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| Lure | Tonio_: should we patch these two: | 12:23 |
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| Lure | static const char* knm_webpage = I18N_NOOP("http://www.novell.com/linux"); | 12:23 |
| Lure | static const char* knm_bugaddr = I18N_NOOP("http://bugzilla.novell.com"); | 12:23 |
| Lure | (in main.cpp) | 12:23 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: okay for the bugaddr, but about the webpage........ what would you add ? | 12:26 |
| Lure | Tonio_: do not know, but bugAddr has to be e-mail anyhow... | 12:26 |
| Tonio_ | e-mail ???????* | 12:27 |
| Lure | Tonio_: is there bugs@ubuntu.com | 12:27 |
| Lure | http://developer.kde.org/documentation/library/cvs-api/kdelibs-apidocs/kdecore/html/classKAboutData.html | 12:27 |
| Tonio_ | lure ok | 12:31 |
| Lure | Tonio_: I think we should just leave the default (bugs.kde.org) as there is knetworkmanager product | 12:31 |
| Tonio_ | yep | 12:31 |
| Lure | Tonio_: and first bug: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126198 | 12:32 |
| Ubugtu | KDE bug 126198 in general "option to suppress notifications" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed] | 12:32 |
| Lure | Tonio_: will you do the patch? | 12:33 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: hu ????? | 12:33 |
| Tonio_ | isn't that supposed to be done ? | 12:33 |
| Lure | I can provide if you want... | 12:33 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: didn't you told my there was an option in latest suse rpm ? | 12:34 |
| Tonio_ | I am lost | 12:34 |
| Lure | just remove all references of knm_bugaddr | 12:34 |
| Lure | Tonio_: options for what? | 12:34 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: I can do that, patch | 12:34 |
| Tonio_ | you showed me that kde bug and asked if I could do a patch :) | 12:34 |
| Tonio_ | or were you talkin about the knm_bugaddr | 12:35 |
| Tonio_ | ? | 12:35 |
| Lure | Tonio_: sorry... b.k.o bug was just suprise for me and I posted it | 12:35 |
| Lure | Tonio_: I was talking about the patch to remove bugzilla.novell.com | 12:35 |
| Tonio_ | yep | 12:36 |
| Tonio_ | removing or replacing for you ? | 12:36 |
| Tonio_ | make[3] : *** No rule to make target `/opt/kde3/include/serviceiface.h', needed by `serviceiface.kidl'. Stop. | 12:36 |
| Tonio_ | hum........... | 12:36 |
| Lure | If you remove, it will use default from KAboutData | 12:36 |
| Tonio_ | ok | 12:37 |
| Lure | Tonio_: missing build-dep? | 12:37 |
| Lure | Tonio_: looks like kdepim3-devel... | 12:38 |
| Lure | kdepim-dev in debian... | 12:39 |
| Lure | Tonio_: BTW, Suse has nice intergtation in Kontact, Kopete that auto-connect when network is established by knm | 12:40 |
| Lure | Tonio_: I think with is this interface... | 12:40 |
| Lure | Tonio_: not yet in Ubuntu: http://packages.ubuntulinux.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=kdepim-dev&version=dapper&arch=i386 | 12:42 |
| raphink | Lure: uploading your patch | 12:42 |
| Lure | raphink: thanks! | 12:42 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: does this mean it could work when we have it ? | 12:43 |
| Tonio_ | I am waiting for autoconnect in kopete for month ;) | 12:43 |
| Lure | Tonio_: we could look into this - I think danimo was already looking into kdepim | 12:44 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: so we have to wait a bit.... | 12:44 |
| Lure | Tonio_: what bothers me is where it gets /opt/kde3.... this is very SuSE... :-( | 12:48 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: that can be patched anyway | 12:49 |
| Tonio_ | the only problem is that we cannot package knm.... | 12:49 |
| kwwii | night all | 12:49 |
| Tonio_ | kwwii: nite ;) | 12:49 |
| Lure | kwwii: nite | 12:49 |
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| Tonio_ | Lure: and that will probably not go in dapper at all, since we will get that with kde 3.5.3 only.... | 12:50 |
| Lure | Tonio_: we can have kubuntu patches that "fixes known problems when network connects/disconnects" | 12:51 |
| Lure | I can submit some bugs... ;-) | 12:51 |
| Tonio_ | http://websvn.kde.org/branches/KDE/3.5/kdepim/networkstatus/serviceiface.h?rev=438982&view=log | 12:51 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: look at that | 12:51 |
| Tonio_ | look at the dates for serviceiface.h file | 12:51 |
| Tonio_ | 13 month ! ?? | 12:51 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: it appears the file isn't in the kdepim-dev file because there is a problem in the package :) | 12:52 |
| Lure | Tonio_: this is just interface - no need to change too often | 12:52 |
| Tonio_ | maybe we can fix this | 12:52 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: but why don't we have it in kdepim-dev then ? | 12:52 |
| Lure | not sure, we will have to investigate - first question is if debian has it... | 12:53 |
| Tonio_ | if it exists for 13 months, we should have it in the package | 12:53 |
| Tonio_ | http://lists.debian.org/debian-qt-kde/2005/07/msg00266.html | 12:53 |
| Tonio_ | debian as it Lure | 12:53 |
| Tonio_ | so that's an issue in kubuntu | 12:53 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: it appears we completly miss the networkstatus .h files | 12:56 |
| Lure | I need sleep - will look into this in the morning... drop me an e-mail if you find something | 12:56 |
| Lure | maybe we need to ping danimo as he was asking Riddell last time about this... | 12:56 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: debian doesn't have it too http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=kdepim-dev&version=stable&arch=i386 | 12:57 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: yes, we need to discuss this tomorrow | 12:58 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: nite | 12:58 |
| Lure | Tonio_: nite | 12:58 |
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| Tonio_ | hey ;) | 10:43 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: ping ? | 10:43 |
| Hobbsee | hey Tonio_! | 10:44 |
| Tonio_ | hi Hobbsee ;) | 10:44 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: do you have locales problem with kde apps actually ? | 10:56 |
| Tonio_ | my desktop is partially in english for now 3 days, and that hapens even on a new account/profile........ | 10:56 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: i'm not sure. i'm starting to get administrator problems with system settings, and it accepting any p/w though | 10:57 |
| Hobbsee | mine's in english anyway :P | 10:57 |
| Tonio_ | hehe | 10:57 |
| Tonio_ | need to ask raphink for this | 10:57 |
| jpatrick | mine's in en_GB, but there's no major difference | 10:58 |
| Tonio_ | hey jpatrick :) | 10:58 |
| jpatrick | hey Tonio_ :) | 10:58 |
| Hobbsee | ditto, with en_AU | 10:59 |
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| Tonio_ | there is a problem with kdepim-dev package | 11:03 |
| Tonio_ | grmpf | 11:04 |
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| jpatrick | hmm, what happened there... | 11:09 |
| Hobbsee | [19:09] <-- jpatrick has left this server (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). | 11:11 |
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| jpatrick | Konversation said Lag: 103 s | 11:11 |
| Hobbsee | ouch | 11:12 |
| Hobbsee | well, it wasnt a ping timeout, so.. | 11:12 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: pong | 11:28 |
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| Riddell | Tonio_: the lang packs just switched to rosetta, it's possible it's all broken | 11:28 |
| Tonio_ | hey Riddell :) | 11:28 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: got an example of something that's missing? | 11:29 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I was looking at latest svn tarball for knetworkmanager and I have a major issue to package it | 11:29 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: yes, in fact in all kde apps, the menu is in english, but the full app is in french, let me screenshot you ;) | 11:29 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: http://planetemu.net/temp/capture9.png | 11:30 |
| Tonio_ | here is an example | 11:30 |
| Tonio_ | and that's not a profile issue | 11:31 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: concerning knm, the issue is a bit annoying as it appear we miss some header files in kdepim-dev package | 11:32 |
| Tonio_ | I looked debian package and the issue is there too | 11:32 |
| Tonio_ | we don't have networkstatus *.h files available | 11:33 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: that probably needs the changes danimo made to kdepim | 11:34 |
| Riddell | which I'd not be terribly keen in putting in at this stage | 11:34 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: as far as I can see, tehre is a networkstatus package | 11:34 |
| Lure_ | Tonio_: I have a patch to remove networkstatus from knm | 11:35 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I assume if I just had the header files in kdepim-dev, that should be okay, since the networkstatus service, la and so file are already available | 11:35 |
| Tonio_ | Lure_: nice ;) | 11:35 |
| Tonio_ | Lure_: but if that's just a header file missing.... | 11:35 |
| Lure_ | Tonio_: will send you as I cannot test right now... | 11:35 |
| Tonio_ | Lure_: thanks | 11:36 |
| Riddell | -./usr/share/locale-langpack/fr/LC_MESSAGES/desktop.mo hmm | 11:36 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: what can be the issue in my case if I just had header files in kdepim-dev ? I assume none, but I'd like to be sure ;) | 11:36 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: do we have the header files in our kdepim source? | 11:38 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: yes | 11:38 |
| Riddell | oh well, we should include them then | 11:38 |
| Tonio_ | and the networkstatus component is in a package, just the header files are removed | 11:38 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: okay, and would you suggest a new networkstatus-dev package or simply put them in kdepim-dev ? | 11:39 |
| Tonio_ | I think second option is the better one. | 11:39 |
| Lure_ | Tonio_: the whole networkstatus stuff in knm is a dirty hack (that what comment says) to fix n-m reporting, therefore I would agree with Riddell that we should be cutios with networkstatus changes | 11:39 |
| Tonio_ | Lure_: ah ? okay, so in that case let's remove it ;) | 11:40 |
| freeflying | Riddell: got another feedback about the failure of grub install, choose zh when you install beta2, you will fail to install grub, nut not when you choose en | 11:40 |
| Lure_ | I would suggest that we discuss this with danimo and the decide | 11:40 |
| Tonio_ | Lure_: we can remove it with your patch for 0ubuntu1 version | 11:40 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: just add to kdepim-dev | 11:41 |
| Tonio_ | then discuss and decide for 0ubuntu2 ;) | 11:41 |
| Lure_ | I woudl LOVE that kdepim/kopete would be network aware (and not compklain about "cannot connect" all the time | 11:41 |
| Riddell | freeflying: that would explain why only you see it | 11:41 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: okay | 11:41 |
| Tonio_ | Lure_: including just .h files isn't dangerous as far as I know, and as long as the so and la files are already shipped | 11:41 |
| freeflying | Riddell: but why dose this happen to our chinese user? :) | 11:41 |
| Tonio_ | Lure_: don't you think ? | 11:42 |
| Lure_ | Tonio_: be aware - it is not just .h, but also libnetworkstatus.so (or .a) that need to be provided for runtime | 11:42 |
| Lure_ | Tonio_: see my patch - I had to remove also -lnetworkstatus to build | 11:42 |
| Tonio_ | Lure_: | 11:42 |
| Tonio_ | /usr/lib/kde3/kded_networkstatus.la | 11:42 |
| Tonio_ | /usr/lib/kde3/kded_networkstatus.so | 11:42 |
| Lure_ | Tonio_: networkstatus package from universe is just monitor and kded extension | 11:43 |
| Tonio_ | they are already in the deb package, unless we are not talking about the same files | 11:43 |
| Tonio_ | Lure_: ah ? | 11:43 |
