[01:07] <Tonio_> Lure: in fact I replaced the second default shortcut for konversation
[01:08] <Tonio_> the first one is alt + left/right
[01:08] <Lure> Tonio_: problem is that first one stopped to worked...
[01:09] <Tonio_> raphink-pbook: kdeprint works for me
[01:09] <Tonio_> Lure: did you look at the config ?
[01:09] <Tonio_> the first one is alt = left/right, and the second is ctrl + page up/down
[01:10] <Tonio_> both are working here
[01:10] <Lure> Tonio_: actually it is Ctrl-Left/Right for primary
[01:10] <Tonio_> lure ?
[01:11] <Tonio_> I don't have the same, let me check
[01:11] <Lure> but it does not work - probably some global override
[01:12] <Tonio_> Lure: you're right
[01:12] <Tonio_> I missed that in kds
[01:14] <Tonio_> Lure: what would you suggest ?
[01:14] <Tonio_> I would probably replace it by alt+left/right maybe
[01:14] <Tonio_> don't know why, but ctrl fails to work
[01:15] <Tonio_> I had alt+arrows on my personnal config
[01:15] <Lure> Tonio_: problem is that there are so many apps and it hard to get them right...
[01:15] <Tonio_> Lure: exactly
[01:16] <Tonio_> well, to me what's important is that the defined shortcut are working as they should
[01:16] <Tonio_> if ctrl+left doesn't work and alt+left works
[01:16] <Tonio_> we probably should replaced that in the config file
[01:16] <Tonio_> agree ?
[01:17] <Tonio_> Lure: anyway I think the konversation'tarball default is set to alt+left/right
[01:17] <Tonio_> don't know how I did to replace that by ctrl.....
[01:18] <Lure> Tonio_: the reported sounded like Ctrl-Left worked for him before... This is why I would maybe check back if this reallly worked before...
[01:18] <Tonio_> Lure: hum.....
[01:18] <Tonio_> Lure: pretty easy to test ;)
[01:19] <Tonio_> Lure: remove any konversationui.rc file on your computer and restart konversation ;)
[01:20] <Tonio_> Lure: I'm back to orig settings
[01:20] <Tonio_> here they are :
[01:20] <Tonio_> ctrl+;alt+left
[01:20] <Tonio_> ctrl+;alt+right
[01:21] <Tonio_> ctrl+ of course cannot work and dosn't work
[01:21] <Tonio_> Lure: I now remember that's the reason I switched to ctrl+left/right
[01:21] <Tonio_> so as it is not the default, if it doesn't work, let's replace it by the old secondary shortcut, which is alt+foo
[01:21] <Tonio_> are you fine with it ?
[01:29] <Tonio_> Lure: okay, I'm now with a new kds and values are working, I will ping raphink-pbook for upload :)
[01:34] <Tonio_> Lure: new kds emailed to raphink, he will upload, so we can consider 41678 as closed
[01:35] <raphink-pbook> night guys
[01:53] <Lure> Tonio_: fine with me
[01:54] <Tonio_> Lure: okay ;)
[01:54] <Tonio_> I saw your work on knetworkconf, very, very nice ;)
[01:56] <Lure> Tonio_: WEP works? I did not test it with WEP AP, just the config layout
[01:57] <Tonio_> Lure: as I told you I cannot test connection, since I don't have wireless here
[01:57] <Tonio_> Lure: I will test when I can do it ;)
[01:58] <Lure> Tonio_: ok, I was not sure if that "s:" prefix is to be there or not, but I suppose this is how text key is differentiated from hex key...
[01:58] <Tonio_> Lure: s: is to be there with an ascii wep key
[01:58] <Tonio_> that's not a bug :)
[01:58] <Lure> Tonio_: we need to fix knetworkconf to cooperate with n-m better - currently it corrupts /e/n/i file and causes crash of n-m :-(
[01:59] <Tonio_> Lure: isn't knetworkmanager ignoring cards whe settings are defined (manually or with knetworkconf) ?
