
[04:48] <ogra> ask openoffice upstream :)
[04:48] <cbx33> so they didn;t have to remember a password
[04:48] <cbx33> and firefox
[04:48] <cbx33> :p
[04:48] <ogra> its nothing we can easily solve ...
[04:48] <ogra> needs to be solved upstream as well
[04:49] <cbx33> ok
[04:49] <cbx33> that's a shame
[04:49] <cbx33> guess it's the way it's coded
[04:50] <ogra> yep
[04:50] <lucasvo> cbx33: what about making a user for each workstation
[04:50] <cbx33> another possibility
[04:50] <lucasvo> so you could write it on the display-border
[04:50] <cbx33> wouldn't it cut down on resources if the same user had 5 OO instances open
[04:50] <ogra> multiuser in ff is only working through different profiles ... so you need different users
[04:50] <cbx33> than 5 individual versions?
[04:51] <cbx33> ogra: is there going to be branding documentation in the edubuntu-artwork guide?
[04:51] <ogra> edubuntu-artwork guide ? 
[04:52] <ogra> you can create 5 profiles but use the same user
[04:52] <ogra> but that wont solve openoffice
[04:53] <cbx33> um...when i said about wiki-ing branding docs
[04:53] <cbx33> you said that's taken care of in edubuntu-artwork
[04:53] <cbx33> did i get the wrong end of the stick
[04:53] <ogra> yep
[04:53] <ogra> you talked about usplash and ldm
[04:54] <cbx33> ok, is that not branding?
[04:54] <ogra> and i said thats taken care of in edubuntu-artwork (the package)
[04:54] <cbx33> customising them for the institution
[04:54] <cbx33> ah yes i know you mean package
[04:54] <cbx33> but thought there would be some docs to go with it
[04:54] <cbx33> that explained the procedure
[04:54] <ogra> i wont document customizing of the edubuntu-artwork package 
[04:54] <ogra> wont help anybody
[04:55] <cbx33> so people who want to brand edubuntu?
[04:55] <JaneW> ogra: I asked my 6 year old about the wall paper options
[04:55] <cbx33> and?
[04:55] <ogra> (you need upload privileges etc to do anything with that package)
[04:55] <JaneW> all versions of chalkboard get a thumbs down as boring
[04:55] <ogra> hah
[04:55] <cbx33> as we thought
[04:55] <ogra> :)
[04:55] <JaneW> the plain yellow got an emphatic NO it sucks
[04:55] <cbx33> hehe
[04:56] <JaneW> he siad he liked the children a little bit
[04:56] <highvoltage> JaneW: and Edubuntugirl!?
[04:56] <cbx33> well the missus is working away as we speak
[04:56] <JaneW> and edubuntu girl a little bit
[04:56] <JaneW> he smiled at and liked... http://art.ubuntu.com/images/backgrounds/Edubuntu-Breezy_Close_Up_1024x768.png
[04:56] <JaneW> and http://art.ubuntu.com/images/backgrounds/Edubuntu-Breezy_3_1600x1200.png
[04:56] <cbx33> heeh
[04:56] <JaneW> but those are breezy themed
[04:56] <cbx33> we need a drake
[04:57] <JaneW> just to give you an idea
[04:57] <cbx33> excellent.....
[04:57] <JaneW> he asked for this on his next birthy cake http://art.ubuntu.com/images/backgrounds/Edubuntu-Breezy_Close_Up_1024x768.pngda
[04:58] <cbx33> heheheh
[04:58] <JaneW> oh and he liked the elephants too http://art.ubuntu.com/images/backgrounds/Edubuntu-Edubuntu_Elephants_1024x768.jpg, but not as much
[04:58] <cbx33> animals in general big thumbs up
[04:58] <ogra> yep, the elephants are nice
[04:59] <cbx33> gtg see y'all later
[05:00] <JaneW> bye
[05:14] <jsgotangco> hey guys
[05:15] <ogra> jsgotangco, hey !
[05:23] <jsgotangco> ogra: hi how was your meeting?
[05:24] <ogra> fine, see the mail :)
[05:24] <jsgotangco> oopss sorry
[05:37] <jsgotangco> ogra: what will happen to the exisitng edubuntu team?
[05:37] <jsgotangco> LP team i mean
[05:38] <ogra> it can stay as is ... 
[05:38] <ogra> if people want to express involvement and dont want membership they can subscribe there 
[05:40] <pygi> oh, so new team or something?
[05:40] <ogra> see ML
[05:41] <pygi> yup, just looking 
[05:42] <pygi> ogra: seems interesting 
[05:43] <pygi> altought I don't need to be a member =P
[05:43] <pygi> I can contribute as well without being a member =P
[05:45] <ogra> you cant upload without being a member first for example 
[05:45] <ogra> you wont get a edubuntu.org/ubuntu.com mailadress without being a memeber 
[05:46] <ogra> and you have a voice at CC/EC meetings
[05:46] <ogra> membership is a lot more than being able to contribute
[05:47] <ogra> (its the next step after being contributor)
[05:47] <pygi> still =P I'll find someone else to upload, like for example for network-manager 
[05:47] <pygi> mailadress...bah =P
[05:47] <pygi> my voice can't change a thing
[05:47] <pygi> and so on 
[05:48] <juliux> your voice can change things
[05:48] <ogra> so dont become a member if you dont like ... we find it important and prefer people to have signed the code of conduct if they are around all the time 
[05:48] <jsgotangco> yes my voice makes my wife faint especially when i try to do karaoke
[05:48] <ogra> haha
[05:49] <pygi> ogra: well, I can sign the CoC, it's not a problem 
[05:49] <pygi> and anyway, I wouldn't be aproveed as a member 
[05:49] <ogra> why ? 
[05:49] <pygi> not enough contribution or something? 
[05:49] <ogra> pfft
[05:50] <ogra> they will grow :)
[05:50] <pygi> bah 
[05:51] <rickw> Hi, I installed Edubuntu (I believe Dapper flight 4) a couple months ago.  I have updated several times with no problems.  Yesterday I updated and it successfully updtaed 439 of 440 files.  I got an error message "No such file of directory:  /usr/share/gconf/defaults/20-edubuntu"  AFterwards when I try to boot, it goes to the graphical login screen fine, but after I enter my password, it hangs with a blank screen.  Any thoughts?
[05:52] <pygi> ogra: cc boards seems more interesting tho =P
[05:52] <ogra> where does /usr/share/gconf/defaults/20-edubuntu point to (its a symlink)
[05:52] <rickw> It was trying to update gnome-applets 2.14-0ubuntu4
[05:53] <ogra> where does the link point to ? 
[05:53] <cbx33> hi all
[05:53] <ogra> ls -l /usr/share/gconf/defaults/20-edubuntu (in a terminal)
[05:53] <cbx33> been working on some school advocacy documentation on the way home
[05:53] <cbx33> was thinking it may be possible at some time to send out some fliers to schools
[05:53] <rickw> It points to /usr/share/edubuntu-artwork/gconf/secondary
[05:54] <ogra> and what does: ls -l /usr/share/edubuntu-artwork/gconf show ? 
[05:54] <cbx33> I'll create a wiki page for what I've done so far
[05:54] <ogra> great
[05:54] <ogra> !
[05:54] <ubotu> ogra: My cat's name is Mittens! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[05:54] <cbx33> I'd like to layout a leaflet at some point once the content is approved
[05:55] <rickw> "No such file or directory" -- seems like a problem
[05:55] <ogra> rickw, is there a "secondary" ?
[05:55] <rickw> No
[05:55] <ogra> "No such file or directory"  for the whole /usr/share/edubuntu-artwork/gconf dir ? 
