[05:39] <edrucated> hey
[05:40] <LaserJock> hi edrucated 
[05:40] <edrucated> how are you
[09:51] <juliux> morning
[10:15] <cbx33> mornin all
[10:15] <cbx33> Bluekuja: ping
[10:17] <juliux> morning cbx33 
[10:20] <cbx33> mornin juliux 
[10:21] <juliux> cbx33, i also try this things
[10:21] <cbx33> heheh
[10:21] <cbx33> it never works
[10:21] <cbx33> funny that :p
[10:22] <juliux> i think we need a speech2irc device
[10:22] <cbx33> yes
[10:24] <lucasvo> good morning everybody
[10:24] <cbx33> one of our guinea pigs is sick
[10:24] <cbx33> :(
[10:24] <cbx33> and my colleague is on holiday
[10:24] <juliux> hi lucasvo 
[10:24] <cbx33> which means i get lumbered with support :(
[10:29] <lucasvo> ahhh, bzr is damn slow
[10:29] <lucasvo> !seen ogra
[10:29] <ubotu> ogra <n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra> was last seen on IRC in channel #edubuntu, 17h 18m 48s ago, saying: 'hey jsgotangco '.
[10:29] <lucasvo> somebody know how ldm works?
[10:30] <cbx33> a little
[10:30] <cbx33> what ya need
[10:30] <lucasvo> how can I run it from an already running x-session?
[10:30] <cbx33> hmmm
[10:30] <cbx33> not sure i know that one
[10:31] <lucasvo> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/34118
[10:35] <cbx33> k
[10:35] <cbx33> i see it
[10:35] <cbx33> woudn't you have to use Xnest?
[10:35] <cbx33> or something similar?
[10:35] <lucasvo> I'll try
[10:35] <cbx33> I'm no expert but I think that's what they use to test gnome etc
[10:35] <cbx33> please someone tell me if I'm wrong
[10:36] <juliux> i think xnest is good
[10:36] <juliux> or a server with a thinclient ,)
[10:36] <cbx33> VM :p
[10:36] <cbx33> that's what i use heheheh
[10:37] <cbx33> oh?
[10:37] <lucasvo> I have this crappy network
[10:38] <cbx33> whats up with it?
[10:38] <lucasvo> btw, anybody know if I can find out if my nics are autosensing?
[10:38] <lucasvo> cbx33: I don't know
[10:38] <cbx33> you mean MDIX?
[10:38] <lucasvo> MDIX?
[10:38] <cbx33> nevermind
[10:38] <lucasvo> autodetection for crossover
[10:38] <cbx33> yeh MDIX
[10:38] <cbx33> um
[10:39] <cbx33> plug in a crossover and ping
[10:39] <cbx33> :p
[10:39] <cbx33> then use a non crossover
[10:39] <cbx33> and do the same
[10:39] <lucasvo> that's the problem
[10:39] <lucasvo> I didn't even manage to ping
[10:39] <cbx33> oh
[10:40] <lucasvo> where are these drawings ogra made about the network?
[10:40] <cbx33> hmmm
[10:40] <cbx33> no the wiki somewhere
[10:40] <cbx33> *on
[10:41] <juliux> http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/edubuntu/edubuntu_talk.pdf
[10:41] <juliux> this one?
[10:41] <lucasvo>     ETH0 -----> DHCP ----> INTERNET
[10:41] <lucasvo> PC  
[10:41] <lucasvo>     ETH1 -----> static ---> Switch ----> LTSP-Client
[10:42] <lucasvo> that's how my network looks like
[10:42] <juliux> cool
[10:42] <juliux> and where is the problem?
[10:43] <lucasvo> I can't ping from Eth1 to ltsp
[10:43] <juliux> what are the ip addresses from eth0 and eth1?
[10:43] <juliux> and what is the output from route -n
[10:43] <cbx33> indeed good call juliux 
[10:43] <lucasvo> 192.168.0.6 and 192.168.1.1
[10:44] <cbx33> what's the subnet
[10:44] <juliux> and routes please
[10:44] <lucasvo> Destination     Gateway         Genmask         Flags Metric Ref    Use Iface
[10:44] <lucasvo> 192.168.1.0     0.0.0.0         255.255.255.0   U     0      0        0 eth1
[10:44] <lucasvo> 192.168.0.0     0.0.0.0         255.255.255.0   U     0      0        0 eth0
[10:44] <lucasvo> 0.0.0.0         192.168.0.1     0.0.0.0         UG    0      0        0 eth0
[10:44] <cbx33> that's y
[10:44] <cbx33> juliux: they are on two diff subnets no?
[10:44] <lucasvo> yes
[10:44] <juliux> cbx33, yes
[10:45] <lucasvo> one is 192.168.0.0 the other is 192.168.1.0
[10:45] <cbx33> where is the route between the two
[10:45] <juliux> the ltspclients has which ipaddress?
[10:45] <lucasvo> I didn't get anything over dhcp but I could set it up with 192.168.1.2
[10:45] <cbx33> oh i see
[10:46] <cbx33> sorry my brain isn't functioning at all well today
[10:46] <cbx33> lucasvo: was dhcp running :p
[10:46] <lucasvo> yes
[10:46] <cbx33> just checking
[10:46] <lucasvo> lucasvo@supernova:~/bzr$ bzr branch http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/bzr-archive/ltsp/dapper/ ltsp
[10:46] <lucasvo> bzr: ERROR: An error has been detected in the repository http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/bzr-archive/ltsp/dapper/.
[10:47] <lucasvo> Please run bzr reconcile on this repository.
[10:47] <cbx33> lucasvo: i kept getting that
[10:47] <juliux> lucasvo, /etc/default/dhcp3-server wirte into this file INTERFACES="eth1"
[10:47] <cbx33> ogra told me to delete the entire folder
[10:47] <cbx33> and try again
[10:47] <juliux> lucasvo, and restart the dhcp server and then try to get an ip from the client
[10:47] <cbx33> and after a few tries it worked
[10:48] <lucasvo> cbx33: did you delete the directory it created?
[10:51] <lucasvo> juliux: I still don't get any IP
[10:51] <juliux> lucasvo, but you have an uplink?
[10:52] <lucasvo> where?
[10:52] <juliux> between eth1 and the thinclient?
[10:52] <cbx33> when you set the machine up with 192.168.1.2
[10:52] <cbx33> could you ping the server? on eth1
[10:54] <lucasvo> now it says network unreachable
[10:54] <cbx33> ahh
[10:54] <cbx33> how is the client setup
[10:54] <cbx33> live cd?
[10:54] <lucasvo> livecd
[10:54] <cbx33> ok
[10:55] <cbx33> and you've given it a static ip
[10:55] <cbx33> have you restarted the networking service?
[10:55] <lucasvo> yes
[10:55] <cbx33> mornin Seveas 
[10:55] <lucasvo> where?
[10:55] <cbx33> \/etc/init.d/networking restart
[10:56] <Seveas> mornin'
[10:56] <lucasvo> hi Seveas 
[10:56] <lucasvo> cbx33: no
[10:57] <lucasvo> I just set up the NIC with ifconfig eth0 up 192.168.1.2 & route add default gw 192.168.1.1
[10:57] <cbx33> no what ?
[10:58] <cbx33> try restarting that
[10:58] <lucasvo> how restart?
[10:58] <lucasvo> when I restart, it tries to assign an IP over dhcp
[10:58] <juliux> lucasvo, is there a link? are the leds from the nic green?
[10:58] <lucasvo> yes
[10:59] <lucasvo> the switch also dipslays a connection
[10:59] <cbx33> hmmm
[10:59] <juliux> hm
[11:00] <lucasvo> tcpdump: listening on eth1, link-type EN10MB (Ethernet), capture size 256 bytes
[11:00] <lucasvo> 11:00:34.928861 arp who-has 192.168.1.2 tell 192.168.1.1
[11:01] <cbx33> but that is sometimes misleading
[11:01] <lucasvo> 11:00:46.565147 arp who-has 192.168.1.2 tell 192.168.1.1
[11:01] <cbx33> hmm
[11:01] <lucasvo> but It doesn't get through
[11:01] <cbx33> tried that on the client?
