[12:03] I'm starting pretty much from scratch, very nice [12:03] cool [12:03] the only problem is that I also have a Windows drive [12:03] I did a clean install this time too === robotgeek finished some more EU stuff [12:04] The computer was originally an HP that I bought in 2002 when I started grad school [12:04] but I put a new motherboard in and added an Ubuntu hard drive [12:05] but now Windows is totally screwed. It doesn't recognize my product key [12:05] it must be tied to the hardware somehow :( [12:05] haha [12:05] that sucks so bad [12:05] yeah, because my wife still uses Windows :( [12:05] what for? [12:05] and she is mad at me for mucking with the computer [12:06] tell her that you're the computer boss, and she has to use Ubuntu [12:06] (WORKSFORME) [12:06] actually, the only thing she uses it for is to access the printer from our laptop [12:07] so if I can set up the printer as a samba share or something, then I think it might work [12:07] cups printer [12:07] but it did have a lot of data on it, I will need to get that off [12:08] but it just makes me soooo mad that MS would do that [12:08] at least it gives me an example for my wife that MS is from the devil [12:09] yeah [12:10] and that computer didn't even come with recovery discs or Windows CDs. You have no access to your OS === robotgee1 [i=venkat@digital.celebris.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:20] way to go mdke, that's the way to get things done ;-) [12:21] it's all about hitting the right person [12:21] very true [12:21] that and not making the right person mad [12:21] last time I chatted to pitti and ogra, they didn't know why [12:21] this time, you get keybuk, he sorts it straight away === klepas [n=klepas@220-245-224-46.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@203-173-141-46.bliink.ihug.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jenda [n=jenda@unaffiliated/jenda] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:06] robotgeek: ping [01:07] poningru: pong [01:08] poningru: did you get those messges in you away log? [01:08] robotgeek: yeah apologies about adding easyubuntu [01:08] I had asked a ton of people [01:08] just didnt find you [01:08] poningru: heh, no worries. [01:08] i got most of my stuff from that page, it will soon be ready :) [01:09] robotgeek: I would like to contribute... [01:09] summer is coming up, I dont really have anything to do [01:09] poningru: http://tinyurl.com/kw4u [01:09] ??? === poningru is confoozled [01:09] wtf, not again [01:10] whats wrong now? [01:10] i made a clever list of pages in tinyurl, it doesn't seem to stick [01:10] bugs list, err [01:11] poningru: #easyubuntu-dev please :) === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:14] ooh, we can do lots of playing with our lulu storefront [01:14] good [01:21] mdke: URL? [01:23] http://www.lulu.com/ubuntu-doc [01:26] heh, somehow I thought it would be messier then that [01:27] nice === mdke tries to turn everything brown [01:34] interesting === mdke gives up [01:40] man, lulu is pretty cool [01:41] heh, I didn't look to bad, just not very Ubuntu-like [01:41] what's that? [01:41] the green you had [01:41] ah, I was just scrolling through the various themes [01:41] ah, well I must have refreshed on one [01:42] went back to the simple one and added some brown [01:46] ok, night all [01:50] cya mdke === mpt_ [n=mpt@203.173.191.118] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse [i=user@69-87-139-98.async.iserv.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt__ [n=mpt@203-173-141-46.bliink.ihug.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === klepas [n=klepas@220-245-224-46.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:42] darn, I should have said something about the espresso -> ubiquity change [04:43] hah, i havent mentioned espresso at all :P [04:44] i thing only about Kubuntu and release notes will need to be changed [04:44] s/thing/think [04:44] I haven't either, but I knew about the change a while ago === bhuvan [n=bhuvan@ubuntu/member/bhuvan] has joined #ubuntu-doc === poningru__ [n=poningru@ip68-226-0-76.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:21] !yup already have them changed and submitting tomorrow :) [05:21] about kubuntu and releasenotes [05:21] night folks [05:23] jjesse: night, awesome! === mpt [n=mpt@203-173-141-46.bliink.ihug.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mhz [n=mhz_chil@moinmoin/fan/mhz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === klepas [n=klepas@sponge.solutionsfirst.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-doc === gobbe_ [n=jauroju@korppi.elma.fi] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === poningru [n=poningru@ip68-226-0-76.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-doc === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-doc === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@59.92.35.63] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke_ [n=matt@81-178-218-210.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:11] morning [09:12] morning === mpt [n=mpt@203-173-141-46.bliink.ihug.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt_ [n=mpt@203-173-141-46.bliink.ihug.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt__ [n=mpt@203-173-141-46.bliink.ihug.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt_ [n=mpt@203-173-141-46.bliink.ihug.