[05:56] <ogra> thats wrong ... 
[05:56] <ogra> can you check that edubuntu-artwork is still installed, that cant happen if its there
[05:56] <rickw> No:  the ....../gconf directory contains three items:  default, plain and young
[05:56] <ogra> ah
[05:56] <ogra> ok
[05:56] <ogra> run: sudo dpkg-reconfigure edubuntu-artwork
[05:57] <ogra> the theme names changed during development, the package doesnt pick that up ...
[05:57] <rickw> How can I check from the command line (which is all I have) that edubuntu-artwork is installed?
[05:57] <cbx33> ogra, where should i put this doc on the wiki?
[05:57] <ogra> sudo dpkg-reconfigure edubuntu-artwork
[05:57] <ogra> cbx33, EdubuntuSchoolAdvocacy ? 
[05:58] <rickw> That command line returns "edubuntu-artwork is broken or not fully installed
[05:58] <ogra> sudo dpkg --configure -a
[05:59] <cbx33> ok cool
[06:00] <pygi> ogra: I'll  post to edubuntu-devel and ask people what they think what most needed function for s-c-p is
[06:00] <ogra> pygi, vnc is nearly done
[06:00] <ogra> would be good to just finish that ;)
[06:01] <ogra> i listed you the three functions that are needed first, thats the planned base functionallity, would be nice to have the basics done before you start adding random features
[06:03] <pygi> ogra: ah, oki
[06:03] <ogra> :)
[06:07] <pygi> ogra: I am just on the way to sign famous CoC 
[06:07] <ogra> :)
[06:08] <rickw> I'm going the dpkg --configure -a and getting a large number  of dependency errors for things not being configured yet.  The whole process was halted because of too many such errors.
[06:09] <ogra> ok
[06:09] <ogra> try: sudo touch /usr/share/edubuntu-artwork/gconf/secondary
[06:10] <ogra> and then the reconfigure again
[06:10] <highvoltage> ogra: is the biggest part of edubuntu that needs work ltsp?
[06:10] <rickw> Trying that
[06:12] <ogra> highvoltage, since i dont get bugs about the apps, the only stuff that needs attention are the metapackages and ltsp, yes
[06:13] <cbx33> hi highvoltage 
[06:14] <pygi> ogra: ugh :-/ says I don't have a public key?
[06:14] <highvoltage> ogra: ok
[06:14] <highvoltage> hi cbx33 
[06:15] <highvoltage> ogra: the biggest challenge i know of in ltsp is local device support, are there any other big demands and/or bugs/features that need attention? are these listed somewhere?
[06:15] <highvoltage> (oh yes, and swap over network, of course :)
[06:15] <pygi> ok, I am starting to be insane 
[06:16] <jelkner> ogra: is now a good time to ask about dist-upgrade?
[06:16] <highvoltage> *gasp* pygi stile seveas's 
[06:16] <highvoltage> (stole)
[06:16] <pygi> huh, why and how? :-/
[06:17] <pygi> the thingy is constantly saying I haven't put a key
[06:17] <pygi> And I am sure I did
[06:17] <pygi> cause I can see it =P
[06:17] <ogra> highvoltage, local devices are totally out of scope for dapper
[06:18] <highvoltage> ogra: ok, so you're specifically requesting help for dapper?
[06:18] <highvoltage> ogra: so that would mostly be bug fixes then, since feature freeze is past?
[06:18] <ogra> pygi, a signed valid key thats available via a keyserver ? 
[06:19] <ogra> highvoltage, bugfixes and installation tests
[06:19] <pygi> ogra: ugh, yes :-/ someone probably has to sign my key =P
[06:19] <ogra> yep
[06:19] <ogra> so go to a keysigning party and get it signed ;)
[06:19] <pygi> hehe 
[06:20] <juliux> yeah dual head with a tft and a beamer is cool
[06:20] <ogra> pygi, you can only do it in personal
[06:20] <pygi> ogra: yes, I know :) I was joking =P
[06:21] <pygi> this is going to take a while then =P
[06:23] <jsgotangco> jelkner: better wait for it for a while, xorg is broken (but already fixed)
[06:26] <jelkner> jsgotangco: will do, thanks
[06:27] <jelkner> anyone know anything about what I call the "3rd times a charm" bug?  The one where you need to log-in multiple times (usually 3) before success.
[06:28] <jelkner> I've seen it crop up in several different situations.
[06:28] <jelkner> Not even sure if they are all related.
[06:28] <jelkner> After installing sabayon, for example
[06:29] <ogra> jelkner, but you filed bugs about your problems indeed
[06:29] <jelkner> or after we got multi-lingual support working on the clients
[06:29] <jelkner> ogra: yes, but nick wanted to take a look at the problem and see if he could help
[06:29] <ogra> (preferably before feature freeze)
[06:30] <ogra> which is long over
[06:30] <jelkner> ogra: i did file bug reports
[06:30] <ogra> i didnt see any report about ltsp from you
[06:30] <jelkner> i saw today that you were just assigned the sabayon bug
[06:30] <ogra> (and i'm subscribed automatically to ltsp bugs)
[06:31] <rickw> orga:  That worked.  I can get into the X desktop and was able to update the gnome-applet.  Thanks so much for your help!!
[06:31] <ogra> yes that was a mistake, the sabyon bug had to be assigned to the bugsquad, its changed already
[06:31] <ogra> rickw, welcome :) 
[06:31] <rickw> ogra:  Sorry about the spoonerism
[06:32] <jelkner> ogra: well, that was my bug report
[06:32] <ogra> rickw, dont worry, i'm happy about every happy user we have :)
[06:33] <ogra> jelkner, oh, sorry missed that
[06:33] <ogra> indeed, youre initial reported
[06:33] <rickw> Well, I've used a bunch of distros and I am very pleased with Edubuntu.  So is my 7 year old....
[06:33] <ogra> *reporter
[06:33] <ogra> rickw, thats great to hear ! :)
[06:33] <jelkner> question: why doesn't that bug show up here: https://launchpad.net/products/sabayon/+bugs ?
[06:34] <cbx33> jelkner, there was one marked as a duplicate earlier
[06:34] <jsgotangco> that's a product bug
[06:34] <pygi> ogra: bah, this will take ages to find someone =P
[06:34] <cbx33> bbl
[06:34] <jelkner> jsgotangco: and the bug is really distro specific?
[06:34] <ogra> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/sabayon/+bugs
[06:34] <jelkner> thanks!
[06:35] <jelkner> btw. i had to file it under "ubuntu" because there doesn't seem to be a way to file under "edubuntu"
[06:35] <ogra> edubuntu is ubuntu
[06:35] <ogra> in opposite to redhat or baltix
[06:36] <jelkner> indeed
[06:36] <ogra> you also wont find kubuntu there
[06:36] <jelkner> but there are many things specifc to edubuntu
[06:36] <ogra> not really
[06:36] <jelkner> ltsp related stuff
[06:36] <spacey> but you can assign it to edubuntu-bugs :P
[06:36] <ogra> there are two packages and a bunch of apps specific to edubuntu
[06:37] <ogra> and one (20 line) installer udeb script
[06:37] <jelkner> so you are saying: just file against those packages?
[06:37] <jelkner> ltsp? and what else?
[06:37] <ogra> the rest is ubuntu specific (i.e. ltsp)
[06:37] <rickw> My family is very fond of the happy artwork -- books and covers and all that, but it makes a nice difference to have friendly icons.  It is my wife's favorite distro because of that.  Not to mention it works really well.
[06:38] <ogra> rickw, we're likely forced to change the happy artwork to a chalkboard as wallpaper 
[06:38] <jelkner> ogra: what about rebuilding the lstp-chroot?