[01:59] <Lure> Tonio_: I just do not know how to fix it properly... ;-( But this is for today (after some sleep) 
[01:59] <Tonio_> Lure: network-manager code ans structure is VERY complex
[02:00] <Tonio_> I don't know if we will be able to change that.......; maybe wait for 0.7 version of nm is the only solution
[07:51] <Hobbsee> what happened to the konv keyboard shortcuts???
[07:56] <Hobbsee> more to the point, why dont ctrl + left or ctrl + right work now?
[08:01] <Hobbsee> er, i'ts alt, and it semi works...two things have been assigned the same key.  great
[02:40] <marseillai_> Riddell: in breezy it was possible to use ioslave zip:/ and tar:/ to open archives in konqueror it seems that it don't works anymore in dapper! (i report this question wich his from kopete-dev wich is just starting to use kubuntu dapper as his daily distribution.)
[02:42] <Riddell> marseillai_: it should be possible but it's not shown by default
[02:43] <marseillai_> Riddell: we have try for several minutes ....
[02:43] <marseillai_> it seems it doesn't work
[02:43] <DarkShock> hi Riddell 
[02:45] <DarkShock> Riddell: how can I make Konqui in Dapper use tar:/ and zip:/ ioslave when clicking on a archive file (i.e doesn't want to open Ark)
[02:46] <Riddell> DarkShock: remove the relevant file from kubuntu-default-settings
[02:47] <DarkShock> Riddell: ok, which file ? =)
[02:48] <Riddell> good question
[02:49] <Riddell>  /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde-profile/default/share/mimelnk/application/*
[02:49] <DarkShock> thank you
[03:16] <Riddell> mornfall: someone has put "discuss https://wiki.kubuntu.org/AdeptScreenshots" on the agenda for tonight's kubuntu meeting, you may wish to comment
[03:19] <Riddell> mornfall: wrong window :)
[03:19] <mornfall> Riddell: dang :)
[03:19] <mornfall> Riddell: sry
[03:19] <Riddell> mornfall: it's a random person (https://launchpad.net/people/mmmarcooo) so I doubt he's going to code anything
[03:20] <Riddell> mornfall: do you think the idea in general has any merit?
[03:20] <Riddell> it seems quite nice to me
[03:21] <mornfall> Riddell: blowing up the extender doesn't IMO make much sense
[03:21] <mornfall> Riddell: in general, i have been planning to put screenshots in the installer detail window
[03:21] <mornfall> Riddell: and in the "details" screen of a package
[03:22] <mornfall> Riddell: "i am not a coder" in the spec
[03:22] <mornfall> Riddell: which means noone is going to do the work
[03:22] <OdyX> mornfall: this a little the ideas of specs...
[03:23] <OdyX> mornfall: users AND coders giving ideas
[03:23] <OdyX> but not necessarily coding
[03:23] <mornfall> OdyX: maybe, but if Riddell doesn't come and tell me i won't ever see the ideas :)
[03:23] <mornfall> OdyX: there is a bug tracker for a reason
[03:24] <OdyX> mornfall: this is no bug...
[03:24] <mornfall> OdyX: right, and that's a reason there is severity wishlist
[03:24] <mornfall> OdyX: in all the bug trackers out there i know
[03:24] <OdyX> mornfall: bug tracker (as mentioned in packaging-guide (AFAIR, during translation) is NOT meant to be a a support for wishes...
[03:25] <mornfall> OdyX: too bad then
[03:25] <Riddell> OdyX: sure it is
[03:25] <mornfall> OdyX: in that case there is no way to report wishes for adept
[03:25] <OdyX> mornfall: wishes in a bugtracker is an error...
[03:25] <mornfall> OdyX: and there won't be, because dealing with 2 bugtrackers is enough for me
[03:25] <Riddell> specs are more planning next 6 months of work
[03:25] <OdyX> Riddell: yeah... OK....
[03:25] <mornfall> OdyX: thanks for telling me, maybe you could also purge out the wishes and explain the users that they should put their wishes into dev/null then
[03:26] <OdyX> mornfall: woops... :-/
[03:26] <mornfall> OdyX: (since there is no other way than bugtracker and that one is wrong, so, that's bad, but yeah)
[03:39] <Riddell> does anyone here use kuickshow?
[03:41] <OdyX> Riddell: default ?
