[12:02] jmg: old Debian tradition, the 'dak' suite for archive administration consists of some dozens of girls :) [12:02] sivang: until.... now ;) please write me a mail or ping me tomorrow [12:03] Debian likes naming stuff after shiny things. === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-209-217-119-69.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:04] jmg: they're all elmo's girl freinds ;-) [12:04] slomo__: okay, sure, good night :) === Tonio_ [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth_ [n=amaranth@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth_ [n=amaranth@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth_ [n=amaranth@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === didymo [n=ashley@CPE-61-9-197-223.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth [n=amaranth@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth [n=amaranth@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:37] heylo [12:37] can you guys encrypt emails in evolution? It breaks for me and gpg seems to work ok [12:38] mdke, do you have any zombie processes of gpg around ? [12:38] sometimes gpg dies below evo [12:38] ah, now it's working [12:39] how odd [12:39] (and leaves a lock file in ~/.gnupg) === OddAbe19 [n=OddAbe19@c-68-82-230-35.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:47] hmm === sfllaw [i=sfllaw@debian/developer/coleSLAW] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:55] what is required to be able to modify specs on launchpad? [12:55] Sorry, you don't have permission to access this page. [12:55] need to be an Ubuntu Member? === KOnsumer [n=KOnsumer@87.193.19.234] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:04] jmg, you edit the underlying wiki page === robertj_ [n=robertj@66-188-77-153.dhcp.athn.ga.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:05] mdke: FooDraft? [01:05] mdke: it's not attached to a wiki page yet [01:06] mdke: I wanted to attach it [01:06] url? [01:06] oh I see what you mean [01:06] mdke: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenEnabledKernelDraft [01:07] I guess you have to be the spec registrant, but asking in #launchpad may tell you more [01:07] okay [01:07] what is the spec address? [01:07] night people [01:07] oh, i see it, sorry [01:09] mdke: is it a good spec? [01:10] jmg, I wouldn't know, I'm afraid [01:14] are dependencies on "Priority: required" packages needed? [01:24] night all === OddAbe19 [n=OddAbe19@c-68-82-230-35.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carlos [n=carlos@105.Red-81-34-77.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Ex-Chat"] [01:44] Riddell, around? === sfeehan [n=sfeehan@pool-71-254-4-163.burl.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === farruinn [n=farruinn@user-uinj0k6.dialup.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:54] mdke: hi === Kyral [n=kyral@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:56] Riddell, hiya. About those 3 things I mailed you: I was thinking I will have some time to look at them this weekend [01:57] Riddell, did you have any thoughts on where to put translations on the filesystem? [02:01] mdke: I've not had time to look at it. anywhere that the help ioslave can find them is good [02:02] Riddell, I'll do some tests [02:03] good night === theliz48_ [n=prout@mou06-1-82-246-4-197.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nikolas_ is now known as _nicolas === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.30] has joined #ubuntu-devel === alexr [n=shura@adsl-71-134-224-232.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:34] Mithrandir: Hi there, I have a question for you regarding dapper live cd [02:35] Or maybe anybody else knows: [02:35] is the squashfs filesystem packaged with version2 of the driver going to be understood by the kernel? [02:36] In other words, the dapper kernel: what squashfs driver does it have? [02:37] /boot/config-2.6.15-21-686:3201:CONFIG_SQUASHFS_2_0_COMPATIBILITY=y [02:37] crimsun: thanks! [02:41] crimsun: do I get it correctly that in dapper there's no need for install CD? [02:41] Except specialized server and OEM installs. [02:42] depends whether you want a gui installer or the traditional curses-based one [02:43] Let me ask it this way then: for a computer-illiterate user, is Live CD enough to fully install the system? [02:43] Is there any added value in the Install CD? [02:44] the live cd would be preferable for such a user. [02:44] Does install CD contain more packages than what can be installed from live? [02:45] I don't know the packages seeded off the top of my head. [02:45] You will want to use the live cd for that class of Ubuntu users, however. [02:48] Thanks. [02:49] But, seeded or not, the install cd does contain more packages than what's on the live, doesn't it? [02:49] well, not knowing what's seeded for both makes it difficult to answer that. Someone else knows (but is likely asleep). [02:50] :-) === Burgundavia_ [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stratus [n=stratus@201.19.209.152] has joined #ubuntu-devel === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel === alexr [n=shura@adsl-71-134-224-232.