| Lure_ | Tonio_: not sure that this is the right one, but you can try - we can always fallback to remove patch | 11:43 |
| Tonio_ | hum, okay, so let's use your patch ;) | 11:43 |
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| Tonio_ | Lure_: in any case if we want knm in main, we cannot make it depend on universe stiff | 11:44 |
| Tonio_ | stuff | 11:44 |
| Tonio_ | Lure_: so better use your pae instead | 11:45 |
| Lure_ | Tonio_: I would not like to risk main inclusion with thsi feature... | 11:45 |
| Tonio_ | I didn't saw networkstatus was in universe since it was part of kdepim ; | 11:45 |
| Tonio_ | Lure_: let's package knm !! | 11:45 |
| Riddell | freeflying: I've no idea I'm afraid, I don't know anything about grub | 11:45 |
| Riddell | freeflying: make sure you report a bug on debian-installer | 11:45 |
| Tonio_ | Lure_: I was looking at new icons, the ones in novell's tarball are different from the svn ones | 11:46 |
| Lure_ | Tonio_: really - so which are better? ;-) | 11:46 |
| Tonio_ | Lure_: I was thinking about using the svn ones, nicer in my view, don't you think ? | 11:46 |
| Tonio_ | Lure_: look by yourself ;) to me the kde svn ones are nicer | 11:46 |
| Tonio_ | but that subjective ;) | 11:46 |
| Lure_ | Tonio_: just checked - yes it is much nicer with KDE gear | 11:47 |
| Tonio_ | Lure_: so I'll change them in the tarball | 11:47 |
| Lure_ | the problem is that indication is probably not that obvious like the signal between two dots... | 11:47 |
| Lure_ | Tonio_: tarball does not have configure notifications - will you use debian patch then? | 11:48 |
| Tonio_ | Lure_: nope | 11:48 |
| Lure_ | we should if we will drop \sh patch | 11:48 |
| Tonio_ | I will use kde svn and for missing folders like po, will take them in the novell's tarball | 11:48 |
| Lure_ | Tonio_: ok, that is better | 11:48 |
| Tonio_ | there are minimal changes in the sources, so that may not cause any issue | 11:49 |
| Lure_ | I thought that you will use the tarballl | 11:49 |
| Tonio_ | Lure_: if first option doesn't, I will ;) | 11:49 |
| Tonio_ | doesn't "work" | 11:49 |
| Lure_ | ok | 11:49 |
| Tonio_ | Lure_: did you send me your patch ? | 11:50 |
| Lure_ | Tonio_: yes | 11:50 |
| Lure_ | what is skel? https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2006-April/001163.html | 11:50 |
| Tonio_ | Lure_: nice, let's go ! | 11:50 |
| Tonio_ | Lure_: /etc/skel/* files are used to definied files that have to be copied to the profile at first use | 11:51 |
| Tonio_ | the problem with it is I think it is just for profile creation, changes in it's files are not dynamic | 11:51 |
| Tonio_ | that's why we use kds | 11:51 |
| Tonio_ | and make kde looking in kds and merging files in it with /usr/share/kde ones | 11:51 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: can you confirm this is the reason we do not use skel ? | 11:52 |
| Tonio_ | Lure_: any knowledge in windows ? | 11:52 |
| Tonio_ | skel is the equivalent of "default user" profile, while k-d-s would be the equivalent of "all users" one | 11:52 |
| Lure_ | Tonio_: yes | 11:52 |
| Tonio_ | kind of :) | 11:53 |
| Lure_ | Tonio_: got it - but why does some options do not have effect if changed by user (amarok splash screen as mentioned) | 11:53 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: yes, that's about right | 11:53 |
| Tonio_ | Lure_: I don't understand this, since it works here | 11:53 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: skel should be kept to a minimum generally | 11:53 |
| Tonio_ | kde looks for settings in that order : | 11:53 |
| Tonio_ | profile > kds > /usr/share/kde | 11:53 |
| Tonio_ | the three potential files are merged with that priority if a setting is in several files | 11:54 |
| Tonio_ | so if you modify amarok settings, that goes in ~/user/................/amarokrc | 11:54 |
| Tonio_ | Lure_: that should in any case be prior to kds settings... | 11:55 |
| Lure_ | Tonio_: I can reproduce the amarok splash problem - maybe bug in amarok? | 11:55 |
| Tonio_ | and it works nicelly here | 11:55 |
| Tonio_ | hu ? | 11:55 |
| Tonio_ | Lure_: in that case yes, that is a bug in amarok, that doesn't write the setting correctly in amarokrc | 11:55 |
| Tonio_ | let me try ;) | 11:55 |
| Tonio_ | Lure_: if it was a problem in the kds way to work, that would touch ANY application, not only amarok | 11:56 |
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| Tonio_ | Lure_: I will answer the mail | 11:57 |
| Lure_ | Tonio_: I understand this is why we need to stop the gosip that is going on in ML ;-) | 11:57 |
| Tonio_ | Lure_: hehe ;) he maybe should have post a bug on launchpad for this | 12:00 |
| Riddell | hmm, kdelibs.mo isn't translated | 12:19 |
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| Tonio_ | Lure_: ping ? | 01:02 |
| Tonio_ | Lure_: got a strange issue in building knetworkmanager tarball and I'd like your opinion ;) | 01:02 |
| Tonio_ | or Riddell maybe ? | 01:03 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: hmm? | 01:05 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I grabbed the kdereview branch from kde svn to tarball the latest knm | 01:06 |
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| Tonio_ | running make -f admin/Makefile.common works at the root of it, but I don't want to apackage everything | 01:06 |
| Tonio_ | to I copy pasted the admin folder in knm branch | 01:07 |
| Tonio_ | run make -f admin/Makefile.common, and got that error : | 01:07 |
| Tonio_ | configure.in:7: error: m4_defn: undefined macro: _m4_divert_diversion | 01:07 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: am I wrong in the process, or do I miss something ? | 01:07 |
| Riddell | that's unlikely to work | 01:08 |
| Riddell | better to just rm -r all the directories you don't want to include | 01:08 |
| Tonio_ | ah ? | 01:08 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: that will result a knetworkmanager subdirectory in the tarball doesn't it ? | 01:09 |
| Riddell | yes | 01:18 |
| Riddell | you can also use svn2dist from kdesdk-scripts which will get translations | 01:19 |
| freeflying | Riddell: kdm shall read the configure file in Xsession.d? | 01:20 |
| Riddell | in /etc/kde3/kdm/ | 01:21 |
| Riddell | Xsession.d/ gets run at login | 01:22 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: okay, but I was thinking uing the po filder provides in the suse src.rpm package | 01:22 |
| Tonio_ | maybe easier no ? | 01:22 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: may as well use the whole tar from suse's rpm then | 01:22 |
| freeflying | Riddell: but now some configure file in Xsession.d wasn't read after login in livecd | 01:23 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: why are you updating this anyway? | 01:23 |
| Riddell | freeflying: like what? | 01:23 |
| freeflying | 90im-switch | 01:23 |
| Tonio_ | because it is better, icons look by far better, looks more professionnal :) and there are quite new options interesting, like disabling notifications etc... | 01:23 |
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| Hobbsee | Lure_: ping! | 01:49 |
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| Lure_ | Hobbsee: pong | 02:20 |
| Hobbsee | Lure_: seems that i was havign trouble with the (latest ndiswrapper -1) - the new latest ndiswrapper should have fixed the issue with suspend/hibernate for kpowersave :D | 02:21 |
| Lure_ | Hobbsee: and it fixed kdm login screen issue? | 02:22 |
| Tonio_ | Lure_: kde svn for knetworkmanager is very incomplete, and merging with novell's datas I got lots of errors | 02:22 |
| Hobbsee | got no idea about that...i doubt t | 02:22 |
| Hobbsee | it | 02:23 |
| Tonio_ | Lure_: I now consider using the novell tarball and replacing icons with kde svn ones | 02:23 |
| Tonio_ | Lure_: probably cleaner way to do | 02:23 |
| Lure_ | Tonio_: fine with me, but also include patch from debian for configure notifications | 02:24 |
| Tonio_ | Lure_: considering the notifications, should I adapt \sh patch or better using debian's one ? | 02:24 |
| Tonio_ | okay, that was my question :) | 02:24 |
| Lure_ | debian, also \sh said that it is better | 02:24 |
| Lure_ | Tonio_: see bug 41051 | 02:25 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 41051 in knetworkmanager "Setting of "Disable New Network Notifications" is not persistent" [Wishlist,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/41051 | 02:25 |
| Tonio_ | seen that yesterday yes | 02:25 |
| === Lure_ is tired of knetworkconf bugs (should have written it from scratch in pykde) | ||
| Tonio_ | Lure_: LOL | 02:34 |
| Tonio_ | Lure_: yes knetworkconf is said to be very buggy | 02:34 |
| Tonio_ | Lure_: make a guidance module for it ;) | 02:35 |
| Lure_ | Tonio_: and we would get WPA config also if I would go guidance way... :-( | 02:35 |
| Lure_ | Tonio_: I think this would be nice GoogleSOC project - if Sime or sebas would mentor | 02:36 |
| Tonio_ | Lure_: I think once network-manager will manage ip settings, we will be able to remove it completly | 02:36 |
| Lure_ | Tonio_: this will not happen that soon... | 02:36 |
| Tonio_ | network-manager with ip settings, even without wifi card, would be a perfect replacement for this | 02:36 |
| Tonio_ | Lure_: I heard aout next version for this | 02:36 |
| Tonio_ | networkmanager 0.7 should be shipped with tcp/ip settings options | 02:36 |
| Lure_ | Tonio_: true, but storing it in user's wallet is not a good option for network settings anyhow | 02:36 |
| Lure_ | it is nice for mobile user, but not for general public | 02:37 |
| Lure_ | This is why I think static network config files are there to stay for next couple of years | 02:37 |
| Tonio_ | Lure_: who said this will go in wallet ? | 02:37 |
| Tonio_ | maybe that will be internal network-manager storage of something | 02:37 |
| Tonio_ | of course ip settings cannot be considered the same way that wireless settings :) | 02:38 |
| Lure_ | Tonio_: let's wait and see - until then lets debug knetworkconf | 02:38 |
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| Tonio_ | Lure_: package will be ready in a few seconds ;) | 02:49 |
| Lure_ | Tonio_: few seconds passed... ;-) | 02:54 |
| Tonio_ | Lure_: sorry I will let you patch | 02:55 |
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| uniq | anyone working on bug 33173 ? | 03:08 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 33173 in kdebase kdeprint "kdeprint can not contact cups" [Major,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/33173 | 03:08 |
| Hobbsee | uniq: does it still exist? if so, i doubt it | 03:08 |
| Hobbsee | well, i havent heard of it, and it's not marked in progress... | 03:08 |
| uniq | it's not closed in malone. | 03:08 |
| uniq | and it's marked as major. | 03:09 |
| Hobbsee | uniq: you a developer/coder at all? | 03:10 |
| uniq | not very much. I've been helping out with small fixes and packages from some time before breezy. | 03:11 |
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| Hobbsee | uniq: i suspect that not a lot of people know much about the devel side of all this CUPS stuff | 03:13 |
| Hobbsee | you'd be welcome to look and patch it, if you wish :) | 03:13 |
| uniq | I don't have time. We have a little girl (6months) in the house.. so i can't spend all evenings with the computer anymore. | 03:14 |
| Hobbsee | ah okay | 03:14 |
| uniq | But I would very much like to se it fixed, as printing is important for most desktop users. | 03:15 |
| Hobbsee | definetly | 03:17 |
| Hobbsee | IIRC, it's being worked on, not by me, by someone else... | 03:17 |
| === Hobbsee doesnt code that much, you see... | ||
| Hobbsee | oh, that's the standard cups bug? yeah, that's deifnelty being worked on | 03:17 |
| === Hobbsee keeps seeing new cups packages | ||
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: ping | 03:17 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: pong ? | 03:17 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: what was the deal with that new knetworkmanager that you were asking about? | 03:18 |
