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Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 26 Apr 13:30 UTC: Xubuntu | 27 Apr 20:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team | 27 Apr 22:00 UTC: Kubuntu | 03 May 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 04 May 02:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team === jelkner [n=jelkner@158.59.193.182] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [01:54] Is the meeting over? [01:56] jelkner, which TZ are you in ? [01:56] @schedule EST [01:56] Schedule for EST: Current meeting: Edubuntu | 26 Apr 08:30: Xubuntu | 27 Apr 15:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 27 Apr 17:00: Kubuntu | 03 May 07:00: Edubuntu | 03 May 21:00: Ubuntu Development Team === luzi [n=luzi@dhcp-202-69-vpn.unizh.ch] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === luzi is now known as luzi_away [01:58] 3 mins [02:01] ok let hit it [02:02] hi everyone [02:02] hi jane [02:02] hi jane [02:02] 5 weeks to Dapper release [02:02] class starts for me in 15 minutes [02:02] hey JaneW [02:02] hi sivang [02:02] edubuntu is in pretty good shape === highvoltage can't wait [02:03] edubuntu is great! [02:03] edubuntu is fantastic! === ogra just created https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuMeetingAgenda [02:03] thanks to ogra for that [02:03] thanks, ogra! [02:03] edubuntu rawks :D [02:03] thanks ogra [02:03] thank you ogra [02:03] stop now, i'm blushing :) [02:03] i have a quick question... [02:03] shoot [02:03] we have it on the top of https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuMeetingRecords too === cbx33 imagines ogra's handsome face blushing :p [02:04] ogra: can you please tell me again how to chroot when you dist-upgrade to dapper? [02:04] JaneW, we need a dynamic agenda [02:04] ogra: agreed [02:04] or rather rebuilt the ltsp-chroot [02:04] I think it is becomming increasingly necessary [02:04] jelkner, can we do that outside of the meeting ? [02:04] jelkner: that's a question for #edubuntu :) [02:04] yes [02:04] esp with the edbuntu membership [02:04] yep [02:05] so from the tech side : === highvoltage is interested to hear more about that [02:05] not miuch to say, i'm merely busy with ubuntu bugs [02:05] we decided to have an update for the beta CD, so beta2 might be released tomorrow [02:05] ogra: there a load of them though like 10k or such like... [02:05] (i'm testing isos as i speak) [02:05] nice, [02:06] I know ther are loads of bugs, I'm trying to help out where I can [02:06] JaneW, yes, but that also includes whishlist and trivial bugs [02:06] but not so many specific edubuntu bugs [02:06] hehe [02:06] the serious amount is way lower (but still to high) [02:06] ogra: oic, does it look like serious bugs are manageable? [02:06] nope [02:06] nope!? [02:06] even with the new bug guy? [02:06] but we have simon now to care for our QA [02:07] he will kick our butts if we dont get them solved in time ;) [02:07] hey highvoltage :) [02:07] ok, and I meant QA guy not bug guy [02:07] oh dear [02:07] ogra: do we have a list of the most critical bugs in edubuntu? [02:07] hi sivang [02:07] although it's much of a muchness ;) [02:07] he will also assign edubuntu specific bugs to the new edubuntu bugsquad in launchpad instead of assigning them to me personally [02:07] highvoltage: I think that should read most critical bugs for edubuntu? === No1Viking [n=Viking@h-83-140-104-3.ip.cust.port80.se] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [02:08] so if you want to help bug triaging, subscribe to it [02:08] since we don't seem to have many IN edubuntu - right ogra? [02:08] ogra: that's a good idea [02:08] JaneW: right [02:08] https://launchpad.net/people/edubuntu-bugs/+join [02:08] ogra: will anyone else help with those yet, or is that for future expansion? [02:09] JaneW, there isnt even a single bug assigned to that team yet [02:09] blugtu and i wanted to get testing more formalised, we've been meaning to talk to ogra about that for the longest time [02:09] and the overall count of edubuntu bugs is ~100 [02:09] err [02:09] but schedule clashes have made that difficult [02:09] ~10 [02:09] highvoltage: there a rough ubuntu test plans on the wiki, I reckon you could derive upon them and add the additional edubuntu / ltsp bits. [02:09] testing and bug hunting / fixing probably goes hand in hand [02:09] yeah ,we need to create a first structure for the testing team [02:09] indeed [02:10] sivang: noted [02:10] sivang: yes, but I think we have a very basic test plan... === JaneW looks [02:10] highvoltage, blugtu, cbx33 helped a lot with testing the beta isos ... he can give some hints ;) [02:10] JaneW, we only have a copied version of the ubuntu testplan [02:10] anything I can do guys [02:10] highvoltage: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing [02:10] 90% of that stuff doesnt need testing in edubuntu [02:11] we need to test other bits ... [02:11] I'm often testing on non-compliant hardware or older hardware [02:11] ogra: right ok we should get that customised then [02:11] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Long [02:11] since if the things work in ubuntu and we didnt modify anything, they *must* work in edubuntu as well [02:11] cbx33: would you like to do that? [02:11] sure [02:11] in any case we rather need our owm testplans worked out ... [02:11] I'll give it a shot [02:12] indeed as you stated ogra most of the ubutnu stuff is tested else where [02:12] ogra: did you respond to the mail about our CD cover copy? is that signed off now> [02:12] ? [02:12] sivang: if you want to take a look to edubuntu testing team wiki , here it is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuTestingTeam [02:12] since it makes most sense to test the edubuntu specifics beyond the ubuntu install we test anyway [02:12] cbx33: excellent, thanks [02:12] totally agree [02:12] infact most of what I have been testing is non-ubu stuff anyway [02:12] we actaully need to go through the whole edubuntu wiki and do a springclean and update [02:12] yes [02:12] because that's what I'm eventually oing to use it for [02:12] JaneW: agreeed [02:13] we should do that around release or shortly before [02:13] to make sure the info is valid, current and well presented [02:13] make sure we get it all done in time [02:13] ogra: agreed, however if someone edubuntu tests those bits, he can feed bugreports upstream to ubutnu as well :) (regardless of his edubuntu specific bits) Bt I agree this may be out of scope for edu ;-) [02:13] (what doesnt mean we shouldnt start already indeed ;) ) [02:13] blugtu: looking [02:13] ogra: :p [02:13] sivang: ;) [02:13] yes, and if you find any of my typos please correct them! [02:13] sivang, yes, but i'm not intrested in reports about that, since we'll solve them in ubuntu anyway [02:13] we had one of my typos mentioned in a review last time :/ [02:14] JaneW: oh dear [02:14] :p [02:14] ogra: sure :) [02:14] they're so unforgiving [02:14] if your thin client bootsplash is wrong, thats something that intrests me, if openoffice is broken, i'm sure it will get solved in ubuntu anyway === cbx33 bites his tongue [02:14] :p [02:15] ok, so apart from that and still missing artwork/doc stuff edubuntu is fine [02:15] ogra: you feeling onfident we are on track and have enough testing so far that we won't have major surprises in the next 5 weeks? [02:15] it makes perfect sense that way seeing as there are many more people to fix ubu spefiic bugs [02:15] i have another topic, not tech related [02:15] JaneW, yep [02:15] cool [02:15] ok the tech side is good, well done again! [02:16] ogra: you havent seen my whip for a while now :) [02:16] i was approached independently by several people asking if we could rotate the meeting time [02:16] ogra: next? [02:16] I