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === FunnyLookinHat [n=FunnyLoo@71.57.11.218] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:24] Heya folks [03:39] hi bddebian [03:41] howdy [03:48] Hello jmg, welshbyte === Arr0gance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-64-26-148-191.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:58] hmm, network-manager is trying to be smart but sucking. [04:00] jmg, what do you mean? === Gman is now known as GmanAFK [04:00] invoke-rc.d networking start will bring up the interfaces successfuly, but network-manager then deconfigures my bridge and runs dhcp on my other nic [04:00] FunnyLookinHat: i think it just cant handle bridges [04:01] FunnyLookinHat: upshot is, whenever i boot into ubuntu, i have to dhclient [04:01] that's very weird. What do you mean by bridges though? network bridges? [04:01] FunnyLookinHat: yeah [04:02] very strange. [04:02] report it as bug yet? [04:02] no, im not sure whether its my fault or what. [04:03] mii-tool eth1 reports a link when there is none [04:03] that might be what confuses netman [04:03] yea, that IS a problem lol [04:04] my eth1 is a 4 port switch [04:04] with an 8139 chip [04:05] yea i have no idea how to configure one of those [04:12] Ack, I may have screwed up. 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[04:21] bddebian: We don't do manual merges for you. :) [04:22] infinity: Why the hell not? ;-P [04:23] Well, I screwed up as usual then :-( === Arr0gance is now known as Arrogance [04:27] :-9 [04:27] :-( === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TomB| [n=ownthebo@AC8D65F5.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === joelbryan [n=joelbrya@210.213.158.141] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TomB| [n=ownthebo@AC8D65F5.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TomB| [n=ownthebo@AC8D65F5.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TomB| [n=ownthebo@AC8D65F5.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sfeehan [n=sfeehan@pool-71-254-4-163.burl.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Arr0gance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-64-26-170-160.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TomB| [n=ownthebo@AC8D65F5.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.1.90.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TomB| [n=ownthebo@ACD8A0DC.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _human_blip_ [n=mike@mike.nelsonbay.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === abelcheung [n=abelcheu@221.126.146.187] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Kyral [n=kyral@128.153.196.218] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _human_blip_ [n=mike@mike.nelsonbay.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _human_blip_ [n=mike@mike.nelsonbay.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mendred [n=mendred@59.92.49.137] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _human_blip_ [n=mike@mike.nelsonbay.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === abelcheung_ [n=abelcheu@221.126.145.196] has joined #ubuntu-devel === human_blip [n=mike@mike.nelsonbay.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kagou [n=kagou@84.5.163.212] has joined #ubuntu-devel === r3dick [n=r3dick@67.189.44.181] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:37] Hello I was told on ubuntu-forums that I might find the info or the location of the info I need to figure out why after an update I cannot boot into 686 any more. If this is so what is the correct protocol to ask for help please? === mendred [n=mendred@59.92.44.53] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:42] I guess i was wrongly informed please forgive me. [06:42] only 2.6.15-21.32-686 ? [06:42] as in 2.6.15-21.32-386 works fine? If so, please migrate to #ubuntu. === r3dick [n=r3dick@67.189.44.181] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [06:43] meany :-) === mendred [n=mendred@59.92.94.209] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mendred [n=mendred@59.92.96.132] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zakame [n=zak@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:16] hi all === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bluefoxicy [n=bluefox@c-68-33-112-13.