[12:15] <Lure> btw, we are talking getting it to System submenu and not main menu, right?
[12:19] <Hobbsee> Lure: yes
[12:22] <freeflying> Tonio_: ktranslator is 0.4 now , works more well thanit is in universe now 
[12:23] <Tonio_> freeflying: uvfe required ?
[12:23] <freeflying> Tonio_: ya
[12:23] <Tonio_> freeflying: will do this we :)
[12:24] <freeflying> Tonio_: how to get the build log of pbuilder? 
[12:25] <Tonio_> freeflying: sudo pbuilder build -o output.file bla.dsc
[12:26] <freeflying> Tonio_: can't get it with -o option
[12:26] <Tonio_> hu ?
[12:26] <Tonio_> freeflying: arf sorry
[12:26] <Tonio_> freeflying: sudo pbuilder build --logfile output.file bla.dsc
[12:27] <freeflying> then where shall the logfile be?
[12:27] <ajmitch_> in the current directory
[12:28] <freeflying> strange, I've trid with --logfile and pkgname-logfile, still can not get the log
[12:29] <Tonio_> freeflying: paste tour command here plz ?
[01:20] <Hobbsee> this is tedious.....
[01:20] <Lure> ;-)
[01:26] <Lure> looks like #kubuntu-devel when everybody is online ;-)
[01:27] <Hobbsee> Lure: hehe rather.  and while tha'ts great, it's not for a meeting when you're trying to get stuff sorted out!
[01:28] <Lure> agree - we need somebody to lead each meeting and press for time 
[01:28] <Lure> raphink did it once and it was not that bad...
[01:28] <freeflying> raphink: can you confirm the craches of kcmviewer on ppc
[01:29] <Hobbsee> Lure: Riddell does it most of the time...he's just not much of a firecracker about it :P - he does do a good job though
[01:29] <Lure> you need to have somebody to say: "that is off-topic"
[01:29] <raphink> didn't ahve the time to test freeflying
[01:29] <raphink> I don't have much time for me lately
[01:29] <raphink> very very busy
[01:31] <Hobbsee> raphink: that's as i thought - you and Riddell do heaps, and the rest of us are kind of lost, not really knowing what to do that much...
[01:32] <raphink> Hobbsee: I don't do heaps lately
[01:32] <raphink> ;)
[01:33] <Hobbsee> well, more heaps
[01:41] <freeflying> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.org.cn/79
[01:42] <freeflying> robotgeek: are you around
[01:50] <Hobbsee> Lure: bug 31710
[01:50] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 31710 in xfce4-session "package won't install - clashes with xfce4-toys" [Normal,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/31710
[01:50] <Hobbsee> nope...
[01:50] <Hobbsee> Lure: bug 30710
[01:50] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 30710 in kdeadmin knetworkconf "Configuring a wlan0 in system settings/kcontrol crashes system settings" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/30710
[01:50] <Hobbsee> that looks better!
[01:51] <Lure> Fixed last week 
[01:51] <Hobbsee> right.  there was more added to it, in my inbox this morning...so i dunno.  i'll ask for more testers
[01:52] <Lure> bug 30775
[01:52] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 30775 in kdeadmin knetworkconf "[Dapper]  Application Crash when trying to configure network interface thats not enabled" [Normal,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/30775
[01:52] <Lure> I have fixed those:
[01:52] <Hobbsee> gotcha
[01:52] <Lure>   * Add kubuntu_03_dns_alias.diff to fix wrong warning about missing
[01:52] <Lure>     alias in DNS server add dialog (Closes: Malone #35507)
[01:52] <Lure>   * Add kubuntu_04_enable_apply.diff: before enable/disable interface
[01:52] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 35507 in kdeadmin knetworkconf ""You have to type an alias first" appears when adding DNS server in network settings" [Normal,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/35507
[01:52] <Lure>     check if settings have been changed and ask user to apply
[01:52] <Lure>     (Closes: Malone #35509)
[01:52] <Lure>   * Add kubuntu_05_net_calc_crash.diff to fix crash in netmask/broadcast
[01:52] <Lure>     calculation in case of empty/uninitialized fields (Closes: Malone #30775)
[01:52] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 35509 in kdeadmin knetworkconf "Enabling network interface fails if changes to network settings have not been applied" [Normal,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/35509
[01:52] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 30775 in kdeadmin knetworkconf "[Dapper]  Application Crash when trying to configure network interface thats not enabled" [Normal,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/30775
[01:52] <Lure>   * Added kubuntu_02_wep_key.diff to fix WEP key (Malone #24516)
[01:52] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 24516 in kdeadmin knetworkconf "Wireless Configuration Writes Bad Interfaces File" [Normal,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/24516
[01:52] <Hobbsee> right...koay
[01:53] <Lure> I am looking now to fix bug 18069 which also breaks n-m
[01:53] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 18069 in kdeadmin knetworkconf "Syntax error in /etc/network/interfaces file" [Normal,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/18069
[01:53] <Lure> (but it is harder than I thought)
[01:55] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:55] <Hobbsee> it's a bit like that...
[02:04] <apokryphos> bug system is still listed as "Bugzilla" on the Kubuntu site :D
[02:08] <Riddell> apokryphos: where?
[02:08] <Riddell> hmm, yes
[02:08] <apokryphos> =)
[02:09] <apokryphos> would be nice as well, I think, to have the wiki links in the navigation point to the kubuntu wiki
[02:10] <apokryphos> nicer blue 8)
[02:11] <Riddell> fixed
[02:11] <Riddell> thanks
[02:19] <Hobbsee> LOL!  i mentoined earlier that no one had complained about the artwork for a while...and now am proved wrong
[02:21] <Hobbsee> oh, he's on breezy..that's okay then
[05:13] <robotgeek> freeflying-ibook: pong
[05:15] <freeflying-ibook> robotgeek: can you use kchmviewer on ppc 
[05:15] <robotgeek> freeflying-ibook: okay, let me install. 
[05:15] <robotgeek> freeflying-ibook: any specific repo?
[05:16] <freeflying-ibook> robotgeek: in universe
[05:16] <freeflying-ibook> I'm suffering crashes of it 
[05:17] <robotgeek> freeflying-ibook: do you have .chm handy?
