[01:01] okay folks, really dumb question: how do I take screen shots during the install, and where are they found once I've taken them? (for the install chapter I'm working on) [01:08] you'll need a vm [01:08] qemu or vmware === HedgeMage nods [01:09] haven't done that before, but I'm sure I can figure it out [01:10] qemu is a major PITA .... [01:10] plan several hours for one install to finish (if you have a fast machine as host) === HoolaHoo [n=HoolaHoo@ti200710a080-15274.bb.online.no] has joined #edubuntu === HoolaHoo [n=HoolaHoo@ti200710a080-15274.bb.online.no] has left #edubuntu [] [01:11] oh fun [01:12] yep [01:12] but you can take highvolatges shots, they are fine [01:13] http://proto.edubuntu.org/gettingstarted [01:13] cool [01:13] that'll save quite a bit of time [01:13] be back later... have errands to run === HedgeMage waves [01:13] please ignore the resolution screenshot [01:13] that only happens if your monitor has a broken bios [01:14] and admin as the admin username might also lead to problems [01:15] the default sudoers group is called admin ... might have unpredictable side effects (even it *shouldnt* but you never know) === HedgeMage nods [01:16] I'll walk through an install on a spare box when I have time, write the doc, then test it with the newbie friend I mentioned :) [01:16] anyhow, I need a shower, then I'm out of here === HedgeMage waves [01:16] the initial CD bootscreen will change as well ... the server menuoption will disappear or get renamed [01:16] enjoy === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #edubuntu === Burgundavia_ [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #edubuntu === neurogeek [n=neurogee@201.211.166.11] has joined #edubuntu === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu === neurogeek_ [n=neurogee@201.211.166.11] has joined #edubuntu === HedgeMage [i=HedgeMag@freenode/staff/HedgeMage] has joined #edubuntu === neurogeek_ is now known as neurogeek === LaserJock is now known as LaserJock_away === no_no_no [n=no@lexdsl01.4.0.1.102.iglou.com] has joined #edubuntu [06:38] can anyone point me to a really really basic walkthrough? for setting up edubuntu in a lab? === axl000 [n=axl@162-49-89.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #edubuntu [06:39] anyone here can help? [06:41] ask in four hours. [06:41] lol [06:41] no, I'm serious. More people in EU will be awake. [06:41] ahh okay [06:42] no_no_no: what exactly do u want to know? [06:42] im trying to set up edubuntu clients [06:42] ive followed these directions on the server [06:42] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ThinClientHowtoNAT [06:43] now im trying to figure out how to get the clients to boot off it.. if they cant network boot [06:43] i nee to put something on a floppy and put it on the HD [06:43] and so i have this : [06:43] http://ltsp.org/documentation/ltsp-4.1/ltsp-4.1-en.html#AEN618 [06:44] but im lost... [06:44] im at rom-o-matic and it wants me to choose an NIC/ROM type! omg [06:44] what **IS** this? [06:48] :/ [06:48] it say: [06:48] # Load the linux kernel into the memory of the workstation. This can be done several different ways, including: [06:48] 1. Bootrom (Etherboot,PXE,MBA,Netboot) [06:48] 2. Floppy [06:48] 3. Hard disk [06:48] 4. CD-ROM [06:48] 5. USB Memory device [06:48] i wanna put it on the HD. [06:49] and then it say: [06:49] # Hard disk [06:49] The hard disk can be used with LILO or GRUB, to load the Linux kernel and initrd. OR, you can load the Etherboot bootrom image from the hard disk, and it will act like a bootrom. [06:59] no_no_no: why r u using the live cd? [07:02] huh? [07:02] im not. [07:02] i found help [07:02] https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation/BootingClientsWithoutPxe === zakame [n=zak@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #edubuntu === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #edubuntu === mode/#edubuntu [+o highvoltage] by ChanServ === JaneW [n=JaneW@dsl-146-141-13.