[12:03] <LaserJock> I'm starting pretty much from scratch, very nice
[12:03] <mdke> cool
[12:03] <LaserJock> the only problem is that I also have a Windows drive
[12:03] <mdke> I did a clean install this time too
[12:04] <LaserJock> The computer was originally an HP that I bought in 2002 when I started grad school
[12:04] <LaserJock> but I put a new motherboard in and added an Ubuntu hard drive
[12:05] <LaserJock> but now Windows is totally screwed. It doesn't recognize my product key
[12:05] <LaserJock> it must be tied to the hardware somehow :(
[12:05] <mdke> haha
[12:05] <mdke> that sucks so bad
[12:05] <LaserJock> yeah, because my wife still uses Windows :(
[12:05] <mdke> what for?
[12:05] <LaserJock> and she is mad at me for mucking with the computer
[12:06] <mdke> tell her that you're the computer boss, and she has to use Ubuntu
[12:06] <mdke> (WORKSFORME)
[12:06] <LaserJock> actually, the only thing she uses it for is to access the printer from our laptop
[12:07] <LaserJock> so if I can set up the printer as a samba share or something, then I think it might work
[12:07] <mdke> cups printer
[12:07] <LaserJock> but it did have a lot of data on it, I will need to get that off
[12:08] <LaserJock> but it just makes me soooo mad that MS would do that
[12:08] <LaserJock> at least it gives me an example for my wife that MS is from the devil
[12:09] <mdke> yeah
[12:10] <LaserJock> and that computer didn't even come with recovery discs or Windows CDs. You have no access to your OS
[12:20] <LaserJock> way to go mdke, that's the way to get things done ;-)
[12:21] <mdke> it's all about hitting the right person
[12:21] <LaserJock> very true
[12:21] <LaserJock> that and not making the right person mad
[12:21] <mdke> last time I chatted to pitti and ogra, they didn't know why
[12:21] <mdke> this time, you get keybuk, he sorts it straight away
[01:06] <poningru> robotgeek: ping
[01:07] <robotgeek> poningru: pong
[01:08] <robotgeek> poningru: did you get those messges in you away log?
[01:08] <poningru> robotgeek: yeah apologies about adding easyubuntu
[01:08] <poningru> I had asked a ton of people
[01:08] <poningru> just didnt find you
[01:08] <robotgeek> poningru: heh, no worries.
[01:08] <robotgeek> i got most of my stuff from that page, it will soon be ready :)
[01:09] <poningru> robotgeek: I would like to contribute...
[01:09] <poningru> summer is coming up, I dont really have anything to do
[01:09] <robotgeek> poningru: http://tinyurl.com/kw4u 
[01:09] <poningru> ???
[01:09] <robotgeek> wtf, not again
[01:10] <poningru> whats wrong now?
[01:10] <robotgeek> i made a clever list of pages in tinyurl, it doesn't seem to stick
[01:10] <robotgeek> bugs list, err
[01:11] <robotgeek> poningru: #easyubuntu-dev please :)
[01:14] <mdke> ooh, we can do lots of playing with our lulu storefront
[01:14] <mdke> good
[01:21] <LaserJock> mdke: URL?
[01:23] <mdke> http://www.lulu.com/ubuntu-doc
[01:26] <LaserJock> heh, somehow I thought it would be messier then that
[01:27] <robotgeek> nice
[01:34] <LaserJock> interesting
[01:40] <mdke> man, lulu is pretty cool
[01:41] <LaserJock> heh, I didn't look to bad, just not very Ubuntu-like
[01:41] <mdke> what's that?