[04:02] <allee> URGENT ;) leaving in ~ 2 hours: LinuxTag and hardware:  no entries for Switch, network cables, WLAN?  Are they still missing?  I can organize some if noone else can (I come by train, so I like to not carry unneeded weight with me ;)
[04:03] <allee> + but I'll do of course before we don't have nothing ;)
[04:06] <Riddell> allee: linuxtag is in 2 hours?
[04:06] <Riddell> isn't it a week away?
[04:07] <allee> Riddell: of course, but I leave the institute and will return after linuxtag.  so no change to pick up hardware
[04:09] <Riddell> allee: I've never been to linuxtag before, so I've no idea what's needed
[04:09] <Riddell> but probably an ethernet hub and cables would be good
[04:09] <allee> Riddell: me too
[04:11] <allee> Okay, I'll try to organize some cables, AP, pcmcia wlan cards (ndiswrapper) and 8 port switch.  When until Tuesday noone else have some, I take them with me by train
[04:12] <Riddell> allee: thanks
[04:13] <Riddell> allee: will you be on the kubuntu stall?
[04:13] <Riddell> yes, you're on the wiki page, cool
[04:13] <allee> Riddell: I'll had what I can collect to wiki later
[04:27] <OdyX> Riddell: is the Kubuntu wiki planned to be "Dapperized" (logo's and CSS) ?
[04:28] <Riddell> OdyX: probably, I need to do the website first then poke heno to update the wiki
[04:28] <OdyX> OK.
[04:28] <OdyX> Riddell: you will be using the logo you gave me ?
[04:29] <OdyX> Riddell: or hold breezy's one ?
[04:29] <Riddell> OdyX: yes
[04:29] <OdyX> OK.
[04:29] <Riddell> OdyX: that one I gave you
[04:29] <OdyX> Fine. Thanks. Take a look on http://remink.tuxfamily.org/kubuntu
[04:31] <Riddell> OdyX: beautiful
[04:31] <OdyX> Riddell: thanks are for Remink.
[04:32] <OdyX> Hi Hobbsee
[04:32] <Hobbsee> meeting in 7 and a half hours, right?
[04:33] <Riddell> 7.5 hours
[04:33] <Hobbsee> gotcha
[04:33] <Riddell> Hobbsee: send out a reminder on the mailing list if you like
[04:33] <Hobbsee> heh...doubt it would make a difference
[04:34] <Hobbsee> seeing as my mailing list stuff seems to be delayed
[04:35] <cmvo> Riddell: Hi! Now that the desktop is so nice and blueish, I wonder if there is a special reason for the kdm and desktop splash to be mostly white?
[04:35] <Riddell> cmvo: artwork questions go to kwwii :)
[04:35] <Riddell> cmvo: as I remember that was something Mark S wanted
[04:36] <Hobbsee> get it back by deleting kdmrc, right?
[04:37] <Hobbsee> or does that kill it too?
[04:37] <Riddell> Hobbsee: kill ksplashrc
[04:37] <OdyX> Hobbsee: dunno, but it's the one with moodin
[04:37] <Riddell> then  ksplash --test
[04:38] <Hobbsee> right, i didnt mean that...but that's neat to know about...
[04:38] <Hobbsee> i actually meant the kdm, i think
[04:38] <Riddell> make sure /etc/kde3/kdmrc points to the kubuntu theme
[04:38] <cmvo> Riddell: Hm, now there are three different backgrounds during startup, black, white and blue.
[04:38] <Hobbsee> well, it doesnt, cos i changed it :P
[04:39] <cmvo> Riddell: If kdm and slash were more blueish, it would be a more uniform look.
[04:40] <Hobbsee> you know, come to think of it, i dont think i've heard much whinging about the artwork recently...
[04:40] <Riddell> cmvo: if I fix /etc/kde3/kdm/backgroundrc to use the same whiteish background that would make it look better
[04:40] <Riddell> Hobbsee: funny how that happens isn't it :)
[04:41] <cmvo> s/slash/splash/
[04:41] <Hobbsee> now maybe the users have just all understood "we're working on it, stop telling us about it", or they actually like it...