[05:18] <freeflying-ibook> robotgeek: sorry,no
[05:19] <robotgeek> kk, lemme google
[05:22] <robotgeek> freeflying-ibook: yes , crashes on startup
[05:27] <freeflying-ibook> robotgeek: bug 34610
[05:27] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 34610 in kchmviewer "Crashes when I try to run or open chm file " [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/34610
[05:38] <robotgeek> freeflying-ibook: added my backtrace too
[05:40] <freeflying-ibook> robotgeek: it crashes on ppc, but works fine on i386,even the latest
[05:40] <robotgeek> hmm, weird. i never used this, use xchm mostly
[05:43] <freeflying-ibook> this can support unicode better then xchm, heh
[05:44] <robotgeek> ah, okay. i did not know this existed :P
[08:21] <Sime> Riddell: Guidance 0.6.6 is out ( http://www.simonzone.com/software/guidance/ )
[10:50] <freeflying> seaLne: ping
[10:54] <seaLne> morning
[10:55] <freeflying> seaLne: the interview of Jane has been translated into Chinese
[10:55] <freeflying> seaLne: http://www.foss.org.cn/node/103
[10:56] <seaLne> cool
[10:56] <seaLne> you doing Riddell as well?
[10:57] <freeflying> seaLne: sure
[10:59] <freeflying> seaLne: http://www.foss.org.cn/node/85 --< Riddell's
[11:01] <seaLne> freeflying: roughly how long does it take to translate?
[11:01] <freeflying> seaLne: 1-2 days
[11:02] <seaLne> how many hours?
[11:02] <freeflying> seaLne: If i do like Riddell's , maybe 1-2 hrs
[11:48] <Riddell> cool!  I'm in Chinese
[11:49] <freeflying> Riddell: got my feedback of beta2?
[11:53] <Riddell> freeflying: Lure tested it yesterday and seemed happy
[11:54] <Riddell> cool, mepis loves us http://www.mepis.org/node/9745
[11:55] <freeflying> Riddell: i'm a exception? but I also got feddbacks about this 
[12:01] <Riddell> freeflying: what sort of feedback?
[12:02] <freeflying> Riddell: fail to grub install 
[12:05] <Riddell> from text installer?
[12:05] <freeflying> ya
[12:06] <freeflying> and also another issue , when I choose chinese from gfxboot , then I can not select lanuage in d-i
[12:09] <OdyX> plop
[12:21] <Hobbsee_away> oh evening Riddell - did you have a good sleep?
[12:22] <Riddell> Hobbsee_away: yes, wonderful thanks
[12:22] <Hobbsee_away> :)
[12:51] <kwwii> moing
[12:51] <Hobbsee> hey again kwwii 
[12:51] <kwwii> howdy Hobsee
[12:53] <Riddell> morning kwwii, brainwashing ceremony go ok?
[12:53] <kwwii> lol, sorry
[12:53] <kwwii> Riddell: yeah, but it was really stressy
[12:54] <kwwii> Riddell: I think they convinced him
[12:57] <kwwii> anyone here know which stand number the kubuntu stand at linuxtag is?
[01:08] <Lure> Riddell: any define in KDE headers for byte-order (LSB/MSB)? I need to fix 23750 and need to know byte order (or platform at least)
[01:09] <Lure> bug 23750
[01:09] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 23750 in kdeadmin knetworkconf "kcm_knetworkconfmodule: route: inverse byte order, like 1.x.168.192" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/23750
[01:15] <Lure> Riddell: I could use /usr/include/endian.h, but not sure how portable this is (probably just Linux) - do we care for other?
[01:15] <Lure> ;-)
[01:22] <Lure> Riddell: found it - Q_BYTE_ORDER is probably more portable
[01:52] <LeeJunFan> Riddell: did you have a different cups to test still somewhere other than in repos for dapper? I can't print to PDF from konqueror currently.
[01:52] <LeeJunFan> Riddell: although I think it's actually GS that's the problem.
[01:54] <Hobbsee> LeeJunFan: and Lure - Riddell is AFK
[02:27] <OdyX> Did the "Linux for human beings" disappeared from Ubuntu's communication yet ?
[02:49] <Hobbsee> robotgeek: er, why?
[02:58] <Sime> Riddell: Guidance 0.6.6 is out ( http://www.simonzone.com/software/guidance/ )
[03:02] <Riddell> Sime: excellent, does it fix the Apply issues?
[03:12] <sebas> Nice logo: http://tweakers.net/reviews/623/2 ;-)
[03:15] <Riddell> sebas: yes, that has been pointed out before
[03:15] <Riddell> it's incase this whole giving away software at no cost thing fails, we can just close them down for trademark infringement :)
[03:26] <Lure> freeflying: around? can you try attached patch in bug 23750?
[03:26] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 23750 in kdeadmin knetworkconf "kcm_knetworkconfmodule: route: inverse byte order, like 1.x.168.192" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/23750
[03:27] <Lure> or anybody else that can build and test on PPC
[03:27] <freeflying> Lure: hi
[03:27] <Lure> freeflying: hi
[03:28] <freeflying> Lure: need now ?
[03:29] <Lure> freeflying: when it is fine with you - I just do not want to request upload before test as it has platform conditional code
[03:30] <freeflying> Lure: ok, build it now
[03:31] <sebas> Riddell: Ah, always good to have at least one stable business model at hand ;-)
[03:36] <freeflying> Lure: building
[03:37] <Lure> freeflying: thanks!
[03:37] <freeflying> Lure: not at all  :)
[03:46] <freeflying> Lure: done, how can I give you 
[03:48] <freeflying> Lure: works
[03:56] <Lure> freeflying: great - and thanks again!
[03:57] <freeflying> Lure: or I upload the debdiff to LP?
[03:57] <Lure> freeflying: I have still ono or two fixes I plan to include today, therefore I plan to send it by the end of day...
[03:57] <freeflying> Lure: okey
[03:58] <freeflying> Lure: you've tested beta2?
