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| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:Ubugtu] : Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 26 Apr 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 26 Apr 13:30 UTC: Xubuntu | 27 Apr 20:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team | 27 Apr 22:00 UTC: Kubuntu | 03 May 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 04 May 02:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team | ||
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| freeflying-ibook | @schedule Shanghai | 01:10 |
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| Ubugtu | Schedule for Asia/Shanghai: 26 Apr 20:00: Edubuntu | 26 Apr 21:30: Xubuntu | 28 Apr 04:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 28 Apr 06:00: Kubuntu | 03 May 20:00: Edubuntu | 04 May 10:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 01:10 |
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| freeflying | @schedule Shanghai | 11:48 |
| Ubugtu | Schedule for Asia/Shanghai: 26 Apr 20:00: Edubuntu | 26 Apr 21:30: Xubuntu | 28 Apr 04:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 28 Apr 06:00: Kubuntu | 03 May 20:00: Edubuntu | 04 May 10:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 11:48 |
| cbx33 | @schedule London | 12:11 |
| Ubugtu | Schedule for Europe/London: 26 Apr 13:00: Edubuntu | 26 Apr 14:30: Xubuntu | 27 Apr 21:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 27 Apr 23:00: Kubuntu | 03 May 13:00: Edubuntu | 04 May 03:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 12:11 |
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| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:Ubugtu] : Current meeting: Edubuntu | Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 26 Apr 13:30 UTC: Xubuntu | 27 Apr 20:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team | 27 Apr 22:00 UTC: Kubuntu | 03 May 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 04 May 02:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team | ||
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| jelkner | Is the meeting over? | 01:54 |
| ogra | jelkner, which TZ are you in ? | 01:56 |
| ogra | @schedule EST | 01:56 |
| Ubugtu | Schedule for EST: Current meeting: Edubuntu | 26 Apr 08:30: Xubuntu | 27 Apr 15:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 27 Apr 17:00: Kubuntu | 03 May 07:00: Edubuntu | 03 May 21:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 01:56 |
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| JaneW | 3 mins | 01:58 |
| JaneW | ok let hit it | 02:01 |
| JaneW | hi everyone | 02:02 |
| blugtu | hi jane | 02:02 |
| jelkner | hi jane | 02:02 |
| JaneW | 5 weeks to Dapper release | 02:02 |
| jelkner | class starts for me in 15 minutes | 02:02 |
| sivang | hey JaneW | 02:02 |
| JaneW | hi sivang | 02:02 |
| JaneW | edubuntu is in pretty good shape | 02:02 |
| === highvoltage can't wait | ||
| highvoltage | edubuntu is great! | 02:03 |
| jelkner | edubuntu is fantastic! | 02:03 |
| === ogra just created https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuMeetingAgenda | ||
| JaneW | thanks to ogra for that | 02:03 |
| jelkner | thanks, ogra! | 02:03 |
| cbx33 | edubuntu rawks :D | 02:03 |
| JaneW | thanks ogra | 02:03 |
| cbx33 | thank you ogra | 02:03 |
| ogra | stop now, i'm blushing :) | 02:03 |
| jelkner | i have a quick question... | 02:03 |
| ogra | shoot | 02:03 |
| JaneW | we have it on the top of https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuMeetingRecords too | 02:03 |
| === cbx33 imagines ogra's handsome face blushing :p | ||
| jelkner | ogra: can you please tell me again how to chroot when you dist-upgrade to dapper? | 02:04 |
| ogra | JaneW, we need a dynamic agenda | 02:04 |
| JaneW | ogra: agreed | 02:04 |
| jelkner | or rather rebuilt the ltsp-chroot | 02:04 |
| cbx33 | I think it is becomming increasingly necessary | 02:04 |
| ogra | jelkner, can we do that outside of the meeting ? | 02:04 |
| highvoltage | jelkner: that's a question for #edubuntu :) | 02:04 |
| jelkner | yes | 02:04 |
| JaneW | esp with the edbuntu membership | 02:04 |
| ogra | yep | 02:04 |
| ogra | so from the tech side : | 02:05 |
| === highvoltage is interested to hear more about that | ||
| ogra | not miuch to say, i'm merely busy with ubuntu bugs | 02:05 |
| ogra | we decided to have an update for the beta CD, so beta2 might be released tomorrow | 02:05 |
| JaneW | ogra: there a load of them though like 10k or such like... | 02:05 |
| ogra | (i'm testing isos as i speak) | 02:05 |
| cbx33 | nice, | 02:05 |
| cbx33 | I know ther are loads of bugs, I'm trying to help out where I can | 02:06 |
| ogra | JaneW, yes, but that also includes whishlist and trivial bugs | 02:06 |
| cbx33 | but not so many specific edubuntu bugs | 02:06 |
| cbx33 | hehe | 02:06 |
| ogra | the serious amount is way lower (but still to high) | 02:06 |
| JaneW | ogra: oic, does it look like serious bugs are manageable? | 02:06 |
| ogra | nope | 02:06 |
| highvoltage | nope!? | 02:06 |
| JaneW | even with the new bug guy? | 02:06 |
| ogra | but we have simon now to care for our QA | 02:06 |
| ogra | he will kick our butts if we dont get them solved in time ;) | 02:07 |
| sivang | hey highvoltage :) | 02:07 |
| JaneW | ok, and I meant QA guy not bug guy | 02:07 |
| cbx33 | oh dear | 02:07 |
| highvoltage | ogra: do we have a list of the most critical bugs in edubuntu? | 02:07 |
| highvoltage | hi sivang | 02:07 |
| JaneW | although it's much of a muchness ;) | 02:07 |
| ogra | he will also assign edubuntu specific bugs to the new edubuntu bugsquad in launchpad instead of assigning them to me personally | 02:07 |
| JaneW | highvoltage: I think that should read most critical bugs for edubuntu? | 02:07 |
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| ogra | so if you want to help bug triaging, subscribe to it | 02:08 |
| JaneW | since we don't seem to have many IN edubuntu - right ogra? | 02:08 |
| JaneW | ogra: that's a good idea | 02:08 |
| highvoltage | JaneW: right | 02:08 |
| ogra | https://launchpad.net/people/edubuntu-bugs/+join | 02:08 |
| JaneW | ogra: will anyone else help with those yet, or is that for future expansion? | 02:08 |
| ogra | JaneW, there isnt even a single bug assigned to that team yet | 02:09 |
| highvoltage | blugtu and i wanted to get testing more formalised, we've been meaning to talk to ogra about that for the longest time | 02:09 |
| ogra | and the overall count of edubuntu bugs is ~100 | 02:09 |
| ogra | err | 02:09 |
| highvoltage | but schedule clashes have made that difficult | 02:09 |
| ogra | ~10 | 02:09 |