[04:41] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:41] <Hobbsee> Riddell: looks like i'm going to get my key signed :D
[04:42] <Riddell> Hobbsee: oh, cool, where at?
[04:42] <Riddell> uniq: kdeedu uploaded, top stuff
[04:42] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ajmitch is planning to come over here for a holiday...we'll probably meet up wiht other sydney people...
[04:42] <Riddell> uniq: remember to include bug numbers in the chanelog (I only remembered after it had uploaded)
[04:44] <Riddell> Hobbsee: rumour has it there was an X problem last night
[04:44] <Hobbsee> ack, right
[04:44] <Riddell> warning has been removed from #ubuntu-devel /topic so I assume it's fixed
[04:44] <cmvo> Riddell: Hm, how about already using the bubbles background for kdm?
[04:45] <Hobbsee> clearly i should start being in #ubuntu-devel as well...
[04:47] <Riddell> cmvo: I wouldn't be against it, but one implementation problem is that we only have a 1600x image of the bubbles so people who's monitors have higher resolutions will be broken
[04:47] <Riddell> Hobbsee: I wouldn't, you'll soon end up on 100 IRC channels if you tke an attitude like that
[04:47] <Hobbsee> :P
[04:48] <Hobbsee> Riddell: 6 on this network, 1 on another, plus any private windows, plus 2 server windows...that enough?
[04:48] <cmvo> Riddell: Feared that :-) The some blueish background with the background color of bubbles?
[04:49] <Lure> Riddell: burning Live CD (rsync was fast!)
[04:52] <cmvo> Riddell: Have you ever seen the "MoodinKDE" splash, that has the fading icons across the screen?
[04:52] <Riddell> cmvo: that's what we use
[04:53] <cmvo> Riddell: But boxed-in in the small window, not a scross the screen.
[04:54] <cmvo> Riddell: s/scross/across/
[04:55] <Riddell> the box is to match the kdm screen
[04:57] <Hobbsee> if i'm not here, then my machine's not booting, and i'll find some other way to get to the meeting....
[04:57] <Riddell> night Hobbsee, see you in the morning
[04:57] <Hobbsee> :P
[04:57] <Hobbsee> morning?  it's already morning...and it's the 28th, which seems warped!
[04:58] <Hobbsee> i'm going to a meeting that's on the 27th, on the day of the 28th, and i've still gotta go sleep!  :P
[04:58] <cmvo> Riddell: I know, but I think the original looks better. Maybe I could try to create a kubuntu version of the original mooding...
[04:58] <cmvo> Hobbsee: That what timezones are for :-)
[04:58] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:00] <yuriy> cmvo: i've used it, it's very nice but I like the new(ish) default kubuntu one too
[05:01] <cmvo> Riddell: Didn't mean to bother you, just some ideas :-)
[05:01] <yuriy> btw, the splash screens get a little glitchy with translucensy on, would that be considered a bug or is it just unsupported?
[05:02] <Riddell> cmvo: ideas are always good.  the artwork is mostly fixed now though with the beta out.  but for dapper+1 all new ideas welcome
[05:03] <Riddell> yuriy: translucensy?
[05:03] <Riddell> yuriy: you mean using pngs with transparent areas?  that's not supported
[05:04] <yuriy> i mean composite engine
[05:04] <yuriy> kompmgr
[05:04] <cmvo> Riddell: It's less for me, but that reviews after the release may complain about a non uniform look.
[05:05] <Riddell> yuriy: ah, no idea if that would work
[05:05] <Riddell> cmvo: sure, poke kwwii all you want, he's the dude for artwork
[05:07] <cmvo> Riddell: Ok, I'll do :-)
[05:07] <cmvo> cd ~
[05:07] <cmvo> sri, wrong window
[05:10] <Lure> Riddell: fix #1: keyboard test field works
[05:11] <Riddell> Lure: yay
[05:11] <Lure> Riddell: and at least parted pages are now in slovene (the rest is not translated yet)
[05:24] <Lure> Riddell: still problems at the end - will add to bug
[05:25] <Lure> (have screenshots)
[05:25] <Riddell> thanks
[05:33] <jpatrick> moin
[05:49] <Lure> Riddell: updated both bug 41680 and bug 41683
[05:49] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 41680 in ubiquity "crash on manual partition when USB disk connected" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/41680
[05:49] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 41683 in ubiquity "manual partitioning problems" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/41683
[06:00] <jpatrick> NOO!!
