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pygiogra: still here and have a lill' time?01:22
rickwHey guys, I'm trying to watch an mms stream.  I see comments on the web about having to use xine or mplayer instead of the default installed totem.  Any suggestoins?  What about other sites that claim the streams require the Windows Media Player ActiveX control?01:30
Sergi0rickw: maybe vlc will run it01:33
rickwThat looks promising.  What about plugins for totem?01:36
Sergi0rickw: dunno, never tried01:38
LaserJockI unfortunately usually break down and use Windows Media Player :(01:38
crimsunvlc will not play the really new ones that use wmv901:40
rickwI've seen reference to getting the w32codecs from PLF (Penguin Liberation Front), but they only seem to have things for Breezy now and I'm using Dapper.  Know where I might get PLF for Dapper?01:41
crimsunthe w32codecs for breezy are applicable to dapper, too.01:42
rickwWill they play mms and real player formats?  What media player can I use them with?01:44
crimsunmplayer, generally, or kaffeine01:44
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fxc065hi is there a pre installed program for the kid to organize schedule?08:13
fxc065like school wise08:13
fxc065i think i ran across that prog but forgot the name08:13
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edubuntugirl*yawn*08:22
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cbx33mornin all08:53
cbx33edubuntugirl cbx3308:54
edubuntugirlcbx33 is Pete Savage08:54
cbx33edubuntugirl literal cbx3308:54
edubuntugirlcbx33 =is= the edubuntu general dogsbody - no job too small|Pete Savage|the edubuntu general dogsbody - no job too small08:54
cbx33edubuntugirl, forget cbx3308:55
edubuntugirlcbx33: You are not authorized to make me forget stuff08:55
cbx33dang it :p08:55
highvoltage:)08:55
highvoltageogra: ping08:57
cbx33ogra's not gonna be up yet is he? :p08:59
cbx33he's a late riser :p08:59
highvoltageyeah09:01
highvoltagei'm sure he'll do a pong-back as soon as he's up09:01
cbx33howz it all going highvoltage 09:01
highvoltagegood, i suppose.09:02
cbx33you suppose?09:02
cbx33hehehh09:02
highvoltageyeah. i don't really know. so much has been happening that i really need to take some time to catch up.09:03
highvoltagei can't think of any reasons why things are bad, so i can only assume things are good.09:03
cbx33awww.....you do a lot highvoltage and we all appreciate it09:03
highvoltagefor edubuntu? i hardly get to edubuntu currently. tuxlabs is virtually taking all my time at the moment.09:03
highvoltagenot that i'm complaining, or anything :)09:04
highvoltagewhenever things get tough, i just think back of the times i used to work in a computer shop spending all day taking virusses of windows PC's09:05
highvoltagefew things work-related has been worse than that experience :)09:05
cbx33hehe09:05
cbx33well, my worst work experience was being a web developer, and getting made redundant 1 month before I got married09:06
cbx33that was a tough time, I love my job now, but I'm still looking for a better challenge every now and then09:09
highvoltageouch09:15
highvoltagechallenge is good, although not always easy09:15
highvoltagesorry, i'm not making sense. challenge is never easy, that's why it's called a challenge :)09:16
cbx33hehe09:19
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cbx33Hi Bluekuja 09:51
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cbx33Bluekuja: ping - I've modified the school advocacy page with some discussion points, would appreciated your feedback, indent it if youwant to make the reading easier :p10:07
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highvoltageugh. power failure10:54
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juliuxmorning edubuntugirl 11:03
cbx33morning juliux 11:08
juliuxhi cbx33 11:08
cbx33things good with you?11:08
juliuxyes11:08
juliuxnow yes11:09
cbx33heheh11:09
juliuxi know how to get to the linuxtag in wiesbaden11:09
cbx33w00t11:09
juliuxi will rent a car11:09
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cbx33it was an 808611:14
=== highvoltage installed DOS 1 on a PC once
cbx33WOW11:14
cbx33I'm impressed11:14
cbx33how old are you highvoltage?11:14
=== highvoltage also Ran windows 1.01 on a PC once, als a 8086
highvoltage24. but i enjoy playing with old hardware :)11:14
highvoltageand old systems11:14
highvoltageit's nice to see how it evolved.11:14
cbx33ah yes, same as me I remember now11:14
cbx33there's quite a few of us that are 2411:15
highvoltageedubuntugirl: highvoltage.age is 2411:15
edubuntugirlhighvoltage: I already know stuff about what highvoltage.age is11:15
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cbx33edubuntugirl: highvoltage.age ?11:15
edubuntugirlhighvoltage.age is 2311:15
cbx33heheh11:15
highvoltageedubuntugirl: FINE.11:15
edubuntugirlok, be like that.11:15
cbx33edubuntugirl: cbx33.email11:15
edubuntugirlcbx33: I'm not following you...11:15
cbx33edubuntugirl: cbx33.email is <reply> debug@silentkeystroke.co.uk11:16
edubuntugirlcbx33: gotcha11:16
cbx33edubuntugirl: cbx33.email11:16
edubuntugirldebug@silentkeystroke.co.uk11:16
cbx33:D11:16
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highvoltagehi sankarshan 11:20
sankarshanhi highvoltage 11:20
juliuxedubuntugirl: ogra.age ?11:21
edubuntugirljuliux: what?11:21
juliuxedubuntugirl: help11:21
edubuntugirljuliux: excuse me?11:21
juliuxedubuntugirl: juliux.email juliux@ubuntu-de.org11:21
edubuntugirljuliux: what?11:21
juliuxedubuntugirl: juliux.email is juliux@ubuntu-de.org11:22
edubuntugirljuliux: okay11:22
juliuxedubuntugirl, juliux.email11:22
edubuntugirljuliux.email is juliux@ubuntu-de.org11:22
highvoltage:)11:22
cbx33:D11:22
juliuxi think we need a syntax wiki site for edubuntugirl 11:22