| sivang | highvoltage: there a rough ubuntu test plans on the wiki, I reckon you could derive upon them and add the additional edubuntu / ltsp bits. | 02:09 |
| highvoltage | testing and bug hunting / fixing probably goes hand in hand | 02:09 |
| blugtu | yeah ,we need to create a first structure for the testing team | 02:09 |
| cbx33 | indeed | 02:09 |
| highvoltage | sivang: noted | 02:10 |
| JaneW | sivang: yes, but I think we have a very basic test plan... | 02:10 |
| === JaneW looks | ||
| ogra | highvoltage, blugtu, cbx33 helped a lot with testing the beta isos ... he can give some hints ;) | 02:10 |
| ogra | JaneW, we only have a copied version of the ubuntu testplan | 02:10 |
| cbx33 | anything I can do guys | 02:10 |
| sivang | highvoltage: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing | 02:10 |
| ogra | 90% of that stuff doesnt need testing in edubuntu | 02:10 |
| ogra | we need to test other bits ... | 02:11 |
| cbx33 | I'm often testing on non-compliant hardware or older hardware | 02:11 |
| JaneW | ogra: right ok we should get that customised then | 02:11 |
| sivang | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Long | 02:11 |
| ogra | since if the things work in ubuntu and we didnt modify anything, they *must* work in edubuntu as well | 02:11 |
| JaneW | cbx33: would you like to do that? | 02:11 |
| cbx33 | sure | 02:11 |
| ogra | in any case we rather need our owm testplans worked out ... | 02:11 |
| cbx33 | I'll give it a shot | 02:11 |
| cbx33 | indeed as you stated ogra most of the ubutnu stuff is tested else where | 02:12 |
| JaneW | ogra: did you respond to the mail about our CD cover copy? is that signed off now> | 02:12 |
| JaneW | ? | 02:12 |
| blugtu | sivang: if you want to take a look to edubuntu testing team wiki , here it is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuTestingTeam | 02:12 |
| ogra | since it makes most sense to test the edubuntu specifics beyond the ubuntu install we test anyway | 02:12 |
| JaneW | cbx33: excellent, thanks | 02:12 |
| cbx33 | totally agree | 02:12 |
| cbx33 | infact most of what I have been testing is non-ubu stuff anyway | 02:12 |
| JaneW | we actaully need to go through the whole edubuntu wiki and do a springclean and update | 02:12 |
| ogra | yes | 02:12 |
| cbx33 | because that's what I'm eventually oing to use it for | 02:12 |
| cbx33 | JaneW: agreeed | 02:12 |
| ogra | we should do that around release or shortly before | 02:13 |
| JaneW | to make sure the info is valid, current and well presented | 02:13 |
| cbx33 | make sure we get it all done in time | 02:13 |
| sivang | ogra: agreed, however if someone edubuntu tests those bits, he can feed bugreports upstream to ubutnu as well :) (regardless of his edubuntu specific bits) Bt I agree this may be out of scope for edu ;-) | 02:13 |
| ogra | (what doesnt mean we shouldnt start already indeed ;) ) | 02:13 |
| sivang | blugtu: looking | 02:13 |
| cbx33 | ogra: :p | 02:13 |
| blugtu | sivang: ;) | 02:13 |
| JaneW | yes, and if you find any of my typos please correct them! | 02:13 |
| ogra | sivang, yes, but i'm not intrested in reports about that, since we'll solve them in ubuntu anyway | 02:13 |
| JaneW | we had one of my typos mentioned in a review last time :/ | 02:13 |
| cbx33 | JaneW: oh dear | 02:14 |
| cbx33 | :p | 02:14 |
| sivang | ogra: sure :) | 02:14 |
| cbx33 | they're so unforgiving | 02:14 |
| ogra | if your thin client bootsplash is wrong, thats something that intrests me, if openoffice is broken, i'm sure it will get solved in ubuntu anyway | 02:14 |
| === cbx33 bites his tongue | ||
| cbx33 | :p | 02:14 |
| ogra | ok, so apart from that and still missing artwork/doc stuff edubuntu is fine | 02:15 |
| JaneW | ogra: you feeling onfident we are on track and have enough testing so far that we won't have major surprises in the next 5 weeks? | 02:15 |
| cbx33 | it makes perfect sense that way seeing as there are many more people to fix ubu spefiic bugs | 02:15 |
| ogra | i have another topic, not tech related | 02:15 |
| ogra | JaneW, yep | 02:15 |
| JaneW | cool | 02:15 |
| JaneW | ok the tech side is good, well done again! | 02:15 |
| JaneW | ogra: you havent seen my whip for a while now :) | 02:16 |
| ogra | i was approached independently by several people asking if we could rotate the meeting time | 02:16 |
| JaneW | ogra: next? | 02:16 |
| cbx33 | I can see why ogra | 02:16 |
| cbx33 | I'm lucky my boss actually wants me to attend these meetings | 02:16 |
| JaneW | I am not commiting to another 4am meeting :( | 02:16 |
| JaneW | ok who is this time really BAD for? | 02:17 |
| blugtu | for me its ok | 02:17 |
| cbx33 | ogra: will the introduction of the CC ease this issue? | 02:17 |
| blugtu | but wednesday its not a good day | 02:17 |
| cbx33 | having more people available to chair the meeting? | 02:17 |
| ogra | we said as long as nobody complains we want to stick to that time, but now with edubuntu membership and with community demand, i guess we should have at least two times to jump between | 02:17 |
| highvoltage | JaneW: i would like a meeting that takes place out of office hours, so that i can attend it 100% | 02:17 |
| JaneW | we have other meetings on Tues and Thurs | 02:17 |
| highvoltage | JaneW: just as a question of preference | 02:17 |
| JaneW | perhaps if we have 2 diff times which alternate each week, then at worst ppl attend every second meeting? | 02:18 |
| ogra | thats my plan | 02:18 |
| cbx33 | sounds good | 02:18 |
| highvoltage | btw, http://distrowatch.com/index.php?dataspan=1 | 02:18 |
| JaneW | are we sticking to wednesday? | 02:18 |
| highvoltage | edubuntu #24 for last 7 days :) | 02:18 |
| JaneW | WOW!!! | 02:18 |
| ogra | so move the current one a bit earlier and have an alternate time for the evening | 02:19 |
| highvoltage | JaneW: seems so | 02:19 |
| JaneW | when Dapper releases we are going to storm the charts :)) | 02:19 |
| ogra | highvoltage, that will drop to nowhere with the new artwork :P | 02:19 |
| JaneW | ok 10:00 UTC or earlier? | 02:19 |
| JaneW | ogra: :(((( | 02:19 |
| JaneW | yes we need to discuss that | 02:19 |
| ogra | 10:00 UTC sounds fine | 02:19 |
| cbx33 | earlier I'd like | 02:19 |
| cbx33 | ah ok :p | 02:20 |
| JaneW | cbx33: what TZ are you? | 02:20 |
| JaneW | oh UK | 02:20 |
| cbx33 | GMT | 02:20 |
| cbx33 | :p | 02:20 |
| blugtu | for me its not good | 02:20 |
| blugtu | 10 utc | 02:20 |
| ogra | what about 18:00 UTC for the other, is that to late for you JaneW ? | 02:20 |
| JaneW | you get up early? | 02:20 |
| blugtu | so early | 02:20 |
| cbx33 | but it's ok | 02:20 |
| highvoltage | ogra: we'll make lots of noise about that, I promise. that's bound to peak some interest in edubuntu though ;) | 02:20 |
| ogra | highvoltage, hopefully | 02:20 |