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bluefoxicy [n=bluefox@c-68-33-112-13.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Ex-Chat"] === TomB| [n=ownthebo@ACD8A0DC.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j^ [n=j@e178014099.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TomB| [n=ownthebo@ACD8A0DC.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _TomB [n=ownthebo@ACD8A0DC.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kagou [n=kagou@84.5.165.34] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TomB| [n=ownthebo@ACD8A0DC.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _TomB [n=ownthebo@ACD8A0DC.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === janimo [n=jani@Home03207.cluj.astral.ro] has joined #ubuntu-devel === HiddenWolf [n=HiddenWo@136.162.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zyga [n=zyga@ubuntu/member/zyga] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === _human_blip_ [n=mike@mike.nelsonbay.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === JaneW [n=JaneW@dsl-146-141-13.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:37] Good morning [08:38] pitti, morning [08:40] hi janimo [08:42] pitti: whoa, biggest cups changelog entry EVAR! === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carlos [n=carlos@105.Red-81-34-77.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.30] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:52] jdub: :) [08:52] hey carlos [08:52] pitti: hi === Gloubiboulga [n=gauvain@ubuntu/member/gloubiboulga] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:53] pitti: so, could we start doing weekly language packs for dapper? === nomed [n=nomed@host19-194.pool8254.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:56] carlos: I think so [08:56] pitti: today we will get another bunch of .pot files [08:56] carlos: I need to fix up a few small things for today's langpacks, but otherwise it should be fairly automatic now [08:56] ok [08:56] I'm going to plan the move of the script run into production [08:57] that way we don't depend on a mirror [08:57] pitti: that means the URL to fetch it will change [08:57] pitti: still need to check how to do it so we have always the same URL [08:57] carlos: no problem, just tell me early enough ;) [08:57] sure [08:58] pitti: about breezy and hoary... [08:58] pitti: I think we should do automatic updates too [08:58] I know we are still missing lots of .po files for those from Rosetta... [08:58] but we are going to handle only updates, right? [08:58] carlos: right [08:59] carlos: we already did it for breezy, that should be fine [08:59] similarly for hoary [08:59] ok [08:59] let's do the automatic updates for dapper [08:59] carlos: so if rosetta only gives us files with strings that were actually changed, it's all fine [08:59] its quite hardcore to get to look at this kind of cooperation :) [08:59] and it doesn't matter that they are incomplete [09:00] pitti: we do it already, I just need to start storing the date when latest language pack was exported [09:00] pitti: and that means that you should not miss any language pack export as I will do exports from previous one (for dapper will not be true until we have the final release) === marilize [n=marilize@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:01] jmg: wonderful, isn't it? ;-) [09:05] very :) === TomB| [n=ownthebo@ACD8A0DC.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tdjb [n=tdjb@209.151.52.189] has joined #ubuntu-devel === herzi [n=herzi@d023044.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:10] doko: today's dist-upgrade pulled in oo.o-gtk, but it's installation fails due to file conflicts to ooo-gnome; known? === mvo [n=egon@p54A648B2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:13] hello, will the ideas posted in the SoC page will be the final project that people are going to work on? [09:15] pitti: is it bug 41251 ? [09:15] Malone bug 41251 in openoffice.org-amd64 "openoffice.org-gtk has a file conflict with openoffice.org-gnome" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/41251 === theliz48__ [n=prout@mou06-1-82-246-4-197.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === poningru [n=poningru@ip68-226-0-76.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:16] robitaille: indeed, thanks === human_blip [n=mike@mike.nelsonbay.