[11:01] <lucasvo> From 192.168.1.1 icmp_seq=4 Destination Host Unreachable
[11:01] <lucasvo> there it says:
[11:01] <lucasvo> ping 192.168.1.1
[11:01] <cbx33> what does ifconfig on the client show
[11:02] <lucasvo> connect: Network is unreachable
[11:02] <lucasvo> it says Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr:....
[11:02] <cbx33> lucasvo: join #flood
[11:02] <cbx33> and paste the contents into there
[11:02] <cbx33> oh wait
[11:02] <cbx33> sorry
[11:02] <lucasvo> cbx33: I can't paste
[11:02] <cbx33> oh ok
[11:03] <cbx33> yeh of course plus I can;t get ito #flood cos I'm on cgiirc
[11:03] <cbx33> what's the ip say
[11:03] <cbx33> are there any figues for the RX 
[11:04] <lucasvo> I get an arp-reply
[11:04] <lucasvo> but very late
[11:05] <lucasvo> and I can ping
[11:05] <lucasvo> but then it says network unreachable
[11:05] <cbx33> dodgy network cable?
[11:05] <lucasvo> cbx33: it says RX packets: 144 errors: 0
[11:05] <lucasvo> TX packets: 303 errors: 
[11:06] <cbx33> ok so it is connecting of sorts
[11:06] <lucasvo> RX bytes: 12601 (12.3KiB)
[11:06] <lucasvo> TX bytes: 35906 (35.0KiB)
[11:06] <cbx33> that's slow
[11:06] <lucasvo> I'll exchange the cable
[11:06] <cbx33> oh sorry
[11:06] <cbx33> nm
[11:07] <cbx33> try a new cable
[11:07] <cbx33> seems like it should be working
[11:18] <lucasvo> hm, I exchanged the cable
[11:18] <lucasvo> now I have 30/80 KiB
[11:23] <lucasvo> I'll exchange the NIC
[11:23] <lucasvo> I think it's broken
[11:30] <cbx33> ok
[11:53] <cbx33> any luck?
[12:03] <cbx33> !seen Bluekuja 
[12:03] <ubotu> bluekuja is currently on #kubuntu (14h 5m 29s) #edubuntu (14h 5m 29s) #ubuntu (14h 5m 29s)
[12:03] <lucasvo> cbx33: I haven't tried it out yet
[12:03] <cbx33> np
[12:03] <lucasvo> I ate lunch
[12:10] <JaneW> edubuntugirl: hello
[12:10] <edubuntugirl> sup, JaneW!
[12:11] <JaneW> edubuntugirl: how are you doing?
[12:11] <edubuntugirl> JaneW: I already know stuff about what how are
[12:11] <lucasvo> ok
[12:11] <lucasvo> I replaced the NIC
[12:11] <JaneW> good for you
[12:11] <JaneW> edubuntugirl: got plans for the week-end?
[12:11] <edubuntugirl> JaneW: *blink*
[12:11] <JaneW> obviously not
[12:11] <JaneW> edubuntugirl: I hope highvoltage is treating you well.
[12:11] <edubuntugirl> JaneW: okay
[12:15] <lucasvo> 12:14:30.386093 arp who-has 192.168.1.1 tell 192.168.1.2
[12:15] <lucasvo> 12:14:30.386185 arp reply 192.168.1.1 is-at 00:0d:87:5f:4b:df (oui Unknown)
[12:15] <lucasvo> I get this on the server
[12:15] <lucasvo> but on the client I don't get anything
[12:32] <cbx33> JaneW: hi
[12:32] <JaneW> hi cbx33 
[12:32] <cbx33> I've started working on the testing procedures
[12:32] <cbx33> you can take a look when you got a sec
[12:32] <lucasvo> cbx33: where is it?
[12:32] <JaneW> cool
[12:33] <JaneW> I am just working on weekly dev report
[12:33] <JaneW> will look when I am done
[12:33] <cbx33> please bear in mind these are proposals and drafts
[12:33] <cbx33> all feedback is welcome
[12:33] <cbx33> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuDocumentation/TestingPlan
[12:33] <cbx33> highvoltage, said it all looked ok, he'd have a closer look in the morning
[12:33] <cbx33> obviously it needs focusing but this is just a draft as I said
[12:35] <cbx33> looks as if ogra hasn't got internet at his present location :p  - he said he'd try to pop in if he could
[12:36] <lucasvo> where is he?
[12:36] <cbx33> somewhere else in germany
[12:36] <lucasvo> ah
[12:36] <cbx33> he said hed be back at the weekend
[12:38] <lucasvo> LaserJock_away: ping
[12:41] <cbx33> lucasvo: did you have a look at those docs?
[12:48] <lucasvo> yes
[12:58] <cbx33> they look ok?
[01:16] <cbx33> hi Yagisan 
[01:17] <Yagisan> G'day cbx33
[01:20] <cbx33> howz life :p
[01:22] <Yagisan> cbx33: severely short of cash (under $500 left), need to make new advertising campaign to get customers, and somehow pull $12,000 out of my arse to my wife can see her parents. Yourself ?
[01:22] <Yagisan> s/to my/so my
[01:23] <cbx33> oh dear
[01:23] <cbx33> advertising campaign for?
[01:27] <Yagisan> cbx33: my business. Thats how I get money (or did before wifes injury ... :( )
[01:28] <cbx33> oh dear
[01:28] <cbx33> what type of work you do
[01:28] <Yagisan> isn't life wonderful
[01:28] <cbx33> indeed
[01:28] <Yagisan> cbx33: computer security
[01:28] <cbx33> our guinea pig is sick
[01:28] <cbx33> :(
[01:28] <cbx33> bbl
[01:29] <Yagisan> :(
[02:42] <pygi> highvoltage: poke 
[02:44] <highvoltage> ouch
[02:45] <pygi> highvoltage: may I say something like this on the list  (wait till I write it)
[02:45] <pygi> Considering a lot of people threated me to shoot me down if I don't second highvoltage, I decided to back him up as well 
[02:46] <lucasvo> :)
[02:47] <lucasvo> let's make it a real fact: pygi: I'll shoot you if you don't second him.
[02:47] <pygi> highvoltage: thoughts? 
[02:47] <pygi> lucasvo: ok, may I quote you on that? 
[02:48] <lucasvo> I don't care.
[02:50] <pygi> ah
[02:53] <highvoltage> hehe
[02:53] <highvoltage> you guys are psychos
[02:53] <pygi> :'(
[02:53] <highvoltage> i don't know if you shoudl say that. i'll leave that up to you ;)
[02:53] <highvoltage> pygi: sorry, just kidding :)
[02:53] <pygi> I haven't said that :-P Read the list =P
[02:54] <pygi> bah, no need to appologize 
[02:54] <highvoltage> ok :)
[02:54] <lucasvo> pygi: I'll post the conversation on the list?
[02:54] <pygi> lucasvo: no need =P
[02:54] <lucasvo> from 14:45 to 14:54
[02:55] <pygi> but thanks 
[02:55] <lucasvo> hi cbx33 
[02:55] <lucasvo> anybody has FUSE installed?
[02:55] <lucasvo> do you have /dev/fuse?
[02:56] <cbx33> lucasvo: those docs look ok?
[03:06] <lucasvo> yes
[03:06] <lucasvo> crap!!!
[03:06] <lucasvo> I can't login anymore
[03:07] <lucasvo> well, I can login into a gnome session but it doesn't loads the panel and all the other things
[03:16] <highvoltage> !seen heno
[03:16] <ubotu> heno <n=henrik@henrik.gotadsl.co.uk> was last seen on IRC in channel #kubuntu, 13d 18h 40m 16s ago, saying: 'Several themes are affected, including Human.'.
[03:17] <lucasvo> !seen Yagisan
[03:17] <ubotu> yagisan is currently on #edubuntu (2h 4m 3s)
[03:17] <lucasvo> Yagisan: can you send me the file again?
[03:18] <lucasvo> (movie list)
[03:37] <Yagisan> lucasvo: done
[03:37] <cbx33> man it's quiet
[03:38] <Yagisan> cbx33: oh, shall I continue on with my bad news then
[03:38] <Yagisan> cbx33: also went to the doctor today. some of my moles changed shape and colour =-O
[03:39] <Yagisan> cbx33: doctor was very concerned. They are to be removed now.