[01:41] <LaserJock> the green you had
[01:41] <mdke> ah, I was just scrolling through the various themes
[01:41] <LaserJock> ah, well I must have refreshed on one
[01:42] <mdke> went back to the simple one and added some brown
[01:46] <mdke> ok, night all
[01:50] <LaserJock> cya mdke 
[04:42] <LaserJock> darn, I should have said something about the espresso -> ubiquity change
[04:43] <robotgeek> hah, i havent mentioned espresso at all :P
[04:44] <robotgeek> i thing only about Kubuntu and release notes will need to be changed
[04:44] <robotgeek> s/thing/think
[04:44] <LaserJock> I haven't either, but I knew about the change a while ago
[05:21] <jjesse> !yup already have them changed and submitting tomorrow :)
[05:21] <jjesse> about kubuntu and releasenotes
[05:21] <jjesse> night folks
[05:23] <robotgeek> jjesse: night, awesome!
[09:11] <mdke_> morning
[09:12] <highvoltage> morning
[05:02] <mdke> ooh paris eh
[05:02] <mdke> good call
[05:24] <LaserJock> morning doc people
[05:24] <robotgeek> morning LaserJock 
[05:24] <mdke> hiya
[05:25] <LaserJock> robotgeek: you interested in packaging electronics apps?
[05:27] <robotgeek> LaserJock: hmm, i don't know if i have time right now
[05:28] <LaserJock> robotgeek: well, I was thinking more in general
[05:28] <mdke> what do people think about adding LTS to the version number entities?
[05:28] <mdke> i think we may have to, but it will result in a decent number of translations breaking :-(
[05:28] <LaserJock> mdke: well, I sorta think it is important that we have the name of the distro right
[05:28] <mdke> if that is part of the name, then yes
[05:29] <LaserJock> mdke: it would only reflect badly on the doc team if we don't, even though I don't really think it is our fault exactly ;-)
[05:29] <mdke> if it's part of the version number, then we should add it, I suppose.
[05:29] <robotgeek> but would we have to rewrite all translations? that would suck, really bad
[05:29] <mdke> robotgeek: not all, but quite a few strings probably
[05:30] <robotgeek> mdke: can't we entitize even that?
[05:30] <mdke> no
[05:30] <LaserJock> seemes like there should be a better system that way for translations
[05:30] <robotgeek> LTS is LTS, and maybe add one line somewhere about LTS = Long Term Support
[05:30] <LaserJock> like you just translate the entitity or something
[05:32] <mdke> robotgeek: it would go in the "Version and release numbers" section of the desktopguide and about ubuntu, dunno if you have that section in kDG
[05:33] <robotgeek> Yeah, i have that section
[05:34] <mdke> best to make it a separate paragraph, if possible, so that the string doesn't need to be changed
[05:35] <mdke> oh.,
[05:36] <mdke> changing the entity results in 2 string changes to UDG
[05:36] <mdke> that's not bad :D
[05:37] <LaserJock> heh, mdke is all excited about nothing ;-) oh the drama :p
[05:37] <mdke> 4 strings in serverguide
[05:38] <mdke> nothing in PG
[05:38] <mdke> ok, this is all fine then
[05:41] <mdke> robotgeek: so perhaps we should add a section to explain the long term nature of dapper, do you think it is warranted?
[05:42] <LaserJock> mdke: I think sabdfl would be pleased
[05:43] <mdke> well, in *that* case :)
[05:43] <robotgeek> mdke: heh, go for it
[05:43] <mdke> I'm going to put it in after "The Difference"
[05:43] <mdke> and I'll post it here for review
[05:53] <mdke> meh, I can't think of anything to say
[05:54] <robotgeek> mdke: copy paste from sabdfl's announcement :)
[05:54] <mdke> ok, looking. In the meantime, I've done this:
Every   <para>Every Ubuntu release is supported for 18 months with security and other updates. However, Ubuntu &distro-rev; is a special enterprise release, and is supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server. As a result, it will be possible to rely on Ubuntu &distro-rev; for a longer period than usual. Therefore this release of Ubuntu is referred to as &quot;LTS&quot; or &quot;Long Term Support&quot;.</para>
[05:55] <robotgeek> nice, good enough i think
[05:56] <mdke> do we want to ham it up any more than that, you think?