[03:58] <Lure> freeflying: yep, LiveCD + Ubiquity install on my desktop - 
[03:59] <Lure> some minor glitches still, but it does not corrupt partition table for me anymore
[03:59] <freeflying> Lure: the text-installer fails to install grub for me 
[04:00] <Lure> freeflying: interesting, but text installer is the same as in beta1 - they did not change the CD image...
[04:00] <freeflying> Lure: alpha, I've got feedbacks about this issue
[04:01] <freeflying> Lure: from alpha, I've got feedbacks about this issue
[04:21] <Sime> Riddell: Apply button issue. No, I haven't had enough time to go into systemsettings and work it out yet.
[04:21] <Sime> Riddell: I figured it would be a good idea not to sit on bug fixes too long now. => release.
[04:22] <Riddell> yep
[04:22] <Riddell> that's 0.6.6 uploaded now
[05:06] <Lure> Sime: while looking at systemsettings, can you explain bug 23818? it looks like network module does not shutdown on Show All
[05:06] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 23818 in kde-systemsettings "When a page is unsaved, hitting show all, followed by "apply" to save settings results in the page being reloaded in the background, blocking you from using it again" [Normal,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/23818
[05:33] <Sime> Lure: I can't seem to reproduce the problem here.
[05:33] <kmon> mmm
[05:34] <kmon> kubuntu bittorrent for beta2 is a little bit slow
[05:34] <Sime> Lure: What I can say is that tell networkconf to discard the changes, doesn't actually discard the changes.
[05:34] <kmon> at least for amd64 live cd :(
[05:34] <Sime> Lure: BTW, clicking on Show All doesn't unload the modules. This is true (and OK).
[05:34] <Sime> Lure: The older version of systemsetting unloaded modules and crashed things a lot.
[05:35] <Lure> Sime: ok, I thought that show all should unload it - then I need to fix Discard... :-(
[05:36] <Lure> Sime: maybe knetworkconf is counting on that it will be unloaded to actually Discard...
[05:36] <Sime> Lure: It did, but it was very buggy.
[05:36] <Sime> Lure: maybe.
[05:36] <Lure> Sime: thanks - at least I know what to look for now...
[05:37] <Sime> Lure: BTW, if you run two instances of sys-settings...
[05:37] <Sime> Lure: ...then you can't go to admin mode in networkconf for example, in both.
[05:38] <Sime> Lure: You can't run the same module twice as root.
[05:38] <Lure> Sime: you cannot even open the network in second 
[05:38] <Sime> Lure: as the normal user you can. But going to admin mode wno't work.
[05:38] <Lure> Sime: networkconf does not allow it even for normal user (at least for me)
[05:39] <Sime> Lure: oh... also as a normal user too...
[05:39] <Lure> Sime: but that is not a problem I think... not real-life use case IMHO
[05:40] <Sime> Lure: no it is not a problem. But it might look like a bug to some people.
[05:40] <Sime> Lure: actually the behaviour kind of is a good idea.
[05:41] <Lure> Sime: I think so - it does not make much sense to allow even for non-root to have two open at the same time
[05:41] <Sime> Lure: you also stand a good chance of corrupting config files that way too.
[05:45] <Lure> Sime: but if we change to that, then having module running after Show All does not make much sense as the other window will complain that it is already running even than you are now already in different module...
[05:46] <Sime> Lure: maybe... The fact is that I tried to fix the old behaviour (unloading) and couldn't get it worked out so that things didn't crash all the time when click on Show All.
[05:48] <Lure> Sime: were crashes only with specific modules or in general? It may be easier to fix those modules that try to address side effects (even thought they are minor annoyances and not crashes)
[05:50] <Sime> Lure: it got trick with the modules running as Admin. (i.e. as an external process).
[06:36] <Tonio_> hey
[06:36] <Riddell> salut tonio
[06:37] <Riddell> Tonio_: seen the announcement about the ubuntu distro spec sprint?
[06:37] <Tonio_> nope
[06:37] <Tonio_> just back from work :)
[06:37] <Riddell> word on the streets is that it's in paris
[06:37] <Tonio_> Riddell: url ?
[06:37] <Riddell> I don't actually have one
[06:38] <Tonio_> okay
[06:38] <Tonio_> so you'll be in paris soon ? ^^
[06:38] <Riddell> June
[06:39] <Tonio_> great, if you don't have a place to sleep, you can come at home, no pb, I have two rooms and leave alone since girlfriend is gone, so that's fine :)
[06:39] <Tonio_> I just saw compiz now works with aiglx
[06:39] <Tonio_> very interesting since aiglx is by far easier to integrate than xgl
[06:39] <Tonio_> anyone tested ?
[06:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: will the ubuntu spec sprint be opened to public ?
[06:43] <Riddell> Tonio_: yes of course
[06:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: great, I'll be there, and that'll be my latest month in paris, since I'm leaving to orleans in july :)
[06:45] <Riddell> 18th to 24th
[06:46] <Riddell> and just as a warning, these events are grueling long days of hard labour writing and discussing specs.  but occationally we have fun too :)
[06:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: sounds very interesting, I'll be there, no pb ;)
[06:49] <Tonio_> salut mon raphinou
[06:49] <Riddell> ah, raphink, up for long Parisian nights of fun and joy?
[06:50] <raphink> haha
[06:50] <raphink> Riddell: my bets friend is here for a few days
[06:50] <raphink> so I spend quite a lot of time with her as it happens very very few
[06:50] <Riddell> good, bring him too
[06:50] <toma> going to bed at 2am does not improve productivity during the next work day...
[06:50] <raphink> salut Tonio_
[06:50] <Riddell> 18th to 24th June, Paris
[06:51] <raphink> Riddell: what's going on there at that time?
[06:51] <Riddell> raphink: ubuntu distro spec sprint!
[06:51] <raphink> oh great :)
[06:51] <raphink> in Paris ?
[06:51] <raphink> :D :D
[06:51] <Riddell> oui oui
[06:51] <freeflying-ibook> Riddell: after that will be a i18n conference?