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mendred [n=mendred@59.92.57.62] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:28] doko: do you mind if I upload a new capiutils? [09:28] Kamion, do you know why gnome-session ends up on the xubuntu livecd? gdm depends on it but alternately deps on xterm | x-window-manager too [09:29] at least xterm should be satistfied since it's in xubuntu-desktop. I saw no other place where gnome-session could be depended upon [09:29] janimo: check with germinate? [09:29] Mithrandir: does germinate use another dependency algo than apt? [09:29] janimo: I don' [09:29] do I need to look in the germinate package ? [09:29] t remember [09:30] maybe when it comes to alternate depends it just picks differently.. [09:34] slomo: wavpack demoted, thanks [09:35] pitti: amd64? [09:35] Seveas: yes, you still have to depend on stuff if it's only Priority: required; you don't have to depend on it if it's also Essential: yes. procps is a classic example where it makes a difference. [09:35] mvo: no [09:36] Kamion, ok thanks - then I can file heaps of bugs about missing lsb-base dependencies [09:37] Seveas: yes, not depending on lsb-base is a bug, although you might find some packages have code to fall back to something else if lsb-base isn't there [09:38] janimo: germinate's dependency algorithm is different, yes [09:38] janimo: and alternate dependencies are one place where it sometimes falls down [09:39] janimo: in case you figure that out could you tell me, i' wanted to play with that me too later .. but just in case it'll be needed [09:39] janimo: I'm just pulling the xubuntu seeds now to have a look === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:44] Kamion, looks like ubuntu-artwork is pulled in too. It is the other package in gdm deps which has alternative depends there === dsas [n=dean@host81-158-82-72.range81-158.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pvanhoof [n=pvanhoof@mailhost.newtec.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-088-073-098-067.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:53] hmm, oh, it's not germinate that's at fault here, it's apt :P [09:54] the live CDs are built by the buildds installing the metapackages [09:54] which is worth remembering, since it means that you need to upload metapackages before seed changes have any effect on the live CD build process [09:55] Kamion: so I need to ./update in meta and upload xubuntu-desktop + live [09:56] although I only modified the ship seed lately [09:56] it was a general comment, I hadn't looked at your metapackages [09:56] ok [09:56] re [09:56] xubuntu-desktop looks OK; I claim an apt bug [09:56] unless there's something more subtle pulling in gnome-session [09:57] ubuntu-artwork is pulled in too, and has fewer rdepends === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:58] you could try debootstrapping a base chroot, apt-get install ubuntu-standard, and then 'apt-get -o Debug::pkgProblemResolver=true -s install ubuntu-artwork' [09:58] you will get metric shedloads of output, but in there somewhere should be what apt was thinking [09:59] janimo: please put the output of the problem resolver on a pastebin [10:00] Kamion, mvo ok will do === Znarl [i=znarl@24-207-133-89.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mendred [n=mendred@59.92.50.60] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:09] debootstrapping takes some more time === lionelp [n=lionel@ip-128.net-82-216-65.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:09] but I wonder if it's an apt problem why does it manifest only on the liveCD? as desktop install is ok, gnome-session is not pulled in [10:10] because the install CD installs the task (as synthesised in the CD Packages file by cdimage) not the metapackage [10:10] different installation method === vuntz__ [n=vuntz@volin.imag.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:13] doko_: yes, it's already filed as bug 41251 [10:13] Malone bug 41251 in openoffice.org-amd64 "openoffice.org-gtk has a file conflict with openoffice.org-gnome" [Normal,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/41251 === Fjodor [n=sune@0x55510b65.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Marticus [n=demart01@12-208-16-243.client.insightBB.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Kagou [n=Kagou@84.5.165.34] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach [n=daniel@i577B1451.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === theliz48__ [n=prout@mou06-1-82-246-4-197.