[12:37] <zul> heylo
[12:52] <sivang> ls
[12:52] <sivang> oops
[12:52] <LaserJock> heh
[12:52] <LaserJock> you might want /names for here ;-)
[12:54] <jmg> what is required to be able to modify specs on launchpad?
[12:54] <jmg> Sorry, you don't have permission to access this page.
[01:03] <wasabi> Permission. ;)
[01:16] <sivang> anyone here that can upload a package?
[01:17] <sivang> (it's laready been approved by slomo__ and jpatrick)
[01:17] <sivang> I just want to upload an update
[01:18] <sivang> lifeless: ping ^^ ? :)
[01:24] <sivang> night all
[01:24] <crimsun> sivang: sure, url?
[01:28] <lifeless> sivang: sorry, right now am flat out
[01:28] <lifeless> sivang: and I'd have to review the whole thing, third party oks aren't sufficient to upload to a buildd
[02:56] <crimsun> hullo
[02:57] <crimsun> well. Apparently the mysterious queue ate my upload. /me sighs and uploads again
[02:57] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:57] <Hobbsee> death to all mysterious queues!
[03:13] <crimsun> ok, something is very, very broken, because it's simply dropping all my uploads.
[03:14] <LaserJock> bummer crimsun, soyuz hates you
[03:14] <crimsun> I guess so.
[03:15] <crimsun> LaserJock: mind uploading the fix for #40408, then?
[03:17] <LaserJock> crimsun: got a debdiff?
[03:17] <crimsun> LaserJock: http://www.sh.nu/~crimsun/flashplugin-nonfree/
[03:19] <FunnyLookinHat> Anyone here working on the network-manager-gnome package?
[03:20] <LaserJock> crimsun: do I need to do debuild -S -sa on that to get it signed?
[03:21] <crimsun> LaserJock: debsign it
[03:24] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:26] <LaserJock> crimsun: sure those are right? dput says the md5sums are right
[03:27] <LaserJock> s/right/wrong/
[03:27] <LaserJock> argg, whatever. It didn't work
[03:27] <crimsun> what the...
[03:29] <LaserJock> crimsun: yeah, a manual md5sum on the tarball is different then what is in your .dsc
[03:30] <crimsun> dput should have failed on my system, then.
[03:30] <crimsun> I just now used wget on a Debian system, and I get the same md5sum
[03:32] <LaserJock> oh crap, just a sec
[03:34] <LaserJock> crimsun: ok, I uploaded it
[03:34] <crimsun> thanks
[03:34] <LaserJock> crimsun: so how did you know that yours weren't going through?
[03:36] <crimsun> LaserJock: I rebuilt -ubuntu2 as -ubuntu1 and attempted to upload it. I should have gotten a REJECT, but I got nothing.
[03:36] <LaserJock> I just got an accepted email from Ubuntu Installer
[03:36] <crimsun> great
[03:37] <LaserJock> hmm, that is weird that your having problems
[03:37] <crimsun> bddebian: well, don't feel so bad. You may not be marked a Ubuntu member, but at least you can upload. :-p
[03:37] <LaserJock> lol
[03:37] <bddebian> crimsun: :-(  You can't upload?
[03:37] <bddebian> Man we are behind on vnc4
[03:37] <crimsun> LaserJock: this is not the first time. This is actually the fifth or sixth time the upload infrastructure has been broken for me.
[03:38] <LaserJock> bddebian: vnc4 needs major work :(
[03:38] <LaserJock> bddebian: I tried, but it was just too messy for me
[03:38] <bddebian> LaserJock: I know that's why I wondered if 4.1.1 from Debian would do any good
[03:39] <LaserJock> bddebian: perhaps, last I knew though the big problem is is it ships its own X source
[03:39] <crimsun> I _bet_ it's my key. Again. LP seems to have major issues with my GPG key.
[03:40] <lifeless> have you filed a bug?
[03:41] <crimsun> I filed one a while ago, it was marked fixed
[03:41] <crimsun> I can file another one...
[03:42] <LaserJock> the more the merrier
[03:42] <LaserJock> right bddebian?
[03:44] <TheMuso> c/
[03:47] <bddebian> LaserJock: Absolutely :-)
[05:10] <ajmitch> hm
[05:10] <ajmitch> Mem:      16621552     287288   16334264          0      63456     124072
[05:10] <ajmitch> -/+ buffers/cache:      99760   16521792
[05:14] <LaserJock> ajmitch: hmm
[05:15] <bddebian> WTF should I do about all these merges?  They'll require UVF exceptions right?
[05:15] <LaserJock> not if they are just new debian revisions, I don't think
[05:15] <bddebian> These aren't new revisions
[05:16] <ajmitch> most of them were filed months ago
[05:16] <ajmitch> there needs to be a good reason to ask UVF exceptions
[05:16] <ajmitch> more than just 'the bug is open'
[05:16] <LaserJock> yeah, I wouldn't worry about them unless they are bug fixes
[05:16] <bddebian> Sheesh
[05:19] <bddebian> tsk, tsk, crimsun was supposed to merge insight :-)
[05:19] <bddebian> Oh, scratch that, you reported it :-)
[05:29] <bddebian> Oh, it's ajmitch's fault pyx isn't gonna make it.. :-)
[05:29] <bddebian> Hehe, nice nick zerokarmaleft
[05:30] <zerokarmaleft> bddebian: thanks
[05:30] <ajmitch> describes me fairly well soon
[05:30] <jmg> hahhahaha
[05:33] <zerokarmaleft> it doesn't have anything to do with launchpad
[05:34] <zerokarmaleft> but it's not like my karma cup runneth over in that respect either
[05:39] <bddebian> ajmitch: Well get to work d00d :-)
[05:39] <bddebian> zerokarmaleft: Well it's funny in both contexts here :-)
[05:41] <ajmitch> bddebian: I would, but you're fixing all the bugs
[05:42] <bddebian> ajmitch: Sha, right.  I'm not even making a dent :-(
[05:45] <bddebian> There's still over 5,000 unconfirmed bugs alone :'-(
[06:01] <crimsun> hmph. gst now refuses to play certain media types.