[06:02] <jpatrick> this time, I'm going to get fired
[06:05] <Riddell> jpatrick: change your default in dput.conf
[06:16] <jpatrick> Riddell: yes, sir
[06:16] <Riddell> jpatrick: what did you do?
[06:17] <jpatrick> Riddell: uploaded koverartist - which was revu-ed
[06:17] <jpatrick> had a copyright, poked upstream, who released new tarball
[06:18] <jpatrick> copyright issue*
[06:44] <OdyX> Don't know if it's enough for reporting a bug... Konqueror's identification is still showing 6.04 and not 6.06
[06:50] <Riddell> OdyX: good point, let me fix
[06:50] <OdyX> Riddell: well... It's not sooo important.. :-/
[06:50] <OdyX> but probably ONE caracter to change somewhere
[06:52] <Riddell> yeah, kdelibs
[06:52] <jpatrick> Riddell: if I was to translate your interview, who do I poke to add a link to the page?
[06:53] <Riddell> jpatrick: seaLne 
[06:53] <jpatrick> groovy
[07:01] <Mez> Riddell: any idea what this is about
[07:02] <Mez> when I try to run adept, I get the error "could not open cache" 
[07:02] <Riddell> Mez: got the latest adept and debtags?
[07:03] <Mez> ii  debtags                                1.5.2ubuntu6                         Enables support for package tags
[07:03] <Mez> ii  adept                                  1.91ubuntu3                          package manager for KDE
[07:03] <Riddell> no, you don't
[07:04] <Mez> known bug?
[07:04] <Mez> updating the system ow... it may take a while
[07:05] <Riddell> yes
[07:08] <Riddell> "user"
[07:09] <Mez> Riddell - I want it to be auto-mounted though
[07:10] <sebas> auto
[07:10] <sebas> :)
[07:10] <Mez> sebas, then that uato mounts it as which user though ?
[07:10] <sebas> That doesn't make a difference for fat32, and the permissions are set by the mountpoint anyway.
[07:11] <sebas> You *can* pass uid and gid though
[07:11] <sebas>  rw,noatime,uid=500,gid=500,user like this
[07:12] <Mez> sebas - it's not defined by the moutn point - as it just resets it to r-x
[07:12] <sebas> If you want even with a umask, although I don't know if it makes sense.
[07:12] <Mez> Riddell: you wouldnt happen to know if Sladen's out on his travels today would you ?
[07:12] <sebas> How can FAT32 have r-x?
[07:12] <Mez> drwxr-xr-x  10 root root 49152 Jan  1  1970 music
[07:13] <sebas> And can you write?
[07:13] <Mez> /dev/hda2 / ext3 rw,errors=remount-ro 0 0
[07:13] <Mez> proc /proc proc rw 0 0
[07:13] <Mez> /sys /sys sysfs rw 0 0
[07:13] <Mez> varrun /var/run tmpfs rw 0 0
[07:13] <Mez> varlock /var/lock tmpfs rw 0 0
[07:13] <Mez> procbususb /proc/bus/usb usbfs rw 0 0
[07:13] <jpatrick> Mez: was in Barcelona last time I talked to him
[07:13] <Mez> udev /dev tmpfs rw 0 0
[07:13] <Mez> devpts /dev/pts devpts rw,gid=5,mode=620 0 0
[07:13] <Mez> devshm /dev/shm tmpfs rw 0 0
[07:13] <Mez> lrm /lib/modules/2.6.15-20-386/volatile tmpfs rw 0 0
[07:13] <Mez> /dev/hdb1 /music vfat rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev 0 0
[07:13] <Mez> jpatrick, I'm sure I saw him on his bike in brum earlier
[07:14] <Mez> sebas - I want to be able to mount on bootup 2 partitions so they're writable by a certain user.
[07:14] <Mez> Guess I'll pass the uid and gid
[07:14] <sebas> Eh, yeah.
