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kmonthe system:/ ioslave is still broken :( Are you going to ship it like it is right now?12:03
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Riddellkmon: no, I'll add back the patch to reduce use of it when tonio gives us his other kdebase changes12:05
kmonMaybe the kubuntu linuxtag booth is a perfect place to talk to upstream about it ;)12:06
kmonRiddell: thanks12:06
Riddellervin won't be there as far as I know12:06
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Tonio_Riddell: kdeprint patch works ;)12:09
Tonio_building the debdiff and that will be okay12:09
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RiddellTonio_: you rock12:12
Tonio_Riddell: ;)12:12
pygiTonio_: what you did this time? 12:12
Riddelltalking of kdeprint fixes, please test http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/kdelibs/  for successful-ok issue12:13
raphinkisn't this what Tonio just fixed ?12:16
raphinkkmon: are you coming to LT ?12:16
kmonraphink: nope12:16
raphinkRiddell: you'er not to be there, right?12:16
kmonraphink: i'm from spain12:17
raphinkkmon: that happens ;)12:17
Riddellraphink: nope12:17
Riddelldon't plan to be anyway12:18
kmonmark is going to be there?12:18
LureRiddell: I probably need to logout for new kdelibs to get used?12:19
RiddellLure: no12:19
RiddellLure: but run things from the command line12:19
Riddellelse kdeinit will run them and that'll use the old libs12:19
LureRiddell: kcmshell printers still reports successful-ok :-(12:20
kwwiihttp://bootsplash.org/kubuntu-banner4.png12:20
RiddellLure: hmm, bah12:20
LureRiddell: if .so is in memory, it will get used and not new one (IMHO)12:21
LureI will try to log out and log in.12:21
Lurebrb12:21
Riddellkwwii: rocking12:21
Lurekwwii: that looks cool!12:22
kwwiicoming right along I think12:22
kwwiiit needs to go to the printers tomorrow so I am trying to get it finished before I pass out12:22
kwwiiI wonder what mark will say about the orange and yellow12:22
kwwiiit reminds me of the old kde artists site12:23
kwwii(which I miss very much)12:23
kmonwhen a new package is updated, the new version overwrites the old one in disk, but if the contents of the package are in memory (in use) unless you reboot you won't be using the new version, right? and what happens with a big update of say, lots of libraries som in memory, some in disk ?12:23
pygikwwii: looks nice 12:24
kwwiipygi: thanks!12:24
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pygiNow, if only I could make it for that conference 12:24
pygisomeone remind me when is it pls?12:25
LureRiddell: successful-ok still there after login - sorry :-(12:25
kwwiipygi: do you do artwork?12:25
kwwiipygi: the 6th12:25
pygikwwii: no, I don't do artwork =P12:25
kwwiilucky you!12:25
pygiwell, wanna switch places? 12:25
kwwiipygi: nope, I was born to loose :-)12:26
pygiI'll do the artwork for one release, and you'll do coding for one release 12:26
kwwiilol12:26
kwwiipygi: depending on what kind of coding, I'll take you up on that12:26
pygioki, doki :) Network auth and S-C-P should be enough for you for edgy? 12:27
kwwiiwell networking stuff isn't sooo bad12:27
pygireally, you think so? :) wanna work on it? 12:27
kwwiiI have a friend at the frauenhofer institute working networking stuff, so I have a mentor, so to speak12:27
kwwiino, not really, I am making enough money doing the art thing12:28
pygithat's like month of fulltime developers work I assume12:28
Tonio_Riddell: http://planetemu.net/temp/kdebase-debdiff12:28
Tonio_Riddell: there it is12:28
pygikwwii: good for you :) 12:28
kwwiipygi: if I could somehow get into it, then I would stay up all night doing it for months...that is how the whole bootsplash thing happened12:29
LureRiddell: I need sleep now, but I can test print issue tommorow if you will have new test packages...12:29
kwwiiwe almost lost our jobs for that12:29
pygikwwii: hehe :) agreed...once I start something, no stoping until it's done...and it's never done 12:29
tomaTonio_: shouldn't you be redocorating?12:29
Tonio_toma: you mean ?12:30
kwwiipygi: it is the same with artwork unfortunately12:30
LureTonio_: flooded appartment12:30
Tonio_toma, Lure: ah ;) 12:30
pygikwwii: hehe 12:30
tomaTonio_: I imagen you had 2m high water there12:30
Tonio_well in fact I fought the water all last night12:30
Tonio_so that nothing got destroyed :)12:30
tomaah, what happened then?12:31
Tonio_but as I'm awake for 40 hours, it is a bit hard now :)12:31