| Tonio_ | which one ? I asked about 30 questions here today about that ;) | 03:18 |
| uniq | hobbsee: ok, great. Just checking :) | 03:18 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: package is done, no need to be helped now ;) | 03:18 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: fancy testing it ? | 03:18 |
| Hobbsee | oh, in #kubuntu you were asking for testers? | 03:18 |
| Tonio_ | yes | 03:19 |
| Hobbsee | hehe yep...and if it breaks my system, i'll come and attack :P | 03:19 |
| Lure_ | uniq, Hobbsee: I thnk we can consider that bug fixed | 03:19 |
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| uniq | lure_: ok, update malone and gather your karma then :) | 03:19 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: that will not break anything ;) | 03:19 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: do you want me to dcc you the deb file ? | 03:20 |
| Lure_ | Tonio_: put it in your repo | 03:20 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: or email it, take your pick | 03:20 |
| Hobbsee | oh yeah, that too... | 03:20 |
| Tonio_ | Lure_: well, if there are people using this and the package as a major issue, I don't want to break 300 computers ;) | 03:21 |
| Tonio_ | Lure_: there are lots of people using my repo actually | 03:21 |
| Tonio_ | I would just like ONE tester before adding it to the repo, as I can't test myself....... | 03:21 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: sure, hobbsee@ubuntu.com | 03:21 |
| Lure_ | Tonio_: I can test it too.... and you are right, we should not publish too soon (but by doing so you get for sure more than one tester ;-)) | 03:22 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: email is gone | 03:22 |
| mornfall | Riddell: ping | 03:23 |
| Riddell | mornfall: yo | 03:23 |
| mornfall | or other people | 03:23 |
| mornfall | Riddell: hi | 03:23 |
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| Tonio_ | Lure_: well, we can publish if only one person confirms it works | 03:23 |
| mornfall | is there a way i can mark bugs in malone? | 03:23 |
| Tonio_ | no need for 50 testers | 03:23 |
| mornfall | for my own internal use | 03:23 |
| mornfall | mark, flags, whatever | 03:23 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: cool, got it | 03:24 |
| Riddell | not that I know of, although you could put some code in the title which would then be searchable | 03:24 |
| mornfall | Riddell: well, i want to mark bugs that i want to fix over weekend for next release | 03:24 |
| mornfall | so let's make that "release blockers" | 03:24 |
| mornfall | there's blocks/depends on bugs in bugzilla, but in b.k.o it seems to be disabled | 03:25 |
| mornfall | i miss that | 03:25 |
| Riddell | I would add a comment saying that and if you want them to be easily searchable put (RB) in the title or similar | 03:25 |
| mornfall | upstream BZ also has milestones | 03:25 |
| Tonio_ | Lure_: you should have it too | 03:25 |
| Tonio_ | hey mornfall | 03:25 |
| Riddell | oh, you might be able to make milestones in malone | 03:25 |
| Riddell | although I suspect adept would need to be registered as a launchpad product in that case | 03:25 |
| mornfall | okey, i'll (ab)use tile in that case | 03:26 |
| mornfall | it's the path of least resistance :) | 03:26 |
| mornfall | as soon as i find out how to change that | 03:26 |
| === Hobbsee glares at Tonio_ | ||
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: waiting for your feedback | 03:27 |
| === mornfall finds | ||
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: dead as a doornail... | 03:27 |
| Riddell | mornfall: "Edit Description" | 03:27 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: ??? | 03:27 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: you dont want my feedback... | 03:27 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: of course I want ;) | 03:28 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: http://pastebin.com/688547 | 03:28 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: argh........ | 03:28 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 03:29 |
| Hobbsee | i told you you didnt want to know! | 03:29 |
| Tonio_ | what the f*ck is this ? | 03:29 |
| Tonio_ | okay, let's try without any package first ;) | 03:30 |
| Tonio_ | any patch | 03:30 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: reproducible every time | 03:31 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: yes, just seen that on my desktop, even if I don't have any wifi card... | 03:31 |
| Hobbsee | dunno what to install to get the debug symbols though | 03:31 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: do you have network-manager running ? | 03:32 |
| mornfall | Riddell: what should be the version after 2.0? | 03:32 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: according to ps aux, yes | 03:32 |
| mornfall | Riddell: say, dapper+1 -- 2.1? | 03:32 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: okay I will investigate | 03:33 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: okay...and i'll try to revert... | 03:33 |
| mornfall | Riddell: i suspect 3.0 won't be in time for dapper+1 | 03:33 |
| Lure_ | mornfall: why not use "In Progress" status? | 03:34 |
| mornfall | Lure_: no idea, noone told me there is such thing ;-) | 03:34 |
| mornfall | and i didn't notice | 03:34 |
| Lure_ | mornfall: title change is "Edit Description" (I was also searching for it for couple of days ;-) | 03:35 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: good thing you didnt stick it in your repo hehe :P | 03:35 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: yup ;) | 03:35 |
| mornfall | Lure_: i found that out | 03:35 |
| Tonio_ | I'm testing without lure's patch first | 03:35 |
| Lure_ | mornfall: I see now - I am ready from top down and writing answers... ;-) I should have read all first... ;-) | 03:36 |
| mornfall | hmm, are we UI-frozen or not yet? | 03:37 |
| Hobbsee | mornfall: er, i think we are... | 03:37 |
| Hobbsee | we're string frozen, at least | 03:37 |
| mornfall | hmm, a week late | 03:39 |
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| Hobbsee | mornfall: i wonder how strict they are :P | 03:39 |
| mornfall | well, summary of changes i wanted to do: | 03:39 |
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| mornfall | the updater currently forces user to pull updates | 03:40 |
| mornfall | i wanted to turn quit into skip this for the first page | 03:40 |
| mornfall | and for adept, i was contemplating about a way to force changes preview on users when implicit package removals are to be done | 03:41 |
| Hobbsee | ah ok | 03:41 |
| mornfall | but i guess that would violate freeze | 03:42 |
| Hobbsee | is there an exception process for that? ::P | 03:42 |
| mornfall | i don't know | 03:43 |
| Riddell | mornfall: 2.1 sounds about right | 03:46 |
| mornfall | i'm trying to figure how much sense it makes to have a 2.1 | 03:46 |
| Riddell | 2.5? like firefox :) | 03:47 |
| mornfall | libapt-front started receiving big changes for 3.0 already | 03:47 |
| mornfall | adept 3.0 that is | 03:47 |
| mornfall | so it would be basically 2 branches | 03:47 |
| mornfall | i just don't know what state will 3.0 be in time of dapper+1 freeze | 03:47 |
| mornfall | what is the planned cycle for that? 6 months again? | 03:47 |
| Riddell | no, 4 months | 03:48 |
| Riddell | as if dapper had been on time | 03:48 |
| mornfall | that's no use then | 03:48 |
| mornfall | dapper+2 as a 3.0 target then | 03:48 |
| mornfall | and for dapper+1 bugfix mode | 03:48 |
| kmon | FYI for dapper ubuntu dev's were talking about smart package manager. | 03:49 |
| mornfall | oh, well, right | 03:49 |
| mornfall | that's on kubuntu to decide if they want adept or no | 03:49 |
| kmon | sure | 03:49 |
| mornfall | for 3.0 it will be independent of apt i suppose | 03:49 |
| mornfall | so even if apt-get or libapt-pkg is not shipped in main | 03:50 |
| mornfall | libept and adept could be | 03:50 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: got it to work here without some patches | 03:50 |
| mornfall | (libapt-front will be renamed to libept and current ept will be renamed to adept so libadept as well) | 03:50 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: nice :) | 03:50 |
| mornfall | the commandline tool will be ept | 03:50 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: I need to check which one creates the issue testing one by one | 03:50 |
| === Hobbsee nods | ||
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| kmon | nice | 03:51 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: I still get X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 169 in output | 03:51 |
| mornfall | the other possibility is that you either don't ship a KDE package manager or find someone to write it | 03:51 |
| Tonio_ | but app isnt crashing | 03:51 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: ouch, right | 03:51 |
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| apokryphos | mornfall: a complete split from apt? Sounds interesting :) | 03:52 |
| mornfall | however, it would be good to know if you want to ship adept under these conditions | 03:52 |
| apokryphos | what are the plans with that? | 03:52 |
| mornfall | because if you don't, i will take more freedom in planning release | 03:52 |
| Riddell | if ubuntu does change to smart (still a big if) then I'll probably have to port the smart gtk frontend to qt | 03:54 |
| Riddell | but on the whole, I'd much rather stay with adept | 03:54 |
| apokryphos | smart rocks, too :D | 03:54 |
| Riddell | mornfall: ubuntu conference, June 18th, Paris by the way | 03:54 |
| Riddell | we can probably get you sponsorship | 03:55 |
| apokryphos | Riddell: are there talks in ubuntu about that? | 03:55 |
| Riddell | apokryphos: talks in ubuntu? | 03:55 |
| apokryphos | about moving to smart | 03:55 |
| Riddell | apokryphos: Mark mentioned it at the last conference, that's about all | 03:55 |
| mornfall | well, smart is not very useful on debian -- it took about 1:30 of CPU time just to compute dist-upgrade :P | 03:55 |
| apokryphos | Riddell: any links and/or places to look? | 03:56 |
| Riddell | apokryphos: not that I know of | 03:56 |
| mornfall | which is 1:25 more than i am willing to wait | 03:56 |
| freeflying | Riddell: livecd install crashed, http://paste.ubuntu.org.cn/104 | 03:56 |
| apokryphos | mornfall: over a minute? Ouch. It does take some time to compute that | 03:56 |
| Lathiat | smart? | 03:56 |
| apokryphos | apt is definitely pacier | 03:56 |
| Riddell | freeflying: sigh, yet another unicode error | 03:57 |
| apokryphos | also smart doesn't have things like build-dep etc | 03:57 |
| Riddell | freeflying: thanks | 03:57 |
| mornfall | apokryphos: it was a biggish upgrade to be honest | 03:57 |
| apokryphos | mornfall: still | 03:57 |
| freeflying | Riddell: also the adept_update_notify wasn't disable when livecd start | 03:57 |
| mornfall | apokryphos: price for writing it in python | 03:58 |
| apokryphos | indeed | 03:58 |
| mornfall | it also means bootstrap would have to fetch python | 03:58 |
| mornfall | which is a nuisance, sort of | 03:58 |
| freeflying | Riddell: kio_universe crashes often on livecd, i386 installed and ppc installed http://paste.ubuntu.org.cn/105 | 03:59 |
| Riddell | freeflying: that just means there have been new packages since the live cd was made | 03:59 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I was looking at the livecd and I think there is a little issue actually | 04:00 |
| Riddell | hmm, a scim error | 04:00 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: what's that? | 04:00 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: as it will be the main install cd once dapper is out, having it in english only is a bit problematic no ? | 04:01 |
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| Riddell | Tonio_: you can change the language at the boot prompt | 04:01 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: ah ? didn't thought about that indeed, I assumed the question would be asked during the boot process | 04:02 |
