[01:10] <freeflying-ibook> @schedule Shanghai
[01:10] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Asia/Shanghai: 26 Apr 20:00: Edubuntu | 26 Apr 21:30: Xubuntu | 28 Apr 04:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 28 Apr 06:00: Kubuntu | 03 May 20:00: Edubuntu | 04 May 10:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[11:48] <freeflying> @schedule Shanghai
[11:48] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Asia/Shanghai: 26 Apr 20:00: Edubuntu | 26 Apr 21:30: Xubuntu | 28 Apr 04:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 28 Apr 06:00: Kubuntu | 03 May 20:00: Edubuntu | 04 May 10:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[12:11] <cbx33> @schedule London
[12:11] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/London: 26 Apr 13:00: Edubuntu | 26 Apr 14:30: Xubuntu | 27 Apr 21:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 27 Apr 23:00: Kubuntu | 03 May 13:00: Edubuntu | 04 May 03:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[01:54] <jelkner> Is the meeting over?
[01:56] <ogra> jelkner, which TZ are you in ? 
[01:56] <ogra> @schedule EST
[01:56] <Ubugtu> Schedule for EST: Current meeting: Edubuntu | 26 Apr 08:30: Xubuntu | 27 Apr 15:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 27 Apr 17:00: Kubuntu | 03 May 07:00: Edubuntu | 03 May 21:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[01:58] <JaneW> 3 mins
[02:01] <JaneW> ok let hit it
[02:02] <JaneW> hi everyone
[02:02] <blugtu> hi jane
[02:02] <jelkner> hi jane
[02:02] <JaneW> 5 weeks to Dapper release
[02:02] <jelkner> class starts for me in 15 minutes
[02:02] <sivang> hey JaneW 
[02:02] <JaneW> hi sivang 
[02:02] <JaneW> edubuntu is in pretty good shape
[02:03] <highvoltage> edubuntu is great!
[02:03] <jelkner> edubuntu is fantastic!
[02:03] <JaneW> thanks to ogra for that
[02:03] <jelkner> thanks, ogra!
[02:03] <cbx33> edubuntu rawks :D
[02:03] <JaneW> thanks ogra
[02:03] <cbx33> thank you ogra 
[02:03] <ogra> stop now, i'm blushing :)
[02:03] <jelkner> i have a quick question...
[02:03] <ogra> shoot
[02:03] <JaneW> we have it on the top of https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuMeetingRecords too
[02:04] <jelkner> ogra: can you please tell me again how to chroot when you dist-upgrade to dapper?
[02:04] <ogra> JaneW, we need a dynamic agenda
[02:04] <JaneW> ogra: agreed
[02:04] <jelkner> or rather rebuilt the ltsp-chroot
[02:04] <cbx33> I think it is becomming increasingly necessary
[02:04] <ogra> jelkner, can we do that outside of the meeting ? 
[02:04] <highvoltage> jelkner: that's a question for #edubuntu :)
[02:04] <jelkner> yes
[02:04] <JaneW> esp with the edbuntu membership
[02:04] <ogra> yep
[02:05] <ogra> so from the tech side :
[02:05] <ogra> not miuch to say, i'm merely busy with ubuntu bugs 
[02:05] <ogra> we decided to have an update for the beta CD, so beta2 might be released tomorrow
[02:05] <JaneW> ogra: there a load of them though like 10k or such like...
[02:05] <ogra> (i'm testing isos as i speak)
[02:05] <cbx33> nice, 
[02:06] <cbx33> I know ther are loads of bugs, I'm trying to help out where I can
[02:06] <ogra> JaneW, yes, but that also includes whishlist and trivial bugs
[02:06] <cbx33> but not so many specific edubuntu bugs
[02:06] <cbx33> hehe
[02:06] <ogra> the serious amount is way lower (but still to high)
[02:06] <JaneW> ogra: oic, does it look like serious bugs are manageable?
[02:06] <ogra> nope
[02:06] <highvoltage> nope!?
[02:06] <JaneW> even with the new bug guy?
[02:06] <ogra> but we have simon now to care for our QA
[02:07] <ogra> he will kick our butts if we dont get them solved in time ;)
[02:07] <sivang> hey highvoltage :)
[02:07] <JaneW> ok, and I meant QA guy not bug guy
[02:07] <cbx33> oh dear
[02:07] <highvoltage> ogra: do we have a list of the most critical bugs in edubuntu?
[02:07] <highvoltage> hi sivang 
[02:07] <JaneW> although it's much of a muchness ;)
[02:07] <ogra> he will also assign edubuntu specific bugs to the new edubuntu bugsquad in launchpad instead of assigning them to me personally
[02:07] <JaneW> highvoltage: I think that should read most critical bugs for edubuntu?
[02:08] <ogra> so if you want to help bug triaging, subscribe to it 
[02:08] <JaneW> since we don't seem to have many IN edubuntu - right ogra?
[02:08] <JaneW> ogra: that's a good idea
[02:08] <highvoltage> JaneW: right
[02:08] <ogra> https://launchpad.net/people/edubuntu-bugs/+join
[02:08] <JaneW> ogra: will anyone else help with those yet, or is that for future expansion?
[02:09] <ogra> JaneW, there isnt even a single bug assigned to that team yet
[02:09] <highvoltage> blugtu and i wanted to get testing more formalised, we've been meaning to talk to ogra about that for the longest time
[02:09] <ogra> and the overall count of edubuntu bugs is ~100
[02:09] <ogra> err
[02:09] <highvoltage> but schedule clashes have made that difficult
[02:09] <ogra> ~10
[02:09] <sivang> highvoltage: there a rough ubuntu test plans on the wiki, I reckon you could derive upon them and add the additional edubuntu / ltsp bits.
[02:09] <highvoltage> testing and bug hunting / fixing probably goes hand in hand
[02:09] <blugtu> yeah ,we need to create a first structure for the testing team
[02:09] <cbx33> indeed
[02:10] <highvoltage> sivang: noted
[02:10] <JaneW> sivang: yes, but I think we have a very basic test plan...
[02:10] <ogra> highvoltage, blugtu, cbx33 helped a lot with testing the beta isos ... he can give some hints ;)
[02:10] <ogra> JaneW, we only have a copied version of the ubuntu testplan
[02:10] <cbx33> anything I can do guys
[02:10] <sivang> highvoltage: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing
[02:10] <ogra> 90% of that stuff doesnt need testing in edubuntu
[02:11] <ogra> we need to test other bits ...
[02:11] <cbx33> I'm often testing on non-compliant hardware or older hardware
[02:11] <JaneW> ogra: right ok we should get that customised then
[02:11] <sivang> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Long
[02:11] <ogra> since if the things work in ubuntu and we didnt modify anything, they *must* work in edubuntu as well
[02:11] <JaneW> cbx33: would you like to do that?
