[01:17] <ppirrip> motd
[01:17] <tseng> aotw
[02:02] <zul> heylo
[02:03] <ajmitch> hey zul
[02:05] <zul> hey ajmitch
[02:06] <LaserJock> hi zul and ahm
[02:06] <LaserJock> ajmitch i mean
[02:07] <zul> hey laserjock
[02:07] <ajmitch> hi LaserJock
[02:07] <LaserJock> ajmitch: do you use mutt?
[02:08] <ajmitch> I do
[02:08] <Hobbsee> hi LaserJock and zul
[02:08] <Hobbsee> and ajmitch
[02:08] <LaserJock> what do you use for an addressbook?
[02:08] <ajmitch> I don't
[02:08] <Hobbsee> he remembers all the addresses :P
[02:09] <LaserJock> not even aliases?
[02:09] <ajmitch> nope
[02:09] <ajmitch> why would I send anyone mail? ;)
[02:09] <LaserJock> hmm, well then you're no help ;-)
[02:09] <ajmitch> yeah, I'm just useless :)
[02:10] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:10] <LaserJock> well, the lack of an addressbook is my only real complaint with mutt ATM
[02:11] <LaserJock> I got abook, which seems nice, but it doesn't do groups apparently
[02:15] <LaserJock> hi Hobbsee, btw
[02:15] <ajmitch> yes, hello Hobbsee :)
[02:16] <Hobbsee> why do i get teh feeling that someone's laughing at me?
[02:16] <ajmitch> I'm not
[02:16] <Hobbsee> or that i should change my nick to TigerlikeHobbsee or something...
[02:16] <Hobbsee> :P
[02:16] <ajmitch> LaserJock may be laughing at you, but he's not showing it
[02:20] <Hobbsee> run an rm -rf on the email addresses - simple solutoin
[02:20] <LaserJock> and reading an email from a guy who is going to give the doc-team a 3 part email about how we have it all wrong
[02:21] <ajmitch> LaserJock: those sort of emails are great
[02:21] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:21] <Hobbsee> gotta love them
[02:22] <LaserJock> apparently he spent lots and lots of time trying to find documenation on setting up a networked printer via CUPS
[02:22] <LaserJock> and then says we are doomed to become another OS/2
[02:23] <LaserJock> I can only hope that somewhere in the pages and pages that he has to say that there will be something useful to learn
[02:38] <zul> mmmm...os/2
[02:40] <zul> yessss!!!
[02:41] <ajmitch> zul: ?
[02:42] <zul> watching hockey....ottawa just scored...and scored again
[02:42] <ajmitch> heh
[02:50] <LaserJock> soccer and hockey are two sports I just haven't really been able to get into. There isn't enough scoring I think
[02:51] <_jason> k, so I am trying to build a package.  I finally found one that seems to be easy.  I'm trying to figure out the depends because the docs don't mention any and tried using the 'objdump -p' command listed in the debian manual.  However, I am getting things like nxclient which really don't seem to be needed for something like http://www.stellingwerff.com/?page_id=10
[02:52] <_jason> oops, not the manual, I meant to say the new maintainer's guide: http://www.us.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ch-dreq.en.html
[02:53] <_jason> oh my question: Any advice? :P
[02:53] <LaserJock> _jason: usually you can look at the website or the INSTALL or README file to get an idea of the dependencies
[02:53] <zul> LaserJock: in hockey?!
[02:54] <LaserJock> zul: yeah, it's like usually like 1-5. I'm used to basketball and football where the scores are much higher, makes it seem like more is happening ;-)
[02:55] <bpuccio> LaserJock: that's easy, assign each goal in soccer 5 points, that is sort of what they do in football
[02:55] <bpuccio> I find football too slow, too much stop and start and stop
[02:55] <_jason> LaserJock: I can't find anything in those files nor on the site.  It does have an 'autopackage' though.  Would that usually contain some information about the dependencies?
[02:55] <LaserJock> bpuccio: yeah, stupid Americans. We just like to fool ourselves ;-)
[02:55] <zul> LaserJock: because you multiple everything like 7 in football so it looks like there is more scoring ;)
[02:56] <bpuccio> ha! I am an American :D
[02:56] <LaserJock> zul: but it isn't just multiplying by 7. You can score 1,2,3, or 6
[02:57] <LaserJock> makes for more combinations and strategy
[02:57] <zul> LaserJock: i dont have the attention span for football
[02:59] <LaserJock> zul: hmm, that is what I was thinking about hockey :/ Maybe it is just what we grew up with or something
[03:01] <zul> LaserJock: yeah probably...my dad was watching football when i was born i never really got into it
[03:03] <LaserJock> actually it took a buddy at school to get me interested. Once I got into the season and was following team and had a better grasp of the rules, etc. it became a lot more interesting
[03:04] <_jason> ok different question, after running dh_make, my control file has Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}, ${misc:Depends}.  It is intended that I manually replace that, correct?
[03:04] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:05] <ajmitch> hi bddebian
[03:05] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch, LaserJock
[03:05] <ajmitch> _jason: depends on what else you need
[03:05] <bddebian> Man, this xsim is REALLy pissing me off
[03:05] <zul> wohoo...another goal
[03:05] <ajmitch> bddebian: work on something else then
[03:06] <LaserJock> hi bddebian
[03:06] <bddebian> ajmitch: It's a pride thing now :-)
[03:06] <bddebian> Heya zul
[03:06] <ajmitch> there's too many other packages out there that need fixed before release to waste time now :)
[03:06] <zul> bddebian: xsim is like from 2003 see if there is another version and file a uvf
[03:06] <ajmitch> (says the one who's sitting wasting time)
[03:06] <_jason> ajmitch: so the `` ${shlibs:Depends}}, ${misc:Depends} '' stays in there and I just add to it with commas?  or maybe there is a good reference for this, I feel like these are basic questions I should be able to read about somewhere
[03:06] <whiprush> hi aj
[03:06] <ajmitch> hey whiprush
[03:07] <whiprush> ajmitch: had a great fspot talk this past weekend.
[03:07] <bddebian> zul: There is a new release in Debian but even though it says it fixes the issue, it doesn't
[03:07] <ajmitch> _jason: yes, shlibs is used for those library packages you build-depend on
[03:07] <ajmitch> whiprush: sweet, how'd it go?
[03:07] <whiprush> perfect, until the very end, it just crashed.
[03:07] <ajmitch> _jason: you may not need misc:Depends
[03:07] <ajmitch> whiprush: wonderful, got any decent info for a bugreport?
[03:07] <whiprush> so I did a bit of XGL to make them forget.
[03:07] <ajmitch> haha
[03:07] <whiprush> no, it was on some other laptop.
[03:07] <ajmitch> distract them with shiny bling
[03:08] <bddebian> heh
[03:08] <whiprush> it was probably my fault, I had copied over my .gnome and whatnot over
[03:08] <whiprush> probably some cruft in my config
[03:08] <ajmitch> probably not
[03:09] <whiprush> fspot crashes are rare for me
[03:09] <ajmitch> at what stage did it crash?
[03:09] <whiprush> doing an effect.
[03:09] <whiprush> you select the picture
[03:09] <whiprush> and click "b&w" or whatever the effect was
[03:10] <whiprush> oh, my friend has the presentation on video
[03:10] <whiprush> I'll just show you sometime.
[03:10] <ajmitch> hm, b&w worked for me
[03:10] <whiprush> other than that at the end, people loved it
[03:10] <ajmitch> I'll check the video
[03:10] <ajmitch> sweet
[03:11] <whiprush> I did my usual "who here knows about fspot?" question
[03:11] <whiprush> and there was like, no one.
[03:11] <ajmitch> they do now
[03:11] <whiprush> well yeah
[03:11] <whiprush> I would think though, that by now people would be all over it
[03:11] <whiprush> every time I give a talk though, no one seems to know.
[03:11] <ajmitch> hopefully in main for edgy
[03:11] <ajmitch> we'll see
[03:11] <whiprush> and I've been giving the same talks in my area for 2 years.
[03:12] <whiprush> ajmitch: unf...
[03:12] <ajmitch> probably replace gthumb
[03:12] <whiprush> hopefully.
[03:12] <whiprush> i don't dislike gthumb
[03:13] <whiprush> fspot is just so sweet though
[03:13] <ajmitch> yeah, but having 2 apps for the same task in the desktop seed would suck
[03:13] <whiprush> indeed
[03:13] <ajmitch> hopefully the gphoto issues with canons will be solved soon
[03:13] <whiprush> gthumb does do "browsing directories" better though
[03:13] <ajmitch> true
[03:14] <whiprush> fspot makes you import and stuff
[03:14] <ajmitch> f-spot isn't setup for filesystem browsing
[03:14] <whiprush> gthumb just goes where you want it to and doesn't care about your photo library and all this stuff.
[03:15] <whiprush> ajmitch: snag me this weekend and make me triage
[03:16] <whiprush> need to get /something/ done this cycle. :D
[03:16] <ajmitch> sure :)
[03:16] <bddebian> heh
[03:21] <bddebian> Oh fsck xsim
[03:23] <ajmitch> whiprush: what arch were you running the demo on?
[03:24] <whiprush> i386
[03:24] <ajmitch> right
[03:24] <ajmitch> I just saw there's a mono bug about it on ppc
[03:26] <bddebian> Hmm, reject or backport to breezy?