[05:56] <mdke> the word "polish" might be used, I spose
[05:56] <LaserJock> yeah, that will get all the people from Poland reading ;-)
[05:57] <mdke> so, I'll leave it like that, unless you guys have anything you'd like to add
[05:59] <robotgeek> if i'm reading the mailing list in webbroswer, i can't view signed messages. any hints?
[05:59] <LaserJock> hmm, I would want to throw in that 6.06 LTS had a longer development cycle to ensure that it is enterprise ready
[05:59] <LaserJock> or something to the fact that something was actuallly *done* to make it LTS
[06:00] <LaserJock> robotgeek: signed? you should only not be able to see encrypted messages, I would think
[06:00] <robotgeek> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/sounder/2006-April/006275.html for example
[06:01] <mdke> robotgeek: it's a mailman bug I suppose
[06:02] <robotgeek> hmm, i am able to read it on gmane, though
[06:06] <mdke> hmm
[06:06] <robotgeek> food beckons, later
[06:10] <mdke> alright
[06:10] <mdke> http://mdke.org/images/lts.png
[06:12] <mdke> LaserJock: ^
[06:12] <LaserJock> mdke: on it
[06:13] <LaserJock> awesome
[06:14] <LaserJock> I think it says a lot to why we had the 6 week delay and the idea of having an LTS release
[06:15] <mdke> ok, I'm going to post to the list and ask for feedback before committing
[06:15] <mdke> maybe -devel too
[06:15] <LaserJock> yeah,  you are sure to get feedback from -devel ;-)
[06:16] <mdke> hmm
[06:16] <LaserJock> but to be honest, I didn't really realize what this was all about until today
[06:16] <LaserJock> so I think it might be worthwile to get the word out
[06:17] <LaserJock> I assumed that every release from Dapper onward was going to have 3/5 year support
[06:18] <mdke> ouch, string freeze was yesterday too
[06:19] <LaserJock> heh, what's a few freeze exceptions between friends?
[06:19] <LaserJock> I wish we (as a Project) were a little better about Freezes
[06:20] <LaserJock> in the MOTU world it seems more like a Chill rather than Freeze
[06:20] <mdke> great word
[06:20] <mdke> mdz is pretty strict about freezes actually, generally
[06:21] <LaserJock> yeah, Universe seems to be a bit of an exception (pun intended)
[06:28] <LaserJock> hi jsgotangco 
[06:28] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: hi!
[06:33] <mdke> robotgeek: ok, check out the text, if you're happy for me to add it to the KDG too (with s/Ubuntu/Kubuntu), I'll commit everything
[06:33] <mdke> hey jerome
[06:34] <jsgotangco> mdke: good morning
[06:36] <mdke> jjesse: ping
[06:37] <jsgotangco> mdke: how goes the translations?
[06:37] <mdke> they're going well, subject to some more string freeze exceptions coming their way ;)
[06:38] <jsgotangco> heh
[06:42] <mdke> hiya joachim-n 
[06:42] <jsgotangco> hey
[06:46] <robotgeek> mdke: looks good to me :)
[06:47] <mdke> robotgeek: alright. I'll upload. what do you think about putting it in about kubuntu, after "The Difference"?
[06:48] <mdke> robotgeek: also, have a look at the second half of this patch: http://mdke.org/ubuntu/desktopguide.patch (for the renaming of the install cds), shall I apply that to KDG too?
[06:48] <mdke> sorry for the absence of wrapping
[06:49] <robotgeek> mdke: ooh, nice work 
[06:50] <mdke> ok for KDG?
[06:50] <robotgeek> does rosetta automagically handle line numbers?
[06:50] <robotgeek> yes, okay for KDG 
[06:51] <mdke> thanks.
[06:51] <mdke> yes, it merges line numbers
[06:51] <robotgeek> mdke: thank you!
[06:52] <joachim-n> hi
[06:52] <robotgeek> hi joachim-n 
[06:55] <mdke> I'll commit, then at the worst we can tinker if necessary.