| Tonio_ | I will have to test | 04:02 |
| Riddell | it's not obvious I agree | 04:02 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: that looks "working but not user friendly" | 04:02 |
| Tonio_ | as I think raphink didn't thought about that too :) | 04:03 |
| freeflying | Riddell: ubuntu's livecd's upgrade_notify will be removed from booting, so will we remove it too | 04:03 |
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| === Lure_ wondered from where this nice smell come from... ;-) | ||
| Riddell | freeflying: any idea how they remove it? | 04:07 |
| freeflying | Riddell: in ubuntu's , just remove it from autostart | 04:07 |
| freeflying | Riddell: so we can do it too | 04:07 |
| Riddell | but it must be removed somewhere, probably casper, and added back somewhere too | 04:08 |
| freeflying | Riddell: in casper | 04:08 |
| freeflying | Riddell: it will not add back | 04:08 |
| Riddell | it needs to be added back by the installer for the installed system | 04:09 |
| freeflying | then it's a bug a ubuntu's :) | 04:09 |
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| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: I identified the problem with knm, that's the dialup patch | 04:13 |
| Tonio_ | shoudn't be hard to fix | 04:13 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: ah okay :) | 04:13 |
| Lure_ | Tonio_: debian has updated dialup patch I think... | 04:14 |
| Tonio_ | Lure_: yes, but I'm first trying to reapply the patch, maybe I did an error first time | 04:14 |
| Tonio_ | then, if that isn't resolved, I will look at debian's | 04:15 |
| Tonio_ | I first want to understand why did that crash ;) | 04:15 |
| Lure_ | Tonio_: fine, I just noticed in theri svn that they updated it recently | 04:15 |
| Tonio_ | Lure_: I replaced the icons in the novall tarball by latest svn ones for info ;) | 04:16 |
| Tonio_ | they are way better | 04:16 |
| Tonio_ | Lure_: it works repapplying the patch | 04:20 |
| Hobbsee | night all | 04:20 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee, Lure_, emaling you the valid version | 04:20 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: plz 2 minutes :) | 04:20 |
| Tonio_ | argh | 04:20 |
| Tonio_ | Lure_: you should have the mail | 04:22 |
| Tonio_ | marseillai: t'es la ma poule ? | 04:22 |
| Lure_ | Tonio_: got it | 04:23 |
| === Lure_ installing knm - if I drop off, it is due to Tonio_ ;-) | ||
| Tonio_ | Lure_: hehe | 04:24 |
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| Lure_ | new icons look nice... | 04:25 |
| Tonio_ | yes ;) | 04:26 |
| Lure_ | Tonio_: notification configuration is also great - just need to test it a bit... | 04:26 |
| Tonio_ | the configure notification patch give way better result | 04:26 |
| Tonio_ | only problem is that actions are not translated, but that's not a big issue | 04:27 |
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| Tonio_ | Lure_: let me know and if that sounds nice, I'll publish to my repo | 04:29 |
| Lure_ | now that I need them, none is there (wireless networks of my neighbours ;-) | 04:30 |
| Tonio_ | haha | 04:30 |
| === Tonio_ loves those windows users providing uncrypted wifi access ;) | ||
| Lure_ | Tonio_: I will reboot/login again to observe behaviour when kwallet is access for first time | 04:30 |
| Tonio_ | yes, great | 04:30 |
| Tonio_ | Lure_: lots of wallet issues where reported | 04:31 |
| Tonio_ | would be nice to know if that helps, since that would make uvfe easier to get approved :) | 04:31 |
| Lure_ | Tonio_: I had this kded failure too for one day, but now is gone! | 04:31 |
| Tonio_ | the more bugs closed, the easier uvfe is ;) | 04:31 |
| Lure_ | Will try couple of tests with log i/out | 04:32 |
| Tonio_ | thanks, I'm sorry I can't follow you on tests this time | 04:32 |
| Tonio_ | Lure_: I still need to apply patch for bugzilla | 04:33 |
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| Lure_ | Tonio_: interesting, they changed to bugs.kde.org, but not to e-mail account... | 04:34 |
| Tonio_ | yes, and po files don't have the change...... | 04:35 |
| Tonio_ | ./po/hu.po:msgstr "http://bugzilla.novell.com" | 04:35 |
| Tonio_ | I wonder if I really have to patch all of them | 04:35 |
| === Lure_ rebooting | ||
| Tonio_ | Lure_: need to patch this for you ? | 04:36 |
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| Lure | Tonio_: I got KDED error again, and wallet misbehaving also (seen it once before) | 04:42 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: damn........ | 04:42 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: can you try cleaning your wallet entries ? | 04:43 |
| Lure | Tonio_: I think this are generic problems of KDED more than really knm - knm probably just triggers it | 04:43 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: about the address, should I add bug@kde.org ? | 04:43 |
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| Tonio_ | Lure: most kde apps are using http://bugs.kde.org | 04:44 |
| Lure | Tonio_: I am not sure how other are doing this, but Konversation/Kontact... have nice "Report Bug" compared to knm... | 04:44 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: but knm opens kmail when clicking on it, so what's better ? | 04:44 |
| Tonio_ | let's check sources then | 04:44 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: I just hope the kded error isn't every boot..... | 04:45 |
| Lure | Tonio_: I got it for several reboots, but then last two was w/o - it is really some obscure bug it seems | 04:46 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: yup, but maybe not due to knm | 04:47 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: did you got it with old version too ? | 04:47 |
| Lure | Tonio_: yes, I got it with repo version too | 04:50 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: okay. so which email should I add ? bugs@kde.org ? | 04:50 |
| Tonio_ | I don't have historic of our yesterday discussion :) | 04:50 |
| Tonio_ | or I will simply remove it since it isn't clear at all | 04:52 |
| Lure | Tonio_: if you remove that it will get default value. Just remove the variable and the use of variable when KAbout is contructed | 04:52 |
| Lure | http://developer.kde.org/documentation/library/cvs-api/kdelibs-apidocs/kdecore/html/classKAboutData.html | 04:53 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: may be better since knetworkmanager is now on kde | 04:53 |
| Lure | there you can see submit@bugs.kde.org - but better not have this in our patch | 04:54 |
| Lure | in case it changes later (unlikely though) | 04:54 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: I'm first trying without the line att all and see ;) | 04:57 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: I'm pushing it to the repo and make an uvfe | 05:06 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: removing the entry make it use the web link that other applications are using, which is nice | 05:14 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: what .h files were missing from kdepim? | 05:16 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: all files in networkstatus/ | 05:17 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: let me get the list | 05:17 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: they are all marked as noinst_HEADERS in Makefile.am | 05:17 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: the one I needed was clientiface.h | 05:17 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: well, in that case, suse did crappy stuff ;) | 05:18 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: anyway, the usage of this was comment as "ugly hack" in the sources, so maybe luka renko's patch to remove this is better | 05:19 |
| pradeepto | Riddell: am I supposed to see a MAP in the "Where are you section?" thing? | 05:19 |
| Riddell | pradeepto: no, it's not implemented yet | 05:20 |
| Riddell | I may not have time for that | 05:20 |
| pradeepto | uh oke | 05:20 |
| pradeepto | Riddell: you mean for the final release or just for the betas? | 05:22 |
| Lure | Riddell: we should ping danimo when he is around for networkstatus - I am not sure if kdepim has it own copy just becasue there is no separate -dev package for networkstatus yet | 05:22 |
| Riddell | pradeepto: well it's not in the beta, but I'd like to do it for the final release but it's not a priority | 05:22 |
| Lure | Riddell: in such case it makes sense that it does not install its own copy | 05:22 |
| pradeepto | Riddell: aah..I understand. | 05:23 |
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| pradeepto | Riddell: is it an KDE app or Py/KDE app? And where is the source available? | 05:24 |
| danimo | hi there | 05:24 |
| Riddell | danimo: seems knetworkmanager needs clientiface.h but kdepim doesn't install it | 05:25 |
| danimo | pradeepto: you're a quite omnipresent guy, aren't you? ;) | 05:25 |
| Tonio_ | hi danimo | 05:25 |
| danimo | hi Tonio_, Riddell | 05:25 |
| Riddell | pykde, all help appreciated https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUbiquity | 05:25 |
| pradeepto | danimo: :) | 05:25 |
| danimo | Riddell, Tonio_: I went through the suse patches with allen winter yesterday | 05:25 |
| danimo | Riddell, Tonio_: suse heavily patched kdepim and stuff to make it work with network manager and knetwork manager | 05:26 |
| danimo | essentially. you need to pull their kde pim patches | 05:26 |
| Riddell | right. I'm not too keen to do that post beta | 05:26 |
| Lure | danimo: should we do that or you see that it is too intrusive? | 05:26 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: yes, sounds a bit late for this | 05:27 |
| danimo | well, the suse guys made it so that kde apps would depend on knetworkmanager running | 05:27 |
| danimo | so it would break in a "kde apps on gnome with nm applet" scenario afaict | 05:27 |
| Lure | danimo: and we cannot do that... | 05:27 |
| danimo | but I am still waiting for a feedback from suse | 05:27 |
| Tonio_ | danimo: as long as we don't knetworkmanager by default, patching like this sounds dangerous | 05:27 |
| danimo | yes | 05:27 |
| danimo | there is a patch that does it more properly | 05:28 |
| Tonio_ | danimo: does it affect the "normal" way to work when networkmanager isn't installed ? | 05:28 |
| Lure | this seems like a nice thing for edgy | 05:28 |
| danimo | but that one breaks in some cases | 05:28 |
| danimo | see https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=165907&x=0&y=0&=Find | 05:28 |
| danimo | Tonio_: no, it should not | 05:28 |
| Tonio_ | danimo: ok | 05:29 |
| danimo | Tonio_: I really want to talk to Will before doing anything | 05:29 |
| Tonio_ | danimo: sure | 05:29 |
| danimo | Tonio_: I suggest we wait for him to show up, commit the patches to branch and you just take the branch diff from there | 05:29 |
| danimo | him == Will, one of the SUSE guys | 05:29 |
| Tonio_ | can be interesting for edgy, but as knetworkmanager build nicelly with Lure's patch, no need to go over this | 05:29 |
| danimo | Tonio_: what do you mean? | 05:29 |
| Lure | danimo: we removed networkstatus stuff from latest knm to compile w/o it | 05:30 |
| danimo | ic | 05:30 |
| Tonio_ | danimo: Lure patched so that he removed network status functions from knetworkmanager | 05:30 |
| Tonio_ | so we can use it without those kdepim patches | 05:30 |
| danimo | Tonio_: network manager itself is broken for me since quite a while. it doesn't adjust the ESSID | 05:30 |
| danimo | and it sometimes fails to show the names of the network and stays with an emty ESSID | 05:31 |
| Lure | danimo: this should have been fixed with last update | 05:31 |
| Tonio_ | hum... Lure didn't that worked for you ? | 05:31 |
| danimo | Lure: as of when? | 05:31 |
| Lure | 1 day (max 2 day_ ago) | 05:31 |
| Tonio_ | danimo: I can send you source patch if you're interested in it | 05:31 |
| Lure | danimo: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/dapper-changes/2006-April/009895.html | 05:31 |
| Tonio_ | danimo: it is based on latest novell's src-rpm package published yesterday | 05:32 |