[03:26] <bddebian> Bug #24185
[03:27] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 24185 in xorg xserver-xorg "cannot find 'fixed' font after upgrade" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/24185
[03:29] <ajmitch> backport what?
[03:29] <ajmitch> and asking MOTUs about what to do with X bugs is dangerous :)
[03:32] <ajmitch> hey bmonty
[03:32] <LaserJock> hi bmonty!
[03:32] <bddebian> ajmitch: He is talking about Breezy
[03:32] <bddebian> Heya bmonty
[03:33] <ajmitch> bddebian: I wouldn't reject a bug just because it talked about breezy
[03:33] <bddebian> ajmitch: I wasn't going to reject it, I was going to backport to breezy
[03:34] <ajmitch> you asked if you should reject it
[03:35] <bddebian> Well I meant reject because it seems like a configuration issue, or at least fixable
[03:36] <bddebian> And this one looks like an explosion waiting to happen :-)
[03:36] <bddebian> Bug #26682
[03:36] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 26682 in evms "EVMS does not work with MD" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/26682
[03:37] <lifeless> ouch
[03:37] <lifeless> thats like the dependency on udev that was missing
[03:37] <lifeless> fortunately I only use evms with lvm, not md
[03:38] <ajmitch> looks like it's solved now
[03:38] <ajmitch> for x in bbr bbr_seg bsd disk dos drivelink gpt lvm2 mac md multipath; do
[03:38] <ajmitch>         copy_exec /lib/evms/${EVMS_VERSION}/${x}-* /lib/evms/${EVMS_VERSION}
[03:38] <ajmitch> done
[03:40] <bmonty> hi ajmitch and bddebian!
[03:41] <Hobbsee> hi bmonty
[03:43] <bddebian> ajmitch: So you can close it?
[03:43] <bmonty> hey Hobbsee
[03:43] <ajmitch> bddebian: you can if you want :)
[03:44] <ajmitch> I couldn't bear to take that karma away from you
[03:44] <bddebian> D00d, you are the one that found out that it was fixed
[03:44] <ajmitch> no, I just checked the file listed
[03:45] <ajmitch> ask wasabi if you see him to check if it's really fixed
[03:45] <bmonty> Malone #41523, I think this package should be morgued, does anyone think otherwise
[03:45] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 41523 in realplayer "[UNMETDEPS]  realplayer has unmet dependencies" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/41523
[03:45] <wasabi> hi
[03:45] <bddebian> ajmitch: There's wasabi now :-)
[03:45] <ajmitch> bmonty: s/morgued/removed/
[03:45] <ajmitch> wasabi: bug 26682
[03:45] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 26682 in evms "EVMS does not work with MD" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/26682
[03:46] <wasabi> Yeah that ones fixed.
[03:46] <ajmitch> thanks
[03:46] <wasabi> Checking if the OTHER one is fixed. ;)
[03:46] <bmonty> ajmitch: whatever...I think it is a useless package
[03:46] <bmonty> should I subscribe the archive admin team to the bug so they can remove it?
[03:46] <bddebian> wasabi: Can you close that please?
[03:47] <ajmitch> might as well
[03:47] <ajmitch> bddebian: too late
[03:47] <lifeless> bmonty: wtf does 'be morgued' mean ?
[03:47] <bddebian> ajmitch: Ah, good man :-)
[03:47] <bddebian> lifeless: Removed from the archive
[03:47] <ajmitch> lifeless: it means that a package is removed, a common misuse of the word
[03:47] <bddebian> bmonty: I agree :-)
[03:47] <bmonty> ajmitch: morgued != removed ?
[03:47] <ajmitch> bmonty: nope
[03:48] <bmonty> what is the difference?
[03:48] <ajmitch> kamion can explain :)
[03:48] <lifeless> bmonty: a package-version that is not published is in the morgue
[03:48] <ajmitch> the morgue is a place where old packages go
[03:48] <wasabi> Bah I don't even know how to close bugs in this thing.,
[03:48] <lifeless> bmonty: it does not mean that the package is no longer in the distro
[03:48] <ajmitch> wasabi: it's horribly non-obvious
[03:49] <ajmitch> you have to click on the link evms (Ubuntu)
[03:49] <bddebian> wasabi: Click the package name hyperlink
[03:49] <wasabi> Ahh.
[03:49] <wasabi> Makes sense, actually, just not obvious. ;0
[03:49] <bddebian> bmonty: I thought morgued == removed too..
[03:49] <bmonty> lifeless: makes sense, thanks
[03:49] <bmonty> gotta make sure I use the right terminology :)
[03:50] <wasabi> Haha. Still don't see a close button in here.
[03:50] <wasabi> fix commited maybe?
[03:50] <ajmitch> wasabi: set the status to fix released
[03:50] <wasabi> Already set.
[03:50] <bddebian> wasabi: fix released
[03:50] <ajmitch> right, that's because I closed 26682 :)
[03:50] <bddebian> karma thief ;-P
[03:50] <ajmitch> bddebian: yes, I am, I'm a bad bad person
[03:51] <ajmitch> welcome back, Hobbsee :)
[03:51] <bddebian> ajmitch: Bah, we love you
[03:51] <bddebian> wb Hobbsee
[03:51] <Hobbsee> hi ajmitch
[03:51] <ajmitch> no you don't :P
[03:52] <Hobbsee> hi bddebian
[03:52] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: you dont want to be loved?   :P
[03:52] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: I do, of course
[03:52] <Hobbsee> oh, misread it
[03:55] <ajmitch> :)
[03:56] <ajmitch> bddebian: there are 10171 bugs open. that's more than last week
[04:00] <bddebian> ajmitch: I know
[04:00] <bddebian> :-(
[04:00] <bddebian> Some of these bugs are just crazy though...
[04:02] <ajmitch> like bug 37247?
[04:02] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 37247 in asterisk "asterisk deb + files in /var/run" [Normal,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/37247
[04:02] <ajmitch> more imake magic
[04:02] <ajmitch> oops
[04:02] <ajmitch> bug 37427
[04:02] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 37427 in mxv "FTBFS: missing headers or build-dependencies" [Major,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/37427
[04:02] <bddebian> ajmitch: No, like: Bug #27525
[04:02] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 27525 in rrdtool "php4-rrdtool: Use of RRD extensions (graph only?) causes Apache to segfault" [Unknown,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/27525
[04:02] <ajmitch> exciting
[04:03] <bddebian> Oh, You need to read it :-)
[04:03] <bddebian> Do we expect every xorg/hardware combo to work out of the box without any user intervention?
[04:03] <ajmitch> no idea
[04:04] <bddebian> Bug #28898
[04:04] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 28898 in xserver-xorg-driver-ati "IBM A21p display is corrupted" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/28898
[04:05] <ajmitch> you have a thing for X bugs today?
[04:10] <bddebian> I'm just trying to help, sheesh
[04:11] <ajmitch> I know, I'm just wondering why you're targetting X :)
[04:13] <zul> night
[04:15] <bddebian> ajmitch: I'm just going in order :-)
[04:17] <bddebian> Damn, I need a PPC and an amd64 :-)
[04:17] <ajmitch> the ppc downstairs gets used for OSX too often
[04:22] <jamessan> Seveas: is your updated Bugzilla plugin for Supybot available somewhere?
[04:23] <bddebian> I think this should be rejected?  Bug #29326
[04:23] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 29326 in sudo "User removed from /etc/sudoers after update to Dapper" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/29326
[04:25] <bddebian> Hi imbrandon, imbarry ;-P
[04:26] <imbrandon> hello
[04:26] <imbrandon> ;)
[04:29] <bmonty> bddebian: if it is true that nothing modifies sudoers, I think that bug should be rejected
[04:31] <bddebian> Well I would think Matt Z would know :-)  Though I don't know why he didn't reject it?
[04:32] <lifeless> is sudoers a config file
[04:32] <lifeless> if it is, it could be replaced
[04:32] <bmonty> maybe ask the submitter to verify what Matt Z asked for, and if no response reject it
[04:32] <bmonty> lifeless: yes, sudoers is the config file for sudo
[04:33] <lifeless> bmonty: I know that. 'config file' in this context is the dpkg term
[04:34] <lifeless> meaning its owned by the package, and can conflict if locally edited etc
[04:34] <bmonty> lifeless: ahh...good question, I don't know
[04:40] <bmonty> ajmitch: malone #41521, the package creates a python2.3-rpy that needs python2.3-numeric which is no longer in the archive, should I modify the package to only make the python2.4-rpy package?
[04:40] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 41521 in rpy "[UNMETDEPS]  rpy has unmet dependencies" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/41521
[04:40] <bddebian> Do we care that guile won't configure in Mingw32??
[04:41] <bddebian> bmonty: I think I looked at that one :-)
[04:42] <ajmitch> bmonty: if you wish
[04:45] <bddebian> Gah, I am tempted to reject any bugs with over 50 lines pasted directly in the message, just on principle :-(
[04:46] <ajmitch> bddebian: sounds good to me
[04:47] <bddebian> ajmitch: Do we care that guile won't configure in Mingw32?
[04:47] <ajmitch> not particularly
[04:47] <ajmitch> what bug is that?
