[12:03] <kmon> the system:/ ioslave is still broken :( Are you going to ship it like it is right now?
[12:05] <Riddell> kmon: no, I'll add back the patch to reduce use of it when tonio gives us his other kdebase changes
[12:06] <kmon> Maybe the kubuntu linuxtag booth is a perfect place to talk to upstream about it ;)
[12:06] <kmon> Riddell: thanks
[12:06] <Riddell> ervin won't be there as far as I know
[12:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: kdeprint patch works ;)
[12:09] <Tonio_> building the debdiff and that will be okay
[12:12] <Riddell> Tonio_: you rock
[12:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: ;)
[12:12] <pygi> Tonio_: what you did this time? 
[12:13] <Riddell> talking of kdeprint fixes, please test http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/kdelibs/  for successful-ok issue
[12:16] <raphink> isn't this what Tonio just fixed ?
[12:16] <raphink> kmon: are you coming to LT ?
[12:16] <kmon> raphink: nope
[12:16] <raphink> Riddell: you'er not to be there, right?
[12:17] <kmon> raphink: i'm from spain
[12:17] <raphink> kmon: that happens ;)
[12:17] <Riddell> raphink: nope
[12:18] <Riddell> don't plan to be anyway
[12:18] <kmon> mark is going to be there?
[12:19] <Lure> Riddell: I probably need to logout for new kdelibs to get used?
[12:19] <Riddell> Lure: no
[12:19] <Riddell> Lure: but run things from the command line
[12:19] <Riddell> else kdeinit will run them and that'll use the old libs
[12:20] <Lure> Riddell: kcmshell printers still reports successful-ok :-(
[12:20] <kwwii> http://bootsplash.org/kubuntu-banner4.png
[12:20] <Riddell> Lure: hmm, bah
[12:21] <Lure> Riddell: if .so is in memory, it will get used and not new one (IMHO)
[12:21] <Lure> I will try to log out and log in.
[12:21] <Lure> brb
[12:21] <Riddell> kwwii: rocking
[12:22] <Lure> kwwii: that looks cool!
[12:22] <kwwii> coming right along I think
[12:22] <kwwii> it needs to go to the printers tomorrow so I am trying to get it finished before I pass out
[12:22] <kwwii> I wonder what mark will say about the orange and yellow
[12:23] <kwwii> it reminds me of the old kde artists site
[12:23] <kwwii> (which I miss very much)
[12:23] <kmon> when a new package is updated, the new version overwrites the old one in disk, but if the contents of the package are in memory (in use) unless you reboot you won't be using the new version, right? and what happens with a big update of say, lots of libraries som in memory, some in disk ?
[12:24] <pygi> kwwii: looks nice 
[12:24] <kwwii> pygi: thanks!
[12:24] <pygi> Now, if only I could make it for that conference 
[12:25] <pygi> someone remind me when is it pls?
[12:25] <Lure> Riddell: successful-ok still there after login - sorry :-(
[12:25] <kwwii> pygi: do you do artwork?
[12:25] <kwwii> pygi: the 6th
[12:25] <pygi> kwwii: no, I don't do artwork =P
[12:25] <kwwii> lucky you!
[12:25] <pygi> well, wanna switch places? 
[12:26] <kwwii> pygi: nope, I was born to loose :-)
[12:26] <pygi> I'll do the artwork for one release, and you'll do coding for one release 
[12:26] <kwwii> lol
[12:26] <kwwii> pygi: depending on what kind of coding, I'll take you up on that
[12:27] <pygi> oki, doki :) Network auth and S-C-P should be enough for you for edgy? 
[12:27] <kwwii> well networking stuff isn't sooo bad
[12:27] <pygi> really, you think so? :) wanna work on it? 
[12:27] <kwwii> I have a friend at the frauenhofer institute working networking stuff, so I have a mentor, so to speak
[12:28] <kwwii> no, not really, I am making enough money doing the art thing
[12:28] <pygi> that's like month of fulltime developers work I assume
[12:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: http://planetemu.net/temp/kdebase-debdiff
[12:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: there it is
[12:28] <pygi> kwwii: good for you :) 
[12:29] <kwwii> pygi: if I could somehow get into it, then I would stay up all night doing it for months...that is how the whole bootsplash thing happened
[12:29] <Lure> Riddell: I need sleep now, but I can test print issue tommorow if you will have new test packages...
[12:29] <kwwii> we almost lost our jobs for that
[12:29] <pygi> kwwii: hehe :) agreed...once I start something, no stoping until it's done...and it's never done 
[12:29] <toma> Tonio_: shouldn't you be redocorating?
[12:30] <Tonio_> toma: you mean ?
[12:30] <kwwii> pygi: it is the same with artwork unfortunately
[12:30] <Lure> Tonio_: flooded appartment
[12:30] <Tonio_> toma, Lure: ah ;) 
[12:30] <pygi> kwwii: hehe 
[12:30] <toma> Tonio_: I imagen you had 2m high water there
[12:30] <Tonio_> well in fact I fought the water all last night
[12:30] <Tonio_> so that nothing got destroyed :)
[12:31] <toma> ah, what happened then?