[06:02] <LaserJock> like what?
[06:03] <crimsun> unencumbered m4as that I purchased from iTMS and ran through jHymn. They played fine just three hours ago.
[06:04] <bddebian> Ugh
[06:05] <ajmitch> how annoying
[06:07] <LaserJock> hmm, I'm trying to figure out how to use ssh keys today :)
[06:08] <bddebian> heh
[06:08] <bddebian> Man, this sucks
[06:08] <LaserJock> but bzr has a bug right now where you can't use password auth for sftp
[06:09] <bddebian> I think EVERYTHING has a bug at this point :'(
[06:09] <lifeless> bddebian: many bugs is normal. its less than one per package
[06:10] <crimsun> the good news is that it's not even one per package. the bad news is that some packages have a LOT of bugs. :)
[06:11] <LaserJock> bddebian: yeah in motuscience there are only something like 48 bugs for ~450 packages
[06:11] <bddebian> LaserJock: Yeah, why only 48? ;-P
[06:11] <LaserJock> cause somebody clean house
[06:11] <crimsun> hmm...could it be...bdd...
[06:12] <bddebian> lifeless: It's not fuss, I just wish I could do some more significant stuff I guess.  I don't really know what I'm looking for or what to focus on half the time.. :-(
[06:12] <bddebian> LaserJock: pfft
[06:12] <crimsun> dude, triaging and your efforts are hugely significant
[06:13] <lifeless> bddebian: well, there are two basic approaches, per-package, or time based triage
[06:13] <bddebian> lifeless: Time-based?
[06:14] <lifeless> I tend to do per - package. Like I'll pick a package and look at *every* bug in the package.
[06:14] <bddebian> lifeless: And I usually try to hit any/all bugs for a package I "fix" if I can
[06:14] <lifeless> bddebian: time based is when you do a custom search for bugs in all of ubuntu, for bugs that are 'unconfirmed' in oldest-first order
[06:14] <lifeless> time based is harder because there is less context between the bugs
[06:14] <bddebian> lifeless: Ah, well that's what I'm doing now :-)
[06:15] <bddebian> >5600 Unconfirmed bugs :-(
[06:16] <LaserJock> bddebian: just write some mass-confirm script ;-)
[06:19] <bddebian> Heh
[06:19] <LaserJock> akkk, my package doesn't build in dapper!
[06:21] <LaserJock> No such file or directorypy to ./ .../bin/sh: /usr/share/dpatch/dpatch-run
[06:21] <bddebian> w00t
[06:22] <bddebian> There wasn't an /usr/X11R6/ symlink in Breezy was there?
[06:26] <ajmitch> it would have been a directory then
[06:27] <LaserJock> dang it, all of a sudden pbuilder doesn't like my dpatch rules or something
[06:28] <bddebian> ajmitch: X11R6 existed in Breezy?  Are you sure?
[06:29] <ajmitch> I may be wrong - it exists in my chroot but with very few files in it
[06:29] <ajmitch> which would indicate that it was meant to be removed then
[06:29] <bddebian> Well I know there is /usr/X11R6/lib which is symlinked but I thought everything else was gone
[06:30] <bddebian> Does anyone have an /etc/alternatives/mozilla?  I don't
[06:30] <crimsun> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 24 2005-10-25 14:03 /etc/alternatives/mozilla -> /usr/bin/mozilla-firefox
[06:31] <bddebian> Weird, I wonder why I don't have one
[06:32] <bddebian> Oh, I do, I can't type
[06:36] <pschulz01_> I'm looking the a SVG Perl package... similar to 'libgd-gd2-perl'. I can do 'dh-make-perl --cpan GD::SVG' which almost works.. but no package is produced. (I'm using dapper).
[06:48] <crimsun> oh ho, I see the gst issue.
[06:49] <crimsun> gst, due to alsa dmix, will not play 48kHz files without a rate parameter, which requires a hand-modified ~/.asoundrc . I 'converted' the file to ogg vorbis, and I received the same gst error.
[06:49] <bddebian> w00t
[06:50] <crimsun> duh, I should have noticed that, being involved with audio and all...
[06:50] <crimsun> ...except this is an alsa-lib issue, not gst. Blarg.
[06:51] <bddebian> You can't know everything
[06:51] <bddebian> You could be like me and not know anything ;-P
[06:53] <crimsun> well, no, I _should_ know that. I first diagnosed this precise problem half a year ago.
[06:54] <crimsun> I just didn't pay any attention to the original files' sampling rates.
[07:03] <bddebian> Shit, 1am, I gotta get to bed.  Gnight folks.
[07:16] <zakame> hi all
[08:14] <crimsun> any MOTUs alive?
[08:17] <jmg> crimsun: are you an alsa expert?
[08:18] <crimsun> jmg: expert? I don't know if anyone besides Takashi or Jaroslav can be an expert
[08:18] <jmg> crimsun: okay... let me rephrase..
[08:18] <jmg> expert on alsa and ubuntu perhaps?
[08:19] <crimsun> perhaps, what's up?
[08:19] <jmg> well, i have an ice1712
[08:19] <jmg> Hoontech DSP24 Value
[08:19] <jmg> the volume slider doesnt affect the volume
[08:20] <crimsun> mm, you need the envy*control
[08:20] <jmg> ice1712 driver is not very good i know that
[08:20] <jmg> crimsun: tried it... didnt help
[08:21] <jmg> envy24control
[08:21] <crimsun> even the one from alsa-utils_1.0.11?
[08:21] <jmg> hmm
[08:21] <jmg> I can go and give it a go
[08:21] <jmg> again
[08:21] <jmg> just a sec
[08:25] <jmg> ok
[08:28] <jmg> rhythmbox wont play at all
[08:28] <crimsun> ok, is any sound audible?
[08:28] <jmg> yeah, the ubuntu chime at start
[08:29] <crimsun> and nothing afterward?