| danimo | ah, they tried to lose the dependency | 05:32 |
| danimo | I just looked in the changelog | 05:32 |
| danimo | Tonio_: ic | 05:32 |
| danimo | Lure, Tonio_: does anyone know if/when the vpn plugins will make it into universe? | 05:32 |
| Tonio_ | danimo: I need someone to revu them to upload ;) | 05:33 |
| Tonio_ | slomo did, but nobody else seems interested... I added the packages on revu | 05:33 |
| Lure | danimo: I cannot test (problems with our IT certificates) | 05:33 |
| Tonio_ | danimo: at least the openvpn one works for me, I can't test the vpnc | 05:33 |
| Lure | Tonio_: did you discuss with with Keybuk? Is he at all interested to see this in Dapper universe or not? | 05:34 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: I pinged him but didn't receive any rsponse | 05:34 |
| danimo | Tonio_: where is it? | 05:34 |
| Lure | Tonio_: I just installed it, but already "Configure VPN..." does nothing for me | 05:34 |
| Tonio_ | danimo: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2283 and http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2284 | 05:35 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: which one ? | 05:35 |
| Lure | kubuntu.no-ip.org repo | 05:35 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: not sure I added them there did I ? | 05:35 |
| Lure | Tonio_: you did - that is what I installed | 05:35 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: and which one did you test ? | 05:36 |
| Tonio_ | cause I'm here using the openvpn one, which give perfect result | 05:36 |
| Lure | Tonio_: I have installed both (openvpn, vpnc), but I really only need vpnc | 05:36 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: and nothing happens when you launch the configuration tool ? | 05:37 |
| danimo | Tonio_: that's not the package itself up there, or what am I missing? I man ot familiar with revu | 05:37 |
| danimo | I am not even | 05:38 |
| Tonio_ | danimo: there are ource packages | 05:38 |
| Tonio_ | they need to be build, and you can find debs on my personnal repo | 05:38 |
| Tonio_ | danimo: which seems to be down for a few minutes :) | 05:38 |
| danimo | Tonio_: url? | 05:39 |
| Tonio_ | http://kubuntu.no-ip.org | 05:39 |
| Tonio_ | wait a moment for the server to come back online | 05:39 |
| Tonio_ | my hoster seems to have an issue | 05:39 |
| danimo | ok | 05:39 |
| danimo | Tonio_: works fine here | 05:40 |
| Tonio_ | danimo: then my isp has an issue ;) | 05:40 |
| Lure | Tonio_: exactly - selecting menu entry does nothing (no log to console either) - I did not report as I was distracted by knetworkconf | 05:40 |
| Lure | ;-) | 05:40 |
| Riddell | bug 42081, first complains about kuickshow going | 05:41 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 42081 in kdebase "Cannot execute kuickshow" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/42081 | 05:41 |
| Riddell | I wonder how many more we'll get | 05:41 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: that's different | 05:41 |
| Tonio_ | the kuickshow package seems broken | 05:41 |
| Tonio_ | I installed it and couldn't launch kuickshow | 05:41 |
| Riddell | yes, it's not compiled any more | 05:42 |
| Lure | Tonio_: it depends on some lib that was dropped from main... | 05:42 |
| Lure | Riddell: can we not move it to universe? | 05:42 |
| pradeepto | Riddell: help | 05:42 |
| Riddell | Lure: no, kdegraphics is in main so all it's build-deps also have to me | 05:42 |
| Riddell | to be | 05:42 |
| pradeepto | Riddell: I was "testing" the beta installer thingie after the cd booted up. | 05:43 |
| pradeepto | Riddell: reached upto "Select your keyboard language" thing | 05:43 |
| pradeepto | Riddell: after that the app just vanished from screen or something | 05:44 |
| pradeepto | Riddell: so I shutdown and rebooted from the hdd | 05:44 |
| Riddell | pradeepto: on beta 1 that wil happen | 05:44 |
| pradeepto | Riddell: only to find out that the grub has been hosed :( | 05:44 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: I also meet the openvpn problem now........ | 05:45 |
| danimo | Riddell: how is the live cd installer going btw? | 05:45 |
| pradeepto | Riddell: please tell me that my data is fine, tell me that it didnot touch the partition | 05:45 |
| Tonio_ | probably something changed or package was updated | 05:45 |
| Lure | Tonio_: cannot configure? | 05:45 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: nope, but maybe that's due to external change, since it worked with the same binary one month ago | 05:45 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: I'm trying to repackage debs | 05:45 |
| Riddell | pradeepto: it may have wiped your partition table, in which case you need to apt-get install gparted and restore it with "gpart -W /dev/hda /dev/hda" | 05:47 |
| Riddell | pradeepto: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/40464 | 05:47 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 40464 in ubiquity "espresso crashes on partitioning step in Kubuntu 6.06 LTS Beta Live CD" [Critical,Fix released] | 05:47 |
| pradeepto | Riddell: you mean to say I have lost all the data in there.? | 05:47 |
| Riddell | danimo: ok, apart from wiping people's partition tables (the reason for beta 2) and weird things with unicode strings not working | 05:47 |
| Riddell | pradeepto: no, just the partition table, which can be restored | 05:47 |
| pradeepto | ah oke | 05:48 |
| danimo | Riddell: I meant the Qt gui | 05:48 |
| pradeepto | phew! | 05:48 |
| Riddell | danimo: so did I | 05:48 |
| danimo | bbl | 05:48 |
| pradeepto | Riddell: I can do a apt-get install with a live cd running? | 05:49 |
| Lure | Tonio_: why you marked bug 42027 as unconfirmed - it is confirmed on my system | 05:49 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 42027 in knetworkmanager "Frequency is ZERO" [Minor,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/42027 | 05:49 |
| Lure | pradeepto: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/dapper-changes/2006-April/009895.html | 05:50 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: cause I though the confirmed status was from bug reporter ;) since there is no other comment | 05:50 |
| Lure | pradeepto: wrong paste | 05:50 |
| Riddell | pradeepto: yes | 05:50 |
| Lure | pradeepto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperBeta/PartitionTableCorruption | 05:50 |
| pradeepto | thanks Lure Riddell | 05:51 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: I will rechange then | 05:51 |
| Lure | Tonio_: will add comment now ;-) | 05:51 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: hehe, ok :) | 05:51 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: openvpn module seems completly broken.......... sounds weird since it worked | 05:56 |
| Tonio_ | danimo: consider not using my repo then ;) | 05:58 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: that's very strange........ it was working for me 2 weeks ago | 06:01 |
| Tonio_ | and slomo got it working too | 06:01 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: would be interesting to know if that works correctly on gnome | 06:01 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: when did you notice the issue ? | 06:02 |
| Lure | monday or maybe friday last week | 06:03 |
| Lure | I also tried kvpnc and crashed a lot... :-( | 06:03 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: yes ;) | 06:03 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: try kovpn package I added to revu | 06:03 |
| Tonio_ | works nicelly | 06:03 |
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| Lure | Tonio_: I need vpnc | 06:04 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: I assume the openvpn km issue is due to external changes | 06:04 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: ah.... | 06:04 |
| Lure | Tonio_: our IT gave me Cisco client, but it does not even compile on Ubuntu ;-) | 06:04 |
| Tonio_ | hehe | 06:05 |
| Tonio_ | ipsec suxx anyway | 06:06 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: :) | 06:06 |
| Riddell | danimo: what does Reinhold Kainhofer do? | 06:08 |
| danimo | Riddell: he's the korg maintainer these days | 06:23 |
| danimo | re | 06:23 |
| Riddell | sounds just the type for a people behind kde interview then | 06:23 |
| danimo | Tonio_: too late. what's wrong about it? | 06:24 |
| danimo | Riddell: right, why? | 06:24 |
| danimo | Riddell: he's got a PhD in math, which scared me at first, but he's a really cool dude | 06:25 |
| danimo | Riddell: updated kdelibs? why? | 06:27 |
| danimo | Riddell: is there any way that adept could show the latest changelog entry? | 06:27 |
| Riddell | danimo: because I'm looking for people to invite for People Behind KDE interviews | 06:29 |
| Riddell | updated kdelibs? what? | 06:29 |
| Riddell | danimo: there's a wishlist for it, but it's not planned for dapper | 06:30 |
| danimo | Riddell: ubuntu-12 | 06:30 |
| Riddell | * Alter kde.mk to include kde.pot strings in kdelibs.po | 06:30 |
| Riddell | nothing that affects users | 06:30 |
| danimo | ok | 06:30 |
| Riddell | although hopefully fixes Tonio_'s lack of French problems | 06:31 |
| Riddell | once it's gone through rosetta | 06:31 |
| danimo | Tonio_: what's wrong with your repo? | 06:33 |
| danimo | Lure: btw: the frequency bug is confirmed here, too | 06:34 |
| Lure | danimo: ok - btw, you are kdepim guy? | 06:37 |
| danimo | yes | 06:38 |
| Lure | danimo: where are passwords and mail accounts stored? kwallet? | 06:38 |
| danimo | Lure: why? | 06:38 |
| danimo | Lure: depends, but yes, usually it's kwallet | 06:38 |
| danimo | unless the user disallows the kwallet setup | 06:39 |
| Lure | danimo: due to X bug, logout/shutdown causes hung of my system and this sometimes result in lost e-mail accounts (typically only POP, IMAP one stays) | 06:39 |
| Lure | or at least passwords | 06:39 |
| danimo | then the password is scambled (by a unicode variant of rot13, nothing clever) and written to kmailrc | 06:39 |
| danimo | Lure: well, that's not a password problem | 06:40 |
| danimo | Lure: it's a matter of kmail corrupting its config file sometimes | 06:40 |
| Lure | danimo: I would thought so... | 06:40 |
| Lure | danimo: known issue | 06:40 |
| Lure | ? | 06:40 |
| danimo | yes | 06:40 |
| danimo | Lure: some fixes went into 3.5.3 | 06:41 |
| danimo | Lure: you might want to backport them | 06:41 |
| danimo | Lure: I think david faure backported that fix to branch recently | 06:41 |
| Lure | ok, I will look into this - where is actually the stable branch in svn? | 06:41 |
| danimo | Lure: not sure if it is exactly your issue, but it might help | 06:41 |
| danimo | Lure: /branches/KDE/3.5/kdepim | 06:41 |
| danimo | Lure: /trunk/KDE/kdepim is development for KDE 4 | 06:42 |
| Lure | danimo: thanks - will look at the code and see if it makes sense to backport (also korg crash bug) | 06:42 |
| danimo | k | 06:42 |
| Lure | Riddell: I have just pointed them to your nice response - see bug 42091 ;-) | 06:53 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 42091 in kdegraphics kuickshow "kuickshow pacakge has no kuickshow binary" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/42091 | 06:53 |
| Tonio_ | danimo: packages on my repo are failing.... they worked a few weeks ago.... weird but that's it | 07:02 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: I was thinking about this.... is it a good thing to autostart knm like we do ? | 07:18 |
| Tonio_ | isn't that the cause of your problem ? | 07:19 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: what happens if knm starts before wallet ? ;) | 07:19 |
| Tonio_ | maybe let the user launch it the first time and let kde restart it because of the session management is better | 07:19 |
| Tonio_ | that worth testing | 07:20 |
| danimo | I had the problem that kio system would die on kde startup | 07:26 |
| danimo | is that known? | 07:26 |
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| danimo | probably not always, but most of the time | 07:26 |