[12:31] <Tonio_> but as I'm awake for 40 hours, it is a bit hard now :)
[12:31] <Tonio_> toma: well I waited 9 am for a professionnal to come looking at the issue, and well, it is technically hard to explain, I don't have the vocabulary
[12:32] <Tonio_> but appart for the paint on walls, nothing got destroyed, so that's nice
[12:32] <toma> Tonio_: hmm, ok. good to hear that!
[12:32] <toma> allee: pingos
[12:33] <pygi> kwwii: good luck with artwork thingy :) you are doing a great job 
[12:33] <allee> toma pong
[12:33] <pygi> night Lure
[12:33] <allee> nite Lure 
[12:33] <toma> allee: tomorrow is the kubuntu meeting iirc, will you attend it?
[12:33] <kwwii> pygi: thanks :-)
[12:34] <pygi> kwwii: if you ever need an opinion, poke me 
[12:34] <allee> Tonio_: unfortunately not.  Tomorrow is 'Night of Music' in my Hometown.  Beate will kill me when I come too late ;)
[12:34] <kwwii> oh, I post stuff all the time here, don't worry
[12:34] <kwwii> :-)
[12:35] <toma> allee: ah, ok! nice!
[12:35] <Riddell> allee: can you test the new kdelibs packages for kdeprint successful-ok issue?
[12:36] <allee> Riddell: updating ...
[12:36] <toma> *: i have a feeling i might not be able to join it, but i did put up an item, i can mail a summary of my item, so anyone can paste it, i can catch up the responses in the minutes. Is anyone willing to paste it?
[12:36] <Riddell> allee: from kubuntu.org?
[12:37] <pygi> kwwii: but I mostly don't see it cause I work on other things =P
[12:37] <allee> Riddell: obviously not.  No new kdelibs stuff :)  deb line?
[12:37] <Riddell> Tonio_: you remove debian/tmp/usr/share/apps/kdesktop/directory.trash
[12:37] <kwwii> pygi: hehe, pay attention! :-)
[12:38] <Riddell> allee: http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/kdelibs/  (no apt)
[12:38] <pygi> kwwii: bah - kwwii, pay attention to coding 
[12:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes, that was already discussed, and you were fine with the "no .desktop icon on the desktop"
[12:38] <toma> oki, that saves me some time. night all.
[12:38] <kwwii> pygi: ;-)
[12:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: it makes it strange for newbies when using konqueror, and since we don't use it, why should we keep it ?
[12:39] <allee> Riddell: 'k installing ...
[12:39] <Riddell> Tonio_: how does it make it strange for people?
[12:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: well, when they go to ~/Desktop in konqueror, they see trash.desktop
[12:40] <Tonio_> first point is that it should appear as "Trash" and not trash.desktop
[12:40] <Tonio_> second point is, since we already have the trash on kicker, what is the need of it on the desktop if we hide it ?
[12:40] <Tonio_> it has nodisplay=true....
[12:40] <Riddell> Tonio_: hmm, it would be nice for people to be able to restore the Wastebin on the desktop easily if they want to
[12:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: so we should have kept home.desktop and system.desktop too
[12:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: splitting to another package ?
[12:42] <Tonio_> kde-desktop-icons
[12:42] <Riddell> Tonio_: I don't think that's necessary, maybe we can just put them in /usr/share/apps/kdesktop/unused
[12:43] <Riddell> to pick a random directory
[12:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: and document the wiki for people who really want the desktop files on their desktop
[12:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: but if we do that, we should remove the nodisplay=true attribute
[12:44] <Riddell> yeah
[12:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: will you do it ? if you don't have time, I will but tomorrow, since I have a documentation to finish this night for work :)
[12:46] <Riddell> I don't have time tonight
[12:46] <Tonio_> Riddell: so I'll do it tomorrow
[12:46] <Riddell> that would be lovely
[12:46] <Tonio_> hur....... wait, I'll do it now, it'll take 2 minutes
[12:47] <Tonio_> Riddell: finally tomorrow, since I have patches to rebuild for this, and no time for
[12:49] <freeflying-ibook> bug 34610
[12:49] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 34610 in kchmviewer "Crashes when I try to run or open chm file " [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/34610
[12:49] <freeflying-ibook> can anyone confirm this on ppc for me?
[12:50] <freeflying-ibook> raphink: ping
[12:50] <allee> Riddell: no still same warning. Even after logout/in 
[12:50] <Riddell> allee: ok, same as Lure said.  thanks for testing
[12:50] <raphink> freeflying-ibook: pong
[12:51] <freeflying-ibook> raphink: can you have a test for kchmviewer on ppc
[12:51] <raphink> I'd have to install it :(
[12:51] <allee> Riddell: FWIW I have no local printers, instead local cups-server listens for browse info on lan
[12:52] <freeflying-ibook> raphink: it's strange, only crash on ppc 
[12:52] <raphink> freeflying-ibook: ah?
[12:52] <raphink> well I'll try in a while
[12:52] <raphink> i dno't have chm files anyway
[12:53] <freeflying-ibook> raphink: heh, give you one?