[07:16] <Mez> drwxr-xr-x  10 cai  cai  49152 1970-01-01 01:00 music
[07:16] <Mez> that's better
[07:18] <Lure> Riddell: ubiquity install completed and did not corrupt win partition - I think it is good for Beta2
[07:29] <Riddell> Lure: excellent, thanks
[07:30] <Riddell> Lure: reboot button doesn't work?
[07:30] <Lure> no - I have added syslog with error in the bug
[07:30] <Riddell> thanks
[07:31] <Lure> Riddell: now I understand that your (and Kamion's) time was well spent - Ubiquity is really, really cool!
[07:32] <Riddell> well, still a few things to fix before final release :)
[07:33] <Lure> Riddell: I know, but the concept is so cool and I am sure it will be polished by release
[07:33] <robotgeek> what is Ubiquity?
[07:33] <jpatrick> robotgeek: expresso's new name
[07:33] <jjesse> an unfortnate name
[07:33] <jjesse> i don't like it
[07:33] <Riddell> jjesse: why?
[07:34] <jjesse> Espresso seems catchier
[07:34] <jjesse> if catchier is a word
[07:34] <jjesse> what does Ubiquity mean?
[07:35] <Riddell> what does Jonathan mean?  it's just a name
[07:35] <jpatrick> been in many places at once
[07:35] <jpatrick> being*
[07:35] <jjesse> Riddell: nice answer :)
[07:35] <jjesse> i don't know maybe it will grow on me
[07:35] <jpatrick> [[Ubiquity] ] 
[08:02] <Riddell> testers needed 18:59 < pitti> carlos, Riddell: http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/langpacks/ has new langpacks; can you please test them?
[08:10] <jpatrick> ok, translation done, just have to wait for kubuntu-es.org to come back
[08:11] <Riddell> where did it go?
[08:12] <jpatrick> Riddell: we change to Drupal, and we're polishing things up
[08:21] <OdyX> Riddell: these are Rosetta's ?
[08:21] <Riddell> yes, first from rosetta
[08:36] <OdyX> OK.
[08:40] <jpatrick> http://kubuntu-es.org/?q=node/3
[08:40] <jpatrick> ^ seaLne
[09:17] <yuriy> i like the option to subscribe when you comment on a bug :) that was a little annoying before
[09:46] <Tonio_> kubuntu meeting in an hour !!!!!
[09:47] <jpatrick> damn
[09:47] <Riddell> Tonio_: no
[09:47] <Riddell> or is it
[09:47] <Riddell> 2 hours
[09:51] <Tonio_> ho yes excuse me Riddell :)
[09:51] <Tonio_> 23 utc
[09:56] <Tm_T> man I'm broken...
[09:57] <jpatrick> so what's your story?
[09:58] <Tm_T> jpatrick: just ill, in pains, in drugs... and I need sleep =)
[10:00] <OdyX> Riddell: would it be useful to add an item "future of Kubuntu" in today's discussion? relating to sabdfl's last mail ?
[10:01] <Riddell> OdyX: I already have
[10:01] <OdyX> Riddell: OK. Sorry for flood then,
[10:01] <Riddell> 1 line isn't a flood :)
[10:01] <jjesse> can the meeting be earlier :)  its during my run 
[10:01] <Riddell> jjesse: no, there's already a distro meeting and hobbsee needed it "late"
[10:02] <jjesse> oh well, i'll have to run fast then
[10:08] <Riddell> pyqt beta for qt 4 is out, but no \sh to package it
[10:09] <jpatrick> shame :(
[11:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: our meeting was not 23 utc, but 22....
[11:16] <Tonio_> however, previous meeting isn't over, so we have to wait a bit ;)
[11:16] <Riddell> Tonio_: yes, 45 minutes
[11:16] <pygi> Riddell: hi hi
[11:16] <Riddell> date --utc
[11:16] <Riddell> hi pygi 
[11:17] <pygi> I have a question :) Why haven't you gave ideas for SoC, so kubuntu can benefit from projects?
[11:17] <Riddell> pygi: I did, where are you looking?
[11:17] <pygi> well, this?