[04:50] <ajmitch> never mind, I found it
[04:50] <ajmitch> honestly, filing a serious bug because he can't cross-compile it?
[04:50] <ajmitch> welcome back Hobbsee_
[04:50] <bmonty> bug number?
[04:51] <ajmitch> bug 29742
[04:51] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 29742 in guile-1.6 "guile fails to configure within the MinGW environment" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/29742
[04:51] <Hobbsee> hi ajmitch
[04:51] <Hobbsee> hmmm...looks like i need to ghost...
[04:51] <LaserJock> wb Hobbsee
[04:51] <Hobbsee> hey LaserJock :)
[04:55] <bddebian> ajmitch: You gonna reject it? :-)
[04:56] <bddebian> WTF is a PATA disk?
[04:56] <bddebian> Parallel ATA?
[04:56] <Hobbsee> your yakuake package is great for instruction :P
[04:56] <bddebian> ?
[04:57] <Hobbsee> the dh_iconcache thing
[04:57] <bddebian> Ah :-)
[04:58] <LaserJock> bddebian: hmm, I initially though you said a PITA disk :-)
[04:58] <bddebian> heh
[04:58] <bddebian> Might be :-)
[05:01] <Hobbsee> arent all disks like that?
[05:01] <bddebian> Pretty much
[05:01] <LaserJock> that is what I was thinking
[05:02] <ajmitch> heh :)
[05:02] <LaserJock> I wiped my drive and installed Dapper beta
[05:02] <LaserJock> and today I installed pbuilders and chroots for sarge, sid, dapper, breezy
[05:02] <Hobbsee> ooh fun!
[05:12] <bddebian> Install doesn't use parted does it?
[05:13] <bmonty> good night everyone
[05:14] <bddebian> Gnight bmonty
[05:18] <LaserJock> bddebian: what do you mean? d-i or ubiquity?
[05:19] <Hobbsee> bddebian: got rid of one of those dhicon changes packages...
[05:20] <bddebian> Hobbsee: Nice
[05:22] <bddebian> LaserJock: Dunno, submitter doesn't specify.  It's pretty vague actually:  Bug #32778
[05:22] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 32778 in parted "ext2 not formatted correctly" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/32778
[05:31] <ajmitch_> bddebian: but you are
[05:35] <bddebian> Yeah right
[05:37] <bddebian> Damn I'm glad I don't use synaptic.  Ugh
[05:38] <ajmitch> how so?
[05:38] <LaserJock> oh, I really like synaptic
[05:39] <bddebian> Too much information.  I like my old "apt-get" :-)
[05:39] <LaserJock> I'm trying to learn aptitude, but it usually ends up confusing me too much
[06:19] <Hobbsee> seeing as they're kde ones, and all..probably worth doing...
[06:36] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: i think you killed the chat...
[06:38] <ajmitch> we can revive it
[06:40] <bddebian> heh
[06:40] <LaserJock> it was me?
[06:40] <ajmitch> yes
[06:41] <ajmitch> now you're just scaring everyone
[06:42] <Hobbsee> hehe!
[06:42] <ajmitch> heh
[06:42] <bddebian> hehe
[06:42] <ajmitch> no, I'm not about to sing
[06:43] <Hobbsee> no, you'd have to be okay singing...but LaserJock...
[06:45] <Hobbsee> heh..dream  on...
[06:45] <ajmitch> we'll make an exception :)
[06:45] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: you can't be one until you sing the MOTU song ;-)
[06:45] <ajmitch> haha
[06:46] <Hobbsee> haha....just watch me
[06:46] <LaserJock> oooohhh, touche
[06:46] <Hobbsee> oh second thoughts, *dont* watch me - it's unnerving, being stared at :P
[06:49] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: you want to stare at my computer screen?  you wont see much...IRC, msn chat, couple of terminal windows, firefox
[06:51] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: hmm, your right. not terribly exciting
[06:51] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:52] <ajmitch> you need to spice it up a bit
[06:52] <Hobbsee> er...how?
[06:54] <ajmitch> XGl. shiny stuff
[06:54] <ajmitch> gnome ;)
[06:54] <Hobbsee> eww!  no!
[06:55] <Seveas> jamessan, ping
[09:41] <dholbach> good morning MOTU world!
[09:41] <ajmitch> morning daniel
[09:42] <dholbach> hey Andrew
[09:46] <Hobbsee> hehe
[09:47] <Hobbsee> hehe
[09:51] <dholbach> hey antinobody
[09:51] <dholbach> everybody welcome antinobody
[09:51] <dholbach> he wants to get involved in the MOTU team
[09:51] <imbrandon> welcome ;)
[09:51] <dholbach> it'd be nice if somebody could introduce him to do some easy stuff, like rebuilding packages for the UNMETDEPS run or something
[09:51] <dholbach> something to sink his teeth in and get started
[09:52] <imbrandon> lol
[09:52] <Hobbsee> hehe...so could i...
[09:52] <Hobbsee> check out those dh_icon changes...tehy're not too bad...
[09:52] <Hobbsee> done 9 of them today :D
[09:52] <antinobody> Oh hi
[09:52] <dholbach> Hobbsee: nice work
[09:52] <Hobbsee> tuxmaniac: yeah, exactly
[09:52] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: get to it, hehe :P
[09:53] <ajmitch> yes ma'am
[09:53] <Hobbsee> oh, i know why you're doing this...
[09:53] <dholbach> somebody could tell antinobody how to the dh_iconcache thing for one package - to simply start off
[09:53] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: you're just delaying so i'll get frustrated, and so go for motu myself?  :P
[09:53] <dholbach> that'd be nice
[09:53] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: me? never..
[09:53] <Hobbsee> ;P
[09:53] <antinobody> that would help indeed
[09:54] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: besides, I've still got to do a nice, strict package review for you :)
[09:54] <Hobbsee> antinobody: http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html <-- packaging guide, very useful, worth bookmarking :)
[09:54] <Hobbsee> heh...that sounds scary...
[09:54] <ajmitch> it's not, you know that
[09:54] <dholbach> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DhIconCacheChanges has a list of packages that need to be modified
[09:55] <dholbach> antinobody: ^ just grab one of the universe/multiverse ones and start off :)
[09:55] <dholbach> with   apt-get source <package>    you can grab the source
[09:55] <dholbach> and have a look at the debian/ dir
[09:57] <antinobody> I'll give it a shot
[09:57] <antinobody> no promises though, such things scare me
[09:57] <dholbach> they shouldn't
[09:57] <dholbach> the debian/ directory is "the packaging"
[09:57] <imbrandon> you'll get it in time, i'm still learing a bit
[09:58] <dholbach> you will see that it mostly has a structure you can understand :)
[10:00] <dholbach> antinobody: Hobbsee and ajmitch are our dh_iconcache experts, they can surely help you
[10:00] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: said he hadnt done one, i thought...
[10:00] <Hobbsee> although i guess he's seen mine...
[10:01] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, i'll do the 2 j2re if you like/wasent planning on doing them right away
[10:01] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: that's cool, i'll continue working down from where i was...
[10:01] <imbrandon> kk
[10:01] <ajmitch> dholbach: you mean Hobbsee is
[10:02] <Hobbsee> it goes start hobbsee, hobbsee, more hobbsee, hobbsee, end hobbsee :P
[10:02] <imbrandon> lol
[10:02] <ajmitch> see how busy she's been today?
[10:03] <Hobbsee> i shoulda started in that darned meeting this morning...
[10:03] <Hobbsee> woulda been a better use of time :P
[10:03] <ajmitch> would have kept you awake :)
[10:03] <Hobbsee> oh i stayed awake for the whole time...
[10:03] <ajmitch> by some miracle
[10:03] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: do you need me to keep my sources for that stuff, or the debdiffs are fine, and i dont have to touch them again?
[10:04] <ajmitch> debdiffs are fine
[10:04] <Hobbsee> my ~/devel/iconcache folder is getting rather full hehe
[10:04] <ajmitch> :)
[10:05] <imbrandon> gnome.mk is the only thing that needs to be changed about the debain rules on these ?
[10:06] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: no, dh_iconcache is
[10:06] <imbrandon> ok
[10:10] <dholbach> imbrandon: you have debian/rules with gnome.mk?
[10:11] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: http://pastebin.com/686542 is the debdiff (which is now uploaded)
[10:11] <imbrandon> k thanks
[10:12] <Hobbsee> and i had a look at dholbach's yakuake to figure otu that much :P
[10:12] <imbrandon> hehe
[10:12] <dholbach> imbrandon: does the debian/rules you look at use gnome.mk?
[10:13] <imbrandon> no i was looking st the list email
[10:13] <dholbach> ok
[10:13] <dholbach> if a package uses gnome.mk or xfce.mk, it just needs a rebuild
[10:13] <imbrandon> kk
[10:13] <dholbach> because those cdbs script take care of it
[10:14] <ajmitch> a shame the kde.mk wasn't changed
[10:14] <antinobody> at the rate Hobbsee's nabbing these, I'm probably best off starting at the bottom...
[10:15] <ajmitch> heh
[10:15] <ajmitch> she'll probably finish those in a few minutes as well :)
[10:15] <dholbach>  antinobody: please don't hesitate to ask
[10:15] <Hobbsee> hehe
[10:16] <Hobbsee> antinobody: no...i do actually have to build them....and that tends to take a while...