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:20] mvo: did you have a chance to take a look at malone #40807 ? [10:20] Malone bug 40807 in gnome-session "Logout window dances around when hovering over Sleep and Hibernate buttons" [Normal,Rejected] http://launchpad.net/bugs/40807 [10:21] oops [10:21] wrong bug number [10:21] mvo: malone #40802 [10:21] Malone bug 40802 in gnome-system-tools "in users-admin user privileges there are 3 modem entries" [Normal,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/40802 [10:22] sivang: no, not yet and probably not this week, too much other stuff [10:22] hey mvo [10:23] Kamion, mvo : output of apt-get -o Debug::pkgProblemResolver=true -s install ubuntu-artwork in debootstrap http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12916 [10:23] mvo: okay, can I just then ask you about 24_modem_group_string.patch which changed description of audio group from "Use sounde devices" to "Use serial devices such as Modems and Palm Pilots." , was that intentional? AFAICT this looks like a description bug. [10:24] although wouldn't gdm or xubuntu-desktop be more useful? [10:24] sivang: yeah, probably. if you prepare a fix I'm happy to review/upload [10:25] mvo: cool, then off I go :-) thanks and sorry for taking your time. [10:25] janimo: its not the problemResolvers problem it seem ... it dosn't find any problems to resolve ;) [10:25] sivang: thank you for fixing it [10:27] mvo, ubuntu-artwork has no alternative deps [10:27] is there where problems appear? === theliz48_ [n=prout@mou06-1-82-246-4-197.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:28] janimo: I missed the earlier discussion so I'm not 100% up-to-date. but if apt is suspected for doing the wrong thing, then this is less likely because the problemResolver (who is usually responsible for doing-stuff-wrong) is not run [10:28] mvo, it was about why gnome-session and ubuntu-artwork end up in the xubuntu livecd [10:29] when they are dependencies of gdm but have alternatives [10:29] like xterm and xubuntu-default-settings respectively [10:29] it may not be the gdm dep though [10:30] janimo: i guess you should change xubuntu-live seeds ? === crito [n=crito@mach.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:30] janimo: so you install xubuntu-desktop in a clean chroot and it pulls in gnome-session and ubuntu-artwork? [10:30] it should deps on ubuiquity instead of espresso (?) [10:30] mvo, no xubuntu-desktop installs fine [10:31] it;s just when on the liveCD some other packages show up [10:31] mvo, actually wait it seems it does in clean chroot [10:32] so it may be it's not just the live but a recent change somewhere else [10:34] nomed: merging from the Ubuntu seeds should be sufficient to make that change [10:34] janimo: yes, as I said above it won't be just the live seed [10:35] nomed, it's already ubiquity in the seeds [10:35] but I need to do a meta upload I guess [10:35] mvo: the buildds that build the live CD filesystems do so by apt-get -y install xubuntu-desktop [10:35] mvo: the install CD uses aptitude -y install ~txubuntu-desktop [10:35] janimo: yes [10:35] (or words to that effect) [10:35] mvo: hence why janimo thinks it's live-CD-only, even though it really isn't [10:35] here apt-get update and apt-cache show xubuntu-live ... espresso is still there [10:36] Kamion: aptitude with --without-recommends I guess? [10:36] mvo: yeah [10:36] nomed, on the livecd? [10:36] it may be a difference in the problemresolver then, aptitude nowdays (0.4.x) uses its own implementation [10:36] janimo: that would fix even the missing install icon === theliz48 [n=prout@mou06-1-82-246-4-197.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:37] janimo: no [10:37] mvo: the difference is that apt-get is given the metapackage while aptitude is given the task [10:38] Kamion, so does any of these install recommends besides depends? [10:38] mvo: either way, apt-get is apparently selecting the first one of gdm's alternate dependency on gnome-session | ... | xterm, even though xterm is also a dependency of xubuntu-desktop and so was going to be pulled in anyway; so it looks like it's going depth-first rather than breadth-first, or something [10:38] right (/me should look before typeing) [10:38] janimo: no [10:39] probably kind of hard to fix though; if it's not a critical problem for the xubuntu live CD it might be better to defer to edgy [10:40] janimo: I'm just about to remove espresso from the archive, so I'd suggest uploading -meta, yes :) [10:40] Kamion sure, the probem is if everything on the live system gets copied over the disk [10:41] but I guess it can be worked around by puttin xterm as the first dep in gdm? [10:41] yeah, but that would probably adversely affect Ubuntu [10:42] gnome-session is depended upon by other packages, like ubutu-desktop [10:42] so it will be in anyway [10:42] gdm depends on may packages which are already in default ubuntu-desktop [10:44] I suspect the gdm maintainer will rightly feel that that dependency change would be wrong [10:44] gnome-session *is* the preferred dependency [10:45] dependencies should really be saying what we mean them to say, rather than being workarounds for problems in packaging tools, where possible ... [10:45] understood === TomB| [n=ownthebo@ACD8A0DC.