[11:17] <pygi> http://code.google.com/summerofcode.html
[11:17] <pygi> I mean, more :-P
[11:18] <Riddell> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GoogleSoC2006#head-9e6a838e783a029277db9739d6c0579e6d7d8350
[11:19] <pygi> dah, I was reffering to that :P
[11:19] <pygi> wrong paste, sorry
[11:19] <pygi> that spec for notes is kinda weird =P
[11:20] <Lure> Riddell: what about some stuff from KubuntuFutureIdeas?
[11:21] <Riddell> Lure: any specific suggestions?
[11:21] <Lure> Riddell: grub config tool, kpowersave config tool, LVM config tool
[11:22] <Riddell> doesn't kpowersave have it's own config stuff?
[11:22] <Lure> Riddell: only user specific, not global (which is part of yast2)
[11:23] <raphink> Riddell: is the kubuntu meeting still @ 22 UTC ??
[11:24] <Riddell> added
[11:24] <Riddell> raphink: yes, 35 minutes
[11:24] <raphink> oh so it's at 23 UTC
[11:24] <raphink> ok :)
[11:24] <Lure> raphink: no - UTC 22, GMT 23
[11:24] <raphink> unless I'm wrong with UTC time
[11:24] <raphink> ok
[11:24] <raphink> yes we changed times
[11:24] <raphink> it's summer time now
[11:24] <raphink> I forgot
[11:25] <Riddell> Lure: UTC == GMT (less some leap-seconds)
[11:26] <Lure> Riddell: do you know knetworkconf code? I am strugling with understanding how config files are written 
[11:26] <pygi_> Riddell: I have quite a nice idea for people if they want to do it for SoC , but you won't like it 
[11:26] <Lure> Riddell: true, I meant London time
[11:27] <pygi_> Python IDE with integrated QT/KDE designer 
[11:27] <Lure> and why system-tools-backends is not used...
[11:27] <Riddell> Lure: it doesn't use system-tools backends?
[11:27] <Riddell> Lure: it must do surely
[11:27] <Riddell> Lure: that code is a mess
[11:27] <Lure> Riddell: it looks it has own copy and not Ubuntus (like gnome/xfce)
[11:28] <sebas> Lure: Rewrite it as a guidance module.
[11:28] <pygi> Riddell: thoughts? 
[11:28] <Lure> I am concerned it is old cut&paste from gnome...
[11:28] <Riddell> pygi: hmm, eric/kdevelop already do that?
[11:28] <sebas> I might even have some parsing code for debian style network config files lying around bitrotting :)
[11:28] <Lure> sebas: I am more and more thinking it would be better then trying to fix it...
[11:28] <pygi> Riddell: nah, not integrated enough 
[11:29] <OdyX> Riddell: UTC == GMT but not in summer-time... 
[11:29] <Lure> sebas: particularly as .pl is hard to read (at least 5 years since I used perl)
[11:30] <Lure> sebas: there is just this really annoying bug and then I think we can be stable for dapper, but I will add to KubuntuFeatureIdeas proposal for network config tool (with WPA)
[11:42] <pygi> night
[11:42] <jpatrick> pygi: night
[11:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: should we start now or will we wait for 23 utc ?
[11:44] <OdyX> Tonio_: wait for me.. :D
[11:44] <Tonio_> OdyX: ;)
[11:49] <jpatrick> Tonio_: I'm off
[11:50] <jpatrick> i knew it was too late...
[11:52] <Tonio_> jpatrick: :(
[11:52] <jpatrick> it's now midnight here
[11:52] <jpatrick> and exam tomorrow (and no studying done :/ )
[11:53] <yuriy> midnight's too early to study
[11:54] <Tonio_> jpatrick: it looks like nobody's here for the meeting
[11:55] <Tonio_> jpatrick: even the guys for whom we placed it that late, like freeflying or hobbsee......
[11:57] <ajmitch_> morning
[11:57] <Lure> Tonio_: Hobbsee joins on time (alarm clock) ;-)
[11:57] <Lure> ajmitch_: morning (for me in 5 minutes) ;-)
[11:59] <Tonio_> Lure: ah ;)
[11:59] <Tonio_> ajmitch_: morning
[11:59] <Hobbsee> morning all
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