[10:16] <antinobody> I know, I know, it was a joke
[10:16] <antinobody> Still, I'm thinking of starting a ways down the list anyway
[10:16] <antinobody> You could have magical powers and all
[10:18] <Hobbsee> haha
[10:18] <Hobbsee> antinobody: start at the bottom of the k's, adn go up, if you like
[10:18] <Hobbsee> there are still an *awful* lot of k's there
[10:21] <antinobody> I'm on okle...that's technically a k, sort of
[10:21] <antinobody> same idea
[10:22] <dholbach> antinobody: the idea is to modify   debian/rules
[10:22] <dholbach> antinobody: which is sort of the "Makefile" of a package
[10:23] <dholbach> it has all the instructions of what to do to go from source to a package
[10:23] <dholbach> in this series of changes   dh_iconcache   is added to it
[10:24] <dholbach> in the right place... :-)
[10:24] <dholbach> but Hobbsee and ajmitch can tell :)
[10:24] <Hobbsee> hmmm?
[10:25] <ajmitch> and me?
[10:25] <ajmitch> what have I done now?
[10:25] <Hobbsee> still here?
[10:25] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: no
[10:25] <Hobbsee> right, excellent.
[10:27] <Hobbsee> thought my system was going to freeze
[10:33] <Hobbsee> antinobody: you never realise quite how slow your machine is when you do this :P
[10:38] <antinobody> Hey my names sean too!
[10:39] <Hobbsee> :)
[10:39] <sean> I did?
[10:39] <sean> Oh, wait...that explains so many things at once
[10:39] <sean> At least I know why I have the same name as me
[10:40] <Hobbsee> hi raphink
[10:40] <ajmitch> hello raphink
[10:40] <Hobbsee> raphink: sleep well?
[10:41] <Gloubiboulga> salut raphink
[10:41] <raphink> hi ajmitch && Hobbsee
[10:41] <raphink> slept quite weel thanks
[10:42] <imbrandon> lol
[10:42] <imbrandon> now do i dput these ?
[10:42] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: you dont, you use a debdiff...
[10:42] <Hobbsee> debdiff *.dsc > foo.dsc
[10:42] <raphink> salut Gloubiboulga
[10:42] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: then email it to one of the lovely motus, and try to poke and prod them into uploading it for you :P
[10:43] <imbrandon> ummm *looks confused at this point* ... ok , and i am supose to be building this with debuild -S -sa ?
[10:43] <imbrandon> ahhh ok
[10:43] <raphink> Hobbsee: I wouldn't recommend doing since, less you might get confused with names
[10:43] <raphink> using .debdiff is recommended ;)
[10:43] <imbrandon> ;)
[10:43] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: i was told, use debdiffs :P
[10:43] <Hobbsee> hehe...well, yeah..not foo
[10:43] <imbrandon> kk np
[10:43] <Hobbsee> in our computing class a while ago, someone went and asked what foobar was :P
[10:44] <StevenK> Hobbsee: FTP Operation Over Big Address Records (RFC 1639)
[10:44] <Hobbsee> haha
[10:44] <ajmitch> hello StevenK
[10:44] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: you're just encouraging him :P
[10:45] <Hobbsee> hmm...that's probably true
[10:45] <StevenK> Heh heh
[10:45] <StevenK> I don't encouraging.
[10:45] <StevenK> Er, need
[10:46] <Hobbsee> heh
[10:47] <StevenK> If I didn't need to pick my wife up, I'd go take a nap. :-/
[10:47] <Hobbsee> StevenK: caffeine fixes all
[10:48] <StevenK> I've had 1L of coke today already.
[10:48] <ajmitch> already?
[10:48] <ajmitch> that's barely a start
[10:49] <ajmitch> hey now
[10:49] <StevenK> You have: lead
[10:49] <StevenK> You want: gold * 1.0519553
[10:54] <antinobody> I should probably figure out where dh_iconcache goes...
[10:54] <Hobbsee> hi Seveas
[10:55] <Seveas> hiya
[11:00] <antinobody> Hobbsee:  I bet if I knew what you were doing, I'd feel bad for you
[11:01] <Hobbsee> antinobody: i was running out of space - i had 400MB left, earlier today :P
[11:02] <Hobbsee> oh crud...this will take a while...
[11:02] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, ok now whom do i mail this diff too ;) lol
[11:02] <Hobbsee> er, not me..
[11:03] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: any of the motu's...the ones who are awake are useful
[11:03] <antinobody> Hobbsee:  I remember not feeling ignorant at one point
[11:03] <ajmitch> or attach it to a bugreport on malone, assign it to motureviewers
[11:03] <dholbach> imbrandon: Gloubiboulga, StevenK, ajmitch and I seem awake :)
[11:03] <Hobbsee> hehe
[11:04] <ajmitch> dholbach: I'm on the edge ;)
[11:04] <ajmitch> ouch
[11:04] <Hobbsee> have the other 8 got uploaded yet?  :P
[11:04] <ajmitch> no, I haven't checked them all :P
[11:04] <Hobbsee> poor.
[11:04] <imbrandon> k give me a few more min i'll get both these diffs done before i try to mail them
[11:04] <ajmitch> I know..
[11:05] <StevenK> steven@liquified:~% mount | grep -c pbuilder
[11:05] <StevenK> 14
[11:05] <StevenK> Hrrrrm
[11:05] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: probably worht emailing one of them to a motu and checking if it's right...then just do a whole lot, and email a whole bunch of them to a motu :P
[11:08] <imbrandon> heh true
[11:09] <imbrandon> dholbach, wanna slip me your email ?
[11:09] <dholbach> imbrandon: fire away
[11:09] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: dholback@ubuntu.com most likely...
[11:09] <imbrandon> k
[11:09] <dholbach> dholbach@ubuntu.com
[11:09] <dholbach> :)
[11:09] <dholbach> sorry for being pedantic :)
[11:09] <imbrandon> ;)
[11:10] <Hobbsee> oh darn.
[11:11] <Hobbsee> StevenK: which one is that?
[11:11] <StevenK> Ah, no Ubugtu
[11:11] <StevenK> Bug #6424:
[11:11] <StevenK> Getmail is not quiet when using Spamassassin
[11:11] <Hobbsee> Seveas: who ran away with ubugtu?
[11:12] <Hobbsee> dholbach: does someone need a key to do dev work?
[11:12] <imbrandon> sent dholbach
[11:13] <imbrandon> key ? like gpgkey ?
[11:13] <imbrandon> everyone should have one anyhow ;)
[11:13] <ajmitch> you need a key to upload anything
[11:14] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: yes
[11:14] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: antinobody does not have a gpg key...
[11:14] <ajmitch> antinobody should generate a gpg key then :)
[11:14] <imbrandon> he can make one
[11:15] <imbrandon> it dosent have to be a "SIGNED" key ;)
[11:15] <Hobbsee> true
[11:15] <dholbach> other way: if you want to get stuff uploaded to universe/multiverse: you can file a bug and assign to motureviewers
[11:15] <dholbach> that works too
[11:16] <Hobbsee> ah ok, so you an
[11:16] <dholbach> oh yeah... well: as ajmitch said, then
[11:16] <ajmitch> heh
[11:17] <imbrandon> did that look correct dholbach
[11:17] <imbrandon> this would be my first one to along with antinobody lol
[11:18] <imbrandon> i've built packages etc etcetc just not for motu
[11:18] <imbrandon> l8tr Hobbsee
[11:18] <dholbach> imbrandon: not arrived yet
[11:18] <dholbach> Hobbsee: bon apptit
[11:18] <Hobbsee> fortunately, this will build while i'm away :D
[11:19] <imbrandon> ouch actualy it just got kicked back
[11:19] <Hobbsee_away> imbrandon: i'm still waiting on mine to be signed....
[11:20] <dholbach> Hobbsee_away: where do you live again?
[11:20] <imbrandon> yea i have been lazy also and havent gotten mine signed either lol
[11:21] <imbrandon> ok dholbach sent to the correct email addy this time
[11:21] <Hobbsee_away> dholbach: sydney
[11:21] <dholbach> Hobbsee_away: should be easy, no?
[11:21] <Hobbsee_away> dholbach: should be
[11:21] <Hobbsee_away> just havent quite gotten around to it.   besides, ajmitch is visiting, and is going to sign it :)
[11:21] <dholbach> imbrandon: hum
[11:21] <dholbach> imbrandon: it just contains "java diff"?
[11:21] <dholbach> imbrandon: missing attachment?