[08:29] <jmg> beep can play
[08:29] <jmg> but not rhythmbox
[08:29] <crimsun> is beep configured to use oss, esd, or alsa?
[08:29] <jmg> also no control in envy24control has any affect
[08:29] <jmg> currently configured for oss, but alsa works
[08:30] <jmg> alsa only works with default pcm device
[08:31] <crimsun> ok. do you have multiple cards?
[08:31] <crimsun> s/cards/sound devices/
[08:31] <jmg> i have an onboard ac97 thats disabled in bios
[08:32] <jmg> so it doesnt get discover1ed
[08:32] <jmg> alsa is listing 3 devices
[08:32] <jmg> ice1712 multi and 2 ice1712 consumer devices
[08:33] <jmg> well not devices, i forget what the alsa term is... slots? or maybe the other way round
[08:33] <crimsun> err, well, what does /proc/asound/cards list?
[08:33] <jmg> 0 [DSP24          ] : ICE1712 - Hoontech SoundTrack Audio DSP24
[08:33] <jmg>                      Hoontech SoundTrack Audio DSP24 at 0xec00, irq 185
[08:34] <jmg> that's all
[08:34] <ajmitch> yay, done with work for the day
[08:34] <ajmitch> now for my other job..
[08:35] <pschulz01_> Greetings.. is there a 'single signon' system for a ubuntu network? Does edubuntu support this?
[08:35] <crimsun> jmg: ok, does ``amixer'' give you an error?
[08:36] <jmg> crimsun: Nope, but it gives more options than you can shake a stick at
[08:36] <crimsun> jmg: ok, so you've never used System> Preferences> Sound> Default sound card  (or asoundconf set [..] )
[08:37] <crimsun> jmg: please pastebin the output from amixer
[08:38] <jmg> crimsun: Stand by :)
[08:38] <jmg> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12913
[08:42] <crimsun> jmg: ok, is sound currently audible?
[08:42] <jmg> yes but as i said volume sliders et al have no effect
[08:43] <ajmitch> [    2.725265]  Brought up 32 CPUs
[08:43] <ajmitch> [    2.725434]  Total of 32 processors activated (64001.81 BogoMIPS).
[08:43] <ajmitch> excellent...
[08:43] <crimsun> ajmitch: nice
[08:43] <jmg> ajmitch: :D
[08:43] <jmg> what is that? superdome?
[08:43] <ajmitch> niagara
[08:43] <jmg> niiiiiiiiice
[08:43] <crimsun> jmg: so adjusting 'PCM' (after unmuting it) has no effect?
[08:43] <jmg> got one of the test systems?
[08:44] <ajmitch> 4 of them, bought
[08:44] <ajmitch> 16GB RAM each
[08:44] <jmg> did you use a t1 before that?
[08:44] <jmg> wow
[08:44] <ajmitch> nope
[08:44] <jmg> my puny sgi 1100 with 4gb ram doesnt seem so cool now :(
[08:44] <ajmitch> heh
[08:45] <jmg> crimsun: sliders in volume control?
[08:45] <jmg> neither master nor pcm does anything
[08:45] <crimsun> jmg: using amixer or alsamixer, actually.
[08:45] <jmg> i went through every slider in alsamixer and none of them did anything
[08:45] <ajmitch> jmg: this thing is great for throughput, crap for any floating point code or stuff that's not heavily threaded
[08:45] <jmg> it might be a routing thing?
[08:46] <jmg> ajmitch: i know, i wanted to get one and run 64 tremor encoders on it
[08:46] <crimsun> jmg: could be, can't investigate atm (heading to bed soon)
[08:46] <jmg> ajmitch: and then go and stream an orchestra
[08:47] <ajmitch> heh
[08:47] <jmg> or the UN or similar event that could do with having boatloads of channels
[08:47] <ajmitch> server room is nice & loud now
[08:47] <jmg> are the niagras really loud?
[08:48] <jmg> i thought they were supposed to be lo power consumption?
[08:48] <ajmitch> they are, but they still have a reasonable noise level, and with 4 of them going..
[08:48] <jmg> heh
[08:48] <jmg> "low" is probably still what, 600watt?
[08:49] <ajmitch> the cases mainly have fans at the front which create most of the noise
[08:49] <ajmitch> CPU is meant to be around ~75W
[08:49] <jmg> thats just cpu though
[08:49] <ajmitch> each box we have has 2 2.5" drives
[08:49] <jmg> aww
[08:50] <jmg> cute :)
[08:50] <ajmitch> my home pc probably has more power consumption
[08:50] <jmg> heh
[08:50] <ajmitch> (dual-core, 5 drives)
[08:53] <jmg> hardcore.
[08:54] <ajmitch> nice, I see davem has a "Suuuuuuper Seeeeekret Tree." implementing some of van jacobson's stuff that he talked about at LCA
[08:54] <Gloubiboulga> morning Universe
[08:54] <jmg> haha
[08:54] <jmg> Seeeeeeeeeeekret
[08:54] <ajmitch> it was one of the only talks to get a standing ovation I think
[08:55] <jmg> A modest proposal to help speed up & scale up the linux networking stack?
[08:55] <ajmitch> yes
[08:55] <ajmitch> modest indeed
[08:56] <ajmitch> it'd provide vast improvements on multi-core hardware
[08:56] <jmg> pity my boss didnt let me go to lca
[08:56] <ajmitch> quite a shame, it was very good this year
[08:56] <jmg> especially when im in auckland
[08:56] <ajmitch> it helped that I live 10 minutes walk away
[08:56] <jmg> hah
[09:28] <jmg> uhh
[09:28] <jmg> did revu just go down?
[09:29] <ajmitch> why do you say that?
[09:29] <ajmitch> it appears to be working
[10:02] <sivang> crimsun: still up for my package review and refresh upload?