[02:11] <cbx33> sure
[02:11] <ogra> in any case we rather need our owm testplans worked out ...
[02:11] <cbx33> I'll give it a shot
[02:12] <cbx33> indeed as you stated ogra most of the ubutnu stuff is tested else where
[02:12] <JaneW> ogra: did you respond to the mail about our CD cover copy? is that signed off now>
[02:12] <JaneW> ?
[02:12] <blugtu> sivang: if you want to take a look to edubuntu testing team wiki , here it is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuTestingTeam
[02:12] <ogra> since it makes most sense to test the edubuntu specifics beyond the ubuntu install we test anyway
[02:12] <JaneW> cbx33: excellent, thanks
[02:12] <cbx33> totally agree
[02:12] <cbx33> infact most of what I have been testing is non-ubu stuff anyway
[02:12] <JaneW> we actaully need to go through the whole edubuntu wiki and do a springclean and update
[02:12] <ogra> yes
[02:12] <cbx33> because that's what I'm eventually oing to use it for
[02:12] <cbx33> JaneW: agreeed
[02:13] <ogra> we should do that around release or shortly before
[02:13] <JaneW> to make sure the info is valid, current and well presented
[02:13] <cbx33> make sure we get it all done in time
[02:13] <sivang> ogra: agreed, however if someone edubuntu tests those bits, he can feed bugreports upstream to ubutnu as well :) (regardless of his edubuntu specific bits) Bt I agree this may be out of scope for edu ;-)
[02:13] <ogra> (what doesnt mean we shouldnt start already indeed ;) )
[02:13] <sivang> blugtu: looking
[02:13] <cbx33> ogra: :p
[02:13] <blugtu> sivang:   ;)
[02:13] <JaneW> yes, and if you find any of my typos please correct them!
[02:13] <ogra> sivang, yes, but i'm not intrested in reports about that, since we'll solve them in ubuntu anyway 
[02:13] <JaneW> we had one of my typos mentioned in a review last time :/
[02:14] <cbx33> JaneW: oh dear
[02:14] <cbx33> :p
[02:14] <sivang> ogra: sure :)
[02:14] <cbx33> they're so unforgiving 
[02:14] <ogra> if your thin client bootsplash is wrong, thats something that intrests me, if openoffice is broken, i'm sure it will get solved in ubuntu anyway
[02:14] <cbx33> :p
[02:15] <ogra> ok, so apart from that and still missing artwork/doc stuff edubuntu is fine
[02:15] <JaneW> ogra: you feeling onfident we are on track and have enough testing so far that we won't have major surprises in the next 5 weeks?
[02:15] <cbx33> it makes perfect sense that way seeing as there are many more people to fix ubu spefiic bugs
[02:15] <ogra> i have another topic, not tech related
[02:15] <ogra> JaneW, yep
[02:15] <JaneW> cool
[02:15] <JaneW> ok the tech side is good, well done again!
[02:16] <JaneW> ogra: you havent seen my whip for a while now :)
[02:16] <ogra> i was approached independently by several people asking if we could rotate the meeting time 
[02:16] <JaneW> ogra: next?
[02:16] <cbx33> I can see why ogra 
[02:16] <cbx33> I'm lucky my boss actually wants me to attend these meetings
[02:16] <JaneW> I am not commiting to another 4am meeting :(
[02:17] <JaneW> ok who is this time really BAD for?
[02:17] <blugtu> for me its ok
[02:17] <cbx33> ogra: will the introduction of the CC ease this issue?
[02:17] <blugtu> but wednesday its not a good day
[02:17] <cbx33> having more people available to chair the meeting?
[02:17] <ogra> we said as long as nobody complains we want to stick to that time, but now with edubuntu membership and with community demand, i guess we should have at least two times to jump between
[02:17] <highvoltage> JaneW: i would like a meeting that takes place out of office hours, so that i can attend it 100%
[02:17] <JaneW> we have other meetings on Tues and Thurs
[02:17] <highvoltage> JaneW: just as a question of preference
[02:18] <JaneW> perhaps if we have 2 diff times which alternate each week, then at worst ppl attend every second meeting?
[02:18] <ogra> thats my plan
[02:18] <cbx33> sounds good
[02:18] <highvoltage> btw, http://distrowatch.com/index.php?dataspan=1
[02:18] <JaneW> are we sticking to wednesday?
[02:18] <highvoltage> edubuntu #24 for last 7 days :)
[02:18] <JaneW> WOW!!!
[02:19] <ogra> so move the current one a bit earlier and have an alternate time for the evening
[02:19] <highvoltage> JaneW: seems so
[02:19] <JaneW> when Dapper releases we are going to storm the charts :))
[02:19] <ogra> highvoltage, that will drop to nowhere with the new artwork :P
[02:19] <JaneW> ok 10:00 UTC or earlier?
[02:19] <JaneW> ogra: :((((
[02:19] <JaneW> yes we need to discuss that
[02:19] <ogra> 10:00 UTC sounds fine 
[02:19] <cbx33> earlier I'd like
[02:20] <cbx33> ah ok :p
[02:20] <JaneW> cbx33: what TZ are you?
[02:20] <JaneW> oh UK
[02:20] <cbx33> GMT
[02:20] <cbx33> :p
[02:20] <blugtu> for me its not good
[02:20] <blugtu> 10 utc
[02:20] <ogra> what about 18:00 UTC for the other, is that to late for you JaneW ?
[02:20] <JaneW> you get up early?
[02:20] <blugtu> so early
[02:20] <cbx33> but it's ok
[02:20] <highvoltage> ogra: we'll make lots of noise about that, I promise. that's bound to peak some interest in edubuntu though ;)
[02:20] <ogra> highvoltage, hopefully
[02:20] <blugtu> ogra: 18 utc is perfect
[02:20] <cbx33> that'd be great
[02:21] <JaneW> ogra: too late for work day, and too early for night meeting I have to spend 5-8pm (my time with family and kids - sorry)
[02:21] <cbx33> ok
[02:21] <cbx33> make it 22
[02:21] <highvoltage> 18:00 utc is great for me too (but for the same reason it's bad for janew :/ )
[02:21] <ogra> isnt 18:00 UTC 8pm for you ?
[02:21] <cbx33> listen forget me...I can work around it
[02:21] <JaneW> 20:00 UTC works for me
[02:21] <cbx33> 20:00 is great for me
[02:21] <blugtu> ogra: yes
[02:21] <highvoltage> yeah, i think we can discuss this some other time in #edubuntu.
[02:21] <highvoltage> wednesdays 12:00 is working Ok.
[02:22] <cbx33> yes brilliantly
[02:22] <JaneW> ogra: I can't really commit before 19:00
[02:22] <ogra> UTC ?