[11:22] <Hobbsee_away> hehe
[11:22] <imbrandon> oh jez, when i resent i dident attach , sorry one sec
[11:22] <imbrandon> lol
[11:23] <imbrandon> *shuffles back into the corner*
[11:31] <imbrandon> hehe i did the same thing the first time and figured i should do it on a 686
[11:31] <imbrandon> so i redid it just to make sure it wouldent make a diff
[11:36] <dholbach> imbrandon: uploaded
[11:36] <imbrandon> cool
[11:37] <imbrandon> k now onto the next few
[11:38] <imbrandon> qemu-system-x86_64 is SLOW on 32bit proc
[11:38] <imbrandon> heh
[11:45] <antinobody> Wow, I should follow this chat better
[11:45] <antinobody> I have a vague idea what a gpg is, no idea how to generate one
[11:46] <imbrandon> one sec i'll grab you the wikki for it , its pretty simple
[11:46] <antinobody> gracas
[11:47] <imbrandon> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GnuPrivacyGuardHowto?action=show&redirect=GPGKey
[11:48] <imbrandon> to build the debs you only need to get to the part about uploading to the key server but its a good idea to get it signed someday
[11:50] <antinobody> ok, appreciate it
[11:54] <zakame> hi all
[11:54] <zakame>  all hi
[11:54] <ajmitch> hey zakame
[11:54] <Gloubiboulga> hi zakame
[11:54] <imbrandon> heya
[11:56] <antinobody> hey
[11:57] <zakame> hello ajmitch Gloubiboulga imbrandon antinobody
[12:05] <dholbach> hey zakame
[12:05] <zakame> hello dholbach ! :D
[12:12] <dholbach> imbrandon: you tried to get this into breezy?
[12:13] <imbrandon> um no
[12:13] <imbrandon> dident think so
[12:13] <imbrandon> ohhh the changelog still sais breezy probbly
[12:14] <dholbach> yeah
[12:14] <dholbach> it does :)
[12:14] <imbrandon> grr
[12:14] <dholbach> and it's dh_iconcache, not dh_cache
[12:14] <dholbach> sorry for being pedantic
[12:14] <dholbach> i changed and reuploaded
[12:14] <imbrandon> no problem at all
[12:14] <dholbach> ok, cool
[12:14] <tseng> dholbach: you are german, you cant help it
[12:14] <imbrandon> i should have checked better
[12:14] <dholbach> tseng: I know - I'll try to do better.
[12:14] <imbrandon> heh
[12:14] <tseng> guten morgen
[12:14] <dholbach> tseng: I might go to Greece - how does that sound?
[12:15] <tseng> dholbach: that sounds wonderful
[12:15] <dholbach> it's just a crazy idea, but I'd love to
[12:15] <tseng> dholbach: but i still need to find money to go to catalonia
[12:16] <dholbach> tseng: Ok, until then I'll try to win the lottery twice a week and give you the money, if I make it. Ok?
[12:16] <tseng> ok
[12:16] <dholbach> Cool - I'll give you weekly reports.
[12:16] <tseng> i will have plenty of money in a few weeks after i pay off my new sofa
[12:16] <tseng> and pay my bills, get the next paycheck
[12:17] <tseng> but prices will probably go up by then
[12:17] <dholbach> I saw such a nice one, but I'm sure my dog and I would mess it up in just a week
[12:17] <dholbach> I'd spill a glass of red wine and my dog would make scratches in it
[12:21] <antinobody> Isn't that why you buy a new couch?  It's boring using the same ruined coach over and over again.
[12:21] <antinobody> Eventually you have to break a new one
[12:24] <tseng> i bought one because i moved and didnt own one
[12:24] <dholbach> I don't have one either
[12:24] <antinobody> I've never actually bought a couch, I just get the ones other people think are too ugly.
[12:24] <dholbach> atm
[12:24] <antinobody> But I imagine that would be why I'd get a new one
[12:32] <Gloubiboulga> welcome back Hobbsee
[12:32] <Hobbsee> :)
[12:32] <ajmitch> wb :)
[12:32] <Hobbsee> packages finished building :)
[12:36] <imbrandon> wb
[12:38] <Hobbsee> ty :)
[12:41] <Hobbsee> dholbach: ping?
[12:41] <dholbach> Hobbsee: pong
[12:41] <Hobbsee> dholbach: with this iconcache thing, what happens when the package, kdeaccessibility, builds multiple binaries?
[12:41] <Hobbsee> how do you check if the thing actually worked?
[12:42] <Hobbsee> i've been checkign the postinst files, which usually shows it...but i cant see where it should be here..
[12:42] <dholbach> doesn't show up?
[12:43] <dholbach> foreach my $package (@{$dh{DOPACKAGES}}) {
[12:43] <dholbach>         my $tmp=tmpdir($package);
[12:43] <dholbach> that should take care of it
[12:43] <Hobbsee> there's other stuff in the individual binarys postisnt files, but not the iconcache stuff, that i can see...
[12:43] <dholbach> gtk-update-icon-cache?
[12:44] <zakame> Hobbsee: it should be in the package where the icons are
[12:44] <dholbach> Hobbsee: can you show me your diff for debian/rules?
[12:45] <zakame> bbl
[12:45] <Hobbsee> dholbach: http://pastebin.com/686764
[12:45] <Hobbsee> is the rules file
[12:45] <Hobbsee> only difference is the bit at the end...
[12:46] <dholbach> yeah
[12:46] <dholbach> oh?
[12:46] <Hobbsee> i'm not sure if it's in the right place, or what
[12:47] <dholbach> hum
[12:47] <ajmitch> or if someone's been telling you lies all this time :)
[12:47] <Hobbsee> that's possible...in which case, there will be punishment :P
[12:47] <ajmitch> uh oh
[12:48] <Hobbsee> :P
[12:48] <antinobody> Anyone want to help me place dh_iconcache in debian/rules for okle?
[12:49] <antinobody> You know it sounds like fun
[12:49] <dholbach> antinobody: can you put the rules file online somewhere?
[12:49] <dholbach> maybe paste it to pastebin.com too?
[12:49] <antinobody> http://pastebin.com/686755
[12:50] <antinobody> Done and not unfinished-like
[12:51] <dholbach> Hobbsee: if you're not afraid to view a *HUGE* site: http://tinyurl.com/f89c6 - it contains all the packages installing stuff to /usr/share/icons
[12:51] <dholbach> Hobbsee: and it should be some of these binary packages: kmouth, kbstate, kttsd-contrib-plugins, kmousetool, kdeaccessibility, kde-icons-mono, ksayit, kdeaccessibility-doc-html, kttsd, kmag
[12:51] <dholbach> Hobbsee: kde-icons-mono looks like a good start
[12:52] <dholbach> Hobbsee: the others might ship stuff too
[12:52] <Hobbsee> er...
[12:52] <dholbach> yeha :)
[12:52] <dholbach> you have the packages or the built tree still flying around?
[12:52] <Hobbsee> of kdeaccessibility?  yes
[12:53] <Hobbsee> both
[12:53] <Hobbsee> i left them building over dinner
[12:53] <dholbach> nice
[12:53] <dholbach> for the debs you can do this
[12:54] <dholbach> for i in *.deb; do dpkg -c $i | grep usr/share/icons; done
[12:54] <dholbach> or something
[12:55] <Hobbsee> so...what are you trying to tell me?
[12:55] <Hobbsee> i'm not understanding...
[12:55] <ajmitch> getting a list of packages that put files in /usr/share/icons
[12:55] <ajmitch> it'd be dpkg-deb, rather than dpkg
[12:55] <Hobbsee> yes, but why do i want a list of them?
[12:56] <antinobody> Hobbsee:  Dude, don't even.  You might be beating with the whole "time-zone" thing, but I'm whipping you in the feeling stupid category.
[12:56] <ajmitch> probably to pass the package names as arguments to dh_iconcache
[12:56] <Hobbsee> antinobody: hehe
[12:56] <Hobbsee> dont feel stupid...took me ages to figure out what the heck needed fixing to start doing this too...
[12:57] <antinobody> Honestly, my feeling stupid here is more of an outlet for feeling stupid in a larger context
[12:57] <antinobody> But that is not to be worried about
[12:59] <Hobbsee> dholbach: i dont really understand how that helps, or what you're trying to tell me.  is this my packaging error, or i'm looking in the wrong place for the postinst file, or what?
[01:00] <dholbach> ok
[01:00] <dholbach> the   install/kdeaccessibility::   thing in debian/rules says:
[01:00] <Hobbsee> the bit i added, yeah
[01:01] <dholbach> for the kdeaccessibility binary package (which is one of the many binary packages), run dh_iconcache in the install target please
[01:01] <Hobbsee> right...yes...
[01:01] <dholbach> the problem is: you need to know which of these binary packages ship the icons
[01:01] <Hobbsee> and the install target is...where?
[01:01] <Hobbsee> or dont we care?
[01:01] <dholbach> after stuff is built
[01:01] <dholbach> install is fine
[01:01] <dholbach> it's just that there are 10-15 binary packages
[01:01] <Hobbsee> ah right....
[01:01] <Hobbsee> yep
[01:01] <dholbach> and you run dh_iconcache for one of them
[01:02] <dholbach> (which might not ship icons at all)
[01:02] <dholbach> but that's fine... you just need to check on the others
[01:02] <dholbach> or run   install::   dh_iconcache
[01:02] <dholbach> then it's run for the whole lot of them
[01:02] <Hobbsee> ooh goody...
[01:02] <Hobbsee> that applies to all multiple binary packages?
[01:03] <dholbach> yeppa
[01:03] <Hobbsee> is the install:: dh_iconcache syntax "install/packagename:: dh_iconcache", or dont you need the packagename in there?
[01:03] <Hobbsee> also, that replaces the bit that i added in?
[01:04] <dholbach> yeah, replace it
:   means   apply for all binary packages
:   means   apply for this binary package only
:
[01:05] <Hobbsee> a ha!
[01:05] <Hobbsee> thankyou :D
[01:05] <dholbach> i meant
[01:05] <dholbach> yeah!