| blugtu | ogra: 18 utc is perfect | 02:20 |
| cbx33 | that'd be great | 02:20 |
| JaneW | ogra: too late for work day, and too early for night meeting I have to spend 5-8pm (my time with family and kids - sorry) | 02:21 |
| cbx33 | ok | 02:21 |
| cbx33 | make it 22 | 02:21 |
| highvoltage | 18:00 utc is great for me too (but for the same reason it's bad for janew :/ ) | 02:21 |
| ogra | isnt 18:00 UTC 8pm for you ? | 02:21 |
| cbx33 | listen forget me...I can work around it | 02:21 |
| JaneW | 20:00 UTC works for me | 02:21 |
| cbx33 | 20:00 is great for me | 02:21 |
| blugtu | ogra: yes | 02:21 |
| highvoltage | yeah, i think we can discuss this some other time in #edubuntu. | 02:21 |
| highvoltage | wednesdays 12:00 is working Ok. | 02:21 |
| cbx33 | yes brilliantly | 02:22 |
| JaneW | ogra: I can't really commit before 19:00 | 02:22 |
| ogra | UTC ? | 02:22 |
| freeflying | 20:00 UTC is too early for asian | 02:22 |
| JaneW | ok let's debate this on the mailing list of #edubuntu then? | 02:22 |
| cbx33 | make it the late one then | 02:22 |
| ogra | yep | 02:22 |
| blugtu | JaneW: OK | 02:22 |
| ogra | but it seems we have a tendency for 10:00 UTC and 20:00 UTC, right ? | 02:23 |
| JaneW | I am UTC +2 | 02:23 |
| JaneW | ogra: yes that would work for me | 02:23 |
| ogra | yep, as i am | 02:23 |
| blugtu | 20 utc is good | 02:23 |
| JaneW | on a wednesday? | 02:23 |
| ogra | ok, lets take these for the proposal and see what feedback we get | 02:23 |
| ogra | yep | 02:23 |
| ogra | lets keep the day | 02:23 |
| JaneW | ogra: er that will suck on the day we have the 4am the next morning, but we'll cope :) | 02:23 |
| ogra | i usually dont sleep before the 4am meeting, so i'm fine | 02:24 |
| JaneW | yikes | 02:24 |
| cbx33 | heheh | 02:24 |
| ogra | the question is if you can sort it | 02:24 |
| cbx33 | oh dear ogra | 02:24 |
| JaneW | let's try that | 02:24 |
| JaneW | so what time next week? | 02:24 |
| sivang | blugtu: according to what ogra said, why do yo have there a section about "Installation" ? this is already getting tested part of ubuntu no? | 02:24 |
| JaneW | 10:00? | 02:24 |
| ogra | JaneW, next week == first meeting in the month | 02:25 |
| cbx33 | sivang: no | 02:25 |
| JaneW | ogra: yes | 02:25 |
| cbx33 | ther eare extra bits in the edubuntu installation | 02:25 |
| sivang | cbx33: ah I see, ltsp related? | 02:25 |
| cbx33 | yes | 02:25 |
| ogra | we should take care for a third ECC member today as well | 02:25 |
| JaneW | ogra: anything else? | 02:25 |
| ogra | yes, see above | 02:25 |
| blugtu | sivang: yep but we will see for details during a testing meeting | 02:26 |
| JaneW | take care? | 02:26 |
| ogra | vote, elect | 02:26 |
| Riddell | ECC? | 02:26 |
| JaneW | we'll discuss the ECC election next week no? | 02:26 |
| ogra | or do we want to sort that on the first ECC ? | 02:26 |
| sivang | ECC? | 02:26 |
| ogra | Riddell, edubuntu CC | 02:26 |
| freeflying | Riddell: we'd have KCC :) | 02:26 |
| ogra | Riddell, like the KCC ;) | 02:26 |
| JaneW | ogra: do we need to discuss the process or what? | 02:26 |
| ogra | JaneW, i guess we need to *define* a process first | 02:27 |
| JaneW | ogra: ahh | 02:27 |
| JaneW | ogra: mailing list discussion? | 02:27 |
| ogra | yep | 02:27 |
| cbx33 | self nomination, seconded, vote, elect ? | 02:27 |
| JaneW | or here and now? | 02:27 |
| JaneW | cbx33: yep sounds good | 02:27 |
| ogra | sounds very good | 02:27 |
| cbx33 | :) | 02:27 |
| blugtu | i quote cbx33 | 02:27 |
| JaneW | ogar: think we must follow CC processes as far as possible | 02:27 |
| JaneW | ogar! lol | 02:28 |
| cbx33 | heheh | 02:28 |
| ogra | JaneW, not for the ECC itself | 02:28 |
| ogra | but for the member approval | 02:28 |
| JaneW | ogra: yes that's what I meant | 02:28 |
| sivang | ogra: special TB/CC per each derivative? :) | 02:29 |
| === ogra adds a membership candidates section to the new agenda page | ||
| JaneW | ok the new WEB SITE, highvoltage any news on that? | 02:29 |
| JaneW | ogra: thanks | 02:29 |
| highvoltage | JaneW: been talking to Znarl in PM... he's on it | 02:30 |
| JaneW | highvoltage: excellent, got an ETA yet? | 02:30 |
| highvoltage | JaneW: i'll ask him quickly | 02:30 |
| JaneW | highvoltage: we can let it slip in unnoticed | 02:30 |
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| highvoltage | JaneW: what do you mean? | 02:31 |
| highvoltage | oh, right | 02:31 |
| cbx33 | hehe :p | 02:31 |
| highvoltage | JaneW: i've been in contact with znarl over the weekend and monday, yesterday, and today, so it's unlikely to just slip by unnoticed. | 02:32 |
| JaneW | can=can't sorry | 02:32 |
| JaneW | highvoltage: cool ok thanks | 02:32 |
| JaneW | can't wait | 02:32 |
| JaneW | :)) | 02:32 |
| cbx33 | w00t | 02:32 |
| highvoltage | pips1 and i will still make lots of changes to it in the future | 02:32 |
| JaneW | we are still waiting for final dapper artwork | 02:32 |
| ogra | if you want to apply for membership, please add yourself at the bottom of https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuMeetingAgenda | 02:32 |
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| cbx33 | cya highvoltage | 02:33 |
| JaneW | I think it's being kept largely under wraps till closer to the release | 02:33 |
| JaneW | bye highvoltage | 02:33 |
| cbx33 | JaneW: any news on the artwork theme yet? | 02:33 |
| blugtu | cya highvoltage | 02:33 |
| JaneW | but it looks like our default theme is going to be the chalkboard one | 02:33 |
| JaneW | which is dark green | 02:33 |
| ogra | which i strongly oppose | 02:33 |
| === JaneW too for the record | ||
| highvoltage | JaneW: i haven't seen it yet, but if ogra's unhappy with it, then so am i! | 02:34 |
| === cbx33 again | ||
| JaneW | we are still free to provide nice alternatives for the 'Young' theme | 02:34 |
| ogra | yes, i didnt recieve any wallpaper yet | 02:34 |
| cbx33 | JaneW: but not the default? | 02:34 |
| JaneW | cbx33: right | 02:34 |
| ogra | but changing to chalkboard will mean to redo *all* themes | 02:34 |
| ogra | else the colors bite | 02:34 |
| cbx33 | it is a real shame that this is being forced upon us | 02:35 |
| JaneW | I don't HATE the chalkboard one, but I definitely don't love it, and I don;t think it does anything to help build our brand | 02:35 |
| ogra | yes | 02:35 |
| cbx33 | any chance of a petition? | 02:35 |
| JaneW | we can try that yes | 02:35 |
| cbx33 | or an appeal | 02:35 |
| ogra | cbx33, JaneW and i did what we could | 02:35 |
| cbx33 | I understand | 02:35 |
| cbx33 | Wish I could jump on the band wagon too | 02:35 |
| JaneW | ogra and I are powerless alone, but if we have community support that may carry more weight | 02:35 |
| ogra | so its up to the community i guess | 02:35 |