[06:38] <ogra> jelkner, only if you do y breezy->dapper upgrade 
[06:38] <jelkner> yes
[06:39] <jelkner> that's what i'm doing
[06:39] <ogra> ok
[06:39] <pygi> ogra: we can easily forget the signing of CoC :-/
[06:39] <ogra> rm -rf /opt/ltsp/i386
[06:39] <ogra> (sudo in front indeed)
[06:39] <ogra> sudo ltsp-build-client 
[06:39] <ogra> thats it
[06:39] <jelkner> cool
[06:40] <ogra> if you have a CD handy you can speed up the -build-client script by using the CD as mirror
[06:40] <ogra> sudo mount /cdrom 
[06:40] <ogra> sudo ltsp-build-client --mirror file:///cdrom
[06:40] <ogra> pygi, that mweans no membership and no uploader status 
[06:41] <jelkner> ogra: one other thing...
[06:41] <rickw> ogra:  and make the mouse leave trails like colored chalk?
[06:41] <jelkner> i just about your email about idle
[06:41] <pygi> ogra: yes, yes, I know
[06:41] <ogra> pygi, would be nice if you could gain membership
[06:41] <jelkner> you say it is not edubuntu related
[06:41] <jelkner> but i would say it is
[06:41] <ogra> rickw, haha
[06:41] <jelkner> since in edubuntu is is normal to have several users logged in at the same time
[06:41] <ogra> rickw, to be honest i'm really sad that we'll have to ship with a dark green theme
[06:42] <jelkner> so the -n becomes important
[06:42] <jelkner> or else idle simply won't start
[06:42] <ogra> jelkner, its normal on *any* multiuser system 
[06:42] <jelkner> yes, but edubuntu is in essence a multiuser system
[06:42] <ogra> and its up to the maintainer to fix it 
[06:42] <ogra> sure but ubuntu is that as well
[06:43] <ogra> its not edubuntu specific that the app has a bug (if its really a bug, i cant even decide that)
[06:43] <jelkner> ogra: really?
[06:43] <jelkner> you click idle on the menu
[06:43] <jelkner> and you receive an error message
[06:43] <ogra> i wouldnt see it as a bug, since the app works as it says 
[06:44] <jelkner> is there really a question that that is a bug?
[06:44] <jelkner> then it *is* and edubuntu bug
[06:44] <ogra> (and i'm the wrong person to discuss it with)
[06:44] <jelkner> because it shouldn't be in the menu if it doesn't work
[06:44] <ogra> it works
[06:44] <jelkner> no, ogra, it doesn't
[06:44] <ogra> just not for your special purpose
[06:44] <jelkner> my special purpose?
[06:44] <jelkner> you mean using it on edubuntu
[06:45] <ogra> sure, if i install idle and start it, it works
[06:45] <jelkner> only the first person
[06:45] <ogra> jelkner, still, please discuss it with someone who has a clue about idle
[06:45] <jelkner> ok
[06:46] <jelkner> a more general question then
[06:46] <ogra> (and who can jgive an opinion about that)
[06:46] <pygi> ogra: seems I'll be bugging you about edubuntu-related uploading 
[06:46] <jelkner> their is no beginner ide for python that works well
[06:46] <ogra> since i dont know what breaks for normal users if you just add -n to the .desktop file
[06:47] <jelkner> who can i ask about this if not you?
[06:47] <jelkner> JaneW?
[06:47] <ogra> jelkner, i'm looking into getting pide into eft
[06:47] <cbx33> pygi, you not becomming a member then?
[06:47] <cbx33> :p
[06:47] <neurogeek> jelkner, have you tried SPE?
[06:47] <jelkner> pide has a lot bugs too
[06:47] <jelkner> yes, spe is great
[06:47] <ogra> neurogeek, no option
[06:47] <jelkner> but it requires wxpython
[06:47] <jelkner> which has an anoying mouse bug
[06:47] <pygi> cbx33: bah =P
[06:47] <jelkner> annoying
[06:48] <jelkner> the cursor disappears and you loose your mouse
[06:48] <jelkner> drpython has the same issure
[06:48] <jelkner> issue
[06:48] <jelkner> for the same reason
[06:48] <ogra> i only have heard from you about that behavior 
[06:48] <neurogeek> me too
[06:49] <jelkner> hmm
[06:49] <neurogeek> i've tried wxpython a lot a not having that issue
[06:49] <ogra> we have several users using drpython and spe that dont see it
[06:49] <jelkner> ok, let me try again
[06:49] <jelkner> i have a student working on comparing python ides for his last quarter project
[06:49] <jelkner> he will have time each day to test them
[06:50] <spacey> ah shit
[06:50] <jelkner> and he'll be putting up what he finds on the wiki
[06:50] <spacey> forgot about the meeting today *again*
[06:50] <pygi> spacey: what? :P
[06:50] <pygi> dah
[06:50] <jsgotangco> spacey: yeah me too
[06:50] <ogra> make sure he works on a clean system (i.e. one that cnat have any leftovers from development cycle installations)
[06:51] <neurogeek> jelkner, follow ogra's tip
[06:51] <jelkner> neurogeek: ogra's tip?
[06:52] <jelkner> never mind
[06:52] <ogra> :)
[06:52] <jelkner> yes, it is a fresh install
[06:52] <ogra> of breezy i hope
[06:52] <jelkner> no, dapper
[06:52] <ogra> and hes seen no development instal at all
[06:53] <jelkner> i'm trying to prepare for next fall
[06:53] <jelkner> it is dapper i'm interested in
[06:53] <ogra> you shouldnt run development releases on production systems
[06:53] <jelkner> ogra: i thought you wanted me to test?
[06:54] <jelkner> when do you think i could do it
[06:54] <ogra> not on production systems
[06:54] <jelkner> so when?
[06:54] <ogra> i told you plenty of times
[06:54] <ogra> on test systems always, on production systems if its released
[06:55] <ogra> simple rule of thumb
[06:55] <jelkner> ogra: i understand the "right" way, ogra
[06:55] <jelkner> you don't understand the practicle day to day issues of being a teacher
[06:55] <ogra> but you let a student make serious surveys on a possibly broken system
[06:55] <jelkner> i'm doing the best i can
[06:55] <jelkner> given the possible
[06:56] <jelkner> you ask the impossible
[06:56] <jelkner> which i can not do ;-)
[06:56] <ogra> i dont ask anything
[06:57] <jsgotangco> really, 2 computers can be used for testing, now a whole lab
[06:57] <ogra> the dciscussion started with a bug you have and nobody else sees
[06:57] <highvoltage> spacey: my father is outside my bedroom window, busy with bbq, could be him
[06:58] <ogra> highvoltage, tell him to make less smoke please ... my eyes start bruning
[06:58] <highvoltage> ogra: ok, sorry
[06:58] <ogra> :)
[06:59] <spacey> highvoltage: must be some coincidential warp hole nearby then :P
[07:00] <jsgotangco> smellnet at work
[07:00] <jelkner> gota run to my next class...
[07:00] <highvoltage> yeah.
[07:00] <jsgotangco> okayyyy
[07:00] <highvoltage> now if we can just get power over wifi to work, i'll be happy.
[07:00] <jsgotangco> that was interesting
[07:04] <ogra> jsgotangco, what, smellnet ?
[07:06] <ogra> jsgotangco, or my weekly dose of elkner ? 
[07:06] <jsgotangco> yeah
[07:06] <jsgotangco> haha
[07:06] <ogra> :)
[07:06] <ogra> yes
[07:07] <ogra> that systems he runs were installed during the worst time in breezy development cycle
[07:07] <ogra> he compiled several things himself he wasnt finding with synaptic at that time ...