| pradeepto | Riddell: the source for ubiquity in the dapper universe, is that the latest and best? If not how do I get it form bzr? | 07:29 |
| pradeepto | *from | 07:30 |
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| toma | where is Quit hidden in KNemo? | 07:35 |
| pradeepto | Riddell: what do I need to provide for [BRANCH_LOCATION] ? | 07:42 |
| Tonio_ | toma: knemo is a kde service | 07:45 |
| Tonio_ | you have to stop the service to shut it down | 07:45 |
| toma | Tonio_: that is not obvious and i still dont know how to do that | 07:46 |
| Tonio_ | toma: systemsettings -> kde components -> service manager | 07:47 |
| Tonio_ | should be something like that in english | 07:47 |
| Tonio_ | then you'll see the knemo service, simply shut it down | 07:47 |
| toma | Tonio_: thanks, i would have never found that. | 07:48 |
| Tonio_ | toma: your servant ;) | 07:48 |
| Tonio_ | reboot time | 07:49 |
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| Tonio_ | Lure: disabling the /usr/share/autostart feature makes knetworkmanager start later, just after the desktop il started | 07:55 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: I'm quite certain that avoids the wallet acces error and kicker crash | 07:55 |
| Lure | Tonio_: great news! | 08:01 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: since you got the problem, fancy testing the package ? | 08:05 |
| Lure | sure - send me and I will do in next hour | 08:05 |
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| === Lure but then is hacking time.... ;-) | ||
| Tonio_ | Lure: never make kids prior to tonio's tests ;) | 08:07 |
| Tonio_ | to be serious Lure how many kids do you have ? | 08:09 |
| Lure | Tonio_: two daughters (3 and 8 years) | 08:12 |
| Tonio_ | hehe nice ;) | 08:13 |
| Tonio_ | my girlfriend and I are thinking about a baby soon :) | 08:13 |
| Tonio_ | I am now 28, and I don't to be a 45 years young dady :) | 08:13 |
| Lure | Tonio_: see this: http://www.kde.org/announcements/changelogs/changelog3_5_2to3_5_3.php | 08:37 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: I just saw this ;) | 08:37 |
| Lure | Tonio_: we need to look if we want to include something in Dapper (backport) | 08:37 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: yes, we can diff kdeprint and make a patch of this | 08:37 |
| Lure | Tonio_: got your package - will try now | 08:37 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: but that sounds complicated stuff ;) | 08:38 |
| Lure | Tonio_: I think that kdeprint might be the stuff that Michael did for Kubuntu anyhow... | 08:38 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: do you have problems with kdeprint actually ? | 08:38 |
| Tonio_ | worked here latest time I had to print something :=) | 08:38 |
| Lure | Tonio_: not anymore - everything works as it should (however I did not test from scratch yet - menaing no primters configured) | 08:38 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: is the admin mode working for you ? | 08:39 |
| Lure | yes | 08:39 |
| Tonio_ | I released a fix for this but 2 personns told me it didn't work for them (sounds strange since it works for many....) | 08:39 |
| Tonio_ | okay | 08:39 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: I can confirm it works when no printer is configured on a beta + dist-upgrade | 08:40 |
| Lure | Tonio_: now I see why they compling - you can enter *anything* as password and it still looks like it is in admin mode (red border) | 08:40 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: I had knetworkmanager back in Kmenu/internet, since it can now be shutdown without autorestart | 08:40 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: hu ????????? | 08:40 |
| Lure | Tonio_: I heard Hobbsee (I think) in the morning with that and just tried it... | 08:41 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: doesn't work like that here | 08:41 |
| Lure | Tonio_: but this is not printer specific - I just trien Networks | 08:42 |
| Lure | :-( | 08:42 |
| Tonio_ | when I put a mlsdfgjmlsdfkgp"umoiu password, I get the error message "invalid password" | 08:42 |
| Lure | strange, but this is Major issue... | 08:42 |
| Tonio_ | what the f**k is this ? | 08:42 |
| Lure | I think it is some kdesu f*ck up | 08:42 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: in any case try on a new fresh profile | 08:42 |
| Tonio_ | I personnaly clean my profile every 2 days because of this | 08:43 |
| Tonio_ | changes can do weird things because of profile settings sometime | 08:43 |
| Lure | Tonio_: shit! I can create new users with *anything* as password | 08:43 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: I rebooted after dist-upgrade 30 minutes ago | 08:43 |
| Lure | Riddell: ^^^ !!! | 08:43 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: ARGH !!!!! | 08:43 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: are you up to date ? | 08:44 |
| Lure | Tonio_: 4-6 hours - will update again and install knm and reboot | 08:45 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: yes, since I don't have the issue..... sounds VERY strange | 08:45 |
| Lure | Tonio_: Add/remove programs works - complains about invalid password | 08:45 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: printer works, network too, I will try others | 08:45 |
| Lure | It is just system settings Admin mode that does not care about permissions! | 08:45 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: none of those issues here | 08:46 |
| Tonio_ | even guidance modules are okay | 08:46 |
| Lure | Tonio_: but profile settings should *not* cause something like this! | 08:49 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: something like this I agree | 08:49 |
| Tonio_ | only thing that can cause this to me is maybe kdelibs updated without reboot | 08:49 |
| Tonio_ | weird things can happen when kde or kdelibs are updated without reboot :) | 08:50 |
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| Tonio_ | anyhow that SUPERMAJOR bug ;) We will need to create a new launchpad bug status :) | 08:51 |
| Lure | Tonio_: yes that could be - will see after reboot | 08:51 |
| Tonio_ | yup | 08:51 |
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| Lure | Tonio_: after trying reboot 3 times, no way to reproduce kde panel or wallet error - looks good | 09:12 |
| Lure | Tonio_: will try System settings now... | 09:12 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: great ;) | 09:12 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: the problem was certainly due to knetworkmanager starting before kwallet, resulting a conflict in the system or something | 09:13 |
| Lure | Tonio_: admin mode works now - reject invalid password -> you were probably right regaridng kdelibs | 09:13 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: it is not the first time I can see strange issues after updating kdalibs without rebooting ;) | 09:13 |
| Lure | Tonio_: so the diff is now that user has to start it after install? | 09:13 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: yes, they have to launch it the first time | 09:13 |
| Tonio_ | then kde session management restarts it automatically | 09:14 |
| Lure | Tonio_: yes, but last updates were because of .pot files and I did not expect side effects | 09:14 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: then it is really strange ;) | 09:14 |
| Lure | Tonio_: maybe is a combination of something, but at least we can tell now something to users to try | 09:14 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: I don't think having to start knetworkmanager manualy the first time is a great usability issue | 09:15 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: autostart was better, but well, if that causes bugs....... | 09:15 |
| Lure | Tonio_: for sure not, now we on same level as GNOME ;-) | 09:15 |
| Lure | Tonio: 3.5.3: Add media kioslave support to KFileDialog (bug #105771 and bug #106077) | 09:16 |
| Lure | kde bug 105771 kde bug 106077 | 09:16 |
| Ubugtu | KDE bug 105771 in kfile "Using media-ioslave on local source(e.g. harddisk) gives message that it is not a local source" [Major,Resolved: fixed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=105771 | 09:16 |
| Ubugtu | KDE bug 106077 in kfile "Removable media links do not work" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=106077 | 09:16 |
| Tonio_ | interesting ;) | 09:19 |
| danimo | re | 09:20 |
| danimo | Tonio_: any idea what broke your package? | 09:20 |
| Lure | Tonio_: when is 3.5.3 to be released - changelog looks promising (not many new features) | 09:20 |
| Tonio_ | danimo: absolutly not.... I tried to repackage but the modules still don't work.... | 09:20 |
| Tonio_ | danimo: that's simply unexplainable........ | 09:20 |
| danimo | Tonio_: even a click on "configure" does nothing | 09:20 |
| Tonio_ | danimo: yes | 09:20 |
| Tonio_ | when I start the modules in shell, there is simply no output | 09:21 |
| danimo | waaaah, who stole the alt+cursorkey bindings on konvi? | 09:21 |
| Tonio_ | but I don't get any error during the build..... | 09:21 |
| danimo | Tonio_: does strace help? | 09:21 |
| Tonio_ | danimo: it is probably me sorry ;) | 09:21 |
| danimo | Tonio_: nah, no worries | 09:21 |
| pradeepto | danimo: it works on my box. | 09:21 |
| Tonio_ | danimo: tab switching ? | 09:21 |
| danimo | Tonio_: yes | 09:21 |
| Tonio_ | in fact I chaned it and added it back | 09:22 |
| danimo | Tonio_: ok, next update then | 09:22 |
| Tonio_ | second shortcut is now the first, and there is a new standard that was defined for all tabed apps | 09:22 |
| Tonio_ | this one is the second | 09:22 |
| danimo | Tonio_: what binding is it then? | 09:22 |
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| Tonio_ | first : alt + left/right, second : ctrl + pgup/down | 09:23 |
| Tonio_ | the second is standard for kopete, konqueror, konsole etc.... | 09:23 |
| Tonio_ | danimo: I simply don't understand what the point is with vpn modules..... | 09:23 |
| \sh | moin moin | 09:24 |
| Tonio_ | the only thing I'm sure is that the problem is external to the packages | 09:24 |
| danimo | Tonio_: I don't even know how it is supposed to work in first place | 09:24 |
| Tonio_ | since the same deb files worked very nicelly 2 weeks ago | 09:24 |
| danimo | hi \sh | 09:24 |
| Tonio_ | hey \sh | 09:24 |
| \sh | strange behaviour since the last updates | 09:24 |
| danimo | Tonio_: so you don't think it's a problem with the updated network manager? | 09:24 |
| Tonio_ | \sh: did I congrat you for you new job ? | 09:24 |
| danimo | new job? | 09:24 |
| \sh | load is going up to 2, my laptops fan is continously on | 09:25 |
| Tonio_ | danimo: I don't think so but that could | 09:25 |
| \sh | Tonio_: thx :) | 09:25 |
| Tonio_ | danimo: I tried to rebuild with latest n-m, no change..... | 09:25 |
| Tonio_ | \sh: fancy testing the new knm package ? | 09:25 |
| Tonio_ | 3 bugs closed and quite nice improvement | 09:25 |
| Lure | danimo: new knm is not the problem - it did not work for me already one week ago | 09:26 |
| \sh | sure give me a package :) | 09:26 |
| danimo | NetworkManager: <information> starting... | 09:26 |
| danimo | NetworkManager: <WARNING> main (): nm_data_new: Setting up dbus filter | 09:26 |
| danimo | NetworkManager: <information> Adding VPN service 'org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.openvpn' with name 'openvpn' and program '/usr/bin/nm-openvpn-service' | 09:26 |
| Lure | danimo: I would suspect some n-m change could break this... | 09:26 |
| danimo | Tonio_: that looks at least like nm finds it | 09:26 |
| Tonio_ | danimo: try to launch the module manually | 09:26 |
| Tonio_ | nm-***-openvpn | 09:26 |
| Tonio_ | not sure what the commande is, but you may find it :) | 09:27 |
| Tonio_ | you should get blank output | 09:27 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: n-m changes can make the module not working properly | 09:27 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: I doubt it can make the module not even starting | 09:27 |