[12:53] <raphink> sure mail it to me
[12:57] <kwwii> time to hit the hay....bis morgen :-)
[12:58] <raphink> morgen kwwii
[12:58] <freeflying-ibook> raphink: damn, gamil dosen't permit me send file in chm format, even I compress it 
[12:58] <kwwii> raphink: you mean "nacht kwwii"
[12:58] <kwwii> or "bis morgen kwwii"
[12:59] <kwwii> anyway, you can teach me french and I will teach you german :-)
[12:59] <kwwii> but for now I am going to bed :-)
[01:06] <freeflying-ibook> raphink: http://www.woodpecker.org.cn/diveintopython/download/Dive.Into.Python-zh-cn-5.4-with-code.chm
[01:08] <pygi> night
[01:08] <freeflying-ibook> pygi: morning :)
[01:08] <pygi> yea, very interesting freeflying 
[01:09] <freeflying-ibook> heh
[01:10] <pygi> 
[01:10] <pygi> enjoy
[01:48] <raphink> night everybody
[01:52] <OdyX> night raphink
[03:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: ping ? I have the debdiff for kdebase with dekstop files in unsused folder
[03:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: http://www.planetemu.net/temp/kdebase-debdiff when you're available ;)
[03:09] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: it's 2am over there...
[03:09] <Hobbsee> :P
[03:10] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: 3 am in france ;)
[03:10] <Hobbsee> crazy...
[03:10] <Tonio_> hehe
[03:10] <Hobbsee> that's a mad thing to do, mmm kay?
[03:10] <Hobbsee> s/mad/bad
[03:11] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: true, but I'm like that since I am very young
[03:11] <Tonio_> I've never been able to sleep more than 4 hours by night....
[03:11] <Hobbsee> i'm jealous...
[03:11] <Tonio_> I know that's good for ealth anyway
[03:13] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: what time is it for you ?
[03:13] <Hobbsee> 11am wednesday
[03:14] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: wow 8 hours difference....... I the understand the reason you wanted the meetings to be set after 22 ;)
[03:14] <Tonio_> 22 utc sorry ;)
[12:10] <Riddell> Lure, allee, seaLne; new kdeprint for testing http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/kdelibs/
[12:10] <Riddell> should get rid of successful-ok thing
[12:19] <cmvo> Riddell: Hi! Interesting, I'll give it a try. I was just looking at the source of kdeprint...
[12:19] <Riddell> thanks
[12:20] <kwwii> moin
[12:20] <cmvo> kwwii: moin moin!
[12:22] <seaLne> Riddell: ah i thought my printing problem got fixed by other updates today/last night as i can now print still get an error tho?
[12:23] <Riddell> seaLne: maybe you had a different error
[12:23] <Riddell> the successful-ok thing is what this is aiming at
[12:23] <Lure> Riddell: successful-ok fixed for me and printing still works (with cups rc3 from this morning)
[12:24] <Lure> seaLne: do you still get those dialogs? 
[12:24] <Riddell> Lure: oh, cups fixed it first?
[12:24] <freeflying> seaLne: hi
[12:25] <Lure> Riddell: I would say no, as I have printed at least once with rc3 before and have seen it (not 100% sure though)
[12:26] <Riddell> hm, that sort of bug
[12:26] <Lure> I think it was your new packages that fixed it
[12:26] <cmvo> Riddell: Hm, I'm still getting the error message with cups rc3 (dist-upgrade from this morning)
[12:26] <Riddell> Lure: so you installed my kdelibs from just now as well?
[12:26] <Lure> yes
[12:26] <Riddell> cmvo: suessful-ok?
[12:27] <Riddell> cmvo: can you see if my kdelibs fixes it
[12:28] <cmvo> Riddell: Yup, successful-ok.
[12:29] <cmvo> Riddell: The kdelibs fix it. No error message when starting kprinter.
[12:30] <Lure> seaLne: do you still get your messages (as they were not successful-ok)
[12:30] <seaLne> Riddell: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/41151/+index the cupsdoprint was what stopped me printing but i got successful-ok-ignored-or-substituted-attributes rather than successful-ok
[12:30] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 41151 in kdebase kdeprint "successful-ok error reported when printer list is retrieved " [Normal,Confirmed]  
[12:30] <seaLne> Lure: yeah (not with Riddell's packages as i haven't tried them yet)
[12:30] <kwwii> rebooting, brb
[12:36] <cmvo> Riddell: Just being curious: What changed in the ubuntu10 libs?
[12:37] <seaLne> Riddell: yep your package makes my error go away
[12:38] <Riddell> cmvo: cool
[12:38] <Riddell> cmvo: see changelog
[12:38] <Riddell> seaLne: great
[12:39] <seaLne> thanks
[12:39] <seaLne> i wonder what got fixed overnight
[01:12] <cmvo> Anybody using a custom modeline with the xorg ati server? It worked with 6.8.2 in breezy, in dapper it gets ignored.
[01:35] <allee> Riddell: with kdelibs ubuntu10 no successful okay msg anymore. Testprint was okay too.
