| LaserJock | I'm starting pretty much from scratch, very nice | 12:03 |
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| mdke | cool | 12:03 |
| LaserJock | the only problem is that I also have a Windows drive | 12:03 |
| mdke | I did a clean install this time too | 12:03 |
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| LaserJock | The computer was originally an HP that I bought in 2002 when I started grad school | 12:04 |
| LaserJock | but I put a new motherboard in and added an Ubuntu hard drive | 12:04 |
| LaserJock | but now Windows is totally screwed. It doesn't recognize my product key | 12:05 |
| LaserJock | it must be tied to the hardware somehow :( | 12:05 |
| mdke | haha | 12:05 |
| mdke | that sucks so bad | 12:05 |
| LaserJock | yeah, because my wife still uses Windows :( | 12:05 |
| mdke | what for? | 12:05 |
| LaserJock | and she is mad at me for mucking with the computer | 12:05 |
| mdke | tell her that you're the computer boss, and she has to use Ubuntu | 12:06 |
| mdke | (WORKSFORME) | 12:06 |
| LaserJock | actually, the only thing she uses it for is to access the printer from our laptop | 12:06 |
| LaserJock | so if I can set up the printer as a samba share or something, then I think it might work | 12:07 |
| mdke | cups printer | 12:07 |
| LaserJock | but it did have a lot of data on it, I will need to get that off | 12:07 |
| LaserJock | but it just makes me soooo mad that MS would do that | 12:08 |
| LaserJock | at least it gives me an example for my wife that MS is from the devil | 12:08 |
| mdke | yeah | 12:09 |
| LaserJock | and that computer didn't even come with recovery discs or Windows CDs. You have no access to your OS | 12:10 |
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| LaserJock | way to go mdke, that's the way to get things done ;-) | 12:20 |
| mdke | it's all about hitting the right person | 12:21 |
| LaserJock | very true | 12:21 |
| LaserJock | that and not making the right person mad | 12:21 |
| mdke | last time I chatted to pitti and ogra, they didn't know why | 12:21 |
| mdke | this time, you get keybuk, he sorts it straight away | 12:21 |
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| poningru | robotgeek: ping | 01:06 |
| robotgeek | poningru: pong | 01:07 |
| robotgeek | poningru: did you get those messges in you away log? | 01:08 |
| poningru | robotgeek: yeah apologies about adding easyubuntu | 01:08 |
| poningru | I had asked a ton of people | 01:08 |
| poningru | just didnt find you | 01:08 |
| robotgeek | poningru: heh, no worries. | 01:08 |
| robotgeek | i got most of my stuff from that page, it will soon be ready :) | 01:08 |
| poningru | robotgeek: I would like to contribute... | 01:09 |
| poningru | summer is coming up, I dont really have anything to do | 01:09 |
| robotgeek | poningru: http://tinyurl.com/kw4u | 01:09 |
| poningru | ??? | 01:09 |
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| robotgeek | wtf, not again | 01:09 |
| poningru | whats wrong now? | 01:10 |
| robotgeek | i made a clever list of pages in tinyurl, it doesn't seem to stick | 01:10 |
| robotgeek | bugs list, err | 01:10 |
| robotgeek | poningru: #easyubuntu-dev please :) | 01:11 |
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| mdke | ooh, we can do lots of playing with our lulu storefront | 01:14 |
| mdke | good | 01:14 |
| LaserJock | mdke: URL? | 01:21 |
| mdke | http://www.lulu.com/ubuntu-doc | 01:23 |
| LaserJock | heh, somehow I thought it would be messier then that | 01:26 |
| robotgeek | nice | 01:27 |
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| LaserJock | interesting | 01:34 |
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| mdke | man, lulu is pretty cool | 01:40 |
| LaserJock | heh, I didn't look to bad, just not very Ubuntu-like | 01:41 |
| mdke | what's that? | 01:41 |
| LaserJock | the green you had | 01:41 |
| mdke | ah, I was just scrolling through the various themes | 01:41 |
| LaserJock | ah, well I must have refreshed on one | 01:41 |
| mdke | went back to the simple one and added some brown | 01:42 |
| mdke | ok, night all | 01:46 |
| LaserJock | cya mdke | 01:50 |
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| LaserJock | darn, I should have said something about the espresso -> ubiquity change | 04:42 |
