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| mdke | LaserJock, the book has been shipped | 12:36 |
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| LaserJock | mdke: beautiful | 12:37 |
| mdke | LaserJock, didn't I order it only yesterday? That's fricking fast | 12:40 |
| LaserJock | mdke: yes, it is | 12:40 |
| mdke | cool | 12:40 |
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| LaserJock | mdke: playing -devel police again? ;-) | 12:53 |
| mdke | tell me I'm wrong | 12:53 |
| mdke | those goddam spammers | 12:53 |
| LaserJock | it is amazing how fast a converstation can spiral down into a grudge match | 12:55 |
| mdke | yeah | 12:55 |
| mdke | it is a good time to propose my mailing list guidelines | 12:55 |
| === mdke goes to have another look at them | ||
| LaserJock | one of the reasons I don't like MLs so much is then tend to be combative and I never really know if what I'm saying is OT or not. They seem to have no rules other than what somebody flames you about. | 12:57 |
| mdke | tell me what you think of these: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Listiquette?action=show | 12:57 |
| LaserJock | that stupid ReplyTo-List thing always gets me | 12:59 |
| LaserJock | I've never used an email client that had it :( | 12:59 |
| mdke | you suck! | 12:59 |
| mdke | your punishment for using a sucky email client is to manually edit the reply fields | 01:00 |
| LaserJock | I've used Gmail, Thunderbird, and pine | 01:00 |
| LaserJock | I think they are fairly standard | 01:00 |
| mdke | well, reply-to-all is certainly not the right way to do it | 01:01 |
| LaserJock | I don't understand why they don't have a ReplyTo-List, it makes perfect sense to me | 01:01 |
| mdke | I'm happy to set reply-to fields for mailing lists, but replying to all is horrible | 01:01 |
| LaserJock | yeah, I have to remember to adjust *every* email :( | 01:02 |
| LaserJock | I like the page though. | 01:02 |
| LaserJock | The only thing that I think needs work after that page is the list descriptions | 01:03 |
| mdke | you mean on https://lists.ubuntu.com ? | 01:04 |
| LaserJock | ubuntu-devel is "Ubuntu Developer Discussion" | 01:04 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 01:04 |
| mdke | yes, that's a very good point | 01:04 |
| LaserJock | that is one of my biggest problems is I think people don't really understand the purpose of the lists | 01:04 |
| LaserJock | man, I need to stop editing my sentences half way through | 01:05 |
| LaserJock | I think a lot of people would take ubuntu-devel to be about anything about dapper | 01:06 |
| mdke | yes | 01:06 |
| LaserJock | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InternetRelayChat has some good info | 01:07 |
| LaserJock | maybe if the descriptions had a bit more to them | 01:08 |
| mdke | I agree, absolutely | 01:08 |
| LaserJock | do maybe we should have a UbuntuMailingList page similar to that IRC or make a page that includes both (so you get the channel and ML) | 01:11 |
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| mdke | these things should all be on the website anyway, rather than the wiki, IMO | 01:11 |
| LaserJock | yes, yes. I agree. I just don't know how they would get done | 01:12 |
| mdke | well, we will be getting a new webmaster soon, they will no doubt wish to tackle the website structure | 01:12 |
| LaserJock | who is the current webmaster? henrick? | 01:13 |
| mdke | henrik, yes | 01:13 |
| LaserJock | are any doc team members Canonical employees? | 01:15 |
| mdke | well, it depends what you mean by members | 01:16 |
| mdke | henrik and mpt are employees, and are fairly active | 01:16 |
| mdke | no one with commit access though | 01:16 |
| LaserJock | ah | 01:17 |
| LaserJock | I'm always curious to see who is a Canonical person and who isn't. | 01:17 |
| mdke | heh | 01:17 |
| mdke | you have to become a Canonical employee to find out, like the Masons | 01:18 |