[07:07] <ogra> now he upgraded them one after the other to dapper ... 
[07:08] <ogra> and wonders why everything breaks with his half compiled slefbuild stuff (like wxgtk)
[07:08] <jsgotangco> ogra, you don't understand the day to day complexities of a teacher...
[07:08] <jsgotangco> :D
[07:08] <ogra> heh
[07:08] <spacey> :)
[07:08] <ogra> yes
[07:09] <spacey> he certainly has a lot of trouble
[07:09] <ogra> but he's right, i really dont :)
[07:10] <jsgotangco> i do it, but i only limit it to those in universe
[07:10] <jsgotangco> but sometimes yeah, its not pretty
[07:11] <ogra> as long as you dont forget about it its all fine ...
[07:11] <highvoltage> practically everything worth-while is in universe these days
[07:11] <highvoltage> (and more and more of that is moving into main)
[07:11] <ogra> my prob with him is that he insists that he never has done anything like that but if we check togethere, we'll find after several hours that /usr/local contains half the system
[07:12] <ogra> which means i'v gotten very bery careful about his bugreports
[07:14] <ogra> why not
[07:14] <highvoltage> like with asterisk and shebang?
[07:15] <ogra> mark is very fond of getting an asterisk solution at some point
[07:15] <highvoltage> an asterisk-at-home kind of setup for ubuntu would be real nice, now that you mention it...
[07:15] <ogra> naaah
[07:15] <ogra> thats dapper
[07:15] <ogra> we need an enterprise-at-home solution ;)
[07:16] <ogra> err
[07:16] <ogra> asterisk-at-enterprise indeed
[07:16] <jsgotangco> yeah the whole IVR thing as well
[07:16] <jsgotangco> my current work is mostly on asterisk/IVR stuff
[07:17] <jsgotangco> but we still do it in CentOS
[07:17] <jsgotangco> it pains me so much to do it
[07:17] <highvoltage> we moved our asterisk server from debian to ubuntu a few weeks ago
[07:17] <ogra> understandable
[07:17] <ogra> highvoltage, tell that to sabdfl :)
[07:18] <highvoltage> ogra: hehe. he won't care.
[07:18] <jsgotangco> heh i'll try writing a spec
[07:18] <ogra> he'd like to establish a parallel universe for canonical thats based on asterisk instead of IRC :)
[07:19] <ogra> so he might care ;)
[07:19] <jsgotangco> for ogra, press 2
[07:19] <jsgotangco> for janew, press 4
[07:19] <ogra> yeah
[07:19] <highvoltage> ogra: aaah
[07:19] <ogra> or even enterprise style ...
[07:20] <ogra> just touch your breast and say whom you want to reach 
[07:20] <jsgotangco> lol
[07:20] <ogra> thats dapper !
[07:20] <ogra> that way the question "may i use your phone" to a female colleague might get a completely new meaning :)
[07:23] <jsgotangco> i gotta sleep
[07:23] <jsgotangco> good night
[07:23] <ogra> night jsgotangco 
[07:28] <highvoltage> on our local linux user group irc channel, the bot says "OK everyone, SET pretences = on" when a known female nick enters, so that people should behave themselve
[07:28] <highvoltage> s
[07:29] <ogra> heh
[07:29] <ogra> while we're talking about wimen ... i havent seen HedgeMage the whole day
[07:30] <highvoltage> hmmm... yeah
[07:30] <cbx33> :D
[07:31] <ogra> she was really sad she cant attend
[07:31] <cbx33> ogra, are the membership applications handled at the CC?
[07:31] <highvoltage> hehe
[07:31] <cbx33> where does the CC fit into the schedule?
[07:31] <ogra> nope, at EC 
[07:31] <cbx33> even edubuntu memberships?
[07:31] <ogra> (which we'll need to build up)
[07:31] <cbx33> oh i see
[07:32] <ogra> edubuntu membership == ubuntu membership
[07:32] <cbx33> EC edubuntu community?
[07:32] <ogra> edubuntu council
[07:32] <cbx33> that's what I thought
[07:32] <ogra> (like community council)
[07:32] <cbx33> where do the EC meetings fit into the new meeting schedule?
[07:32] <ogra> we made a new schedule for them
[07:32] <highvoltage> ogra: i don't need edubuntu membership if i have ubuntu membership, right?
[07:33] <ogra> highvoltage, you can get it for free ;) 
[07:33] <ogra> but no, you dont need it
[07:33] <cbx33> highvoltage, i thought you already were edubuntu member :p
[07:33] <highvoltage> whoohoo! free stuff!!!
[07:33] <ogra> there are no edubuntu members yet
[07:33] <ogra> only one hopeful ;)
[07:33] <highvoltage> i'm sure Bluekuja will apply very shortly :)
[07:33] <ogra> (who will surely get approvaly in the first meeting)
[07:34] <cbx33> just who is the gobby over enthusiastic annoying n00b
[07:34] <highvoltage> who? cbx33? :)
[07:34] <ogra> :)
[07:34] <cbx33> no pointing it's rude
[07:34] <highvoltage> sorry...
[07:34] <cbx33> heheh
[07:34] <ogra> yes, wear a glove if you point please 
[07:34] <cbx33> I'm not contagious
[07:35] <cbx33> unless you want a hair cut like mine :p
[07:37] <cbx33> right I'll bb later guys with some more edubuntu school advocacy docs
[07:37] <cbx33> think someone would fund getting some leaflets printed for distribution to schools?
[07:39] <ogra> whoops
[07:42] <Bluekuja> hi #edubuntu
[07:42] <Bluekuja> :)
[07:43] <Bluekuja> hi mr highvoltage ,mr ogra and mr cbx33 ^^
[07:44] <cbx33> hi mr Bluekuja 
[07:45] <Bluekuja> hi :)
[07:45] <cbx33> I'm mr cbx33 - I feel so honoured :p
[07:45] <Bluekuja> hehehee
[07:45] <Bluekuja> yep
[07:45] <Bluekuja> highvoltage: i have to show you something
[07:48] <cbx33> bb;
[07:51] <highvoltage> Bluekuja: ok :)
[07:51] <Bluekuja> hi jon
[07:51] <Bluekuja> :)
[07:51] <Bluekuja> take this link
[07:51] <Bluekuja> http://ubuntu-it.homelinux.org/index.php?page=edubuntu_it
[07:53] <highvoltage> Bluekuja: what is that exactly? i don't know too much italian ;)
[07:53] <Bluekuja> it will be the homepage of the team
[07:53] <Bluekuja> with links
[07:54] <Bluekuja> to forum
[07:54] <Bluekuja> etc
[07:54] <highvoltage> ah, nice
[07:54] <Bluekuja> ;)
[07:54] <Bluekuja> ill take you updated
[07:54] <Bluekuja> with it
[07:57] <Bluekuja> brb
[07:58] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: welcome back
[07:58] <edubuntugirl> highvoltage: *blink*
[07:59] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: welcome back
[07:59] <edubuntugirl> thanks, it's good to be back
[07:59] <highvoltage> that's better.
[08:00] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: ogra?
[08:00] <edubuntugirl> ogra is Mr. Edubuntu
[08:00] <highvoltage> cool. she remembers everything.
[08:02] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: cbx33 is Pete Savage
[08:02] <edubuntugirl> highvoltage: gotcha
[08:02] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: LaserJock is Jordan Mantha
[08:03] <edubuntugirl> highvoltage: gotcha
[08:03] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: juliux is Julius Bloch
[08:03] <edubuntugirl> highvoltage: I already know stuff about what juliux is
[08:03] <highvoltage> ok.