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:47] although gdm does not really depend on any session, it can start whatever it's given.t hose would better be recommends imho [10:49] janimo: btw: distrowatch last 7 days ... pretty amazing [10:49] yeah, but I guess it will fade. it's the newness mostly === thesaltydog [n=saltydog@ubuntu/member/thesaltydog] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ealden [n=ealden@203.177.233.10] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nomed [n=nomed@host19-194.pool8254.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:58] janimo: "apt-get install xterm xubuntu-live xubuntu-desktop" seems to solve that issue [10:59] while apt-get install xubuntu-live xubuntu-desktop installs gnome-session and more [11:00] Kinnison: I just had a look at the g-p-m NEWS file - doesn't seem like icon theme stuff was added. Would you mind much, if I'd take the current source, add a patch to it (only add new files) and add some bits to debian/{rules,control} to uudecode icons? I'm happy to wait for your upload to add my stuff to it, if you prefer that. [11:01] Riddell: is the kexi source package now superseded by koffice? [11:02] nomed: that could go into the live CD build script as a workaround. Talk to infinity about that. [11:02] infinity: ^-- === human_blip [n=mike@mike.nelsonbay.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:03] Kamion: yes it is [11:03] Riddell: binaries kexi-mysql-driver, kexi-postgresql-driver, and libkexi-dev to be removed? (confirming) [11:04] fabbione: I'm going to upload a new xorg in a little bit, ok? [11:05] Mithrandir: yes of course. [11:05] Kamion: -drivers are, let me check on -dev [11:05] Riddell: nothing depends/build-depends on it [11:06] Kamion: there's a kexi-mdb in revu which I think does for MS access databases === ozamosi [n=nozamosi@h88n3c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:08] Riddell: mm, yeah, maybe koffice needs to start shipping that -dev then [11:08] Kamion: yes, I think it does [11:08] Kamion: keep it in for now, I'll get a proper answer toot sweet === ozamosi- [n=nnozamos@h88n3c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:09] ta [11:09] interesting how anastacia gets confused by that; it wants to promote the kexi source package [11:10] Riddell: you want kplato in main? since it was new I shoved it in universe [11:10] (but koffice depends on it) [11:11] Kamion: is kplato being brought into main [11:11] that's what I'm asking :) [11:11] it should be in universe, it's still in "technology preview" stage [11:11] oh, then please make koffice stop depending on it [11:11] or else unseed koffice and seed individual packages, but that seems more drastic [11:12] ok [11:12] Kamion: Yeah, I can change "xubuntu-desktop" to "xterm xubuntu-desktop", if that'll fix things for now. [11:12] Riddell: also, does kexi want to be in main once we sort out this libkexi-dev issue? [11:13] infinity: sounds like it [11:13] Kamion: what's the plan for beta 2? is it definately going ahead? [11:13] Kamion: yes, kexi is a proper release now so it can be promoted [11:13] infinity: possibly other changes required to get rid of ubuntu-artwork too, not sure; that sounds less urgent though [11:13] Riddell: I need to sort out an issue with apt-setup that mdz reminded me of last night, but aside from that I'm planning to do the prep today [11:14] we might as well do Flight CD 7 alongside, for the install CD; Beta 2 is only needed for the live CD [11:14] so if you don't have time for a full QA pass on the install CDs, that's not so bad [11:15] Kamion: libkexi-dev can go, the files are in koffice-dev now [11:17] nomed, good catch === mendred [n=mendred@59.92.38.131] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:18] gnome session install >50Mb worth of deps so it's worth not having on the live and the installed system [11:18] Riddell: ah, great. koffice-dev should Replaces: libkexi-dev then [11:18] and the actualbug that was reportyed against it is that while installed, it has not the whole gnome in so choising it in gdm dialog leads to misbehaviour [11:18] yep, i'll do that now [11:19] I'll remove in the next publisher-not-running window [11:20] Kamion: Okay, new livecd.sh rolled out with that hack in place. [11:20] so who made my CDs explode [11:21] infinity: thanks, does that mean it affects todays live? [11:22] oh, today's live is out already so I guess not [11:23] grmbl, where do these 8M come from [11:23] janimo: Next daily, unless it's urgent that you test it. [11:24] infinity: not urgent, unless a beta2 is supposed to be happening for the derivatives too === theliz48 [n=prout@mou06-1-82-246-4-197.