[03:52] <cbx33> Yagisan: yikes
[03:53] <cbx33> I'll keep you and your family in my thoughts
[03:53] <Yagisan> cbx33: my wife is freaked out, I'm not very concerned
[03:54] <Yagisan> cbx33: it's not like I see sunlight often anyway ;)
[03:54] <cbx33> Yagisan, I'm freakout and I don;t even know you personally
[03:54] <cbx33> but I'm still concerned for you guys
[03:54] <Yagisan> thanks cbx33
[03:54] <cbx33> don;t know if you're a religious man but I'll pray for you:p
[03:57] <Yagisan> cbx33: I'm not, but thanks. I'm an atheist, married to a buddhist, living in a muslim area, of a generally christian city.
[03:57] <cbx33> heheheh
[03:57] <cbx33> that's a complicated situation
[03:57] <cbx33> heheh
[04:00] <Yagisan> cbx33: my wife and I have an agreement that works well. Don't try to convert the other. 
[04:01] <cbx33> indeed
[04:01] <cbx33> my wife and I are similar,
[04:01] <cbx33> not as extreme cases
[04:01] <cbx33> w00t
[04:01] <cbx33> hi ogra_ibook 
[04:02] <ogra> meep
[04:02] <Yagisan> cbx33: how long have you been married ? this will be my fifth year now
[04:02] <cbx33> how was the trip
[04:02] <cbx33> 2 years
[04:03] <Yagisan> G'day ogra, your lucky - you missed all my "poor me" bad news
[04:03] <cbx33> the guinea pg is out of surgery
[04:03] <cbx33> :D
[04:04] <Yagisan> cbx33: what was wrong ? (mine used to get stoned on iceberg lettuce)
[04:04] <cbx33> ehe
[04:05] <ogra> the guinea pigs are fin, the dog is tired and the cats discover the new house
[04:05] <cbx33> infection in womb
[04:05] <cbx33> she was seriously on deaths door
[04:05] <Yagisan> cbx33: poor thing
[04:05] <ogra> oh, i thought you meant mine :)
[04:05] <ogra> we just moved the animals across the country
[04:05] <cbx33> yes, they all ok...good good
[04:05] <Yagisan> cbx33: mine were poisoned, so I don't keep animals anymore
[04:06] <cbx33> :(
[04:06] <cbx33> ogra: you got time to see those docs?
[04:06] <Yagisan> :( I don't know by who either
[04:06] <cbx33> or are you a busy ogra 
[04:08] <ogra> i'm just trying to wake up a bit ... leave me some time ...
[04:09] <cbx33> ogra: man I'm kidding
[04:09] <ogra> (we arrived at 5am and i only have slept 3h afetrwards)
[04:09] <cbx33> eeeek
[04:09] <cbx33> I was seriously joking
[04:09] <cbx33> highvoltage looked at it and said they looked ok
[04:09] <ogra> ah, k
[04:11] <highvoltage> i'll give it an edit a bit later, rescuing a mediawiki right now...
[04:11] <cbx33> ok np
[04:11] <cbx33> which doc is that....the schools advocacy one
[04:14] <cbx33> it's been updated now
[04:14] <cbx33> right gotta packup
[04:14] <cbx33> gonna do more work on the jouney homw
[04:19] <jsgotangco> hey guys
[04:22] <ogra> hey jsgotangco 
[04:22] <jsgotangco> ogra: see you in paris? hehe
[04:23] <ogra> will you be there ? 
[04:23] <jsgotangco> im supposed to be in somewhere in hannover around june...
[04:24] <ogra> really ????
[04:24] <ogra> i am from hannover
[04:24] <ogra> lets meet there i'm just starting to move to kassel (150km southern)
[04:25] <jsgotangco> when is the exact devel conf?
[04:25] <jsgotangco> we're meeting people from jamba.de
[04:26] <ogra> the paris conf is from 18th - 24th June
[04:33] <jsgotangco> ogra: any issue i should expect with our beta2 x86?
[04:33] <jsgotangco> i just burned it
[04:33] <ogra> nope
[04:33] <ogra> note that only the liveCD is beta2
[04:33] <jsgotangco> yeah
[04:33] <ogra> we didnt build install CDs
[04:34] <jsgotangco> ogra: it doesn't contain the -21 kernel???
[04:34] <ogra> it should
[04:34] <ogra> i updated -meta extra for that
[04:34] <jsgotangco> can we merge next week for edubuntu-docs?
[04:34] <ogra> yep
[04:35] <jsgotangco> cool there might be time for rosetta too
[04:36] <ogra> why not? 
[04:36] <ogra> i personally dont feel bound to any artwork or doc freezes with edubuntu, we neither work with the docteam nor with the art team
[04:36] <jsgotangco> im cool with that
[04:37] <jsgotangco> ok i'm going to reboot this and install beta2
[04:37] <ogra> as long as our docs are developed separately i dont think the freeze applies
[04:37] <jsgotangco> yeah i agree
[04:37] <jsgotangco> ok i
[04:37] <jsgotangco> ok i'll brb
[04:49] <highvoltage> win 15
[05:00] <Yagisan> ogra: out of curiosity, could cifs be used as a replacement for nfs for ltsp/edubuntu ?
[05:01] <ogra> yes, indeed 
[05:01] <ogra> i dont think its desirable, but you could use it
[05:03] <Yagisan> ogra: oh ? I was just wondering. samba does work rather well, so I thought it might be an idea
[05:23] <LaserJock> lucasvo: pong
[05:26] <nomad> what now?
[05:36] <highvoltage> nomad: huh?
[05:37] <lucasvo> LaserJock: I don't remember anymore :)
[05:37] <lucasvo> ah, yes
[05:37] <lucasvo> bzr
[05:37] <LaserJock> yeah
[05:37] <lucasvo> I had a problem with it
[05:38] <LaserJock> what kind of problem?
[05:40] <lucasvo> I wanted to branch but there was an error
[05:40] <lucasvo> I'll retry it right now
[05:40] <LaserJock> lucasvo: what version of bzr and where you using sftp?
[05:40] <LaserJock> s/where/sere/
[05:40] <lucasvo> I was using http
[05:41] <lucasvo> lucasvo@supernova:~/bzr$ bzr branch http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/bzr-archive/ltsp/devel/ ltsp
[05:41] <lucasvo> bzr (bazaar-ng) 0.8rc1
[05:41] <LaserJock> hmm, odd
[05:42] <LaserJock> lucasvo: hmm, it's fetching for me
[05:43] <lucasvo> [[05:43] <lucasvo> taking extremely long
[05:43] <lucasvo> LaserJock: it crashes before finishing step 2
[05:44] <LaserJock> lucasvo: ok, I'll wait for mine to finish and see if it crashes
[05:47] <lucasvo> still stuck in the same position
[05:47] <LaserJock> hmm, I think that is where I'm at as well
[05:54] <lucasvo> LaserJock: were you able to download it?
[05:54] <LaserJock> lucasvo: nope,  still stuck at the same place yours is at
[05:55] <lucasvo> crap
[05:55] <LaserJock> lucasvo: I'm not sure what the problem would be. I've done other branches no problem. You might ask ogra or #bzr
[06:01] <LaserJock> lucasvo: I got it, it took a long time but it is here.
[06:02] <LaserJock> lucasvo: the problem with the current bzr is that the progress bar kinda stinks.
[06:24] <jsgotangco> lol i only realized my error in gnome-app-install
[06:24] <jsgotangco> if it was any more severe it would have borked beta
[06:33] <lucasvo> LaserJock: I got the error bzr: ERROR: The branch http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/bzr-archive/ltsp/devel/ has no revision None.