| LaserJock | in MOTU I think we only have 1 or 2 | 01:18 |
| LaserJock | heh | 01:18 |
| LaserJock | I could always ping sabdfl and ask him ;-) | 01:18 |
| mdke | in fact even they don't know all the time | 01:18 |
| LaserJock | I bet | 01:18 |
| LaserJock | well, I know there is a new QA person in Montreal | 01:19 |
| mdke | yes | 01:20 |
| LaserJock | but with this Kubuntu-de stuff I got to wondering what people Canonical had working on Ubuntu | 01:20 |
| mdke | there must be about 10 of em, I guess | 01:21 |
| LaserJock | I would think mostly in the core-dev area | 01:22 |
| mdke | well, every canonical person working on Ubuntu is in the core-dev area, by definition, I'd say | 01:23 |
| LaserJock | perhaps | 01:24 |
| mdke | well, maybe not jdub | 01:24 |
| LaserJock | it gets pretty muddy for me though. like JaneW | 01:25 |
| LaserJock | she is in the ubuntu-drivers team | 01:25 |
| LaserJock | which makes sense | 01:25 |
| mdke | yah, good point | 01:25 |
| LaserJock | it would be fun to see an organizational chart, but don't think I can expect that from a business | 01:26 |
| LaserJock | I don't know that they usually publish such things | 01:26 |
| mdke | probly not | 01:27 |
| LaserJock | hmm, sometimes I wish we could do bans/kicks on MLs ;-) | 01:28 |
| LaserJock | I'd probably get banned if we could so I better shut up | 01:29 |
| mdke | heh | 01:30 |
| LaserJock | I just sent an email to edubuntu-devel. Hopefully it is ok. | 01:31 |
| LaserJock | they are looking to start an edubuntu council to approve members (I think Kubuntu is doing something similar) | 01:32 |
| mdke | interesting | 01:32 |
| mdke | I hope it sticks to members, and doesn't decentralise anything else from the regular CC | 01:33 |
| LaserJock | at this point no, but I'm not sure in the futur after Mark's Kubuntu email | 01:33 |
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| LaserJock | I don't see why Edubuntu would need to | 01:33 |
| mdke | ok, bed for me | 01:33 |
| mdke | night | 01:34 |
| LaserJock | cya mdke | 01:34 |
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| LaserJock | mdke: you did the Ubuntu Desktop Guide, right? | 01:34 |
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| jsgAFK | hey klepas | 01:53 |
| klepas | moin | 01:55 |
| LaserJock | hi klepas and jsgAFK | 01:57 |
| jsgAFK | hey | 01:59 |
| klepas | moin moin | 02:21 |
| klepas | what's doing? | 02:21 |
| robotgeek | howdy klepas | 02:21 |
| mpt | mdke, it's no secret that Canonical has about 50 employees <http://www.digitalsy.org.uk/eskillsdocs/Ubuntu%20Presentation.pdf>, of which about 20 work on Ubuntu and 1 works on Kubuntu | 02:55 |
| mpt | and from attending the Launchpad meetings you can see that there are about 15 of us in the Launchpad team | 02:57 |
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| jsgotangco | heh i couldnt scrollback in irssi i dunno what's the fuss | 03:33 |
| jsgotangco | mpt: yeah and there are a good number of admin and business development people too not really visible on irc | 03:33 |
| mpt | yes | 03:34 |
| Burgundavia | what are we talking about? | 03:35 |
| mpt | Canonical employees, Burgundavia | 03:35 |
| Burgundavia | ah | 03:35 |
| Burgundavia | yes, malcolm and janes are not on irc at all | 03:36 |
| mpt | They are, just not on public channels | 03:36 |
| Burgundavia | ah, they are on #canonical? | 03:36 |
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| Burgundavia | mdke: did you see that flashplugin-nonfree seems to be fixed? | 04:45 |
| crimsun | yes, the previous fubar is my fault, sorry. | 04:47 |
| Burgundavia | crimsun: that you are working on it is good. thanks | 04:53 |
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| Madpilot | hi all | 06:21 |
| klepas | ahoy | 06:21 |
| Madpilot | hi klepas | 06:21 |
| Madpilot | klepas, have you see the mockup Matt East did of the covers w/ Lulu's automatic handling of titles? | 06:23 |
| klepas | no | 06:24 |