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:24] janimo: it would be nice if within that iso there was the new xubuntu-meta ;) [11:24] and even in that case I'd like to wait for xubuntu-meta to build [11:24] nomed, yep :) I guess that's the reaosn for the missing install icon? [11:25] yes [11:25] it is [11:26] ok [11:27] we could even close bug 41344 .. [11:27] Malone bug 41344 in xubuntu-meta "icons missing on desktop in live cd" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/41344 [11:27] sure [11:28] janimo: i need you add an entry on your TODO list :) [11:28] what entry? :) [11:28] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperXubuntuIcons?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=xfce-setting-show.png <-- [11:28] the icons are done .. [11:28] now we need to have that panel themeable [11:29] is that not more an xfce upstream task? [11:29] janimo: it would be nice to just figure out what wrong [11:30] then we can ping upstreamer [11:30] ok, it's on the TODO, just not on the top :) [11:30] it's really strange that if i remove all the icons ... that panel can still show them [11:31] i'll reboot now to see if the new usplash fixes the red color [11:31] janimo: consider that it could affect even tango upstreamer [11:31] ok === human_blip [n=mike@mike.nelsonbay.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === theliz48_ [n=prout@mou06-1-82-246-4-197.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Huahua [n=hua_@221.172.51.239] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:35] crimsun: do you know any bug that describes the failure of handling '!defaults.pcm.card foo'? Any idea how I can reproduce it here? I want to make sure that snd_pcm_open() really fails in an appropriate way in this case (and not some other function) [11:36] crimsun: (and I need the error code as well, since opening the sound card could fail for other reasons, like being busy) === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:39] Kamion, did ubiquity grow significantly in size over espresso ? [11:40] the only things i see added are ubiquity, ttf-lao and xcursor-themes ... nothing justifies 8MB growth [11:40] ogra: no [11:40] hmm [11:41] nomed: janimo's gone, so you'll do :), yes, I do expect we'll want to do another beta of the Xubuntu live CD [11:42] perfect [11:42] btw: i wanted to test how smart bheaves on that situation :( [11:42] but espresso seems gone ... === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:45] nomed, yes, it was dropped some days ago [11:45] mvo: http://muse.19inch.net/~sivan/s-t-b/ , includes both a debdiff and a changed source. [11:46] mvo: (fix for malone #40802) [11:46] Malone bug 40802 in gnome-system-tools "in users-admin user privileges there are 3 modem entries" [Normal,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/40802 [11:46] ogra: i guess just some minutes ago :) [11:47] nomed, on the weekend i think [11:47] nomed: sorry, what situation? [11:47] sivang: thanks [11:47] ogra: no, I removed it from the archive in the last cycle [11:47] ah, k [11:47] Kamion: the gnome-session issue [11:48] nomed: ah, so espresso was a random tangent [11:48] i thought the first ubiquity just superceded espresso [11:48] ogra: yes, but package removal is never automatic [11:48] s/just/upload just/ [11:48] Kamion: xubuntu-meta has still espresso [11:48] ah [11:48] yep [11:48] nomed: ok, janimo still needs to upload that [11:48] nope [11:48] its uploaded [11:48] i'll wait :) [11:49] (i see it on -changes) [11:49] well, it still needs to build then [11:50] yep [11:50] as edubuntu-meta === _mike_ [n=mike@mike.nelsonbay.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:52] edubuntu-meta is built [11:52] oh, not your most recent upload, ok [11:53] :) [11:53] it didnt have the espresso change === zakame [n=zak@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mendred [n=mendred@59.92.38.131] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:08] Diziet: With latest updates, I'm still seeing bad fonts in epiphany. Is that expected? === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nikusan [n=dan@hamax4-093.