[06:51] <Riddell> freeflying-ibook: no idea, I've not heard of one
[06:51] <raphink> that's great :)
[06:52] <raphink> thanks for the news Riddell
[06:52] <jpatrick> Riddell: any idea what my issue is now: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/687276
[06:52] <Riddell> with all our great French contributors we should have a good kubuntu showing :)
[06:52] <Riddell> /bin/sed: can't read /usr/lib/libkeximain.la: No such file or directory
[06:52] <freeflying-ibook> Riddell: heard from mvo :)
[06:52] <jpatrick> d'oh
[06:52] <Riddell> jpatrick: your issue is that libtool is evil
[06:52] <raphink> toma: it's when you gather for a few days to talk about what is gonna be done in the next version of the distro
[06:53] <Riddell> jpatrick: maybe I need to include that file in koffice-dev
[06:53] <jpatrick> or, should I just dep on kexi ?
[06:53] <toma> raphink: ow, ok, but 4 days?
[06:53] <raphink> toma: sure
[06:53] <raphink> lots of work
[06:53] <toma> 6 even
[06:53] <raphink> to draft stuff and all
[06:54] <Riddell> jpatrick: if that file is in kext then yes
[06:54] <raphink> so there's just to devel afterwards
[06:54] <jpatrick> ok
[06:54] <freeflying-ibook> Tonio_:  do you agree on include ktranslator in main?
[06:54] <Tonio_> freeflying-ibook: I wouldn't mine ;) but I don't decide
[06:54] <Tonio_> freeflying-ibook: I need to make an uvfe this WE
[06:54] <Tonio_> that's on my todo list
[06:55] <freeflying-ibook> Tonio_: after all,you are the maintainer heh
[06:55] <Tonio_> freeflying-ibook: but honnestly, there are other tools I would like to see in main before ;)
[06:55] <Tonio_> like knetworkmanager or wlassistant.....
[06:55] <toma> rsibreak
[06:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: we need to ping on that point, as main inclusion reports are now waiting for about a month
[06:56] <Riddell> Tonio_: those are going to be promoted
[06:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: nice, I saw kmplayer was in main already
[06:56] <Riddell> Tonio_: they're been reviewed and will be promoted with the anistacia review this week
[06:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: perfect ;)
[06:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: I wanted to discuss with you about kmplayer
[06:57] <freeflying-ibook> Tonio_:  then ktranslator :)
[06:57] <Tonio_> I'm a bit embarrassed with it
[06:57] <Riddell> Tonio_: what's up with it?
[06:57] <Tonio_> streaming and konq plugin work fine, but to associate mms or rtsp protocols with it, you need the kmplayer standard package
[06:58] <Riddell> even for konq plugin?
[06:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: yup
[06:58] <Riddell> why's that?
[06:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: sounds stupid, but that's it
[06:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: look for rtsp.protocol actually, it is associated with kaffeine, not the konq plugin
[06:58] <Tonio_> but then in konq, that allows the konq plugin
[06:59] <Tonio_> that means if we want a good kmplayer konqueror's integration, we have to ship the full kmplayer package, and I don't think we want 2 players in kubuntu
[07:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: I was siggesting to investigate and atalk kaffeine upstream about those konqueror crashing
[07:00] <Riddell> there must be a way to have it working without kmplayer proper
[07:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: that should and could be fixed I think
[07:00] <Riddell> it should be but kaffeine has always crashed and I don't see it being fixed any time soon
[07:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: concerning protocols integration, I searched without success
[07:00] <toma> did you talk to Koos Vriesen?
[07:01] <Tonio_> toma: nope, but we should ;)
[07:01] <toma> he is very friendly and replies pretty fast....
[07:01] <Tonio_> toma: the problem is in fact that using 2 players makes it complicated for the configuration, and none of them is "the perfect player" :)
[07:01] <Tonio_> toma: I will send him an email
[07:02] <Tonio_> toma: the real problem is those crashes of konq when kaffeine is used.... if that's fixed, we don't need kmplayer at all
[07:02] <jpatrick> Riddell: you're right, libtool is evil
[07:03] <toma> Tonio_: is there a valid backtrace / bug upstream?
[07:03] <Riddell> jpatrick: I'm compliling koffice to see if it generates that file, but it'll take an hour or two
[07:03] <Tonio_> toma: so many ;)
[07:03] <toma> Tonio_: oki
[07:04] <Tonio_> toma: every kaffeine user is complaning about that konqueror integration
[07:04] <Tonio_> toma: let me search a bit on launchpad
[07:04] <jpatrick> should be in kexi....
[07:04] <toma> Tonio_: hmm, just asking ;-) I have no intend to hack on it ;-)
[07:04] <Tonio_> toma: is your latest packaged version more stable concerning konqueror ?
[07:04] <toma> Tonio_: i'm a happy kmplayer user
[07:05] <Tonio_> toma: I too, but the standalone player is not as good as kaffeine to me
[07:05] <jpatrick> Riddell: better put I can't find any *.la files from kexi
[07:06] <toma> Tonio_: It is sufficient for me
[07:06] <Riddell> jpatrick: quite possibly they're just not included in koffice-dev
[07:07] <jpatrick> http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=libkeximain.la&searchmode=searchfiles&case=insensitive&version=breezy&arch=i386
[07:07] <jpatrick> was in Breezy's kexi^
[07:08] <Tonio_> jpatrick: if you like simple things, you should have a look to codeine
[07:08] <Tonio_> it is VERY nice, and very stable too
[07:08] <jpatrick> Tonio_: i will look at that
[07:08] <Tonio_> could have ben an option for kubuntu too since it wasn't only xine compatible
[07:08] <toma> but the maintainer does not respond to mails
[07:08] <jpatrick> Tonio_: Xine in KMPlayer has died here
[07:08] <Tonio_> oups, that was for toma ;) sorry jpatrick
[07:09] <jpatrick> Tonio_: never mind
[07:09] <Tonio_> jpatrick: well, xine is supposed to work, but of course kmplayer is optimised with mplayer
[07:09] <toma> Tonio_: i know the app, i wrote a patch for media support for it, but never received a reply from upstream.
[07:10] <Tonio_> toma: it is possibly discontinued
[07:10] <Tonio_> toma: where is your latest kaffeine package available for tests plz ?