Tonio_toma: well I waited 9 am for a professionnal to come looking at the issue, and well, it is technically hard to explain, I don't have the vocabulary12:31
Tonio_but appart for the paint on walls, nothing got destroyed, so that's nice12:32
tomaTonio_: hmm, ok. good to hear that!12:32
tomaallee: pingos12:32
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pygikwwii: good luck with artwork thingy :) you are doing a great job 12:33
alleetoma pong12:33
pyginight Lure12:33
alleenite Lure 12:33
tomaallee: tomorrow is the kubuntu meeting iirc, will you attend it?12:33
kwwiipygi: thanks :-)12:33
pygikwwii: if you ever need an opinion, poke me 12:34
alleeTonio_: unfortunately not.  Tomorrow is 'Night of Music' in my Hometown.  Beate will kill me when I come too late ;)12:34
kwwiioh, I post stuff all the time here, don't worry12:34
kwwii:-)12:34
tomaallee: ah, ok! nice!12:35
Riddellallee: can you test the new kdelibs packages for kdeprint successful-ok issue?12:35
alleeRiddell: updating ...12:36
toma*: i have a feeling i might not be able to join it, but i did put up an item, i can mail a summary of my item, so anyone can paste it, i can catch up the responses in the minutes. Is anyone willing to paste it?12:36
Riddellallee: from kubuntu.org?12:36
pygikwwii: but I mostly don't see it cause I work on other things =P12:37
alleeRiddell: obviously not.  No new kdelibs stuff :)  deb line?12:37
RiddellTonio_: you remove debian/tmp/usr/share/apps/kdesktop/directory.trash12:37
kwwiipygi: hehe, pay attention! :-)12:37
Riddellallee: http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/kdelibs/  (no apt)12:38
pygikwwii: bah - kwwii, pay attention to coding 12:38
Tonio_Riddell: yes, that was already discussed, and you were fine with the "no .desktop icon on the desktop"12:38
tomaoki, that saves me some time. night all.12:38
kwwiipygi: ;-)12:38
Tonio_Riddell: it makes it strange for newbies when using konqueror, and since we don't use it, why should we keep it ?12:38
alleeRiddell: 'k installing ...12:39
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RiddellTonio_: how does it make it strange for people?12:39
Tonio_Riddell: well, when they go to ~/Desktop in konqueror, they see trash.desktop12:39
Tonio_first point is that it should appear as "Trash" and not trash.desktop12:40
Tonio_second point is, since we already have the trash on kicker, what is the need of it on the desktop if we hide it ?12:40
Tonio_it has nodisplay=true....12:40
RiddellTonio_: hmm, it would be nice for people to be able to restore the Wastebin on the desktop easily if they want to12:40
Tonio_Riddell: so we should have kept home.desktop and system.desktop too12:41
Tonio_Riddell: splitting to another package ?12:41
Tonio_kde-desktop-icons12:42
RiddellTonio_: I don't think that's necessary, maybe we can just put them in /usr/share/apps/kdesktop/unused12:42
Riddellto pick a random directory12:43
Tonio_Riddell: and document the wiki for people who really want the desktop files on their desktop12:43
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Tonio_Riddell: but if we do that, we should remove the nodisplay=true attribute12:44
Riddellyeah12:44
=== kmon leaves, good night everyone
Tonio_Riddell: will you do it ? if you don't have time, I will but tomorrow, since I have a documentation to finish this night for work :)12:45
RiddellI don't have time tonight12:46
Tonio_Riddell: so I'll do it tomorrow12:46
Riddellthat would be lovely12:46
Tonio_hur....... wait, I'll do it now, it'll take 2 minutes12:46
Tonio_Riddell: finally tomorrow, since I have patches to rebuild for this, and no time for12:47
freeflying-ibookbug 3461012:49
UbugtuMalone bug 34610 in kchmviewer "Crashes when I try to run or open chm file " [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/3461012:49
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freeflying-ibookcan anyone confirm this on ppc for me?12:49
freeflying-ibookraphink: ping12:50
alleeRiddell: no still same warning. Even after logout/in 12:50
Riddellallee: ok, same as Lure said.  thanks for testing12:50
raphinkfreeflying-ibook: pong12:50
freeflying-ibookraphink: can you have a test for kchmviewer on ppc12:51
raphinkI'd have to install it :(12:51
alleeRiddell: FWIW I have no local printers, instead local cups-server listens for browse info on lan12:51
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freeflying-ibookraphink: it's strange, only crash on ppc 12:52
raphinkfreeflying-ibook: ah?12:52
raphinkwell I'll try in a while12:52
raphinki dno't have chm files anyway12:52
freeflying-ibookraphink: heh, give you one?12:53
raphinksure mail it to me12:53