highvoltageyep11:23
cbx33I've always wanted a bot that's linked up to the package search11:23
cbx33so you could ask for the current version of a pacakge etc11:23
juliuxan bugs11:23
cbx33yeh11:23
juliuxedubuntugirl, ltsp bug11:23
edubuntugirljuliux: what?11:23
cbx33a launchpad bot11:23
cbx33a command line version of launchpad :p11:24
cbx33is that available?11:24
highvoltageheh. that's probably not too unlikely.11:24
juliuxcbx33, https://launchpad.net/products/live-installer/+bug/3570911:24
highvoltageprobably on it's way. who knows11:24
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juliuxcbx33, sorry the ubuntu bot is missing11:24
highvoltagethis page explains a bit on edubuntugirl: http://wiki.clug.org.za/wiki/Spinach11:24
juliuxcbx33, the ubuntu bot can bus already11:24
highvoltagethe one on our LUG channel is called Spinach11:24
cbx33ah right excellent11:24
cbx33extending it to package search would be awesome....I'll write a spec on it11:25
highvoltageedubuntugirl: botsnack11:26
edubuntugirlhighvoltage: thankyou!11:26
cbx33juliux: does the ubutntu bot know about status of bugs etc?11:26
juliuxcbx33, i think you 11:26
juliuxcbx33, test it in #ubuntu11:26
highvoltagethere's an ubugtu fot that, afaik11:26
cbx33ah i see11:26
cbx33juliux: would do if I could actually move channel11:26
cbx33I'm on cgiirc11:27
juliuxhehe11:27
cbx33only thing I can use at work11:27
juliuxhm you can buy a gprs flatrate ;)11:28
edubuntugirllike highvoltage 11:28
highvoltagehey, you're running off gprs too edubuntugirl 11:28
juliuxhighvoltage, what does a gprs flat cost by you?11:29
highvoltagei buy 100MB bundles11:29
highvoltagethey cost R7511:29
cbx33costs way too much for me11:29
cbx33i can only just support my wife and myself as it is11:29
juliuxin germany you have to pay 4011:30
highvoltageedubuntugirl: exchange 75 ZAR to USD11:30
highvoltageit's a lot for me too, but at least it gives me irc and e-mail at home :/11:30
edubuntugirlEXCHANGE: 500 Can't connect to www.xe.com:80 (Bad hostname 'www.xe.com')11:30
highvoltageoh, right. edubuntugirl just has freenode in the /etc/hosts file of the box she's running on11:30
highvoltagejuliux: how much data does 40 euro buy you?11:31
highvoltageR75 is about $1211:31
juliuxhighvoltage, it is a flat rate!11:31
juliuxhighvoltage, free traffic and time11:31
highvoltage!11:31
ubotuNo idea, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, highvoltage11:31
highvoltagegeez11:31
highvoltagewe don't get bandwidth for that cheep in south africa, no matter how you connect.11:31
juliuxhm i have a 100MB Lan connection to the internet11:32
juliuxbecause i go over the uni into the internet11:32
juliuxand the ubuntu mirrors we have in the local lan ;)11:33
highvoltagehmm.. that's probably a 100mbit connection to the uni network, not a 100MB connection to the Internet?11:33
highvoltagenice11:33
juliuxhighvoltage, the uni has a 622MBit connection to the internet ;)11:33
juliuxthe slowest connection is the 100Mbit to my room11:34
highvoltagewow11:34
juliuxi have download the dapper beta cd image in 3 minutes11:34
highvoltagethis is depressing.11:34
juliuxi know11:35
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highvoltageedubuntugirl: choose move to germany or not11:35
juliuxbut i have only 3GB traffic free for 7days11:35
edubuntugirlI choose not, highvoltage11:35
highvoltage:/11:35
highvoltagein south africa, you pay R400 per month for 3GB traffic11:35
highvoltageif you use that up, you pay another R40011:35
juliuxpuh11:35
highvoltageedubuntugirl: 400/611:36
edubuntugirlhighvoltage: 66.666666666666711:36
highvoltagethat's about $6611:36
highvoltageand then you have to pay another R250 or so for the line rental11:36
juliuxthats very much11:36
highvoltageyeah, especially considering that the average persons salary here is R2000 per month. out telecom monopoly is really, really evil.11:37
highvoltagethe CEO of Telkom earns about R2000 per minute.11:37
juliuxknow i know why mark has so much money ;)11:37
highvoltagethere's even a hate site for our telkom monopoly: http://www.helkom.co.za/11:37
juliuxin germany you only get flat rates11:38
highvoltageoh, sorry, i lied, this is what the CEO really earns: http://www.helkom.co.za/pages/info.php11:38
highvoltageedubuntugirl: 925000/611:39
edubuntugirlhighvoltage: 154166.66666666711:39
highvoltagestill US$154 166 a month, a lot of money.11:39
juliuxyes11:39
juliuxits enough11:40
cbx33a very lot11:40
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cbx33me get's about 1200 a month11:41
=== highvoltage gets less, but gets by
cbx33highvoltage: you living at home or married or involved with :p12:16
cbx33my boss has just given me the OK to attend any edubuntu stuff I need to during work hours :D12:17
juliuxcbx33, cool12:25
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highvoltagecbx33: nice12:26
highvoltagecbx33: my father and i live together (note: i don't live /with/ my parents)12:26
highvoltagewe pay everything 50/5012:27
juliuxyeah my smartcard reader is here ;)12:28
cbx33highvoltage: ahh cool12:30
cbx33has Bluekuja trned up yet12:30
juliuxask edubuntugirl  ;)12:31
highvoltageedubuntugirl: seen Bluekuja 12:32
edubuntugirlBluekuja was last seen on #edubuntu 36 years, 125 days, 10 hours, 36 minutes and 48 seconds ago, saying: heeh [Thu Jan  1 01:59:59 1970] 12:32
cbx33ahhh still that bug12:32
cbx33:p12:32
highvoltageugh. /me should fix that12:32
cbx33yes /you should :p12:32
cbx33hehe12:32
cbx33is it just your local clock settings?12:38
highvoltagedoesn't seem to be, which is strange12:40
highvoltagei remember fixing this before though...12:40
cbx33heheh12:40
cbx33ogra's late up today :p12:41
cbx33must of had a late night12:41
ogranah12:41
cbx33hey bud:p12:41
cbx33good day?12:41
