=== jinty [n=jinty@84.Red-83-55-199.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #edubuntu === bimberi [n=bimberi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.bimberi] has joined #edubuntu === Sergi0 [n=serge@ip227-28-166-62.adsl.versatel.nl] has joined #edubuntu [01:22] ogra: still here and have a lill' time? [01:30] Hey guys, I'm trying to watch an mms stream. I see comments on the web about having to use xine or mplayer instead of the default installed totem. Any suggestoins? What about other sites that claim the streams require the Windows Media Player ActiveX control? [01:33] rickw: maybe vlc will run it [01:36] That looks promising. What about plugins for totem? [01:38] rickw: dunno, never tried [01:38] I unfortunately usually break down and use Windows Media Player :( [01:40] vlc will not play the really new ones that use wmv9 [01:41] I've seen reference to getting the w32codecs from PLF (Penguin Liberation Front), but they only seem to have things for Breezy now and I'm using Dapper. Know where I might get PLF for Dapper? [01:42] the w32codecs for breezy are applicable to dapper, too. [01:44] Will they play mms and real player formats? What media player can I use them with? [01:44] mplayer, generally, or kaffeine === Nash_Wolf [n=Nash_Wol@cpe-66-68-229-167.rgv.res.rr.com] has joined #edubuntu === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #edubuntu === edgabaldi [i=nGen@200-208-62-172-mns.cpe.vivax.com.br] has joined #edubuntu === edgabaldi [i=nGen@200-208-62-172-mns.cpe.vivax.com.br] has left #edubuntu [] === Nash_Wolf [n=Nash_Wol@cpe-66-68-229-167.rgv.res.rr.com] has joined #edubuntu === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #edubuntu === superseth [n=smarinel@24-205-231-12.dhcp.snlo.ca.charter.com] has joined #edubuntu === superseth [n=smarinel@24-205-231-12.dhcp.snlo.ca.charter.com] has left #edubuntu [] === vmarks [n=vmarks@64.32.163.97] has joined #edubuntu === zakame [n=zak@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #edubuntu === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu === vmarks [n=vmarks@64.32.163.97] has left #edubuntu [] === mhz [n=mhz_chil@pc-130-84-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@200.106.9.122] has joined #edubuntu === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@200.106.9.122] has joined #edubuntu === superseth [n=smarinel@24-205-231-12.dhcp.snlo.ca.charter.com] has joined #edubuntu === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #edubuntu === LaserJock is now known as LaserJock_away === bimberi [n=bimberi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.bimberi] has joined #edubuntu === Rondom [n=Rondom@mrbg-d9b953ac.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #edubuntu === fxc065 [i=flck0565@70.134.80.196] has joined #edubuntu [08:13] hi is there a pre installed program for the kid to organize schedule? [08:13] like school wise [08:13] i think i ran across that prog but forgot the name === fxc065 [i=flck0565@70.134.80.196] has left #edubuntu [] === jane_ [n=JaneW@dsl-146-141-13.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu [08:22] *yawn* === guim [n=glederer@104.241-200-80.adsl-fix.skynet.be] has joined #edubuntu === cbx33 [n=c2df514b@mail.trinsite.co.uk] has joined #edubuntu [08:53] mornin all [08:54] edubuntugirl cbx33 [08:54] cbx33 is Pete Savage [08:54] edubuntugirl literal cbx33 [08:54] cbx33 =is= the edubuntu general dogsbody - no job too small|Pete Savage|the edubuntu general dogsbody - no job too small [08:55] edubuntugirl, forget cbx33 [08:55] cbx33: You are not authorized to make me forget stuff [08:55] dang it :p [08:55] :) [08:57] ogra: ping [08:59] ogra's not gonna be up yet is he? :p [08:59] he's a late riser :p [09:01] yeah [09:01] i'm sure he'll do a pong-back as soon as he's up [09:01] howz it all going highvoltage [09:02] good, i suppose. [09:02] you suppose? [09:02] hehehh [09:03] yeah. i don't really know. so much has been happening that i really need to take some time to catch up. [09:03] i can't think of any reasons why things are bad, so i can only assume things are good. [09:03] awww.....you do a lot highvoltage and we all appreciate it [09:03] for edubuntu? i hardly get to edubuntu currently. tuxlabs is virtually taking all my time at the moment. [09:04] not that i'm complaining, or anything :) [09:05] whenever things get tough, i just think back of the times i used to work in a computer shop spending all day taking virusses of windows PC's [09:05] few things work-related has been worse than that experience :) [09:05] hehe [09:06] well, my worst work experience was being a web developer, and getting made redundant 1 month before I got married [09:09] that was a tough time, I love my job now, but I'm still looking for a better challenge every now and then [09:15] ouch [09:15] challenge is good, although not always easy [09:16] sorry, i'm not making sense. challenge is never easy, that's why it's called a challenge :) [09:19] hehe === leftist [i=rio@c-24-99-79-225.