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === guim [n=glederer@104.241-200-80.adsl-fix.skynet.be] has joined #edubuntu === aaron__ [n=no@lexdsl01.4.0.1.102.iglou.com] has joined #edubuntu [08:58] anyone here can help? === pips1 [n=philipp@hsz-hgkz.isz.ch] has joined #edubuntu [09:32] aaron__: ask a specific question, please [09:34] heya [09:34] im trying to get edubuntu to work .. im booting from PXE and theres an error 17 with grub [09:35] what's error 17? [09:35] what does it say? === cbx33 [n=c2df514b@mail.trinsite.co.uk] has joined #edubuntu [09:35] hi cbx33 ! [09:35] hi lucasvo === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu === noodleman [n=nathanda@host217-41-3-218.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has joined #edubuntu [10:41] hey [10:41] i keep getting a "killed" message repeating when i install anyone know why? [10:51] did give us a chance to answer [10:51] didn;t === B4zzA [n=chevron_@l2-202-89-181-19.arach.net.au] has joined #edubuntu [11:16] ogra: is there already a spec on how to implement localdevices on ltsp? [11:16] e.g. usb storage [11:16] lucasvo, nope, as i said yesterday [11:17] when did you say that? [11:18] ogra: good morning [11:18] has someone mentioned about the ltsp boot splash still saying ubuntu and not edubuntu? [11:18] is this something that will be changed [11:18] cbx33, i'd like to, i'm not sure if its to intrusive [11:19] lucasvo, yesterday, before jono cam in i think [11:21] ogra: do you know how the authentication works in ltsp? [11:21] ?? [11:21] when you log in [11:24] ssh [11:25] I'm a little confused, how much is stored in the ltsp root [11:25] if I install something on the main machine....it still turns up in the ltsp root [11:26] does that make sense [11:26] cbx33: how do you mean that? [11:26] well I was logged on last night....after it had finished installing [11:26] and I installed xchat [11:26] and? [11:26] now when i log on as a client i have access to that [11:27] i thought I had to chroot into the ltsp root to install software there? [11:27] cbx33: thats the reason why one should use thin clients [11:27] the applications are installed und executed on the server [11:27] that's why I'm confused.....what does the ltsp root actually do then [11:28] if I can install apps as normal [11:28] the client is only a minimal system with X-server which connnects over an ssh tunnel to the server [11:28] right i see [11:28] so the ltsp root is just that to run the X-client [11:28] yes [11:29] right....... [11:31] imagine the thin client as mouse/keyboard/monitor extension of the server, nothing more [11:32] cbx33: you know the X system with server/client? [11:32] yes [11:33] X-client is on the server [11:33] X-server is on the client [11:33] right === Tdog [n=Miranda@pc-133.inka.hik.se] has joined #edubuntu [11:41] is there a browsable listing of universe packages of dapper on the web somewhere? [11:42] i.e. similar to the browsable debian package web pages... [11:43] packages.ubuntu.com you mean ? === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #edubuntu [11:50] ogra, thanks, that's what i was looking for... but it doesn't list dapper packages yet? [11:50] they only list releases [11:51] ah [11:51] how can I check which version of a certain package will be in dapper-universe? [11:54] you cant [11:54] it might still get updated [11:55] (thats why packages.u.c only has released versions) [11:58] ogra, but I guess I could browse the packages from within a dapper beta live cd, no? [11:59] in synaptic [12:00] (I don't currently have that cd here...) [12:00] ? === zakame [n=zak@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #edubuntu [12:02] sure [12:02] but that still wont tell you if we update a package the next 5 weeks or not :) [12:09] ogra: got that fix for me to test with the clock skew yet? [12:10] and were those updates ok? [12:10] cbx33, nope, that has to wait ... [12:10] they started building a beta2 [12:10] crikey, ok....... [12:10] same for the updates? [12:11] need a hand with anything? [12:16] is it a known bug in breezy OO that you can't print off from a .doc or a .rtf, but you can from a .odt ?? [12:16] it needs testing indeed :) [12:16] as soon