ograjust busy testing the new live isos12:41
cbx33ah the beta2?12:42
ograyep12:42
cbx33nice12:42
ograhttp://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily-live/20060427.1/12:42
ograif you want to test12:42
cbx33ok np12:43
ogra(primary intrest is the installer)12:43
cbx33ok12:43
cbx33the live installer?12:43
ograyep12:43
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cbx33downloading now12:43
ograits significantly faster (~15 mins/install) 12:44
cbx33I hate the way there's a 20Mb difference in the website's size and firefoxes size :p12:44
cbx33oooh12:44
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cbx33I have a VM all setup and ready for your isos12:44
ogragreat12:44
cbx33am i looking for any problems in particular?12:44
cbx33:p12:44
ogranope12:45
ograjust make sure the CD boots and works as expected12:45
cbx33will do boss - did ya see, my boss says I can attend any edubuntu meetings as required12:47
ograyeah12:47
ograthats very cool :)12:47
juliuxogra, i will download the image an test it on my two pcs and in vmware12:48
ogragreat, thanks a lot :)12:49
juliuxnp12:49
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juliuxand in 4 minutes the iso;912:49
cbx33ooh12:50
juliux2608KB/sek 12:51
juliuxdown12:51
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juliuxcbx33, finished12:53
cbx33me too12:57
highvoltagehi ogra 12:59
highvoltageogra, can these bugs be rejected / solved (or otherwise be considered 'done')?01:00
highvoltagehttps://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gdm/+bug/2788501:00
highvoltagehttps://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/ltsp-utils/+bug/2213401:00
cbx33installing01:01
ograhmm01:01
ogranot sure about the gdm one01:01
cbx33we're not using ltsp-utils are we?01:02
ograltsp-utils is still in main in breezy01:02
cbx33ah i see01:02
ograthere was a bug in mdz's ltsp package that made it depend on ltsp-utils01:02
cbx33can that not be changed? - spose it's too late now and doesn;'t really matter01:03
ograi fixed that with an ltsp upload to breezy-updates, but that indeed isnt on the breezy CD01:03
cbx33does the live cd install create the LTSP root?01:03
ogranope01:03
cbx33right ok01:03
cbx33just checking01:03
ograit does only the workstation install01:03
cbx33gotcha01:03
cbx33I'm looking forward to the ltsp administration tools01:04
juliuxogra, there is a bug in the worldcard where you can choose the timezone01:04
ografile it please01:04
cbx33ogra: is there a spec for those yet?01:04
juliuxogra, against espresso?01:04
ograubiquity01:04
ograespresso doesnt exist anymore01:04
juliuxah ok01:05
cbx33juliux: what's the bug?01:05
juliuxcbx33, there was the option to zoom into the worlcard but if i do this i cant see anything on the worldcard only pixels01:05
cbx33oh....01:06
cbx33I'll retest that...didn't seem to be a problem on mine01:06
juliuxcbx33, the solution was to klick on the back button and then on the next button01:06
cbx33yes01:06
juliuxcbx33, i will test it on two other pcs befor it file a bug01:07
cbx33ogra: might be nice on the progress installer when you click on X for it to ask for confirmation before aborting??01:07
cbx33just a thought01:07
ograjuliux, works fine here01:07
juliuxogra, i will test it again in vmware01:07
juliuxogra, perhaps it is a bug in vmware ;)01:08
ograthat was a vmware install ? 01:08
cbx33juliux: I'm testing in VMWare :p01:08
ograi386 i guess01:08
juliuxyes01:08
cbx33ogra: what do you think about the aborting message?01:08
juliuxthe first install from a new system i am allways test in vmware01:08
ogracbx33, right ... it does that if you click cancel before the progressbar starts01:08
cbx33juliux: great minds think alike01:08
ograso for consistency it should do it in the progressbar mode as well01:09
ografile a bug :)01:09
cbx33i think so01:09
cbx33will do01:09
juliuxogra, i will test it in my second vmware installation01:09
cbx33iling under ubiquity in ubuntu yeh?01:10
ograyep01:11
cbx33another bug01:12
highvoltageogra, when would we really be able to solve that bug, when ltsp-utils moves out of main?01:12
ograhighvoltage, yes, its solved in dapper01:13
cbx33ogra: looks like the install continues even when I have cancelled the progress bar install01:13
cbx33install.py I presume01:14
ograouch01:14
cbx33it still runs01:14
cbx33I'm filing now01:14
ograthanks :)01:14
highvoltageogra: i'm going to mark that bug as resolved then, is that ok?01:14
ograbut make a comment that its solved in dapper, not in breezys iso images01:15
cbx33ogra: filed01:15
cbx33two consecutive bug reports :p01:15
cbx33consequently I can not re run the installer01:16
cbx33I was cancelling to check out juliux's bug01:16
cbx33but looks like I'll wait for it to finish :p01:16
cbx33i could cancel it...but it shoudl be almost over by now :p01:16
ograhighvoltage, i kept 22134 open as a reminder to do these different example lts.conf files01:17
cbx33I have a very funny screenshot to show you01:17
cbx33another bug...me wonders....on the live cd01:18
cbx33shuld I be able to save to the desktop?01:18
highvoltageogra: ok.01:18
cbx33i can save in the ubuntu dir01:18
cbx33but not on the desktop....desired or bug?01:19
ograi just saved one on the Desktop here01:20
cbx33hmmm01:20
cbx33i';ll try it again in a minute01:20
juliuxogra, no problems with installation in vmware01:20
juliuxogra, the system boot without any error01:21
ografine 01:21
juliuxi will check the bug with the worldcard01:21
ogradid the pixel bug persist in your second try ? 01:21
ograah, that was the first one, k01:21
cbx33http://librarian.launchpad.net/2383597/Screenshot-1.png01:22
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cbx33I also don;t seem to be able to re run the installer once I've cancelled it.......it starts to load......then produces nothing....01:24