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| Madpilot | just a sec, I'll put it up on the web | 06:24 |
| klepas | thanks :) | 06:24 |
| Madpilot | it's... not as nice as I'd hoped it would be - but we need the automated title generation for for all the translated versions | 06:25 |
| Madpilot | http://www.warbard.ca/temp/289954_cover_large.jpg | 06:25 |
| Madpilot | getting rid of the text I added is easy enough, I'm just not too happy with the placement of what Lulu's added | 06:26 |
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| Madpilot | klepas, just for comparision, here's the cover page at full size and before Lulu dumps stuff on it: http://www.warbard.ca/temp/Ubuntu_Lulu_cover_draft_CQsize.png | 06:36 |
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| Madpilot | Burgundavia, flaky hotel wireless? | 06:56 |
| Burgundavia | no, crashy beta install | 06:57 |
| Burgundavia | it can only be a bad install, to explain all the random errors I came getting | 06:57 |
| Madpilot | or you've dropped your laptop once too often :P | 06:59 |
| klepas | ah, crud. | 07:00 |
| klepas | severe lag | 07:00 |
| robitaille | did the laptop got x-rayed at an airport recently? | 07:00 |
| klepas | sorry | 07:00 |
| Burgundavia | robitaille: no, I teleported to OK... | 07:00 |
| klepas | Madpilot: i had some different ideas | 07:00 |
| Burgundavia | the crashiness happened the night before I left | 07:00 |
| klepas | i'll send them to you soon | 07:00 |
| klepas | give me another day or so | 07:00 |
| Burgundavia | ;) | 07:01 |
| Madpilot | klepas, sure - do you want me to put the SVGs of my work up? (it's all done in Inkscape so far) | 07:01 |
| Burgundavia | wow, hotel television has 4 different channels filled with gov't people babbing on, including cpan and cpan2 | 07:03 |
| robotgeek | usually the most uninteresting thing going on | 07:03 |
| robotgeek | sometimes can be interesting though :P | 07:03 |
| Burgundavia | actually right now senate digital committee is talking about sateillite radio and licensing costs | 07:04 |
| Madpilot | and whether Howard Stern should be censored on sat radio too? :P | 07:05 |
| Burgundavia | no, just licensing on XM and Sirius | 07:05 |
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| Madpilot | wow, big SVGs eat RAM - I was up to 94% usage, 6% cache, with four of the big covers open at once in Inkscape... | 07:14 |
| Madpilot | that's 94% of 1Gb, too... | 07:14 |
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| Burgundavia | ok, US senators are morons. They are going to remove the right to time shift | 07:27 |
| Burgundavia | the xm guy is arguing that the ipod or xm receiver is no different then a vcr or a tape deck, which nobody else in the room seems to get | 07:27 |
| klepas | Madpilot: sure | 07:28 |
| Madpilot | klepas, just a moment | 07:30 |
| Burgundavia | night all | 07:32 |
| Madpilot | night Burgundavia | 07:33 |
| Madpilot | klepas - and anyone else interested: http://www.warbard.ca/temp/Ubuntu_SVG/ | 07:33 |
| klepas | what i have in mind is quite different | 07:36 |
| Madpilot | klepas, cool - get some mockups together - are you on the docteam's mailing list? | 07:38 |
| Madpilot | Burgundavia, before you go: http://www.eff.org/IP/DRM/piratead/CEA_ad.png | 07:39 |
| klepas | Madpilot: yes | 07:39 |
| klepas | but far away from home at the moment | 07:40 |
| klepas | i don't have access to the email account i use for the mailing lists | 07:40 |
| Madpilot | klepas, I don't think there's any massive hurry - we've still got a month before Dapper releases, after all | 07:40 |
| klepas | sure | 07:40 |
| klepas | well i get back on Saturday | 07:41 |
| klepas | i've got some other deadlines though before then and right after | 07:41 |
| klepas | so you're looking at maybe a week | 07:41 |
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| robotgeek | poningru: you added EasyUbuntu to the wiki page on restricted formats | 08:36 |