[02:22] <freeflying> 20:00 UTC is too early for asian
[02:22] <JaneW> ok let's debate this on the mailing list of #edubuntu then?
[02:22] <cbx33> make it the late one then
[02:22] <ogra> yep
[02:22] <blugtu> JaneW: OK
[02:23] <ogra> but it seems we have a tendency for 10:00 UTC and 20:00 UTC, right ? 
[02:23] <JaneW> I am UTC +2
[02:23] <JaneW> ogra: yes that would work for me
[02:23] <ogra> yep, as i am
[02:23] <blugtu> 20 utc is good
[02:23] <JaneW> on a wednesday?
[02:23] <ogra> ok, lets take these for the proposal and see what feedback we get
[02:23] <ogra> yep
[02:23] <ogra> lets keep the day
[02:23] <JaneW> ogra: er that will suck on the day we have the 4am the next morning, but we'll cope :)
[02:24] <ogra> i usually dont sleep before the 4am meeting, so i'm fine 
[02:24] <JaneW> yikes
[02:24] <cbx33> heheh
[02:24] <ogra> the question is if you can sort it
[02:24] <cbx33> oh dear ogra 
[02:24] <JaneW> let's try that
[02:24] <JaneW> so what time next week?
[02:24] <sivang> blugtu: according to what ogra said, why do yo have there a section about "Installation" ? this is already getting tested part of ubuntu no?
[02:24] <JaneW> 10:00?
[02:25] <ogra> JaneW, next week == first meeting in the month 
[02:25] <cbx33> sivang: no
[02:25] <JaneW> ogra: yes
[02:25] <cbx33> ther eare extra bits in the edubuntu installation
[02:25] <sivang> cbx33: ah I see, ltsp related?
[02:25] <cbx33> yes
[02:25] <ogra> we should take care for a third ECC member today as well
[02:25] <JaneW> ogra: anything else?
[02:25] <ogra> yes, see above
[02:26] <blugtu> sivang: yep but we will see for details during a testing meeting
[02:26] <JaneW> take care?
[02:26] <ogra> vote, elect
[02:26] <Riddell> ECC?
[02:26] <JaneW> we'll discuss the ECC election next week no?
[02:26] <ogra> or do we want to sort that on the first ECC ?
[02:26] <sivang> ECC?
[02:26] <ogra> Riddell, edubuntu CC
[02:26] <freeflying> Riddell: we'd have KCC :)
[02:26] <ogra> Riddell, like the KCC ;)
[02:26] <JaneW> ogra: do we need to discuss the process or what?
[02:27] <ogra> JaneW, i guess we need to *define* a process first 
[02:27] <JaneW> ogra: ahh
[02:27] <JaneW> ogra: mailing list discussion?
[02:27] <ogra> yep
[02:27] <cbx33> self nomination, seconded, vote, elect ?
[02:27] <JaneW> or here and now?
[02:27] <JaneW> cbx33: yep sounds good
[02:27] <ogra> sounds very good
[02:27] <cbx33> :)
[02:27] <blugtu> i quote cbx33
[02:27] <JaneW> ogar: think we must follow CC processes as far as possible
[02:28] <JaneW> ogar! lol
[02:28] <cbx33> heheh
[02:28] <ogra> JaneW, not for the ECC itself
[02:28] <ogra> but for the member approval
[02:28] <JaneW> ogra: yes that's what I meant
[02:29] <sivang> ogra: special TB/CC per each derivative? :)
[02:29] <JaneW> ok the new WEB SITE, highvoltage any news on that?
[02:29] <JaneW> ogra: thanks
[02:30] <highvoltage> JaneW: been talking to Znarl in PM... he's on it
[02:30] <JaneW> highvoltage: excellent, got an ETA yet?
[02:30] <highvoltage> JaneW: i'll ask him quickly
[02:30] <JaneW> highvoltage: we can let it slip in unnoticed
[02:31] <highvoltage> JaneW: what do you mean?
[02:31] <highvoltage> oh, right
[02:31] <cbx33> hehe :p
[02:32] <highvoltage> JaneW: i've been in contact with znarl over the weekend and monday, yesterday, and today, so it's unlikely to just slip by unnoticed.
[02:32] <JaneW> can=can't sorry
[02:32] <JaneW> highvoltage: cool ok thanks
[02:32] <JaneW> can't wait
[02:32] <JaneW> :))
[02:32] <cbx33> w00t
[02:32] <highvoltage> pips1 and i will still make lots of changes to it in the future
[02:32] <JaneW> we are still waiting for final dapper artwork
[02:32] <ogra> if you want to apply for membership, please add yourself at the bottom of https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuMeetingAgenda
[02:33] <cbx33> cya highvoltage 
[02:33] <JaneW> I think it's being kept largely under wraps till closer to the release
[02:33] <JaneW> bye highvoltage 
[02:33] <cbx33> JaneW: any news on the artwork theme yet?
[02:33] <blugtu> cya highvoltage
[02:33] <JaneW> but it looks like our default theme is going to be the chalkboard one
[02:33] <JaneW> which is dark green
[02:33] <ogra> which i strongly oppose
[02:34] <highvoltage> JaneW: i haven't seen it yet, but if ogra's unhappy with it, then so am i!
[02:34] <JaneW> we are still free to provide nice alternatives for the 'Young' theme
[02:34] <ogra> yes, i didnt recieve any wallpaper yet
[02:34] <cbx33> JaneW: but not the default?
[02:34] <JaneW> cbx33: right
[02:34] <ogra> but changing to chalkboard will mean to redo *all* themes
[02:34] <ogra> else the colors bite
[02:35] <cbx33> it is a real shame that this is being forced upon us
[02:35] <JaneW> I don't HATE the chalkboard one, but I definitely don't love it, and I don;t think it does anything to help build our brand
[02:35] <ogra> yes
[02:35] <cbx33> any chance of a petition?
[02:35] <JaneW> we can try that yes
[02:35] <cbx33> or an appeal
[02:35] <ogra> cbx33, JaneW and i did what we could 
[02:35] <cbx33> I understand
[02:35] <cbx33> Wish I could jump on the band wagon too
[02:35] <JaneW> ogra and I are powerless alone, but if we have community support that may carry more weight
[02:35] <ogra> so its up to the community i guess
[02:36] <ogra> which we are not allowed to show the theme 
[02:36] <JaneW> ogra: are we def not allowed to show it?
[02:36] <JaneW> I am not clear about that...
[02:36] <cbx33> what is the issue here?
[02:37] <ogra> no idea, but its not much different from https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDapperTheme/JonathanCarter/chalk
[02:37] <JaneW> ogra: hehe clever
[02:37] <ogra> its a little brighter and has more chalk leftovers on it ... 
[02:37] <blugtu> i have to go Bye all see you later in #edubuntu
[02:37] <JaneW> and some smudging...