cbx33I'll reboot the CD and try again01:24
cbx33ok ogra disregard the one about saving tothe desktop....it saved just doesn;t display icon on desktop...i presume that's desired01:25
cbx33want me to mark those bugs as assigned to edubuntu team?01:25
ogranope01:25
ograbut mention edubuntu in the reports (or leave a comment about it)01:26
cbx33ok01:26
cbx33what about the saving to desktop?01:26
ograas i said, WFM01:26
ograit shows up fine here01:26
juliuxogra, its everything fine, no bug in the worlcard01:26
ograok01:26
ogramight have been a vmware thing01:26
cbx33i'll try on a proper machine01:27
juliuxyes i think so01:27
cbx33on subsequent running of the install now, I get the tiny window described in my bug report01:28
cbx33I'll need to burn a CD01:28
cbx33hang on01:28
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juliuxcbx33, i have the someproblem as you01:30
juliuxcbx33, if i click on the x in the installer i get this little window and the install.py is running01:30
ograsounds like a nautilus bug01:30
ograah, i thought the saving01:30
cbx33juliux: :p oh dear01:31
juliuxso now i will burn the image and then i will test it in my desktop pc01:31
=== cbx33 is doing just that
cbx33except I'm gonna test on a laptop01:32
juliuxon my laptop i have no free diskspace ;)01:32
cbx33I have a bout 5 broken laptops I use for testing01:33
lucasvomy laptops are all too slow for the live cd01:36
cbx33well, the best bit about my job is that teachers tend to drop them a lot01:37
lucasvohaha01:37
lucasvoa friend dropped a Powerbook 15"01:37
lucasvothey had to exchange the whole case01:37
lucasvohe had to pay 1200.- CHF01:38
cbx33wow01:38
cbx33yeh see for us it's not worth repairing01:38
cbx33we just get a new one01:38
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cbx33yeh see01:38
lucasvosince then, I always buy 3-years warranty  & servicepack01:39
cbx33yeh01:39
cbx33ogra: sorry this is something that just bugs me...on the edubuntu splash screen, are there plans to clean up the edge of the red top girl?01:41
ogranope01:42
ograthe image is rendered on the fly, you'll see that it sometimes happens and sometimes doent happen01:42
cbx33oh, you mean the gnome one?01:42
cbx33it is a VMWare bug01:43
cbx33confirmed01:43
ogrado you know how gif transparency works  ?01:43
cbx33a little01:43
ograyou ahve one color thats the replacement for transparency 01:43
cbx33yes01:43
ograduring rendering that color is not shown01:43
cbx33ok, I'm just a perfectionist01:44
cbx33and I love smooth AA edges :p01:44
ograthe splash rendering algorithm makes a gif from the transparent png on the fly while the splash is shown01:45
cbx33ah i see01:45
cbx33ok, got another problem for you01:45
ograso that little white edge shows or doesnt ... triggered by cosmic rays or something01:45
cbx33at the lowest res, its impossible for me to install from the live installer01:46
cbx33ogra: I've never seen it smooth :p01:46
ograbut with the chalkboard theme we'll need a new splash anyway :P01:46
ograthe lowest res the liveCd should use is 800x60001:46
ogra(by default)01:46
ograthat should be enough to see everything01:47
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cbx33right, my laptop defaulted to 640x48001:47
juliuxre01:48
cbx33apparently I can't change it either01:48
cbx33thought it has run other linux at res's much higher01:48
cbx33can I just also mention that the system monitor icon is misleading - isn't it the old screen res icon?01:49
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cbx33is the res icon a bug?01:53
ogranope01:53
cbx33ok - what's your opinion on the system monitor icon01:53
highvoltage9/win 1501:56
ogracbx33, its the defult icon from gnome02:04
ograjuliux, you reproduced the install.py hang ?02:10
ogra(with the little grey window staying on screen)02:10
juliuxogra, yes02:10
juliuxjup02:11
ograhave you confirmed cbx33's bug ?02:11
juliuxnot yet 02:11
ograplease do so, Kamion needs input02:11
juliuxi will test it on an other pc, so i can be sure that it isnt vmware02:11
ogra(and mention the version of the cd you are using ;) )02:12
ogradoesnt matter02:12
ograeven if it only happens in vmware its a bug02:12
juliuxcbx33, can you give me the bug number02:12
cbx33yeh sure02:13
cbx33https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/41732/+index02:13
cbx33ogra: can we actually hibernate a live cd?02:13
ograi think so02:13
cbx33presumably only if there is swap space available02:13
ogranot sure though... but it shoulnt brak02:13
cbx33I'll test that too02:14
cbx33ogra: can I force a higher resoultion on a machine?02:14
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ograyou can run sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-org 02:14
ograand try to get a better res.02:15
cbx33ok02:15
ograafter that just log out, it should log you in with a new resolution02:15
cbx33I'm trying it from the boot menu now02:15
cbx33we shall see02:15
ogranah, thats only for the framebuffer02:15
cbx33after that I'll try hibernating02:15
juliuxcbx33, ogra done02:15
cbx33ah ok02:15
cbx33thanks juliux 02:15
ograjuliux, thanks02:16
cbx33was that on a VM?02:16
juliuxyes02:16
juliuxi will test it now on my normal pc02:16
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cbx33funny that VM screws up the desktop saving02:17
cbx33did you confirm that juliux 02:17
cbx33thought it's not a bug02:17
juliuxcbx33, desktop saving?02:17
cbx33save a file ont othe desktop02:18
cbx33does it appear on the desktop02:18
cbx33and not just through a terminal ls -la02:18
cbx33ogra: not sure if it's a bug, I'll ignore for now, just tried doing dpkg reconfigure02:21
juliuxi will try that after bruning the cd02:21
cbx33chose default for all options 02:21
