[04:43] <Plug> hello
[04:43] <Plug> having trouble creating LVM snapshots under dapper-beta-server
[04:43] <Plug> best suggestion so far was http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=343671#msg20
[04:44] <Plug> basically, it just hangs
[04:44] <Plug> anyone seen this/got any suggestions?
[04:45] <Plug> which also seems to be
[04:45] <Plug> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/lvm2/+bug/38409
[04:51] <Plug> (...so, seems not to be that at all; its hanging at suspending the LV, even though I've done that already with xfs_freeze)
[04:52] <Plug> and if I xfs_freeze -u - it wakes back up
[04:55] <Plug> strange. ;)
[05:41] <hokatichenci> pretty quiet, anybody alive?
[06:08] <Plug> yep
[06:08] <Plug> but just me, it would seem
[06:33] <hokatichenci> I've got mysql client 4.1 installed and running (connecting manually to the srever works fine), but when I connect through mediawiki which is php it doesn't work
[06:33] <hokatichenci> its like php5-mysql is 4.0 only
[06:33] <fabbione> hokatichenci: -> #ubuntu
[06:34] <fabbione> this isn't a support channel.. really
[06:34] <hokatichenci> ah
[06:34] <hokatichenci> whats it for really
[06:34] <fabbione> for ubuntu-server development discussion
[06:34] <hokatichenci> ah
[06:34] <hokatichenci> i figured it was sort of all purpose, and i'm running ubuntu server, its nice so far
[06:35] <hokatichenci> once I can get this stuff working that is :-p
[06:35] <theCore> fabbione: that isn't what the /topic say
[06:36] <fabbione> for general support see #ubuntu  <-
[06:36] <fabbione> there
[06:36] <theCore> hehe
[06:39] <hokatichenci> whats so different anyways between u-s and normal ubuntu besides the fact that it doesn't come with the bells and whistles
[06:39] <fabbione> wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerFAQ
[06:40] <fabbione> or something like that
[06:40] <fabbione> there are goodies in the -server work too
[06:40] <fabbione> U. S. dapper specs: http://tinyurl.com/aen9b
[06:41] <fabbione> but there is no diff between ubuntu and ubuntu-server if not what's on CD
[06:41] <fabbione> the archive is shared
[06:41] <hokatichenci> nods
[06:42] <hokatichenci> I'm coming from a gentoo background where typically the server group is hardened and wildly different
[06:42] <hokatichenci> so my apologies for not seeing the topic hehe
[06:43] <fabbione> no problem
[06:43] <fabbione> just read the FAQ, it's a page and it will give you a good overview
[06:43] <fabbione> if the FAQ are not clear, just ask
[06:46] <theCore> fabbione: the FAQ say that for server related questions, we can ask here ;)
[06:46] <fabbione> theCore: php+mysql interaction is not server related.. keep reading
[06:47] <fabbione> i can run php+mysql on my ws
[06:47] <fabbione> oh actually.. i do
[06:47] <hokatichenci> fabbione, are you running 4.1?
[06:47] <fabbione> 4.0
[06:48] <hokatichenci> heh bloody hell
[06:48] <hokatichenci> I really wouldn't want to have to compile my own php binary
[07:18] <theCore> fabbione: what is the reason why this channel isn't for server software support?
[07:19] <fabbione> theCore: because there is #ubuntu for general support. and people tend to confuse what -server support is with general support
[07:20] <theCore> fabbione: ah, ok
[07:35] <infinity> hokatichenci: 4.1 is in universe and unsupported.  php5-mysql /can/ connect to it just fine, though.
[07:35] <infinity> hokatichenci: If you want a supported (and supportable) confuguration, though, use mysql-server, which will pull in the supported version (4.0 in breezy, 5.0 in dapper)
[07:43] <hokatichenci> infinity, yeah i would think it would be able to connect, but for some reason its not, it depends on libmysqlclient-12 but 4.1 is -14 i think
[07:44] <infinity> client12 can connect to any MySQL version.
[07:44] <infinity> (Unless you changed the configuration on the 4.1 server, or if it's not a Debian/Ubuntu versoin of the server)
[07:44] <hokatichenci> its not a debian/ubuntu version of the server
[07:44] <infinity> Ahh.
[07:45] <hokatichenci> its gentoo atm
[07:45] <infinity> From the Debian/Ubuntu /etc/mysql/my.cnf
[07:45] <infinity> # For compatibility to other Debian packages that still use
[07:45] <infinity> # libmysqlclient10 and libmysqlclient12.