[02:38] <JaneW> bye
[02:38] <cbx33> bye Bluekuja 
[02:38] <blugtu> cya
[02:38] <blugtu> ;)
[02:38] <ogra> ciao Bluekuja 
[02:38] <blugtu> lol ciao oliver
[02:38] <cbx33> ogra: it just seems very old fashioned
[02:38] <JaneW> so like I said before if you have anything better SEND it to us
[02:38] <ogra> yes
[02:38] <ogra> yeah
[02:38] <cbx33> what about swapping it for an interactive whiteboard :p
[02:38] <JaneW> we can;t complain unless we have alternatives
[02:38] <cbx33> hehe
[02:38] <cbx33> I can do what I can
[02:39] <cbx33> my wife is a website designer, I can get her to give it a shot if you want
[02:39] <cbx33> she's pretty good with that kind of thing
[02:39] <JaneW> cbx33: yes please!
[02:39] <ogra> we wanted to stay with the current bright and colorful theme, but were told by our coo that it isnt recognized as edubuntu branding yet
[02:39] <cbx33> oh it will be
[02:39] <cbx33> if it's the last thing I do :p
[02:39] <ogra> (which we both disagree about)
[02:39] <cbx33> It;s a gear theme
[02:40] <cbx33> *great
[02:40] <JaneW> cbx33: see this http://art.ubuntu.com/backgrounds/edubuntu/
[02:40] <cbx33> and brands it well
[02:40] <cbx33> JaneW: do you have any tips/guidence on what we like/don;t like
[02:40] <cbx33> a design brief I suppose I could pass on to her
[02:40] <JaneW> we like edubuntu girl but were hoping for more diversity, since that was an issue last time, so were looking at something like
[02:41] <cbx33> ok
[02:41] <JaneW> http://art.ubuntu.com/images/backgrounds/Edubuntu-Children_Of_Edubuntu_1024x768.png
[02:41] <ogra> the goal was to appear more grown up than in last release
[02:41] <JaneW> perhaps a bit subtler though
[02:41] <cbx33> I see what you mean
[02:41] <cbx33> it's nice, but it looses the brainding i feel
[02:41] <ogra> we wanted a more neutral wallpaper, but still bright and friendly
[02:41] <cbx33> ogra: totally agree with you there
[02:41] <JaneW> ogra: for the default yes, but we still want a fun and naive young option
[02:42] <cbx33> i think quite a clean background with a definite theme would be nice
[02:42] <JaneW> edubuntu girls with her new diverse friends?
[02:42] <ogra> yes, the young one can look like edubuntu girl or the children of edubuntu
[02:42] <cbx33> hehehe
[02:42] <cbx33> I'll get her started tonight, she'll do her best I know it
[02:43] <ogra> :)
[02:43] <JaneW> ogra use this http://art.ubuntu.com/images/backgrounds/abstract.jpg
[02:44] <ogra> JaneW, we had that already :) 
[02:44] <ogra> was the very first wallpaper i packaged :)
[02:44] <cbx33> heheh
[02:44] <JaneW> yes but it wasn't released
[02:44] <cbx33> any more thoughts on artwork?
[02:44] <JaneW> and we replaced it with the fun young one
[02:44] <ogra> it was pre mustard :)
[02:44] <JaneW> :P
[02:44] <cbx33> pre-mustard hahaha
[02:45] <JaneW> cbx33: ogra lves mustard
[02:45] <ogra> i dont even eat mustard :)
[02:45] <ogra> but i like the color :)
[02:45] <ogra> lol
[02:46] <cbx33> and mustard coloured leather pants :p
[02:46] <JaneW> euw
[02:46] <ogra> nah ...
[02:47] <cbx33> maybe we culd use a picture of hip hop ogra in his mustard attire for the background
[02:47] <ogra> they are black i wouldnt wear colored leather
[02:47] <ogra> haha
[02:47] <Mithrandir> we could just color rotate the image and they'd be mustard.
[02:47] <cbx33> right, next?
[02:48] <ogra> Mithrandir, heh ... "different kinds of mustard" :)
[02:49] <JaneW> ok the dreaded cookbook
[02:49] <JaneW> looks like there had been some action this week
[02:49] <ogra> is anyone of the cookbook team here ? 
[02:49] <ogra> spacey and pygi are missing
[02:50] <cbx33> I think I'm a n00bie member
[02:51] <ogra> HedgeMage is working hard on it it seems
[02:51] <ogra> she asked for screenshots last night
[02:51] <ogra> but she can only attend the evening meetings
[02:52] <JaneW> nice
[02:52] <JaneW> ok, we'll carry that discussion over
[02:52] <JaneW> but there's deifinately action on it now
[02:52] <ogra> an i guess she'd also go for membership
[02:52] <JaneW> :)
[02:52] <JaneW> good
[02:52] <JaneW> ok anything else to discuss?
[02:53] <ogra> (i hope we'll get actually some candidates for next meeting)
[02:53] <cbx33> for the meeting?
[02:53] <ogra> yay !
[02:54] <ogra> ok, then i'd say meeting adjourned :)
[02:54] <ogra> thanks all
[02:54] <cbx33> ooh
[02:54] <cbx33> hang on
[02:54] <ogra> shoot
[02:54] <cbx33> I just wanted to mention
[02:54] <cbx33> I've started a team
[02:54] <cbx33> https://launchpad.net/people/edubuntu-school-support
[02:55] <ogra> yes
[02:55] <cbx33> to try to provide some support material for schools
[02:55] <ogra> you should announce it on the mailing list 
[02:55] <ogra> with a little description and advertisement :)
[02:55] <cbx33> I will do later, wated to get some opinions on it first :p
[02:56] <ogra> its a great idea :)
[02:56] <JaneW> cbx33: excellent idea!
[02:56] <JaneW> I am sure jelkner will be interested
[02:56] <cbx33> good
[02:56] <JaneW> please post on the m/l...
[02:56] <JaneW> should help to get things ging again
[02:56] <cbx33> well that's all I had to say I think
[02:56] <cbx33> apart from
[02:56] <JaneW> thanks
[02:57] <ogra> highvoltage will be intrested as well :)
[02:57] <JaneW> so long
[02:57] <cbx33> if anyone has any general dogsbody things that need doing
[02:57] <JaneW> and thanks for all the quiche
[02:57] <ogra> :)
[02:57] <JaneW> cbx33: I'll keep that in mind :)
[02:57] <cbx33> I'm ya man :p
[02:57] <JaneW> write specs for SoC!
[02:57] <cbx33> hehehe
[02:57] <cbx33> I'll get the missus working tonight
[02:57] <sfllaw> ogra: I won't kick you.  Violence solves nothing.
[02:57] <cbx33> ok
[02:57] <sfllaw> ogra: Guilt however, I use like a surgeon.