[07:10] <Tonio_> toma: that wouls be nice too ;)
[07:11] <Tonio_> that would help much hihi
[07:11] <toma> haha
[07:13] <jpatrick> Tonio_: codeine does have xine support
[07:14] <Tonio_> jpatrick: yes, but xine only, so as the future seems to be gstreamer for ubuntu, that's not a good choice for us ;)
[07:15] <jpatrick> Tonio_: I've always prefered Xine
[07:16] <Tonio_> jpatrick: yes, gstreamer isn't mature enough for the moment
[07:16] <jpatrick> Tonio_: and it just works here: http://img131.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot41jg.png
[07:17] <Tonio_> jpatrick: yes codeine is the kind of applications that "just work"
[07:17] <Tonio_> 2 buttons and never crashes
[07:17] <jpatrick> and a process bar
[07:22] <Parkotron> Personally, I think Kaffeine is the nicest, most balanced media player I've ever used. It just crashes way to often and has way to many toolbars turned on by default.
[07:23] <Tonio_> I'm testing the latest debian packaged version
[07:23] <Tonio_> all patches have been removed, so maybe that as something to see with stability
[07:26] <jpatrick> I'm off, to buy some guitar strings... later
[08:47] <Tonio_> Riddell: bad news for kaffeine... from upstream : If you're a talking about the crash after leaving the embedded player: Thats a problem with some x-server versions and can not be fixed
[08:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: KMplayer runs a xine instance in another process then blits the image to the KApplication. This is less efficient, but at least avoids the crash
[08:52] <Tonio_> so we may never found a solution to the issue unfortunately
[08:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: latest kwlan just released, interested in testing it ?
[08:56] <Tonio_> as it works with wpa, could be better than wlassistant as default if not bugging
[08:58] <Riddell> hmm, probably too late to change wifi manager again
[08:59] <Riddell> uniq: what did you do to confirm bug 41720?
[08:59] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 41720 in kdebase kdm "In dapper, kdm should depend on kubuntu-default-settings or have a different default theme" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/41720
[09:00] <Lure> Tonio_: test package of kwlan would be nice
[09:01] <Tonio_> Lure: I'm just doing it
[09:01] <Tonio_> Lure: I don't have my laptop actually, interested to test it ?
[09:01] <Lure> Tonio_: knm with new icons and some bugfixes were released with SuSE RC3 today
[09:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum..... since wlassistant isn't in main yet...
[09:02] <Lure> Tonio_: it also includes different solution for disabling notification as the patch from \sh
[09:02] <Tonio_> Lure: nice, but requires an ufve
[09:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: anywa, could be interesting having kwlan in universe in any case ;)
[09:03] <Lure> Tonio_: I would prefer test binaries first to see if it is worth to ask for UVFe or we wait for next release
[09:03] <Lure> Riddell: I heard there will be flight 7 - when is this planned?
[09:03] <Tonio_> Lure: can you get the tarball while I'm packaging kwlan ?
[09:04] <jjesse> why not just use knetworkmanager?
[09:04] <Lure> Tonio_: I am busy testing knetworkconf fixes, but when done I can look into this
[09:04] <jjesse> i love it
[09:04] <Tonio_> Lure: no pb ;)
[09:05] <Tonio_> jjesse: hum, hard to install by default at the moment, since network-manager has a few limitations
[09:05] <Lure> jjesse: problem is that when knm does not work it is hard to debug and help people
[09:05] <Lure> jjesse: wlassistant and kwlan are simplier (manual) and therefore easier to support out of box
[09:05] <Tonio_> like dhcp only....
[09:05] <jjesse> oh thanks guys :)  i love the fact that when i go home or travel to a different branch office i don't have to do a sudo ifdown eth0 && sudo ifup eth0 it just detects the change and resolves automatically
[09:05] <jjesse> and then finding wireless connections is a piece of cake :)
[09:07] <Lure> jjesse: when it works it is really nice - and Keybuk&siretart are working on nailing down the bugs so it my get to very decent state before release
[09:07] <jjesse> Lure: cool to know, but it's got my vote :)
[09:11] <yuriy> Tonio_: does it say what x-server versions it has a problem with? and if it is an x-server problem, why not fix THAT problem as opposed to just never resolving the issue
[09:13] <yuriy> Parkotron: have you tried 0.8.1?
[09:13] <Tonio_> yuriy: well, if you feel able to fix this ;)
[09:14] <yuriy> Tonio_: just saying never say never ;)
[09:15] <yuriy> as well as, has this issue been reported to the X developers/whatever they use for bug tracking
[09:16] <Tonio_> yuriy: hehe sure :)
[09:22] <uniq> riddell: i removed kubuntu-default-settings. and restarted kdm.
[09:22] <Riddell> hmm, there should be a script to turn off themes in that case
[09:23] <uniq> I'll check again.
[09:23] <Riddell> it may well not work of course, check for output from dpkg
[09:24] <uniq> I may have edited some configs manually at some time too. I'll double check.
[09:27] <yuriy> jjesse: I recall someone (Riddell?) mentioning that KsCD was unmaintained.  otherwise i agree #30809 needs a look.  I'll try the use digital playback thing now.
[09:27] <jjesse> yuriy: maybe KsCD just needs to be for digital playback by default?
[09:28] <yuriy> jjesse: ok well i do get your error in kaffeine
[09:28] <jjesse> yuriy: before or after using the digital playback?
[09:28] <yuriy> before. trying now.
[09:28] <Parkotron> yuriy: Yes, briefly. And I did notice some improvements. However, I still do most all of my video watching in my Breezy installation, so I haven't really put it to the test.
[09:30] <Lure> Riddell, raphink: sent you debdiff for two knetworkconf fixes - if you have time please review & upload
[09:30] <uniq> riddell: you're right. It works for me too, with the default kdmrc.
