[12:02] <spike> neuralis: I have my points against cyrus, but what's so wrong with courier? and I do like dovecot, just cant see what's so bad about courier
[12:14] <neuralis> spike: the security track record is just as bad, iirc.
[03:17] <curado> hi
[03:18] <curado> i'm trying to migrate some sarge box at my job to ubuntu.. but i need information to justify it
[03:18] <curado> could someone give me some tips?
[03:18] <h3sp4wn> curado: don't if there was a reason you would already know it
[03:21] <curado> it would not be a reason.. it would be something to prove ubuntu being better to a server...
[03:21] <curado> h3sp4wn: do you admin ubuntu servers or just sarge ones?
[03:30] <infinity> curado: To be honest, there's very little difference between an Ubuntu or Debian server.
[03:31] <infinity> curado: If you plan to move to Ubuntu when dapper releases, however, perhaps some people will be happy to know that we will provide security support for dapper (on the server-side) for 5 years.
[03:31] <infinity> Nice to know if you don't particularly like upgrading every 18 months (I know I can never be bothered)
[03:31] <curado> but what about security team for ubuntu server?
[03:32] <curado> i already admin some ubuntu servers.. but this is the first time i need to consider migrating a sarge machine to ubuntu
[03:33] <infinity> What about the security team?... It's the same security team as for all of Ubuntu.
[03:33] <curado> that's why i ask for help..
[03:33] <infinity> And we do our best.
[03:33] <infinity> As for migration, the best adive I can give is "do full backups, pin your apt preferences, and jump in"
[03:33] <curado> :)
[03:34] <infinity> Basically, to get a complete migration, you need to "sidegrade", which can mean forced downgrading of some packages.
[03:35] <infinity> The following in /etc/apt/preferences should do it:
[03:35] <infinity> Package: *
[03:35] <infinity> Pin: release a=breezy
[03:35] <infinity> Pin-Priority: 1001
[03:35] <infinity> (A pin-priority over 1000 will force downgrades to respect the pin)
[03:36] <curado> but would you migrate a server from sarge to breezy?
[03:36] <curado> i really want that..
[03:37] <infinity> I did not that long ago.
[03:37] <infinity> But, then again, I develop for both Debian and Ubuntu, so I had my own personal reasons for doing so, and obviously some good idea as to how well it would wrk.
[03:38] <infinity> (For the record, sarge->breezy goes pretty smoothly, generally.  Some packages will get a forced-downgrade, but they're all close enough in version that everything seems okay once the dust settles)
[03:38] <curado> so both would be a good option..
[03:39] <curado> and when dapper releases i should consider migrating..
[03:39] <curado> that's right?
[03:41] <h3sp4wn> curado: some sarge / some woody / a ubuntu test machine - if its working properly there is no reason to upgrade (In my opinion) if you are going to upgrade you might as well do it onto new hardware and just migrate the data
[03:42] <curado> thanks for you advice..  :)
[03:42] <curado> and what about new servers?
[03:42] <curado> breezy or sarge?
[03:43] <h3sp4wn> what running ?
[03:43] <curado> apache, nagios, mysql, openldap
[03:43] <curado> some other services too
[03:43] <curado> like dns, dhcp..
[03:54] <h3sp4wn> wait for dapper or sarge - dapper seems to run faster (in my admittedly quite limited testing) I don't know about reliability - even though it probably will work fine (and you will receive no praise etc)if it doesn't then you will get the trouble
[03:56] <curado> ok  :)
[03:57] <curado> thanks a lot
[05:25] <Vaske_Car> hello
[05:26] <Vaske_Car> anybody here willing to answer few questions?
[07:55] <xerophyte> can i able to split the tar archive file into small parts ?? i have huge folder which has 12G of data
[09:55] <allee> xerophyte: command split.  But that's more #ubuntu question, isn't it
[04:11] <xerophyte> does anybody know why do i get this error ount: block device /dev/sda5 is write-protected, mounting read-only the fstab entry for that /dev/sda5 /       ext3    defaults 1 1 and when i  try to  mount -o remount  / does anybody know does that mount is mounting with read-onley
[04:18] <ivoks> that's an usb stick?
[04:20] <xerophyte> ivoks, nope its sata drive
[04:20] <xerophyte> with root partion
[04:21] <xerophyte> mounted with rw but i am not able to create any file only on the root partition
[04:22] <ivoks> remount should mount it rw
[04:22] <ivoks> unless there is some hardware write protection or filesystem is corupted
[04:23] <xerophyte> EXT3-fs error (device sda5) in start_transaction: Journal has aborted
[04:23] <xerophyte> EXT3-fs error (device sda5) in start_transaction: Journal has aborted
[04:23] <xerophyte> how can fix that
[04:26] <ivoks> fsck-ing
[04:26] <ivoks> grab an install or live CD, and fsck that partition
[04:53] <jurjenst> When I take the time of create a 'ubuntu_webserver' or 'ubuntu_firewall' meta- & configuration-package. Is there a chance that somebody would include it in the ubuntu repository? I have send some ideas about it on the mailinglist.
[04:54] <jurjenst> The idea is to install a combination of packages and to make them work together.
[04:54] <jurjenst> So ubuntu_mailserver will install a working amavisd-new and spamassassin.