[02:58] <ogra> sfllaw, you wont move my fat ass without kicking ;)
[02:58] <JaneW> sfllaw: he likes a good whipping
[02:58] <Mithrandir> yeah, it's just enjoyment for him.
[02:58] <JaneW> pref with some alcohol
[02:58] <JaneW> and a smoke
[02:58] <ogra> but to be honest, the edubuntu bugcount is marginal 
[02:58] <Mithrandir> JaneW: in the wounds?
[02:58] <cbx33> heheh
[02:58] <JaneW> Mithrandir: yeah
[02:58] <ogra> eek
[02:59] <sfllaw> JaneW: Lady, I like your style!
[02:59] <cbx33> hehehe
[02:59] <JaneW> *bow*
[02:59] <ogra> sfllaw, you wont have to kick much :) i think edubuntu has around 10 open bugs 
[02:59] <ogra> ok, can we close ? 
[02:59] <cbx33> yes
[02:59] <JaneW> yes adjourned
[02:59] <JaneW> early for once :))
[03:00] <JaneW> back to #edubuntu
[03:00] <cbx33> back to #edubuntu
[03:00] <ogra> perfect
[03:00] <cbx33> heheh
[03:00] <cbx33> jinx
[03:00] <JaneW> snap
[03:00] <ogra> exactly 60mins
[03:34] <GNAM> .
[03:36] <Gloubiboulga> hi !
[03:37] <freeflying> Gloubiboulga: hi, congrats
[03:37] <Gloubiboulga> hi freeflying, thanks !
[03:38] <janimo> hi all
[03:38] <janimo> congrats to Gauvain!
[03:38] <Gloubiboulga> thanks janimo !
[03:38] <Gloubiboulga> Just did my first upload
[03:39] <janimo> great!
[03:39] <freeflying> Gloubiboulga: nice :)
[03:39] <Gloubiboulga> janimo, sorry, not a Xubuntu one ;)
[03:39] <janimo> yeah, but there is time for those too )
[03:39] <janimo> :)
[03:40] <Gloubiboulga> yes :)
[03:40] <freeflying> janimo: dose the space of xubuntu enough now?
[03:40] <janimo> freeflying: enough for what?
[03:40] <janimo> we have a lot of free space still
[03:40] <freeflying> janimo: some scim's module 
[03:40] <janimo> for language support?
[03:40] <janimo> sure
[03:40] <janimo> just say which packages
[03:41] <freeflying> great
[03:41] <freeflying> scim-pinyin scin-anthy scim-hangul scim-chewing
[03:41] <janimo> you can post to the list if you wish with the packages and a brief description of why it's needed if not obvious
[03:41] <janimo> ok, are these on ubuntu/kubuntu already?
[03:41] <freeflying> no , due to the space issue
[03:42] <janimo> is it ok if they go to ship and not installed by default?
[03:42] <nomed> hi all
[03:42] <janimo> I'd like to keep desktop default install small if possible
[03:42] <janimo> hi nomed
[03:42] <Gloubiboulga> hi here nomed 
[03:42] <freeflying> janimo: if these can be installed defaultly ,CJK users can use it directly
[03:43] <janimo> ok
[03:44] <freeflying> janimo:  great!
[03:44] <janimo> freeflying: so right now by default CJK users cannot type in native language on ubuntu/kubuntu becaus ethese ar enot on the CD?
[03:44] <janimo> I see there are two chinese one korean and one japanese right? the four packages you mentioned
[03:44] <freeflying> janimo: ya, guys need download the language support packages
[03:45] <janimo> freeflying: oh, so what is the improvement in dapper regarding asian languages?
[03:45] <janimo> working just not fitting on CD? did they not even work ok so far?
[03:45] <freeflying> janimo: guys needn't configure anymore
[03:45] <janimo> oh, you needed to tweak X/fontconfig and such?
[03:45] <freeflying> if they choose download language suppot package , everything is okey
[03:46] <freeflying> janimo: needn't 
[03:46] <janimo> besides these which are input methods, is there anything missing right now from xubuntu default?
[03:46] <janimo> fonts?
[03:46] <freeflying> the are in desktop seeds
[03:47] <janimo> ok I'll add these 4 packages to xubuntu-desktop, seems to be 4Mb total
[03:47] <freeflying> janimo: if you have enough space , include language-pack-gnome-CJK would be better  :)
[03:48] <janimo> freeflying: there's no other reason for them not being on the ubuntu CD right?
[03:48] <janimo> like quality issues ?
[03:48] <freeflying> janimo: no others
[03:48] <janimo> I guess not if they're in main
[03:48] <freeflying> no
[03:48] <janimo> freeflying: language-pack gnome ?
[03:48] <janimo> that's mostly for gnome apps right?
[03:48] <janimo> granted abiword is in there too and gaim
[03:49] <freeflying> janimo: then what for xfce4's i18n ?
[03:49] <janimo> freeflying: those are small enough (a few 100Kb per language) that are put directly in the base langpacks
[03:49] <janimo> no more than 300K/lang
[03:50] <freeflying> janimo: then language-support-CJk
[03:50] <janimo> so if CHK have translated xfce they're in :)
[03:50] <janimo> freeflying: sure
[03:50] <janimo> till now I did not put in anything besides what's in ubuntu
[03:50] <janimo> to keep the CD easily downloadable
[03:50] <freeflying> janimo: with these , CJK user needn't download exrta package 
[03:50] <janimo> but I'll add many langpacks
[03:50] <freeflying> that's great
[03:50] <janimo> the top 10 languages' lang support seem to total 120-130 Mb 
[03:51] <janimo> that fits I think even with OOo on the CD
[03:51] <freeflying> janimo: CJK is in top 10?
[03:51] <janimo> well mandarin sure is :)
[03:51] <janimo> top 1 I think :)
[03:51] <janimo> but yes I fon;t recall the ubutu classification
[03:51] <janimo> let me check
[03:52] <freeflying> janimo: xubuntu has abiword ,why include OOo
[03:52] <janimo> http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/seeds/xubuntu-dapper/ship
[03:52] <janimo> freeflying: OOo is not installed just on the CD. since it fits
[03:53] <janimo> I got the impression from a bengali translator that, besides OOo no free office is usable in indian langauges
[03:53] <janimo> is that not the same for CJK?
[03:53] <freeflying> janimo: as to me , xubuntu shall use light program like goffice instead of OOo
[03:54] <janimo> freeflying: I agree that it's lighter and that's the default
[03:54] <janimo> but does abiword support CJK/indic languages?