[01:36] <Riddell> allee: great, thanks
[02:48] <Riddell> Yes, we should all use UTC
[02:48] <Riddell> actually if it wasn't or the English, Scotland probably would
[02:49] <Riddell> well, GMT, which is close enough
[02:51] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:51] <Hobbsee> AU with timezones is a pain.  still, it's 8am, so it's not too bad
[02:52] <freeflying> Riddell: will another beta out soon?
[02:52] <allee> Hobbsee: you won't miss the sun when you switch your personal time to UTC? :)
[02:52] <Riddell> freeflying: yes, today
[02:52] <Hobbsee> heh
[02:53] <Riddell> Hobbsee: move to .nz, then it's a simple 12 hour difference
[02:53] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:53] <Hobbsee> it's cold there though - and you'd have a frozen hobbsee...
[02:53] <freeflying> Riddell: now kubntu can support Chinese quite fine, but not ubuntu :)
[02:54] <Riddell> freeflying: really?  what changed?
[02:54] <allee> freeflying: congrats!
[02:54] <freeflying> Riddell: for the damn gtk lib, it can not display chinese font well
[02:54] <Lure> Riddell: seen your agenda item for meeting (which I will not be able to join :-(() - I am even more confused now
[02:54] <freeflying> allee: thanks
[02:54] <Riddell> Lure: what's confusing?
[02:55] <Lure> Does this mean that you have to apply for Ubuntu and Kubuntu membership or are they equal?
[02:55] <Riddell> they're the same thing
[02:55] <Riddell> for ubuntu you go through CC, for kubuntu you go through whatever we decide at the meeting tomorrow
[02:55] <Riddell> Hobbsee: that scares me a lot :)
[02:56] <Hobbsee> seeing as i think separate kubuntu/ubuntu membership would create more problems than it fixes
[02:56] <Lure> interesting... I am on the list for Ubuntu CC (last time there was not enough time), so this mean that I should get off that list and wait for decision on Kubuntu meeting instead?
[02:56] <freeflying> Riddell: meeting tomorrow?
[02:56] <Hobbsee> freeflying: see topic
[02:56] <Riddell> freeflying: yes
[02:56] <Hobbsee> Lure: go for the CC meeting - dont you like getting grilled?  :P
[02:57] <Riddell> freeflying: if you can get up early enough
[02:57] <Lure> Hobbsee: no pb with that, but I though TB is the grill and not CC ;)
[02:57] <Hobbsee> whatever it is...
[02:57] <freeflying> Riddell: sure, I'd , I geot up at 4:00 this morning 
[02:57] <Riddell> wow
[02:57] <Riddell> both TB and CC can grill or not grill depending on their mood
[02:58] <Hobbsee> true
[02:58] <freeflying> TB and CC shall care more about asian guys 
[02:58] <Hobbsee> the other two didnt, so much
[02:58] <Lure> Hobbsee: they like grilled women probably  ;-)
[02:59] <Hobbsee> i thought the idea was preferential treatment, if any difference was given at all :P
[03:00] <Hobbsee> mind you, a lot of the "preferential" treatment is just common sense - it gets awfully confusing otherwise, to figure out who should go through a door first, etc
[03:03] <Hobbsee> make that guys complaining about having to give the girls preferential treatment
[03:04] <Lure> Riddell : where can we get this:
[03:04] <Lure> [14:44]  <Kamion> Riddell: beta2-candidate Kubuntu live CDs up for testing
[03:05] <Riddell> Lure: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20060426.1/
[03:05] <Riddell> ** please all test beta 2 ^^
[03:05] <Riddell> rsync if you already have an iso
[03:09] <Hobbsee> Riddell: if i'm late or whatever for the meeting, go to the next item, and i'll go later...
[03:11] <Lure> Riddell: what is rsync path?
[03:11] <Riddell> see https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuFiles
[03:12] <Riddell> Hobbsee: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2006-April/001146.html
[03:13] <Hobbsee> Riddell: gotcha, so it just hasnt hit the digest yet
[03:28] <freeflying> Riddell: bug 32939 still exist
[03:28] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 32939 in konversation "konversation does not appear internationalized" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/32939
[03:29] <Riddell> freeflying: just no translation?
[03:30] <freeflying> Riddell: ya
[03:30] <Riddell> freeflying: konversation source has no zh translation
[03:31] <freeflying> Riddell: I've got feedback that traditional chinese user hasn't chinese mo for kde
[03:31] <Riddell> freeflying: don't you use traditional chinese?
[03:32] <freeflying> Riddell: no
[03:32] <freeflying> Riddell: oh , no , I'm using simplified
[03:33] <Riddell> freeflying: which is zh_CN?
[03:33] <freeflying> Riddell: sinmplified chinese
[03:33] <Riddell> oh, and zh_TW is traditional?
[03:34] <freeflying> ya
[04:41] <OdyX> Hey. Is there any new artwork than that? https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuArtwork (Logo is named *-breezy)
[04:53] <marseillai> OdyX: pour [Ctrl] -[Left]  c confirm mais je crois que tonio a raffect le raccourci a autre chose il en parlait hier
[04:54] <OdyX> marseillai: well.. it stays a bug... because it's not what is said in "Window" menu...