| ogra | which we are not allowed to show the theme | 02:36 |
| JaneW | ogra: are we def not allowed to show it? | 02:36 |
| JaneW | I am not clear about that... | 02:36 |
| cbx33 | what is the issue here? | 02:36 |
| ogra | no idea, but its not much different from https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDapperTheme/JonathanCarter/chalk | 02:37 |
| JaneW | ogra: hehe clever | 02:37 |
| ogra | its a little brighter and has more chalk leftovers on it ... | 02:37 |
| blugtu | i have to go Bye all see you later in #edubuntu | 02:37 |
| JaneW | and some smudging... | 02:37 |
| JaneW | bye | 02:38 |
| cbx33 | bye Bluekuja | 02:38 |
| blugtu | cya | 02:38 |
| blugtu | ;) | 02:38 |
| ogra | ciao Bluekuja | 02:38 |
| blugtu | lol ciao oliver | 02:38 |
| cbx33 | ogra: it just seems very old fashioned | 02:38 |
| JaneW | so like I said before if you have anything better SEND it to us | 02:38 |
| ogra | yes | 02:38 |
| ogra | yeah | 02:38 |
| cbx33 | what about swapping it for an interactive whiteboard :p | 02:38 |
| JaneW | we can;t complain unless we have alternatives | 02:38 |
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| cbx33 | hehe | 02:38 |
| cbx33 | I can do what I can | 02:38 |
| cbx33 | my wife is a website designer, I can get her to give it a shot if you want | 02:39 |
| cbx33 | she's pretty good with that kind of thing | 02:39 |
| JaneW | cbx33: yes please! | 02:39 |
| ogra | we wanted to stay with the current bright and colorful theme, but were told by our coo that it isnt recognized as edubuntu branding yet | 02:39 |
| cbx33 | oh it will be | 02:39 |
| cbx33 | if it's the last thing I do :p | 02:39 |
| ogra | (which we both disagree about) | 02:39 |
| cbx33 | It;s a gear theme | 02:39 |
| cbx33 | *great | 02:40 |
| JaneW | cbx33: see this http://art.ubuntu.com/backgrounds/edubuntu/ | 02:40 |
| cbx33 | and brands it well | 02:40 |
| cbx33 | JaneW: do you have any tips/guidence on what we like/don;t like | 02:40 |
| cbx33 | a design brief I suppose I could pass on to her | 02:40 |
| JaneW | we like edubuntu girl but were hoping for more diversity, since that was an issue last time, so were looking at something like | 02:40 |
| cbx33 | ok | 02:41 |
| JaneW | http://art.ubuntu.com/images/backgrounds/Edubuntu-Children_Of_Edubuntu_1024x768.png | 02:41 |
| ogra | the goal was to appear more grown up than in last release | 02:41 |
| JaneW | perhaps a bit subtler though | 02:41 |
| cbx33 | I see what you mean | 02:41 |
| cbx33 | it's nice, but it looses the brainding i feel | 02:41 |
| ogra | we wanted a more neutral wallpaper, but still bright and friendly | 02:41 |
| cbx33 | ogra: totally agree with you there | 02:41 |
| JaneW | ogra: for the default yes, but we still want a fun and naive young option | 02:41 |
| cbx33 | i think quite a clean background with a definite theme would be nice | 02:42 |
| JaneW | edubuntu girls with her new diverse friends? | 02:42 |
| ogra | yes, the young one can look like edubuntu girl or the children of edubuntu | 02:42 |
| cbx33 | hehehe | 02:42 |
| cbx33 | I'll get her started tonight, she'll do her best I know it | 02:42 |
| ogra | :) | 02:43 |
| JaneW | ogra use this http://art.ubuntu.com/images/backgrounds/abstract.jpg | 02:43 |
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| ogra | JaneW, we had that already :) | 02:44 |
| ogra | was the very first wallpaper i packaged :) | 02:44 |
| cbx33 | heheh | 02:44 |
| JaneW | yes but it wasn't released | 02:44 |
| cbx33 | any more thoughts on artwork? | 02:44 |
| JaneW | and we replaced it with the fun young one | 02:44 |
| ogra | it was pre mustard :) | 02:44 |
| JaneW | :P | 02:44 |
| cbx33 | pre-mustard hahaha | 02:44 |
| JaneW | cbx33: ogra lves mustard | 02:45 |
| === cbx33 loves ketchup | ||
| ogra | i dont even eat mustard :) | 02:45 |
| ogra | but i like the color :) | 02:45 |
| === cbx33 pictures handsome ogra in his mustard coloured shirt | ||
| ogra | lol | 02:45 |
| cbx33 | and mustard coloured leather pants :p | 02:46 |
| JaneW | euw | 02:46 |
| ogra | nah ... | 02:46 |
| cbx33 | maybe we culd use a picture of hip hop ogra in his mustard attire for the background | 02:47 |
| ogra | they are black i wouldnt wear colored leather | 02:47 |
| ogra | haha | 02:47 |
| Mithrandir | we could just color rotate the image and they'd be mustard. | 02:47 |
| cbx33 | right, next? | 02:47 |
| ogra | Mithrandir, heh ... "different kinds of mustard" :) | 02:48 |
| JaneW | ok the dreaded cookbook | 02:49 |
| JaneW | looks like there had been some action this week | 02:49 |
| ogra | is anyone of the cookbook team here ? | 02:49 |
| ogra | spacey and pygi are missing | 02:49 |
| cbx33 | I think I'm a n00bie member | 02:50 |
| ogra | HedgeMage is working hard on it it seems | 02:51 |
| ogra | she asked for screenshots last night | 02:51 |
| ogra | but she can only attend the evening meetings | 02:51 |
| JaneW | nice | 02:52 |
| JaneW | ok, we'll carry that discussion over | 02:52 |
| JaneW | but there's deifinately action on it now | 02:52 |
| ogra | an i guess she'd also go for membership | 02:52 |
| JaneW | :) | 02:52 |
| JaneW | good | 02:52 |
| JaneW | ok anything else to discuss? | 02:52 |
| ogra | (i hope we'll get actually some candidates for next meeting) | 02:53 |
| cbx33 | for the meeting? | 02:53 |
| === cbx33 is a candidate :p | ||
| ogra | yay ! | 02:53 |
| ogra | ok, then i'd say meeting adjourned :) | 02:54 |
| ogra | thanks all | 02:54 |
| cbx33 | ooh | 02:54 |
| cbx33 | hang on | 02:54 |
| ogra | shoot | 02:54 |
| cbx33 | I just wanted to mention | 02:54 |
| cbx33 | I've started a team | 02:54 |
| cbx33 | https://launchpad.net/people/edubuntu-school-support | 02:54 |
| ogra | yes | 02:55 |
| cbx33 | to try to provide some support material for schools | 02:55 |
| ogra | you should announce it on the mailing list | 02:55 |
| ogra | with a little description and advertisement :) | 02:55 |
| cbx33 | I will do later, wated to get some opinions on it first :p | 02:55 |
| ogra | its a great idea :) | 02:56 |
| JaneW | cbx33: excellent idea! | 02:56 |
| JaneW | I am sure jelkner will be interested | 02:56 |
| cbx33 | good | 02:56 |
| JaneW | please post on the m/l... | 02:56 |
| JaneW | should help to get things ging again | 02:56 |
| cbx33 | well that's all I had to say I think | 02:56 |
| cbx33 | apart from | 02:56 |
| JaneW | thanks | 02:56 |
| ogra | highvoltage will be intrested as well :) | 02:57 |
| JaneW | so long | 02:57 |
| cbx33 | if anyone has any general dogsbody things that need doing | 02:57 |
| JaneW | and thanks for all the quiche | 02:57 |
| ogra | :) | 02:57 |
| JaneW | cbx33: I'll keep that in mind :) | 02:57 |
| cbx33 | I'm ya man :p | 02:57 |
