=== lakin [n=lakin@S01060013101832ce.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:36] LaserJock, the book has been shipped [12:37] mdke: beautiful [12:40] LaserJock, didn't I order it only yesterday? That's fricking fast [12:40] mdke: yes, it is [12:40] cool === poningru__ [n=poningru@ip68-226-0-76.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:53] mdke: playing -devel police again? ;-) [12:53] tell me I'm wrong [12:53] those goddam spammers [12:55] it is amazing how fast a converstation can spiral down into a grudge match [12:55] yeah [12:55] it is a good time to propose my mailing list guidelines === mdke goes to have another look at them [12:57] one of the reasons I don't like MLs so much is then tend to be combative and I never really know if what I'm saying is OT or not. They seem to have no rules other than what somebody flames you about. [12:57] tell me what you think of these: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Listiquette?action=show [12:59] that stupid ReplyTo-List thing always gets me [12:59] I've never used an email client that had it :( [12:59] you suck! [01:00] your punishment for using a sucky email client is to manually edit the reply fields [01:00] I've used Gmail, Thunderbird, and pine [01:00] I think they are fairly standard [01:01] well, reply-to-all is certainly not the right way to do it [01:01] I don't understand why they don't have a ReplyTo-List, it makes perfect sense to me [01:01] I'm happy to set reply-to fields for mailing lists, but replying to all is horrible [01:02] yeah, I have to remember to adjust *every* email :( [01:02] I like the page though. [01:03] The only thing that I think needs work after that page is the list descriptions [01:04] you mean on https://lists.ubuntu.com ? [01:04] ubuntu-devel is "Ubuntu Developer Discussion" [01:04] yeah [01:04] yes, that's a very good point [01:04] that is one of my biggest problems is I think people don't really understand the purpose of the lists [01:05] man, I need to stop editing my sentences half way through [01:06] I think a lot of people would take ubuntu-devel to be about anything about dapper [01:06] yes [01:07] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InternetRelayChat has some good info [01:08] maybe if the descriptions had a bit more to them [01:08] I agree, absolutely [01:11] do maybe we should have a UbuntuMailingList page similar to that IRC or make a page that includes both (so you get the channel and ML) === mdke shrugs [01:11] these things should all be on the website anyway, rather than the wiki, IMO [01:12] yes, yes. I agree. I just don't know how they would get done [01:12] well, we will be getting a new webmaster soon, they will no doubt wish to tackle the website structure [01:13] who is the current webmaster? henrick? [01:13] henrik, yes [01:15] are any doc team members Canonical employees? [01:16] well, it depends what you mean by members [01:16] henrik and mpt are employees, and are fairly active [01:16] no one with commit access though [01:17] ah [01:17] I'm always curious to see who is a Canonical person and who isn't. [01:17] heh [01:18] you have to become a Canonical employee to find out, like the Masons [01:18] in MOTU I think we only have 1 or 2 [01:18] heh [01:18] I could always ping sabdfl and ask him ;-) [01:18] in fact even they don't know all the time [01:18] I bet [01:19] well, I know there is a new QA person in Montreal [01:20] yes [01:20] but with this Kubuntu-de stuff I got to wondering what people Canonical had working on Ubuntu [01:21] there must be about 10 of em, I guess [01:22] I would think mostly in the core-dev area [01:23] well, every canonical person working on Ubuntu is in the core-dev area, by definition, I'd say [01:24] perhaps [01:24] well, maybe not jdub [01:25] it gets pretty muddy for me though. like JaneW [01:25] she is in the ubuntu-drivers team [01:25] which makes sense [01:25] yah, good point [01:26] it would be fun to see an organizational chart, but don't think I can expect that from a business [01:26] I don't know that they usually publish such things [01:27] probly not [01:28] hmm, sometimes I wish we could do bans/kicks on MLs ;-) [01:29] I'd probably get banned if we could so I better shut up [01:30] heh [01:31] I just sent an email to edubuntu-devel. Hopefully it is ok. [01:32] they are looking to start an edubuntu council to approve members (I think Kubuntu is doing something similar) [01:32] interesting [01:33] I hope it sticks to members, and doesn't decentralise anything else from the regular CC [01:33] at this point no, but I'm not sure in the futur after Mark's Kubuntu email === mdke doesn't like that idea [01:33] I don't see why Edubuntu would need to [01:33] ok, bed for me [01:34] night [01:34] cya mdke === LaserJock will be eagerly awaiting the book [01:34] mdke: you did the Ubuntu Desktop Guide, right? === klepas [n=klepas@220-245-224-46.