[03:54] <freeflying> janimo: not too well
[03:54] <janimo> so what do chinese users who prefer not to write in English do? :)
[03:55] <janimo> they need OOo I guess
[03:55] <freeflying> abiword can write in CJK
[03:55] <freeflying> but not so fine as OOo dose
[03:55] <janimo> most popular languages according to ubuntu classification: zh es bn hi ar xh pt ru ja de fr
[03:55] <janimo> so chinese support will be on CD definitely
[03:55] <freeflying> nice :)
[03:56] <janimo> ok what do we have on our agenda today?
[03:56] <janimo> not on the wiki of course since that's empty :)
[03:57] <nomed> http://xoomer.virgilio.it/bat/xubuntu/xfce-setting-show.png <--
[03:57] <Gloubiboulga> nothing for me...
[03:57] <janimo> nomed :)
[03:57] <nomed> janimo: we'll need an xubuntu-icons-theme within artwork
[03:57] <nomed> for sure
[03:57] <janimo> what theme does tha tuse?
[03:58] <nomed> there will be really few but needed anyway
[03:58] <janimo> are those new icons made for xubuntu?
[03:58] <nomed> yes
[03:58] <janimo> can they be part of tango itself?
[03:58] <nomed> not all of them but some
[03:58] <nomed> no
[03:58] <janimo> what is the reason for not?
[03:58] <nomed> the xubuntu specific ones no
[03:58] <nomed> just generic icons
[03:59] <janimo> there is a sound icon in tango already and does not look like that (whistle)
[03:59] <nomed> but i have still to talk to dobay about this
[03:59] <janimo> what is the situation in current mcs-manager?
[03:59] <nomed> dobey even
[03:59] <janimo> where does it fallback to?
[03:59] <nomed> orrible
[03:59] <ogra> did you guys see that you are at place 4 on distrowatch ?
[03:59] <ogra> http://distrowatch.com/index.php?dataspan=1
[03:59] <janimo> yes, but more techinaclly? :)
[03:59] <freeflying> janimo: dose xubntu has a network-con tool 
[03:59] <nomed> i'll write a mail to xfce-devel
[03:59] <ogra> (for the 7 day stats)
[03:59] <janimo> ogra, yeah somewhat under our expectations ;)
[03:59] <Gloubiboulga> ogra, yep :)
[04:00] <ogra> janimo, well, its hard to beat ubuntu :)
[04:00] <janimo> nomed, writing to xfce devel would be really great
[04:00] <janimo> ogra, ;)
[04:00] <nomed> janimo: tecnically xfce-mcs-setting is the devil
[04:00] <janimo> but really I think xubuntu is overhyped :)
[04:01] <nomed> it can use icons that don't exist
[04:01] <nomed> :)
[04:01] <ogra> janimo, it has buntu in its name, thats ebnough for a hype :)
[04:01] <janimo> nomed, if upstrem could fix that code to use saner icon names which can be found in tango/icon-spec we'd be further ahead
[04:01] <janimo> I'd prefer that instead of changing tango to some other theme at this point
[04:01] <janimo> and possibly incur other breakage
[04:02] <janimo> or even have poeple not like it
[04:02] <janimo> ogra, and an X. Never underestimate the power of the letter X in marketing
[04:02] <nomed> janimo: you do not need to change tango
[04:02] <janimo> most of the reason why XMl is popular IMHO
[04:02] <ogra> hehe
[04:02] <janimo> nomed, so tango will be the fallbak?
[04:02] <nomed> they need to fix that issue
[04:03] <janimo> look in xubuntu first then fallback to tango?
[04:03] <nomed> janimo: back to the beginning :)
[04:03] <janimo> if so does that not mean less performance?
[04:03] <nomed> xubuntu icons theme in xubuntu-artwork :)
[04:03] <nomed> fallback --> tango
[04:03] <nomed> anyway the dialog icons issue is still there
[04:03] <nomed> as those icons are hardcoded
[04:04] <janimo> nomed, ok please write to xfce-devel about this
[04:04] <nomed> the only solution at the moment is to patch source 
[04:04] <janimo> I suppose they'd like to fix that too
[04:04] <janimo> as they seem to use tango
[04:04] <nomed> me too
[04:04] <janimo> indeed the mcs manager is out of sync with the rest if I think about it
[04:04] <nomed> i'll continue a thread that  got 43 answers :)
[04:04] <janimo> ok :)
[04:04] <nomed> it was at a good point :)
[04:04] <janimo> they seemed positive generally right?
[04:04] <nomed> absolutely yes
[04:05] <janimo> I am looking at desktop icons in the meantime
[04:05] <janimo> launchers and removable media
[04:05] <janimo> nomed, ok thanks.let's see what they say and then go on.
[04:05] <nomed> i would see even hd .. not removable ..
[04:06] <janimo> nomed, I mean behaviour
[04:06] <janimo> they do not automatically show up and things like that
[04:06] <nomed> uhhh ..
[04:06] <nomed> k
[04:06] <janimo> in the meantime talk to dobey if it's possible to get some of these into tango itslef
[04:06] <nomed> janimo: i'm sure there is a bug on that code
[04:06] <janimo> makes our job easier long term
[04:06] <janimo> nomed, yes there is
[04:06] <nomed> janimo: yes it's possible
[04:06] <janimo> but brian/benny don't havetoo much time to debug
[04:06] <nomed> i have already the legacy xml file
[04:07] <janimo> especially sine it seems to work for them
[04:07] <nomed> ao it may depend on dbus
[04:07] <nomed> s/ao/so
[04:08] <nomed> ahh and tango upstreamer will include that patch as soon as i send it to him
[04:08] <nomed> i'm just waiting a steady state :)
[04:08] <janimo> great :)
[04:08] <janimo> than daniel will upload it to ubuntu and we're better 
[04:09] <nomed> i think then some artist should play with xubuntu images 
[04:09] <nomed> they need to be all fixed
[04:10] <janimo> which images?
[04:10] <janimo> current artwork?
[04:10] <nomed> wallpaper, usplash, logo and so on
[04:10] <janimo> hmm do you not like jmak's work?
[04:10] <nomed> they 're done but they've even small issues
[04:11] <janimo> he is the single artist so far who actively participated
[04:11] <janimo> since the beginning
[04:11] <nomed> janimo: the usplash could be strongly improved
[04:11] <janimo> nomed I agree but usplash looks ugly because of small res no?
[04:11] <nomed> not really
[04:11] <janimo> although ubuntu usplash is nicer 
[04:11] <nomed> it's while the artist convert the image to an idexed one
[04:12] <nomed> it's possible to get a really better resolution
[04:12] <janimo> aha
[04:12] <nomed> i've seen images on 16c that were the same as the original one
[04:12] <janimo> we may need to tell jmak how to actually test the usplash so he sees the result himself
[04:12] <nomed> that depends on how the artist can use gimp inkscape and such apps
[04:13] <luzi> the problem with usplash is not resolution, it's the 16 colors!