[06:34] <LaserJock> lucasvo: hmm, odd
[06:34] <LaserJock> lucasvo: mine just took forever, and I have a university connection
[06:34] <lucasvo> I have 3mbit downstream
[06:35] <jsgotangco> gahh don't make me die of envy with your awesome bandwidth
[06:37] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: heh, if I get a goo California uni mirror I can get 4Mb/s. Takes about 1 1/2 min. to download a CD .iso
[06:37] <LaserJock> s/goo/good/
[06:37] <jsgotangco> damn
[06:38] <lucasvo> my bottleneck is the WiFi
[06:38] <LaserJock> well, my DSL at home is pretty crappy
[06:38] <lucasvo> it's too slow for my internet connection :(
[06:39] <jsgotangco> ogra: if the berlin wall will push through, you'll have to change the gnome theme
[06:40] <Petaris> ogra: What should I use to rebuild this ltsp server, 5.10 or 6.06?
[06:44] <lucasvo> Petaris: how do you want to rebuild the server?
[06:46] <Petaris> fresh install
[06:46] <Petaris> I'm on k12ltsp atm
[06:46] <lucasvo> I would install 606 beta
[06:46] <Petaris> ok
[06:46] <lucasvo> Petaris: it's pretty stable
[06:47] <Petaris> I need something that is less evil then fc
[06:47] <Petaris> It refuses to boot if I have over 4 GB of RAM
[06:48] <ogra> lucasvo, use get, not branch
[06:48] <ogra> python-paramiko is generally painful slow
[06:48] <ogra> (python-paramiko == python sftp support)
[06:48] <lucasvo> ogra: I don't use sftp
[06:49] <ogra> jsgotangco, we'll have to change *everything* if the berlin wall gets through
[06:49] <lucasvo> yes, paramiko sucks
[06:49] <lucasvo> I have problems with it as well
[06:49] <lucasvo> ogra: which one is the berlin wall?
[06:49] <ogra> bzr get http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/bzr-archive/ltsp/devel/ should work in any case
[06:50] <ogra> lucasvo, not public yet and i'm not allowed to show it in public before its finished
[06:50] <lucasvo> :(
[06:50] <lucasvo> who is public?
[06:50] <lucasvo> edubuntumembers as well?
[06:50] <ogra> yep
[06:51] <ogra> its siply a chalkboard wallpaper that simply doesnt work with any color we use now
[06:51] <ogra> so *everything* has to be changed
[06:52] <lucasvo> and who decides which theme to use?
[06:52] <ogra> silbs
[06:52] <ogra> apparently
[06:52] <LaserJock> ogra: is it that nasty green? ;-)
[06:52] <jsgotangco> lol
[06:53] <ogra> since neither JaneW's nor my objections were even commented
[06:53] <ogra> LaserJock, its the theme that makes me want to drop my work on edubuntu
[06:53] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: i thought you would feel at home with it considering it has tons of einstein-like equations
[06:54] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: I couldn't see the beauty past the green :-)
[06:54] <ogra> it think its the meanest you can do to put something like that in front of people that are forced to look at chalkboards anyway all day
[06:54] <LaserJock> I should probably check to equations to make sure they are correct
[06:54] <ogra> it should contrast to the chalkboard on the wall 
[06:55] <ogra> additionally it makes edubuntu look like a dark win95
[06:55] <ogra> and brings a very depressive dark base color into everything
[06:55] <LaserJock> ogra: I do believe it is possible to make an academic looking wallpaper without the Win95-clone look and nasty colors
[06:55] <LaserJock> but, I'm not in charge so...
[06:56] <ogra> but apparently i can beg, cry, scream, bring valuable arguments without any reaction 
[06:56] <ogra> LaserJock, i simply dont like the chalkboard idea at all, and we made a survey in breezy where a major NO came from the community
[06:57] <LaserJock> I agree
[06:57] <ogra> but not even that seems to count here
[06:57] <ogra> which makes me very sad
[06:57] <ogra> thats why i say it makes me want to drop my work on it ... its frustrating to have to ignore my users
[06:57] <jsgotangco> ogra: you can start another revolution in paris
[06:57] <LaserJock> I don't understand, to be honest. If you and JaneW are against it.
[06:58] <ogra> jsgotangco, in paris dapper will be released
[06:58] <ogra> LaserJock, we do neither ...
[06:58] <ogra> jsgotangco, i want to prevent the damage in dapper
[06:59] <ogra> i also dont like to force edubuntu into a niche it isnt in now
[06:59] <LaserJock> ogra: would be nice to have a Edubuntu CC to go to or something, for these sorts of things
[06:59] <ogra> yeah
[06:59] <jsgotangco> ogra: i think we should make a build with the artwork and wait for public reaction
[07:00] <ogra> jsgotangco, the problem is that i'm not allowed to show it to anyone, and i suspect itwill be released just before artwork freeze
[07:00] <jsgotangco> ogra: that is very sad
[07:00] <LaserJock> ogra: so the green is supposed to be default for Dapper?
[07:00] <ogra> it will be a lot harder to change then
[07:00] <jsgotangco> ogra: maybe i should write to silbs just to give a piece of my mind
[07:00] <ogra> LaserJock, not if i can avoid it, i'm still fighting
[07:01] <ogra> jsgotangco, hmm ... 
[07:01] <jsgotangco> it doesn't really fit IMO
[07:01] <ogra> yep
[07:01] <LaserJock> ogra: but that is the intent. I started up the edubuntu livecd and I think the current wallpaper would make me happier in a university setting then the green
[07:02] <jsgotangco> its actually a quite dark shade of green
[07:02] <LaserJock> darn, and it is hard to start a petition or something if people aren't allowed to see it :/
[07:03] <ogra> the idea for that release was to show that edubuntu grows up slowly... it should have been still as colorful as edubuntu girl, but more neutral, so you could use it even in unis
[07:04] <ogra> edubuntu girl *is* a bit childish on purpose ...
[07:04] <jsgotangco> yes it was successful in how we packaged it for breezy
[07:04] <LaserJock> that is why the chalkboard is bad to me, it seem like a regression (hello 1995) in age
[07:04] <ogra> yep
[07:06] <LaserJock> so did the ubuntu artwork team do this wallpaper?
[07:06] <ogra> nope
[07:06] <ogra> a design agency that also does the final wallpaper and splash for ubuntu
[07:07] <ogra> (and kubuntu)
[07:07] <LaserJock> I see
[07:08] <jsgotangco> i would be happy to have this as part of the wallpaper collection or theme but not default
[07:10] <ogra> yep
[07:11] <jsgotangco> ogra: any idea why gcompris seems to love making some users go back to gdm?
[07:11] <ogra> jsgotangco, nope and i dont have any bug for it i think
[07:13] <jsgotangco> bug 6672 but dholbach rejected it and re-assigned to xorg
[07:13] <ogra> ah
[07:13] <ogra> he might be right (i trust him)
[07:14] <jsgotangco> yeah
[07:15] <highvoltage> ogra: is the chalky theme officially 'public' now?
[07:17] <jsgotangco> no
[07:17] <ogra> nope
[07:17] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: you have lots of fans
[07:17] <jsgotangco> :D
[07:18] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: :)
[07:18] <jsgotangco> hmm interesting
[07:18] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: my first personal website was called "The Jonathan Carter Fanclub"
[07:19] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: i think i have an archived copy somewhere, but i'd never put it on-line, it was created using Frontpage (yech)
[07:19] <jsgotangco> yech
[07:20] <jsgotangco> or was it 97 hmmm
[07:25] <LaserJock> hmm, I think I started high school in 96
[07:29] <jsgotangco> ogra: its ok, we can start the next wave of riots in paris if it gets pushed through
[07:29] <ogra> yep
[07:36] <highvoltage> dodgy connections--
[07:36] <highvoltage> i reapplied for dsl today. they say it should take between 4 to 6 weeks to get it installed.
[07:37] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: wow
[07:37] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: wb
[07:37] <edubuntugirl> thanks, it's good to be back
[07:37] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: how cheap/expensive is bandwdith there?
[07:37] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: it's the most expensive in the world
[07:38] <highvoltage> for example...
[07:38] <highvoltage> for ADSL
[07:38] <highvoltage> you have to get a phone line and an ADSL line (i don't need a phone line
[07:38] <highvoltage> a phone line is R80 a month, and a DSL line is about R380 a month
[07:38] <highvoltage> the R380 is for a 368k line, i think.