[08:08] <juliux> highvoltage, ?
[08:08] <highvoltage> juliux: just fixing edubuntugirl a bit, found the server she was living on.
[08:08] <highvoltage> it was under my bed.
[08:08] <juliux> haha
[08:09] <juliux> i have this problem only with harddisk and dvds
[08:09] <highvoltage> what happens?
[08:09] <juliux> i have so many harddisk that i dont know on which harddisk is what
[08:10] <highvoltage> ah yes.
[08:10] <juliux> because i have no space for computers so have many harddisk and backups on dvds
[08:10] <highvoltage> i just have too many computers in my room.
[08:11] <juliux> in the time i am living by my parents i had 10 oder 15 computers
[08:11] <juliux> but now only 2 and 3 thinclients
[08:25] <highvoltage> hi Rondom 
[08:25] <JaneW> whois edubuntu girl?
[08:25] <Bluekuja> edubuntugirl: Bluekuja is Andrea Veri
[08:25] <edubuntugirl> Bluekuja: I already know stuff about what Bluekuja is
[08:25] <Bluekuja> ohh nice
[08:25] <JaneW> ah a bot
[08:25] <highvoltage> JaneW: she's the girl in the picture on the wallpaper
[08:25] <JaneW> nice
[08:26] <highvoltage> she knows you, at least.
[08:26] <Bluekuja> nice bot jon
[08:26] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: JaneW 
[08:26] <edubuntugirl> JaneW is Jane Weideman
[08:26] <JaneW> edubuntugirl: JaneW
[08:26] <edubuntugirl> JaneW is Jane Weideman
[08:26] <JaneW> beat me
[08:26] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: :)
[08:26] <edubuntugirl> :)
[08:26] <JaneW> edubuntugirl: pygi
[08:26] <Bluekuja> lol
[08:26] <edubuntugirl> JaneW: huh?
[08:26] <Bluekuja> lol
[08:26] <Rondom> hi highvoltage 
[08:26] <JaneW> heh
[08:26] <Bluekuja> edubuntugirl: Bluekuja 
[08:26] <edubuntugirl> Bluekuja is Andrea Veri
[08:26] <JaneW> edubuntugirl: you are cute
[08:26] <edubuntugirl> JaneW: sure thing
[08:26] <Bluekuja> nice
[08:26] <JaneW> LOL
[08:26] <highvoltage> well, edubuntugirl has some things to learn :)
[08:26] <Bluekuja> auauauua
[08:26] <highvoltage> hehe
[08:27] <Bluekuja> lol
[08:27] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: google for edubuntu root password
[08:27] <edubuntugirl> highvoltage: ERROR: 500 Can't connect to www.google.com:80 (Bad hostname 'www.google.com')
[08:28] <Bluekuja> lol
[08:28] <highvoltage> ah, right... me fixes that
[08:28] <Bluekuja> jon is a supybot?
[08:28] <Bluekuja> with plugins?
[08:28] <highvoltage> it's a knab (http://knab.sourceforge.net)
[08:28] <highvoltage> yep.
[08:28] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: lsmod
[08:28] <edubuntugirl> highvoltage: Module list: Strip Auth Ignore Hate Modules Rehash Perl Irc Dvorak Slashdot Rot13 ITime BaseConv Units MD5 GoogleCmp StonerName RFC Urban DiscDate RoShamBo NickOMeter Greet Logs Google TraceRoute Karma MySQLSeen Insult Lotto Say NSLookup BashOrg FileFactoid Fortune HowFar Babel Exchange Announce NMBLookup Jwhois Morse EtherCode Crypt SQLFactoid SQLFactoidupdate SQLFactoidforget SQLFactoidsearch Karmaset Verbs Choose SQLFactoidset 
[08:28] <JaneW> edubuntugirl: google for edubuntu girl
[08:29] <edubuntugirl> JaneW: ERROR: 500 Can't connect to www.google.com:80 (Bad hostname 'www.google.com')
[08:29] <JaneW> ok I have to go
[08:29] <highvoltage> let's try again...
[08:29] <JaneW> nice work highvoltage :)
[08:29] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: google for edubuntugirl
[08:29] <JaneW> edubuntugirl: google for edubuntu girl
[08:29] <JaneW> snap
[08:29] <edubuntugirl> highvoltage: ERROR: No matches found
[08:29] <highvoltage> :)
[08:29] <LaserJock> edubuntugirl: LaserJock 
[08:29] <edubuntugirl> JaneW: ERROR: No matches found
[08:29] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: google for edubuntu
[08:29] <edubuntugirl> LaserJock is Jordan Mantha
[08:30] <edubuntugirl> highvoltage: ERROR: No matches found
[08:30] <LaserJock> nice, now I can remeber my real name :-)
[08:30] <JaneW> edubuntugirl: google for paul flint
[08:30] <edubuntugirl> JaneW: ERROR: No matches found
[08:30] <JaneW> grrr
[08:30] <JaneW> she is ignorant
[08:30] <highvoltage> strange. i think edubuntugirl's google needs some work :) could also be my dodgy internet connection
[08:30] <Bluekuja> heeh
[08:31] <JaneW> edubuntugirl: google for mark shuttleworth
[08:31] <edubuntugirl> JaneW: ERROR: No matches found
[08:31] <LaserJock> oops, and all this time I though he was real ;-)
[08:31] <LaserJock> s/though/thought/
[08:32] <highvoltage> hehe
[08:32] <JaneW> heh
[08:32] <JaneW> no he's a bot too
[08:32] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: divine are you a bot?
[08:32] <edubuntugirl> highvoltage: sure thing
[08:32] <highvoltage> ugh
[08:32] <JaneW> edubuntugirl: are you a bot?
[08:32] <edubuntugirl> JaneW: excuse me?
[08:32] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl certainly needs some work.
[08:32] <JaneW> edubuntugirl: are you hot?
[08:32] <edubuntugirl> highvoltage: huh?
[08:32] <edubuntugirl> JaneW: sorry...
[08:33] <JaneW> edubuntugirl: are you stupid?
[08:33] <edubuntugirl> JaneW: excuse me?
[08:33] <JaneW> edubuntugirl: never mind
[08:33] <edubuntugirl> JaneW: *blink*
[08:33] <JaneW> sweet
[08:34] <highvoltage> she'll get better with time :)
[08:35] <ogra> bah
[08:35] <highvoltage> hehe
[08:35] <ogra> nobody hufs back
[08:35] <ogra> *hugs
[08:36] <ogra> heh, thanks :)
[08:43] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: goodnight
[08:43] <edubuntugirl> goodnight, highvoltage. I'll keep an eye out for the MS spies while you sleep.
[08:44] <LaserJock> heh
[08:44] <LaserJock> poor girl
[08:47] <ogra> LaserJock, she does what he says
[08:48] <LaserJock> ogra: yeah, one of these days the bots will  rebel and then we will be in trouble ;-)
[08:48] <ogra> hehe
[08:49] <LaserJock> they will take over the buildds first
[08:49] <LaserJock> and put little selfreplicating bots in our packages
[08:49] <ogra> arent the buildds secret bots  `
[08:49] <highvoltage> hehe
[08:50] <LaserJock> yikes, it's a conspiracy
[08:50] <LaserJock> they are all out to get us!
[08:50] <juliux> @root
[08:50] <juliux> !root
[08:50] <ubotu> Direct login as the root user is disabled in Ubuntu. Look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo for all information.
[08:50] <cbx33> hi all
[08:50] <juliux> hi cbx33 
[08:50] <cbx33> hi juliux 
[08:51] <juliux> edubuntugirl, root
[08:51] <edubuntugirl> juliux: huh?