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt_ [n=mpt@203-173-141-46.bliink.ihug.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bhuvan [n=bhuvan@ubuntu/member/bhuvan] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@203-173-141-46.bliink.ihug.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === samir85 [n=samir@dslb-084-058-226-229.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@59.92.43.55] has joined #ubuntu-doc === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-doc === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@59.92.43.55] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === lloydinho [n=andreas@rosinante.egmont-kol.dk] has joined #ubuntu-doc === samir85_ [n=samir@dslb-084-058-224-036.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-doc === lakin [n=lakin@S01060013101832ce.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:02] ooh paris eh [05:02] good call === trappist declares this Bring Your Puppy to Work Day [05:24] morning doc people [05:24] morning LaserJock [05:24] hiya [05:25] robotgeek: you interested in packaging electronics apps? [05:27] LaserJock: hmm, i don't know if i have time right now [05:28] robotgeek: well, I was thinking more in general === robotgeek spends a bit too much of time on Ubuntu work [05:28] what do people think about adding LTS to the version number entities? [05:28] i think we may have to, but it will result in a decent number of translations breaking :-( [05:28] mdke: well, I sorta think it is important that we have the name of the distro right [05:28] if that is part of the name, then yes [05:29] mdke: it would only reflect badly on the doc team if we don't, even though I don't really think it is our fault exactly ;-) [05:29] if it's part of the version number, then we should add it, I suppose. [05:29] but would we have to rewrite all translations? that would suck, really bad [05:29] robotgeek: not all, but quite a few strings probably [05:30] mdke: can't we entitize even that? [05:30] no [05:30] seemes like there should be a better system that way for translations [05:30] LTS is LTS, and maybe add one line somewhere about LTS = Long Term Support [05:30] like you just translate the entitity or something [05:32] robotgeek: it would go in the "Version and release numbers" section of the desktopguide and about ubuntu, dunno if you have that section in kDG [05:33] Yeah, i have that section [05:34] best to make it a separate paragraph, if possible, so that the string doesn't need to be changed [05:35] oh., [05:36] changing the entity results in 2 string changes to UDG [05:36] that's not bad :D [05:37] heh, mdke is all excited about nothing ;-) oh the drama :p === mdke slaps [05:37] 4 strings in serverguide [05:38] nothing in PG [05:38] ok, this is all fine then [05:41] robotgeek: so perhaps we should add a section to explain the long term nature of dapper, do you think it is warranted? [05:42] mdke: I think sabdfl would be pleased [05:43] well, in *that* case :) [05:43] mdke: heh, go for it [05:43] I'm going to put it in after "The Difference" [05:43] and I'll post it here for review [05:53] meh, I can't think of anything to say [05:54] mdke: copy paste from sabdfl's announcement :) [05:54] ok, looking. In the meantime, I've done this: [05:54] Every Every Ubuntu release is supported for 18 months with security and other updates. However, Ubuntu &distro-rev; is a special enterprise release, and is supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server. As a result, it will be possible to rely on Ubuntu &distro-rev; for a longer period than usual. Therefore this release of Ubuntu is referred to as "LTS" or "Long Term Support". [05:55] nice, good enough i think [05:56] do we want to ham it up any more than that, you think? [05:56] the word "polish" might be used, I spose [05:56] yeah, that will get all the people from Poland reading ;-) === mdke winces [05:57] so, I'll leave it like that, unless you guys have anything you'd like to add [05:59] if i'm reading the mailing list in webbroswer, i can't view signed messages. any hints? [05:59] hmm, I would want to throw in that 6.06 LTS had a longer development cycle to ensure that it is enterprise ready [05:59] or something to the fact that something was actuallly *done* to make it LTS [06:00] robotgeek: signed? you should only not be able to see encrypted messages, I would think [06:00] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/sounder/2006-April/006275.html for example [06:01] robotgeek: it's a mailman bug I suppose [06:02] hmm, i am able to read it on gmane, though [06:06] hmm [06:06] food beckons, later [06:10] alright [06:10] http://mdke.org/images/lts.png [06:12] LaserJock: ^ [06:12] mdke: on it [06:13] awesome [06:14] I think it says a lot to why we had the 6 week delay and the idea of having an LTS release [06:15] ok, I'm going to post to the list and ask for feedback before committing [06:15] maybe -devel too [06:15] yeah, you are sure to get feedback from -devel ;-) [06:16] hmm [06:16] but to be honest, I didn't really realize what this was all about until today [06:16] so I think it might be worthwile to get the word out [06:17] I assumed that every release from Dapper onward was going to have 3/5 year support [06:18] ouch, string freeze was yesterday too [06:19] heh, what's a few freeze exceptions between friends? === mdke crosses fingers [06:19] I wish we (as a Project) were a little better about Freezes [06:20] in the MOTU world it seems more like a Chill rather than Freeze [06:20] great word [06:20] mdz is pretty strict about freezes actually, generally [06:21] yeah, Universe seems to be a bit of an exception (pun intended) === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:28] hi jsgotangco [06:28] LaserJock: hi! [06:33] robotgeek: ok, check out the text, if you're happy for me to add it to the KDG too (with s/Ubuntu/Kubuntu), I'll commit everything [06:33] hey jerome [06:34] mdke: good morning [06:36] jjesse: ping [06:37] mdke: how goes the translations? [06:37] they're going well, subject to some more string freeze exceptions coming their way ;) [06:38] heh === joachim-n [n=joachim@ACD1B925.