| robotgeek | hah, i havent mentioned espresso at all :P | 04:43 |
| robotgeek | i thing only about Kubuntu and release notes will need to be changed | 04:44 |
| robotgeek | s/thing/think | 04:44 |
| LaserJock | I haven't either, but I knew about the change a while ago | 04:44 |
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| jjesse | !yup already have them changed and submitting tomorrow :) | 05:21 |
| jjesse | about kubuntu and releasenotes | 05:21 |
| jjesse | night folks | 05:21 |
| robotgeek | jjesse: night, awesome! | 05:23 |
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| mdke_ | morning | 09:11 |
| highvoltage | morning | 09:12 |
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| mdke | ooh paris eh | 05:02 |
| mdke | good call | 05:02 |
| === trappist declares this Bring Your Puppy to Work Day | ||
| LaserJock | morning doc people | 05:24 |
| robotgeek | morning LaserJock | 05:24 |
| mdke | hiya | 05:24 |
| LaserJock | robotgeek: you interested in packaging electronics apps? | 05:25 |
| robotgeek | LaserJock: hmm, i don't know if i have time right now | 05:27 |
| LaserJock | robotgeek: well, I was thinking more in general | 05:28 |
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| mdke | what do people think about adding LTS to the version number entities? | 05:28 |
| mdke | i think we may have to, but it will result in a decent number of translations breaking :-( | 05:28 |
| LaserJock | mdke: well, I sorta think it is important that we have the name of the distro right | 05:28 |
| mdke | if that is part of the name, then yes | 05:28 |
| LaserJock | mdke: it would only reflect badly on the doc team if we don't, even though I don't really think it is our fault exactly ;-) | 05:29 |
| mdke | if it's part of the version number, then we should add it, I suppose. | 05:29 |
| robotgeek | but would we have to rewrite all translations? that would suck, really bad | 05:29 |
| mdke | robotgeek: not all, but quite a few strings probably | 05:29 |
| robotgeek | mdke: can't we entitize even that? | 05:30 |
| mdke | no | 05:30 |
| LaserJock | seemes like there should be a better system that way for translations | 05:30 |
| robotgeek | LTS is LTS, and maybe add one line somewhere about LTS = Long Term Support | 05:30 |
| LaserJock | like you just translate the entitity or something | 05:30 |
| mdke | robotgeek: it would go in the "Version and release numbers" section of the desktopguide and about ubuntu, dunno if you have that section in kDG | 05:32 |
| robotgeek | Yeah, i have that section | 05:33 |
| mdke | best to make it a separate paragraph, if possible, so that the string doesn't need to be changed | 05:34 |
| mdke | oh., | 05:35 |
| mdke | changing the entity results in 2 string changes to UDG | 05:36 |
| mdke | that's not bad :D | 05:36 |
| LaserJock | heh, mdke is all excited about nothing ;-) oh the drama :p | 05:37 |
| === mdke slaps | ||
| mdke | 4 strings in serverguide | 05:37 |
| mdke | nothing in PG | 05:38 |
| mdke | ok, this is all fine then | 05:38 |
| mdke | robotgeek: so perhaps we should add a section to explain the long term nature of dapper, do you think it is warranted? | 05:41 |
| LaserJock | mdke: I think sabdfl would be pleased | 05:42 |
| mdke | well, in *that* case :) | 05:43 |
| robotgeek | mdke: heh, go for it | 05:43 |
| mdke | I'm going to put it in after "The Difference" | 05:43 |
| mdke | and I'll post it here for review | 05:43 |
| mdke | meh, I can't think of anything to say | 05:53 |
| robotgeek | mdke: copy paste from sabdfl's announcement :) | 05:54 |
| mdke | ok, looking. In the meantime, I've done this: | 05:54 |
| mdke | <para>Every <para>Every Ubuntu release is supported for 18 months with security and other updates. However, Ubuntu &distro-rev; is a special enterprise release, and is supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server. As a result, it will be possible to rely on Ubuntu &distro-rev; for a longer period than usual. Therefore this release of Ubuntu is referred to as "LTS" or "Long Term Support".</para> | 05:54 |
| robotgeek | nice, good enough i think | 05:55 |
| mdke | do we want to ham it up any more than that, you think? | 05:56 |