| danimo | Tonio_: well, its supposed to register as a dbus service | 09:27 |
| Tonio_ | I'm thinking a gtk lib change or something | 09:27 |
| danimo | Tonio_: and appearantly that works | 09:27 |
| Tonio_ | danimo: hum..... | 09:28 |
| Tonio_ | \sh : http://ns2708.ovh.net/temp/knetworkmanager_0.1~svn-r533312-0ubuntu1_i386.deb | 09:28 |
| Tonio_ | hope you'll not have problem with it ;) I added Provides stuff in it | 09:28 |
| \sh | Tonio_: let's see :) | 09:29 |
| Tonio_ | \sh: but I didn't do like mickael.... I made knetworkmanager providing network-manager-kde | 09:29 |
| \sh | Tonio_: but more strange to me is that my load is very high... | 09:29 |
| danimo | Tonio_: is that even more recent than the one in your no-ip repo? | 09:29 |
| Tonio_ | he did the opposite, but that's not logik to me | 09:29 |
| Tonio_ | danimo: it is the same | 09:29 |
| Tonio_ | but I updated the one on the repo 1 hour ago, so I suggest you upgrade ;) | 09:30 |
| Tonio_ | knetworkmanager -> QT -> working | 09:31 |
| Tonio_ | vpn modules -> gtk -> crashing | 09:31 |
| Lure | Tonio_: n-m-kde makes sense if you searh what is installed (dpkg -l | grep network-manager) and it also looks like naming in SuSE (probably also Fedora) where all n-m packages have NetworkManager prefix (NetworkManager-kde for knetworkmanager) | 09:31 |
| Tonio_ | evidence of qt's supperiority :) | 09:32 |
| danimo | Tonio_: I thought the vpn modules were just implemented abstract | 09:32 |
| Tonio_ | danimo: nope, those are gtk based | 09:32 |
| danimo | outch | 09:32 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: yes it makes sense, but since you use provide, why not simply keeping the tarball name and provide the secondary name you want ? | 09:32 |
| danimo | Tonio_: if that is the case, one might consider to do a proper implementation | 09:33 |
| danimo | Tonio_: if only it wouldn't end up on page 3 of my todo list | 09:33 |
| Tonio_ | danimo: well, the configuration windows are gtk based, not the core, of course | 09:33 |
| danimo | Tonio_: sure | 09:33 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: why renaming the deb to provide the original one ? that's not logik to me....... | 09:34 |
| Tonio_ | as the provided package is searchable and installable the same way that the "true" one | 09:34 |
| \sh | ok...restarting :) | 09:34 |
| Tonio_ | danimo: that's why I would like to know if that fails on gnome too | 09:34 |
| Tonio_ | maybe I have a miss dependancy or something | 09:35 |
| Tonio_ | so that it was working but now fails since I reinstalled | 09:35 |
| Tonio_ | slomo tested them on gnome when revuing my packages and that worked | 09:35 |
| Lure | Tonio_: I think it is just that knetworkmanager is seen as add-on to n-m (like nm-applet) and therefore they expect it to follow some naming | 09:35 |
| Lure | Tonio_: and we probably do not want to be too far from what debian is doing... | 09:35 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: and that's done providing the good name | 09:35 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: we are not too far ;) we are using the same names, same patches | 09:36 |
| Tonio_ | only diffrence is that the "real" deb is switched with the provided | 09:36 |
| Tonio_ | \sh your opinion on this ? | 09:36 |
| Lure | Tonio_: \sh left... | 09:37 |
| Tonio_ | arf he is not still there | 09:37 |
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| \sh | works like a charm :) | 09:38 |
| Tonio_ | \sh: nice ;) | 09:38 |
| Lure | \sh: like new icons? | 09:38 |
| Lure | \sh: and notifications? | 09:38 |
| Tonio_ | \sh: I took the suse src-rpm, but replaced icons with the kdesvn ones | 09:39 |
| Tonio_ | they are by far nicer | 09:39 |
| \sh | yepp...the notifications stuff is much better then my patch..actually they got the idea :) | 09:39 |
| Tonio_ | \sh: autostart issues are supposedly gone too | 09:40 |
| Tonio_ | \sh: concerning the naming, what do you think is the best ? | 09:40 |
| Tonio_ | naming the package network-manager-kde and providing knetworkmanager or the opposite ? | 09:40 |
| Tonio_ | I know debian choosed the first option, but that's not very "logic" to me | 09:41 |
| Lure | Tonio_: bug 42114 | 09:42 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 42114 in amarok "Amarok can't enable/disable splashscreen" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/42114 | 09:42 |
| \sh | I don't know if debian is providing "knetworkmanager" as name | 09:42 |
| Lure | \sh: it is | 09:42 |
| Tonio_ | \sh: I looked at mickael's control file, but I disagree that choice | 09:42 |
| \sh | but at least, if someone is checking on the web for a kde network manager frontend, it will find "knetworkmanager", not "networkmanager-kde" nor "network-manager-kde" so the logic behind is that a "apt-get install knetworkmanger" is working. | 09:43 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: yes I have to look at this | 09:43 |
| \sh | as long the user can install what he is searching for, the way doesn't matter :) | 09:43 |
| Tonio_ | \sh: well both are giving the same result | 09:43 |
| \sh | and for the style, source package is knetworkmanager, binary can be knetworkmanager providing network-manager-kde | 09:44 |
| Lure | \sh: agree, but I prefer to stay the same as debian - less work in future to keep us uptodate | 09:44 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: no change to keep up to date | 09:44 |
| Lure | Tonio_: for edgy, I expect that we will have auto-sync with debian sid for some time, therefore I expect issues if we have diffs like this. Or not? | 09:45 |
| Tonio_ | we already have 8 patches when debian as 2 only | 09:45 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: autosync is for universe | 09:45 |
| Tonio_ | knetworkmanager will go to main | 09:46 |
| Lure | Tonio_: but our patches should move upstream sooned than later... | 09:46 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: yes, that's true | 09:46 |
| Lure | mbiebl took dialup and some others he has pushed to SuSE (like config notifications) | 09:46 |
| \sh | Lure: to be honest, I think a package like network-manager* is not worth, staying close with debian..the development of the network manager stuff is fast, and during a release cycle of ubuntu/kubuntu we are doing more with this package then debian ever will, my imho :) | 09:46 |
| Lure | \sh: point taken... ;-) | 09:47 |
| \sh | Lure: there is no point...i'm not making points (taken from matrix reloaded ;)) | 09:48 |
| Lure | Tonio_: we should check with Riddell though just in case that this will not complicate main inclusion which is currently in progress.. | 09:48 |
| Lure | \sh: lol | 09:48 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: yes | 09:48 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: as long as the package is updated in universe before going to main, that doesn't complicate anything | 09:48 |
| Tonio_ | that's why I will make uvfe toonight and ping a few coredevs ;) | 09:49 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: the point is 3 bugs closed + many others that were not reported to launchpad | 09:49 |
| Lure | Tonio_: for UVFe we need to find some bugs that wer fixed in upstream version - not bugs that you fixed with your patches (those we can do in existing patches) | 09:49 |
| Lure | I mean existing package | 09:50 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: for example after backing from sleep mode | 09:50 |
| Tonio_ | that wasn't working and now does | 09:50 |
| \sh | well, I think that knetworkmanager be one of the "most important packages" of kubuntu...:) it's helpful, it's actively developed and can be maintained in a nice bzr archive for ubuntus changes :) | 09:50 |
| Lure | true - we probably need to find novell bug ids... | 09:50 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: as it is still in svn state, and our current version is quite outdated | 09:51 |
| Tonio_ | uvfe shouldn't be hard to justify | 09:51 |
| Lure | Tonio_: can you publish debdiff and then we can judge? | 09:51 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: now ? sure :) | 09:51 |
| \sh | We should ask timo to do some work for kubuntu during LT and not for suse *coughcough* | 09:52 |
| Lure | Tonio_: you need it anyhow to write UVFe ;-) | 09:52 |
| Tonio_ | \sh: haha | 09:53 |
| \sh | ok..and I'm doing some work on the python packages of sip/qt/kde | 09:53 |
| Tonio_ | guys : http://planetemu.net/temp/debdiff | 09:56 |
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| Lure | Tonio_: ugly - 90% is automake changes?! | 09:58 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: I know | 10:00 |
| Lure | Tonio_: * Using directive Publish in debian/control instead of providing a | 10:00 |
| Lure | Publish? | 10:00 |
| Tonio_ | that's the problem in not packaging real tarballs ;) | 10:00 |
| Tonio_ | arf | 10:00 |
| Tonio_ | ;) | 10:00 |
| \sh | make dist? | 10:00 |
| Tonio_ | provides hehe | 10:00 |
| Tonio_ | \sh: I simply makebuilddir, make -f Makefile.cvs | 10:01 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: old diff is about 400k | 10:03 |
| Tonio_ | new one is 7k | 10:03 |
| Tonio_ | old package version is ugly, not the new one ;) | 10:03 |
| Lure | Tonio_: can we change "Networking tool" in desktop to "Network Manager" - I use "Description (Name)" in menus and this would make it nicer | 10:03 |
| \sh | oh btw... | 10:03 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: hum, yes | 10:03 |
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| \sh | knetworkmanager doesn't show up in the system menu anymore | 10:04 |
| Lure | Tonio_: I mean for GenericName | 10:04 |
| Tonio_ | \sh: internet | 10:04 |
| Tonio_ | \sh: do you think system is the right place ? | 10:04 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: yes I understood this | 10:04 |
| \sh | it has nothing to do with internet | 10:04 |
| Lure | Tonio_: and there is typo: s/Ketworkmanager/KNetworkManager/ | 10:04 |
| Tonio_ | \sh: internet is the place were all wifi tools setup | 10:04 |
| Tonio_ | kwifimanager, wlassistant etc.... | 10:04 |
| Lure | Tonio_: I agree -> it is better in System | 10:05 |
| Tonio_ | okay, let's change this :) | 10:05 |
| Lure | kwifimanager is dead anyhow ;-) | 10:05 |
| Lure | I am not sure for wlasstant ;-) | 10:06 |
| \sh | internet should be for tools which are bound to internet....a wifi tool is not bound to internet imho.. | 10:06 |
| Tonio_ | \sh: tha internet change is from suse, not me ;) | 10:06 |
| \sh | suse is dead *harhar* | 10:06 |
| Tonio_ | \sh: then kppp should be changed too | 10:06 |
| \sh | did I say this? | 10:06 |
| \sh | suse is not dead...never..no way :) | 10:06 |
| Lure | \sh: but it is true the kppp is also under Internet... | 10:07 |
| Tonio_ | and also bluetooth | 10:07 |
| Tonio_ | and also half of the internet menu......... | 10:07 |
| \sh | well...most of the people are using ppp only for ip dialup...which is bad.. | 10:07 |
| Tonio_ | \sh: and about bluetooth ? ;) | 10:07 |
| Lure | maybe we should leave it there, as with current setup people might expect it there... | 10:07 |
| \sh | I wonder if my mobile device is internet | 10:08 |
| Lure | (but we need K-Menu clenaup for Edgy) | 10:08 |
| \sh | Lure: last upload of knm was in system | 10:08 |
| \sh | we could need a cleanup for dapper.... | 10:09 |
| Tonio_ | \sh: well, bluetooth connection over a mobile can be helpfull for internet access, but i agree that's not the common usage ;) | 10:09 |
| Tonio_ | so we have to change bluetooth and kppp | 10:10 |
| Tonio_ | \sh: I changed to system | 10:10 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: changed genericname and other stuff | 10:10 |
| \sh | well...I wonder if kppp is capable of doing a connect to a ipx network...which works as well with ppp | 10:11 |
| Tonio_ | \sh: anyhow, internet and networking is different | 10:13 |
| \sh | yes | 10:13 |
| Tonio_ | so if I follow you, internet menu should contain applications that are not designed for internet usage | 10:13 |
| Tonio_ | kppp can be used accross a ras connection for example | 10:13 |