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti2 [n=pitti@195.227.105.180] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti2 [n=pitti@195.227.105.180] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === mvo_ [n=egon@p54A648B2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dsas [n=dean@host81-158-82-72.range81-158.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j_ack [n=nico@p508DC2DC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === theliz48_ [n=prout@mou06-1-82-246-4-197.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:35] Mithrandir: can you send me ubiquity changes needed to correspond to your xorg keyboard changes? [12:37] Kamion: remind me what package that would be in? === LinuxJones [n=willy@hlfxns01bbh-142177196014.ns.aliant.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:37] oh, true [12:37] I found it [12:38] yeah, core ubiquity now === Harti [n=Harti@dslb-082-083-235-048.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:40] hello [12:41] Kamion: hmm, you don't ship .bzr in the source any more? [12:41] Mithrandir: never did [12:41] Mithrandir: I don't like shipping revision control detritus in source trees; I've never found it particularly helpful [12:41] the new flashplugin-nonfree 7.0.63.1-ubuntu2 is broken! [12:42] and it encourages people to forget to merge from my trunk :) [12:42] Kamion: I find it useful with bzr and other distributed RCS-es, but YMMV. You'll get a patch in a little bit, then. [12:42] ta [12:42] Harti, wait for 7.0.63.3ubuntu1 and please use LP for bugs [12:43] Harti: I imagine that would be https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/flashplugin-nonfree/+bug/41442; feel free to subscribe [12:43] Malone bug 41442 in flashplugin-nonfree "flash doesn't install now" [Normal,Confirmed] [12:43] ok === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mithrandir twiddles thumbs as bzr takes a stroll around the park. === lloydinho [n=andreas@rosinante.egmont-kol.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:51] mjh59: No, it's not expected. Can you provide a testcase ? === Lure [n=lure@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nikusan_ [n=dan@hamax11-184.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:53] mdz: ok, I just checked and /etc/apt/sources.list does now appear to contain lines for network sources even if you're not connected during installation, whether on the install or on the live CD [12:53] mdz: I thought I observed otherwise earlier, but I guess I was wrong === Keybuk [n=scott@quest.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:57] mjg59: No, it's not expected. Can you provide a testcase ? [12:57] Damn, why do I keep doing that ? (mjg->mjh) [12:59] Mithrandir: do you care if your xorg keyboard change doesn't get into the beta? if the answer's "no", then I don't have to rebuild Ubuntu and Kubuntu livefses ... === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:00] Kamion: no, I don't. It only touches initial installations anyway. [01:00] I'll just rebuild Edubuntu and Xubuntu then [01:00] i'm not yet sure edubuntu is good [01:01] i have no idea where these 8 megs come from, i need to compensate that first [01:01] Kamion: So we're doing a beta 2 this week? [01:03] ogra: you talking about install or live CDs? [01:03] Mithrandir: yeah, was planning on rolling the images today so we can test with at least some leisure [01:03] Kamion, install is oversized in any case, i'm not sure about live [01:03] Kamion: not redoing install, I presume? [01:03] ogra: live looks OK [01:04] Mithrandir: yes, but calling that Flight CD 7, not beta; and perhaps we might want to do that next week [01:04] hmm, i386 at 697M ... [01:04] Kamion: ok. [01:04] so yeah, might be best to just ignore it for today [01:04] given that I don't want to spend too much time on this === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:13] Diziet: news.bbc.co.uk renders in a font that has ugly colour fringing [01:13] I can provide a screenshot? [01:15] color fringing? sounds like a wrong subpixel setting/ [01:15] Treenaks: No, it's choosing a poorly-hinted (or without hinting) font [01:15] ? [01:15] Which wasn't previously the default behaviour [01:16] mjg59: screenshot> Yes, please. (I must reinstall my testbed.) [01:16] When did this start happening ? [01:16] It's been that way since the initial font behaviour change [01:16] I can't tell if it's precisely the same font or not [01:17] Diziet: http://www.codon.org.uk/~mjg59/fringes.png [01:17] 404 [01:17] hmm, I have to rebuild ubuntu/kubuntu amd64/powerpc anyway since they don't have the latest ubiquity; oh well [01:17] Argh [01:17]