[07:39] <highvoltage> then you have to buy your bandwidth
[07:39] <highvoltage> that's about R400 for a 3 gigabite account
[07:39] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: 400+380+80
[07:39] <edubuntugirl> highvoltage: 860
[07:39] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: 860/6
[07:39] <edubuntugirl> highvoltage: 143.333333333333
[07:39] <highvoltage> so it's about US$140 for an ADSL connection
[07:40] <jsgotangco> with bandwidth cap?
[07:40] <jsgotangco> damn
[07:40] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: yep.
[07:40] <highvoltage> the lowest is 1GB, the highest 5GB, i think.
[07:40] <highvoltage> but then it gets very expensive.
[07:40] <jsgotangco> even if its not the fastest in the world
[07:40] <highvoltage> yeah!
[07:45] <LaserJock> my DSL is ~ 1M/s (no cap that I'm aware of) for USD$35/month
[07:45] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: that's nice
[07:46] <LaserJock> the upload is what is killing me. but the connection is rock solid
[07:47] <LaserJock> the problem is, I'm never home. I hardly use it :(
[07:47] <jsgotangco> lol
[07:47] <jsgotangco> i have a friend at work
[07:47] <jsgotangco> we have this small office broadband at the satellite office at the 5th floor
[07:48] <jsgotangco> he just lives next door
[07:48] <highvoltage> LaserJock: yeah, that's real nice
[07:48] <jsgotangco> he asked permission if he could drop a cable from the 5th direct to his room haha
[07:48] <jsgotangco> apparently the building admin is still not aware of it
[07:48] <highvoltage> ogra: is https://wiki.edubuntu.org/MondoMindi ubuntu-legal?
[07:49] <ogra> its a jelkner thing
[07:49] <jsgotangco> yeah
[07:50] <highvoltage> it just looks a bit dodgy, imho
[07:50] <highvoltage> not mondomindo, per se, but the way they install it
[07:51] <highvoltage> "sudo su -" doesn't look like something that belong our... oh wait, it doesn't say edubuntu in there... perhaps not such a big problem. i'll bug edubuntu-doc :)
[07:51] <jsgotangco> sudo su-
[07:51] <ogra> yep
[07:51] <ogra> (about it being dodgy)
[07:58] <highvoltage> hi cbx33 
[07:58] <cbx33> hi highvoltage, 
[07:58] <LaserJock> hi cbx33 
[07:58] <cbx33> hi LaserJock 
[07:58] <cbx33> wow you guys are fast
[07:58] <edubuntugirl> hi cbx33 
[07:58] <cbx33> hi edubuntugirl 
[07:58] <edubuntugirl> bonjour, cbx33!
[07:59] <cbx33> hi ogra 
[07:59] <cbx33> right guys I showed the characters my wife drew for the edubuntu wallpaper to youthlug today, and the feedback was very positive
[07:59] <cbx33> will upload somewhere for you in a while :D
[08:00] <cbx33> !seen Bluekuja 
[08:00] <ubotu> bluekuja is currently on #kubuntu (22h 2m 47s) #edubuntu (22h 2m 47s) #ubuntu (22h 2m 47s)
[08:00] <ogra> yay
[08:01] <cbx33> they said they were much better that the edubuntugirl heheh
[08:01] <cbx33> and multicutural, bright and just right for kids
[08:01] <cbx33> hang on two ticks...remember they are not the finished product
[08:01] <cbx33> the wallpaper isn;t complete
[08:01] <jsgotangco> no worries 
[08:02] <cbx33> anything i can do with old breezy cds?
[08:03] <jsgotangco> hey they're not so old
[08:03] <cbx33> sorry warty
[08:04] <cbx33> uploading the wallpaper in a min
[08:04] <jsgotangco> hmm i should install warty again and remember the old times
[08:04] <cbx33> heheh
[08:04] <ogra> you can buy cheap clockworks and sell them as do it yourself wallclocks on the flea market
[08:04] <cbx33> hehe
[08:05] <highvoltage> cbx33: breezy is current :)
[08:05] <ogra> heh
[08:05] <cbx33> she's looking so sleepy and sore
[08:05] <ogra> cbx33, how is it ?
[08:05] <ogra> :(
[08:05] <cbx33> we gave her a stroke and a hug....
[08:05] <cbx33> she should be home tomorrow
[08:05] <highvoltage> cbx33: send them to me, those warty cd's will be worth a lot one day
[08:06] <highvoltage> cbx33: unlike MS-DOS version 1 floppies
[08:06] <jsgotangco> we should have half naked models for the next release again
[08:06] <jsgotangco> heh
[08:06] <cbx33> hehe
[08:06] <LaserJock> heh, I wonder how much a sabdfl signe warty cd would go for in 10 years
[08:06] <jsgotangco> damn
[08:07] <cbx33> highvoltage: you would
[08:07] <jsgotangco> i have none even though i met sabdfl like 3 times
[08:07] <highvoltage> when i see him i hand him a cd and a marker and he knows what to do.
[08:07] <cbx33> i never met him
[08:07] <cbx33> :p
[08:08] <cbx33> but then I'm an ubuntu baby
[08:08] <jsgotangco> i believe he got swamped in india
[08:08] <LaserJock> cbx33: me too
[08:08] <cbx33> hehe
[08:08] <cbx33> http://www.progbox.co.uk/1.jpg
[08:09] <ogra> cbx33, come to paris between 18th and 24th of june and you can meet him
[08:09] <jsgotangco> or weisbaden during linuxtag
[08:09] <cbx33> actually I could do that....day trip....for the wifes birthday
[08:09] <ogra> yeah
[08:09] <ogra> on may 6th
[08:09] <jsgotangco> doe-eyed characters...
[08:09] <jsgotangco> anime influenced...
[08:10] <jsgotangco> nice chain though
[08:10] <jsgotangco> heh
[08:11] <jsgotangco> hmm im not sure about the background colo though
[08:11] <ogra> cbx33, if we shall ship it, the final version needs to be 1600x1200 
[08:11] <ogra> thats our default size
[08:11] <ogra> the characters are *very* cool
[08:11] <cbx33> that is the size of that version
[08:12] <jsgotangco> the characters need to have shadows or something at the bottom to have some sort of "space"
[08:12] <cbx33> should be anyway
[08:12] <ogra> i didnt check :)
[08:12] <cbx33> :p
[08:12] <cbx33> ogra, you think I'd submit to you somthing the wrong size :p
[08:12] <cbx33> lisa said she's going to work on the background of it later 
[08:12] <cbx33> jsgotangco, noted I'll tell her that....
[08:12] <ogra> jsgotangco, its not finished yet :) 
[08:12] <cbx33> she only finished the characters earlier on
[08:13] <LaserJock> beats the pants off the stupid green
[08:14] <ogra> yeah
[08:14] <cbx33> well if you have anything you'd like her to try I'm sure she'd be open to suggestions
[08:14] <cbx33> she's very glad you like them
[08:14] <jsgotangco> hmm
[08:14] <ogra> they are awesome 
[08:14] <jsgotangco> ogra: i know what the next troll on this
[08:14] <ogra> the best i've seen since long 
[08:14] <jsgotangco> the eyes are too big!!!
[08:14] <jsgotangco> heh
[08:14] <jsgotangco> before
[08:14] <jsgotangco> there are no eyes!
[08:14] <ogra> thats what my gf just said
[08:15] <ogra> but she noited as well that it matches the target audience perfectly
[08:15] <jsgotangco> comparing it with edubuntu girl
[08:15] <jsgotangco> yeah
[08:15] <cbx33> well....the guys of youthlug...and i repeat guys
[08:15] <cbx33> aged 15-16 loved them
[08:15] <edubuntugirl> :(
[08:15] <ogra> perfect
[08:15] <edubuntugirl> people don't like me?
[08:16] <jsgotangco> fanart is always appreciated 
[08:16] <cbx33> hehe
[08:16] <jsgotangco> edubuntugirl: there was this troll before...
[08:16] <edubuntugirl> jsgotangco: gotcha
[08:16] <jsgotangco> that started with the eyes till the color of the skin and went really nasty
[08:17] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: you spell it 'color' in your side of the world?
[08:17] <ogra> i'm off to get my GF to a chinese ...
[08:17] <ogra> bbl
[08:17] <cbx33> ok ogra you gonna be back later?