cbx33and it just ckicked me out and relogged me in at monitor detection02:21
cbx33that was with an external monitor attached02:22
cbx33trying with the semi broken screen now02:22
ogrause your alt key to move the window around ;)02:24
cbx33heheh02:24
cbx33i have another laptop with a better graphics chip waiting if this doesn;t work02:24
cbx33ok testing now02:26
cbx33can i access the logs from yesterdays meeting yet?02:27
JaneWcbx33: yes, want me to find the URL for you?02:29
cbx33yes please02:29
ograJaneW, seen that we have the first EC candidate ? :)02:30
JaneWogra: oh?02:31
cbx33oooh who is it02:31
ograjsgotango also expressed interest :)02:31
ograLaserJock02:31
ograsee the mailing list02:31
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JaneWcbx33: I don;t think we have an age restriction02:31
ograyes, i think you need to be a member for some time first 02:31
JaneW(do we?)02:31
JaneWoh young as in NEW02:31
cbx33JaneW: that's the young I menat :p02:31
ograJaneW, for EC ? 02:31
ograJaneW, i'm talking about the two additional council members, not about edubuntu members02:32
JaneWcbx33: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ubuntu-meeting-2006-01-26.html02:33
cbx33confirmed bug on a real machine02:36
cbx33updated bug report juliux 02:38
juliuxcbx33, now i am try it on a non vmware pc02:40
cbx33ok02:42
juliuxcbx33, i confirme it for a normal pc02:45
cbx33excellent...phew at least it's not our screwy VM ware machines02:45
juliuxcbx33, i add a bug comment02:47
juliuxcbx33, there is an other bug02:48
cbx33oh?02:48
juliuxif you kill the install.py form a terminal you get a message that the installation is ready and you should reboot your computer02:48
cbx33hehe02:48
cbx33add it to this one02:48
juliuxi will do02:48
cbx33i would think it's related02:48
cbx33and indeed will probably be fixed a the same time02:49
ograbut not critical02:49
ograsince its your own fault if you kill a backend piece of the program02:49
ograbut worth mentioning it in the bug02:49
cbx33:p02:50
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cbx33but I'm fully prepared for it not to work due to acpi issues02:50
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cbx33when it's actually hibernating, is it supposed to show progress?02:51
juliuxogra, something else to test?02:51
juliuxat the moment?02:51
ogranope02:52
ograunless you have more arches around :)02:52
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cbx33but not the install02:52
juliuxhm i can aks if i can test i on the ibook from a friend02:52
cbx33ogra: is hibernation supposed to show progress?02:52
ograi didnt ihibernate since months, no idea02:53
cbx33ok02:53
cbx33I'm just testing it on the live cd02:53
cbx33ok ogra got a small problem now03:09
cbx33I can't get gnome working now on this machine03:10
cbx33I hibernated and now it seems to be broken03:10
ograhow that ? 03:10
cbx33gonna reboot again...03:10
cbx33well the applet bar and status bar have dissapeared03:10
ogrado you have swap ?03:10
cbx33yes03:10
cbx33it came up like it was gonna ask m a question03:10
cbx33with a box03:10
cbx33titled questions03:11
cbx33then that went and now its frozen03:11
ograbut you see a desktop ?03:11
cbx33trying again03:11
ogra(even a broken one)03:11
cbx33yes03:11
ograor is the screen black ? 03:11
ograok03:11
cbx33it takes bloody ages to come up with the desktop03:11
cbx33and the wallpaper takes even longer03:11
ograthats not the laptop with the broken clock, is it ? 03:12
cbx33um.....possibly, but it booted up fine the first time....i think the time is changed...I can retest it with a better clock time...if I could log in03:13
ograjuliux, did you see that bug ? http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/edubuntu/live-install/Screenshot-Install.png03:17
cbx33ogra: what's that bug about?03:17
ograutf8 breakage03:18
cbx33ah i see03:18
cbx33no, this is busted ogra 03:19
ograthe funny thing is that  seem to work fine, but  is broken03:19
cbx33it's constant trying to read from the CD, not responding.....i can't get it to work at all03:19
ograthats very strange, since its restricted to only one char03:19
cbx33trying to run a top command03:19
juliuxogra, i dont rember but i can check that03:20
ogra<ogra> Mithrandir, id the liveCD supposed to have working hibernate ? 03:20
ogra<Mithrandir> ogra: no, and it won't for dapper.03:20
ogra<ogra> ok03:20
ogracbx33, ^^^^03:20
cbx33ogra: suggest it shuld be removed03:20
cbx33it severly buggers it up03:20
cbx33want me to file a bug.....or is it already a bug?03:21
ogra<Mithrandir> ogra: it should work if you pass resume=$partition, though.03:21
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cbx33ogra: it breaks even when I've done nothing03:22
ogracbx33, probably talk to Mithandrir in -devel :)03:22
cbx33I can't get in there right now03:22
cbx33cgiirc not setup for it03:22
ograoh ? 03:22
ograah03:22
cbx33I suggest that the option is removed03:22
cbx33since it caused severe breakage03:22
cbx33I wasn't trying to do nything clever either03:22
cbx33just cliked hibernate03:22
cbx33and turned it back on03:23
ograhttps://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/casper/+bug/2388203:24
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cbx33I'll send a comment03:27
juliuxogra, there is an other languag bug,  selceted region: 03:27
juliuxogra, and yes i see the bug from your screenshot but in step 6 there is a 03:29
ograthe  is there but there is a little square box 03:31
cbx33ogra: it's put down asa wishlist, but I woudl say this is a severe bug, that the hibernation option should be removed on the live cd?03:32
cbx33because by using it there is a danger that the live cd won;t be able to boot again03:32
cbx33which doesn't look good for us03:33