kwwiitime to hit the hay....bis morgen :-)12:57
raphinkmorgen kwwii12:58
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freeflying-ibookraphink: damn, gamil dosen't permit me send file in chm format, even I compress it 12:58
kwwiiraphink: you mean "nacht kwwii"12:58
kwwiior "bis morgen kwwii"12:58
kwwiianyway, you can teach me french and I will teach you german :-)12:59
kwwiibut for now I am going to bed :-)12:59
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freeflying-ibookraphink: http://www.woodpecker.org.cn/diveintopython/download/Dive.Into.Python-zh-cn-5.4-with-code.chm01:06
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pyginight01:08
freeflying-ibookpygi: morning :)01:08
pygiyea, very interesting freeflying 01:08
freeflying-ibookheh01:09
pygi01:10
pygienjoy01:10
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raphinknight everybody01:48
OdyXnight raphink01:52
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Tonio_Riddell: ping ? I have the debdiff for kdebase with dekstop files in unsused folder03:06
Tonio_Riddell: http://www.planetemu.net/temp/kdebase-debdiff when you're available ;)03:07
HobbseeTonio_: it's 2am over there...03:09
Hobbsee:P03:09
Tonio_Hobbsee: 3 am in france ;)03:10
Hobbseecrazy...03:10
Tonio_hehe03:10
Hobbseethat's a mad thing to do, mmm kay?03:10
Hobbsees/mad/bad03:10
Tonio_Hobbsee: true, but I'm like that since I am very young03:11
Tonio_I've never been able to sleep more than 4 hours by night....03:11
Hobbseei'm jealous...03:11
Tonio_I know that's good for ealth anyway03:11
Tonio_Hobbsee: what time is it for you ?03:13
Hobbsee11am wednesday03:13
Tonio_Hobbsee: wow 8 hours difference....... I the understand the reason you wanted the meetings to be set after 22 ;)03:14
Tonio_22 utc sorry ;)03:14
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RiddellLure, allee, seaLne; new kdeprint for testing http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/kdelibs/12:10
Riddellshould get rid of successful-ok thing12:10
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cmvoRiddell: Hi! Interesting, I'll give it a try. I was just looking at the source of kdeprint...12:19
Riddellthanks12:19
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kwwiimoin12:20
cmvokwwii: moin moin!12:20
seaLneRiddell: ah i thought my printing problem got fixed by other updates today/last night as i can now print still get an error tho?12:22
RiddellseaLne: maybe you had a different error12:23
Riddellthe successful-ok thing is what this is aiming at12:23
LureRiddell: successful-ok fixed for me and printing still works (with cups rc3 from this morning)12:23
LureseaLne: do you still get those dialogs? 12:24
RiddellLure: oh, cups fixed it first?12:24
freeflyingseaLne: hi12:24
LureRiddell: I would say no, as I have printed at least once with rc3 before and have seen it (not 100% sure though)12:25
Riddellhm, that sort of bug12:26
LureI think it was your new packages that fixed it12:26
cmvoRiddell: Hm, I'm still getting the error message with cups rc3 (dist-upgrade from this morning)12:26
RiddellLure: so you installed my kdelibs from just now as well?12:26
Lureyes12:26
Riddellcmvo: suessful-ok?12:26
Riddellcmvo: can you see if my kdelibs fixes it12:27
cmvoRiddell: Yup, successful-ok.12:28
cmvoRiddell: The kdelibs fix it. No error message when starting kprinter.12:29
LureseaLne: do you still get your messages (as they were not successful-ok)12:30
seaLneRiddell: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/41151/+index the cupsdoprint was what stopped me printing but i got successful-ok-ignored-or-substituted-attributes rather than successful-ok12:30
UbugtuMalone bug 41151 in kdebase kdeprint "successful-ok error reported when printer list is retrieved " [Normal,Confirmed]  12:30
seaLneLure: yeah (not with Riddell's packages as i haven't tried them yet)12:30
kwwiirebooting, brb12:30
cmvoRiddell: Just being curious: What changed in the ubuntu10 libs?12:36
seaLneRiddell: yep your package makes my error go away12:37
Riddellcmvo: cool12:38
Riddellcmvo: see changelog12:38
RiddellseaLne: great12:38
seaLnethanks12:39
seaLnei wonder what got fixed overnight12:39
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cmvoAnybody using a custom modeline with the xorg ati server? It worked with 6.8.2 in breezy, in dapper it gets ignored.01:12
alleeRiddell: with kdelibs ubuntu10 no successful okay msg anymore. Testprint was okay too.01:35
Riddellallee: great, thanks01:36
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=== Hobbsee thinks all timezones should be BANNED!