[04:13] <nomed> luzi yes
[04:13] <nomed> but ex
[04:13] <nomed> the usplash i checked had a color map with a lot of red and pink
[04:13] <nomed> and i don't see red or pink in xubuntu usplash
[04:14] <nomed> that means the palette could be optimized
[04:14] <nomed> and consequentely the image resolution
[04:14] <nomed> if you have 16 c ..
[04:14] <nomed> but you use just 4 c from that palette ...
[04:15] <janimo> nomed, please talk to jozsef or luzi about this and see if you can sort it out
[04:15] <janimo> and when you're all satisfied I'll upload :)
[04:15] <nomed> janimo: i wrote a mail 
[04:15] <janimo> ok
[04:16] <nomed> but i need they contact me or just replay :)
[04:16] <nomed> luzi if you're fine with it we can talk a bit at #xubuntu later
[04:16] <luzi> ok
[04:17] <nomed> luzi there is a small issue on the official xubuntu logo 
[04:17] <nomed> have u seen it ..
[04:17] <nomed> ?
[04:17] <luzi> what issue?
[04:18] <nomed> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperXubuntuLogo
[04:18] <nomed> take a look on the left part of that circle :)
[04:18] <nomed> maybe it's me ... 
[04:18] <mjg59> It looks like the "head" is offset from the "body"
[04:19] <luzi> ok, i see it now!
[04:19] <luzi> i'll fix it.
[04:19] <nomed> then i was thinking that as xfdesktop supports color background
[04:19] <janimo> anything else?
[04:19] <nomed> the wallpaper could just be a trasparent layer ..
[04:20] <nomed> luzi what do u think ?
[04:20] <nomed> (as the smoke one )
[04:20] <janimo> Gloubiboulga: any plans regarding xfce uploads this week?
[04:20] <nomed> if i' not wrong
[04:20] <janimo> xfburn. thunar plugins?
[04:21] <nomed> janimo: there is a new version of verve panel plugin
[04:21] <janimo> nomed, I know
[04:21] <sladen> nomed: you get 14 colours, which is good enough for a gradient (hence the kubuntu one is shades of blue and the ubuntu one is shades of brown/gold)
[04:21] <nomed> but checking it i do not see any reason to upload it
[04:21] <Gloubiboulga> janimo, xfburn is still broken, and I have no answer on Xfce bugzilla
[04:21] <janimo> I kind of expect upstream to aply the xfrun dbus patch already so verve makes more sense
[04:21] <janimo> Gloubiboulga: did you file abug on xfburn?
[04:21] <nomed> ahh ok
[04:21] <Gloubiboulga> janimo, yes
[04:21] <janimo> in what way is broken? I used it to burn some isos this week
[04:21] <janimo> better than graveman which crashes
[04:22] <Gloubiboulga> janimo, if it's build from SVN it's ok, buit if I use make dist or make distcheck it FTBFS
[04:22] <janimo> Gloubiboulga: oh I remember. autotools madness
[04:22] <Gloubiboulga> yep
[04:22] <nomed> sladen: i agree
[04:22] <Gloubiboulga> I'll try to have a look at this
[04:22] <highvoltage> ogra: are you saying that my old theme looks shitty?
[04:23] <Gloubiboulga> janimo, screenshooter and media-tag plugins are ready
[04:23] <ogra> highvoltage i'd never say that !
[04:23] <highvoltage> sorry, please ignore tha!!!
[04:23] <nomed> the xubuntu png should just use better the color map 
[04:23] <janimo> Gloubiboulga: does screenshooter work?
[04:24] <Gloubiboulga> janimo, yep, but there's an icon issue
[04:24] <janimo> I ddi not check the last release if they improved on what i ported
[04:24] <janimo> gnome-screenshot is used no?
[04:24] <Meyer_> todas
[04:24] <janimo> that is in most icon themes
[04:24] <Gloubiboulga> janimo, not in the Xfce one
[04:25] <Gloubiboulga> I had to install the gnome icons package to see the plugin in the panel
[04:25] <nomed> Gloubiboulga: there is gnome-screenshoter in Rdent
[04:25] <Gloubiboulga> nomed, hm... I didn't see it
[04:25] <janimo> I see s stock-screenshot
[04:25] <nomed> find /usr/share/icons/Rodent/ | grep shoot
[04:26] <nomed> applets-screenshooter.png sorry
[04:26] <nomed> Gloubiboulga: anyway we can add the icon you need i guess
[04:26] <nomed> with the name that 's on the desktop file
[04:26] <janimo> hmm I explicitely changed that tpo gnome-screenshot back then
[04:26] <janimo> I wonder why
[04:27] <janimo> we shoulduse whatever name is in tango for screenshot
[04:27] <janimo> that is: nothing
[04:27] <nomed> janimo: we can even use the name that is desktop file and add it to xubuntu icons theme
[04:27] <luzi> nomed: the logo issue is fixed.
[04:28] <nomed> so you do not need to add any patch
[04:28] <nomed> luzi thanks :)
[04:28] <luzi> nomed: oops, i just saw that the bar is not right yet...
[04:29] <Gloubiboulga> I'll check again
[04:29] <Gloubiboulga> nomed, right, seen it :)
[04:31] <janimo> Gloubiboulga: when they're ready put them online
[04:31] <janimo> so I can look at them, and then you can upload :)
[04:31] <Gloubiboulga> janimo, ok
[04:34] <Gloubiboulga> janimo, do you want a package for the thunar archive plugin too ?
[04:34] <janimo> sure
[04:34] <Gloubiboulga> ok
[04:34] <janimo> although we need to think where it would fit better
[04:34] <janimo> single package which depends on fle roller for now?
[04:35] <janimo> I guess since it does not work yet with xarchiver it cannot be part of thunar or xarchiver
[04:35] <Gloubiboulga> I don't see what else we could do for the moment
[04:35] <Gloubiboulga> yes
[04:35] <janimo> we could sync xarchive from debian as it has cmd line ooptoins and try that
[04:35] <janimo> anyway if xarchiver is bugged it'd be good to have that as a fallback in universe
[04:35] <Gloubiboulga> true
[04:36] <janimo> I'll file a sync requets (should have done it along with xarchiver)
[04:36] <janimo> arrrgh. two projects trying to make two similar gtk only archivers and none of them being done yet :(
[04:36] <janimo> so lets' at least have the thunar plugin in and test it with file roller
[04:37] <Gloubiboulga> ok
[04:37] <janimo> at least that works\
[04:37] <janimo> thanks\
[04:37] <nomed> janimo: the xarchiver devel contacted me few h ago
[04:37] <janimo> nomed, one good news and a bad news? or soemthing like that ;) ?
[04:38] <nomed> i was next to convince him to release something in the mean time ..
[04:38] <janimo> but then he said no ?