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:53] hey klepas [01:55] moin [01:57] hi klepas and jsgAFK [01:59] hey [02:21] moin moin [02:21] what's doing? [02:21] howdy klepas [02:55] mdke, it's no secret that Canonical has about 50 employees , of which about 20 work on Ubuntu and 1 works on Kubuntu [02:57] and from attending the Launchpad meetings you can see that there are about 15 of us in the Launchpad team === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Kyral [n=kyral@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Kyral [n=kyral@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:33] heh i couldnt scrollback in irssi i dunno what's the fuss [03:33] mpt: yeah and there are a good number of admin and business development people too not really visible on irc [03:34] yes [03:35] what are we talking about? [03:35] Canonical employees, Burgundavia [03:35] ah [03:36] yes, malcolm and janes are not on irc at all [03:36] They are, just not on public channels [03:36] ah, they are on #canonical? === mpt [n=mpt@219-89-153-137.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === dt-oz-gc [n=dt@202.7.201.49] has joined #ubuntu-doc === dt-oz-gc [n=dt@202.7.201.49] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Ciou] === jjesse [n=jjesse@c-67-172-111-99.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === dt-oz-gc [n=dt@202.7.201.49] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jenda [n=jenda@unaffiliated/jenda] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mhz [n=mhz_chil@pc-130-84-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:45] mdke: did you see that flashplugin-nonfree seems to be fixed? [04:47] yes, the previous fubar is my fault, sorry. [04:53] crimsun: that you are working on it is good. thanks === bhuvan [n=bhuvan@ubuntu/member/bhuvan] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Kyral [n=kyral@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Madpilot [n=brian@S0106000d88b9f3db.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:21] hi all [06:21] ahoy [06:21] hi klepas [06:23] klepas, have you see the mockup Matt East did of the covers w/ Lulu's automatic handling of titles? [06:24] no === theCore [n=alex@70.55.132.27] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:24] just a sec, I'll put it up on the web [06:24] thanks :) [06:25] it's... not as nice as I'd hoped it would be - but we need the automated title generation for for all the translated versions [06:25] http://www.warbard.ca/temp/289954_cover_large.jpg [06:26] getting rid of the text I added is easy enough, I'm just not too happy with the placement of what Lulu's added === jsgotang1o [n=jerome@210.4.38.43] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:36] klepas, just for comparision, here's the cover page at full size and before Lulu dumps stuff on it: http://www.warbard.ca/temp/Ubuntu_Lulu_cover_draft_CQsize.png === poningru [n=poningru@ip68-226-0-76.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:56] Burgundavia, flaky hotel wireless? [06:57] no, crashy beta install [06:57] it can only be a bad install, to explain all the random errors I came getting [06:59] or you've dropped your laptop once too often :P [07:00] ah, crud. [07:00] severe lag [07:00] did the laptop got x-rayed at an airport recently? [07:00] sorry [07:00] robitaille: no, I teleported to OK... [07:00] Madpilot: i had some different ideas [07:00] the crashiness happened the night before I left [07:00] i'll send them to you soon [07:00] give me another day or so [07:01] ;) [07:01] klepas, sure - do you want me to put the SVGs of my work up? (it's all done in Inkscape so far) [07:03] wow, hotel television has 4 different channels filled with gov't people babbing on, including cpan and cpan2 [07:03] usually the most uninteresting thing going on [07:03] sometimes can be interesting though :P [07:04] actually right now senate digital committee is talking about sateillite radio and licensing costs [07:05] and whether Howard Stern should be censored on sat radio too? :P [07:05] no, just licensing on XM and Sirius === Kyral [n=kyral@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:14] wow, big SVGs eat RAM - I was up to 94% usage, 6% cache, with four of the big covers open at once in Inkscape... [07:14] that's 94% of 1Gb, too... === Madpilot contemplates a 2nd Gb... === mpt_ [n=mpt@219-89-147-7.