RiddellYes, we should all use UTC02:48
Riddellactually if it wasn't or the English, Scotland probably would02:48
Riddellwell, GMT, which is close enough02:49
Hobbseehehe02:51
HobbseeAU with timezones is a pain.  still, it's 8am, so it's not too bad02:51
=== Hobbsee tries to think of more to add to the meeting page
freeflyingRiddell: will another beta out soon?02:52
alleeHobbsee: you won't miss the sun when you switch your personal time to UTC? :)02:52
Riddellfreeflying: yes, today02:52
Hobbseeheh02:52
=== Hobbsee hisses at the evil sun
RiddellHobbsee: move to .nz, then it's a simple 12 hour difference02:53
Hobbseehehe02:53
Hobbseeit's cold there though - and you'd have a frozen hobbsee...02:53
freeflyingRiddell: now kubntu can support Chinese quite fine, but not ubuntu :)02:53
Riddellfreeflying: really?  what changed?02:54
alleefreeflying: congrats!02:54
freeflyingRiddell: for the damn gtk lib, it can not display chinese font well02:54
LureRiddell: seen your agenda item for meeting (which I will not be able to join :-(() - I am even more confused now02:54
freeflyingallee: thanks02:54
RiddellLure: what's confusing?02:54
LureDoes this mean that you have to apply for Ubuntu and Kubuntu membership or are they equal?02:55
Riddellthey're the same thing02:55
Riddellfor ubuntu you go through CC, for kubuntu you go through whatever we decide at the meeting tomorrow02:55
=== Hobbsee thinks that we should just trust Riddell on it, personally :P
RiddellHobbsee: that scares me a lot :)02:55
Hobbseeseeing as i think separate kubuntu/ubuntu membership would create more problems than it fixes02:56
Lureinteresting... I am on the list for Ubuntu CC (last time there was not enough time), so this mean that I should get off that list and wait for decision on Kubuntu meeting instead?02:56
freeflyingRiddell: meeting tomorrow?02:56
Hobbseefreeflying: see topic02:56
Riddellfreeflying: yes02:56
HobbseeLure: go for the CC meeting - dont you like getting grilled?  :P02:56
Riddellfreeflying: if you can get up early enough02:57
LureHobbsee: no pb with that, but I though TB is the grill and not CC ;)02:57
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Hobbseewhatever it is...02:57
freeflyingRiddell: sure, I'd , I geot up at 4:00 this morning 02:57
Riddellwow02:57
Riddellboth TB and CC can grill or not grill depending on their mood02:57
Hobbseetrue02:58
freeflyingTB and CC shall care more about asian guys 02:58
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Hobbseethe other two didnt, so much02:58
LureHobbsee: they like grilled women probably  ;-)02:58
=== Hobbsee should have gotten off easily for being female - not the other way around!
=== Lure would think so too
Hobbseei thought the idea was preferential treatment, if any difference was given at all :P02:59
Hobbseemind you, a lot of the "preferential" treatment is just common sense - it gets awfully confusing otherwise, to figure out who should go through a door first, etc03:00
=== Hobbsee has heard guys complaining about this before, and doesnt understand why :P
Hobbseemake that guys complaining about having to give the girls preferential treatment03:03
LureRiddell : where can we get this:03:04
Lure[14:44]  <Kamion> Riddell: beta2-candidate Kubuntu live CDs up for testing03:04
RiddellLure: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20060426.1/03:05
Riddell** please all test beta 2 ^^03:05
Riddellrsync if you already have an iso03:05
HobbseeRiddell: if i'm late or whatever for the meeting, go to the next item, and i'll go later...03:09
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LureRiddell: what is rsync path?03:11
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Riddellsee https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuFiles03:11
RiddellHobbsee: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2006-April/001146.html03:12
HobbseeRiddell: gotcha, so it just hasnt hit the digest yet03:13
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freeflyingRiddell: bug 32939 still exist03:28
UbugtuMalone bug 32939 in konversation "konversation does not appear internationalized" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/3293903:28
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Riddellfreeflying: just no translation?03:29
freeflyingRiddell: ya03:30
Riddellfreeflying: konversation source has no zh translation03:30
freeflyingRiddell: I've got feedback that traditional chinese user hasn't chinese mo for kde03:31
Riddellfreeflying: don't you use traditional chinese?03:31
freeflyingRiddell: no03:32
freeflyingRiddell: oh , no , I'm using simplified03:32
Riddellfreeflying: which is zh_CN?03:33
freeflyingRiddell: sinmplified chinese03:33
Riddelloh, and zh_TW is traditional?03:33
freeflyingya03:34
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OdyXHey. Is there any new artwork than that? https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuArtwork (Logo is named *-breezy)04:41