can see why ogra [02:16] I'm lucky my boss actually wants me to attend these meetings [02:16] I am not commiting to another 4am meeting :( [02:17] ok who is this time really BAD for? [02:17] for me its ok [02:17] ogra: will the introduction of the CC ease this issue? [02:17] but wednesday its not a good day [02:17] having more people available to chair the meeting? [02:17] we said as long as nobody complains we want to stick to that time, but now with edubuntu membership and with community demand, i guess we should have at least two times to jump between [02:17] JaneW: i would like a meeting that takes place out of office hours, so that i can attend it 100% [02:17] we have other meetings on Tues and Thurs [02:17] JaneW: just as a question of preference [02:18] perhaps if we have 2 diff times which alternate each week, then at worst ppl attend every second meeting? [02:18] thats my plan [02:18] sounds good [02:18] btw, http://distrowatch.com/index.php?dataspan=1 [02:18] are we sticking to wednesday? [02:18] edubuntu #24 for last 7 days :) [02:18] WOW!!! [02:19] so move the current one a bit earlier and have an alternate time for the evening [02:19] JaneW: seems so [02:19] when Dapper releases we are going to storm the charts :)) [02:19] highvoltage, that will drop to nowhere with the new artwork :P [02:19] ok 10:00 UTC or earlier? [02:19] ogra: :(((( [02:19] yes we need to discuss that [02:19] 10:00 UTC sounds fine [02:19] earlier I'd like [02:20] ah ok :p [02:20] cbx33: what TZ are you? [02:20] oh UK [02:20] GMT [02:20] :p [02:20] for me its not good [02:20] 10 utc [02:20] what about 18:00 UTC for the other, is that to late for you JaneW ? [02:20] you get up early? [02:20] so early [02:20] but it's ok [02:20] ogra: we'll make lots of noise about that, I promise. that's bound to peak some interest in edubuntu though ;) [02:20] highvoltage, hopefully [02:20] ogra: 18 utc is perfect [02:20] that'd be great [02:21] ogra: too late for work day, and too early for night meeting I have to spend 5-8pm (my time with family and kids - sorry) [02:21] ok [02:21] make it 22 [02:21] 18:00 utc is great for me too (but for the same reason it's bad for janew :/ ) [02:21] isnt 18:00 UTC 8pm for you ? [02:21] listen forget me...I can work around it [02:21] 20:00 UTC works for me [02:21] 20:00 is great for me [02:21] ogra: yes [02:21] yeah, i think we can discuss this some other time in #edubuntu. [02:21] wednesdays 12:00 is working Ok. [02:22] yes brilliantly [02:22] ogra: I can't really commit before 19:00 [02:22] UTC ? [02:22] 20:00 UTC is too early for asian [02:22] ok let's debate this on the mailing list of #edubuntu then? [02:22] make it the late one then [02:22] yep [02:22] JaneW: OK [02:23] but it seems we have a tendency for 10:00 UTC and 20:00 UTC, right ? [02:23] I am UTC +2 [02:23] ogra: yes that would work for me [02:23] yep, as i am [02:23] 20 utc is good [02:23] on a wednesday? [02:23] ok, lets take these for the proposal and see what feedback we get [02:23] yep [02:23] lets keep the day [02:23] ogra: er that will suck on the day we have the 4am the next morning, but we'll cope :) [02:24] i usually dont sleep before the 4am meeting, so i'm fine [02:24] yikes [02:24] heheh [02:24] the question is if you can sort it [02:24] oh dear ogra [02:24] let's try that [02:24] so what time next week? [02:24] blugtu: according to what ogra said, why do yo have there a section about "Installation" ? this is already getting tested part of ubuntu no? [02:24] 10:00? [02:25] JaneW, next week == first meeting in the month [02:25] sivang: no [02:25] ogra: yes [02:25] ther eare extra bits in the edubuntu installation [02:25] cbx33: ah I see, ltsp related? [02:25] yes [02:25] we should take care for a third ECC member today as well [02:25] ogra: anything else? [02:25] yes, see above [02:26] sivang: yep but we will see for details during a testing meeting [02:26] take