[10:02] <ajmitch> hm
[10:03] <ajmitch> sivang: probably the wrong time of day to ask
[10:03] <sivang> ajmitch: ah, okay, what about you? :)
[10:03] <sivang> (It's already been uploaded and approved by jpatrick / slomo)
[10:04] <sivang> ajmitch: k, np, thanks anyway.
[10:04] <ajmitch> seeing how long this box takes a build a kernel :)
[10:07] <sivang> hmm, that's rather boring, isn't it? :)
[10:07] <ajmitch> nice, about 8 minutes for a standard build
[10:08] <slomo> sivang: is it that urgent? ;) just wait until it's out of NEW... and then get the new version uploaded
[10:09] <ajmitch> hi slomo
[10:09] <sivang> slomo: what difference will it be then then now? oh, and hi btw :-)
[10:10] <slomo> sivang: the uploader would have something to diff against... now he would need to review to complete package again (in theory)
[10:11] <sivang> slomo: ah, okay then.
[10:12] <ajmitch> amazing how many posts on the local LUG list are about ubuntu at the moment :)
[10:12] <ajmitch> including a few trying xubuntu on older hardware
[10:14] <ajmitch> crap, no j2re or j2se for this platform
[10:20] <dholbach> heya motu world!
[10:20] <sivang> mornign dholbach
[10:20] <dholbach> hey sivang
[10:21] <ajmitch> hey dholbach
[10:21] <ajmitch> how are you?
[10:22] <dholbach> hey ajmitch, fine - thanks
[10:22] <ajmitch> great :)
[10:22] <dholbach> just got a nice croissant with nougat and chocolate from the bakery and a coffee
[10:22] <dholbach> yummy
[10:22] <dholbach> how are you?
[10:22] <ajmitch> I'm good thanks
[10:23] <cbx33> 4 hours?
[10:23] <ajmitch> yeah
[10:23] <ajmitch> slow cd
[10:23] <cbx33> how so?
[10:23] <cbx33> ahh
[10:24] <ajmitch> and very slow console for installer
[10:24] <ajmitch> 9600 baud, I think
[10:24] <cbx33> crikey
[10:24] <ajmitch> it's odd considering what the rest of the machine is like :)
[10:24] <cbx33> i use VM ware now for most of my install testing
[10:24] <cbx33> :)
[10:24] <ajmitch> no way you could simulate this in vmware
[10:24] <cbx33> heheh
[10:25] <ajmitch> sun T2000
[10:25] <cbx33> well not all of us are as hardcore as you ajmitch :p
[10:25] <ajmitch> no need to be sarcastic
[10:25] <cbx33> i work in a school
[10:26] <cbx33> hehehe
[10:26] <cbx33> sorry ajmitch, wasn't trying to be sarvastic :p
[10:28] <freeflying> how shall I change the source of pbuilder ?
[10:31] <kelmo_lap> hi siretart
[10:31] <siretart> hey kelmo_lap
[10:32] <kelmo_lap> siretart, can i ask for some assistance please? to clean up and tag/discuss some wpasup bugs
[10:32] <kelmo_lap> i have little good experience with the BTS . . .
[10:32] <ajmitch> hi siretart, how are you?
[10:33] <siretart> hey ajmitch - I'm fine, and you?
[10:33] <siretart> kelmo_lap: sure. what is it?
[10:33] <kelmo_lap> ok, lets see if the bug bot will work for me
[10:34] <kelmo_lap> debian bug #304087
[10:34] <Ubugtu> Debian bug 304087 in wpasupplicant "Subject: wpasupplicant not working with ipw2100 driver" [Important,Closed]  http://bugs.debian.org/304087
[10:34] <lifeless> awesome
[10:34] <kelmo_lap> i think fixed with: http://hostap.epitest.fi/bugz/show_bug.cgi?id=140
[10:34] <kelmo_lap> which i have already ported to our 0.5 branch
[10:34] <kelmo_lap> fixes wext with static wep keys
[10:35] <kelmo_lap> i can port to 0.4.8 or we can wait for 0.4.9
[10:35] <kelmo_lap> either way, we can tag that ticket as oending, i think
[10:35] <siretart> wow
[10:35] <kelmo_lap> s/oending/pending
[10:36] <siretart> kelmo_lap: there is a shellscript called 'bts' in the devscripts package you can use
[10:36] <siretart> kelmo_lap: try 'bts tag 304087 pending'
[10:36] <kelmo_lap> ah cool, i shall read up on it, thanks
[10:36] <siretart> it expects a local mta functional though
[10:36] <kelmo_lap> hmm, i don't have that . . .
[10:36] <kelmo_lap> control<at> i must use
[10:37] <kelmo_lap> anyway, lets continue
[10:37] <kelmo_lap> debian bug #295445
[10:37] <Ubugtu> Debian bug 295445 in wpasupplicant "Subject: Please add hotplug support and driver autodetection" [Wishlist,Open]  http://bugs.debian.org/295445
[10:37] <kelmo_lap> i think we disagreed on this one
[10:37] <siretart> kelmo_lap: just a mom
[10:37] <kelmo_lap> i don't like it one bit
[10:37] <ajmitch> siretart: good thanks :)
[10:38] <siretart> hostap #140 doesn't talk about static wep keying with ipw2100 - Are you sure these things are related?
[10:38] <siretart> ajmitch: cool :)
[10:38] <kelmo_lap> siretart, related to wext
[10:39] <ajmitch> siretart: it currently just Doesn't Work :)
[10:39] <kelmo_lap> don't matter what damn driver, just the wpasupplicant backend
[10:39] <ajmitch> probably because I still have an old config file lying around
[10:39] <kelmo_lap> feel free to test it yourself with our 0.5 branch on ya girlfriends ipw2100 laptop
[10:40] <joelbryan> how do you use someone else patch and make derivatives of it?