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:27] ok, US senators are morons. They are going to remove the right to time shift [07:27] the xm guy is arguing that the ipod or xm receiver is no different then a vcr or a tape deck, which nobody else in the room seems to get [07:28] Madpilot: sure [07:30] klepas, just a moment [07:32] night all [07:33] night Burgundavia [07:33] klepas - and anyone else interested: http://www.warbard.ca/temp/Ubuntu_SVG/ [07:36] what i have in mind is quite different [07:38] klepas, cool - get some mockups together - are you on the docteam's mailing list? [07:39] Burgundavia, before you go: http://www.eff.org/IP/DRM/piratead/CEA_ad.png [07:39] Madpilot: yes [07:40] but far away from home at the moment [07:40] i don't have access to the email account i use for the mailing lists [07:40] klepas, I don't think there's any massive hurry - we've still got a month before Dapper releases, after all [07:40] sure [07:41] well i get back on Saturday [07:41] i've got some other deadlines though before then and right after [07:41] so you're looking at maybe a week === mpt__ [n=mpt@222-154-113-97.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jenda [n=jenda@unaffiliated/jenda] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@222-154-181-110.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:36] poningru: you added EasyUbuntu to the wiki page on restricted formats [08:37] poningru: that's a bad thing to do, as Easyubuntu is definetly not ready/safe/etc to be recommended on that page [08:37] as one of the primary developers on EasyUbuntu, i know :P [09:12] morning [09:12] morning mdke [09:12] hi mdke [09:12] Madpilot, you think we need to use automatic title generation for the covers? [09:13] mdke, if we want to have all the translations available to publish, I think we do - hopefully they can be made less ugly, though... [09:14] well, I'd envisage only publishing the complete translations, dunno how many there will be [09:14] a fair number [09:14] but we can't change what lulu does with the text at all, I think, certainly not in terms of position [09:14] too bad [09:14] so if we want any control, we need to do the text ourselves [09:17] mpt, wow, as much as 20. Cool. However "1 works on kubuntu" isn't right at all, because all developers who don't work on gnome also work on kubuntu [09:18] hmm - anyone know enough scripting to change SVGs with some semi-automatic tool? They are ultimately XML, after all, and I think inkscape can produce PNGs from SVGs from the command line... [09:19] Madpilot: what you need? [09:19] robotgeek, I'm imagining some way of getting nice looking translated covers for the Lulu printing [09:20] mdke, only in the same sense that they "work on" Xubuntu [09:20] Kubuntu, Xubuntu, Edubuntu, etc benefit from their work, certainly [09:20] Actually, ogra works specifically on Edubuntu as well [09:20] mpt, yes, in that sense. [09:20] robotgeek, something that takes the translated strings from our docbook xml, sticks it into the SVG, then outputs a PNG from the SVG for lulu to use... [09:21] mpt, that's the same sense in which they work on Ubuntu, too [09:21] Madpilot: only for the title? [09:22] robotgeek, title of each guide, and translation of "Ubuntu Documentation Team" - that's all that is on the covers, currently [09:26] mdke, I think most of them would disagree, but I haven't asked them. [09:29] Madpilot, how long does it take to change the text manually? [09:30] mdke, not long, but if we've got six guides in dozens of translations each, that adds up [09:30] well, 4 guides [09:31] but i have to get those translations manually anyway when uploading the book, so. [09:32] Madpilot: i'll try and see if i can whip up a python script tommorow, gotta hit bed now [09:32] robotgeek, that would be cool - talk to you later [09:32] mdke, how much of the translation -> Lulu process is actually manual right now? [09:33] Madpilot, well, since it is a web dialogue, it is all manual [09:33] you go through various steps uploading the files and inserting descriptions and so on [09:37] Madpilot, did I understand the question right? [09:38] yeah - was afk for a moment [09:40] having to fire up Inkscape & manually edit the SVGs again would add another couple of steps to the process [09:40] that's why I was wondering about some sort of scripting for it === gobbe_ [n=jauroju@korppi.elma.fi] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke_ [n=matt@81-178-237-162.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jenda [n=jenda@unaffiliated/jenda] has joined #ubuntu-doc === poningru [n=poningru@ip68-226-0-76.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Madpilot [n=brian@ubuntu/member/madpilot] has joined #ubuntu-doc === LaserJock_away [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-doc === boglot [i=chaas@haas.workdsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-doc === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-doc === poningru_ [n=poningru@n128-227-50-237.