as I resave a file I can print it [12:17] no idea, i rarely use ooo [12:17] (i dont even keep it installed) [12:17] hehe [12:17] well, working in a school it's kind of a must for me: :p [12:17] its a space hog ... [12:17] indeed it is [12:17] i need the space for development usually :) [12:18] but for some a necessary space hog [12:19] I'll be available to test whenever you need it [12:20] and anything else you can throw at me..... [12:22] will still take some hours until the first isos are ready [12:24] np [12:28] ogra: seems like you never get a rest :p [12:28] why the wuick turnaround? [12:28] *quick? [12:30] there is an evil bug in the liveCD installer that wipes your partition table in certain situations [12:30] bugger === bimberi [n=bimberi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.bimberi] has joined #edubuntu [12:30] I'm glad I did't try that out [12:31] but my VM wouldn't have minded :p [12:39] ogra: you gonna be able to make the meeting? === blugtu [n=blue@host132-237.pool874.interbusiness.it] has joined #edubuntu [12:52] cbx33, I PARTIALLY HOLD THE MEETING [12:52] whoops [12:52] sorry, capslock freked out [12:52] *freaked [12:53] hi ogra :) [12:53] im bluekuja^^ [12:54] hi cbx33 [12:54] hi [12:54] how do we know that blugtu :p [12:54] you could be an evil imposter :p [12:55] hehehe [12:55] yes [12:55] you...are.... [12:55] Bluekuja never laughs like that [12:55] lol [12:55] ogra: can you remove the oik please :p [12:55] if you want i can talk in italian [12:55] hehe :) [12:55] oik ? [12:56] urchin? === cbx33 [n=c2df514b@mail.trinsite.co.uk] has joined #edubuntu [12:56] how does urchin grab you [12:56] oliver meeting at 2 o'clock? [12:57] pete how is going with the channel? [12:57] good, I announced it today, every was very thankful [12:57] good [12:57] :) [12:58] but i forgot to setup CGIIRC so I can get in there [12:58] later ill create you [12:58] the radio channel [12:58] ;) [12:58] thank you [12:58] np man [12:58] you're welcome [12:58] we almost have a preview episode ready :D [12:58] ehhe [12:58] pete you didnt believe me before? [12:59] ahhhh maybe I do now [12:59] :p [12:59] hehe yes [12:59] im away from home [12:59] or maybe some has hacked your network and was readying our conversations yesterday [12:59] lol [12:59] no there are [12:59] a lot of security [01:00] checks [01:00] ^^ [01:00] pete 1 hour for te meeting? [01:00] yes === cbx33 is looking forward to it [01:01] I love meetings :D [01:01] lol [01:01] agenda? [01:01] standard agenda [01:01] oh okie [01:01] i go to eat [01:01] i just finished [01:01] see you later [01:01] cya === C-O-L-T [n=icechat5@193.231.163.10] has joined #edubuntu === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #edubuntu === mode/#edubuntu [+o highvoltage] by ChanServ [01:13] hi highvoltage [01:15] hey highvoltage [01:15] good morning/afternoon ^^ === jinty [n=jinty@84.Red-83-55-199.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu [01:41] **REMINDER** Edubuntu Update meeting in 20 mins in #ubuntu-meeting === C-O-L-T [i=icechat5@193.231.163.10] has joined #edubuntu [01:44] JaneW ,which are agenda items? [01:45] blugtu, same as always ... [01:45] hi blugtu / cbx33 [01:45] perfect oliver [01:45] hi jon [01:45] :) [01:45] not perfect :) [01:45] we'll need to change that [01:45] ah, blugtu = bluekaja? [01:45] yep [01:45] yep jon im bluekuja [01:45] :) [01:46] yes ogra ,an edubuntu agenda would be nice [01:46] ^^ === C-O-L-T is now known as C-O-L-T-AWAY [01:46] blugtu, yes, but the static agenda was sufficient for the last 7 months ... [01:47] tep thats true [01:47] *yep [01:47] heheh [01:48] highvoltage : drupal translation is no more needed? [01:48] blugtu: it's needed, we just don't have the infrastructure :/ [01:48] oh okie [01:48] it will be available soon ? [01:48] is LP account management in place already ? [01:49] or in the next future? [01:49] im alwais ready for that , so jon just ask me when its available , [01:49] blugtu: hedgemadge knows someone who's working on something, apparently the newer version of drupal will have better translations support. worst