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #edubuntu === JaneW [n=JaneW@dsl-146-141-13.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === LaserJock_away [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #edubuntu === trondm_gone [i=trondm@developer.skolelinux.no] has joined #edubuntu === Bluekuja [n=bluekuja@host199-235.pool8254.interbusiness.it] has joined #edubuntu === Ekushey [i=blackmor@cyberpunks.gr] has joined #Edubuntu === cbx33 [n=c2df514b@mail.trinsite.co.uk] has joined #edubuntu [09:51] Hi Bluekuja === crimsun [i=crimsun@hacked.org] has joined #edubuntu === Hannes___ [i=hannes@213.186.254.92] has joined #edubuntu [10:07] Bluekuja: ping - I've modified the school advocacy page with some discussion points, would appreciated your feedback, indent it if youwant to make the reading easier :p === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #edubuntu === guim [n=glederer@104.241-200-80.adsl-fix.skynet.be] has joined #edubuntu [10:54] ugh. power failure === edubuntugirl [n=edubuntu@mtngprs7.mtn.co.za] has joined #edubuntu [11:03] morning edubuntugirl [11:08] morning juliux [11:08] hi cbx33 [11:08] things good with you? [11:08] yes [11:09] now yes [11:09] heheh [11:09] i know how to get to the linuxtag in wiesbaden [11:09] w00t [11:09] i will rent a car === highvoltage finds a computer that still runs warty === cbx33 had a computer that ran dos 3 [11:14] it was an 8086 === highvoltage installed DOS 1 on a PC once [11:14] WOW [11:14] I'm impressed [11:14] how old are you highvoltage? === highvoltage also Ran windows 1.01 on a PC once, als a 8086 [11:14] 24. but i enjoy playing with old hardware :) [11:14] and old systems [11:14] it's nice to see how it evolved. [11:14] ah yes, same as me I remember now [11:15] there's quite a few of us that are 24 [11:15] edubuntugirl: highvoltage.age is 24 [11:15] highvoltage: I already know stuff about what highvoltage.age is === B4zzA [n=chevron_@l2-202-89-170-47.arach.net.au] has joined #edubuntu [11:15] edubuntugirl: highvoltage.age ? [11:15] highvoltage.age is 23 [11:15] heheh [11:15] edubuntugirl: FINE. [11:15] ok, be like that. [11:15] edubuntugirl: cbx33.email [11:15] cbx33: I'm not following you... [11:16] edubuntugirl: cbx33.email is debug@silentkeystroke.co.uk [11:16] cbx33: gotcha [11:16] edubuntugirl: cbx33.email [11:16] debug@silentkeystroke.co.uk [11:16] :D === sankarshan [n=sankarsh@202.149.56.110] has joined #edubuntu [11:20] hi sankarshan [11:20] hi highvoltage [11:21] edubuntugirl: ogra.age ? [11:21] juliux: what? [11:21] edubuntugirl: help [11:21] juliux: excuse me? [11:21] edubuntugirl: juliux.email juliux@ubuntu-de.org [11:21] juliux: what? [11:22] edubuntugirl: juliux.email is juliux@ubuntu-de.org [11:22] juliux: okay [11:22] edubuntugirl, juliux.email [11:22] juliux.email is juliux@ubuntu-de.org [11:22] :) [11:22] :D [11:22] i think we need a syntax wiki site for edubuntugirl [11:23] yep [11:23] I've always wanted a bot that's linked up to the package search [11:23] so you could ask for the current version of a pacakge etc [11:23] an bugs [11:23] yeh [11:23] edubuntugirl, ltsp bug [11:23] juliux: what? [11:23] a launchpad bot [11:24] a command line version of launchpad :p [11:24] is that available? [11:24] heh. that's probably not too unlikely. [11:24] cbx33, https://launchpad.net/products/live-installer/+bug/35709 [11:24] probably on it's way. who knows === cbx33 starts to write the spec [11:24] cbx33, sorry the ubuntu bot is missing [11:24] this page explains a bit on edubuntugirl: http://wiki.clug.org.za/wiki/Spinach [11:24] cbx33, the ubuntu bot can bus already [11:24] the one on our LUG channel is called Spinach [11:24] ah right excellent [11:25] extending it to package search would be awesome....I'll write a spec on it [11:26] edubuntugirl: botsnack [11:26] highvoltage: thankyou! [11:26] juliux: does the ubutntu bot know about status of bugs etc? [11:26] cbx33, i think you [11:26] cbx33, test it in #ubuntu [11:26] there's an ubugtu fot that, afaik [11:26] ah i see [11:26] juliux: would do if I could actually move channel [11:27] I'm on cgiirc [11:27] hehe [11:27] only thing I can use at work [11:28] hm you can buy a gprs flatrate ;) [11:28] like highvoltage [11:28] hey, you're running off gprs too edubuntugirl [11:29] highvoltage, what does a gprs flat cost by you? [11:29] i buy 100MB bundles [11:29] they cost R75 [11:29] costs way too much for me [11:29] i can only just support my wife and myself as it is [11:30] in germany you have to pay 40 [11:30] edubuntugirl: exchange 75 ZAR to USD [11:30] it's a lot for me too, but at least it gives me irc and e-mail at home :/ [11:30] EXCHANGE: 500 Can't connect to www.xe.com:80 (Bad hostname 'www.xe.com') [11:30] oh, right. edubuntugirl just has freenode in the /etc/hosts file of the box she's running on [11:31] juliux: how much data does 40 euro buy you? [11:31] R75 is about $12 [11:31] highvoltage, it is a flat rate! [11:31] highvoltage, free traffic and time [11:31] ! [11:31] No idea, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, highvoltage [11:31] geez [11:31] we don't get bandwidth for that cheep in south africa, no matter how you connect. [11:32] hm i have a 100MB Lan connection to the internet [11:32] because i go over the uni into the internet [11:33] and the ubuntu mirrors we have in the local lan ;) [11:33] hmm.. that's probably a 100mbit connection to the uni network, not a 100MB connection to the Internet? [11:33] nice [11:33] highvoltage, the uni has a 622MBit connection to the internet ;) [11:34] the slowest connection is the 100Mbit to my room [11:34] wow [11:34] i have download the dapper beta cd image in 3 minutes [11:34] this is depressing. [11:35] i know === highvoltage considers moving to germany [11:35] edubuntugirl: choose move to germany or not [11:35] but i have only 3GB traffic free for 7days [11:35] I choose not, highvoltage [11:35] :/ [11:35] in south africa, you pay R400 per month for 3GB traffic [11:35] if you use that up, you pay another R400 [11:35] puh [11:36] edubuntugirl: 400/6 [11:36] highvoltage: 66.6666666666667 [11:36] that's about $66 [11:36] and then you have to pay another R250 or so for the line rental [11:36] thats very much [11:37] yeah, especially considering that the average persons salary here is R2000 per month. out telecom monopoly is really, really evil. [11:37] the CEO of Telkom earns about R2000 per minute. [11:37] know i know why mark has so much money ;) [11:37] there's even a hate site for our telkom monopoly: http://www.helkom.co.za/ [11:38] in germany you only get flat rates [11:38] oh, sorry, i lied, this is what the CEO really earns: http://www.helkom.co.za/pages/info.php [11:39] edubuntugirl: 925000/6 [11:39] highvoltage: 154166.666666667 [11:39] still US$154 166 a month, a lot of money. [11:39] yes [11:40] its enough [11:40] a very lot === juliux lives from 500 /month [11:41] me get's about 1200 a month === highvoltage gets less, but gets by [12:16] highvoltage: you living at home or married or involved with :p [12:17] my boss has just given me the OK to attend any edubuntu stuff I need to during work hours :D [12:25] cbx33, cool === jinty [n=jinty@244.Red-83-55-196.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu [12:26] cbx33: nice [12:26] cbx33: my father and i live together (note: i don't live /with/ my parents) [12:27] we pay everything 50/50 [12:28] yeah my smartcard reader is here ;) [12:30] highvoltage: ahh cool [12:30] has Bluekuja trned up yet [12:31] ask edubuntugirl ;) [12:32] edubuntugirl: seen Bluekuja [12:32] Bluekuja was last seen on #edubuntu 36 years, 125 days, 10 hours, 36 minutes and 48 seconds ago, saying: heeh [Thu Jan 1 01:59:59 1970] [12:32] ahhh still that bug [12:32] :p [12:32] ugh. /me should fix that [12:32] yes /you should :p [12:32] hehe [12:38] is it just your local clock settings? [12:40] doesn't seem to be, which is strange [12:40] i remember fixing this before though... [12:40] heheh [12:41] ogra's late up today :p [12:41] must of had a late night [12:41] nah [12:41] hey bud:p [12:41] good day? [12:41] just busy testing the new live isos [12:42] ah the beta2? [12:42] yep [12:42] nice [12:42] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily-live/20060427.1/ [12:42] if you want to test [12:43] ok np [12:43] (primary intrest is the installer) [12:43] ok [12:43] the live installer? [12:43] yep === cbx33 goes to check it out [12:43] downloading now [12:44] its significantly faster (~15 mins/install) [12:44] I hate the way there's a 20Mb difference in the website's size and firefoxes size :p [12:44] oooh === cbx33 is impressed [12:44] I have a VM all setup and ready for your isos [12:44] great [12:44] am i looking for any problems in particular? [12:44] :p [12:45] nope [12:45] just make sure the CD boots and works as expected [12:47] will do boss - did ya see, my boss says I can attend any edubuntu meetings as required [12:47] yeah [12:47] thats very cool :) [12:48] ogra, i will download the image an test it on my two pcs and in vmware [12:49] great, thanks a lot :) [12:49] np === juliux has time today [12:49] and in 4 minutes the iso;9 [12:50] ooh [12:51] 2608KB/sek [12:51] down === jinty [n=jinty@244.Red-83-55-196.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu [12:53] cbx33, finished [12:57] me too [12:59] hi ogra [01:00] ogra, can these bugs be rejected / solved (or otherwise be considered 'done')? [01:00] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gdm/+bug/27885 [01:00] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/ltsp-utils/+bug/22134 [01:01] installing [01:01] hmm [01:01] not sure about the gdm one [01:02] we're not using ltsp-utils are we? [01:02] ltsp-utils is still in main in breezy [01:02] ah i see [01:02] there was a bug in mdz's ltsp package that made it depend on ltsp-utils [01:03] can that not be changed? - spose it's too late now and doesn;'t really matter [01:03] i fixed that with an ltsp upload to breezy-updates, but that indeed isnt on the breezy CD [01:03] does the live cd install create the LTSP root? [01:03] nope [01:03] right ok [01:03] just checking [01:03] it does only the workstation install [01:03] gotcha [01:04] I'm looking forward to the ltsp administration tools [01:04] ogra, there is a bug in the worldcard where you can choose the timezone [01:04] file it please [01:04] ogra: is there a spec for those yet? [01:04] ogra, against espresso? [01:04] ubiquity [01:04] espresso doesnt exist anymore [01:05] ah ok [01:05] juliux: what's the bug? [01:05] cbx33, there was the option to zoom into the worlcard but if i do this i cant see anything on the worldcard only pixels [01:06] oh.... [01:06] I'll retest that...didn't seem to be a problem on mine [01:06] cbx33, the solution was to klick on the back button and then on the next button [01:06] yes [01:07] cbx33, i will test it on two other pcs befor it file a bug [01:07] ogra: might be nice on the progress installer when you click on X for it to ask for confirmation before aborting?? [01:07] just a thought [01:07] juliux, works fine here [01:07] ogra, i will test it again in vmware [01:08] ogra, perhaps it is a bug in vmware ;) [01:08] that was a vmware install ? [01:08] juliux: I'm testing in VMWare :p [01:08] i386 i guess [01:08] yes [01:08] ogra: what do you think about the aborting message? [01:08] the first install from a new system i am allways test in vmware [01:08] cbx33, right ... it does that if you click cancel before the progressbar starts [01:08] juliux: great minds think alike [01:09] so for consistency it should do it in the progressbar mode as well [01:09] file a bug :) [01:09] i think so [01:09] will do [01:09] ogra, i will test it in my second vmware installation [01:10] iling under ubiquity in ubuntu yeh? [01:11] yep [01:12] another bug [01:12] ogra, when would we really be able to solve that bug, when ltsp-utils moves out of main? [01:13] highvoltage, yes, its solved in dapper [01:13] ogra: looks like the install continues even when I have cancelled the progress bar install [01:14] install.py I presume [01:14] ouch [01:14] it still runs [01:14] I'm filing now [01:14] thanks :) [01:14] ogra: i'm going to mark that bug as resolved then, is that ok? [01:15] but make a comment that its solved in dapper, not in breezys iso images [01:15] ogra: filed [01:15] two consecutive bug reports :p [01:16] consequently I can not re run the installer [01:16] I was cancelling to check out juliux's bug [01:16] but looks like I'll wait for it to finish :p [01:16] i could cancel it...but it shoudl be almost over by now :p [01:17] highvoltage, i