ogracbx33, it will be sorted, dont worry 03:34
ogra(mdz is subscribed to the bug, he'll push)03:34
cbx33ok i'll comment my findings03:36
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cbx33shall i change bug severity03:38
ograleave that to the dev03:38
cbx33ok03:39
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cbx33ok filed comment03:43
cbx33anything else you need confirming or denying ogra 03:44
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ogranot now, no... thanks for the work :)03:44
cbx33no problem03:44
cbx33just gimme a shout if you do03:44
ograyep, will do :)03:44
cbx33I'll hopefully be drawing up the testing plans sometime this week, early next...03:50
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cbx33ping Bluekuja 03:59
lucasvohi edubuntugirl 04:00
edubuntugirllo, lucasvo!04:00
cbx33hi lucasvo 04:00
lucasvohi cbx33 04:00
lucasvohttp://wservices.ch/~lucas/kunden/cinepassion/ 04:00
lucasvowebdesign is a pita04:00
cbx33it's blocked here04:01
cbx33:p04:01
cbx33I'll have to view it at home04:01
lucasvo?04:01
lucasvowhy that?04:01
cbx33i work in a school04:01
cbx33it's a personal website...as such is blocked04:01
lucasvowhat do they block?04:01
lucasvocan you reach zscjunioren.ch?04:02
cbx33cos they are stupid04:02
lucasvocbx33: so how are you able to reach ogra's bzr branches?04:02
cbx33nope it's blocked04:02
cbx33I do it at home04:02
lucasvolol04:02
lucasvoit's a page for kids04:03
cbx33hahahaha04:03
cbx33I'll request an unblock it's the city council that blocks it04:03
lucasvolaser sailing team switzerland04:03
lucasvoah, ok04:03
lucasvocbx33: do you know css?04:04
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lucasvowb highvoltage 04:09
lucasvo#39765:04:12
lucasvobug #3976504:12
lucasvodon't we have ubugtu?04:12
ogranope04:13
ogranot really necessary for the ~10 bugs we have04:13
ograjuliux, what about you, dont you want to join the edubuntu bugsquad ?04:16
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juliuxogra, should i?04:16
cbx33lucasvo: yes I know CSS04:16
highvoltagelucasvo: thanks04:16
cbx33juliux: you helped out a lot today you should join04:16
cbx33we make a good team :p04:16
juliuxok04:17
cbx33lucasvo: y?04:17
juliuxogra, done04:17
ogra:)04:17
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cbx33w00t :p04:17
juliuxand now i am realy away04:17
cbx33cya juliux 04:18
ogralucasvo, if we hit the 100 edubuntu bugs mark, i'll ask for ubugtu in here04:18
cbx33lets hope it never gets that far04:18
ograit will04:20
ogralets hope it doesnt happen too early :)04:21
cbx33well sure04:21
cbx33ogra: do you have a list of edubuntu specific things that need testing, I'm thinking about the testing plan, if not I can create one04:23
ograthat'd be nice ...04:23
ogratesting ltsp would be good 04:24
cbx33indeed04:24
ograand a short check if schooltool installed correctly and runs as well04:24
cbx33that's on my list, I'll talk to you about this a bit later when I have more in the plan04:24
cbx33indeed04:24
ograadditionally you could ask the tester to do one edu game and to start gcompris one time 04:24
cbx33ok04:25
ogra(beyond the ubuntu standard testing (browse on webpage, open ooo and type some chars in a document))04:25
ogras/on/one/04:25
cbx33I was thinking for the testing team would it a good idea to have testers dedicated to testing certain pacakges on certain archs?04:25
cbx33people who are interested in certain pacakges could then test them extensively04:26
lucasvocbx33: do you know if it is possible to make boxes and turn them in css?04:26
ograyep04:26
cbx33lucasvo: in waht way04:26
cbx33I'll do that, I'll ask for volunteers for the testing team to choose a package they are interested in04:27
ograbut for the testplans: keep them as common as possible ... people not in the team should be able to test the common stuff04:27
lucasvocbx33: I have a picture on the server, but it's blocked04:27
cbx33oh yes definitely04:27
cbx33lucasvo: and what do yo uwant to achieve04:27
cbx33blocked how?04:27
lucasvohttp://wservices.ch/~lucas/kunden/cinepassion/Cinepassion1.gif04:28
cbx33ogra: that's why i was asking for the list of edubuntu software04:28
ograah04:28
cbx33lucasvo: The requested URL /[_X_[_\_\KY was not found on this server.04:28
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cbx33i had to bypass the proxy04:29
lucasvohttp://www.ipzap.com/ipzap.cgi/111010A/http/wservices.ch/~lucas/kunden/cinepassion/Cinepassion1.gif04:30
cbx33ah i see that's the design04:30
lucasvoyes04:30
cbx33and you want to turn that into a website04:30
lucasvoI don't know how I should do it04:30
lucasvoyes04:30
cbx33aloow me 2 secs to familiarise myself04:30
lucasvohttp://www.ipzap.com/ipzap.cgi/111010A/http/wservices.ch/~lucas/kunden/cinepassion/04:30
lucasvothat's what I have done sofar04:31
lucasvobut I would have to use imagemaps in that case04:31
lucasvowhich is crap04:31
cbx33no...no necesaryily04:31
cbx33let me try some thing04:31
lucasvoI have tcp/ip and networking!04:33
lucasvo*hate04:33
lucasvohow am I supposed to set up networking to get ltsp working?04:35
cbx33lucasvo: http://www.progbox.co.uk/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2006/04/Cinepassion2.gif04:37
cbx33can you not chop it up into tables and cells like this04:37
cbx33lucasvo: what's up with the networking?04:37
lucasvothe problem is, for e.g. Film & Kontakt are 2 different links04:38
cbx33hang on04:38
cbx33hh i see04:39
cbx33sorry didn;t notice that before04:39
lucasvonp04:39
lucasvothanks04:39
cbx33right ok04:39
cbx33here's what you could do04:39
cbx33forexample take the film kontact cell as descried04:39
cbx33move the words apart just enough so you could cut it horizontally between the two04:39
lucasvoyeah, I'll look at it04:40