| mdke | the word "polish" might be used, I spose | 05:56 |
| LaserJock | yeah, that will get all the people from Poland reading ;-) | 05:56 |
| === mdke winces | ||
| mdke | so, I'll leave it like that, unless you guys have anything you'd like to add | 05:57 |
| robotgeek | if i'm reading the mailing list in webbroswer, i can't view signed messages. any hints? | 05:59 |
| LaserJock | hmm, I would want to throw in that 6.06 LTS had a longer development cycle to ensure that it is enterprise ready | 05:59 |
| LaserJock | or something to the fact that something was actuallly *done* to make it LTS | 05:59 |
| LaserJock | robotgeek: signed? you should only not be able to see encrypted messages, I would think | 06:00 |
| robotgeek | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/sounder/2006-April/006275.html for example | 06:00 |
| mdke | robotgeek: it's a mailman bug I suppose | 06:01 |
| robotgeek | hmm, i am able to read it on gmane, though | 06:02 |
| mdke | hmm | 06:06 |
| robotgeek | food beckons, later | 06:06 |
| mdke | alright | 06:10 |
| mdke | http://mdke.org/images/lts.png | 06:10 |
| mdke | LaserJock: ^ | 06:12 |
| LaserJock | mdke: on it | 06:12 |
| LaserJock | awesome | 06:13 |
| LaserJock | I think it says a lot to why we had the 6 week delay and the idea of having an LTS release | 06:14 |
| mdke | ok, I'm going to post to the list and ask for feedback before committing | 06:15 |
| mdke | maybe -devel too | 06:15 |
| LaserJock | yeah, you are sure to get feedback from -devel ;-) | 06:15 |
| mdke | hmm | 06:16 |
| LaserJock | but to be honest, I didn't really realize what this was all about until today | 06:16 |
| LaserJock | so I think it might be worthwile to get the word out | 06:16 |
| LaserJock | I assumed that every release from Dapper onward was going to have 3/5 year support | 06:17 |
| mdke | ouch, string freeze was yesterday too | 06:18 |
| LaserJock | heh, what's a few freeze exceptions between friends? | 06:19 |
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| LaserJock | I wish we (as a Project) were a little better about Freezes | 06:19 |
| LaserJock | in the MOTU world it seems more like a Chill rather than Freeze | 06:20 |
| mdke | great word | 06:20 |
| mdke | mdz is pretty strict about freezes actually, generally | 06:20 |
| LaserJock | yeah, Universe seems to be a bit of an exception (pun intended) | 06:21 |
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| LaserJock | hi jsgotangco | 06:28 |
| jsgotangco | LaserJock: hi! | 06:28 |
| mdke | robotgeek: ok, check out the text, if you're happy for me to add it to the KDG too (with s/Ubuntu/Kubuntu), I'll commit everything | 06:33 |
| mdke | hey jerome | 06:33 |
| jsgotangco | mdke: good morning | 06:34 |
| mdke | jjesse: ping | 06:36 |
| jsgotangco | mdke: how goes the translations? | 06:37 |
| mdke | they're going well, subject to some more string freeze exceptions coming their way ;) | 06:37 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 06:38 |
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| mdke | hiya joachim-n | 06:42 |
| jsgotangco | hey | 06:42 |
| robotgeek | mdke: looks good to me :) | 06:46 |
| mdke | robotgeek: alright. I'll upload. what do you think about putting it in about kubuntu, after "The Difference"? | 06:47 |
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| mdke | robotgeek: also, have a look at the second half of this patch: http://mdke.org/ubuntu/desktopguide.patch (for the renaming of the install cds), shall I apply that to KDG too? | 06:48 |
| mdke | sorry for the absence of wrapping | 06:48 |
| robotgeek | mdke: ooh, nice work | 06:49 |
| mdke | ok for KDG? | 06:50 |
| robotgeek | does rosetta automagically handle line numbers? | 06:50 |
| robotgeek | yes, okay for KDG | 06:50 |
| mdke | thanks. | 06:51 |
| mdke | yes, it merges line numbers | 06:51 |
| robotgeek | mdke: thank you! | 06:51 |
| joachim-n | hi | 06:52 |
| robotgeek | hi joachim-n | 06:52 |
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| mdke | I'll commit, then at the worst we can tinker if necessary. | 06:55 |
| jjesse | mdke: wrote back to you, go and ahed and change about kubuntu as i'm swamped right now at work, everyone else has the day off :( | 07:20 |