[07:45] <infinity> old_passwords   = 1
[07:45] <infinity> That's the only change that should be required to allow older clients to connect to the newer servers.
[07:45] <hokatichenci> that goes anywhere in the config file?
[07:46] <hokatichenci> hrm I'll have some ubuntu/debian gurus look at it tomorrow
[07:47] <infinity> That goes in the server's config file (on the Gentoo box)
[07:47] <infinity> Nothing Debian/Ubuntuish about it.
[07:48] <hokatichenci> I know nothing about configuring debian/ubuntu still, so I'm lost as to whats installed now heh :)
[07:51] <hokatichenci> am I right to assume at least it would require a custom php compile to get it working without old passwords
[08:01] <infinity> hokatichenci: Or an upgrade to dapper, yes.
[08:01] <infinity> (which uses client15, from MySQL 5.0)
[08:02] <hokatichenci> I do not understand how that works :p I really need to read about debian more
[08:04] <infinity> Again, it has nothing to do with Debian/Ubuntu.
[08:04] <infinity> Just compiling in general.
[08:04] <infinity> The php5-mysql in dapper is compiled against libmysqlclient15, which is the client library from MySQL 5.0
[08:04] <ivoks> not with 15off?
[08:04] <infinity> You're used to the Gentoo world where any ABI change is met with the lovely advice to "recompile everything".
[08:04] <ivoks> :)
[08:04] <infinity> ivoks: Semantics.  Don't confuse the boy.
[08:04] <ivoks> ok :)
[08:05] <ivoks> diff beetwean ubuntu and gentoo/redhat is that programs are "compiled" against packages
[08:05] <infinity> "15off" is just "15 with upstream's official symbol versioning script" (which was, unfortunately, incompatible with OUR symbol versioning script, hence the forced ABI change)
[08:06] <hokatichenci> infinity, yes, I actually like that recompile everything because it keeps everything in check, just takes a while :) The binary speed though is really, really nice.
[08:07] <ivoks> that's hoax
[08:07] <ivoks> how much faster can your app be?
[08:07] <infinity> hokatichenci: You wasted more time compiling than you'll ever regain from speedier binaries, trust me.
[08:07] <ivoks> it's compiled against libc-686 and on kernel-686
[08:07] <ivoks> that's what matters
[08:07] <hokatichenci> Er, I meant from the time compiling vs time installing binaries
[08:07] <infinity> oh. :)
[08:07] <hokatichenci> Its much quicker to install binaries than to compile from source, hah
[08:08] <hokatichenci> I'm well aware theres no speed benefit, I like the flexibility mostly, but thats a whole nother story.
[08:08] <infinity> Anyhow, "recompile the world" is a pretty painful way to handle things like security updates, where we fix the security problem, Gentoo tells you to "just upgrade to the latest version".
[08:08] <infinity> And other such things.
[08:08] <hokatichenci> yeah
[08:08] <hokatichenci> thats what I'm looking forward to if I can get this working, just gotta figure out how to upgrade to dapper now
[08:08] <infinity> The flexibility of use flags is cool, but you find that "flexibile" turns into "painful" when you have a lot of machines to administer, and you're like them all to be identical.
[08:09] <hokatichenci> yeah it can be problematic
[08:09] <ivoks> gentoo is nice to play with your system
[08:09] <infinity> The fact that all Debian/Ubuntu packages are identical, even across architectures, is a pretty big win when you have a large datacentre to look after.
[08:09] <ivoks> it's useless when you need our system for work
[08:09] <infinity> I tihnk Gentoo is great toy for a home user.
[08:09] <hokatichenci> gentoo-hardened project is super nice though, I don't know much about adamantix (debian equiv)
[08:09] <ivoks> s/our/yours/
[08:10] <ivoks> eh, it's 8AM here :)
[08:10] <infinity> 4pm here.  Catch up. :)
[08:11] <ivoks> i'm not sure who needs catching up :)
[08:11] <ivoks> unless you are in australia :)
[08:13] <infinity> I am.
[02:51] <allee> fabbione: [06:34]  <fabbione> for ubuntu-server development discussion
[02:52] <allee> fabbione: but in topic 'ubuntu-server discussions ...'  why not explicitly ubuntu-server development discussions
[02:52] <allee> makes a huge difference IMHO
[02:52] <fabbione> there
[02:56] <allee> now 50 % can surely leave the channel ;)  Not yet sure which half I am in.