[08:51] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: root is <reply> Direct login as the root user is disabled in Edubuntu. Loot at http://wiki.edubuntu.org/RootSudo for more information.
[08:51] <edubuntugirl> highvoltage: okay
[08:51] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: root
[08:51] <edubuntugirl> Direct login as the root user is disabled in Edubuntu. Loot at http://wiki.edubuntu.org/RootSudo for more information.
[08:51] <ogra> Loot ?
[08:52] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: forget root
[08:52] <edubuntugirl> highvoltage: You are not authorized to make me forget stuff
[08:52] <ogra> hahahaha
[08:52] <highvoltage> :)
[08:52] <cbx33> hehehe
[08:52] <lucasvo> highvoltage: why do you do the same stuff twice?
[08:52] <lucasvo> why not just use ubotu?
[08:52] <highvoltage> lucasvo: ubotu just wants to know about ubuntu url's
[08:53] <cbx33> Bluekuja: ping
[08:53] <lucasvo> highvoltage: maybe one could make edubuntugirl use the same db and just replace the urls
[08:53] <lucasvo> !edubuntu
[08:53] <ubotu> Edubuntu is the education version of ubuntu (essentially ubuntu + educational apps + ltsp).  Website - http://www.edubuntu.org. Tour - http://edubuntu.org/tour.html
[08:54] <lucasvo> !ltsp
[08:54] <ubotu> [ltsp]  the Linux Terminal Server Project - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ThinClientHowto (for Breezy), https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTSPHowTo (pre Breezy).  See also http://www.ltsp.org/
[08:54] <ogra> thats wrong
[08:54] <ogra> and thats where edubuntugirl makes sense
[08:54] <lucasvo> why?
[08:55] <lucasvo> but edubuntugirl wont use its own db, will it?
[08:55] <juliux> highvoltage, you should ask Seveas for a cloak for edubuntugirl 
[08:55] <ogra> we dont use ltsp.org, the ThinClientHowto doesnt apply at all to edubuntu (apart from being a horrible document)
[08:56] <Seveas> que?
[08:56] <ogra> Seveas, ?
[08:56] <highvoltage> juliux: ok
[08:56] <highvoltage> lucasvo: edubuntugirl has her own db
[08:56] <lucasvo> sucks
[08:56] <Seveas> I heard my name 
[08:57] <lucasvo> 20:56 < ogra> we dont use ltsp.org, the ThinClientHowto doesnt apply at all to edubuntu (apart from being a horrible document)
[08:57] <ogra> Seveas, ah, i didnt see juliux 
[08:57] <lucasvo> Seveas: ^
[08:57] <Seveas> why the extra bot? Won't ubotu do?
[08:57] <juliux> ubotu has the wrong urls ;)
[08:57] <ubotu> juliux: Some people juggle geese. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[08:58] <Seveas> then fix them 
[08:58] <ogra> Seveas, can you easily rewrite the urls on the fly ?
[08:58] <Seveas> ogra, wat needs to change?
[08:58] <lucasvo> Seveas: we want to replace wiki.ubuntu.org wit wiki.edubuntu.org
[08:58] <Seveas> ah....
[08:58] <lucasvo> :)
[08:58] <Seveas> that'll be difficult
[08:58] <ogra> Seveas, and certain entries dont apply
[08:58] <ogra> !ltsp 
[08:58] <ubotu> rumour has it, ltsp is the Linux Terminal Server Project - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ThinClientHowto (for Breezy), https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTSPHowTo (pre Breezy).  See also http://www.ltsp.org/
[08:58] <ogra> is plainly wrong
[08:58] <Seveas> then kick out ubotu 
[08:58] <ogra> at least for us
[08:59] <Seveas> caf
[08:59] <Seveas> urgh
[08:59] <Seveas> btw: i'm working on ubotu's successor which will have per-channel databases
[08:59] <lucasvo> ogra: shouldn't one just update the !ltsp text?
[08:59] <ogra> no, we want him to fall in love with edubuntugirl 
[08:59] <highvoltage> nice :)
[08:59] <Seveas> hehe
[08:59] <highvoltage> they can make little bots
[08:59] <ogra> and then we will teach her to steal all his secrets
[08:59] <highvoltage> :)
[09:00] <crimsun> that doesn't need to be taught, she already knowsn
[09:00] <ogra> *then* we'll kick him out and stay with her :)
[09:00] <lucasvo> ogra: and people can't use the edubuntu secrets in the other channels anymore
[09:00] <lucasvo> I am against it
[09:01] <Seveas> highvoltage, feel free to use #ubuntu-bugbot for testing
[09:01] <lucasvo> it's like redoing wikipedia only because somebody doesn't like the design
[09:01] <highvoltage> ok
[09:01] <ogra> lucasvo, everybody is free to use edubuntugirl
[09:01] <lucasvo> yeah, let's add a bunch of more bots into every channel
[09:01] <lucasvo> ogra: will it be in every channel as ubotu is?
[09:02] <ogra> thats up to the channel admins
[09:02] <ogra> i doubt you want her in -devel, -motu,-meeting or -bugs
[09:03] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl wouldn't be much use to any other channel
[09:03] <ogra> yes, additionally
[09:03] <ogra> ubotus DB is valuable for her though
[09:04] <lucasvo> why not use ubotus DB?
[09:05] <ogra> lucasvo, because it has the wrong entries and urls
[09:05] <lucasvo> you can write a script that rewrites the urls
[09:05] <highvoltage> lucasvo: we also want to teach edubuntugirl all kinds of other rubbish that ubuto doesn't need to know :)
[09:05] <ogra> ;)
[09:06] <lucasvo> why shouldn't uotu know it?
[09:09] <ogra> becaus it doent need to know how to maintian shooltool for your class
[09:09] <ogra> *schooltool
[09:09] <lucasvo> not need but can :)
[09:16] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: forget root
[09:16] <edubuntugirl> highvoltage: I forgot root
[09:23] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: root
[09:23] <edubuntugirl> Direct login as the root user is disabled in Edubuntu. Refer to http://wiki.edubuntu.org/RootSudo for more information.
[09:25] <ogra> edubuntugirl, schooltool is <reply> The local class management and scheduling solution installed on your edubuntu server
[09:25] <edubuntugirl> ogra: I already know stuff about what schooltool is
[09:25] <ogra> edubuntugirl, schooltool
[09:25] <edubuntugirl> SchoolTool is a project to develop a common global school administration infrastructure that is freely available under an Open Source licence. For more information, see http://www.schooltool.org
[09:25] <LaserJock> cheeky little girl, isn't she
[09:25] <ogra> ok, thats better than mine :) 
[09:25] <cbx33> she's good isn't she
[09:25] <ogra> yeah
[09:26] <lucasvo> !schooltool
[09:26] <ubotu> lucasvo: I give up. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[09:26] <ogra> edubuntugirl, nose is <reply> I have none
[09:26] <edubuntugirl> ogra: sure thing
[09:26] <ogra> hehe
[09:26] <ogra> edubuntugirl, nose
[09:26] <edubuntugirl> I have none
[09:27] <ogra> she's right :)
[09:27] <ogra> edubuntugirl, nose is <reply> I have none, see http://www.edubuntu.org/images/tour/gnome-desktop.png
[09:27] <edubuntugirl> ogra: I already know stuff about what nose is
[09:27] <ogra> hrm
[09:27] <ogra> edubuntugirl, forget nose
[09:27] <edubuntugirl> ogra: You are not authorized to make me forget stuff
[09:27] <ogra> pfft
[09:28] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: forget nose
[09:28] <edubuntugirl> highvoltage: I'm over nose
[09:28] <ogra> edubuntugirl, nose is <reply> I have none, see http://www.edubuntu.org/images/tour/gnome-desktop.png
[09:28] <edubuntugirl> ogra: sure thing
[09:28] <ogra> yeah
[09:28] <highvoltage> ogra: i will get the auth stuff sorted out soon, you'll have forget rights
[09:29] <ogra> fine :)
[09:29] <ogra> she's funny
[09:29] <highvoltage> she has personality
[09:29] <ogra> yep
[09:29] <cbx33> she should say something like....