cbx33then put one image above and the other below04:40
cbx33you really wanna speak to my wife :p she's the website designer 04:41
lucasvohow should I set up my servers network cards?04:42
cbx33lucasvo: for the client or the server?04:43
cbx33they just need to be on the same network04:43
lucasvoI have 2 interfaces (one with dhcp and internet access) and one connected to a switch with clients04:43
cbx33ah, I'm not too sure on that one, never done that04:43
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lucasvocurrently I have a livecd in the client to set it up manually 04:43
lucasvobut I didn't manage to ping the machine04:44
lucasvohow can I set up a routing table so it routes all traffic to 192.168.1.0 to eth1 and not to the default gw 192.168.0.1 (which is my adsl-router)04:44
cbx33I'm not sure lucasvo but when you find out...wiki it, unless it's already done04:45
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cbx33right I'm off home04:58
cbx33see y'all later on04:58
ograciao04:58
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jsgotangcohey guys05:08
ograhey jsgotangco 05:10
lucasvohow can I test if my dhcp server is working correctly?05:12
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YagisanG'day all05:25
lucasvohi Yagisan 05:26
Ekusheyg' day05:26
YagisanI see a few new faces, how are things Ekushey ?05:28
EkusheyYagisan: i'm lagging badly :[05:28
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LaserJockmorning edubuntu people!07:12
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highvoltagehi LaserJock 07:15
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edubuntugirldo i count as edubuntu people too?07:16
highvoltageedubuntugirl: i suppose so07:17
edubuntugirlhighvoltage: *blink*07:17
edubuntugirlin that case, hi LaserJock!07:17
Bluekujahi #edubuntu07:21
Bluekuja:)07:21
Bluekujahi highvoltage07:21
LaserJockedubuntugirl: you most definately count ;-)07:21
edubuntugirlLaserJock: huh?07:21
Bluekujahi laserjock07:21
highvoltagehi Bluekuja 07:21
Bluekujahave you seen this page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuSchoolAdvocacy07:22
Bluekujawe (me and pete) are working on it07:22
Bluekujaedubuntugirl: hi 07:23
edubuntugirlhi there, Bluekuja!07:23
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Bluekujaedubuntugirl: how are you?07:23
edubuntugirlBluekuja: I already know stuff about what how are07:23
Bluekujajon she have to learn how are you07:23
Bluekujaeheh07:24
Bluekujaa better one07:24
highvoltageedubuntugirl: how are you is <reply> I'm doing well, and you, %who?07:24
edubuntugirlhighvoltage: I already know stuff about what how are07:24
BluekujaxD07:25
highvoltagehehe07:25
highvoltageedubuntugirl: how are07:25
edubuntugirlhighvoltage: what?07:25
Bluekujahow it is jon?07:25
highvoltagenot too well, but not too bad either, really.07:25
Bluekujahehe07:25
highvoltagei think i just need to get out a bit and see some real people07:25
Bluekujayep^^07:26
magnonelizabot? :P07:26
Bluekujaits that page good?07:26
magnonscary.07:26
highvoltagemagnon: no, no elizabot :)07:28
Bluekujahighvoltage: read?07:29
highvoltageBluekuja: just a minute...07:29
Bluekujaokie07:30
Bluekuja;)07:30
highvoltageBluekuja: very nice content07:30
highvoltageBluekuja: it could be turned into a pamphlet of some kind too07:30
highvoltageBluekuja: although, the language would need a lot of work first, but i don't think that would be a problem ;)07:31
highvoltagewho's blondefriend? someone we know?07:31
Bluekujammm its a pete frend07:32
Bluekujai think07:32
Bluekujawe will open a spedification for that document07:32
Bluekuja*specification07:33
Bluekujaim talking with my website school webmaster to have a space in the school website07:33
Bluekujato public some advocacy material for teachers07:34
Bluekujait would be really nice07:34
Bluekujahighvoltage: you will be available for the cc meeting on 2 may?07:35
highvoltageBluekuja: yep07:35
Bluekujaokie perfect07:35
Bluekujait will be at 23 for us07:36
Bluekujasame as the last one07:36
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Bluekujahi cbx3307:48
Bluekuja:)07:48
cbx33hey Bluekuja 07:48
cbx33how are you07:48
Bluekujareally good man07:48
Bluekujayou?07:48
cbx33yeh good too07:48
Bluekujagood :)07:48
cbx33Bluekuja, I'm getting really bad responce from the IRC server08:08
Bluekujaits open now08:09
Bluekujai was restarting it08:09
Bluekuja^^08:09
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Bluekujacbx33 ,still getting errors?08:11
cbx33no better now08:11
cbx33much better08:11
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LaserJockhmm, the next Edubuntu meeting is still planned for 12:00 UTC?08:14
ograLaserJock, yes, but we should reschedule after talking to JaneW 08:14
cbx33hi LaserJock 08:15
LaserJockhi cbx33, how's it going?08:16
cbx33yeh good08:16
cbx33ping JaneW 08:23
highvoltagecool, edubuntu is mentioned on uncyclopedia: http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu08:52
LaserJockhighvoltage: I love sabdfl's acronym on that page08:55
highvoltageyeah :)08:56
LaserJockman, people have waaay too much time on there hands08:57
highvoltagei think i'll write a page on RicerFS one day when i have too much time.09:07
LaserJockheh09:08
lucasvowhere are these interviews from ubuntu devs?09:09
LaserJockanybody know how to rsync the edubuntu beta isos?09:09
LaserJocklucasvo: http://behindubuntu.org/ ?09:09
lucasvoLaserJock: exactly09:09
cbx33ogra, has a script for that09:10
LaserJockcbx33: yeah, I was trying to go from there but it isn't exactly working09:10
cbx33i had trouble09:11
cbx33you have to download the isos to begin with09:11
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LaserJockbecause the .iso is at release.u.c instead of cdimages.u.c09:11