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marseillaiOdyX: pour [Ctrl] -[Left]  c confirm mais je crois que tonio a raffect le raccourci a autre chose il en parlait hier04:53
OdyXmarseillai: well.. it stays a bug... because it's not what is said in "Window" menu...04:54
marseillaiyes04:54
marseillaiand it's not the way it should works due to the config menu04:55
RiddellOdyX: http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/kubuntu-dapper.png05:04
OdyXRiddell: Logo and font did not change ?05:04
OdyXRiddell: don't you have SVG ?05:05
Riddelllogo doesn't have border any more05:05
Riddellthat may well not be the final thing05:05
freeflyingRiddell: I've packaged diveintopython chinese version based upon the diveintopython package, can I upload it 05:05
OdyXRiddell: I'm looking for the last Logo for adding a "-fr" at the end for FR community...05:05
OdyXRiddell: what's your licence about it ?05:05
RiddellOdyX: creative commons05:05
Riddelllet me search out the svg05:06
OdyXRiddell: OK. Thanks.05:06
Riddellhttp://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/kubuntu-dapper.svg05:08
uniqriddell: i've uploaded a new kio-apt to revu, with release=dapper in the changelog. FYI.05:20
Riddelluniq: thanks, I think I just need to remind mdz about that for UVFe05:21
Riddelluniq: is there an upstream changelog for 0.11 -> 0.13?05:22
marseillaihow do i translate the french word "routeur" please ? something wich share my internet connexion betwen my different computer and provide a wireless connection ?05:24
mornfallmarseillai: router :)05:26
marseillaioki05:26
marseillaithanks and sorry ! :D05:26
mornfallor AP (access point) for wi-fi05:26
mornfallor wireless router05:26
mornfallor whatsnot05:26
mornfallbut router is probably fine :)05:27
mdzRiddell: hmm?05:30
Riddellmdz: UVF exception for kio-apt still needs approved by you?  https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kio-apt/+bug/3592105:30
UbugtuMalone bug 35921 in kio-apt "UVF Exception 0.11 -> 0.13" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  05:30
mdzRiddell: I don't seem to have any email about that05:31
Riddellmdz: yeah, that's why I said I needed to remind you05:32
mdzRiddell: s/remind/tell/ ;-)05:32
mdzI don't see a changelog; is there one?05:32
Riddellcan't find one05:35
Riddelluniq: your new upload on revu doesn't have a .orig file05:35
Riddellmdz: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/683158  upstream packages as a debian native package05:39
Riddellmdz: the kubuntuification patch has also been changed to support dapper, which is the important bit05:40
mdzRiddell: the debdiff shows no changes except in the control file05:40
mdzhowever the diffstat shows other changes05:41
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Riddellmdz: debdiff between what?  between current in ubuntu and on revu (http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2168) I get lots of changes05:49
mdzRiddell: the one attached to the bug whose URL you gave above05:49
mdzit's a diff between the binary .debs, not the source packages05:49
Riddellmdz: debdiff between current and proposed new sources http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/kio-apt.debdiff05:52
mdzRiddell: looks fine, go ahead05:55
Riddellgreat, thanks05:55
uniqriddell: i think the lack of .orig is a revu feature.05:59
Riddellyes, I suspect so.  I'll just use the previous one and change it for dapper06:00
uniqthe .orig would be the same. 06:01
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uniqriddell: if i want to fix some package stuff in kdeedu, is the easiest way to send you a patch?06:31
OdyXRiddell: for the logo, who should I give credits to ?06:34
RiddellOdyX: Canonical, Basse, Ken Wimer06:38
OdyXRiddell: as that ?06:38
Riddelluniq: poke me on irc with a debdiff, if I'm not around report a bug on launchpad and attach the debdiff06:38
Riddelluniq: what's the problem?06:38
RiddellOdyX: they're the copyright holders06:39
OdyXRiddell: OK. Creative Commons, which version ?06:39
OdyXnormal one ?06:39
uniqriddell: just trying to fix some bugs. it's a easy one: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdeedu/+bug/3073206:39
UbugtuMalone bug 30732 in kdeedu kdeedu-doc-html "Missing directory in "binary" package" [Normal,Confirmed]  06:39
uniqmight be easier for you to fix directly in the source, than applying a patch.06:40
Riddelluniq: debdiff are the best for applying06:40
Riddelluniq: debdiff old.dsc new.dsc06:40
uniqok.06:40
Riddelluniq: is that not fixed in dapper?06:41
Riddellhmm, no06:41
uniqnot fixed.06:41
Riddellso sure, all patches welcome :)06:42
uniqI'll try to figure out where to make the directory then. Thanks for your time :)06:42
Riddellneeds a line in debian/rules06:44
Riddellkdesdk might have something similar06:44