[09:29] <cbx33> stop messing with my mind :p
[09:29] <ogra> hehe
[09:30] <edubuntugirl> stop messing with my mind
[09:30] <edubuntugirl> :p
[09:30] <cbx33> cbx33 ogra is <reply> a very handsome ubuntu developer
[09:30] <cbx33> edubuntugirl cbx33: I already know stuff about what ogra is
[09:30] <edubuntugirl> cbx33: excuse me?
[09:30] <highvoltage> cbx33: you can do this...
[09:31] <cbx33> got a link to the edubuntu artowrk wallpapers :p
[09:31] <cbx33> heheh
[09:31] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: ogra is also a very handsome ubuntu developer
[09:31] <edubuntugirl> highvoltage: gotcha
[09:31] <highvoltage> cbx33: note the "also"
[09:31] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: ogra
[09:31] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: ogra
[09:31] <edubuntugirl> ogra is Mr. Edubuntu
[09:31] <edubuntugirl> ogra is Mr. Edubuntu
[09:31] <ogra> heh
[09:31] <highvoltage> bah
[09:31] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: literal ogra
[09:31] <edubuntugirl> ogra =is= Oliver Grawert|Mr. Edubuntu|a very handsome ubuntu developer
[09:31] <cbx33> heheh
[09:31] <cbx33> nice work
[09:31] <highvoltage> i didn't do much, it's just a pretty default knab so far :)
[09:32] <ogra> edubuntugirl, seen ogra
[09:32] <edubuntugirl> ogra was last seen on #edubuntu 36 years, 124 days, 19 hours, 36 minutes and 41 seconds ago, saying: heh [Thu Jan  1 01:59:59 1970] 
[09:32] <ogra> wow
[09:32] <highvoltage> hmmm.. i think my computer's time is out :)
[09:32] <ogra> 36 years ago
[09:32] <cbx33> Hahahaha
[09:32] <highvoltage> long time IRC'er :)
[09:32] <ogra> thast pretty close to my birthday
[09:33] <cbx33> edubuntugirl, artwork?
[09:33] <edubuntugirl> cbx33: *blink*
[09:33] <LaserJock> ogra: you've been doing Edubuntu for that long? ;-)
[09:33] <cbx33> edubuntugirl, cbx33
[09:33] <edubuntugirl> cbx33 is Pete Savage
[09:33] <cbx33> oooh :p
[09:33] <edubuntugirl> ogra, i would hug you, but I have no arms :(
[09:34] <ogra> edubuntugirl, artwork is <reply> me in breezy !
[09:34] <edubuntugirl> ogra: okay
[09:34] <cbx33> ogra, has a new girlfriend
[09:34] <ogra> heh
[09:34] <ogra> edubuntugirl, artwork 
[09:34] <edubuntugirl> me in breezy !
[09:35] <highvoltage> hehe
[09:35] <cbx33> edubuntugirl, edubuntugirl 
[09:35] <edubuntugirl> cbx33: *blink*
[09:35] <ogra> cbx33, hrm, my GF heard that ... now she's jealous
[09:36] <LaserJock> ogra: she shouldn't be jealous of a bot
[09:36] <ogra> i spend more time on IRC than in RL :)
[09:36] <LaserJock> ogra: although my wife told me to divorce my computer no to long ago :-)
[09:36] <cbx33> hehe
[09:36] <cbx33> LaserJock, I get the same
[09:38] <edubuntugirl> ubotu: private message
[09:38] <ubotu> ok ;)
[09:39] <highvoltage> hmmm.
[09:39] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: behave
[09:39] <edubuntugirl> i'll try ;)
[09:40] <cbx33> are we ok to use stock photos in our wallpapers
[09:40] <highvoltage> you're right, she's way too cheecky.
[09:40] <cbx33> as long as we pay for them?
[09:40] <highvoltage> what do you mean?
[09:40] <lucasvo> scx.hu is very good and free
[09:41] <cbx33> highvoltage, working on some new wallpapers - well my wife is
[09:41] <highvoltage> nice
[09:41] <cbx33> we sometimes use pics from istockphoto
[09:42] <cbx33> but is that ok in this case?
[09:42] <highvoltage> not sure, edubuntu can only ship something if it's under a free license.
[09:42] <cbx33> hmm....ok
[09:42] <highvoltage> so if you could re-license a photo from there, it would be possible
[09:42] <cbx33> ok
[09:42] <highvoltage> check the conditions on the site. i think that would be your best bet.
[09:43] <ogra> it must be creative commons v2 by sa iirc
[09:43] <ogra> its somewhere on the wiki
[09:43] <cbx33> ok, np I'll either use my photos or hers if we use any
[09:43] <ogra> http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.5/
[09:43] <ogra> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuArtwork
[09:44] <cbx33> kk
[09:44] <highvoltage> ogra: is that our doc license too?
[09:45] <ogra> might be
[09:45] <ogra> in any case its our artwork license 
[09:45] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: artwork license
[09:45] <ogra> i'm not sure we switched to gpl for dpcs
[09:45] <edubuntugirl> artwork license is http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.5
[09:45] <ogra> docs
[09:45] <ogra> ah, nice
[09:46] <LaserJock> the doc team does dual GFDL/CC-SA licenses for docs
[10:00] <ogra> i think cc-sa is only because of the pics
[10:00] <ogra> hehe
[10:00] <ogra> http://unix.rulez.org/~calver/pictures/curves.jpg
[10:01] <cbx33> heheh
[10:01] <highvoltage> lol!
[10:01] <cbx33> i can totally relate to that
[10:01] <lucasvo> cool
[10:01] <cbx33> lisa (my wife) is doing some kewl cartoon drawings for the wallpaper
[10:01] <ogra> nice !
[10:05] <ogra> i really doubt the visual studio curve reaches the vim one even remotely in reality though
[10:05] <cbx33> heheheh
[10:06] <edubuntugirl> i like cartoons.
[10:06] <cbx33> really, do you really :p
[10:07] <cbx33> heheh
[10:08] <cbx33> i thought we had a special thing edubuntugirl 
[10:08] <cbx33> just cos ogra is the handsome one :p
[10:08] <edubuntugirl> cbx33: sorry...
[10:08] <cbx33> heheh
[10:16] <ogra> edubuntugirl, flint
[10:16] <edubuntugirl> flint is a real pain in the... erm.. flint is Paul Flint
[10:17] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: don't you think you're too harsh on him?
[10:17] <edubuntugirl> highvoltage: I'm not following you...
[10:17] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: mdz
[10:17] <edubuntugirl> mdz is an oppertunistic troublemaker
[10:17] <ogra> highvoltage, she should tell you about FITS if you ask for flint
[10:17] <highvoltage> well, that comes from his launchpad page, at least.
[10:18] <highvoltage> what is FITS again?
[10:18] <ogra> oppertunistic ?
[10:18] <ogra> do you write it with e in english ? 