[04:54] <ivoks> i doubt that will enter dapper
[04:55] <ivoks> jurjenst: and clamav-daemon i hope :)
[04:55] <jurjenst> That is no problem... it would not be stable enough before end of the month ;)
[04:55] <ivoks> but wait a sec...
[04:55] <jurjenst> ivoks: naturally
[04:55] <ivoks> there is allready spec for that
[04:55] <jurjenst> ivoks... where?
[04:55] <jurjenst> I would like that ;)
[04:55] <ivoks> sec...
[04:56] <ivoks> https://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-instant-server/+spec/ubuntu-instant-server-manager
[04:59] <jurjenst> ivoks... thanks that looks a lot like it... I will try and contact Mario about the ideas...
[05:00] <jurjenst> I am building a package for my work to create a complete mailserver automagically. But to debug this work an official package would help quite a bit.
[05:03] <ivoks> jurjenst: mario is online ATM
[05:03] <ivoks> let me contact him...
[05:04] <ivoks> jurjenst: meet mario (pygi) :)
[05:05] <pygi> hi jurjenst
[05:13] <jurjenst> Hello.. it looks like the instant server option is a bit more abigious that my plans ;)
[05:14] <pygi> jurjenst: hehe 
[05:14] <jurjenst> I want to install some software (small sets) and configure them together.
[05:14] <jurjenst> So people have some guidance to install servers...
[05:14] <pygi> well, have you read the specs? (at least what's left of it)
[05:14] <pygi> There are docs about server configuration on the way
[05:15] <jurjenst> But it is some extra work to provide php interfaces for all the software... it's fun to create but it is a lot of effort
[05:15] <pygi> php interface??? who was talking about php interface?
[05:15] <jurjenst> I like to create a script that configures postfix - spamassassin - clamav together.
[05:16] <jurjenst> 1: Ease of use (we used a php interface on a seperate server from the main apache
[05:16] <jurjenst> it's in the docs ;)
[05:17] <jurjenst> I will try to create a first version of the packages this weekend... I will mail the result for comments.
[05:17] <pygi> what kind of scripts are you going to provide?
[05:17] <pygi> wait, don't work on anything until we agree what is to be done -P
[05:18] <jurjenst> ubuntu-webserver, ubuntu-mailserver, ubuntu-sqlmailserver, ubuntu-firewall ;)
[05:18] <jurjenst> these are just mega packages and some configuration to glue them together.
[05:19] <jurjenst> And a good sample configuration ... but still very close to the current packages
[05:19] <pygi> No, I would suggest you don't do that =P
[05:19] <jurjenst> why?
[05:19] <pygi> Are you familliar with python?
[05:19] <jurjenst> meta... instead of mega ;)
[05:19] <jurjenst> yes..
[05:19] <pygi> well, why not write python scripts for configuration according to u-i-s specs?
[05:20] <jurjenst> is ok..
[05:20] <jurjenst> I was thinking about some really ugly bash scripting but python is a good alternative ;)
[05:21] <pygi> hm, lemme dig up the specs and try to explain it to you
[05:21] <pygi> I'll also try to be of some help, but I can't promise any of coding at this time
[05:26] <pygi> oki, were you looking at this?
 mislio sam da ce to biti rasulo
 na kraju je prilicno dobro ispao
[05:26] <pygi> bah, wrong paste :P
[05:26] <pygi> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuInstantServerSpec
[05:27] <pygi> also this
[05:27] <pygi> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDownUnder/BOFs/UbuntuInstantServer
[05:27] <pygi> ???
[05:33] <pygi> jurjenst: still alive? 
[05:42] <visik7> hi
[05:42] <visik7> iptables is a ubuntu-server related question ?
[05:43] <fabbione> no
[05:43] <fabbione> -> #ubuntu
[05:43] <visik7> ok
[05:43] <pygi> o, fabbione is alive 
[05:43] <fabbione> barely
[05:43] <fabbione> i am recovering
[05:44] <spike> fabbione: about this "is it related". I added some stuff to the ServerFaq page, if you wanna have a look at it
[05:44] <pygi> ugh :-/ what happened?
[05:44] <fabbione> spike: what was the url?
[05:44] <fabbione> pygi: have been ill
[05:44] <spike> fabbione: some guy with nick redguy came asking for something to include in the ubotu bot's factoid for server
[05:45] <fabbione> ok
[05:45] <spike> fabbione: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerFaq
[05:45] <spike> fabbione: ssee "Where can I get help?"
[05:46] <fabbione> yeah
[05:46] <fabbione> there is #ubuntu-server
[05:46] <fabbione> that should really say #ubuntu
[05:46] <fabbione> and join #ubuntu-server if you want to help
[05:46] <spike> the guy never showed up again, so I dont know how to get it in the factoid
[05:47] <fabbione> we also need to change the url to the seeds
[05:47] <fabbione> that one is obsoleted
[05:48] <fabbione> http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/seeds/dapper/server
[05:48] <fabbione> this is the new url
[05:49] <spike> k
[11:51] <J_P> hi all
[11:51] <J_P> people, I have ubuntu 5.10, and I am using redir program and doing this : "redir --laddr=200.xxx.xxx.xxx --lport=9000 --caddr=192.168.0.195 --cport=80  --debug", but this isn't working, but I test this comand in debian sarge and are working, version is equal (2.0). In ubuntu redir receive conection but cannot redirect it... Anyone have anyone idea ?
[11:57] <J_P> anyone here ?