uniqThanks for the tip.06:47
LureRiddell: beta2 test CD boots properly.. ;-)06:49
OdyXRiddell: http://didier.raboud.com/share/linux/kubuntu-fr.png What do you think ?06:49
Lureand it has nice icon for ubiquity and adept notifier ;-)06:49
OdyXRiddell: remade from scratch... inside is text and no vectors (a part of the wheel)06:49
LureI will play a bit, then try new ubiquity06:49
RiddellLure: i386 live?06:50
Lureyes06:51
RiddellOdyX: tres belle06:51
RiddellLure: great, thanks06:51
mornfallLure: who where what06:51
OdyXmerci Riddell.06:51
RiddellLure: going to give ubiquity a try?06:51
LureRiddell: if I install something on live, will ubiquty copy that too?06:51
RiddellLure: not actually sure06:51
LureRiddell: of course (on desktop though)06:51
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mornfalli must have missed the icon so far ;)06:52
LureRiddell: will try my typical demo mode (install kerry + knm) and then try ubiquity06:52
mornfallso what are the critical issues for adept in dapper now? anyone with a good guess on a list?06:54
mornfalli will probably have time for it this weekend or so06:54
Luremornfall: if I change /e/a/sources.list, is adept_notifier supposed to remove "alert" icon until I run next apt-get update06:54
mornfalli will look into the terminal size problem definitely06:54
Riddellmornfall: I just did a quick upload for beta 2 that changed the .desktop files to use kdesu and added kwwii's icon, but not committed to svn yet was waiting on SVG from kwwii06:54
Lurethis is what I am seeing currenly on live CD test06:54
mornfallRiddell: ah06:55
mornfallLure: good point06:55
mornfallLure: well, what happens now?06:55
Luremornfall: I have added universe to sources.list and icon disapeared and after apt-get update it apeared again06:55
mornfallLure: interesting06:55
mornfallRiddell: i have reduced the poll interval for notifier to 5 seconds or so, so that people stop complaining about the icon persisting after update... also fixed the "notifier always shows up upon login"06:56
Riddellmornfall: oh, cool06:57
mornfall(it was 60 seconds, so i guess people would just not wait for a bit and complain)06:57
mornfallit only does few stat calls so that shouldn't be visible overhead, right?06:58
Luremornfall: BTW, adept and you rock! (I am using apt-get less and less)06:58
mornfallLure: yay :)06:58
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mornfall(since i always have a bunch of shells around, so easier to type acs <expression> and apt install <package>)06:59
=== Lure starting Ubiquity install - cross your fingers for my partition table ;-)
mornfallwhen i get around i'll do a (nicer) cli interface to call adept only for the progress stuff07:00
mornfallat which point i will start working on error handling and such because it'll irritate me to no end ;-)07:00
Riddellgolly, kubuntu is now free from gtk/atk/pango/etc on the CD07:01
mornfallshame ubuntu doesn't have at least a year long release cycle07:01
LureRiddell: is selecting the keyboard supposed to work (I mean the test box to try the setting)?07:01
mornfall*wink*07:01
RiddellLure: yeah, always does for me07:01
LureRiddell: I have slovene keyboard on my desktop and it autoselected it properly, but the text box does not work...07:02
Lurewill install and see what will come out...07:02
RiddellLure: definately working for me, do other keyboard maps work?07:03
Riddellmaybe it's just slovene that doesn't07:03
LureRiddell: installer crashed on manual partition (w/ traceback)07:04
Lurepb is that traceback is not scrollable :-(07:04
RiddellLure: hmm07:05
Lureit is...07:05
RiddellLure: python type backtrace or C type backtrace?07:05
Lurepython: UnicodeDecodeError: ascii codec cannot decode...07:05
Lurekde-ui.py, line 70807:06
Lureprocess_autopartitioning07:06
Tm_TAGH07:06
LureRiddell: should I file a bug?07:06
Lure(since it is test CD)07:06
Tm_T... I should sleep ->07:07
LureRiddell: so dialog is actually scrolable, but not resizable...07:07
RiddellLure: yeah, file a bug please07:07
Riddelldamn, I wish I knew what the deal was with those ascii/unicode problems07:07
Lurewill do and then try other paritioning mode07:07
LureRiddell: btw, I did not entry any non-ascii characters in the dialogs (as raphink would for his name ;-))07:08
Riddellno, it'll be a slovenian string it's trying to use07:08
LureRiddell: may be - slovenina is the language I selected07:11
LureRiddell: bug 4162107:14
UbugtuMalone bug 41621 in ubiquity "crash on manual partitioning (Kubuntu 20060426.1)" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/4162107:14
Riddellthanks07:14
LureRiddell: I cannot afford use entire disk, but autocreate new partition is fine - will this also create swap partition_07:15
RiddellLure: yes07:15
Lureok, will try that with Slovene, otherwise I will install in English07:15