[08:17] <jsgotangco> chinese what?
[08:17] <cbx33> wanted to ask you a few things?
[08:17] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: yeah, we don't use colour here...
[08:17] <ogra> jsgotangco, torture :P
[08:17] <cbx33> colour here :p
[08:17] <ogra> restaurant indeed :)
[08:18] <cbx33> so you guys would like to see the end wallpaper result then ?? :p
[08:18] <jsgotangco> cbx33: of course
[08:18] <cbx33> :D
[08:18] <LaserJock> cbx33: most definately
[08:18] <cbx33> I'll crack the whip then
[08:18] <cbx33> heheh
[08:19] <jsgotangco> its always nice to see how people interpret the distribution
[08:19] <LaserJock> cbx33: heh, that's called encouragment, I think ;-)
[08:19] <cbx33> i always get that wrong
[08:22] <highvoltage> cbx33: looking now...
[08:23] <highvoltage> cbx33: mind posting a smaller version? like 600x400. that big pic just kills my connection
[08:24] <cbx33> sorry
[08:24] <cbx33> will do
[08:24] <cbx33> highvoltage, what connection you running on?
[08:26] <highvoltage> cbx33: gprs
[08:26] <cbx33> ah
[08:26] <cbx33> ok 2.jpg highvoltage 
[08:26] <highvoltage> thanks :)
[08:27] <highvoltage> lol!
[08:27] <highvoltage> they look like anime characters
[08:27] <cbx33> indeed
[08:27] <cbx33> my wife and i are into anime
[08:27] <cbx33> but then
[08:27] <highvoltage> i think they're really, really cool.
[08:27] <cbx33> so are a lot of kids these days
[08:27] <highvoltage> children will love them
[08:28] <highvoltage> when we connect a tuxlab to the internet, we often see dragon ball Z pop up on all the screens
[08:28] <highvoltage> could you draw some more characters?
[08:28] <cbx33> I'm sure I could ask her to
[08:28] <cbx33> what types
[08:28] <highvoltage> it would be nice if we had a selection of characters we could use accross the distro.
[08:28] <highvoltage> wow, that would be so nice
[08:29] <highvoltage> perhaps some younger ones too, and some older ones. perhaps some of them could play football or something.
[08:29] <cbx33> i'll let her know
[08:29] <attah_> Anyone in here that knows anything about the bug in the installer partitioner? 
[08:29] <cbx33> shes smiling a lot
[08:30] <attah_> or a bug :P
[08:31] <cbx33> highvoltage, I'm glad you like them
[08:32] <cbx33> did i hear we are doing a different theme for younger people?
[08:32] <highvoltage> :)
[08:32] <jsgotangco> heh
[08:32] <cbx33> we culd do the weeny charcters for it....
[08:32] <cbx33> I'll get lisa to draw a few for you guys to see
[08:32] <edubuntugirl> cbx33: is that the new me in that pic?
[08:32] <cbx33> indeed
[08:32] <edubuntugirl> cbx33: :D
[08:35] <LaserJock> man, oh man, my eyes are killing me
[08:35] <LaserJock> I think it might be time for a break
[08:35] <cbx33> good idea
[08:36] <cbx33> ooooooh i found my thesis
[08:36] <cbx33> anyone interested in Linearly Interpolated Spectrographic Analysis
[08:37] <jsgotangco> is that related to culinary arts?
[08:37] <jsgotangco> :)
[08:37] <cbx33> I'm htinking no
[08:37] <cbx33> I managed to name my thesis after my wife
[08:37] <cbx33> LISA
[08:37] <cbx33> heheheh
[08:37] <jsgotangco> lol
[08:38] <highvoltage> cbx33: your dog happen do have a name like ipod?
[08:38] <highvoltage> :P
[08:38] <cbx33> heheh
[08:38] <cbx33> no....
[08:39] <cbx33> i have a guinea pig named linux though
[08:41] <Petaris> which install option was I supposed to choose to install the ltsp stuff?
[08:41] <Petaris> I chose server
[08:41] <cbx33> the first one installs it all
[08:41] <cbx33> with server you have to install manually
[08:42] <lucasvo> cbx33: did your wife draw this?
[08:42] <cbx33> lucasvo, yes
[08:42] <lucasvo> http://www.progbox.co.uk/1.jpg
[08:42] <lucasvo> cool
[08:42] <Petaris> cbx33: ahh
[08:42] <Petaris> ok
[08:42] <cbx33> lucasvo, you like?
[08:43] <lucasvo> yes
[08:43] <lucasvo> but I think the logo is a bit too big
[08:43] <cbx33> its not a final version
[08:43] <cbx33> or even a draft
[08:55] <cbx33> highvoltage, ok spoken with lisa, shes gonna draw you some more as soon as she gets a spare second
[08:56] <highvoltage> nice :)
[08:56] <highvoltage> tell her we say thanks!
[08:56] <cbx33> i will
[08:56] <cbx33> oh, did you get a chance to comment on those docs yet? don;t worry if you didnt I'm still working on them anyway
[08:56] <cbx33> waiting for Bluekuja 
[08:56] <cbx33> hehe
[08:57] <highvoltage> i have them open in tabs :)
[08:57] <highvoltage> i stared at them a while this afternoon, but then i went blank
[08:57] <highvoltage> i'm not closing those tabs until i edit them ;P)
[08:58] <cbx33> hehe
[08:58] <cbx33> okie dokie....is it a case that they are so bad they are uneditable :p
[08:58] <cbx33> hehehe
[09:01] <highvoltage> nah, not that bad at all :)
[09:12] <cbx33> highvoltage, hehehe we're going to cut them all out and name them
[09:12] <highvoltage> nice!
[09:27] <cbx33> http://progbox.co.uk/thesis/
[09:27] <cbx33> hehe
[09:28] <cbx33> ah...i remember working on that on the bus
[09:28] <cbx33> heheh
[09:28] <cbx33> holding my laptops speakers to my ears
[09:32] <Petaris> How do I enable the root account
[09:32] <cbx33> you don;t
[09:32] <cbx33> just use sudo
[09:33] <Petaris> I wan't to be able to su - into root
[09:33] <cbx33> you can
[09:33] <cbx33> sudo su -
[09:34] <highvoltage> sudo -s or sudo -i is more correct
[09:34] <Petaris> do all accounts have sudo capability?
[09:34] <cbx33> sorry highvoltage 
[09:34] <highvoltage> even more correct is just typing sudo before each command ;)
[09:34] <highvoltage> hehe
[09:34] <cbx33> well yeh
[09:34] <cbx33> that's what i use now
[09:34] <highvoltage> Petaris: only the first account has sudo access
[09:35] <highvoltage> Petaris: you may add sudo capabilities to other accounts by using the visudo command
[09:35] <cbx33> though you can set up otherse with it
[09:35] <cbx33> :p
[09:35] <cbx33> highvoltage, you may have to refresh those docs
[09:35] <cbx33> I'm thinking of updating one
[09:36] <Petaris> how can I re-enable su -
[09:36] <Petaris> so I don't have to sudo to do it
[09:37] <highvoltage> you can do a sudo passwd root
[09:37] <highvoltage> but it's not recommended
[09:37] <Petaris> ok
[09:37] <Petaris> why is it not recommended>?
[09:38] <Petaris> its more secure then sudo
[09:38] <cbx33> in what way
[09:38] <cbx33> with sudo you are acknowleding that every command you typ should be typed as root
[09:38] <Petaris> sudo you don't need the root password, only yours
[09:38] <highvoltage> Petaris: ubuntu is designed to work with sudo, and without root, so some things break
[09:39] <highvoltage> for instance, ubuntu has a recovery mode option in grub
[09:39] <highvoltage> if you have a root password, then ubuntu will prompt you for it when you boot in single user mode, instead of dropping you in a shell.
[09:39] <Petaris> so?
[09:39] <highvoltage> this has caused a problem in schools for instance, where they know the admin password, but not the root password.
[09:39] <Petaris> then I will enter it
[09:40] <Petaris> ahh
[09:40] <highvoltage> it might sound trivial, and it is, but there is consequences. if you ask on #ubuntu they could probably give you more, better, concrete reasons.