[09:31] <Riddell> uniq: cool
[09:31] <Riddell> Lure: cooler
[09:32] <yuriy> jjesse: enabling "use digital playback" made the audio work in KsCD but didn't affect kaffeine
[09:33] <yuriy> btw, I had no problems at all playing audio cd's with kaffeine 0.8.1
[09:34] <uniq> riddell: did we have kubuntu-default-settings as dep on kdm before breezy? I think i remember we removed it. Silly me, wanting to re-add it :)
[09:34] <yuriy> jjesse: my drop down menu is also empty, but if i put in /dev/hdc it plays
[09:34] <jjesse> yuriy: wierd will have to look at kaffiene again for me
[09:35] <Riddell> uniq: yes, in breezy it was asasasasas
[09:35] <uniq> :)
[09:35] <uniq> I'll delete the patch and forget i ever suggested re-adding that dependency :] 
[09:37] <uniq> well, gtg. later kubuntuers.
[09:46] <jpatrick> kubuntuero, I think it is
[09:54] <yuriy> jjesse: in kaffeine>settings>xine engine parameters>media the first thing there is the audio cd location. so it should at least be in that drop down menu, though it should really just be detecting the cd automatically. maybe it's not reading that setting?
[09:59] <yuriy> jjesse: if i go to file>recently played the first thing there is cdda:/1, if i click on that xine says "No plugin found to handle this resource (cdda:/1)", maybe that's what's happening when you put in the CD in the first place, so maybe it's another KIO problem
[09:59] <yuriy> or is cdda:/ a xine thing, not a KDE io? i've never seen it before.
[10:02] <yuriy> jjesse: no bugs filed on this on malone or kde, so probably a new-ish kubuntu problem or something else wrong on my (our?) systems
[10:07] <Lure> Tonio_: I am looking debian svn for knm: http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-utopia/packages/unstable/knetworkmanager/?rev=0&sc=0
[10:08] <Lure> see latest changelog: they have fixed knetworkmanager package by just doing Provides: - should we do the same?
[10:08] <jjesse> yuriy: i think we need to file a bug
[10:08] <OdyXydO> Bye all. Nice week-end!
[10:09] <yuriy> jjesse: typing it up already :)
[10:25] <yuriy> jjesse: #41962
[10:33] <uniq> any thoughs on #32350 ? I've added a link to a proposed patch to add the shortcut.
[10:35] <Tonio_> Lure: I'm forgetting the idea of kwlan, sources are crappy........
[10:36] <Lure> Tonio_: I have read the kdeapps.org and it does not sound ready for test yet...
[10:36] <Tonio_> Lure: yes
[10:37] <Tonio_> seems like it could be nice to simply merge the debian package for knm if it works nicelly
[10:37] <Tonio_> I'm gonna package it
[10:38] <Lure> Tonio_: that would be great - will you take knm sources from SVN or from their src.rpm?
[10:38] <Tonio_> Lure: svn
[10:39] <Riddell> Lure: does provides mean that you can do an   apt-get install knetworkmanager?
[10:40] <Lure> Riddell: not sure either - but for sure apt-cache search finds it at least
[10:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: I changed the package
[10:41] <Tonio_> you can now apt-get install knetworkmanager
[10:41] <Tonio_> network-manager-kde is just a metapackage for naming convention
[10:42] <Lure> Tonio_: true, but we then have n-m-kde also - mbiebl in debian just used Provides: knetworkmanager 
[10:42] <Tonio_> so that you can install both ways
[10:42] <Tonio_> Lure: I can change that
[10:43] <Lure> Tonio_: we should try if Provides is enough for apt-get install to actuall install, otheriwse I think we should stick with your solution
[10:44] <Tonio_> Lure: what do you mean by "provides" ?
[10:45] <Lure> http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-utopia/packages/unstable/knetworkmanager/debian/control?op=file&rev=0&sc=0
[10:45] <Lure> Tonio_: ^^^
[10:46] <\sh> hmmm...since when is changing tabs in konversation not working?
[10:46] <Tonio_> \sh: 2 days, I did a fix for k-d-s
[10:46] <Tonio_> but raphink didn't upload
[10:47] <\sh> ah :)
[10:47] <Tonio_> \sh: you can use secondary option : ctrl + page up/down
[10:47] <\sh> too gnomish :)
[10:48] <Tonio_> Lure: that's not a response ;)
[10:48] <Lure> Tonio_: Provides means that the package also provides that package 
[10:48] <Tonio_> Lure: even though it can sound stupid, that was a real question :) I didn't understood your previous phrase
[10:48] <uniq> http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-relationships.html#s-virtual
[10:49] <uniq> explains Provides:
[10:49] <Lure> uniq: thank you
[10:49] <Tonio_> Lure: well, I don't see the point, install network-manager-kde, and you'll get knetworkmanager
[10:49] <Tonio_> so you can just install knetworkmanager, that will just avoid installing a metapackage :)
[10:50] <Tonio_> ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[10:50] <Tonio_> ok
[10:51] <uniq> it's used for mail-transport-agent and similar.
[10:51] <Lure> Tonio_: question is: if there is no real knetworkmanager package (just n-m-kde + Provides:knm), does apt-get install knetworkmanager work or not (to fullfl \sh requirement)
[10:52] <Tonio_> Lure: yes I see
[10:52] <\sh> this will work
[10:52] <\sh> with the provide, but knetworkmanager should be the real name...and not n-m-k, because nobody will find it
[10:53] <Tonio_> \sh: yes, but will apt-cache search be able to find both ?
[10:53] <Lure> Tonio_: yes
[10:53] <Tonio_> Lure: that sounds nice
[10:53] <\sh> yes
[10:54] <Lure> Tonio_: try apt-cache search powernowd
[10:54] <Lure> (powersaved Provides/Conflicts/Replaces powernowd)
[10:54] <\sh> the perfekt solution would be: if kubuntu-desktop then apt-get install network-manager installs knetworkmanager
[10:54] <Tonio_> yes I see
[10:55] <\sh> if not, only n-m-g
[10:55] <\sh> by the way...the knetworkmanager implemented my idea with a different (easier) approach....
[10:55] <Tonio_> \sh: is it possible to make conditionnal dependancies ?
