=== ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-server === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-server === J_P [n=jp@200.146.37.219] has left #ubuntu-server [] === nictuku [n=yves@ubuntu/member/nictuku] has joined #ubuntu-server === Plug [n=crb@itpartners.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-server [04:43] hello [04:43] having trouble creating LVM snapshots under dapper-beta-server [04:43] best suggestion so far was http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=343671#msg20 [04:44] basically, it just hangs [04:44] anyone seen this/got any suggestions? [04:45] which also seems to be [04:45] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/lvm2/+bug/38409 [04:51] (...so, seems not to be that at all; its hanging at suspending the LV, even though I've done that already with xfs_freeze) [04:52] and if I xfs_freeze -u - it wakes back up [04:55] strange. ;) === hokatichenci [n=hoka@ip70-187-179-165.oc.oc.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-server [05:41] pretty quiet, anybody alive? [06:08] yep [06:08] but just me, it would seem === fabbione yawns === theCore [n=alex@70.55.132.27] has joined #ubuntu-server [06:33] I've got mysql client 4.1 installed and running (connecting manually to the srever works fine), but when I connect through mediawiki which is php it doesn't work [06:33] its like php5-mysql is 4.0 only [06:33] hokatichenci: -> #ubuntu [06:34] this isn't a support channel.. really [06:34] ah [06:34] whats it for really [06:34] for ubuntu-server development discussion [06:34] ah [06:34] i figured it was sort of all purpose, and i'm running ubuntu server, its nice so far [06:35] once I can get this stuff working that is :-p [06:35] fabbione: that isn't what the /topic say [06:36] for general support see #ubuntu <- === ..[topic/#ubuntu-server:fabbione] : ubuntu-server discussions | for general support see #ubuntu | U. S. (stable) at http://tinyurl.com/b3jek | U. S. (Devel) at http://tinyurl.com/cllfu | U. S. dapper specs: http://tinyurl.com/aen9b | U. S. forums at http://tinyurl.com/b77qg | ubuntu-server@lists.u.c is up and running | searchable packages list: http://packages.ubuntu.com [06:36] there [06:36] hehe [06:39] whats so different anyways between u-s and normal ubuntu besides the fact that it doesn't come with the bells and whistles [06:39] wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerFAQ [06:40] or something like that [06:40] there are goodies in the -server work too [06:40] U. S. dapper specs: http://tinyurl.com/aen9b [06:41] but there is no diff between ubuntu and ubuntu-server if not what's on CD [06:41] the archive is shared [06:41] nods [06:42] I'm coming from a gentoo background where typically the server group is hardened and wildly different [06:42] so my apologies for not seeing the topic hehe [06:43] no problem [06:43] just read the FAQ, it's a page and it will give you a good overview [06:43] if the FAQ are not clear, just ask [06:46] fabbione: the FAQ say that for server related questions, we can ask here ;) [06:46] theCore: php+mysql interaction is not server related.. keep reading [06:47] i can run php+mysql on my ws [06:47] oh actually.. i do [06:47] fabbione, are you running 4.1? [06:47] 4.0 [06:48] heh bloody hell [06:48] I really wouldn't want to have to compile my own php binary [07:18] fabbione: what is the reason why this channel isn't for server software support? [07:19] theCore: because there is #ubuntu for general support. and people tend to confuse what -server support is with general support [07:20] fabbione: ah, ok === fabbione [i=fabbione@gordian.fabbione.net] has joined #ubuntu-server [07:35] hokatichenci: 4.1 is in universe and unsupported. php5-mysql /can/ connect to it just fine, though. [07:35] hokatichenci: If you want a supported (and supportable) confuguration, though, use mysql-server, which will pull in the supported version (4.0 in breezy, 5.0 in dapper) [07:43] infinity, yeah i would think it would be able to connect, but for some reason its not, it depends on libmysqlclient-12 but 4.1 is -14 i think [07:44] client12 can connect to any MySQL version. [07:44] (Unless you changed the configuration on the 4.1 server, or if it's not a Debian/Ubuntu versoin of the server) [07:44] its not a debian/ubuntu version of the server [07:44] Ahh. [07:45] its gentoo atm [07:45] From the Debian/Ubuntu /etc/mysql/my.cnf [07:45] # For compatibility to other Debian packages that still use [07:45] # libmysqlclient10 and libmysqlclient12. [07:45] old_passwords = 1 [07:45] That's the only change that should be required to allow older clients to connect to the newer servers. [07:45] that goes anywhere in the config file? [07:46] hrm I'll have some ubuntu/debian gurus look at it tomorrow [07:47] That goes in the server's config file (on the Gentoo box) [07:47] Nothing Debian/Ubuntuish about it. [07:48] I know nothing about configuring debian/ubuntu still, so I'm lost as to whats installed now heh :) === nandemonai [n=nandemon@ppp217-178.lns1.