| JaneW | write specs for SoC! | 02:57 |
| cbx33 | hehehe | 02:57 |
| cbx33 | I'll get the missus working tonight | 02:57 |
| sfllaw | ogra: I won't kick you. Violence solves nothing. | 02:57 |
| cbx33 | ok | 02:57 |
| sfllaw | ogra: Guilt however, I use like a surgeon. | 02:57 |
| ogra | sfllaw, you wont move my fat ass without kicking ;) | 02:58 |
| JaneW | sfllaw: he likes a good whipping | 02:58 |
| Mithrandir | yeah, it's just enjoyment for him. | 02:58 |
| JaneW | pref with some alcohol | 02:58 |
| JaneW | and a smoke | 02:58 |
| ogra | but to be honest, the edubuntu bugcount is marginal | 02:58 |
| Mithrandir | JaneW: in the wounds? | 02:58 |
| cbx33 | heheh | 02:58 |
| JaneW | Mithrandir: yeah | 02:58 |
| ogra | eek | 02:58 |
| sfllaw | JaneW: Lady, I like your style! | 02:59 |
| cbx33 | hehehe | 02:59 |
| JaneW | *bow* | 02:59 |
| ogra | sfllaw, you wont have to kick much :) i think edubuntu has around 10 open bugs | 02:59 |
| ogra | ok, can we close ? | 02:59 |
| cbx33 | yes | 02:59 |
| JaneW | yes adjourned | 02:59 |
| JaneW | early for once :)) | 02:59 |
| JaneW | back to #edubuntu | 03:00 |
| cbx33 | back to #edubuntu | 03:00 |
| ogra | perfect | 03:00 |
| cbx33 | heheh | 03:00 |
| cbx33 | jinx | 03:00 |
| JaneW | snap | 03:00 |
| ogra | exactly 60mins | 03:00 |
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| GNAM | . | 03:34 |
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| Gloubiboulga | hi ! | 03:36 |
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| freeflying | Gloubiboulga: hi, congrats | 03:37 |
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| Gloubiboulga | hi freeflying, thanks ! | 03:37 |
| janimo | hi all | 03:38 |
| janimo | congrats to Gauvain! | 03:38 |
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| Gloubiboulga | thanks janimo ! | 03:38 |
| Gloubiboulga | Just did my first upload | 03:38 |
| janimo | great! | 03:39 |
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| freeflying | Gloubiboulga: nice :) | 03:39 |
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| Gloubiboulga | janimo, sorry, not a Xubuntu one ;) | 03:39 |
| janimo | yeah, but there is time for those too ) | 03:39 |
| janimo | :) | 03:39 |
| Gloubiboulga | yes :) | 03:40 |
| freeflying | janimo: dose the space of xubuntu enough now? | 03:40 |
| janimo | freeflying: enough for what? | 03:40 |
| janimo | we have a lot of free space still | 03:40 |
| freeflying | janimo: some scim's module | 03:40 |
| janimo | for language support? | 03:40 |
| janimo | sure | 03:40 |
| janimo | just say which packages | 03:40 |
| freeflying | great | 03:41 |
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| freeflying | scim-pinyin scin-anthy scim-hangul scim-chewing | 03:41 |
| janimo | you can post to the list if you wish with the packages and a brief description of why it's needed if not obvious | 03:41 |
| janimo | ok, are these on ubuntu/kubuntu already? | 03:41 |
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| freeflying | no , due to the space issue | 03:41 |
| janimo | is it ok if they go to ship and not installed by default? | 03:42 |
| nomed | hi all | 03:42 |
| janimo | I'd like to keep desktop default install small if possible | 03:42 |
| janimo | hi nomed | 03:42 |
| Gloubiboulga | hi here nomed | 03:42 |
| freeflying | janimo: if these can be installed defaultly ,CJK users can use it directly | 03:42 |
| janimo | ok | 03:43 |
| freeflying | janimo: great! | 03:44 |
| janimo | freeflying: so right now by default CJK users cannot type in native language on ubuntu/kubuntu becaus ethese ar enot on the CD? | 03:44 |
| janimo | I see there are two chinese one korean and one japanese right? the four packages you mentioned | 03:44 |
| freeflying | janimo: ya, guys need download the language support packages | 03:44 |
| janimo | freeflying: oh, so what is the improvement in dapper regarding asian languages? | 03:45 |
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| janimo | working just not fitting on CD? did they not even work ok so far? | 03:45 |
| freeflying | janimo: guys needn't configure anymore | 03:45 |
| janimo | oh, you needed to tweak X/fontconfig and such? | 03:45 |
| freeflying | if they choose download language suppot package , everything is okey | 03:45 |
| freeflying | janimo: needn't | 03:46 |
| janimo | besides these which are input methods, is there anything missing right now from xubuntu default? | 03:46 |
| janimo | fonts? | 03:46 |
| freeflying | the are in desktop seeds | 03:46 |
| janimo | ok I'll add these 4 packages to xubuntu-desktop, seems to be 4Mb total | 03:47 |
| freeflying | janimo: if you have enough space , include language-pack-gnome-CJK would be better :) | 03:47 |
| janimo | freeflying: there's no other reason for them not being on the ubuntu CD right? | 03:48 |
| janimo | like quality issues ? | 03:48 |
| freeflying | janimo: no others | 03:48 |
| janimo | I guess not if they're in main | 03:48 |
| freeflying | no | 03:48 |
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| janimo | freeflying: language-pack gnome ? | 03:48 |
| janimo | that's mostly for gnome apps right? | 03:48 |
| janimo | granted abiword is in there too and gaim | 03:48 |
| freeflying | janimo: then what for xfce4's i18n ? | 03:49 |
| janimo | freeflying: those are small enough (a few 100Kb per language) that are put directly in the base langpacks | 03:49 |
| janimo | no more than 300K/lang | 03:49 |
| freeflying | janimo: then language-support-CJk | 03:50 |
| janimo | so if CHK have translated xfce they're in :) | 03:50 |
| janimo | freeflying: sure | 03:50 |
| janimo | till now I did not put in anything besides what's in ubuntu | 03:50 |
| janimo | to keep the CD easily downloadable | 03:50 |
| freeflying | janimo: with these , CJK user needn't download exrta package | 03:50 |
| janimo | but I'll add many langpacks | 03:50 |
| freeflying | that's great | 03:50 |
| janimo | the top 10 languages' lang support seem to total 120-130 Mb | 03:50 |
| janimo | that fits I think even with OOo on the CD | 03:51 |
| freeflying | janimo: CJK is in top 10? | 03:51 |
| janimo | well mandarin sure is :) | 03:51 |
| janimo | top 1 I think :) | 03:51 |
| janimo | but yes I fon;t recall the ubutu classification | 03:51 |
| janimo | let me check | 03:51 |
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| freeflying | janimo: xubuntu has abiword ,why include OOo | 03:52 |
| janimo | http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/seeds/xubuntu-dapper/ship | 03:52 |
| janimo | freeflying: OOo is not installed just on the CD. since it fits | 03:52 |
| janimo | I got the impression from a bengali translator that, besides OOo no free office is usable in indian langauges | 03:53 |