[10:56] <\sh> so, this fix should be in the kde-svn...i'll check tomorrow if I can backport the patch
[10:56] <Lure> Tonio_: I think you can say x || y
[10:56] <Lure> \sh: Tonio_ will pull svn now and prepare a test package for consideration
[10:56] <\sh> that's not conditional....conditional would be to react if something is defined
[10:56] <Lure> if it will look good, we will do UVFe
[10:56] <\sh> cool
[10:57] <Tonio_> Lure: yes you can x||y
[10:57] <Lure> there are new icons I would like to see.. ;-)
[10:57] <Tonio_> but I don't see how can \sh proposal be done
[10:57] <Tonio_> if kubuntu-desktop then network-manager installs knetworkmanager
[10:58] <\sh> never....or in deb pkg format v99 :)
[10:58] <Lure> Tonio_: I am not sure if we need that: k-d depends (not yet ;-)) on n-m-kde (which provides knm) and thsi one depends on n-m
[10:59] <Tonio_> Lure: someone searching for network-manager will not find the kde component
[10:59] <\sh> if k-d will be installed...
[10:59] <Tonio_> so maybe the Provides idea is the best
[11:00] <Lure> Tonio_: I thik Provides is good enough: you can search with network-manager or knetworkmanager and you will always find the right package: network-manager-kde
[11:00] <\sh> the idea is, that you have a meta package with determins the installed desktop style and installs the required frontend...it's more a packaging thing :) has nothing to do with the deps
[11:01] <Lure> \sh: ok, I thought that you know some deb magic ;-)
[11:01] <\sh> package: knetworkmanager should provide network-manager-kde, not the other way around :)
[11:01] <Tonio_> \sh: ah, right ;)
[11:01] <Lure> \sh: why - I like n-m-kde as it is consitent with otker n-m packages
[11:02] <Lure> I thought your concern was only about finding the right package
[11:02] <Lure> and I also do not wond to be to different to debian in this regard
[11:02] <\sh> Lure: to be honest, I don't know who decided to use the name, but the maintainer don't know who peoples brains are working
[11:02] <Lure> s/wond/want/
[11:02] <\sh> s/who/how/
[11:03] <\sh> true story: i didn't even know that there was a kde frontend for nm
[11:03] <\sh> so I searched for knetworkmanager, never found it...
[11:03] <Lure> \sh: fyi, suse (=authors) also uses similar name for package networkmanager-kde - see http://ftp.opensuse.org/pub/opensuse/distribution/SL-OSS-factory/inst-source/suse/src/
[11:03] <uniq> now that it's provided by a package you will find the package that provides it in the search.
[11:04] <Lure> NetworkManager-kde actually
[11:06] <\sh> so, the normal plain user is searching the name of the application, he/she won't search for anything else..so the package should be named like the application and can provide a "namespace" which is shared between similar packages...I mean: mail-transport-agent and you have to choose between exim, postfix etc. the ideal way would be: install network-manager and decide what frontend you want to have, or the package determines the frontend b
[11:06] <\sh> and I'm just an old lazy fart and did: apt-get install knetworkmanager and got nothing :)
[11:07] <uniq> correct. but if only one package provides mail-transoport-agent it's installed automatically.
[11:07] <\sh> right, but we have at least 
[11:07] <\sh> shermann@toshiba-laptop:~$ apt-cache search mail-transport-agent|wc -l
[11:07] <\sh> 18
[11:07] <uniq> You will get 'Note, selecting [package that provides]  instead of [package] 
[11:08] <uniq> not for network-manager.
[11:08] <\sh> also correct....but when I write another frontend, or someone else will write a better gnomish one?
[11:09] <\sh> (now we will come to a philosophical discussion :))
[11:09] <uniq> then you must write a fronted that works :)
[11:11] <uniq> But I agree with you. The only reason for not doing it that way, is if debian does it the other way around.
[11:13] <\sh> so the question is more: do we have better ideas to implement something more intelligent, or do we follow the geekish debian way? ;) (bash hit smash....I said jehova ;))
[11:15] <uniq> I don't have any better ideas.
[11:16] <\sh> improving the deb format...did you read d-d about the problems of meta-packages and the other approach of tasksel?
[11:16] <Tonio_> hum I'm a bit embarrassed with latest version concerning the versionning
[11:17] <Tonio_> the actual is 0.1~r5031
[11:17] <Tonio_> I can't update with 0.99+svn04282006
[11:17] <\sh> that's a good thing for showing svn revisions...
[11:17] <Tonio_> \sh: what would you suggest ?
[11:17] <Tonio_> using revision number ?
[11:18] <Tonio_> \sh: revision number has now changes since knetworkmanager is in kde svn
[11:18] <Lure> Tonio_: I think ubuntu way is to use real version (0.1) and ~, while debian do not like ~, therefor they create 0.99 versions
[11:18] <Tonio_> yes but revision on kde svn is 535219
[11:18] <Tonio_> actual version is 5931
[11:19] <uniq> \sh: no i don't follow debian-devel anymore, waay to little time for that. Do you have a link/search word to find it?
[11:20] <Lure> Tonio_: this is pain, since they moved from Timo's private svn to novell svn which have huge revision numbers...
[11:20] <\sh> uniq: I think it was in the "Debian Light Desktop - meta package" thread...there were some nice remarks from joey about the problems / advantages of meta-packages and tasksel
[11:21] <Lure> maybe this is the reason why debian swittched to svn<date> as s > r
[11:21] <Lure> ;-)
[11:21] <\sh> I think i'll meet timo at linuxtag...
[11:21] <Lure> but they use the wrong date to alow proper sort :-(
[11:21] <Tonio_> Lure: yes that's a pain....
[11:23] <Lure> Tonio_: but debin version is 0.09+0.1r527269-1
[11:23] <Tonio_> Lure: we cannot use this too......
[11:23] <Lure> what if we switch to something like 0.1~svn-r527269?
[11:24] <Tonio_> well, I'm packaging and we'll decide the versioning later
[11:24] <Tonio_> Lure: that can do the job yes
[11:24] <Lure> then when 0.1 will be out we go with standard 0.1-1ubuntu1?
[11:26] <\sh> 1ubuntu0
[11:26] <\sh> or 0ubuntu1
[11:26] <\sh> not 1ubuntu0
[11:27] <\sh> just came home from karlsruhe
[11:27] <\sh> looks like i'm too tired
[11:27] <Tonio_> 0.1~svn-r527269-0ubuntu1
[11:27] <Tonio_> that's what I'm currently doing
[11:27] <Tonio_> and, Lure, I LOVE the new icons ;)
[11:27] <Tonio_> I would update only for this :)
[11:27] <Lure> Tonio_: ok... 