[09:41] <highvoltage> Petaris: for what it's worth, i do it on my personal machines, and i don't have any problems. but i would suggest that you don't do it on a heavy production machine.
[09:41] <highvoltage> Petaris: just in case something goes wrong, because then the fingers will point at you ;)
[09:41] <cbx33> heheh
[09:41] <highvoltage> Petaris: and then you'd say but #edubuntu said it's ok!
[09:41] <Petaris> they will anyway
[09:41] <Petaris> I'm the IT Adming
[09:41] <Petaris> er, admin
[09:41] <highvoltage> hehe.
[09:41] <cbx33> highvoltage, would never steer us wrong :p
[09:42] <cbx33> Petaris, I know the feeling
[09:42] <cbx33> you ok Yagisan ?
[09:42] <Petaris> But sudo is too much of a hassel for me to get things done, and there is very little security risk in this setting
[09:42] <Yagisan> 5am!
[09:43] <cbx33> go to bed
[09:43] <Yagisan> Petaris: keep in mind sudo, will log everything that was run
[09:43] <cbx33> you deserve it
[09:43] <cbx33> tbh
[09:43] <cbx33> Petaris, I used to do the same as you
[09:43] <cbx33> I was using fedora back then
[09:43] <cbx33> then I switched to ubuntu and hated the idea of suding
[09:44] <cbx33> basically because when i had finsihed an expert install I cou;dnt run any G-app that required root privilages
[09:44] <cbx33> I had to add myself to the sudo group...which i was unaware of tback then
[09:44] <cbx33> but now I much prefer it
[09:44] <Yagisan> cbx33: you should file a bug on those
[09:44] <Petaris> grr, sudo is broken
[09:44] <cbx33> stops me doing stupid things as root
[09:44] <Petaris> now what do I do
[09:44] <cbx33> Yagisan, it's not a bug
[09:44] <cbx33> apparently it's intentional
[09:44] <Petaris> with out su - or root I can't fix it
[09:44] <cbx33> I think something should pop up and warn you
[09:45] <cbx33> but they think not
[09:45] <Yagisan> cbx33: any app that needs rooy, needs the desktop file amended to use gksudo
[09:45] <highvoltage> goodnight, Yagisan 
[09:45] <cbx33> Yagisan, it wasn't that
[09:45] <cbx33> it was the in the normal installthe visudoers file is ammeneded
[09:45] <cbx33> in the expert install it isn't
[09:45] <Yagisan> ah
[09:46] <Petaris> I changed the hostname and now sudo is not letting me do anything
[09:46] <Petaris> any ideas how to fix that?
[09:46] <highvoltage> i vaguely remember getting that before, and remembering it was easy to fix
[09:46] <Yagisan> nightall.
[09:46] <cbx33> night 
[09:47] <highvoltage> did you change it by using the hostname command, and by editing /etc/hostname
[09:47] <highvoltage> and make sure that the new hostname is in /etc/hosts?
[09:47] <Petaris> I just edited /etc/hostname
[09:47] <Petaris> I forgot to put it in /etc/hosts
[09:48] <highvoltage> sudo hostname `cat /etc/hostname`
[09:48] <Petaris> I can't sudo
[09:48] <highvoltage> ah, right :)
[09:48] <Petaris> it just gives me a hostname error
[09:48] <Petaris> This is one of the reasons su - or the root account should be left accessable
[09:49] <highvoltage> or change the hostname properly :)
[09:49] <highvoltage> i think you might have to boot into single user mode to fix that :/
[09:49] <highvoltage> there might be a better way, but that's the quickest way i can think of
[09:50] <Petaris> I'll boot into dsl, and change the etc/hosts file
[09:56] <Petaris> well enough for today
[09:56] <Petaris> I'm off
[09:57] <highvoltage> goodnight, Petaris 
[09:57] <Petaris> bye, and thanks for the help
[09:57] <cbx33> nn Petaris 
[11:03] <nomad> I have a question, if theres anyone here who can help
[11:03] <cbx33> !seen Bluekuja 
[11:03] <ubotu> bluekuja is currently on #kubuntu (1d 1h 5m 39s) #edubuntu (1d 1h 5m 39s) #ubuntu (1d 1h 5m 39s)
[11:03] <cbx33> what;s up nomad 
[11:03] <nomad> ok well I was wondering how to log into root
[11:03] <cbx33> hehe
[11:03] <nomad> I've tried logging out
[11:03] <cbx33> sorry second time we've had this question today
[11:03] <nomad> and back in as "root"
[11:03] <cbx33> you don;t log in as root
[11:04] <nomad> oh
[11:04] <cbx33> if you need to use root
[11:04] <cbx33> u put the command sudo before the command you wish to run as root
[11:04] <cbx33> for example
[11:04] <cbx33> /etc/init.d/apache2 restart
[11:04] <cbx33> won;t work as a normal user
[11:04] <cbx33> but
[11:04] <nomad> well I need to edit a file, which can only be done as root. i wanted to edit the fstab file so my windows partition is automatically mounted at startup.
[11:04] <cbx33> sudo /etc/init.dapache2 restart would
[11:04] <cbx33> ok
[11:04] <cbx33> do
[11:04] <cbx33> sudo nano /etc/fstab
[11:05] <nomad> ohhh
[11:05] <cbx33> it'll ask for your password the first time you do it
[11:05] <nomad> i never thought of opening it in the terminal
[11:05] <cbx33> you could always do 
[11:05] <cbx33> sudo gedit /etc/fstab
[11:05] <cbx33> which would load gedit with root privialges to edit the file
[11:06] <nomad> Ok i did the Gedit method, thanks alot
[11:06] <cbx33> np
[11:06] <LaserJock> cbx33: do you know when you are supposed to use gksudo?
[11:06] <nomad> Ok so I edited the fstab file, but I'm confused about the last part, under "options" in the file's text
[11:07] <nomad> what do I put there?
[11:07] <cbx33> LaserJock, I've never used it
[11:07] <cbx33> i don;t sudo in gui a lot
[11:07] <LaserJock> cbx33: me neither, that's why I asked. :-)
[11:07] <cbx33> heheheh
[11:07] <nomad> i put "default"
[11:07] <cbx33> we should man gksudo
[11:08] <cbx33> that should be fine
[11:08] <cbx33> sorry guys i gotta dash to be
[11:08] <cbx33> bed
[11:08] <LaserJock> cbx33: if I had an Ubuntu box I would
[11:08] <cbx33> very tired
[11:08] <cbx33> :p
[11:08] <nomad> oh alright, thanks again
[11:08] <cbx33> sorry nomad 
[11:08] <cbx33> got a very early morning 
[11:08] <LaserJock> nomad: those are additional options for mounting
[11:08] <LaserJock> nomad: what are you adding to fstab?
[11:08] <cbx33> LaserJock, is more than capable of answering any questions you have :p
[11:08] <LaserJock> cya cbx33 
[11:08] <cbx33> he's a genius
[11:09] <LaserJock> heh, I don't think so
[11:09] <cbx33> :p
[11:09] <cbx33> nn LaserJock 
[11:09] <nomad> my windows partition, so it mounts at startup, instead of typing "sudo mount ..... so on" every time
[11:09] <cbx33> nomad, just to point out....i did have trouble doing this...
[11:09] <cbx33> i tried a little while ago
[11:09] <LaserJock> yeah, probably defaults would be fine then, I think
[11:09] <cbx33> but normal users couldn;t write to it
[11:09] <nomad> ok well thats what I did, thanks
[11:09] <cbx33> oh wait
[11:09] <cbx33> no sorry
[11:09] <cbx33> that was an smbfs mount
[11:10] <cbx33> ignore me I'm tired
[11:10] <nomad> uh, alright
[11:10] <LaserJock> yeah, sometimes you have to put users I think if you want to let any user mount it
[11:10] <nomad> one last question, the reason i'm doing all this is to access my windows partition where all my music is stored
[11:10] <nomad> however when i try to play the files in like 'rythmbox", it says it cant find any decoders on the system and that i need to install some
[11:11] <nomad> i'm the only one using this computer so Its ok
[11:11] <LaserJock> nomad: what format is the music? mp3?