[04:54] <marseillai> yes
[04:55] <marseillai> and it's not the way it should works due to the config menu
[05:04] <Riddell> OdyX: http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/kubuntu-dapper.png
[05:04] <OdyX> Riddell: Logo and font did not change ?
[05:05] <OdyX> Riddell: don't you have SVG ?
[05:05] <Riddell> logo doesn't have border any more
[05:05] <Riddell> that may well not be the final thing
[05:05] <freeflying> Riddell: I've packaged diveintopython chinese version based upon the diveintopython package, can I upload it 
[05:05] <OdyX> Riddell: I'm looking for the last Logo for adding a "-fr" at the end for FR community...
[05:05] <OdyX> Riddell: what's your licence about it ?
[05:05] <Riddell> OdyX: creative commons
[05:06] <Riddell> let me search out the svg
[05:06] <OdyX> Riddell: OK. Thanks.
[05:08] <Riddell> http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/kubuntu-dapper.svg
[05:20] <uniq> riddell: i've uploaded a new kio-apt to revu, with release=dapper in the changelog. FYI.
[05:21] <Riddell> uniq: thanks, I think I just need to remind mdz about that for UVFe
[05:22] <Riddell> uniq: is there an upstream changelog for 0.11 -> 0.13?
[05:24] <marseillai> how do i translate the french word "routeur" please ? something wich share my internet connexion betwen my different computer and provide a wireless connection ?
[05:26] <mornfall> marseillai: router :)
[05:26] <marseillai> oki
[05:26] <marseillai> thanks and sorry ! :D
[05:26] <mornfall> or AP (access point) for wi-fi
[05:26] <mornfall> or wireless router
[05:26] <mornfall> or whatsnot
[05:27] <mornfall> but router is probably fine :)
[05:30] <mdz> Riddell: hmm?
[05:30] <Riddell> mdz: UVF exception for kio-apt still needs approved by you?  https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kio-apt/+bug/35921
[05:30] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 35921 in kio-apt "UVF Exception 0.11 -> 0.13" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  
[05:31] <mdz> Riddell: I don't seem to have any email about that
[05:32] <Riddell> mdz: yeah, that's why I said I needed to remind you
[05:32] <mdz> Riddell: s/remind/tell/ ;-)
[05:32] <mdz> I don't see a changelog; is there one?
[05:35] <Riddell> can't find one
[05:35] <Riddell> uniq: your new upload on revu doesn't have a .orig file
[05:39] <Riddell> mdz: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/683158  upstream packages as a debian native package
[05:40] <Riddell> mdz: the kubuntuification patch has also been changed to support dapper, which is the important bit
[05:40] <mdz> Riddell: the debdiff shows no changes except in the control file
[05:41] <mdz> however the diffstat shows other changes
[05:49] <Riddell> mdz: debdiff between what?  between current in ubuntu and on revu (http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2168) I get lots of changes
[05:49] <mdz> Riddell: the one attached to the bug whose URL you gave above
[05:49] <mdz> it's a diff between the binary .debs, not the source packages
[05:52] <Riddell> mdz: debdiff between current and proposed new sources http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/kio-apt.debdiff
[05:55] <mdz> Riddell: looks fine, go ahead
[05:55] <Riddell> great, thanks
[05:59] <uniq> riddell: i think the lack of .orig is a revu feature.
[06:00] <Riddell> yes, I suspect so.  I'll just use the previous one and change it for dapper
[06:01] <uniq> the .orig would be the same. 
[06:31] <uniq> riddell: if i want to fix some package stuff in kdeedu, is the easiest way to send you a patch?
[06:34] <OdyX> Riddell: for the logo, who should I give credits to ?
[06:38] <Riddell> OdyX: Canonical, Basse, Ken Wimer
[06:38] <OdyX> Riddell: as that ?
[06:38] <Riddell> uniq: poke me on irc with a debdiff, if I'm not around report a bug on launchpad and attach the debdiff
[06:38] <Riddell> uniq: what's the problem?
[06:39] <Riddell> OdyX: they're the copyright holders
[06:39] <OdyX> Riddell: OK. Creative Commons, which version ?
[06:39] <OdyX> normal one ?
[06:39] <uniq> riddell: just trying to fix some bugs. it's a easy one: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdeedu/+bug/30732
[06:39] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 30732 in kdeedu kdeedu-doc-html "Missing directory in "binary" package" [Normal,Confirmed]  
[06:40] <uniq> might be easier for you to fix directly in the source, than applying a patch.
[06:40] <Riddell> uniq: debdiff are the best for applying
[06:40] <Riddell> uniq: debdiff old.dsc new.dsc
[06:40] <uniq> ok.
[06:41] <Riddell> uniq: is that not fixed in dapper?
[06:41] <Riddell> hmm, no
[06:41] <uniq> not fixed.
[06:42] <Riddell> so sure, all patches welcome :)
[06:42] <uniq> I'll try to figure out where to make the directory then. Thanks for your time :)
[06:44] <Riddell> needs a line in debian/rules
[06:44] <Riddell> kdesdk might have something similar
[06:47] <uniq> Thanks for the tip.