[07:20] <jjesse> mdke: wrote back to you, go and ahed and change about kubuntu as i'm swamped right now at work, everyone else has the day off :(
[07:21] <mdke> jjesse: did it. Your email is broken still
[07:21] <jjesse> hmmm wonder what is wrong with it as I'm sending and receiving other email
 host mail.iserv.net[69.87.129.140]  said: 553 5.3.0 Rejected by Iserv RBL - 62.241.163.6 (in reply to MAIL FROM command)
[07:23] <jjesse> mdke: is your email on a blacklist someplace?
[07:24] <mdke> not to my knowledge.
[07:24] <LaserJock> hehe, jjesse blacklists mdke
[07:24] <jsgotangco> ehhehe
[07:27] <jjesse> ok gotta contact my isp then
[07:31] <jjesse> sent an email to my isp to try and figure this out, wonder how many other emails i'm missing
[07:52] <highvoltage> hi docteam
[07:52] <jjesse> helo highvoltage
[07:52] <highvoltage> you know those templates that wikipedia uses in mediawiki?
[07:52] <highvoltage> hi jjesse 
[07:52] <highvoltage> do we have something similar in moinmoin for the ubuntu wiki?
[07:53] <highvoltage> i need something that says something to the lines of "This dodgy documentation, follow at your own risk"
[07:53] <highvoltage> for an example, see: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/MondoMindi
[07:54] <jsgotangco> i dont think we such kind of templates that look like those in mediawiki
[07:54] <jsgotangco> we have
[07:54] <jsgotangco> i mean
[07:55] <jsgotangco> err we don't have
[07:55] <jsgotangco> gahh
[07:55] <jsgotangco> (2am)
[07:55] <highvoltage> hehe
[07:55] <highvoltage> is it moin that doesn't support them, or is it just not used at the moment?
[07:55] <highvoltage> it would even be nice just to say that this page is still a stub, and that you can improve it.
[07:56] <highvoltage> there are also a few pages that really shouldn't be there, i mean, that's really not good advice.
[07:58] <jsgotangco> it would be nice to have something like {{dodgy}} template
[07:58] <jsgotangco> then automagically adds that at the top
[07:58] <LaserJock> wouldn't that be something for CategoryCleanup, or no?
[08:00] <jsgotangco> sure but i think CamelCase doesn't grab attention unlike what mediawiki uses
[08:04] <highvoltage> and that also just adds one word way at the bottom of the doc.
[08:04] <highvoltage> with the template you can put up something big and noticable
[08:04] <mdke> I'm not sure about what you want to do, but I think it's likely that you can do it in moin. Best to ask in #moin
[08:05] <jsgotangco> mdke: something similar to what wikipedia uses for current events/disputable entries
[08:12] <highvoltage> mdke: those two block at the top in this page are templates: http://wiki.clug.org.za/wiki/Roaming_between_wireless_and_wired
[08:12] <highvoltage> so you just add {{newpage}} or {{debian}} in the page, and the blocks are there
[08:12] <highvoltage> if you look at this page: http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Linus_Torvalds
[08:12] <jsgotangco> yeah that's mediawiki style
[08:13] <highvoltage> there's a template there tha links to the wikipedia page
[08:13] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: yeah, i just want to show him what we're talking about
[08:13] <jsgotangco> i love that feature
[08:14] <jsgotangco> you can just make a template with virtually any size you want and just embed it
[08:53] <jsgotangco> have a good weekend guys
[09:29] <jjesse> how do i make a link in a wiki page to a sub page for example want to link to KubuntuDocs/Dapper
[09:31] <highvoltage> just like that :)
[09:31] <highvoltage> KubuntuDocs/Dapper will link do KubuntuDocs/Dapper :)
[09:31] <jjesse> hmm didn't do it correctly look at KubuntuDocs on the wiki
[09:37] <highvoltage> jjesse: it seems to work by adding it in  [" "] 
[09:38] <highvoltage> so putting ["KubuntuDocs"]  should work (just tested it there)
[10:06] <jjesse> thanks highvoltage
[10:07] <highvoltage> you're welcom
[10:07] <highvoltage> e