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === antix [n=ben@pdpc/supporter/active/antix] has joined #ubuntu-doc === trappist [i=trappist@tra.ppi.st] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Unfrgiven [n=ankur@ubuntu/member/unfrgiven] has joined #ubuntu-doc === alamba [i=Lordy@ldb448.emirates.net.ae] has joined #ubuntu-doc === _frank [n=frank@modemcable135.248-130-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:46] when did you drop off? [09:46] "was afk for a moment" [09:46] big netsplit [09:46] having to fire up Inkscape & manually edit the SVGs again would add another couple of steps to the process [09:46] having to fire up Inkscape & manually edit the SVGs again would add another couple of steps to the process [09:48] yes [09:48] Madpilot, about the trimming at the top: is it tricky to move the logos down a bit? === alamba [i=Lordy@ldb448.emirates.net.ae] has left #ubuntu-doc [] [09:50] it's a small point [09:51] gtg, see ya later === Madpilot_ [n=brian@S0106000d88b9f3db.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === dsas [n=dean@host86-128-13-192.range86-128.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:51] gah - got disconnected somehow in that netsplit... === enrico [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-doc === crimsun [i=crimsun@hacked.org] has joined #ubuntu-doc === lloydinho [n=andreas@rosinante.egmont-kol.dk] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robotgeek [i=venkat@ubuntu/member/robotgeek] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt_ [n=mpt@219-89-153-12.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Kamping_Kaiser [n=kgoetz@ppp228-44.lns2.adl4.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt__ [n=mpt@219-89-151-35.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt__ [n=mpt@219-89-159-250.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt_ [n=mpt@219-89-134-107.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt__ [n=mpt@219-89-134-107.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.207.41.251] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@219-89-134-107.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mhz [n=mhz_chil@moinmoin/fan/mhz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.11.245.33] has joined #ubuntu-doc === lakin [n=lakin@S01060013101832ce.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === kgoetz_ [n=kgoetz@ppp228-44.lns2.adl4.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvoltage [n=Jono@mtngprs7.mtn.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc === rob [i=Robert@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.rob] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:55] evening === keith [n=keith@cpe-70-112-227-99.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:12] does anyone know the default CUPS admin id and password? root and it's password does not work [06:13] running 5.10 [06:13] keith, you might try #ubuntu for support questions [06:13] or the forums/wiki etc [06:13] thanks [06:13] if I find it, it should be documented [06:13] later.... === VincentRC [n=VincentR@122.193.98-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === gapz [n=gapz@84.7.189.173] has joined #ubuntu-doc === gapz [n=gapz@84.7.189.173] has left #ubuntu-doc ["init] [07:05] morning doc people [07:07] morning laserman [07:08] did I miss a doc team meeting recently? [07:08] no, we haven't had one for ages [07:10] ok, I've been so busy that I have forgotten to check the fridge for a while === Cturtle [n=Cturtle@a213-84-50-38.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Cturtle_ [n=Cturtle@a213-84-50-38.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Cturtle [n=Cturtle@a213-84-50-38.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-doc === theCore [n=alex@70.55.132.27] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke [n=matt@81-178-237-162.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Kyral [n=kyral@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:51] jjesse: ping [09:52] mdke: pong :) [09:53] jjesse: I can't send you emails so I couldn't reply to you today [09:53] mdke: just to me? [09:53] problems sending meail [09:53] yeah, they come back [09:53] jjesse: to log on, do "ssh doc.ubuntu.com" then enter your password [09:53] mdke: wierd i'll look into it, wondered why my email was so slow :( [09:54] it has happened to me twice now in the last couple of weeks [09:55] change the password to something reasonably secure after you login with the command "passwd" [09:57] hurry jjesse hurry, before the MS spies get in! ;-) [09:58] lol :) [09:59] they know that we hold the secrets to Bug #1 ;-) [09:59] mdke: thanks got it [10:00] mdke: should I send an email to bzrgrp members to tell them how to get the repo etc. [10:00] now all i need to figure out how to check things out :) [10:00] lol [10:01] jjesse: what version of bzr do you have? [10:02] should it be bzr ng? [10:02] 