[10:40] <siretart> kelmo_lap: ah, i see
[10:41] <siretart> kelmo_lap: If this really fixes the issue, I'd love to have this fix in dapper asap, since we are currently in deep freeze mode
[10:41] <kelmo_lap> siretart, well, i can easily port to 0.4 branch tonight if need be
[10:41] <kelmo_lap> trivial patch
[10:41] <kelmo_lap> or you can, whatever
[10:42] <siretart> a sec, boss in room
[10:42] <kelmo_lap> hehe
[10:42] <kelmo_lap> ajmitch, i've never attempted to use nm yet
[10:42] <kelmo_lap> ajmitch, can you chosse interfaces to control and not to control via nm?
[10:42] <kelmo_lap> choose*
[10:45] <ajmitch> I don't know
[10:48] <siretart> kelmo_lap: would be great, I'd happily test that patch on the affected laptop. she would be very thankful as well ;)
[10:51] <kelmo_lap> siretart, just committed
[10:51] <kelmo_lap> to stable branch
[10:52] <kelmo_lap> please test
[10:52] <kelmo_lap> if possible ; )
[10:52] <siretart> thanks! will test it asap (most likely tomorrow)
[10:52] <kelmo_lap> siretart, that patch was so important it also went straight into 0.3 0.4 and 0.5 branches of upstream cvs
[10:53] <siretart> uuh. I see.
[10:53] <kelmo_lap> not many people must use wpa_supplicant for wep ; )
[10:54] <siretart> ok. spotted the patch, it is a 4-liner, will test it asap
[10:55] <kelmo_lap> debian bug #354388
[10:55] <Ubugtu> Debian bug 354388 in wpasupplicant "Subject: wpasupplicant: please recompile with madwifi-dev" [Wishlist,Open]  http://bugs.debian.org/354388
[10:55] <kelmo_lap> that is not valid
[10:55] <kelmo_lap> my new madwifi packaging does not and will not include a -dev package anymore
[10:55] <siretart> we have 2 options: either close it with explanation, or, if you think that ppl will reopen it anyway, mark it 'wontfix'
[10:55] <kelmo_lap> i will close it then
[10:56] <siretart> I agree
[10:56] <siretart> if they reopen (or refile dupes), we can mark them wontfix anyway
[10:56] <kelmo_lap> debian bug #350963
[10:56] <Ubugtu> Debian bug 350963 in wpasupplicant "Subject: wpasupplicant: wait-for-interface option -w does not work anymore" [Normal,Open]  http://bugs.debian.org/350963
[10:56] <kelmo_lap> his argument was refuted on the hostap mailing list
[10:57] <kelmo_lap> oh
[10:57] <kelmo_lap> anyway, its not really pertinent to the package now
[10:58] <siretart> kelmo_lap: could you perhaps post a link to the bugreport to the relevant links on the mailing list?
[10:58] <kelmo_lap> if i can find them . . .
[10:59] <siretart> :)
[11:00] <kelmo_lap> one last thing, then i'll leave you alone
[11:00] <kelmo_lap> in 0.5 branch, i began putting the code in the ifupdown script into functions
[11:00] <kelmo_lap> to make it more readable
[11:01] <kelmo_lap> if you agree with that style, then i'd like to throw it into the stable packaging at some stage too
[11:01] <siretart> like in, -4?
[11:02] <kelmo_lap> up to you, thats why i ask
[11:02] <siretart> hm
[11:02] <siretart> considering that we are currently in deep freeze for dapper, I'd prefer focused patches to trunk/
[11:03] <siretart> is it only refactoring or are there functional changes as well?
[11:03] <kelmo_lap> refactoring will allow functional changes to be integrated with greater ease
[11:03] <siretart> hm. I'd like to compare the to scripts first
[11:03] <kelmo_lap> i don't want to maintain two vastly different scripts for too long
[11:04] <siretart> me neither
[11:04] <kelmo_lap> well, they are not much different
[11:04] <kelmo_lap> but you know what i mean . . .
[11:04] <siretart> I understand. sure
[11:07] <siretart> hm. the refactoring makes very sense
[11:09] <kelmo_lap> siretart, looks much better now huh?
[11:09] <kelmo_lap> easier on the eye
[11:10] <kelmo_lap> especially for people looking at it for the first time
[11:10] <siretart> right
[11:11] <siretart> I'm happy to test it. lets put it to trunk, and I'll cherry pick fixes for the next ubuntu upload
[11:11] <kelmo_lap> thanks
[11:13] <kelmo_lap> and thanks for your time too, siretart
[11:16] <siretart> no problem. :) thanks for your work on wpasupplicant :)
[11:17] <siretart> I'm just annoyed about Felix :/
[11:17] <kelmo_lap> ah, i am over it now
[11:17] <kelmo_lap> forget about that guy
[11:18] <kelmo_lap> if he wants something to be done, he needs to attach code with his whingy emails
[11:18] <kelmo_lap> because i think we are both way past satisfying that guy ;-)
[11:19] <siretart> maybe. But I still don't want to appear like an bad maintainer
[11:22] <kelmo_lap> what you are doing is fine
[11:22] <kelmo_lap> it is impossible to do what every single bug reporter wants you to
[11:22] <kelmo_lap> but this guy is just a bit too persintent, and testing some nerves
[11:22] <kelmo_lap> that is all
[11:23] <kelmo_lap> we will get that roamin solution when we have a chance (and we are not replying to the same thing every other day)
[11:23] <kelmo_lap> roaming*
[11:24] <siretart> maybe you're right
[11:25] <kelmo_lap> originally i was going to start hacking on one straight away, but then the wifiroamd project was born
[11:25] <kelmo_lap> so i guess that effort should be backed
[11:29] <kelmo_lap> siretart, well, hopefully the small patch will fix that static wep key issue, i am pretty confident it will, but of course cannot be sure about driver specific problems
[11:29] <kelmo_lap> siretart, if it does, we can tag that changelog entry
[11:30] <kelmo_lap> later
[11:30] <kelmo_lap> apologies for all the noise motu's ;-)
[11:31] <ajmitch> hah, as if talking about packaging is going to be off-topic
[11:32] <siretart> so, I'm out for lunch
[11:32] <siretart> bye!