LureRiddell: what does "new partition size" slider do as there are no units?07:17
RiddellLure: it's a percentage of the free space07:18
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LureRiddell: proposal from paritioner looks strange: hda1 (primary), hda2 (extended part), hda5 (logical) and now it wants to create #6 as swap and #3 as ext307:21
Lurethis #3 means that it will create primary partition, but the whole space is already occupied by extended partition07:22
Luredoes this mean it will shrink extended partition?07:22
Lureclarification: I already have 1, 2 and 5 (other OS)07:22
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LureRiddell: again unicode problem (even though I selected No for partitioning)07:23
LureRiddell: will try English now...07:24
LureRiddell: it would help my soul if you can explain how partitioning selects above proposed layout ;-)07:24
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Riddellpartman is spooky voodoo07:27
Riddellwell, it's not but it's a large bunch of bash scripts07:27
LureRiddell: ok, now I am at manual partitioning - resizing of window is funny - you need to play around to get it displayed properly ;-)07:30
LureRiddell: next issue is that after adding partitions and clicking Next it did not write new partition table (nor ask to confirm to write), therefore newly created partitions were not offered on next screen07:31
RiddellLure: from qtparted screen?07:31
LureRiddell: yes - will try manual commit now before doing Next07:31
Riddellyeah, I still need to make qtparted do that07:31
Riddelland a few other things07:32
LureCommit now complaied with "There was a problem with mkfs.ext307:32
superstonedbtw why do i get a blank page with "image/svg+xml" in konqi when i try to see the svg image riddell posted a while ago? and why is svgdisplay not associated with svg files, but firefox?07:32
LureRiddell: do you want to open bugs for this (or just one bug with summary)?07:33
RiddellLure: I'm writing a list of notes07:33
Riddellnot seen that mkfs.ext3 problem before07:33
LureRiddell: did not help - still does not offer newly created partitions in next screen :-(07:34
Riddellthat just reads /proc/partitions07:34
LureRiddell: problem is that only one partition (ext3) was created, no swap07:35
LureRiddell: and it is listed in /proc/paritions...07:36
RiddellLure: on manual partitioning or qt partitioning?07:36
LureRiddell: can it be that dialog is not updated if you do Next/Prev as I did?07:36
LureRiddell: manual partitioning...07:36
Riddellit's possible07:36
Riddellyou could start again to see if that's the case07:37
Lurewill try again 07:37
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Riddellmouse cursors is also on my todo07:38
LureRiddell: intersting - parted now says "unknown" type for partition created in previous try (fdisk reports it properly as Linux 83)07:39
Riddellqtparted?07:40
Lurebut I think parted type is FS type, isn't it?07:40
Lureyes07:40
Riddellwouldn't be surprised if it was a qtparted bug07:40
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RiddellLure: thanks for your patience :)07:41
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LureRiddell: now it is there - so it is a problem of Next (filling the dialog) and then going back to parititon and commiting and Next again07:44
LureRiddell: this dialog is a bit funny though: it says 1 GB and 6 GB (which were the swap and root partitions that I autocreated), but does not autofill the partition names07:45
LureI suspect this is WIP and that this will be auto-suggested to user?07:45
LureRiddell: when I select Mount point, 1GB and 6GB disapeared - no concern, just funny...07:46
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LureRiddell: wishlist: it would help if Parition field would also display the type of partition (Linux, Swap, W95 FAT...)07:47
Lureit is a bit hard to know that you have selected the right one (besides the size which shows again when partition is selected from list)07:48
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Lurereformat is disabled - is this OK? I would need to format them as parted failde on mkfs.ext307:49
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LureRiddell: confirmation dialog is again strange (and scary for me): it mentions #1 (ext3) and #5 (swap), while I have selected 6 (ext3) and 7 (swap)07:51
LureRiddell: I think that numbering of paritions is just wrong in this dialog...07:52
Lurewill just do it (and trust my backup ;-))07:52
LureRiddell: IT actually DID trash my partitions! ;-)07:56
Lure#1 and #5 were actually correct in that warning dialog07:56
uniqriddell: http://ubuntu.lnix.net/misc/kdeedu_ubuntu2_ubuntu3_debdiff.diff fix for kdeedu-doc-html. https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdeedu/+bug/3073207:57
UbugtuMalone bug 30732 in kdeedu kdeedu-doc-html "Missing directory in "binary" package" [Normal,Confirmed]  07:57
