=== mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === human_blip [n=mike@220.157.65.181] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [12:40] heylo [12:57] hi [12:58] lo [12:58] like bob on winter olympics :) === makx [n=max@baikonur.stro.at] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === human_blip [n=mike@220.157.65.181] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [03:00] heylo === human_blip [n=mike@220.157.65.181] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === fabbione [i=fabbione@gordian.fabbione.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === jane_ [n=JaneW@dsl-146-141-13.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === kozz_ [n=kozz@h203n1fls31o834.telia.com] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === BenC_ [n=bcollins@72.169.114.90] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === BenC__ [n=bcollins@72.169.114.90] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === JaneW [n=JaneW@dsl-146-141-13.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === human_blip [n=mike@220.157.65.181] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === makx [n=max@baikonur.stro.at] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === cjb [n=cjb@pool-151-203-216-9.bos.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === JanC [n=janc@lugwv/member/JanC] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === allee [n=ach@allee.exgal.mpe.mpg.de] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === lamont [n=lamont@mib.fc.hp.com] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === mdz [n=mdz@studiocity-motorola-bsr1-70-36-194-85.vnnyca.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === smurf [n=smurf@debian/developer/smurf] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === dilinger [n=dilinger@207.210.101.209] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === airlied [n=airlied@193.1.99.74] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === Traxer|off [i=traxer@shell6.powershells.de] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === _fs [i=fs@213.178.77.98] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === crimsun [i=crimsun@hacked.org] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === Mithrand1r [n=tfheen@c5100BC63.inet.catch.no] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-088-073-072-009.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === kozz [n=kozz@h203n1fls31o834.telia.com] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === kozz_ [n=kozz@h203n1fls31o834.telia.com] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === Keybuk [n=scott@quest.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === ivoks [n=ivoks@wall2.grad.hr] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === sn9 [n=danielg4@gimpelevich.san-francisco.ca.us] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [03:05] heylo [03:08] so i applied to become a core dev last night === mxpxpod [n=BryanFor@unaffiliated/mxpxpod] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [03:29] zul: Good. We need more people with clue. [03:30] heh im good at faking it ;) [03:31] We all are, dude. We all are. :) [03:31] It's all about how *well* you fake it. :) [03:31] hehe... [03:32] (Only slightly tongue-in-cheek here, since knowlege isn't what's important, it's the ability to rapidly acquire knowlege that sets people apart, IMO) [03:32] thats so true [03:32] So, the faster you can Google, and the quicker you can pretend to be familiar with kernel subsystem X, the more you win. [03:41] hey infinity [03:41] did you get rid of your headacke? [03:41] I wish. [03:42] ok [03:42] :/ [03:43] Oh well, I can think clearly enough to drive the buildds and other mindless tasks, so I'm getting SOMETHING done. [03:43] Just not much hacking right now, cause I'm not alive enough to program my way out of a paper bag. === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [03:46] I recommend using your hands or a knife or something to get yourself out of a paper bag. [03:46] leeches i hear work [04:18] hey ben === jkakar [n=jkakar@204.174.36.228] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [05:42] BenC: unreproducable kernel oops/kernel nullpointer with tainted kernels: reject/low priority/something else? [05:43] Ask them to repeat with an untainted kernel [05:43] Then leave at needinfo forever [05:44] ok [05:45] yeah, that sounds like a plan === davidj [n=davidj@cpe-071-075-067-136.carolina.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [06:18] I'm trying to build fuse, and I've run into a problem. The fuse-2.5.3/kernel/Makefile seems to require building as root. Specifically, it won't build without write access to /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/fs/fuse/. How did you fix this when you packed fuse for ubuntu? [06:19] basic kernel makefile [06:20] in-tree build doesn't do that [06:20] Ah, that's right, your kernel has fuse built in. I'm trying to build it for RH, which doesn't have it. [06:21] uh...we dont do redhat [06:22] zul: I know. [06:22] I'm building for for LTSP, and there are a lot of links between ubuntu and ltsp. [06:22] ogra suggested that BenC might have a hint or two that might help me. [06:23] I suggest removing the line that tries to copy the file to /lib/modules/ [06:23] BenC: Thanks for your response. I'll keep working at it. === dieffel [n=dieffel@535A972B.flatrate.dk] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === davidj [n=davidj@cpe-071-075-067-136.carolina.res.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-kernel [] === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === human_blip [n=mike@220.157.65.181] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [11:56] BenC: how confident are you in ipw3945? [11:56] I'm a bit wary of adding an entirely new driver after beta [11:57] mdz: to be honest, I have no confidence, because I have no way to test it, however, because of Intel has a good track record with their drivers, and because we didn't have to hack any code to get it to build, I suspecrt it will work perfectly [11:58] ipw2200 certainly wasn't perfect when we first got it in, but it was no worse than having no driver at all [11:58] that's the only bar we need to set ;-) [11:58] fitting it into our source was 10x's easier than some of the drivers we pushed in there, and they seem to be doing ok :) [11:58] If it works for one user, we win, IMO. [11:58] so long as it doesn't, say, hang the kernel when the module is loaded, it's ok [11:58] And surely we can find one user to test the bloody thing. [11:58] but if it does that, it can make it nearly impossible to install ubuntu [11:58] yeah, that would be the major draw-back [11:59] but I don't see that happening, most likely it would crash when it is configured, if anything [11:59] I know sabdfl will appreciate his X60's wireless working though [11:59] he has an X60 now? [11:59] what did he do to his X40? [11:59] when I get .22 out, I'll email him to test it [11:59] he still has it I think === infinity notes that the ipw3945 thing was more or less delivered to us as an edict from on high. [11:59] BenC: good plan [12:00] yeah, it was actually the sab that wanted it in there, and he was very pushy about it :) [12:00] infinity: oh? I didn't get that memo [12:00] Wait, isn't ipw3945 the one that needs the binary userspace daemon running as root? [12:00] cjb: yes [12:00] cjb: Yup! [12:00] *boggle* [12:00] cjb: yeah, it gets started automatically when the module is loaded [12:00] Is that even legally redistributable? [12:00] yes [12:00] mdz: I've noticed that some memos seem to be strategically CCd so as to avoid opposition. :) [12:00] it and the firmware come with redistribution rights [12:01] infinity: if there is an email trail for that, please forward me a copy of the thread [12:01] mdz: I'll have to poke mjg59 for his end of the trail. [12:01] BenC: Did you get any such? [12:01] mdz: it was a very thin thread I got from sabdfl asking if we could include it, he sent it about the same time you emailed me, when the driver got released [12:01] mdz: I was out of the loop, except for the part where I did he LRM work, cause I was "in there anyway". [12:02] Is anyone working on a free version of the binary driver? Can't be that hard to figure out what it's doing. [12:02] it wasn't really a decleration from above, just a request, but one which I couldn't really refuse :) [12:02] cjb: I'm sure several people already are, but not in time for dapper. [12:02] and I'm sure Intel knows that will happen too [12:03] They're counting on it, I suspect, so they can drop their silly "we're doing this to placate the FCC" workaround.