[11:58] <kelmo_lap> siretart, forgot to discuss one other thing before, but that can wait until after dinner ;-)
[12:32] <kelmo_lap> siretart, also, we should end this poisonous mailing list thread . . .
[12:33] <siretart> you're right. I should finally focus on my thesis here
[12:33] <kelmo_lap> yes, that is far more important
[02:09] <pygi> someone update and ask for UVFe libsdl please ? 
[02:22] <dholbach> I'm going to file a bunch of bug reports with the the prefix [UNMETDEPS]  in a bit and subscribe motu to them
[02:22] <dholbach> that way it should be easy to get a list and them fixed for release
[02:22] <dholbach> which is good
[02:22] <dholbach> YAY!
[02:24] <StevenK> OW!
[02:24] <StevenK> I need those to fix bugs!
[02:24] <StevenK> Besides, typing with my nose is annoying.
[02:25] <Hobbsee> oops!
[02:25] <Hobbsee> i meant "keyboard" not "fingers"
[02:25] <StevenK> Heh.
[02:25] <StevenK> Now I can't type at all. :-(
[02:25] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:27] <Mithrandir> just use gok
[02:28] <TheMuso> Or maybe something a bit thicke.
[02:28] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:28] <Hobbsee> not like i'd be able to do much damage anyway - i should be worried about you all doing damage to me
[02:28] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: getting picked on again? :)
[02:29] <StevenK> Heh
[02:29] <StevenK> Some.
[02:29] <TheMuso> I'd rather eat them
[02:29] <TheMuso> THe red ones in particular.
[02:29] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:30] <StevenK> Capsicum spray isn't really capsicum.
[02:30] <Mithrandir> good thing I had a helmet on, then
[02:30] <StevenK> Capsicum spray is vile, and *hurts*.
[02:30] <StevenK> Dear me. Must have been something we said.
[02:31] <Hobbsee> StevenK: haha
[02:31] <Hobbsee> it timed out, for some reason - it's done it before
[02:32] <Mithrandir> there's one which instantly panics your box, at least
[02:32] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:33] <Hobbsee> yes, but i'm using the workaround for that
[02:33] <Mithrandir> "not having local users"?
[02:33] <Mithrandir> at least of the kind you don't trust.
[02:33] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:33] <Hobbsee> no, only one user on this machine, and thats me
[02:34] <StevenK> Mithrandir: The ip multicast bug?
[02:34] <Mithrandir> StevenK: yep
[02:34] <StevenK> That's a fun DoS.
[02:37] <StevenK> Hobbsee: "ip r g 224.0.0.1 iif eth0"
[02:37] <StevenK> With a 'dev eth0' in there.
[02:37] <Hobbsee> ah right...
[02:37] <Mithrandir> you don't need dev eth0, do you?
[02:38] <StevenK> I'm unsure, and I don't really want to try it. :-)
[02:38] <Mithrandir> it worked without eth0 when I tried it on my test box.
[02:59] <zul> heylo
[03:10] <dholbach> ok, so if y'all search for UNMETDEPS in Launchpad's bugs, we should have a little list of bugs that should mostly be a rebuild
[03:10] <dholbach> (and I fixed the bug with the wrong subjects in the meantime) :)
[03:11] <ajmitch> dholbach: yeah, thanks, I'll get rebuilding
[03:11] <ajmitch> I've assigned a bunch of zope* bugs to myself :)
[03:11] <dholbach> rock on - Karma love for you!
[03:11] <ajmitch> waiting for syncs, and need to upload some python evils
[03:12] <ogra> sivang, congrats
[03:12] <zakame> hi MOTUs ! :D
[03:12] <ogra> Accepted upbackup 0.0.1 (source)
[03:15] <dholbach> Gloubiboulga: some of the uninstallable packages are xubuntu ones
[03:16] <dholbach> Gloubiboulga: you guys don't seam to default subscribe your team to those packages, do you?
[03:16] <dholbach> xfce4-wavelan-plugin for example
[03:16] <Gloubiboulga> dholbach, some plugins are not suscribed to the Xubuntu team, I'll add them
[03:16] <dholbach> rock on
[03:17] <dholbach> hope those uninstallables are easy to fix
[03:17] <Gloubiboulga> the uninstallable plugins are the ones which have not been ported to the new panel yet
[03:17] <dholbach> ah ok
[03:17] <dholbach> i see
[03:17] <Gloubiboulga> not really easy to fix, and it's upstream job...
[03:18] <Gloubiboulga> dholbach, do I have to do anything technically before starting uploads
[03:18] <Gloubiboulga> like getting my gpg key signed
[03:19] <dholbach> Gloubiboulga: um
[03:19] <dholbach> Gloubiboulga: you don't have a key on launchpad yet?
[03:20] <Gloubiboulga> dholbach, it's on
[03:20] <dholbach> sounds good
[03:20] <dholbach> try it :)
[03:21] <dholbach> ajmitch: if we remove zope2.7, can we subscribe 'ubuntu-archive' to the bug and look into getting it done?
[03:21] <Gloubiboulga> ok, I have a few in progress bugs, it's time to upload :)
[03:21] <dholbach> ajmitch: or when is the removal planned?
[03:21] <dholbach> GO Gloubiboulga, GO GO GO!
[03:23] <StevenK> I wonder if remove-packages.py actually works now.
[03:23] <ajmitch> dholbach: #39631
[03:24] <dholbach> bug 39631
[03:24] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 39631 in Ubuntu "sync and removal requests: zope*" [Normal,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/39631
[03:24] <dholbach> ajmitch: thanks - then close the bug - it has no point
[03:24] <ajmitch> ok
[03:26] <sivang> ogra: ?
[03:26] <sivang> ogra: ah ;-)
[03:26] <sivang> ogra: Well, already pending a fix. I need someone to upload the new fixed packaged, which I already uploaded to revu for ease of check and retrival :)
[03:27] <sivang> ogra: and thanks :)
[03:31] <sivang> is everything okay with revu?