| janimo | is that not the same for CJK? | 03:53 |
| freeflying | janimo: as to me , xubuntu shall use light program like goffice instead of OOo | 03:53 |
| janimo | freeflying: I agree that it's lighter and that's the default | 03:54 |
| janimo | but does abiword support CJK/indic languages? | 03:54 |
| freeflying | janimo: not too well | 03:54 |
| janimo | so what do chinese users who prefer not to write in English do? :) | 03:54 |
| janimo | they need OOo I guess | 03:55 |
| freeflying | abiword can write in CJK | 03:55 |
| freeflying | but not so fine as OOo dose | 03:55 |
| janimo | most popular languages according to ubuntu classification: zh es bn hi ar xh pt ru ja de fr | 03:55 |
| janimo | so chinese support will be on CD definitely | 03:55 |
| freeflying | nice :) | 03:55 |
| janimo | ok what do we have on our agenda today? | 03:56 |
| janimo | not on the wiki of course since that's empty :) | 03:56 |
| nomed | http://xoomer.virgilio.it/bat/xubuntu/xfce-setting-show.png <-- | 03:57 |
| Gloubiboulga | nothing for me... | 03:57 |
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| janimo | nomed :) | 03:57 |
| nomed | janimo: we'll need an xubuntu-icons-theme within artwork | 03:57 |
| nomed | for sure | 03:57 |
| janimo | what theme does tha tuse? | 03:57 |
| nomed | there will be really few but needed anyway | 03:58 |
| janimo | are those new icons made for xubuntu? | 03:58 |
| nomed | yes | 03:58 |
| janimo | can they be part of tango itself? | 03:58 |
| nomed | not all of them but some | 03:58 |
| nomed | no | 03:58 |
| janimo | what is the reason for not? | 03:58 |
| nomed | the xubuntu specific ones no | 03:58 |
| nomed | just generic icons | 03:58 |
| janimo | there is a sound icon in tango already and does not look like that (whistle) | 03:59 |
| nomed | but i have still to talk to dobay about this | 03:59 |
| janimo | what is the situation in current mcs-manager? | 03:59 |
| nomed | dobey even | 03:59 |
| janimo | where does it fallback to? | 03:59 |
| nomed | orrible | 03:59 |
| ogra | did you guys see that you are at place 4 on distrowatch ? | 03:59 |
| ogra | http://distrowatch.com/index.php?dataspan=1 | 03:59 |
| janimo | yes, but more techinaclly? :) | 03:59 |
| freeflying | janimo: dose xubntu has a network-con tool | 03:59 |
| nomed | i'll write a mail to xfce-devel | 03:59 |
| ogra | (for the 7 day stats) | 03:59 |
| janimo | ogra, yeah somewhat under our expectations ;) | 03:59 |
| Gloubiboulga | ogra, yep :) | 03:59 |
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| ogra | janimo, well, its hard to beat ubuntu :) | 04:00 |
| janimo | nomed, writing to xfce devel would be really great | 04:00 |
| janimo | ogra, ;) | 04:00 |
| nomed | janimo: tecnically xfce-mcs-setting is the devil | 04:00 |
| janimo | but really I think xubuntu is overhyped :) | 04:00 |
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| nomed | it can use icons that don't exist | 04:01 |
| nomed | :) | 04:01 |
| ogra | janimo, it has buntu in its name, thats ebnough for a hype :) | 04:01 |
| janimo | nomed, if upstrem could fix that code to use saner icon names which can be found in tango/icon-spec we'd be further ahead | 04:01 |
| janimo | I'd prefer that instead of changing tango to some other theme at this point | 04:01 |
| janimo | and possibly incur other breakage | 04:01 |
| janimo | or even have poeple not like it | 04:02 |
| janimo | ogra, and an X. Never underestimate the power of the letter X in marketing | 04:02 |
| nomed | janimo: you do not need to change tango | 04:02 |
| janimo | most of the reason why XMl is popular IMHO | 04:02 |
| ogra | hehe | 04:02 |
| janimo | nomed, so tango will be the fallbak? | 04:02 |
| nomed | they need to fix that issue | 04:02 |
| janimo | look in xubuntu first then fallback to tango? | 04:03 |
| nomed | janimo: back to the beginning :) | 04:03 |
| janimo | if so does that not mean less performance? | 04:03 |
| nomed | xubuntu icons theme in xubuntu-artwork :) | 04:03 |
| nomed | fallback --> tango | 04:03 |
| nomed | anyway the dialog icons issue is still there | 04:03 |
| nomed | as those icons are hardcoded | 04:03 |
| janimo | nomed, ok please write to xfce-devel about this | 04:04 |
| nomed | the only solution at the moment is to patch source | 04:04 |
| janimo | I suppose they'd like to fix that too | 04:04 |
| janimo | as they seem to use tango | 04:04 |
| nomed | me too | 04:04 |
| janimo | indeed the mcs manager is out of sync with the rest if I think about it | 04:04 |
| nomed | i'll continue a thread that got 43 answers :) | 04:04 |
| janimo | ok :) | 04:04 |
| nomed | it was at a good point :) | 04:04 |
| janimo | they seemed positive generally right? | 04:04 |
| nomed | absolutely yes | 04:04 |
| janimo | I am looking at desktop icons in the meantime | 04:05 |
| janimo | launchers and removable media | 04:05 |
| janimo | nomed, ok thanks.let's see what they say and then go on. | 04:05 |
| nomed | i would see even hd .. not removable .. | 04:05 |
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| janimo | nomed, I mean behaviour | 04:06 |
| janimo | they do not automatically show up and things like that | 04:06 |
| nomed | uhhh .. | 04:06 |
| nomed | k | 04:06 |
| janimo | in the meantime talk to dobey if it's possible to get some of these into tango itslef | 04:06 |
| nomed | janimo: i'm sure there is a bug on that code | 04:06 |
| janimo | makes our job easier long term | 04:06 |
| janimo | nomed, yes there is | 04:06 |
| nomed | janimo: yes it's possible | 04:06 |
| janimo | but brian/benny don't havetoo much time to debug | 04:06 |
| nomed | i have already the legacy xml file | 04:06 |
| janimo | especially sine it seems to work for them | 04:07 |
| nomed | ao it may depend on dbus | 04:07 |
| nomed | s/ao/so | 04:07 |
| nomed | ahh and tango upstreamer will include that patch as soon as i send it to him | 04:08 |
| nomed | i'm just waiting a steady state :) | 04:08 |
| janimo | great :) | 04:08 |
| janimo | than daniel will upload it to ubuntu and we're better | 04:08 |
| nomed | i think then some artist should play with xubuntu images | 04:09 |
| nomed | they need to be all fixed | 04:09 |
| janimo | which images? | 04:10 |
| janimo | current artwork? | 04:10 |
| nomed | wallpaper, usplash, logo and so on | 04:10 |
| janimo | hmm do you not like jmak's work? | 04:10 |
| nomed | they 're done but they've even small issues | 04:10 |
| janimo | he is the single artist so far who actively participated | 04:11 |
| janimo | since the beginning | 04:11 |
| nomed | janimo: the usplash could be strongly improved | 04:11 |
| janimo | nomed I agree but usplash looks ugly because of small res no? | 04:11 |
| nomed | not really | 04:11 |