care? [02:26] vote, elect [02:26] ECC? [02:26] we'll discuss the ECC election next week no? [02:26] or do we want to sort that on the first ECC ? [02:26] ECC? [02:26] Riddell, edubuntu CC [02:26] Riddell: we'd have KCC :) [02:26] Riddell, like the KCC ;) [02:26] ogra: do we need to discuss the process or what? [02:27] JaneW, i guess we need to *define* a process first [02:27] ogra: ahh [02:27] ogra: mailing list discussion? [02:27] yep [02:27] self nomination, seconded, vote, elect ? [02:27] or here and now? [02:27] cbx33: yep sounds good [02:27] sounds very good [02:27] :) [02:27] i quote cbx33 [02:27] ogar: think we must follow CC processes as far as possible [02:28] ogar! lol [02:28] heheh [02:28] JaneW, not for the ECC itself [02:28] but for the member approval [02:28] ogra: yes that's what I meant [02:29] ogra: special TB/CC per each derivative? :) === ogra adds a membership candidates section to the new agenda page [02:29] ok the new WEB SITE, highvoltage any news on that? [02:29] ogra: thanks [02:30] JaneW: been talking to Znarl in PM... he's on it [02:30] highvoltage: excellent, got an ETA yet? [02:30] JaneW: i'll ask him quickly [02:30] highvoltage: we can let it slip in unnoticed === klaidas [n=klaidas@unaffiliated/klaidas] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [02:31] JaneW: what do you mean? [02:31] oh, right [02:31] hehe :p [02:32] JaneW: i've been in contact with znarl over the weekend and monday, yesterday, and today, so it's unlikely to just slip by unnoticed. [02:32] can=can't sorry [02:32] highvoltage: cool ok thanks [02:32] can't wait [02:32] :)) [02:32] w00t [02:32] pips1 and i will still make lots of changes to it in the future [02:32] we are still waiting for final dapper artwork [02:32] if you want to apply for membership, please add yourself at the bottom of https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuMeetingAgenda === highvoltage needs to run, wil try to pop in again before end of meeting [02:33] cya highvoltage [02:33] I think it's being kept largely under wraps till closer to the release [02:33] bye highvoltage [02:33] JaneW: any news on the artwork theme yet? [02:33] cya highvoltage [02:33] but it looks like our default theme is going to be the chalkboard one [02:33] which is dark green [02:33] which i strongly oppose === JaneW too for the record [02:34] JaneW: i haven't seen it yet, but if ogra's unhappy with it, then so am i! === cbx33 again [02:34] we are still free to provide nice alternatives for the 'Young' theme [02:34] yes, i didnt recieve any wallpaper yet [02:34] JaneW: but not the default? [02:34] cbx33: right [02:34] but changing to chalkboard will mean to redo *all* themes [02:34] else the colors bite [02:35] it is a real shame that this is being forced upon us [02:35] I don't HATE the chalkboard one, but I definitely don't love it, and I don;t think it does anything to help build our brand [02:35] yes [02:35] any chance of a petition? [02:35] we can try that yes [02:35] or an appeal [02:35] cbx33, JaneW and i did what we could [02:35] I understand [02:35] Wish I could jump on the band wagon too [02:35] ogra and I are powerless alone, but if we have community support that may carry more weight [02:35] so its up to the community i guess [02:36] which we are not allowed to show the theme [02:36] ogra: are we def not allowed to show it? [02:36] I am not clear about that... [02:36] what is the issue here? [02:37] no idea, but its not much different from https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDapperTheme/JonathanCarter/chalk [02:37] ogra: hehe clever [02:37] its a little brighter and has more chalk leftovers on it ... [02:37] i have to go Bye all see you later in #edubuntu [02:37] and some smudging... [02:38] bye [02:38] bye Bluekuja [02:38] cya [02:38] ;) [02:38] ciao Bluekuja [02:38] lol ciao oliver [02:38] ogra: it just seems very old fashioned [02:38] so like I said