[06:49] <Lure> Riddell: beta2 test CD boots properly.. ;-)
[06:49] <OdyX> Riddell: http://didier.raboud.com/share/linux/kubuntu-fr.png What do you think ?
[06:49] <Lure> and it has nice icon for ubiquity and adept notifier ;-)
[06:49] <OdyX> Riddell: remade from scratch... inside is text and no vectors (a part of the wheel)
[06:49] <Lure> I will play a bit, then try new ubiquity
[06:50] <Riddell> Lure: i386 live?
[06:51] <Lure> yes
[06:51] <Riddell> OdyX: tres belle
[06:51] <Riddell> Lure: great, thanks
[06:51] <mornfall> Lure: who where what
[06:51] <OdyX> merci Riddell.
[06:51] <Riddell> Lure: going to give ubiquity a try?
[06:51] <Lure> Riddell: if I install something on live, will ubiquty copy that too?
[06:51] <Riddell> Lure: not actually sure
[06:51] <Lure> Riddell: of course (on desktop though)
[06:52] <mornfall> i must have missed the icon so far ;)
[06:52] <Lure> Riddell: will try my typical demo mode (install kerry + knm) and then try ubiquity
[06:54] <mornfall> so what are the critical issues for adept in dapper now? anyone with a good guess on a list?
[06:54] <mornfall> i will probably have time for it this weekend or so
[06:54] <Lure> mornfall: if I change /e/a/sources.list, is adept_notifier supposed to remove "alert" icon until I run next apt-get update
[06:54] <mornfall> i will look into the terminal size problem definitely
[06:54] <Riddell> mornfall: I just did a quick upload for beta 2 that changed the .desktop files to use kdesu and added kwwii's icon, but not committed to svn yet was waiting on SVG from kwwii
[06:54] <Lure> this is what I am seeing currenly on live CD test
[06:55] <mornfall> Riddell: ah
[06:55] <mornfall> Lure: good point
[06:55] <mornfall> Lure: well, what happens now?
[06:55] <Lure> mornfall: I have added universe to sources.list and icon disapeared and after apt-get update it apeared again
[06:55] <mornfall> Lure: interesting
[06:56] <mornfall> Riddell: i have reduced the poll interval for notifier to 5 seconds or so, so that people stop complaining about the icon persisting after update... also fixed the "notifier always shows up upon login"
[06:57] <Riddell> mornfall: oh, cool
[06:57] <mornfall> (it was 60 seconds, so i guess people would just not wait for a bit and complain)
[06:58] <mornfall> it only does few stat calls so that shouldn't be visible overhead, right?
[06:58] <Lure> mornfall: BTW, adept and you rock! (I am using apt-get less and less)
[06:58] <mornfall> Lure: yay :)
[06:59] <mornfall> (since i always have a bunch of shells around, so easier to type acs <expression> and apt install <package>)
[07:00] <mornfall> when i get around i'll do a (nicer) cli interface to call adept only for the progress stuff
[07:00] <mornfall> at which point i will start working on error handling and such because it'll irritate me to no end ;-)
[07:01] <Riddell> golly, kubuntu is now free from gtk/atk/pango/etc on the CD
[07:01] <mornfall> shame ubuntu doesn't have at least a year long release cycle
[07:01] <Lure> Riddell: is selecting the keyboard supposed to work (I mean the test box to try the setting)?
[07:01] <mornfall> *wink*
[07:01] <Riddell> Lure: yeah, always does for me
[07:02] <Lure> Riddell: I have slovene keyboard on my desktop and it autoselected it properly, but the text box does not work...
[07:02] <Lure> will install and see what will come out...
[07:03] <Riddell> Lure: definately working for me, do other keyboard maps work?
[07:03] <Riddell> maybe it's just slovene that doesn't
[07:04] <Lure> Riddell: installer crashed on manual partition (w/ traceback)
[07:04] <Lure> pb is that traceback is not scrollable :-(
[07:05] <Riddell> Lure: hmm
[07:05] <Lure> it is...
[07:05] <Riddell> Lure: python type backtrace or C type backtrace?
[07:05] <Lure> python: UnicodeDecodeError: ascii codec cannot decode...
[07:06] <Lure> kde-ui.py, line 708
[07:06] <Lure> process_autopartitioning
[07:06] <Tm_T> AGH
[07:06] <Lure> Riddell: should I file a bug?
[07:06] <Lure> (since it is test CD)
[07:07] <Tm_T> ... I should sleep ->
[07:07] <Lure> Riddell: so dialog is actually scrolable, but not resizable...