[11:28] <\sh> uniq: sorry...it wasn't the debian light thread it was utnubu-desktop thread
[11:28] <Tonio_> Lure: what did you told me about \sh patches, is it obsolete ?
[11:28] <Tonio_> just to avoid spending time on looking the code :)
[11:28] <Lure> Tonio_: they added configure notifications which whould be more generic
[11:29] <Lure> drob \sh patch and you will see if you have new stuff in menu
[11:29] <Tonio_> Lure: yes, doing this
[11:31] <\sh> they implemented configure notifications..which is the easier approach and more likely to fit in knms design..without having a real kconfig section
[11:32] <Lure> \sh: so it will fix bug 41051?
[11:32] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 41051 in knetworkmanager "Setting of "Disable New Network Notifications" is not persistent" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/41051
[11:33] <Tonio_> Lure: what about po folders etc ? I don't have them on kde svn, should I grab novell svn instead ?
[11:33] <\sh> i didn't have the time to test the svn version...timo informed me about the patch last wednesday, dunno,
[11:33] <Tonio_> I must say I'm a bit lost, since there svn everywhere containing knetworkmanager components :)
[11:33] <\sh> Lure: but when this notification stuff is global, it should have a kconfig section attached and should fix the bug yes
[11:34] <Lure> Tonio_: interesting - I think there is only kde svn... novell svn was never public (just Timo had it's own AFAIK)
[11:34] <Tonio_> Lure: so we don't have po files anymore, and I assume translations will go in kde i18n
[11:34] <\sh> > btw, the repository for knetworkmanager, it's now in svn.kde.org or in 
[11:34] <\sh> > novells svn?
[11:34] <\sh> Ist inzwischen svn.kde.org. Die Lokalisierungsdateien muessen wir nur
[11:34] <\sh> noch umziehen bzw. mergen. Wird irgendwann nach dem Release von SL10.1
[11:34] <\sh> passieren.
[11:34] <Tonio_> good for the future, but that's an issue actually
[11:35] <\sh> timo wrote, that the localizations are not in the kde svn right now, they have to move it from novells svn
[11:35] <\sh> this will happen after Suse Linux 10.1
[11:35] <Lure> Tonio_: we can get them from src.rpm...
[11:35] <Tonio_> Lure: yes
[11:35] <Tonio_> Lure: do you know how to grab this ?
[11:36] <Lure> http://ftp.opensuse.org/pub/opensuse/distribution/SL-OSS-factory/inst-source/suse/src/
[11:36] <Tonio_> \sh: k-d-s just uploaded so that you'll get your tab switching back in a few hours
[11:36] <Lure> NetworkManager-kde, then extract tar
[11:36] <Tonio_> Lure: thanks
[11:36] <Lure> Tonio_: this is how I got tar last time
[11:37] <\sh> Tonio_: I'm just following up my unread emails... 8304 emails still to read :)
[11:37] <Lure> \sh: s/to read/to delete/ and you will be quicker ;-)
[11:38] <Tonio_> \sh: ^^ be brave my friend !!!!
[11:38] <\sh> did anybody work on the new sip/pyqt/pykde packages, I posted the announcement this week to k-d@l.u.c
[11:38] <Lure> \sh: I do not think so...
[11:38] <\sh> if not, I'll prepare some packages tomorrow and someone can upload them
[11:39] <\sh> raphink as I speak ;)
[11:39] <\sh> or Riddell
[11:39] <raphink> hehe
[11:41] <\sh> raphink: hey :) how are you doing? :)
[11:41] <raphink> good thanks
[11:41] <raphink> a bit exhausted but I'm good :)
[11:43] <\sh> raphink: but ready to drink a lot with amu and me while attending linuxtag? ;)
[11:43] <raphink> \sh: I'm not a great drinker by principle
[11:43] <kwwii> I will drink you all under the table!
[11:44] <raphink> it's against my moral views
[11:44] <raphink> but I can join you for a few beers
[11:44] <kwwii> oops
[11:44] <kwwii> sorry raphink :-)
[11:44] <\sh> raphink: lol..to be honest..amu and I drank yesterday evening two beer and we were finished for the evening....
[11:45] <raphink> haha :)
[11:45] <raphink> ok I can do that too :)
[11:47] <\sh> cool..hobbsee got upload rights? :)
[11:50] <Tonio_> \sh: do you know a simple and easy way to extract datas from an rpm file ?
[11:50] <Tonio_> instead of alien the file and extracting from the deb ?
[11:51] <\sh> rpm -Uvh <source package> ; cd /usr/src/redhat/SOURCES
[11:51] <Lure> Tonio_: alien *.src.rpm and then dpkg-deb -x
[11:51] <Lure> I can send you the pakcage
[11:52] <uniq> you can use rpm2cpio
[11:52] <Tonio_> Lure: I have it that's nice :)
[11:52] <Lure> but \sh is right - you can use rpm directly (and not alien)
[11:52] <Tonio_> I just wanted a "without alien" method :)
[11:53] <\sh> i think it's the best solution :) with direct rpm...I don't trust alien
[11:54] <\sh> .oO( i don't trust rpms as well, since someone invented not standard compliant update-rpm packages)
[11:54] <ajmitch_> morning \sh 
[11:54] <\sh> hey ajmitch_
[11:55] <uniq> 'rpm2cpio file.rpm|cpio -iumd' :] 
[11:55] <uniq> going to bed. nite.
[11:59] <\sh> good night uniq
[12:00] <raphink> Lure: it's not usual to fix your previous changelog entries in the new upload but ok ...
[12:01] <crimsun> (sure you can, particularly if there are CVEs or grevious errors)
[12:01] <Lure> raphink: I know - it was late that day, so I even did not type my e-mail correctly... ;-)
[12:01] <raphink> Lure: it's ok ;)
[12:01] <raphink> sure crimsun :)
[12:03] <\sh> ok....going to bed as well...need some sleep...