case scenario, we do something manual and hacky. [01:49] in LP [01:50] ogra: there's a slight bug in ltsp [01:50] ok then [01:50] blugtu: although, if you want to manually start translating some pages, go ahead [01:50] but it could be intentional [01:50] blugtu: we could consider having an it.edubuntu.org, or something similar [01:50] ok perfect [01:50] cbx33, ? [01:50] wiki space will be on ubuntu-it.org website [01:50] the ltsp client splash screen is ubuntu not edubuntu [01:50] but thereis the theme available [01:50] also mailing list [01:51] *sigh* [01:51] the symlink is wrong [01:51] it's a simple symlink change [01:51] nope [01:51] want me to investigate? [01:51] its not [01:51] no [01:51] ok [01:51] i know the problewm [01:51] sorry [01:51] cbx33: ogra knows what needs to happen, and how it needs to happen :) [01:51] we talked about it before [01:52] oh right....my apologies [01:52] highvoltage: we are setting up all things to put something online ,initially there will be a link in the homepage, that will go to edubuntu space with some basic informations, next ill translate getting started space for ogra [01:52] edubuntu-artwork-usplash isnt installed in the chroot [01:52] i just did a simple fix by modifying the /etc/alternatives/ldm-theme symlink [01:52] ah i see [01:52] thats something different [01:53] ogra: how is going with the getting started page? [01:53] that's what i meant.....the login screen [01:53] indeed thats trivial, but a symlink is wrong, you broke it ;) [01:53] almost done [01:53] ? [01:53] oh [01:53] :( [01:53] use update-alternatives ldm-theme in the chroot [01:53] i wanted to customise it for our school [01:53] ok [01:53] will do... === cbx33 makes a note to wiki this.....if it's not already done [01:54] no need to wiki that [01:54] edubuntu-artwork will care for it [01:54] ah ok [01:54] ogra: ? === cbx33 shuts up....seems like i need to read more....makeing a fool of myself again :p lol [01:55] cbx33, nah, you cant know my todo list :) [01:56] ogra: is the getting started page done and rdy for translations? [01:57] blugtu, nope [01:57] okie, just ping me when its done [02:03] i used the update alternatives and ....now ....it ...died === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-240-223.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu [02:49] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/ltsp-server/+bug/32066 - ogra is this to be closed now appears to be solved [02:49] not yet [02:50] oh [02:50] yes, this one can be closed === pips1 [n=philipp@hsz-hgkz.isz.ch] has left #edubuntu ["Leaving"] [02:50] i thought you pointed to the time shift one [02:53] closed [02:58] heheh [03:00] nice [03:01] yay our first candidate on the page ! [03:01] I aim to please === sfllaw [i=sfllaw@debian/developer/coleSLAW] has joined #edubuntu [03:01] ogra: I uploaded my hackergotchi :p [03:01] hehehehehe [03:01] hey sfllaw [03:01] Hey. [03:01] ohhh# [03:01] So I read the tail end of your meeting. === ogra goes looking [03:01] noooo [03:02] heh, nice haircut :) [03:02] haha [03:02] tony from hantslug constantly ribs me about it [03:03] :) [03:03] I'm not as handsome as you though ogra [03:03] :p [03:03] bah, indeed you are [03:03] And it occurs to me that I should get a feel for how you guys handle bugs. [03:04] sfllaw, not at all until you came [03:04] edubuntu bugs were my private pleasure [03:04] heheh [03:04] What constitutes an Edubuntu bug? [03:04] with you appearing on the scene we created the edubuntu bugsquad [03:04] Wow. [03:05] So, like on Monday? === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #edubuntu [03:05] I only found out about BugSquads then too. [03:05] the app is a dependency of edubuntu-dekto or edubuntu-server and not in ubuntu [03:05] so things like gcompris, kdeedu and the tux4kids apps ... as well as kino, blender and scibus [03:05] it think thats it already [03:06] for ltsp bugs it depends if its install related (edubuntu) or in any other area of ltsp (ubuntu) [03:06] ogra: know if ardour is in ubuntu univser? [03:06] Wait a second, gcompris is in