| mdke | jjesse: did it. Your email is broken still | 07:21 |
| jjesse | hmmm wonder what is wrong with it as I'm sending and receiving other email | 07:21 |
| mdke | <jjesse@iserv.net>: host mail.iserv.net[69.87.129.140] said: 553 5.3.0 Rejected by Iserv RBL - 62.241.163.6 (in reply to MAIL FROM command) | 07:22 |
| jjesse | mdke: is your email on a blacklist someplace? | 07:23 |
| mdke | not to my knowledge. | 07:24 |
| LaserJock | hehe, jjesse blacklists mdke | 07:24 |
| jsgotangco | ehhehe | 07:24 |
| jjesse | ok gotta contact my isp then | 07:27 |
| jjesse | sent an email to my isp to try and figure this out, wonder how many other emails i'm missing | 07:31 |
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| highvoltage | hi docteam | 07:52 |
| jjesse | helo highvoltage | 07:52 |
| highvoltage | you know those templates that wikipedia uses in mediawiki? | 07:52 |
| highvoltage | hi jjesse | 07:52 |
| highvoltage | do we have something similar in moinmoin for the ubuntu wiki? | 07:52 |
| highvoltage | i need something that says something to the lines of "This dodgy documentation, follow at your own risk" | 07:53 |
| highvoltage | for an example, see: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/MondoMindi | 07:53 |
| jsgotangco | i dont think we such kind of templates that look like those in mediawiki | 07:54 |
| jsgotangco | we have | 07:54 |
| jsgotangco | i mean | 07:54 |
| jsgotangco | err we don't have | 07:55 |
| jsgotangco | gahh | 07:55 |
| jsgotangco | (2am) | 07:55 |
| highvoltage | hehe | 07:55 |
| highvoltage | is it moin that doesn't support them, or is it just not used at the moment? | 07:55 |
| highvoltage | it would even be nice just to say that this page is still a stub, and that you can improve it. | 07:55 |
| highvoltage | there are also a few pages that really shouldn't be there, i mean, that's really not good advice. | 07:56 |
| jsgotangco | it would be nice to have something like {{dodgy}} template | 07:58 |
| jsgotangco | then automagically adds that at the top | 07:58 |
| LaserJock | wouldn't that be something for CategoryCleanup, or no? | 07:58 |
| jsgotangco | sure but i think CamelCase doesn't grab attention unlike what mediawiki uses | 08:00 |
| highvoltage | and that also just adds one word way at the bottom of the doc. | 08:04 |
| highvoltage | with the template you can put up something big and noticable | 08:04 |
| mdke | I'm not sure about what you want to do, but I think it's likely that you can do it in moin. Best to ask in #moin | 08:04 |
| jsgotangco | mdke: something similar to what wikipedia uses for current events/disputable entries | 08:05 |
| highvoltage | mdke: those two block at the top in this page are templates: http://wiki.clug.org.za/wiki/Roaming_between_wireless_and_wired | 08:12 |
| highvoltage | so you just add {{newpage}} or {{debian}} in the page, and the blocks are there | 08:12 |
| highvoltage | if you look at this page: http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Linus_Torvalds | 08:12 |
| jsgotangco | yeah that's mediawiki style | 08:12 |
| highvoltage | there's a template there tha links to the wikipedia page | 08:13 |
| highvoltage | jsgotangco: yeah, i just want to show him what we're talking about | 08:13 |
| jsgotangco | i love that feature | 08:13 |
| jsgotangco | you can just make a template with virtually any size you want and just embed it | 08:14 |
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| jsgotangco | have a good weekend guys | 08:53 |
| jjesse | how do i make a link in a wiki page to a sub page for example want to link to KubuntuDocs/Dapper | 09:29 |
| highvoltage | just like that :) | 09:31 |
| highvoltage | KubuntuDocs/Dapper will link do KubuntuDocs/Dapper :) | 09:31 |
| jjesse | hmm didn't do it correctly look at KubuntuDocs on the wiki | 09:31 |
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| highvoltage | jjesse: it seems to work by adding it in [" "] | 09:37 |
| highvoltage | so putting ["KubuntuDocs"] should work (just tested it there) | 09:38 |
| jjesse | thanks highvoltage | 10:06 |
| highvoltage | you're welcom | 10:07 |
| highvoltage | e | 10:07 |
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