[11:11] <nomad> yes
[11:11] <nomad> and some wma's
[11:11] <LaserJock> yeah, mp3 has got some legal problems, especially in the US
[11:11] <nomad> what do you mean?
[11:12] <LaserJock> well, technically in the US I think I have to pay to be able to play mp3s
[11:12] <LaserJock> there are patent (or copyright) issues
[11:12] <nomad> -_- thats retarded....how about the WMAs?
[11:13] <LaserJock> nomad: are you running 5.10 (breezy) or Dapper?
[11:13] <nomad> breezy
[11:13] <nomad> just installed a few hours ago
[11:13] <LaserJock> nomad: first linux install? or have you been using it for a while
[11:14] <nomad> i've used linux for a while, but i
[11:14] <LaserJock> anyway, the place to go to get what you need would be https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[11:14] <nomad> 'm not that familiar with it
[11:15] <LaserJock> some linux distros ship the non-free codecs either illegally (in the US anyway) or pay something like USD$150,000 to ship them
[11:17] <LaserJock> and I'm not sure if WMAs will play or not
[11:17] <nomad> Why are MP3's illegal? I thought MP3's were something from the FSM anyways
[11:18] <LaserJock> nomad: see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mp3#Licensing_and_patent_issues
[11:21] <LaserJock> nomad: and see http://www.mp3licensing.com/royalty/ for royalty rates if people wanted to ship decoders or encoders
[11:21] <nomad> "Thus while patent fees have been an issue for companies attempting to use MP3, they have not meaningfully impacted users, allowing the format to grow in popularity."
[11:21] <nomad> "Thomson has stated that individuals using free MP3 encoders are not required to pay fees."
[11:21] <nomad> Well what about WMA
[11:21] <nomad> ?
[11:22] <LaserJock> well, WMA is a prorietary Microsoft codec, as far as I know
[11:22] <nomad> Thats what I thought, so its the same deal?
[11:22] <LaserJock> sort of, I'm not sure exactly
[11:23] <nomad> Is there a way I can change my mp3's into something open source like ogg vorbis?
[11:23] <LaserJock> basically it comes down to, if you live in the US (or some other countries) it is best to go with an open source codec like ogg
[11:23] <LaserJock> there are but you usually lose sound quality
[11:23] <nomad> noticable loss?
[11:24] <LaserJock> probably depends, I've done it before and I really didn't notice it much
[11:24] <nomad> alright well I'll give it a shot.... how would I go about doing it?
[11:24] <LaserJock> but people who really care about audio will throw a fit if you tell them you did it ;-)
[11:24] <nomad> audiophiles...
[11:25] <LaserJock> I'd check out ubuntuforums.org I can't remember what tools are out there, but there are some
[11:25] <LaserJock> not sure about the WMAs though
[11:25] <bimberi> !info mp32ogg
[11:25] <ubotu> mp32ogg: (Converts MP3 file to Ogg Vorbis), section universe/sound, is optional. Version: 0.11-4 (breezy), Packaged size: 7 kB, Installed size: 64 kB
[11:25] <bimberi> nomad: ^^^ there's one :)
[11:26] <LaserJock> doh, and the bot saves me again
[11:26] <Sonofaq> lol
[11:26] <nomad> is that a package i can go ahead andinstall?
[11:27] <bimberi> nomad: sure, if you have universe enabled
[11:27] <LaserJock> nomad: yes, as long as you  have the Universe repo enabled
[11:27] <LaserJock> ack and bimberi beat me to it
[11:27] <nomad> how do i do that? (sorry i'm such a n00b >_>'
[11:27] <LaserJock> nomad: that wiki page I gave you has instructions
[11:27] <bimberi> sorry LaserJock :) - no i'm heading off myself
[11:27] <nomad> Oh
[11:28] <LaserJock> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[11:28] <LaserJock> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto in particular
[11:28] <LaserJock> bimberi: np, I'm just used to -motu where all we have is a bug bot
[11:29] <bimberi> LaserJock: ah :)
[11:30] <Sonofaq> im a bit of an audio freak, but i think that ogg is a ery useful format
[11:30] <Sonofaq> especialy for space saving
[11:30] <nomad> universe or universe multiverse? Or does it matter?
[11:30] <crimsun> 'ogg' is actually just a container; I presume you're referring to the vorbis format.
[11:31] <LaserJock> well, you can do both
[11:31] <Sonofaq> yeah
[11:31] <LaserJock> crimsun: true
[11:31] <Sonofaq> you forget it sometimes
[11:31] <nomad> Ok, I added the community maintained universe repository, is that all I need to d?
[11:32] <LaserJock> well ogg-vorbis is just too long for me to type ;-)
[11:32] <nomad> do?*
[11:32] <Sonofaq> lol
[11:32] <LaserJock> nomad: yeah, so once you reload the cache you should be able to search for it
[11:32] <nomad> alright i'm doing that
[11:34] <nomad> Ok i got it installed, thanks alot :D
[11:34] <LaserJock> no problem
[11:34] <LaserJock> nomad: btw, the wiki can be pretty useful
[11:34] <Sonofaq> yeah the wiki is very useful
[11:35] <LaserJock> I'm also on the documentation team, there is quite a bit of help
[11:35] <Sonofaq> laserlock you know cbx33 wht do you think about  the schools advocacy so far
[11:37] <Sonofaq> heres the address if you havent looked yet 
[11:37] <Sonofaq> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuSchoolAdvocacy
[11:37] <LaserJock> I haven't
[11:38] <Sonofaq> also whats this about themm maybe hanging the edubuntu colours
[11:39] <Sonofaq> changing*
[11:43] <LaserJock> I don't know that the colors will change, but somebody is wanting to change the wallpaper to look like a chalkboard (green)
[11:44] <LaserJock> sorta looks like Win95
[11:45] <highvoltage> yeah. the teal background in win95, that's right.
[11:45] <Sonofaq> yeah i think that the current version look warm and very nice
[11:46] <Sonofaq> cbx33 wife is doing some edubuntu backrounds to try and help advertise the old colours so far they look realy good
[11:46] <LaserJock> Sonofaq: so what is the purpose of the page? A place for teachers to go to? 
[11:48] <bimberi> from the School Advocacy page - "LTSP, the Linux Terminal Server Project, whilst not a true thin client system,,," - why?
[11:48] <Sonofaq> no the whole idea is we are going to do a leaflet that goes out to school across the uk if we get approval plus there will be an onine versoin with more links
[11:48] <Sonofaq> i  dont know pete wrote that
[11:48] <LaserJock> Sonofaq: ah, ok.
[11:49] <Sonofaq> yeah, we are trying to give more noledge and choice to schools that dont know about it
[11:49] <binary> I have another question.
[11:49] <LaserJock> hmm, I think it could use some editing perhaps
[11:50] <Sonofaq> ok
[11:50] <binary> (sorry)
[11:50] <Sonofaq> we are going to be adding loads yet
[11:50] <Sonofaq> its only just started
[11:50] <binary> Well i've tried playing one of the files. And it worked, for the most part, like I could see the song playing, the time counter went up and so forth)
[11:50] <binary> but no sound from my speakers at all
[11:50] <LaserJock> Sonofaq: mind if I do a little editing?
[11:51] <Sonofaq> no go ahead and join the team any ideas are bril
[11:51] <Sonofaq> no sound
[11:51] <binary> nope. I talked to crimsun about it, and he made me pastebin about it.
[11:52] <nomad> sorry, binay was me.
[11:52] <crimsun> nomad: pass me the url, please
[11:52] <nomad> http://liste.uludag.org.tr/paketler-commits/2005-February/000591.html
[11:53] <crimsun> uhh
[11:53] <crimsun> what in the world is that?
[11:53] <crimsun> (I asked you to pastebin the output from the commands :-)
[11:54] <nomad> *OH*
[11:54] <Sonofaq> laserlock: the project partial came about becaust at my school where pete works we were trying to get a edubuntu booting off of the network system going we manage to get the main netbot sorted and we are still working on the rest but cbx33 and andrea thought that they would start somethingfor schools so all help igood
[11:54] <crimsun> nomad: migrating back to #ubuntu
[11:54] <nomad> I'm going to need the command again...
[12:01] <Sonofaq> im off to bed guys bye