[03:31] <sivang> it does not respond anymore.
[03:38] <Gloubiboulga> groovy, my first upload has been accepted :)
[03:48] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:49] <Gloubiboulga> hey bddebian
[03:49] <bddebian> Hello Gloubiboulga
[04:00] <zakame> hi bddebian
[04:00] <bddebian> Heya zakame
[04:23] <bddebian> Ohh, vnc4 4.1.1 from Unstable builds and installs.. Hmm
[04:36] <carthik>  :)zakame, thanks for taking on the streamtuner bugs
[04:36] <zakame> carthik: hey, no problem
[04:37] <zakame> I'm preparing a patch as soon as I get my upload privs back, courtesy of malone 41102 :)
[04:37] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 41102 in qprocd "Could not upload any Universe packages; email parsing bug?" [Major,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/41102
[04:37] <bddebian> zul: ping
[05:34] <zul> bddebian: pong
[05:38] <bddebian> zul: Caught up yet? ;-P
[05:39] <zul> bddebian: no i was watching the hockey game last night
[05:40] <zul> im a canadian and its the play-offs ;)
[05:40] <bddebian> Heh
[05:52] <zul> its quiet today
[05:53] <bddebian> Yeah, you better be working ;-P
[05:53] <bddebian> Heya cbx33
[05:53] <cbx33> hey bddebian
[05:54] <zul> i will when i get home :P
[06:01] <bddebian> Heya Seveas, highvoltage
[06:01] <highvoltage> hi bddebian!
[06:02] <Seveas> hi Boo 
[06:10] <bddebian> heh
[06:58] <bddebian> Hmm, why would cacti bring in apache and apache2 packages?
[07:12] <FunnyLookinHat> On latest updates:
[07:12] <FunnyLookinHat> E: /var/cache/apt/archives/xserver-xorg_7.0.0-0ubuntu31_i386.deb: subprocess pre-installation script returned error exit status 2
[07:13] <ogra> FunnyLookinHat, there is really no need to spam all ubuntu channels with it
[07:14] <FunnyLookinHat> ogra,  only sent to devel and motu, wasn't sure where it should go.
[07:14] <ogra> to launchpad
[07:15] <FunnyLookinHat> kk
[07:15] <dholbach> yeah, file a bug.
[07:17] <ogra> 32 is already building with the fix since 1h so you'll surely find a bug about it
[07:17] <sivang> re
[07:19] <bddebian> wb sivang
[07:20] <sivang> hey bddebian , anything broken already ? :)
[07:21] <bddebian> sivang: xorg apparently but I didn't do that one ;-P
[07:22] <sivang> bddebian: I would be scared if you have, MOTU is not dealing with xorg as it's in main right?
[07:22] <bddebian> Aye
[07:23] <sivang> bddebian: care to upload a fixed version of upbackup for me in a couple of seconds?
[07:26] <tuxmaniac> bug 41305
[07:26] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 41305 in scilab "Scilab version is old, new stable version is 4." [Normal,Rejected]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/41305
[07:26] <bddebian> tuxmaniac: D00d, keep dreaming :-)
[07:27] <tuxmaniac> bddebian: Why this?
[07:28] <bddebian> tuxmaniac: Need UVF exceptions for all your "new" packages :-)
[07:28] <tuxmaniac> bddebian: Yeah!!! I got it :( I know what you mean also!
[07:29] <bddebian> tuxmaniac: Actually they are fairly self contained so you could file UVF bugs for them
[07:45] <farruinn> Does setting up a new pbuilder environment usually take a while? It's been on "Checking component main..." for quite a while
[07:48] <farruinn> Ignore my question - it just wasn't being verbose about downloading stuff
[07:53] <sivang> bddebian: I've uploaded a fixed version to revu, will you be able to review and upload?
[07:55] <tuxmaniac> bddebian: Am off now! And will not be in IRC Tomorrow mostly as I am travelling :) See ya
[07:57] <LaserJock> tuxmaniac: did you package scilab 4?
[07:57] <tuxmaniac> LaserJock: You want me to ? I can do it
[07:57] <tuxmaniac> But I thought I will get MAgic up!
[07:58] <LaserJock> tuxmaniac: dude, I think scilab4 is going to be a beast
[07:58] <LaserJock> tuxmaniac: did you get any reviews from xcircuit on REVU?
[07:58] <tuxmaniac> LaserJock: Not yet! HAve some errors on Lintian but the previous package also has the same!
[08:00] <LaserJock> tuxmaniac: yeah, there is some stuff that needs to be taken care of, if I have time I'll try to do a more thorough review and make a comment
[08:00] <tuxmaniac> thank u! LaserJock  I am still new to packaging! So the more the revoew points more helpful it would be
[08:02] <LaserJock> yes,  learn by doing
[08:02] <tuxmaniac> LaserJock: Oh my god.. Scilab is really gonna be one!!!
[08:02] <LaserJock> MOTU is a great place to learn to package
[08:02] <tuxmaniac> helluva lot of features added also !!
[08:03] <tuxmaniac> But LaserJock Does everybody know that Scilab is _Not_ free software! It was pointed out by one of my friends
[08:03] <LaserJock> tuxmaniac: yeah, that is why I wasn't too keen on packaging 4
[08:04] <tuxmaniac> LaserJock: :))
[08:04] <tuxmaniac> LaserJock: Octave?
[08:04] <LaserJock> tuxmaniac: what about it?
[08:06] <tuxmaniac> LaserJock: Nothing! I was thinking something and typed something
[08:06] <LaserJock> k
[08:06] <tuxmaniac> LaserJock: HAve to leave now! Will be pretty late on IRC tomorrow!
[08:06] <LaserJock> cya tuxmaniac
[08:06] <tuxmaniac> LaserJock: Bye
[08:12] <LaserJock> ya know, sometimes I could just strangle Mr. Gates :/
[08:13] <LaserJock> I but a new motherboard in the HP I bought in 2002, now Windows XP refuses to recognize my key
[08:33] <FunnyLookinHat> How do I clear or remove a specific package from my downloaded cache?