kept 22134 open as a reminder to do these different example lts.conf files [01:17] I have a very funny screenshot to show you [01:18] another bug...me wonders....on the live cd [01:18] shuld I be able to save to the desktop? [01:18] ogra: ok. [01:18] i can save in the ubuntu dir [01:19] but not on the desktop....desired or bug? [01:20] i just saved one on the Desktop here [01:20] hmmm [01:20] i';ll try it again in a minute [01:20] ogra, no problems with installation in vmware [01:21] ogra, the system boot without any error [01:21] fine [01:21] i will check the bug with the worldcard [01:21] did the pixel bug persist in your second try ? [01:21] ah, that was the first one, k [01:22] http://librarian.launchpad.net/2383597/Screenshot-1.png === cbx33 giggles [01:24] I also don;t seem to be able to re run the installer once I've cancelled it.......it starts to load......then produces nothing.... [01:24] I'll reboot the CD and try again [01:25] ok ogra disregard the one about saving tothe desktop....it saved just doesn;t display icon on desktop...i presume that's desired [01:25] want me to mark those bugs as assigned to edubuntu team? [01:25] nope [01:26] but mention edubuntu in the reports (or leave a comment about it) [01:26] ok [01:26] what about the saving to desktop? [01:26] as i said, WFM [01:26] it shows up fine here [01:26] ogra, its everything fine, no bug in the worlcard [01:26] ok [01:26] might have been a vmware thing [01:27] i'll try on a proper machine [01:27] yes i think so [01:28] on subsequent running of the install now, I get the tiny window described in my bug report [01:28] I'll need to burn a CD [01:28] hang on === B4zzA [n=chevron_@l2-202-89-170-47.arach.net.au] has joined #edubuntu [01:30] cbx33, i have the someproblem as you [01:30] cbx33, if i click on the x in the installer i get this little window and the install.py is running [01:30] sounds like a nautilus bug [01:30] ah, i thought the saving [01:31] juliux: :p oh dear [01:31] so now i will burn the image and then i will test it in my desktop pc === cbx33 is doing just that [01:32] except I'm gonna test on a laptop [01:32] on my laptop i have no free diskspace ;) [01:33] I have a bout 5 broken laptops I use for testing [01:36] my laptops are all too slow for the live cd [01:37] well, the best bit about my job is that teachers tend to drop them a lot [01:37] haha [01:37] a friend dropped a Powerbook 15" [01:37] they had to exchange the whole case [01:38] he had to pay 1200.- CHF [01:38] wow [01:38] yeh see for us it's not worth repairing [01:38] we just get a new one === lucasvo had a broken logic board in an ibook 12", repair: 1200.- price for a new one: 1500.- [01:38] yeh see [01:39] since then, I always buy 3-years warranty & servicepack [01:39] yeh [01:41] ogra: sorry this is something that just bugs me...on the edubuntu splash screen, are there plans to clean up the edge of the red top girl? [01:42] nope [01:42] the image is rendered on the fly, you'll see that it sometimes happens and sometimes doent happen [01:42] oh, you mean the gnome one? [01:43] it is a VMWare bug [01:43] confirmed [01:43] do you know how gif transparency works ? [01:43] a little [01:43] you ahve one color thats the replacement for transparency [01:43] yes [01:43] during rendering that color is not shown [01:44] ok, I'm just a perfectionist [01:44] and I love smooth AA edges :p [01:45] the splash rendering algorithm makes a gif from the transparent png on the fly while the splash is shown [01:45] ah i see [01:45] ok, got another problem for you [01:45] so that little white edge shows or doesnt ... triggered by cosmic rays or something [01:46] at the lowest res, its impossible for me to install from the live installer [01:46] ogra: I've never seen it smooth :p [01:46] but with the chalkboard theme we'll need a new splash anyway :P [01:46] the lowest res the liveCd should use is 800x600 [01:46] (by default) [01:47] that should be enough to see everything === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu [01:47] right, my laptop defaulted to 640x480 [01:48] re [01:48] apparently I can't change it either [01:48] thought it has run other linux at res's much higher [01:49] can I just also mention that the system monitor icon is misleading - isn't it the old screen res icon? === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.207.41.251] has joined #edubuntu [01:53]