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-server [07:51] am I right to assume at least it would require a custom php compile to get it working without old passwords [08:01] hokatichenci: Or an upgrade to dapper, yes. [08:01] (which uses client15, from MySQL 5.0) [08:02] I do not understand how that works :p I really need to read about debian more === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-server [08:04] Again, it has nothing to do with Debian/Ubuntu. [08:04] Just compiling in general. [08:04] The php5-mysql in dapper is compiled against libmysqlclient15, which is the client library from MySQL 5.0 [08:04] not with 15off? [08:04] You're used to the Gentoo world where any ABI change is met with the lovely advice to "recompile everything". [08:04] :) [08:04] ivoks: Semantics. Don't confuse the boy. [08:04] ok :) [08:05] diff beetwean ubuntu and gentoo/redhat is that programs are "compiled" against packages [08:05] "15off" is just "15 with upstream's official symbol versioning script" (which was, unfortunately, incompatible with OUR symbol versioning script, hence the forced ABI change) [08:06] infinity, yes, I actually like that recompile everything because it keeps everything in check, just takes a while :) The binary speed though is really, really nice. [08:07] that's hoax [08:07] how much faster can your app be? [08:07] hokatichenci: You wasted more time compiling than you'll ever regain from speedier binaries, trust me. [08:07] it's compiled against libc-686 and on kernel-686 [08:07] that's what matters [08:07] Er, I meant from the time compiling vs time installing binaries [08:07] oh. :) [08:07] Its much quicker to install binaries than to compile from source, hah [08:08] I'm well aware theres no speed benefit, I like the flexibility mostly, but thats a whole nother story. [08:08] Anyhow, "recompile the world" is a pretty painful way to handle things like security updates, where we fix the security problem, Gentoo tells you to "just upgrade to the latest version". [08:08] And other such things. [08:08] yeah [08:08] thats what I'm looking forward to if I can get this working, just gotta figure out how to upgrade to dapper now [08:08] The flexibility of use flags is cool, but you find that "flexibile" turns into "painful" when you have a lot of machines to administer, and you're like them all to be identical. [08:09] yeah it can be problematic [08:09] gentoo is nice to play with your system [08:09] The fact that all Debian/Ubuntu packages are identical, even across architectures, is a pretty big win when you have a large datacentre to look after. [08:09] it's useless when you need our system for work [08:09] I tihnk Gentoo is great toy for a home user. [08:09] gentoo-hardened project is super nice though, I don't know much about adamantix (debian equiv) [08:09] s/our/yours/ === ivoks is typing in bed, so ignore his typos :) === infinity needs to get back to work and stop babbling on IRC. [08:10] eh, it's 8AM here :) [08:10] 4pm here. Catch up. :) [08:11] i'm not sure who needs catching up :) [08:11] unless you are in australia :) [08:13] I am. === hokatichenci [n=hoka@ip70-187-179-165.oc.oc.cox.net] has left #ubuntu-server ["Leaving"] === Plug [n=crb@itpartners.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-server === ubijtsa [n=ubijtsa@karlsson.force9.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-server === xerophyte [n=xerophyt@CPE00400559e956-CM014310117547.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-server === allee [n=ach@allee.exgal.mpe.mpg.de] has joined #ubuntu-server === Bluekuja [n=bluekuja@host199-235.pool8254.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-server === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-server === baffle [i=baffle@endor.stenstad.net] has joined #ubuntu-server === ajmitch [n=ajmitch@203.89.166.123] has joined #ubuntu-server === uniq [n=frode@ubuntu/member/frode] has joined #ubuntu-server === RemoteViewer [n=555@stan.physik.fu-berlin.de] has joined #ubuntu-server === maswan [i=maswan@kennedy.acc.umu.se] has joined #ubuntu-server === shawarma [i=foobar@ubuntu/member/shawarma] has joined #ubuntu-server === Jeeves__ [i=mark@net.prevented.net] has joined #ubuntu-server === spike__ [n=spike@81-179-124-253.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #ubuntu-server === nitestar1 [n=knightst@cpe-24-24-102-34.midsouth.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-server === thefish [n=thefish@unaffiliated/thefish] has joined #ubuntu-server === spike__ is now known as spike === ubijtsa2 [n=ubijtsa@213.208.70.150] has joined #ubuntu-server === ivoks [n=ivoks@wall2.grad.hr] has joined #ubuntu-server === ubijtsa2 [n=ubijtsa@213.208.70.150] has joined #ubuntu-server === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-server === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-server [02:51] fabbione: [06:34] for ubuntu-server development discussion [02:52] fabbione: but in topic 'ubuntu-server discussions ...' why not explicitly ubuntu-server development discussions [02:52] makes a huge difference IMHO === ..[topic/#ubuntu-server:fabbione] : ubuntu-server development discussions | for general support see #ubuntu | U. 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