optional. [03:06] doesnt matter [03:07] we dont change the debian sections [03:07] So the "not in Ubuntu" is not particularly important. [03:07] cbx33, ardour-gtk ? [03:07] yes [03:07] sfllaw, nope [03:07] edubuntu-{desktop, server} is what counts === neurogeek [n=neurogee@200.93.35.152] has joined #edubuntu [03:08] All right. [03:08] sfllaw, http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/seeds/edubuntu-dapper/desktop [03:08] look for "= EduBuntu specific Software =" [03:08] the list below counts [03:09] and http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/seeds/edubuntu-dapper/server [03:10] (apart from ltsp, which is ubuntu, but including ltsp installer bugs which is specific for edubuntu) [03:10] All right. Thanks! [03:10] :) [03:11] sfllaw, https://launchpad.net/people/edubuntu-bugs is the bugsquad you can subscribe to these bugs === pygi_ [n=pygi@83-131-247-95.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu === zakame [n=zak@210.213.78.99] has joined #edubuntu [03:12] ogra: And this group of people _fix_ bugs? [03:12] hi all [03:12] sfllaw, the _triage_ bugs [03:13] in the end i mostly fix them [03:13] OK. The team description's a little misleading. [03:13] just got an update from znarl, he said the proto to www update will take place tomorrow morning, 9UTC [03:13] edubuntu is a bit lacking in developer power, it just starts getting better [03:13] JaneW: ^^^ [03:13] yay [03:13] ogra: I'll be helping as soon as I learn enough [03:14] sfllaw, future target is that this group does whats described there [03:14] ogra: Do you mind touching it up so people won't get confused? See https://launchpad.net/people/bugsquad for an example? [03:14] do you need any of these bugs confirming, or need more information? [03:14] Well, let's not count our chickens before they hatch. [03:14] highvoltage: btw, in safari the page doesn't go over 100% widht, is that meant ot be like this? [03:15] highvoltage: cool, I'll be on standby for the countdown :) [03:16] sfllaw, updates [03:16] sfllaw, updated [03:16] highvoltage: is the search feature going to work when the update happens? [03:16] ogra: Excellent! You rock. [03:16] ogra: do you need any of the edubuntu bugs confirming, or need more information? [03:16] ogra: I showed some artwork samples to independent ppl as in the meeting [03:17] here's the response [03:17] Raven i like the chalk one [03:17] Raven but mostly cos i think the other would be insulting to people older than 0 [03:17] Raven 10 [03:17] Nuffing Raven: target age of 6-10 [03:17] cbx33, the open ones are all on my radar ... find the ones that arent assigned to edubuntu yet [03:17] ok [03:17] Raven nods, 6-10s might like something less boring [03:17] Nuffing Raven: I agree [03:17] JaneW, which is "the other one" ? [03:18] I showed him the children of edubuntu as the other [03:18] ah [03:18] and asked which was better [03:18] but thats not compareable [03:18] as an adult he said chalkboard as the best of 2 bad choices [03:18] and then conceded that it's too boring for kids [03:19] you should rather have showed him/her the yellow neutral one [03:19] or the marbles [03:19] yes, I'll do that === cbx33 is speaking to lisa, my wife about the wallpaper now [03:23] *boing* === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #edubuntu === pips1 [n=philipp@hsz-hgkz.isz.ch] has joined #edubuntu [03:31] http://www.learningelectric.com/newpage.html [03:31] very nice ^^^ === vincenzio [n=vmarks@adsl-065-015-231-005.sip.rmo.bellsouth.net] has joined #edubuntu [03:32] should I asked him to say edu BOON TOO instead of BUN tu [03:32] bah, flash [03:32] yes, unfortunately ... [03:33] cant people use a format i can view ? [03:34] oh dear [03:42] it's very well done [03:45] edu BUN tu ... LOL [03:45] all North Americans insist on say You BUN to [03:45] it;s very funny [03:45] nice flash movie, though [03:46] but then I have grown up with the real pronounciation, so maybe that's why it's funny to me. [03:46] yes it's great [03:49] his North American pronunciation is quite pronounced :-) [03:50] actually he says ed a bun too [03:51]