| janimo | although ubuntu usplash is nicer | 04:11 |
| nomed | it's while the artist convert the image to an idexed one | 04:11 |
| nomed | it's possible to get a really better resolution | 04:12 |
| janimo | aha | 04:12 |
| nomed | i've seen images on 16c that were the same as the original one | 04:12 |
| janimo | we may need to tell jmak how to actually test the usplash so he sees the result himself | 04:12 |
| nomed | that depends on how the artist can use gimp inkscape and such apps | 04:12 |
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| luzi | the problem with usplash is not resolution, it's the 16 colors! | 04:13 |
| nomed | luzi yes | 04:13 |
| nomed | but ex | 04:13 |
| nomed | the usplash i checked had a color map with a lot of red and pink | 04:13 |
| nomed | and i don't see red or pink in xubuntu usplash | 04:13 |
| nomed | that means the palette could be optimized | 04:14 |
| nomed | and consequentely the image resolution | 04:14 |
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| nomed | if you have 16 c .. | 04:14 |
| nomed | but you use just 4 c from that palette ... | 04:14 |
| janimo | nomed, please talk to jozsef or luzi about this and see if you can sort it out | 04:15 |
| janimo | and when you're all satisfied I'll upload :) | 04:15 |
| nomed | janimo: i wrote a mail | 04:15 |
| janimo | ok | 04:15 |
| nomed | but i need they contact me or just replay :) | 04:16 |
| nomed | luzi if you're fine with it we can talk a bit at #xubuntu later | 04:16 |
| luzi | ok | 04:16 |
| nomed | luzi there is a small issue on the official xubuntu logo | 04:17 |
| nomed | have u seen it .. | 04:17 |
| nomed | ? | 04:17 |
| luzi | what issue? | 04:17 |
| nomed | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperXubuntuLogo | 04:18 |
| nomed | take a look on the left part of that circle :) | 04:18 |
| nomed | maybe it's me ... | 04:18 |
| mjg59 | It looks like the "head" is offset from the "body" | 04:18 |
| luzi | ok, i see it now! | 04:19 |
| luzi | i'll fix it. | 04:19 |
| nomed | then i was thinking that as xfdesktop supports color background | 04:19 |
| janimo | anything else? | 04:19 |
| nomed | the wallpaper could just be a trasparent layer .. | 04:19 |
| nomed | luzi what do u think ? | 04:20 |
| nomed | (as the smoke one ) | 04:20 |
| janimo | Gloubiboulga: any plans regarding xfce uploads this week? | 04:20 |
| nomed | if i' not wrong | 04:20 |
| janimo | xfburn. thunar plugins? | 04:20 |
| nomed | janimo: there is a new version of verve panel plugin | 04:21 |
| janimo | nomed, I know | 04:21 |
| sladen | nomed: you get 14 colours, which is good enough for a gradient (hence the kubuntu one is shades of blue and the ubuntu one is shades of brown/gold) | 04:21 |
| nomed | but checking it i do not see any reason to upload it | 04:21 |
| Gloubiboulga | janimo, xfburn is still broken, and I have no answer on Xfce bugzilla | 04:21 |
| janimo | I kind of expect upstream to aply the xfrun dbus patch already so verve makes more sense | 04:21 |
| janimo | Gloubiboulga: did you file abug on xfburn? | 04:21 |
| nomed | ahh ok | 04:21 |
| Gloubiboulga | janimo, yes | 04:21 |
| janimo | in what way is broken? I used it to burn some isos this week | 04:21 |
| janimo | better than graveman which crashes | 04:21 |
| Gloubiboulga | janimo, if it's build from SVN it's ok, buit if I use make dist or make distcheck it FTBFS | 04:22 |
| janimo | Gloubiboulga: oh I remember. autotools madness | 04:22 |
| Gloubiboulga | yep | 04:22 |
| nomed | sladen: i agree | 04:22 |
| Gloubiboulga | I'll try to have a look at this | 04:22 |
| highvoltage | ogra: are you saying that my old theme looks shitty? | 04:22 |
| Gloubiboulga | janimo, screenshooter and media-tag plugins are ready | 04:23 |
| ogra | highvoltage i'd never say that ! | 04:23 |
| highvoltage | sorry, please ignore tha!!! | 04:23 |
| nomed | the xubuntu png should just use better the color map | 04:23 |
| janimo | Gloubiboulga: does screenshooter work? | 04:23 |
| Gloubiboulga | janimo, yep, but there's an icon issue | 04:24 |
| janimo | I ddi not check the last release if they improved on what i ported | 04:24 |
| janimo | gnome-screenshot is used no? | 04:24 |
| Meyer_ | todas | 04:24 |
| janimo | that is in most icon themes | 04:24 |
| Gloubiboulga | janimo, not in the Xfce one | 04:24 |
| Gloubiboulga | I had to install the gnome icons package to see the plugin in the panel | 04:25 |
| nomed | Gloubiboulga: there is gnome-screenshoter in Rdent | 04:25 |
| Gloubiboulga | nomed, hm... I didn't see it | 04:25 |
| janimo | I see s stock-screenshot | 04:25 |
| nomed | find /usr/share/icons/Rodent/ | grep shoot | 04:25 |
| nomed | applets-screenshooter.png sorry | 04:26 |
| nomed | Gloubiboulga: anyway we can add the icon you need i guess | 04:26 |
| nomed | with the name that 's on the desktop file | 04:26 |
| janimo | hmm I explicitely changed that tpo gnome-screenshot back then | 04:26 |
| janimo | I wonder why | 04:26 |
| janimo | we shoulduse whatever name is in tango for screenshot | 04:27 |
| janimo | that is: nothing | 04:27 |
| nomed | janimo: we can even use the name that is desktop file and add it to xubuntu icons theme | 04:27 |
| luzi | nomed: the logo issue is fixed. | 04:27 |
| nomed | so you do not need to add any patch | 04:28 |
| nomed | luzi thanks :) | 04:28 |
| luzi | nomed: oops, i just saw that the bar is not right yet... | 04:28 |
| Gloubiboulga | I'll check again | 04:29 |
| Gloubiboulga | nomed, right, seen it :) | 04:29 |
| janimo | Gloubiboulga: when they're ready put them online | 04:31 |
| janimo | so I can look at them, and then you can upload :) | 04:31 |
| Gloubiboulga | janimo, ok | 04:31 |
| Gloubiboulga | janimo, do you want a package for the thunar archive plugin too ? | 04:34 |
| janimo | sure | 04:34 |
| Gloubiboulga | ok | 04:34 |
| janimo | although we need to think where it would fit better | 04:34 |
| janimo | single package which depends on fle roller for now? | 04:34 |
| janimo | I guess since it does not work yet with xarchiver it cannot be part of thunar or xarchiver | 04:35 |
| Gloubiboulga | I don't see what else we could do for the moment | 04:35 |
| Gloubiboulga | yes | 04:35 |
| janimo | we could sync xarchive from debian as it has cmd line ooptoins and try that | 04:35 |
| janimo | anyway if xarchiver is bugged it'd be good to have that as a fallback in universe | 04:35 |
| Gloubiboulga | true | 04:35 |
| janimo | I'll file a sync requets (should have done it along with xarchiver) | 04:36 |
| janimo | arrrgh. two projects trying to make two similar gtk only archivers and none of them being done yet :( | 04:36 |
| janimo | so lets' at least have the thunar plugin in and test it with file roller | 04:36 |