Lureinstead of installing to selected partitions (#6 and #7), it created on hda1 (ext3) with 110 GB and hda2 (ext part) and ext5 (swap) with 1.5GB, therefore using the whole disk 07:57
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LureBut I have to say: I LOVE this concept of installaing OS (Live + Ubiquity!)08:00
OdyXLure: it's fine.. but it HAS to work without damage!08:09
LureOdyX: I know, but it went a long way if you count when Riddell/Kamion started with it08:10
OdyXsure...08:10
OdyXand it's valuable work !!!08:10
OdyXLure:  but why didn't they start from (I_don't_remember_the_distro) ?08:11
LureRiddell: two qtparted processes hanging around after install (using almost 100% of CPU)08:12
LureRiddell: and Reboot button did not actually reboot - will do manually now08:13
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LureRiddell: booted into live with huge / partition08:18
LureRiddell: keyboard is not Slovene as selected (maybe that is why test box did not work) and digikam is not installed (I installed it on Live CD before runing Ubiquity)08:20
alleeLure: digikam is not in main.  I'm biased -> :(08:21
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Lureallee: does not matter - I added universe and installed before, I would suspect it is copied by ubiquity08:22
allee:)08:22
Lureallee: but you are right - updated sources.list was not copied either, therefore this might be the reason... ;-)08:22
Lureallee: go and write MainInclusion report ;-)08:23
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=== Lure and has to shutdown desktop that my wife does not see it before we are back from vacation... ;-)
alleeLure: UVF first ;)08:24
Lureallee: right08:28
LureI will create some bug reports during week of vacation ;-)08:28
allee0.8 or 0.9?  I've decided only more 2 bugfixes allowed for 0.8 branch :)08:29
alleeLure: ^^08:30
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Lure0.8 - but will collect debian version + source as you suggested08:34
LureBTW, edubuntu policies to membership: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/edubuntu-devel/2006-April/001353.html08:36
alleeraphink-pbook: ping08:44
alleeraphink-pbook: digikam you added an svn patch, now in 0.8.2-beta1 and therefore debian.  Is it okay to dump your changelog so debian and kubuntu pkgs are identical again?08:46
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LureRiddell: another funny issue: my sources.list has "au." prefix instead of "si."08:57
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Tonio_hey09:32
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Lurehi Tonio09:40
Luredone with isurance & stuff?09:40
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LureTonio_: seen bug 41582 - I suspect it is your recent change...10:09
UbugtuMalone bug 41582 in konversation "Default shortcuts for changing tab not working." [Minor,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/4158210:09
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mornfallhmm, i am such a biatch10:12
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yuriywhat is with all the "[UNMETDEPS]  xsim has unmet dependencies" bugs? automatically generated?11:07
pygino, the bugs 11:07
yuriypygi: ?11:08
yuriyI'm just saying it looks like they were filed by a script and probably only one bug is necessary11:08
pygi:P11:09
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pef__yuriy: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2006-April/000649.html11:15
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yuriypef_: ah, so they are all separate bugs and unrelated (though similar), the script just screwed up the subject?11:25
pef__yep :)11:26
raphink-pbookdid anyone change kdeprint lately?11:28
raphink-pbookRiddell: seems the new fix in kdeprint just prevents from adding new printers11:30
raphink-pbookthe list of printer types is greyed11:30
raphink-pbookI can't select a printer type to add 11:30
Riddellraphink-pbook: erk11:30
Riddellraphink-pbook: ok, will need to look tomorrow11:30
raphink-pbookI click on Add new printer11:30
raphink-pbookand I get a greyed list11:30
raphink-pbookwith network printer, local printer, etc...11:30
raphink-pbookand can't choose any11:30
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uniqriddell: did you get my message with the link to the debdiff for kdeedu?11:33
Riddelluniq: nope11:36
Riddelluniq: /msg me and I'll get it in the morning11:36
uniqdone, gnite.11:37
Riddellthanks11:38
freeflying-ibookTonio_: ping11:38
freeflying-ibookraphink-pbook: ping11:40
yuriyraphink-pbook: hmm Add new printer looks like it works fine for me (updated a few minutes ago)11:43
Lureraphink-pbook: I do not have problem with add printer - I do SysSettings->Printers->Add->Add Primter/Class... and I can select type11:43
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