0.8pre [10:02] no bazaar-ng is bzr, regular old bazaar is call baz, I think [10:03] jjesse: ok, so you can use the repo in 2 different ways, one that is svn-like (with bzr checkout) and one that is bzr-like (bzr branch) [10:03] jjesse: are you doing this over dialup? [10:04] LaserJock: currently at work [10:04] t-1 [10:05] ok, I was going to say that you could also download a tarball of the repo, but it is still 57MB [10:07] jjesse: the fastest way to get a branch right now is to just rsync it [10:07] the location is /srv/doc.ubuntu.com/www/bzr/ [10:08] just type bzr branch /srv/doc.ubuntu.com/www/bzr/ ? [10:12] jjesse: umm, to start with try bzr branch sftp://@doc.ubuntu.com/srv/doc.ubuntu.com/www/bzr/ ubuntu-doc-bzr [10:12] ack, but that might not work because of a password bug in bzr if you don't have ssh keys set up [10:13] for the slowest, but surest method just do bzr branch http://doc.ubuntu.com/bzr/ ubuntu-doc-bzr [10:15] or faster would be rsync -avrz -e "ssh" ubuntu-doc-bzr @doc.ubuntu.com:/srv/doc.ubuntu.com/www/bzr/ [10:16] one of the problems I see right now with bzr is that there are soo many ways of doing basically the same thing === Kyral [n=kyral@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:18] best place to learn about setting up ssh keys? [10:19] hmm cause bzr branch sftp://jjesse@doc.ubuntu.com/www/bzr/ ubuntu-doc-bzr asks for a password but displays it in clear text? [10:19] jjesse: yeah, that is a bzr bug ATM [10:20] jjesse: I used http://www.arches.uga.edu/~pkeck/ssh/ for help with setting up ssh key [10:20] jjesse: I did that yesterday :-) [10:20] also wiki:SSHHowto [10:20] LaserJock: yeah maybe some links to some bzr4newbies docs [10:21] mdke: yeah, unfortunately most of all the docs I could find were about using bzr locally [10:21] mdke: I'll try to scare some up and send an email out with as much info as I can find, or maybe a wiki page might be better [10:22] coolio [10:23] hmm, I don't really see any docs on the wiki about bzr usage [10:24] maybe on the launchpad wiki? [10:24] I know that bazaar-vcs.org has a wiki, but it isn't exactly the most user friendly in my experience [10:24] they have their own wiki [10:24] it seems to be more for their development use than for users to some degree [10:24] if it isn't user friendly, you should tell jblack, I think it's his job [10:24] a lot of the pages don't apply to the current versions [10:26] and some of the newer features don't seem to be on there, and as I said before, most of it seems to be geared towards local use [10:29] jjesse: the fastest way to get the branch if you want to do that (instead of the checkout) would be to do the rsync === jenda [n=jenda@unaffiliated/jenda] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Kaiser_Away [n=kgoetz@ppp228-44.lns2.adl4.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === _frank [n=frank@modemcable135.248-130-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:50] LaserJock: btw you haven't replied to the patch email from jpatrick yet, at least on list [11:51] mdke: ah, thanks for reminding me. I talked to him on irc but maybe I should send an email also [11:52] I'd like to get people thinking about what they want to do with the PG and forumlate a plan before we start sending diffs [11:53] sure, I'm not sure if he was aware of string freeze or not [11:53] mdke: I think so, I think he was starting on edgy ;-) [11:54] cool, good enthusiasm :) [11:54] ooh [11:54] fullscreen gnome-terminal is cool [11:54] yeah, with the PG it is hard because all the devs were working hard when we were trying to do the docs [11:54] so it was hard to get help [11:55] yeah, understood [11:55] mdke: how so? [11:55] well, it's just cool [11:55] i use irssi for irc, and having it in full screen is great [11:55] heh, welcome to my world [11:55] i'll do a screenie [11:56] http://mdke.org/images/gnome-terminal.png [11:56] anymore I just live in terminals, screen, irssi, mutt, chroots/pbuilder for building packages, vim for editing stuff [11:56] and I can just keep one workspace completely like this, and flick into it with alt+ctrl mmmmm [11:56] no panels, no window bars, great [11:56] yep [11:57] and gnome-terminal is so much faster now, thank god [11:57] I haven't gone to full screen yet on my iMac because there aren't different desktops :( [11:58] mdke: is that the default irssi theme? [11:58] yes, with the occasional tweak [11:58] i played with the statusbar a bit [11:58] i've been trying to find a good theme [12:01] If I can only get mutt working (or rather me working with mutt) then I'd be set === mdke pats evolution [12:02] well, I'd probably use it if I was ever actually at my Ubuntu box :( === mdke pats Ubuntu [12:02] heh [12:03] I actually got my Ubuntu box at home set up with Dapper Beta on a clean hard drive