| Gloubiboulga | ok | 04:37 |
| janimo | at least that works\ | 04:37 |
| janimo | thanks\ | 04:37 |
| nomed | janimo: the xarchiver devel contacted me few h ago | 04:37 |
| janimo | nomed, one good news and a bad news? or soemthing like that ;) ? | 04:37 |
| nomed | i was next to convince him to release something in the mean time .. | 04:38 |
| janimo | but then he said no ? | 04:38 |
| nomed | and he suddenly changed his mind | 04:38 |
| janimo | well there are a few lessons learned for dapper+1 anyway | 04:38 |
| nomed | anyway ... exactly | 04:38 |
| janimo | not just the xarchiver one but some oethers too | 04:38 |
| janimo | 'do not trust upstream' | 04:38 |
| janimo | actually one lesson :) | 04:38 |
| nomed | he was upset becouse of xarchiver is not in xubuntu yet | 04:39 |
| nomed | eheh yep | 04:39 |
| janimo | he was upset? | 04:39 |
| janimo | well xarchiver is in ubuntu when it's in main | 04:39 |
| janimo | which may be tdoay or next week depending on when colin has time to put it in | 04:39 |
| janimo | but him being upset? | 04:39 |
| janimo | how about making the thing work first? :) | 04:40 |
| janimo | is that the original dev (colossus) or the new one (stefan)? | 04:40 |
| janimo | I assume colossus. | 04:40 |
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| janimo | if so he should just release with a stable gui and cmd line options | 04:40 |
| janimo | then wonder about how to optimize for archibves with 250K files in them which only exist in benchmarks | 04:41 |
| nomed | janimo: colossus | 04:41 |
| janimo | is he not the main dev now? | 04:41 |
| nomed | that's exclty what i told him | 04:41 |
| nomed | he "is" | 04:41 |
| janimo | it would have been better if he developed alone and released 0.4 in time imho | 04:42 |
| janimo | it looked like it was right on track | 04:42 |
| nomed | yes | 04:43 |
| nomed | i dunno why he forgot he was the devel :) | 04:43 |
| nomed | and the other guy should just help him ... | 04:43 |
| janimo | probbaly has no time | 04:45 |
| janimo | which is understandable | 04:45 |
| janimo | but anyweay if someone wants to make our release, he needs to take freeze dates into account | 04:46 |
| janimo | at least a bit | 04:46 |
| janimo | it's ready when it's ready is a nice quote but won't help in our case | 04:46 |
| nomed | janimo: i guess the devels have some script to add that to emails :) | 04:47 |
| janimo | :) | 04:48 |
| nomed | could we consider the meeting over ? | 04:49 |
| luzi | i was going to ask about the translation of the desktop guide | 04:49 |
| luzi | i feel it's not quite ready yet. | 04:49 |
| janimo | yes I thin kit can be over antie now | 04:50 |
| janimo | anytime | 04:50 |
| janimo | luzi, ah yes | 04:50 |
| janimo | there are no parts which are ready at all? | 04:50 |
| janimo | chapters which are more or less like in ubuntu desktop guide | 04:51 |
| luzi | the 'guided tour' is nearing completion, the other ones not quite yet. | 04:51 |
| janimo | where I assume translations could be copied too ;) | 04:51 |
| janimo | luzi, ok whenever you're reday | 04:51 |
| luzi | what is the latest it should be ready? | 04:51 |
| janimo | we don;t have a date since we did not have a strict schedule as ubuntu | 04:52 |
| janimo | so all I can say ASAP :) | 04:52 |
| luzi | ok :) | 04:52 |
| janimo | but considering that the guide is smaller than ubuntu's | 04:52 |
| janimo | and parts can be taken from there by translators do not stay up at night or something | 04:52 |
| janimo | only if you like that :) | 04:52 |
| janimo | but whenever you feel some parts are ready ping xubuntu and the doc list so people can start on it | 04:53 |
| luzi | i like to work at night, actually :o) | 04:53 |
| luzi | ok, i'll do that. | 04:53 |
| janimo | I expect the guide can be translated on a new language in 2 days by a person no? | 04:53 |
| luzi | yeah, i think so. | 04:53 |
| janimo | s/on/in/ | 04:53 |
| janimo | so there is time actually | 04:53 |
| janimo | but the sooner it;'s done the sooner users read it and give feedback | 04:54 |
| janimo | should I upload the guide as is now? | 04:54 |
| janimo | whenever you think there' new upload worthy material ping me | 04:54 |
| janimo | either mail or the list | 04:54 |
| luzi | ok, i think we'll wait another week or so. | 04:55 |
| luzi | janimo, what are we going to do about the 'help' buttons in the gui parts of xubuntu-system-tools? | 04:55 |
| janimo | luzi, good question | 04:55 |
| luzi | it would be great to have it open the guide in a browser | 04:56 |
| janimo | I though about hiding them | 04:56 |
| janimo | would that be bad? | 04:56 |
| nomed | janimo: exo-open like ? | 04:56 |
| janimo | if not whip up a smal dialog | 04:56 |
| nomed | if there is html doc i think it could shows up that .. | 04:56 |
| nomed | no ? | 04:56 |
| janimo | we cannot depend on yelp, and the docs are not plain html | 04:56 |
| nomed | ohhh | 04:56 |
| janimo | I think it is yelp markup | 04:56 |
| janimo | html would be nice | 04:56 |
| nomed | janimo: that's strange | 04:57 |
| nomed | as all the xfce help stuff is in html | 04:57 |
| janimo | first I'd like to see xubuntu-system tool sin main though | 04:57 |
| nomed | ahh wait | 04:57 |
| janimo | got to find a clean way to make multi builds from the g-s-t package | 04:57 |
| nomed | xubuntu-system-tool is in yelp markup ? | 04:57 |
| janimo | well gnome-system-tools docs are | 04:58 |
| janimo | end in .xml anyway | 04:58 |
| nomed | janimo: i guess it could be considered somehow esential | 04:58 |
| janimo | /usr/share/gnome/help/network-admin/es/network-admin.xml | 04:58 |
| janimo | the help? | 04:58 |
| nomed | ubiquity suggests that | 04:58 |
| nomed | no xubuntu-system-tools | 04:58 |
| janimo | well sure it;'s essential | 04:58 |
| janimo | but not because of ubi since it only recommends it | 04:59 |
| janimo | but so that people can config the network interface without the ocmmand line | 04:59 |
| janimo | mostly, there are other nice tools | 04:59 |
| janimo | so if we have them in and no help I am still happy | 04:59 |
| nomed | that's sure | 05:00 |
| luzi | i think we should a) have it open the correct section of the xubuntu desktop guide in a browser b) if not possible , hide buttons | 05:00 |
| nomed | or even hide it if yelp is not installed (b.a ) :) | 05:01 |
| janimo | Gloubiboulga: care to answer to the kb layout mail? | 05:02 |
| janimo | by JMak | 05:02 |
| Gloubiboulga | janimo, ok | 05:02 |
| janimo | ok , once we have those tools on the CD I'll do a) or b) | 05:02 |
| luzi | great | 05:02 |
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| Lure | @schedule Ljubljana | 09:21 |
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