| robotgeek | poningru: that's a bad thing to do, as Easyubuntu is definetly not ready/safe/etc to be recommended on that page | 08:37 |
| robotgeek | as one of the primary developers on EasyUbuntu, i know :P | 08:37 |
| mdke | morning | 09:12 |
| robotgeek | morning mdke | 09:12 |
| Madpilot | hi mdke | 09:12 |
| mdke | Madpilot, you think we need to use automatic title generation for the covers? | 09:12 |
| Madpilot | mdke, if we want to have all the translations available to publish, I think we do - hopefully they can be made less ugly, though... | 09:13 |
| mdke | well, I'd envisage only publishing the complete translations, dunno how many there will be | 09:14 |
| mdke | a fair number | 09:14 |
| mdke | but we can't change what lulu does with the text at all, I think, certainly not in terms of position | 09:14 |
| Madpilot | too bad | 09:14 |
| mdke | so if we want any control, we need to do the text ourselves | 09:14 |
| mdke | mpt, wow, as much as 20. Cool. However "1 works on kubuntu" isn't right at all, because all developers who don't work on gnome also work on kubuntu | 09:17 |
| Madpilot | hmm - anyone know enough scripting to change SVGs with some semi-automatic tool? They are ultimately XML, after all, and I think inkscape can produce PNGs from SVGs from the command line... | 09:18 |
| robotgeek | Madpilot: what you need? | 09:19 |
| Madpilot | robotgeek, I'm imagining some way of getting nice looking translated covers for the Lulu printing | 09:19 |
| mpt | mdke, only in the same sense that they "work on" Xubuntu | 09:20 |
| mpt | Kubuntu, Xubuntu, Edubuntu, etc benefit from their work, certainly | 09:20 |
| mpt | Actually, ogra works specifically on Edubuntu as well | 09:20 |
| mdke | mpt, yes, in that sense. | 09:20 |
| Madpilot | robotgeek, something that takes the translated strings from our docbook xml, sticks it into the SVG, then outputs a PNG from the SVG for lulu to use... | 09:20 |
| mdke | mpt, that's the same sense in which they work on Ubuntu, too | 09:21 |
| robotgeek | Madpilot: only for the title? | 09:21 |
| Madpilot | robotgeek, title of each guide, and translation of "Ubuntu Documentation Team" - that's all that is on the covers, currently | 09:22 |
| mpt | mdke, I think most of them would disagree, but I haven't asked them. | 09:26 |
| mdke | Madpilot, how long does it take to change the text manually? | 09:29 |
| Madpilot | mdke, not long, but if we've got six guides in dozens of translations each, that adds up | 09:30 |
| mdke | well, 4 guides | 09:30 |
| mdke | but i have to get those translations manually anyway when uploading the book, so. | 09:31 |
| robotgeek | Madpilot: i'll try and see if i can whip up a python script tommorow, gotta hit bed now | 09:32 |
| Madpilot | robotgeek, that would be cool - talk to you later | 09:32 |
| Madpilot | mdke, how much of the translation -> Lulu process is actually manual right now? | 09:32 |
| mdke | Madpilot, well, since it is a web dialogue, it is all manual | 09:33 |
| mdke | you go through various steps uploading the files and inserting descriptions and so on | 09:33 |
| mdke | Madpilot, did I understand the question right? | 09:37 |
| Madpilot | yeah - was afk for a moment | 09:38 |
| Madpilot | having to fire up Inkscape & manually edit the SVGs again would add another couple of steps to the process | 09:40 |
| Madpilot | that's why I was wondering about some sort of scripting for it | 09:40 |
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| Madpilot | when did you drop off? | 09:46 |
| mdke | "was afk for a moment" | 09:46 |
| Madpilot | big netsplit | 09:46 |
| Madpilot | having to fire up Inkscape & manually edit the SVGs again would add another couple of steps to the process | 09:46 |
| Madpilot | having to fire up Inkscape & manually edit the SVGs again would add another couple of steps to the process | 09:46 |
| mdke | yes | 09:48 |