[01:05] <dholbach> de rien :)
[01:05] <Hobbsee> whatever that is
[01:05] <dholbach> "anytime" or something :)
[01:05] <Hobbsee> ah :)
[01:05] <antinobody> I can't help you, I only speak English and Spanish
[01:06] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:06] <Hobbsee> dholbach: enters and spaces matter in makefiles?
[01:07] <dholbach> yes
[01:07] <antinobody> Umm, not to be a pain, but does anyone happen to know where I'm supposed to put dh_iconcache in okle?
[01:07] <antinobody> http://pastebin.com/686755
[01:07] <antinobody> being my debian/rules file
[01:09] <ajmitch> antinobody: I'd put it after dh_installmenu, or in a similar location
[01:09] <ajmitch> though it shouldn't matter too much
[01:10] <antinobody> Ok, thank you, that answers my question
[01:10] <dholbach> antinobody: thanks for working on it
[01:10] <antinobody> Wow, it turns out I get really polite when I stay up until 4 in the morning...
[01:10] <dholbach> antinobody: dh_iconcache looks at the icons that are to be installed, so need to add it somewhere, where the build and everything else has happened already
[01:10] <ajmitch> heh
[01:10] <tseng> antinobody: it works for ajmitch too
[01:11] <tseng> ajmitch: you should see him on a full nights rest
[01:11] <ajmitch> tseng: I'm not polite
[01:11] <tseng> er
[01:11] <tseng> s'why its funny
[01:11] <tseng>  < ugner> tseng: you are not pleasant to talk to
[01:11] <Hobbsee> heh
[01:16] <ajmitch> evening Yagisan
[01:17] <Hobbsee> hi Yagisan
[01:17] <Yagisan> G'day ajmitch, Hobbsee
[01:19] <antinobody> Ok, dh_iconcache is added to debian/rules and the debian/changelog is update (to the best of my knowledge and understanding), what is left to do?
[01:19] <dholbach> run    debuild -S
[01:19] <antinobody> hiya yagisan
[01:19] <dholbach> or wait
[01:20] <dholbach> you can just do a       diff -ruN orig/ changed/
[01:20] <dholbach> and paste the patch somewhere
[01:20] <dholbach> the diff it displays
[01:20] <dholbach> and somebody can upload that :)
[01:21] <antinobody> it says there are niether directory
[01:22] <herzi> dholbach: i'm just committing the evolution-maximized patch to HEAD and gnome-2-14
[01:22] <dholbach> herzi: i noticed
[01:22] <dholbach> antinobody: then run         debuild -S
[01:23] <dholbach> antinobody: and upload the .diff.gz and .dsc somewhere
[01:23] <dholbach> i'm getting some lunch
[01:23] <dholbach> antinobody: from then on, somebody else can assist you
[01:23] <antinobody> ok
[01:24] <antinobody> running debsign failed
[01:24] <Hobbsee> yeah, that's okay
[01:25] <Hobbsee> debsign isnt the same as building a deb...it's signing it
[01:25] <antinobody> Ok, how can I tell something didn't go wrong?
[01:27] <antinobody> I mean, I take it there should be a series of files .diff.gz .dsc .dsc.asc, etc, etc, which did spit out
[01:27] <antinobody> I take it that was the idea?
[01:27] <Hobbsee> yep
[01:28] <Hobbsee> antinobody: then type debdiff *.dsc > packagename.dsc
[01:28] <antinobody> ok
[01:28] <Hobbsee> that'll create a file called packagename.dsc, which you can then upload/sent to a MOTU
[01:29] <Hobbsee> oh, strike!
[01:30] <Hobbsee> that packagename.dsc SHOULD read packagename.debdiff
[01:30] <Hobbsee> someone want to hit me over the head for such a stupid error?  sheesh!
[01:30] <ajmitch> no, we all make mistakes :)
[01:32] <Yagisan> mistakes ? what's that ;)
[01:35] <antinobody> ha, I don't have patchutils
[01:36] <antinobody> ok
[01:36] <antinobody> Um, in packagename.debdiff, do I include build number?
[01:37] <Hobbsee> nope, it's just a name so that the MOTU (and you) recognise what it is
[01:39] <antinobody> Ok, I have a .debdiff file, where do I hand it over, and how?
[01:42] <Gloubiboulga> antinobody, send me your debdiff, I'll have a look: gauvainpocentek@gmail.com
[01:44] <antinobody> Ok
[01:45] <antinobody> It cannot be easy to menace over the internet
[01:45] <antinobody> Surely it takes refinement
[01:45] <Gloubiboulga> antinobody, you don't know Hobbsee yet ;)
[01:45] <Hobbsee> LOL!
[01:46] <antinobody> I know she doesn't speak Spanish
[01:47] <ajmitch> hehe :)
[01:47] <antinobody> I think she enjoys the ability to define in strict terms exactly what impression she's giving off
[01:47] <Hobbsee> those multiple binaries deserve to be hung, drawn, and quartered!
[01:48] <Hobbsee> :P
[01:48] <Gloubiboulga> antinobody, if you change something in the package, then you have to use a XubuntuY version
[01:48] <Gloubiboulga> in the changelog that os
[01:48] <Gloubiboulga> is*
[01:48] <dholbach> Hobbsee: haha, tell riddell :)
[01:49] <Hobbsee> hehe...guess we'd lose all of kde that way, wouldnt we?
[01:50] <antinobody> Ok
[01:50] <antinobody> Wait, for what?
[01:51] <dholbach> Hobbsee: it'd mean that the upstream kde guys had to split up their stuff
[01:51] <antinobody> oh, I see
[01:52] <Hobbsee> ah, that could be fun.  Tm_T would love that.
[01:53] <Hobbsee> which are they?  i'll be sure to break them
[01:53] <Yagisan> Hobbsee: please break k3b and konqueror for me then ;)
[01:53] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:53] <antinobody> Oh, nobody uses those
[01:57] <Gloubiboulga> antinobody, just seen that you've only "signed" with your first name...
[01:57] <antinobody> In changelog?
[01:57] <Gloubiboulga> yes
[01:58] <antinobody> Ha
[01:58] <antinobody> Well, that's fixed
[01:58] <Gloubiboulga> great :)
[01:58] <antinobody> Ok, so what do you mean by using XubuntuY
[01:58] <Gloubiboulga> in this case it should be 5ubuntu1
[01:59] <Gloubiboulga> 0.4+cvs20040728-5ubuntu1
[01:59] <Gloubiboulga> the -5 is the package version in debian
[01:59] <antinobody> I see, I see
[02:00] <Gloubiboulga> if the package only needs a rebuild in Ubuntu, it becomes 5buil1, or 5ubuntu1 if we need to hcnage something
[02:00] <antinobody> distinguishing and all of that
[02:00] <Gloubiboulga> yep
[02:05] <antinobody> ok, I've sent you what I hope is a fixed version
[02:05] <zul> heylo
[02:05] <Hobbsee> hi zul
[02:06] <zul> hey Hobbsee how is it going?
[02:06] <Hobbsee> okay, doing some of these dh_iconcache fixes :)
[02:06] <zul> ooh...fun
[02:06] <Hobbsee> the single binaries are fine, the multiple binaries are hell :P
[02:06] <Gloubiboulga> antinobody, you've sent me the entire debian/rules in the patch :)
[02:07] <antinobody> I have
[02:07] <antinobody> I'm learning, if I don't practice, I'll forget it in the morning...or, well, when I wake up anyway.
[02:07] <antinobody> That's my excuse
[02:08] <antinobody> In reality I have little idea what or how I sent you anything
[02:08] <Gloubiboulga> antinobody, no problem
[02:08] <antinobody> aighto
[02:09] <Gloubiboulga> antinobody, actually it's a backup debian/rules~ that you sent awith the patch
[02:09] <Gloubiboulga> I'll remove it, test and upload, is that ok with you?
[02:09] <antinobody> Won't hurt me any
[02:09] <antinobody> At some point, I may even know what I did
[02:10] <antinobody> As it is 5 in the morning, I should probably sleep.
[02:10] <Gloubiboulga> antinobody, read some doc on the wiki, I'm sure that'll make things more clear
[02:10] <Gloubiboulga> well, read the doc tomorrow then
[02:11] <antinobody> Indeed
[02:11] <antinobody> Well, today...but later.
[02:11] <antinobody> Sin embargo, buenas noches, todos.
[02:11] <Yagisan> Hobbsee: what is dh_iconcache ? (should I care about it for not-yet-in-ubuntu packages ?)
[02:11] <Hobbsee> Yagisan: see topic
[02:15] <Yagisan> Hobbsee: ok. I shove my icons into usr/share/pixmaps so it doesn't appear to affect me
[02:15] <Hobbsee> hehe okay
[02:17] <siretart> zul: I see that you uploaded mldonkey
[02:18] <siretart> zul: did you actually try some upgrade test? last time I tried it I got terrible isntallation problems
[02:20] <zul> siretart: yeah, i did. ill test it again though
[02:23] <siretart> zul: I'm asking because I spend hours of testing, fixind and stuff, but I kept on getting strange errors from the maintainer/configuration scripts, and therfore refrained from uploading
[02:24] <zul> im not able to start mldonkey-server because of /etc/default/mldonkey
[02:26] <siretart> zul: err, huh?