LaserJockI just keep getting Unknown module 'edubuntu'09:12
highvoltagenah, all that i have is: rsync -a --progress rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/edubuntu/daily/current/dapper-install-i386.iso dapper-install-i386.iso dapper-install-i386.iso09:12
LaserJockhmm, yeah. I was trying to get the Beta at release.u.c09:13
LaserJockmaybe I just just do the daily09:13
LaserJockhmm, the daily seems to work but the beta doesn't :(09:20
=== lucasvo still has problems with navigating through launchpad
lucasvohow can I change the status from a package?09:23
highvoltagelucasvo: launchpad's navigation is terrible! i'm sure it will get better though.09:27
=== cbx33 found it hard to get used to
highvoltagelaunchpad doesn't work well at all even if you have just the slightest ADD09:28
cbx33heheh09:28
highvoltageyou get there and after a mintute of clicking, you forgot why you went there.09:28
LaserJockheh, after a while you just get used to URL navigation09:28
cbx33well you clever peoploe do :p09:29
LaserJockI'm not clever, I just have a hard enough time figuring out the UI that I have to learn the URLs instead09:30
LaserJockMr. Edubuntu has left us :(09:34
cbx33indeed09:34
cbx33off to germany iirc09:34
cbx33hehe09:34
cbx33off across germany09:35
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=== lucasvo has to learn python
LaserJockyeah for Python09:40
lucasvocs-py09:40
LaserJockI really enjoy Python09:41
=== cbx33 needs to do that too
=== cbx33 votes LaserJock to run python masterclasses
lucasvoyeah, that would be cool09:41
LaserJockheh, I don't know much. I would probably just get you guys into trouble09:41
lucasvoLaserJock: I'd like a podcast in itunes09:42
lucasvoso I can put it on the ipod :)09:42
=== lucasvo is already taking berkeley courses
LaserJockbut I am thinking of writing a spec for edgy to get a Python guide in the Ubuntu docs09:42
cbx33oooh nice09:42
crimsunit needs to integrate with diveintopython, then09:42
lucasvohttp://webcast.berkeley.edu/courses/feeds.php09:42
LaserJockcrimsun: exactly09:43
LaserJockI was thinking of trying to get people to contribute code snippets like the Python Cookbook09:43
lucasvocbx33: read this book if you want to learn python: http://www.ibiblio.org/obp/thinkCSpy/09:44
cbx33thanky LaserJock 09:45
LaserJockmy problem has always been, since I'm not a CS person, that I can read the books and learn stuff, but I really never really know what to do with it09:46
cbx33heheh09:46
LaserJockthat is where the Python Cookbook has really helped me09:46
cbx33i suppose I'm the same09:46
LaserJockI can quickly make automated webpages09:47
LaserJockI would have never have thought to do that09:47
LaserJockor putting .ps files together into an animation09:47
lucasvoLaserJock: what do you mean with automated webpages?09:47
cbx33yeh09:47
cbx33you've blown us both away here09:47
crimsunoh yeah? Try http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/09:48
LaserJocklike, I have a python script that makes a webpage out of "ls" so that I just run a script and it updates a webpage with the contents of the directory09:48
crimsunyou'll never think the same about C, C++, and Java again. Really.09:48
cbx33ah i see09:49
Bluekujaedubuntugirl: where is highvoltage?09:49
edubuntugirlBluekuja: gotcha09:49
Bluekujalol09:49
Bluekujanic09:49
Bluekujae09:49
highvoltagejust about to go to bed09:49
highvoltagegoodnight, #edubuntu!09:49
LaserJockbut you can also take data (I'm a scientist, remember) and create a webpage that shows me my data09:49
Bluekujanoo09:49
Bluekujajon09:49
Bluekujajust a moment09:49
cbx33nn jon09:49
cbx33hehehe09:49
highvoltagenight cbx33 09:50
LaserJockcrimsun: do you use a lot of lisp?09:51
crimsunyeah09:54
LaserJockI'd personally like to see something like "Scripting for the Average User: Bash and Python for the rest of us" ;-)09:54
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LaserJockis yellow an edubuntu color?10:26
cbx33you mean mustard10:26
LaserJockmaybe, the livecd bootsplash seems like not exactly the color I would expect10:27
cbx33well,,,,10:28
cbx33i know what you mean10:28
cbx33but that is a bugger to change says ogra10:28
LaserJocki bet10:28
LaserJockthat theme sure is bright ;-)10:34
cbx33heheh10:35
LaserJockhmm, everything in Education is a KDE app10:36
cbx33yup10:36
cbx33and yet we use gnome :p10:36
cbx33edubuntugirl, gnome10:36
edubuntugirlcbx33: I'm not following you...10:36
cbx33edubuntugirl, LaserJock 10:36
edubuntugirlLaserJock is Jordan Mantha10:36
LaserJockhi edubuntugirl 10:38
edubuntugirlhi there, LaserJock!10:38
LaserJockedubuntugirl: how are you?10:38
edubuntugirlLaserJock: I already know stuff about what how are10:38
LaserJocki bet you do10:38
cbx33heheh10:39
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pygio HedgeMage11:18
pygilong time no see 11:18
cbx33bye bye all11:18
HedgeMagehi there :)11:19
pygiHedgeMage: how are you?11:21
HedgeMagenot bad... trying to find someone to help me experiment with an undocumented feature on my cell phone11:21
pygi:-D11:21
pygiwhat about the book thingy? :P11:22
HedgeMagegoing to do the install instructions and test 'em this weekend (have a newbie at my disposal to make sure it makes sense)11:22
pygiokie dokie 11:22
pygiThe workstation install11:22
HedgeMagethe other two are half-written here on my hard drive... thrying to think of things to flesh 'em out11:23
HedgeMageyep11:23
HedgeMagethey're insanely short :P11:23
pygi=P11:23
pygimake the bigger =P11:23
HedgeMagehehe11:23
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pygi_HedgeMage: bah :-/11:26
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pyginight all11:42
LaserJockcya pygi 11:42
HedgeMagenight night pygi 11:43

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