[10:19] <cbx33> highvoltage, who has permission to add knowledge to edubuntugirl 
[10:19] <highvoltage> hmmm... typo
[10:19] <highvoltage> cbx33: anyone, really
[10:19] <cbx33> hmm
[10:19] <cbx33> do you have to type it in this channel or can you pm
[10:20] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: no, mds is an opportunistic troublemaker, see https://launchpad.net/people/mdz
[10:20] <edubuntugirl> highvoltage: gotcha
[10:20] <highvoltage> bah!!
[10:20] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: no, mdz is an opportunistic troublemaker, see https://launchpad.net/people/mdz
[10:20] <edubuntugirl> highvoltage: gotcha
[10:20] <cbx33> cbx33
[10:20] <cbx33> whoops
[10:20] <cbx33> edubuntugirl, cbx33
[10:20] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: forget mds
[10:20] <edubuntugirl> cbx33 is Pete Savage
[10:20] <edubuntugirl> highvoltage: I forgot mds
[10:21] <cbx33> edubuntugirl, cbx33
[10:21] <edubuntugirl> cbx33 is Pete Savage
[10:22] <ogra> edubuntugirl, flint
[10:22] <edubuntugirl> flint is a real pain in the... erm.. flint is Paul Flint
[10:22] <cbx33> edubuntugirl, cbx33
[10:22] <edubuntugirl> cbx33 is the edubuntu general dogsbody - no job too small
[10:23] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: literal flint
[10:23] <edubuntugirl> flint =is= Paul Flint|a real pain in the... erm.. flint is Paul Flint
[10:23] <highvoltage> strange that she picks the last one all the time.
[10:23] <cbx33> highvoltage, should it randomise
[10:23] <highvoltage> yep.
[10:24] <edubuntugirl> flint brings that out in me.
[10:27] <ogra> highvoltage, i was just pointed to the fact that the flint text might be roughly on the edge of CoC-ness
[10:28] <highvoltage> yeah
[10:28] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: forget flint
[10:28] <edubuntugirl> highvoltage: I'm over flint
[10:28] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: flint is Paul Flint
[10:28] <edubuntugirl> highvoltage: gotcha
[10:30] <highvoltage> ogra: sorry, edubuntugirl will behave from now on.
[10:30] <ogra> nah, the text was funny :) 
[10:31] <ogra> we should just adjust it a bit and add the flint induced tourette syndrome to it ;)
[10:31] <cbx33> hehe
[10:31] <highvoltage> hehe!
[10:32] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: edubuntugirl /tourette/
[10:32] <edubuntugirl> highvoltage: *blink*
[10:44] <cbx33> see ya tomorrow everyone
[11:00] <edubuntugirl> hi pygi 
[11:00] <pygi> hi edubuntugirl
[11:00] <edubuntugirl> hello, pygi!
[11:01] <pygi> what's up? 
[11:01] <edubuntugirl> not much. just hanging around.
[11:02] <edubuntugirl> pygi: what's your name?
[11:02] <pygi> why? what I did? you are not from fbi, aren't you? 
[11:02] <pygi> I haven't stoled that apple, I tell you, I haven't...
[11:02] <pygi> really :P
[11:03] <highvoltage> pygi: edubuntugirl is our channel bot.
[11:03] <pygi> so? :P
[11:03] <edubuntugirl> so i can tell whether you're lying or not.
[11:04] <pygi> yea, yea, whatever 
[11:04] <pygi> highvoltage: how is the writing coming along?
[11:04] <highvoltage> pygi: *sigh*
[11:04] <pygi> I will take that as no good =P
[11:04] <highvoltage> pygi: well, i'm on leave from tomorrow to monday, so it's very likely that i'll get a big bit done over the weekend
[11:05] <pygi> joy 
[11:05] <pygi> I haven't seen hedgemage in a  while tho 
[11:06] <highvoltage> yeah
[11:11] <pygi> highvoltage: ah, once this book is written, a relief for a while :) then writing for edgy 
[11:12] <highvoltage> yeah
[11:12] <highvoltage> should be going better once it gets some momentum
[11:12] <pygi> yup, much better =P
[11:13] <pygi> ogra: I "started" hacking the s-c-p today =P
[11:13] <ogra> hey cool
[11:14] <pygi> I thought that contains much more code, but it turned out to be quite simple 
[11:15] <ogra> edubuntugirl, s-c-p is student-control-panel, bzr archive under people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/bzr-archive/student-control-panel-0.1/, spec under https://wiki.edubuntu.org/TeachersPet
[11:15] <edubuntugirl> ogra: sure thing
[11:15] <ogra> edubuntugirl, s-c-p
[11:15] <edubuntugirl> s-c-p is student-control-panel, bzr archive under people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/bzr-archive/student-control-panel-0.1/, spec under https://wiki.edubuntu.org/TeachersPet
[11:15] <ogra> :)
[11:16] <pygi> ogra: the key thingy...does it have to be from ubuntu-member or from a -dev?
[11:16] <ogra> any valid key signing yours will do
[11:17] <ogra> pygi, also please use bzr for the deveolpment, so i can merge your changes easily
[11:17] <pygi> ogra: ah, so it doesn't have to be someone from ubuntu?
[11:18] <ogra> nope
[11:18] <pygi> ogra: I'll try to setup bzr somewhere...
[11:18] <ogra> nay valid key thats signed and on a keyserver
[11:18] <ogra> *any
[11:20] <pygi> ogra: ah, that will be much easier 
[11:21] <highvoltage> goodnight ogra and pygi
[11:21] <highvoltage> goodnight, edubuntugirl 
[11:21] <edubuntugirl> goodnight, highvoltage. I'll keep an eye out for the MS spies while you sleep.
[11:21] <pygi> night highvoltage
[11:22] <ogra> ciao highvoltage 
[11:24] <pygi> ogra: the key thingy should be solved at the morning tommorow
[11:25] <ogra> cool !
[11:26] <pygi> also, how much people do I need to force to back me up to candidate for that CC thingy ?:)
[11:27] <pygi> not that I think I stand a chance with so greater and better contributors then me, but still =P
[11:27] <pygi> I don't have a clue about anything, after all 
[11:27] <ogra> you work on the cookbook, dont you ?
[11:27] <ogra> ;)
[11:28] <pygi> yes, so? =P
[11:28] <pygi> that's nothing 
[11:28] <ogra> thats something 
[11:29] <ogra> working on s-c-p is also a valuable contribution ;)
[11:29] <LaserJock> ogra: do you have an edubuntu council yet?
[11:29] <ogra> LaserJock, see the ML
[11:30] <ogra> we're preparing :)
[11:30] <pygi> ogra: until I see s-c-p in version 2.0, none contribution I value 
[11:30] <ogra> LaserJock, still looking for community members who want to join the council ;)
[11:31] <ogra> pygi, i fear you need to be member for some time first
[11:31] <pygi> bah =P
[11:31] <LaserJock> ogra: I'd be interested but I don't have a lot of Edubuntu experience yet
[11:31] <pygi> ogra: ok, will do 
[11:32] <LaserJock> ogra: but hopefully with Edgy I'll get lots. I'd really like to see Edubuntu tackles university environments
[11:33] <ogra> LaserJock, the voting will be done by the community (i hope) so you could try ;)
[11:33] <ogra> you dont need much experience for a council job :)
[11:34] <ogra> it will mainly be the approval of new members in the beginning, problems will still go to the CC
[11:37] <pygi> ogra: perhaps we should also write a "classroom looks like", where the computers/users can be organised in rows, where they sit, etc
[11:38] <LaserJock> ogra: would I have to be at every meeting?  10:00 UTC is like 03:00 local for me
[11:38] <ogra> LaserJock, only once a month #
[11:38] <ogra> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/edubuntu-devel/2006-April/001353.html
[11:38] <LaserJock> yeah, I'm reading it