[02:26] <zul> Starting MLDonkey: mlnet configuration file prevent mlnet to be started (use force-start).
[02:27] <siretart> zul: in my package, I extended /e/d/mldonkey to include username and group in order to be able to create /var/run/mldonkey with correct owner and group
[02:27] <siretart> hm
[02:29] <siretart> zul: I'm happy to share my old mldonkey source package with you. perhaps you can merge some bits from that. interested?
[02:29] <zul> siretart: sure..
[02:29] <zul> send me an email to zulcss@gmail.com and ill look at it tonight when i get home
[02:33] <siretart> sent
[02:33] <zul> thanks
[02:33] <zul> now back to my wiki page..
[02:58] <No1Viking> I'm trying to install WebGUI CMS. Anyone got good instructions how to do it on dapper?
[03:08] <G0SUB> There is a weird font bug in Dapper now ...
[03:08] <G0SUB> I can't select any font other than Sans now
[03:08] <G0SUB> my desktop fonts suck now
[03:11] <ivoks> dapper is work in progress
[03:12] <G0SUB> ivoks: I am aware of that
[03:12] <G0SUB> ivoks: what I want to know is if this is a known bug and if there are any fixes
[03:14] <ivoks> search on launchpad
[03:14] <ivoks> or join #ubuntu-bugs
[03:15] <azeem> I would expect ubuntu bugs being about fixing bugs rather than discussing their existance
[03:15] <zul> azeem: its a little from column a a little from column b
[03:15] <azeem> I see
[03:16] <ivoks> after so many reports on xserver-xorg... :)
[03:18] <StevenK> Heh
[03:18] <ajmitch> do I feel lucky?
[03:18] <StevenK> Lately? No.
[03:18] <ajmitch> hah
[03:21] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:33] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: what?
[03:34] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: you'd love it if you could get a newer version of kopete in, wihtout needing to change all of kdenetwork :P
[03:34] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: sounds like sanity
[03:34] <Hobbsee> heh
[03:34] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: hehe
[03:35] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: well, we sort of have to, because 0.12 is NOT part of kdenetwork
[03:35] <Hobbsee> true
[03:35] <Tm_T> and 0.12 will be atleast dapper+1
[03:36] <Tm_T> agh, release in next week and I haven't done my fixes yet
[03:36] <Tm_T> oh well...
[03:39] <Riddell> kopete 0.12 is next week?
[03:49] <zakame> hello all
[04:17] <Yagisan> I'd like to ask for some advice. I have a package (N-Y-I-U). It makes a binary + a few supporting libs (internal use only). Some libs are under a non-dfsg license (non-commercial clause). How would I convert my .deb to make separate .debs for the engine, and for the internal libs. Is there a tutorial ?
[04:18] <Amaranth> Yagisan: probably best to look at another package
[04:18] <Amaranth> Yagisan: you have to use debian/files.* and debian/control
[04:19] <ajmitch> Yagisan: do you plan to distribute this?
[04:19] <Yagisan> ajmitch: yes
[04:19] <Yagisan> ajmitch: I'd like to send it back to revu
[04:19] <ajmitch> then you'll have to split the sources, rather than just the binaries :)
[04:20] <Yagisan> ajmitch: I see. I may need to bug you further on this then in future
[04:21] <Yagisan> Amaranth: thank you
[04:21] <Amaranth> GFDL?
[04:21] <ajmitch> no, an RFC
[04:21] <zakame> moo
[04:23] <Yagisan> ajmitch: um, some of those internal libs need common headers. duplicate them in the source tarballs ?
[04:23] <ajmitch> it's an evil & nasty way of doing it
[04:23] <ajmitch> but yes, probably
[04:23] <ajmitch> depends on the build system
[04:24] <Yagisan> ajmitch: monolithic automake based
[04:24] <Yagisan> ajmitch: I'm trying to rewrite it, as upstream rearranges evrything
[04:24] <ajmitch> good luck
[04:25] <ajmitch> what license is the rest of it under?
[04:25] <Yagisan> thanks ajmitch. GPL v2 or later, some BSD
[04:25] <ajmitch> hm
[04:26] <Yagisan> ajmitch: we are removing and rewriting the non-dfsg stuff, but that will take time
[04:26] <ajmitch> I'd investigate how well you can have GPL & non-commercial-only in the same project, linking together
[04:26] <Yagisan> ajmitch: I'd just like to get the package into the best shape I can, before resubmission
[04:26] <ajmitch> sounds reasonable
[04:26] <Yagisan> ajmitch: the non-commercial stuff is in some of the seperate plug-in libs
[04:26] <ajmitch> ok
[04:27] <Yagisan> ajmitch: you can delete it and it works (minus the features deleted of course)
[04:27] <Yagisan> ajmitch: but the end-users don't want me to do that
[04:27] <ajmitch> as upstream you could put in an exception anyway (if all the contributors agree)
[04:28] <Yagisan> ajmitch: yes, that is easy. not many contributors
[04:28] <ajmitch> the FSF takes a fairly strict interpretation of what a derivative work is then
[04:28] <ajmitch> saying that a plugin is dependant on the main app, and so is covered as a GPL derivative
[04:29] <ajmitch> ie no non-free stuff
[04:30] <ajmitch> http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#GPLAndPlugins for the boring info
[04:30] <ajmitch> a few entries later it has a sample exception template
[04:31] <Yagisan> ajmitch: it looks close to the borderline case atm, and is going to move further towards it (rather like the linux kernel and say the nvidia module).
[04:32] <Yagisan> ajmitch: thanks for the heads up. I will bring it to the rest of the teams attention
[04:32] <ajmitch> best to find out now than when you go to upload
[04:33] <Yagisan> ajmitch: yes, much better now. I still have a chance to fix it before upload
[04:44] <Hobbsee> night all...
[04:59] <phanatic> hi people
[05:00] <zul> hi phanatic
[05:01] <bddebian> Hello phanatic
[05:01] <zakame> hi phanatic
[05:01] <phanatic> hey zul, bddebian, zakame
[05:01] <bddebian> zakame!! :-)
[05:01] <ajmitch> hello phanatic
[05:02] <phanatic> greetings, ajmitch
[05:02] <zakame> bddebian!! :-)
[05:33] <Seveas> jamessan, ping
[06:10] <jamessan> Seveas: pong
[06:36] <Tonio_> yop
[06:37] <bddebian> Heya Tonio_
[06:43] <Seveas> jamessan, you were interested in Ubugtus bugtracker plugin?
[06:46] <jamessan> Seveas: is it still based on the Bugzilla plugin or did you end up rewriting it?
[06:46] <Seveas> somewhere in between
[06:46] <Seveas> I rewrote most of it, but parts of the old code are still ther
[06:46] <Seveas> e
[06:47] <jamessan> actually, I just noticed you're still running an older version of supybot.  a user was asking for Bugzilla updated to work with 0.83.1 so I thought I'd take a look at what you had done
[06:48] <Seveas> hehm no I run the older one, will have to update in a month or so
[06:48] <Seveas> around that time I'm going to port it
[06:48] <jamessan> maybe I'll just buckle down and port the Bugzilla plugin this weekend
[06:49] <Seveas> btw: the plugin now understands trac, bugzilla, malone, debbugs and sourceforge
[06:50] <jamessan> heh, trying to obsolete some of my other plugins I see ;)
[06:50] <phanatic> raphink: missed the channel :)
[06:50] <Seveas> not really, i just wanted a uniform interface
[06:51] <raphink> phanatic: what do you mean?
[06:51] <phanatic> raphink: i wanted to greet you here, not on -devel :)
[06:52] <raphink> oooh ok :)
[06:53] <jamessan> Seveas: the newer 'nested plugins' may work well with that.  I'd be interested in seeing how the plugin's evolved
[06:53] <Seveas> jamessan, bugbot.ubuntulinux.nl has a link to the code
[06:54] <phanatic> raphink: i envy you because of the developer summit held in paris ;)
[06:55] <raphink> hehe
[06:55] <raphink> you can come phanatic
[06:56] <phanatic> yeah, it's in the last week of my exam period, so if i do my studies well, i can make it
[07:13] <iegary> anybody able to take a look at bug 29802? I've added a patch with a possible workaround.
[07:13] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 29802 in mysql-admin "MySQL Administrator Locks when trying to do User Administration" [Major,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/29802
[07:15] <zul> what does the patch do?
[07:16] <iegary> zul: moves /usr/bin/mysql-admin to /usr/lib/mysql-admin/mysql-admin, adds a shell script to set an environment variable, then exec the binary with all arguments.
[07:17] <iegary> zul: the bug is that without a certain env variable set, the app usually hangs trying to view/add users. An alternative would be to mess with the code, which might be more intrusive
[07:17] <Spec> but it would be a better fix
[07:17] <Spec> and you could submit it upstream
[07:19] <iegary> well it's not a fix - it looks like a workaround to hide an unknown race condition - changing the code based on this workaround would just serialize stuff that's usually done in parallel, and will almost certainly not be the final fix.
[07:19] <iegary> I might have a look for the real fix this w/end if I have time then - looks like somebody forgot to unlock a mutex.