| mdke | Madpilot, about the trimming at the top: is it tricky to move the logos down a bit? | 09:48 |
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| mdke | it's a small point | 09:50 |
| mdke | gtg, see ya later | 09:51 |
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| mdke | evening | 05:55 |
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| keith | does anyone know the default CUPS admin id and password? root and it's password does not work | 06:12 |
| keith | running 5.10 | 06:13 |
| mdke | keith, you might try #ubuntu for support questions | 06:13 |
| mdke | or the forums/wiki etc | 06:13 |
| keith | thanks | 06:13 |
| keith | if I find it, it should be documented | 06:13 |
| keith | later.... | 06:13 |
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| LaserJock | morning doc people | 07:05 |
| mdke | morning laserman | 07:07 |
| LaserJock | did I miss a doc team meeting recently? | 07:08 |
| mdke | no, we haven't had one for ages | 07:08 |
| LaserJock | ok, I've been so busy that I have forgotten to check the fridge for a while | 07:10 |
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| mdke | jjesse: ping | 09:51 |
| jjesse | mdke: pong :) | 09:52 |
| mdke | jjesse: I can't send you emails so I couldn't reply to you today | 09:53 |
| jjesse | mdke: just to me? | 09:53 |
| jjesse | problems sending meail | 09:53 |
| mdke | yeah, they come back | 09:53 |
| mdke | jjesse: to log on, do "ssh doc.ubuntu.com" then enter your password | 09:53 |
| jjesse | mdke: wierd i'll look into it, wondered why my email was so slow :( | 09:53 |
| mdke | it has happened to me twice now in the last couple of weeks | 09:54 |
| mdke | change the password to something reasonably secure after you login with the command "passwd" | 09:55 |
| LaserJock | hurry jjesse hurry, before the MS spies get in! ;-) | 09:57 |
| jjesse | lol :) | 09:58 |
| LaserJock | they know that we hold the secrets to Bug #1 ;-) | 09:59 |
| jjesse | mdke: thanks got it | 09:59 |
| LaserJock | mdke: should I send an email to bzrgrp members to tell them how to get the repo etc. | 10:00 |
| jjesse | now all i need to figure out how to check things out :) | 10:00 |
| LaserJock | lol | 10:00 |
| LaserJock | jjesse: what version of bzr do you have? | 10:01 |
| jjesse | should it be bzr ng? | 10:02 |
| jjesse | 0.8pre | 10:02 |
| LaserJock | no bazaar-ng is bzr, regular old bazaar is call baz, I think | 10:02 |
| LaserJock | jjesse: ok, so you can use the repo in 2 different ways, one that is svn-like (with bzr checkout) and one that is bzr-like (bzr branch) | 10:03 |
| LaserJock | jjesse: are you doing this over dialup? | 10:03 |
| jjesse | LaserJock: currently at work | 10:04 |
| jjesse | t-1 | 10:04 |
| LaserJock | ok, I was going to say that you could also download a tarball of the repo, but it is still 57MB | 10:05 |
| LaserJock | jjesse: the fastest way to get a branch right now is to just rsync it | 10:07 |
| LaserJock | the location is /srv/doc.ubuntu.com/www/bzr/ | 10:07 |
| jjesse | just type bzr branch /srv/doc.ubuntu.com/www/bzr/ ? | 10:08 |
| LaserJock | jjesse: umm, to start with try bzr branch sftp://<username>@doc.ubuntu.com/srv/doc.ubuntu.com/www/bzr/ ubuntu-doc-bzr | 10:12 |
| LaserJock | ack, but that might not work because of a password bug in bzr if you don't have ssh keys set up | 10:12 |
| LaserJock | for the slowest, but surest method just do bzr branch http://doc.ubuntu.com/bzr/ ubuntu-doc-bzr | 10:13 |
| LaserJock | or faster would be rsync -avrz -e "ssh" ubuntu-doc-bzr <username>@doc.ubuntu.com:/srv/doc.ubuntu.com/www/bzr/ | 10:15 |
| LaserJock | one of the problems I see right now with bzr is that there are soo many ways of doing basically the same thing | 10:16 |
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| jjesse | best place to learn about setting up ssh keys? | 10:18 |
| jjesse | hmm cause bzr branch sftp://jjesse@doc.ubuntu.com/www/bzr/ ubuntu-doc-bzr asks for a password but displays it in clear text? | 10:19 |