[07:07] <Riddell> Lure: yeah, file a bug please
[07:07] <Riddell> damn, I wish I knew what the deal was with those ascii/unicode problems
[07:07] <Lure> will do and then try other paritioning mode
[07:08] <Lure> Riddell: btw, I did not entry any non-ascii characters in the dialogs (as raphink would for his name ;-))
[07:08] <Riddell> no, it'll be a slovenian string it's trying to use
[07:11] <Lure> Riddell: may be - slovenina is the language I selected
[07:14] <Lure> Riddell: bug 41621
[07:14] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 41621 in ubiquity "crash on manual partitioning (Kubuntu 20060426.1)" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/41621
[07:14] <Riddell> thanks
[07:15] <Lure> Riddell: I cannot afford use entire disk, but autocreate new partition is fine - will this also create swap partition_
[07:15] <Riddell> Lure: yes
[07:15] <Lure> ok, will try that with Slovene, otherwise I will install in English
[07:17] <Lure> Riddell: what does "new partition size" slider do as there are no units?
[07:18] <Riddell> Lure: it's a percentage of the free space
[07:21] <Lure> Riddell: proposal from paritioner looks strange: hda1 (primary), hda2 (extended part), hda5 (logical) and now it wants to create #6 as swap and #3 as ext3
[07:22] <Lure> this #3 means that it will create primary partition, but the whole space is already occupied by extended partition
[07:22] <Lure> does this mean it will shrink extended partition?
[07:22] <Lure> clarification: I already have 1, 2 and 5 (other OS)
[07:23] <Lure> Riddell: again unicode problem (even though I selected No for partitioning)
[07:24] <Lure> Riddell: will try English now...
[07:24] <Lure> Riddell: it would help my soul if you can explain how partitioning selects above proposed layout ;-)
[07:27] <Riddell> partman is spooky voodoo
[07:27] <Riddell> well, it's not but it's a large bunch of bash scripts
[07:30] <Lure> Riddell: ok, now I am at manual partitioning - resizing of window is funny - you need to play around to get it displayed properly ;-)
[07:31] <Lure> Riddell: next issue is that after adding partitions and clicking Next it did not write new partition table (nor ask to confirm to write), therefore newly created partitions were not offered on next screen
[07:31] <Riddell> Lure: from qtparted screen?
[07:31] <Lure> Riddell: yes - will try manual commit now before doing Next
[07:31] <Riddell> yeah, I still need to make qtparted do that
[07:32] <Riddell> and a few other things
[07:32] <Lure> Commit now complaied with "There was a problem with mkfs.ext3
[07:32] <superstoned> btw why do i get a blank page with "image/svg+xml" in konqi when i try to see the svg image riddell posted a while ago? and why is svgdisplay not associated with svg files, but firefox?
[07:33] <Lure> Riddell: do you want to open bugs for this (or just one bug with summary)?
[07:33] <Riddell> Lure: I'm writing a list of notes
[07:33] <Riddell> not seen that mkfs.ext3 problem before
[07:34] <Lure> Riddell: did not help - still does not offer newly created partitions in next screen :-(
[07:34] <Riddell> that just reads /proc/partitions
[07:35] <Lure> Riddell: problem is that only one partition (ext3) was created, no swap
[07:36] <Lure> Riddell: and it is listed in /proc/paritions...
[07:36] <Riddell> Lure: on manual partitioning or qt partitioning?
[07:36] <Lure> Riddell: can it be that dialog is not updated if you do Next/Prev as I did?
[07:36] <Lure> Riddell: manual partitioning...
[07:36] <Riddell> it's possible
[07:37] <Riddell> you could start again to see if that's the case
[07:37] <Lure> will try again 
[07:38] <Riddell> mouse cursors is also on my todo
[07:39] <Lure> Riddell: intersting - parted now says "unknown" type for partition created in previous try (fdisk reports it properly as Linux 83)
[07:40] <Riddell> qtparted?
[07:40] <Lure> but I think parted type is FS type, isn't it?
[07:40] <Lure> yes
[07:40] <Riddell> wouldn't be surprised if it was a qtparted bug
[07:41] <Riddell> Lure: thanks for your patience :)
[07:44] <Lure> Riddell: now it is there - so it is a problem of Next (filling the dialog) and then going back to parititon and commiting and Next again
[07:45] <Lure> Riddell: this dialog is a bit funny though: it says 1 GB and 6 GB (which were the swap and root partitions that I autocreated), but does not autofill the partition names
[07:45] <Lure> I suspect this is WIP and that this will be auto-suggested to user?
[07:46] <Lure> Riddell: when I select Mount point, 1GB and 6GB disapeared - no concern, just funny...
[07:47] <Lure> Riddell: wishlist: it would help if Parition field would also display the type of partition (Linux, Swap, W95 FAT...)
[07:48] <Lure> it is a bit hard to know that you have selected the right one (besides the size which shows again when partition is selected from list)
[07:49] <Lure> reformat is disabled - is this OK? I would need to format them as parted failde on mkfs.ext3
[07:51] <Lure> Riddell: confirmation dialog is again strange (and scary for me): it mentions #1 (ext3) and #5 (swap), while I have selected 6 (ext3) and 7 (swap)
[07:52] <Lure> Riddell: I think that numbering of paritions is just wrong in this dialog...