[07:29] <tuxmaniac> LaserJock: Hi
[07:29] <LaserJock> hi tuxmaniac
[07:30] <LaserJock> I'll try to revew xcircuit soon
[07:31] <tuxmaniac> LaserJock: No probs!
[07:31] <tuxmaniac> LaserJock: Am begining to package Magic now
[07:32] <tuxmaniac> LaserJock: G0SUB said something about ITP so that I pack it for debian too!
[07:33] <tuxmaniac> LaserJock: I infact waiting for some nice review comments so that I can take care while doing the next packaging process!
[07:33] <LaserJock> tuxmaniac: yeah, in debian if you would like to package something new, you usually file an Intent To Package (ITP) bug againt wnpp
[07:33] <tuxmaniac> Yes G0SUB told me just now!
[07:35] <LaserJock> tuxmaniac: for more info go to http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/
[07:35] <LaserJock> tuxmaniac: it isn't necessary in order to get the package into Ubuntu but it is nice to give the Debian users a package too
[07:36] <bddebian> LaserJock: I think tuxmaniac is your new MOTUScience master :-)
[07:36] <tuxmaniac> LaserJock: Ok..
[07:36] <LaserJock> bddebian: :)
[07:36] <tuxmaniac> bddebian: I am _not_ a master.. Still a wanna be.. Will definitely inform you when I become.. :)
[07:42] <tuxmaniac> bddebian: BTW how much of Bugs you squashed today :)
[07:43] <bddebian> I'm being slow today.  Only about 10 so far
[07:43] <zul> i better catch up
[07:43] <bddebian> zul: I'm pushing 33K now :-)
[07:43] <zul> im pushing 10k :)
[07:44] <bddebian> Bah, you can close that gap over the weekend ;-P
[07:44] <zul> bddebian: heh, i have the next week off from work :P
[07:45] <crimsun> d'oh, the next dev summit is in France
[07:46] <bddebian> zul: Uh oh :-)
[07:46] <LaserJock> eww, I slipped below 10k today. I better get moving
[07:47] <crimsun> gah, below 60k :/
[07:47] <bddebian> w00t, go crimsun
[07:48] <tuxmaniac> I do a Suspend to RAM on my laptop
[07:48] <tuxmaniac> When I long in again
[07:49] <tuxmaniac> the network Monitor does not show the data activity but the network is working fine
[07:49] <tuxmaniac> Is this a Bug?
[07:49] <tuxmaniac> *log
[07:51] <crimsun> yes
[07:51] <crimsun> (it is a bug)
[08:03] <zul> another xsim?
[08:05] <bddebian> Nah
[08:05] <bddebian> Heya cbx33
[08:05] <bddebian> slomo_: You around?
[08:06] <cbx33> hiya bddebian howz it all going
[08:07] <bddebian> cbx33: OK I guess. You?
[08:07] <cbx33> yeh goo
[08:07] <cbx33> d
[08:13] <bddebian> Bug #37297 Should go upstream?
[08:13] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 37297 in pmount "Please support dmask and fmask in addition to umask" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/37297
[08:24] <dholbach> bddebian: pitti is upstream
[08:25] <bddebian> Ahh
[08:51] <dholbach> good bye
[08:52] <phanatic> bye dholbach
[08:53] <dholbach> phanatic: I noticed you'll be in Paris too! Great!
[08:53] <dholbach> :-)
[08:54] <phanatic> yeah, i hope i get a little sponsorship, then i'll be there for sure :)
[08:54] <dholbach> super! :)
[08:54] <dholbach> see you guys around
[08:54] <dholbach> *wave*
[10:44] <LaserJock> hi \sh
[10:44] <\sh> moin moin
[10:48] <Gloubiboulga> hello \sh
[10:52] <LaserJock> hmm, I wonder what the dev conference will be called
[10:53] <LaserJock> UFF - Ubuntu French Fried?
[10:57] <LaserJock> UFT - Ubuntu French Toast?
[10:57] <LaserJock> I sure hope they think of better names than me
[10:57] <LaserJock> I just had lunch, food is on the brain
[11:34] <sivang> LaserJock: do you know where it is going to be / has anything been announced about it yet?
[11:34] <LaserJock> near Paris
[11:34] <LaserJock> it is on ubuntu-announce
[11:35] <raphink> Tonio_: I _have_ uploaded k-d-s
[11:35] <raphink> LaserJock: that'll give you a good opportunity to come see me :)
[11:35] <Tonio_> raphink: good ;)
[11:36] <raphink> Tonio_: I have uploaded kds on tuesday
[11:36] <raphink> 3 days ago
[11:36] <raphink> unless you mean a new one
[11:37] <Tonio_> raphink: there is a new one yes ;)
[11:37] <raphink> ah
[11:37] <raphink> did you send it to me?
[11:37] <raphink> ah I see
[11:37] <Tonio_> ;)
[11:37] <raphink> Tonio_: sorry I'm just overbusy lately
[11:38] <raphink> all the time I don't work or spend with the job searching I spend with my friend ;)
[11:38] <raphink> I'll upload now
[11:39] <LaserJock> raphink: I'd love to, I just don't know that I can make it
[11:39] <raphink> ah
[11:39] <raphink> I hope you can :)
[11:40] <LaserJock> it is in June, right?
[11:41] <raphink> LaserJock: yes
[11:41] <LaserJock> I'd have to get a passport and I don't know that I could get sponsorship
[11:42] <raphink> ah
[11:42] <raphink> Tonio_: I only see changes by Lure in this new one
[11:42] <crimsun> passports don't take too long
[11:42] <raphink> but I'll upload
[11:42] <crimsun> I'd love to go, but there's no way I could get release time :/
[11:42] <Lure> raphink: in k-d-s? not mine....
[11:42] <LaserJock> I could get the time, I just don't have any money
[11:42] <Tonio_> raphink: hu ?
[11:42] <Lure> raphink: but you can do my kdeadmin ;-)
[11:43] <crimsun> well, if we pool, maybe half of each of us can go ;)
[11:43] <raphink> oh wait a min
[11:43] <raphink> wait
[11:43] <Tonio_> raphink: or was it riddell ?
[11:43] <raphink> I confused
[11:43] <raphink> sorry Tonio
[11:43] <raphink> give me one minute
[11:43] <Tonio_> Lure: how do you extract datas from an rpm ?
[11:43] <Lure> raphink: take your time - just do not upload new kernel ;-)
[11:43] <Tonio_> I don't know anything about that crappy binary package structure :)
[11:44] <Lure> (as they told you on TB ;-)
[11:44] <raphink> Lure: haha
[11:44] <raphink> Tonio_: juste une petite faute de frappe dans le changelog ;)
[11:44] <Tonio_> raphink: ok
[11:45] <Lure> Tonio_: I think rpm is cpio package , will try to remember how I did it last time...
[11:45] <Tonio_> raphink: tu sais comment extraire les datas d'un rpm ? je vais pter mon slip la ca me les casse.......
[11:45] <raphink> I'll fix it Tonio_
[11:45] <Tonio_> Lure: rpm2cpio ?
[11:45] <raphink> Tonio_: avec alien ?
[11:45] <Tonio_> raphink: bah je vois pas comment en fait
[11:45] <raphink> man alien
[11:46] <raphink> je sais pas
[11:46] <Tonio_> connard ;)
[11:46] <raphink> haha
[11:46] <raphink> :)
[11:46] <raphink> j'ai jamais fait
[11:46] <Tonio_> bah je fais un deb et j'extract du deb, mais  bon c rilou :)
[11:46] <raphink> :p
[11:46] <raphink> et reste poli hein?
[11:46] <Tonio_> bah ici c pas une insulte ;)
[11:46] <raphink> et heu ...
[11:46] <raphink> c'est quoi ce kds horrible l ?
[11:46] <Tonio_> de koi ?
[11:46] <raphink> tous les fichiers de debian/ sont en chmod x
[11:47] <Tonio_> serieux ?
[11:47] <raphink> meme control
[11:47] <Tonio_> bah ecoute j'ai rien chang moi
[11:47] <raphink> a va pas du tout a
[11:47] <Tonio_> c'tait comme ca avant ?
[11:47] <raphink> ben regarde
[11:47] <raphink> j'ai du 700 sur presque tous
[11:47] <raphink> je sais pas je regarde
[11:47] <Tonio_> bah ca a toujours t comme ca
[11:47] <Lure> Tonio_: or alien... will try
[11:47] <LaserJock> I feel like I'm at the dev conference already :-)
[11:47] <Tonio_> et franchement on s'en bat les couettes
[11:47] <Lure> LaserJock: lolo
[11:48] <raphink> oui mais a va pas Tonio_
[11:48] <raphink> je vais changer a
[11:48] <raphink> dans l'upload
[11:48] <raphink> :)
[11:48] <raphink> jj'en profite :)
[11:48] <Tonio_> k
[11:51] <raphink> voil a va tre mieux :)
[11:52] <raphink> hop
[11:53] <ajmitch> morning
[11:53] <raphink> hi ajmitch
[11:53] <raphink> Lure: I'm doing yours now
[11:53] <Lure> raphink: thanks
[11:54] <Lure> raphink: if you will test, try PPC ;-)
[11:54] <raphink> ah
[11:54] <raphink> ok then I'll build on this one
[11:54] <raphink> brb
[11:54] <ajmitch> ah, I see the developer summit is announced