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:42] hiya joachim-n [06:42] hey [06:46] mdke: looks good to me :) [06:47] robotgeek: alright. I'll upload. what do you think about putting it in about kubuntu, after "The Difference"? === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@59.92.44.101] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:48] robotgeek: also, have a look at the second half of this patch: http://mdke.org/ubuntu/desktopguide.patch (for the renaming of the install cds), shall I apply that to KDG too? [06:48] sorry for the absence of wrapping [06:49] mdke: ooh, nice work [06:50] ok for KDG? [06:50] does rosetta automagically handle line numbers? [06:50] yes, okay for KDG [06:51] thanks. [06:51] yes, it merges line numbers [06:51] mdke: thank you! [06:52] hi [06:52] hi joachim-n === mdke finishes all those changes [06:55] I'll commit, then at the worst we can tinker if necessary. [07:20] mdke: wrote back to you, go and ahed and change about kubuntu as i'm swamped right now at work, everyone else has the day off :( [07:21] jjesse: did it. Your email is broken still [07:21] hmmm wonder what is wrong with it as I'm sending and receiving other email [07:22] : host mail.iserv.net[69.87.129.140] said: 553 5.3.0 Rejected by Iserv RBL - 62.241.163.6 (in reply to MAIL FROM command) [07:23] mdke: is your email on a blacklist someplace? [07:24] not to my knowledge. [07:24] hehe, jjesse blacklists mdke [07:24] ehhehe [07:27] ok gotta contact my isp then [07:31] sent an email to my isp to try and figure this out, wonder how many other emails i'm missing === highvoltage [n=Jono@mtngprs7.mtn.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:52] hi docteam [07:52] helo highvoltage [07:52] you know those templates that wikipedia uses in mediawiki? [07:52] hi jjesse [07:52] do we have something similar in moinmoin for the ubuntu wiki? [07:53] i need something that says something to the lines of "This dodgy documentation, follow at your own risk" [07:53] for an example, see: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/MondoMindi [07:54] i dont think we such kind of templates that look like those in mediawiki [07:54] we have [07:54] i mean [07:55] err we don't have [07:55] gahh [07:55] (2am) [07:55] hehe [07:55] is it moin that doesn't support them, or is it just not used at the moment? [07:55] it would even be nice just to say that this page is still a stub, and that you can improve it. [07:56] there are also a few pages that really shouldn't be there, i mean, that's really not good advice. [07:58] it would be nice to have something like {{dodgy}} template [07:58] then automagically adds that at the top [07:58] wouldn't that be something for CategoryCleanup, or no? [08:00] sure but i think CamelCase doesn't grab attention unlike what mediawiki uses [08:04] and that also just adds one word way at the bottom of the doc. [08:04] with the template you can put up something big and noticable [08:04] I'm not sure about what you want to do, but I think it's likely that you can do it in moin. Best to ask in #moin [08:05] mdke: something similar to what wikipedia uses for current events/disputable entries [08:12] mdke: those two block at the top in this page are templates: http://wiki.clug.org.za/wiki/Roaming_between_wireless_and_wired [08:12] so you just add {{newpage}} or {{debian}} in the page, and the blocks are there [08:12] if you look at this page: http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Linus_Torvalds [08:12] yeah that's mediawiki style [08:13] there's a template there tha links to the wikipedia page [08:13] jsgotangco: yeah, i just want to show him what we're talking about [08:13] i love that feature [08:14] you can just make a template with virtually any size you want and just embed it === joachim-n [n=joachim@AC8F56A4.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === dsas [n=dean@host81-158-81-220.range81-158.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:53] have a good weekend guys [09:29] how do i make a link in a wiki page to a sub page for example want to link to KubuntuDocs/Dapper [09:31] just like that :) [09:31] KubuntuDocs/Dapper will link do KubuntuDocs/Dapper :) [09:31] hmm didn't do it correctly look at KubuntuDocs on the wiki === highvoltage looks [09:37] jjesse: it seems to work by adding it in [" "] [09:38] so putting ["KubuntuDocs"] should work (just tested it there) [10:06] thanks highvoltage [10:07] you're welcom [10:07] e === jenda [n=jenda@unaffiliated/jenda] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke_ [n=matt@81-178-252-223.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Cturtle [n=Cturtle@a213-84-50-38.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-doc