| LaserJock | jjesse: yeah, that is a bzr bug ATM | 10:19 |
| LaserJock | jjesse: I used http://www.arches.uga.edu/~pkeck/ssh/ for help with setting up ssh key | 10:20 |
| LaserJock | jjesse: I did that yesterday :-) | 10:20 |
| mdke | also wiki:SSHHowto | 10:20 |
| mdke | LaserJock: yeah maybe some links to some bzr4newbies docs | 10:20 |
| LaserJock | mdke: yeah, unfortunately most of all the docs I could find were about using bzr locally | 10:21 |
| LaserJock | mdke: I'll try to scare some up and send an email out with as much info as I can find, or maybe a wiki page might be better | 10:21 |
| mdke | coolio | 10:22 |
| LaserJock | hmm, I don't really see any docs on the wiki about bzr usage | 10:23 |
| jjesse | maybe on the launchpad wiki? | 10:24 |
| LaserJock | I know that bazaar-vcs.org has a wiki, but it isn't exactly the most user friendly in my experience | 10:24 |
| mdke | they have their own wiki | 10:24 |
| LaserJock | it seems to be more for their development use than for users to some degree | 10:24 |
| mdke | if it isn't user friendly, you should tell jblack, I think it's his job | 10:24 |
| LaserJock | a lot of the pages don't apply to the current versions | 10:24 |
| LaserJock | and some of the newer features don't seem to be on there, and as I said before, most of it seems to be geared towards local use | 10:26 |
| LaserJock | jjesse: the fastest way to get the branch if you want to do that (instead of the checkout) would be to do the rsync | 10:29 |
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| mdke | LaserJock: btw you haven't replied to the patch email from jpatrick yet, at least on list | 11:50 |
| LaserJock | mdke: ah, thanks for reminding me. I talked to him on irc but maybe I should send an email also | 11:51 |
| LaserJock | I'd like to get people thinking about what they want to do with the PG and forumlate a plan before we start sending diffs | 11:52 |
| mdke | sure, I'm not sure if he was aware of string freeze or not | 11:53 |
| LaserJock | mdke: I think so, I think he was starting on edgy ;-) | 11:53 |
| mdke | cool, good enthusiasm :) | 11:54 |
| mdke | ooh | 11:54 |
| mdke | fullscreen gnome-terminal is cool | 11:54 |
| LaserJock | yeah, with the PG it is hard because all the devs were working hard when we were trying to do the docs | 11:54 |
| LaserJock | so it was hard to get help | 11:54 |
| mdke | yeah, understood | 11:55 |
| LaserJock | mdke: how so? | 11:55 |
| mdke | well, it's just cool | 11:55 |
| mdke | i use irssi for irc, and having it in full screen is great | 11:55 |
| LaserJock | heh, welcome to my world | 11:55 |
| mdke | i'll do a screenie | 11:55 |
| mdke | http://mdke.org/images/gnome-terminal.png | 11:56 |
| LaserJock | anymore I just live in terminals, screen, irssi, mutt, chroots/pbuilder for building packages, vim for editing stuff | 11:56 |
| mdke | and I can just keep one workspace completely like this, and flick into it with alt+ctrl mmmmm | 11:56 |
| mdke | no panels, no window bars, great | 11:56 |
| LaserJock | yep | 11:56 |
| mdke | and gnome-terminal is so much faster now, thank god | 11:57 |
| LaserJock | I haven't gone to full screen yet on my iMac because there aren't different desktops :( | 11:57 |
| LaserJock | mdke: is that the default irssi theme? | 11:58 |
| mdke | yes, with the occasional tweak | 11:58 |
| mdke | i played with the statusbar a bit | 11:58 |
| LaserJock | i've been trying to find a good theme | 11:58 |
| LaserJock | If I can only get mutt working (or rather me working with mutt) then I'd be set | 12:01 |
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| LaserJock | well, I'd probably use it if I was ever actually at my Ubuntu box :( | 12:02 |
| === mdke pats Ubuntu | ||
| LaserJock | heh | 12:02 |
| LaserJock | I actually got my Ubuntu box at home set up with Dapper Beta on a clean hard drive | 12:03 |
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