[04:38] <nomed> and he suddenly changed his mind 
[04:38] <janimo> well there are a few lessons learned for dapper+1 anyway
[04:38] <nomed> anyway ... exactly
[04:38] <janimo> not just the xarchiver one but some oethers too
[04:38] <janimo> 'do not trust upstream'
[04:38] <janimo> actually one lesson :)
[04:39] <nomed> he was upset becouse of xarchiver is not in xubuntu yet
[04:39] <nomed> eheh yep
[04:39] <janimo> he was upset?
[04:39] <janimo> well xarchiver is in ubuntu when it's in main
[04:39] <janimo> which may be tdoay or next week depending on when colin has time to put it in
[04:39] <janimo> but him being upset?
[04:40] <janimo> how about making the thing work first? :)
[04:40] <janimo> is that the original dev (colossus) or the new one (stefan)?
[04:40] <janimo> I assume colossus. 
[04:40] <janimo> if so he should just release with a stable gui and cmd line options
[04:41] <janimo> then wonder about how to optimize for archibves with 250K  files in them which only exist in benchmarks
[04:41] <nomed> janimo: colossus
[04:41] <janimo> is he not the main dev now?
[04:41] <nomed> that's exclty what i told him
[04:41] <nomed> he "is"
[04:42] <janimo> it would have been better if he developed alone and released 0.4 in time imho
[04:42] <janimo> it looked like it was right on track
[04:43] <nomed> yes
[04:43] <nomed> i dunno why he forgot he was the devel :)
[04:43] <nomed> and the other guy should just help him ...
[04:45] <janimo> probbaly has no time
[04:45] <janimo> which is understandable
[04:46] <janimo> but anyweay if someone wants to make our release, he needs to take freeze dates into account
[04:46] <janimo> at least a bit
[04:46] <janimo> it's ready when it's ready is a nice quote but won't help in our case
[04:47] <nomed> janimo: i guess the devels have some script to add that to emails :)
[04:48] <janimo> :)
[04:49] <nomed> could we consider the meeting over ?
[04:49] <luzi> i was going to ask about the translation of the desktop guide
[04:49] <luzi> i feel it's not quite ready yet.
[04:50] <janimo> yes I thin kit can be over antie now
[04:50] <janimo> anytime
[04:50] <janimo> luzi, ah yes
[04:50] <janimo> there are no parts which are ready at all?
[04:51] <janimo> chapters which are more or less like in ubuntu desktop guide
[04:51] <luzi> the 'guided tour' is nearing completion, the other ones not quite yet.
[04:51] <janimo> where I assume translations could be copied too ;)
[04:51] <janimo> luzi, ok whenever you're reday
[04:51] <luzi> what is the latest it should be ready?
[04:52] <janimo> we don;t have a date since we did not have a strict schedule as ubuntu
[04:52] <janimo> so all I can say ASAP :)
[04:52] <luzi> ok :)
[04:52] <janimo> but considering that the guide is smaller than ubuntu's
[04:52] <janimo> and parts can be taken from there by translators do not stay up at night or something
[04:52] <janimo> only if you like that :)
[04:53] <janimo> but whenever you feel some parts are ready ping xubuntu and the doc list so people can start on it
[04:53] <luzi> i like to work at night, actually :o)
[04:53] <luzi> ok, i'll do that.
[04:53] <janimo> I expect the guide can be translated on a new language in 2 days by a person no?
[04:53] <luzi> yeah, i think so.
[04:53] <janimo> s/on/in/
[04:53] <janimo> so there is time actually
[04:54] <janimo> but the sooner it;'s done the sooner users read it and give feedback
[04:54] <janimo> should I upload the guide as is now?
[04:54] <janimo> whenever you think there' new upload worthy material ping me
[04:54] <janimo> either mail or the list
[04:55] <luzi> ok, i think we'll wait another week or so.
[04:55] <luzi> janimo, what are we going to do about the 'help' buttons in the gui parts of xubuntu-system-tools?
[04:55] <janimo> luzi, good question
[04:56] <luzi> it would be great to have it open the guide in a browser
[04:56] <janimo> I though about hiding them
[04:56] <janimo> would that be bad?
[04:56] <nomed> janimo: exo-open like ?
[04:56] <janimo> if not whip up a smal dialog
[04:56] <nomed> if there is html doc i think it could shows up that ..
[04:56] <nomed> no ?
[04:56] <janimo> we cannot depend on yelp, and the docs  are not plain html
[04:56] <nomed> ohhh
[04:56] <janimo> I think it is yelp markup
[04:56] <janimo> html would be nice 
[04:57] <nomed> janimo: that's strange
[04:57] <nomed> as all the xfce help stuff is in html
[04:57] <janimo> first I'd like to see xubuntu-system tool sin main though
[04:57] <nomed> ahh wait
[04:57] <janimo> got to find a clean way to make multi builds from the g-s-t package
[04:57] <nomed> xubuntu-system-tool is in yelp markup ?
[04:58] <janimo> well gnome-system-tools docs are 
[04:58] <janimo> end in .xml anyway
[04:58] <nomed> janimo: i guess it could be considered somehow esential
[04:58] <janimo>  /usr/share/gnome/help/network-admin/es/network-admin.xml
[04:58] <janimo> the help?
[04:58] <nomed> ubiquity suggests that 
[04:58] <nomed> no xubuntu-system-tools
[04:58] <janimo> well sure it;'s essential
[04:59] <janimo> but not because of ubi since it only recommends it
[04:59] <janimo> but so that people can config the network interface without the ocmmand line 
[04:59] <janimo> mostly, there are other nice tools
[04:59] <janimo> so if we have them in and no help I am still happy
[05:00] <nomed> that's sure
[05:00] <luzi> i think we should a) have it open the correct section of the xubuntu desktop guide in a browser b) if not possible , hide buttons
[05:01] <nomed> or even hide it if yelp is not installed (b.a ) :)
[05:02] <janimo> Gloubiboulga: care to answer to the kb layout mail?
[05:02] <janimo> by JMak
[05:02] <Gloubiboulga> janimo, ok
[05:02] <janimo> ok , once we have those tools on the CD I'll do a) or b)
[05:02] <luzi> great
[09:17] <freeflying-ibook> @schedule Shanghai
[09:17] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Asia/Shanghai: 28 Apr 04:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 28 Apr 06:00: Kubuntu | 03 May 20:00: Edubuntu | 04 May 10:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 10 May 20:00: Edubuntu | 11 May 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[09:21] <Lure> @schedule Ljubljana
[09:21] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Ljubljana: 27 Apr 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 28 Apr 00:00: Kubuntu | 03 May 14:00: Edubuntu | 04 May 04:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 10 May 14:00: Edubuntu | 11 May 10:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[11:00] <raphink-pbook> hi there
[11:01] <raphink-pbook> Riddell: hello