before if you have anything better SEND it to us [02:38] yes [02:38] yeah [02:38] what about swapping it for an interactive whiteboard :p [02:38] we can;t complain unless we have alternatives === klaidas [n=klaidas@unaffiliated/klaidas] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["=)"] [02:38] hehe [02:38] I can do what I can [02:39] my wife is a website designer, I can get her to give it a shot if you want [02:39] she's pretty good with that kind of thing [02:39] cbx33: yes please! [02:39] we wanted to stay with the current bright and colorful theme, but were told by our coo that it isnt recognized as edubuntu branding yet [02:39] oh it will be [02:39] if it's the last thing I do :p [02:39] (which we both disagree about) [02:39] It;s a gear theme [02:40] *great [02:40] cbx33: see this http://art.ubuntu.com/backgrounds/edubuntu/ [02:40] and brands it well [02:40] JaneW: do you have any tips/guidence on what we like/don;t like [02:40] a design brief I suppose I could pass on to her [02:40] we like edubuntu girl but were hoping for more diversity, since that was an issue last time, so were looking at something like [02:41] ok [02:41] http://art.ubuntu.com/images/backgrounds/Edubuntu-Children_Of_Edubuntu_1024x768.png [02:41] the goal was to appear more grown up than in last release [02:41] perhaps a bit subtler though [02:41] I see what you mean [02:41] it's nice, but it looses the brainding i feel [02:41] we wanted a more neutral wallpaper, but still bright and friendly [02:41] ogra: totally agree with you there [02:41] ogra: for the default yes, but we still want a fun and naive young option [02:42] i think quite a clean background with a definite theme would be nice [02:42] edubuntu girls with her new diverse friends? [02:42] yes, the young one can look like edubuntu girl or the children of edubuntu [02:42] hehehe [02:42] I'll get her started tonight, she'll do her best I know it [02:43] :) [02:43] ogra use this http://art.ubuntu.com/images/backgrounds/abstract.jpg === ubuntu_lt [n=Styx`@85.206.224.190] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [02:44] JaneW, we had that already :) [02:44] was the very first wallpaper i packaged :) [02:44] heheh [02:44] yes but it wasn't released [02:44] any more thoughts on artwork? [02:44] and we replaced it with the fun young one [02:44] it was pre mustard :) [02:44] :P [02:44] pre-mustard hahaha [02:45] cbx33: ogra lves mustard === cbx33 loves ketchup [02:45] i dont even eat mustard :) [02:45] but i like the color :) === cbx33 pictures handsome ogra in his mustard coloured shirt [02:45] lol [02:46] and mustard coloured leather pants :p [02:46] euw [02:46] nah ... [02:47] maybe we culd use a picture of hip hop ogra in his mustard attire for the background [02:47] they are black i wouldnt wear colored leather [02:47] haha [02:47] we could just color rotate the image and they'd be mustard. [02:47] right, next? [02:48] Mithrandir, heh ... "different kinds of mustard" :) [02:49] ok the dreaded cookbook [02:49] looks like there had been some action this week [02:49] is anyone of the cookbook team here ? [02:49] spacey and pygi are missing [02:50] I think I'm a n00bie member [02:51] HedgeMage is working hard on it it seems [02:51] she asked for screenshots last night [02:51] but she can only attend the evening meetings [02:52] nice [02:52] ok, we'll carry that discussion over [02:52] but there's deifinately action on it now [02:52] an i guess she'd also go for membership [02:52] :) [02:52] good [02:52] ok anything else to discuss? [02:53] (i hope we'll get actually some candidates for next meeting) [02:53] for the meeting? === cbx33 is a candidate :p [02:53] yay ! [02:54] ok, then i'd say meeting adjourned :) [02:54] thanks all [02:54] ooh [02:54] hang on [02:54] shoot [02:54] I just wanted to mention [02:54] I've started a team [02:54] https://launchpad.net/people/edubuntu-school-support [02:55]