[08:34] <LaserJock> FunnyLookinHat: I usually just go to /var/cache/apt/archives and rm it
[08:34] <FunnyLookinHat> LaserJock, sweet thanks
[09:09] <bddebian> Heya jaldhar
[09:14] <LaserJock> howdy bddebian
[09:15] <bddebian> Heya LaserJock
[09:19] <freeflying-ibook> can anyone close bug 34996
[09:23] <LaserJock> freeflying-ibook: you can't?
[09:24] <freeflying-ibook> LaserJock: howw to do it?
[09:24] <LaserJock> freeflying-ibook: mark it "Fix Released" or "Rejected"
[09:26] <freeflying-ibook> LaserJock: thx
[09:37] <bddebian> Gawd I hate it when work gets in the way of my Ubuntu work.. :-)
[09:39] <Tonio_> hi everyone ;)
[09:40] <Gloubiboulga> hey Tonio_ :)
[09:40] <bddebian> Heya Tonio_
[09:41] <Tonio_> ;)
[09:43] <sys8794> if someone packaged captive-ntfs what are the chances it could get included in a dapper flight?
[09:44] <zul> isnt that the binary only driver?
[09:44] <ogra> zero ?
[09:45] <sys8794> it is a script written to r/w to ntfs
[09:46] <sys8794> there is already a lice cd (trinity rescue kit) that uses it, however since ubuntu is my fav I was wandering if there was a way to get that included ?
[09:47] <tseng> chances of a brand new experimental module loading proprietary ms code going into a dapper install cd post beta:
[09:47] <tseng> "not gonna happen"
[09:47] <tseng> feature freeze was a long time ago, and kernel freeze has past
[09:50] <sys8794> ok well I hadnt had a chance to keep up with all of the deadlines I have been out of country (with no access) for last 8 months. Now I am back where I have access trying to make things happen so thought I would ask
[09:51] <tseng> you missed the boat for dapper unfortunately
[09:52] <sys8794> no worries actually it will give me time to package and test, and include in beta on own, and if I can create a stable encior then I will try for next flight so we can get it included
[09:53] <sys8794> encior-envior (short for enviorment:)
[10:04] <pef> hello
[10:05] <Gloubiboulga> hi pef !
[10:06] <pef> Gloubiboulga: salut, j'ai bien recu ton mail ;)
[10:07] <Gloubiboulga> pef, ok, a me tenait  coeur de te prvenir :)
[10:08] <pef> c'est sympa :] 
[10:12] <dolson> yay, I just got a job offer as a Perl developer
[10:12] <dolson> I guess I gotta go learn Perl now
[10:18] <LaserJock> dolson: I feel sorry for you ;(
[10:18] <dolson> lol
[10:18] <dolson> Whatever dude, I haven't had a job since December
[10:19] <dolson> I'm just glad I don't have to move to another city now
[10:20] <sivang> LaserJock: why? among us there are people who has to do PHP for a living ;-)
[10:20] <LaserJock> arggh, you all just need to go into the sciences where we use *real* languages like Fortran
[10:21] <tseng> sivang: hah-hah
[10:21] <dolson> I like PHP, but I don't have a choice here
[10:22] <dolson> at least they will allow me to run Ubuntu on my system at this place :)
[10:24] <LaserJock> I only know a little python and fortran :/
[10:25] <zul> *shudder* fortran
[10:25] <LaserJock> I've had a hard time getting my advisor to let me use python instead of Fortran
[10:25] <LaserJock> but we still use it for most everything
[10:26] <Gloubiboulga> MOTUs, if we have a bug in ubuntu for foo_1.4-1, and debian's foo_1.4-2 fixes it, can we just sync the package?
[10:27] <LaserJock> my advisor almost had a fit when he bought us all iMacs and then realized that they don't have g77
[10:27] <bddebian> Gloubiboulga: If it is just a revision update for a bug fix, yes afaik
[10:27] <LaserJock> Gloubiboulga: yes, if it builds ok, etc.
[10:28] <Gloubiboulga> ok, so do I just upload the package (after testing it), or is there something else to do for syncs?
[10:28] <bddebian> Oh no
[10:28] <bddebian> File a sync request bug on LP
[10:28] <bddebian> Unless you need to make Ubuntu changes, then you can upload
[10:28] <Gloubiboulga> ah ok
[10:28] <LaserJock> Gloubiboulga: wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources
[10:28] <Gloubiboulga> thanks LaserJock
[10:29] <Gloubiboulga> and bddebian :)
[10:29] <bddebian> :-)
[10:29] <LaserJock> Gloubiboulga: you made MOTU? !!!
[10:30] <Gloubiboulga> LaserJock, yep :)
[10:30] <LaserJock> Gloubiboulga: congrats!!
[10:31] <Gloubiboulga> thanks LaserJock :)
[10:33] <LaserJock> I think I finally got all the NEW packages in I wanted, and removed all the ones I wanted :-)
[10:35] <bddebian> Oh cool, so xcircuit got in? :-)
[10:42] <dholbach> bye everybody
[10:43] <highvoltage> bye dholbach!
[10:44] <dholbach> bye highvoltage
[10:44] <crimsun> bye daniel
[10:45] <dolson> bye dholbach
[10:45] <dholbach> bye dolson, crimsun *wave*
[10:45] <crimsun> yay, I have the same issue as zak
[10:45] <crimsun> and we'll both be using the same hackaround for soyuz :(
[10:45] <crimsun> err, :)
[10:47] <bddebian> :-(
[10:47] <crimsun> it's a good thing -- we can both upload again :)
[10:50] <bddebian> Oh, cool
[11:03] <LaserJock> ackk, my virtual machine ate my network connection
[12:01] <uniq> i've made a patch for bug 41547, (url in bug comment) can someone review, apply and upload fix?
[12:01] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 41547 in kbanking "[UNMETDEPS]  xsim has unmet dependencies" [Normal,Fix committed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/41547