[07:52] <Lure> will just do it (and trust my backup ;-))
[07:56] <Lure> Riddell: IT actually DID trash my partitions! ;-)
[07:56] <Lure> #1 and #5 were actually correct in that warning dialog
[07:57] <uniq> riddell: http://ubuntu.lnix.net/misc/kdeedu_ubuntu2_ubuntu3_debdiff.diff fix for kdeedu-doc-html. https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdeedu/+bug/30732
[07:57] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 30732 in kdeedu kdeedu-doc-html "Missing directory in "binary" package" [Normal,Confirmed]  
[07:57] <Lure> instead of installing to selected partitions (#6 and #7), it created on hda1 (ext3) with 110 GB and hda2 (ext part) and ext5 (swap) with 1.5GB, therefore using the whole disk 
[08:00] <Lure> But I have to say: I LOVE this concept of installaing OS (Live + Ubiquity!)
[08:09] <OdyX> Lure: it's fine.. but it HAS to work without damage!
[08:10] <Lure> OdyX: I know, but it went a long way if you count when Riddell/Kamion started with it
[08:10] <OdyX> sure...
[08:10] <OdyX> and it's valuable work !!!
[08:11] <OdyX> Lure:  but why didn't they start from (I_don't_remember_the_distro) ?
[08:12] <Lure> Riddell: two qtparted processes hanging around after install (using almost 100% of CPU)
[08:13] <Lure> Riddell: and Reboot button did not actually reboot - will do manually now
[08:18] <Lure> Riddell: booted into live with huge / partition
[08:20] <Lure> Riddell: keyboard is not Slovene as selected (maybe that is why test box did not work) and digikam is not installed (I installed it on Live CD before runing Ubiquity)
[08:21] <allee> Lure: digikam is not in main.  I'm biased -> :(
[08:22] <Lure> allee: does not matter - I added universe and installed before, I would suspect it is copied by ubiquity
[08:22] <allee> :)
[08:22] <Lure> allee: but you are right - updated sources.list was not copied either, therefore this might be the reason... ;-)
[08:23] <Lure> allee: go and write MainInclusion report ;-)
[08:24] <allee> Lure: UVF first ;)
[08:28] <Lure> allee: right
[08:28] <Lure> I will create some bug reports during week of vacation ;-)
[08:29] <allee> 0.8 or 0.9?  I've decided only more 2 bugfixes allowed for 0.8 branch :)
[08:30] <allee> Lure: ^^
[08:34] <Lure> 0.8 - but will collect debian version + source as you suggested
[08:36] <Lure> BTW, edubuntu policies to membership: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/edubuntu-devel/2006-April/001353.html
[08:44] <allee> raphink-pbook: ping
[08:46] <allee> raphink-pbook: digikam you added an svn patch, now in 0.8.2-beta1 and therefore debian.  Is it okay to dump your changelog so debian and kubuntu pkgs are identical again?
[08:57] <Lure> Riddell: another funny issue: my sources.list has "au." prefix instead of "si."
[09:32] <Tonio_> hey
[09:40] <Lure> hi Tonio
[09:40] <Lure> done with isurance & stuff?
[10:09] <Lure> Tonio_: seen bug 41582 - I suspect it is your recent change...
[10:09] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 41582 in konversation "Default shortcuts for changing tab not working." [Minor,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/41582
[10:12] <mornfall> hmm, i am such a biatch
[11:07] <yuriy> what is with all the "	[UNMETDEPS]  xsim has unmet dependencies" bugs? automatically generated?
[11:07] <pygi> no, the bugs 
[11:08] <yuriy> pygi: ?
[11:08] <yuriy> I'm just saying it looks like they were filed by a script and probably only one bug is necessary
[11:09] <pygi> :P
[11:15] <pef__> yuriy: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2006-April/000649.html
[11:25] <yuriy> pef_: ah, so they are all separate bugs and unrelated (though similar), the script just screwed up the subject?
[11:26] <pef__> yep :)
[11:28] <raphink-pbook> did anyone change kdeprint lately?
[11:30] <raphink-pbook> Riddell: seems the new fix in kdeprint just prevents from adding new printers
[11:30] <raphink-pbook> the list of printer types is greyed
[11:30] <raphink-pbook> I can't select a printer type to add 
[11:30] <Riddell> raphink-pbook: erk
[11:30] <Riddell> raphink-pbook: ok, will need to look tomorrow
[11:30] <raphink-pbook> I click on Add new printer
[11:30] <raphink-pbook> and I get a greyed list
[11:30] <raphink-pbook> with network printer, local printer, etc...
[11:30] <raphink-pbook> and can't choose any
[11:33] <uniq> riddell: did you get my message with the link to the debdiff for kdeedu?
[11:36] <Riddell> uniq: nope
[11:36] <Riddell> uniq: /msg me and I'll get it in the morning
[11:37] <uniq> done, gnite.
[11:38] <Riddell> thanks
[11:38] <freeflying-ibook> Tonio_: ping
[11:40] <freeflying-ibook> raphink-pbook: ping
[11:43] <yuriy> raphink-pbook: hmm Add new printer looks like it works fine for me (updated a few minutes ago)
[11:43] <Lure> raphink-pbook: I do not have problem with add printer - I do SysSettings->Printers->Add->Add Primter/Class... and I can select type