| Tonio_ | that's not internet specific | 10:13 |
| Tonio_ | amule or kopete are internet speciic softwares | 10:14 |
| Tonio_ | konversation too | 10:14 |
| Tonio_ | but not bluetooth | 10:14 |
| Tonio_ | so what is the best ? making a Network root menu ? | 10:14 |
| Tonio_ | that makes sense, but isn't kde standard | 10:14 |
| \sh | Tonio_: internet menu should contain only applications which has a meaning to internet...but tools connecting to a network are not used only for internet stuff | 10:14 |
| Tonio_ | \sh: this is a kde relative problem | 10:15 |
| Tonio_ | \sh: to have an application in the "internet" menu, categories have to refer "Network" | 10:15 |
| Tonio_ | stupid but that's it | 10:15 |
| Tonio_ | best would be that KDE makes a difference there | 10:16 |
| \sh | best would be kde and gnome would set a standard | 10:17 |
| Tonio_ | \sh: best would be no computer in fact..... no problems :) | 10:18 |
| Tonio_ | \sh: fancy making like windows ? Program category only ? | 10:18 |
| \sh | no computer no fun | 10:18 |
| Tonio_ | \sh: their menu is logic at least :) | 10:18 |
| \sh | is it ? | 10:18 |
| Tonio_ | all programs are "program" relative | 10:18 |
| \sh | i don't think so :) | 10:18 |
| Tonio_ | \sh: sure :) | 10:19 |
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| \sh | System/Network is more logic for network tools | 10:19 |
| Tonio_ | \sh: yes, but that doesn't exist so.... | 10:19 |
| Tonio_ | let's back it in system | 10:19 |
| Riddell | Lure: hmm? | 10:26 |
| Riddell | \sh: nobody is packaging the qt 4 python extensions as far as I know, I think you were asking that the other night | 10:26 |
| Lure | Riddell: this admin mode password is strange and hard to explain... | 10:26 |
| \sh | Riddell: no...it's been the new sip4/pyqt/pykde stuff for plain qt3 | 10:27 |
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| \sh | pykde new version is fixing some probs with old pykde and 3.5.x | 10:28 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: as knetworkmanager is about to go in main, should we try to get uvfe before, or after ? | 10:28 |
| Tonio_ | I don't want the package update causes an issue in the main inclusion process :) | 10:28 |
| \sh | Riddell: torsten marek informed me about the upates early for debian (they will go next week into unstable) and since doko removed all python2.3-* stuff, we have to do some work on the packages...so I have the packages from torsten already | 10:29 |
| Lure | Tonio_: maybe we need to fix this for VPN: | 10:32 |
| Lure | #define VPN_PATH "/system/networking/vpn_connections" | 10:32 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: hum right | 10:32 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: what should it be according to you ? | 10:33 |
| Lure | Tonio_: not sure - check on your system where openvpn puts stuff | 10:33 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: openvpn puts stuff in /etc/openvpn | 10:33 |
| Tonio_ | but networkmanager uses it's own folder | 10:34 |
| Tonio_ | so it can be anywhere | 10:34 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: anyway, old package has the same setting, and it worked | 10:34 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: _confPath = QDir::homeDirPath() + GCONF_PRE + VPN_PATH; | 10:35 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: that's profile relative, so shouldn't cause any issue | 10:35 |
| \sh | Riddell: btw...are you taking marks plane and just visiting germany for a short while? :) | 10:36 |
| Tonio_ | \sh: may sound stupid, but what "btw" means ? | 10:36 |
| Lure | Tonio_: I think we might have hard time getting UVFe - most of the change is adding networkstatus which we remove then with our patch | 10:36 |
| \sh | by the way :) | 10:37 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: there are resolved bugs, but they where not reported | 10:37 |
| Lure | Tonio_: I do not see many in the diff actually... | 10:37 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: that sucks :) | 10:37 |
| Lure | Tonio_: true - as I like new icons. | 10:38 |
| Tonio_ | \sh: thanks for making me less idiot | 10:38 |
| Lure | Tonio_: we should send our fixes to Timo and ask to release it as 0.1 - then we have good excuse ;-) | 10:38 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: lol | 10:38 |
| \sh | Tonio_: np | 10:38 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: it doesn't make much difference | 10:38 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: one resolved bug for example is auto-reconnect after sleep mode | 10:39 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: nice | 10:39 |
| Riddell | \sh: would they help dapper at all or should they be after dapper | 10:39 |
| Riddell | \sh: yes, I think I'm taking Mark's plane, it's not too clear | 10:39 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: one good point is little diff -> cleaner sources | 10:39 |
| Lure | Tonio_: true, that is in and cleanup of sources is also ok | 10:40 |
| \sh | Riddell: they should help dapper especially for espresso (sorry I can't spell the new name...which makes me an idiot now :)) | 10:40 |
| Lure | Tonio_: there is lot's of ascii() and utf8() addons - I expect this fixes essid with non-ascii chars... | 10:41 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: we can assume yes | 10:41 |
| Riddell | \sh: kamion said none of the Germans could spell it | 10:41 |
| Riddell | \sh: what does it fix? | 10:41 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: anyway, UVF is for Upstream Version | 10:41 |
| Tonio_ | as it is svn stuff, I think it is always good to update | 10:41 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: we should try to get the suse changelog between the two versions | 10:42 |
| Tonio_ | that should be documented somewhere | 10:42 |
| Lure | Tonio_: just get the svn log... | 10:42 |
| \sh | Riddell: upstream said, that the kde3.5.x support is much better...I'll send an email to you with all informations about the fixes for the report... | 10:42 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: changelog is empty for me | 10:43 |
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| \sh | Riddell: the other updated dependencies (sip4-4.4.3 pyqt-3.16) are a used by the new pykde package...so we need to update them as well.. | 10:45 |
| Lure | Tonio_: I meant "svn log" | 10:45 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: ah ;) | 10:47 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: should be hard to follow since they migrate to kde in the meantime :) | 10:47 |
| Lure | Tonio_: frequency stuff is fixed in svn (r526013) | 10:47 |
| Lure | Tonio_: just look in kde svn - initial commit is the version we use currently | 10:48 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: nice, I'll look there then, but for the moment, eating is the priority :) | 10:48 |
| Lure | Tonio_: yes, we should get svn version and not tar+icons | 10:48 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: there is a problem with svn version | 10:49 |
| Tonio_ | I haven't been able to make it build | 10:49 |
| Tonio_ | I can't even make a make admin/Makefile.common | 10:49 |
| Lure | Tonio_: I know - we should nail it down and fix it ;) | 10:49 |
| Lure | I will play with it now | 10:49 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: hum......... too hard for me at least | 10:50 |
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| Riddell | \sh: thanks | 10:52 |
| \sh | Riddell: np | 10:53 |
| \sh | brb | 11:06 |
| Lure | Riddell: this one is really reported by many - bug 41865 ;-) | 11:15 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 41865 in ubiquity "kde-ui's get_disk_choices looks at wrong choice list" [Major,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/41865 | 11:15 |
| danimo | Tonio_: if you need someone to commit stuff to knm Subversion, just ask me. Every KDE developer can commit straight to the repo | 11:16 |
| Tonio_ | danimo: great ;) I'll remember this | 11:16 |
| danimo | Tonio_: same is true for riddell btw :) | 11:17 |
| Lure | danimo: true, and I have seen him quite high on KDE SVN commit lists... | 11:17 |
| Lure | (not to mention buzz lists ;-)) | 11:18 |
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| \sh | re | 11:21 |
| \sh | knetworkmanager doesn't start up during session (re)start | 11:21 |
| \sh | strange | 11:21 |
| \sh | Tonio_: your package :) | 11:22 |
| Tonio_ | \sh: it does for me | 11:22 |
| Tonio_ | I tried twice, and I checked before that /usr/share/autostart was empty | 11:23 |
| crimsun | close \sh-bug, reject reason: Works For Me | 11:23 |
| Tonio_ | \sh: did you try on a new profile ? | 11:23 |
| \sh | hmmm...where is the session manager saving the state? | 11:25 |
| \sh | that is the problem | 11:26 |
| \sh | I set session manager to "restore manually saved session" :) | 11:26 |
| Tonio_ | hehe | 11:42 |
| Lure | \sh: any idea how to fix this: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/689333 | 11:46 |
| \sh | wow...now I know from where I know kenneth wimer who is coming to linuxtag :) oxygen icon lol...and I was wondering: "who is this guy" :) | 11:46 |
| Lure | \sh: this is knm from svn | 11:46 |
| \sh | hmmm....-I<directory with additional m4 macros most likely -I./m4> ? | 11:47 |
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| \sh | Lure: check for an m4 macro dir in the sourcetree of knm....and then do a aclocal -I<the dir> | 11:51 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: hehe, you finally have it ? ;) | 11:51 |
| \sh | could also be a new admin dir from kde svn | 11:52 |
| Tonio_ | \sh: I tried to use the kdereview admin folder, same error | 11:52 |
| Lure | \sh: there is no admin dir in knm, teherfore I have taken the one from kde/3.5 | 11:52 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: honnestly, there are about no change and since it is svn and not upstream version, I don't think having the "yesterday" version is important for uvfe | 11:53 |
| Tonio_ | is that needed to spend 3 days debugging something that will maybe work next week ? | 11:53 |
| Tonio_ | to me we shoudn't spend time on this, but well, I'm not a dictator :) | 11:54 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: tried with kdereview root admin folder ? | 11:54 |
| Lure | Tonio_: do not see admin folder there... | 11:55 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: kdereview root ? | 11:55 |
| Lure | http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/kdereview/ | 11:55 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: true.... where did I saw this this morning ? | 11:56 |
| Tonio_ | my brain, before the first coffee, act as ram, not as an hdd ;) | 11:56 |
| Lure | Tonio_: I am using this one: svn co svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/branches/KDE/3.5/kde-common/admin | 11:56 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: yes, it is this one ;) | 11:57 |
| \sh | hmmm...my neighbour is singing again..that's terrible | 11:57 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: latest test : took actual working package, with admin folder etc and overwritten files with svn content | 11:58 |
| Riddell | Lure: ok, thanks | 11:58 |
| Tonio_ | same error when building | 11:58 |
| Tonio_ | \sh: is he training for eurovision ?? ^^ | 11:58 |
| Lure | lol | 11:59 |
| Riddell | Lure: that's not well tested code, none of my machines have more than one hard disk :( | 11:59 |
| \sh | Tonio_: i don't think she will win this contest :0 | 11:59 |
| Tonio_ | \sh: LOL ;) | 11:59 |
| \sh | find . -type f -exec grep -H "_m4_divert_diversion" {} \; ? | 11:59 |
| Lure | Riddell: but as you can see quite common with users - you just plug USB key in and you will have another one... | 12:00 |
| Riddell | Lure: that's an interesting idea | 12:02 |
| \sh | btw...anybody who is visiting LT on the friday, May 5th, please add your keys very fast for the keysigning event :) | 12:02 |
| Lure | Riddell: I had the problem with it when I by accident turned on my USB disk... | 12:02 |
| \sh | http://www.linuxtag.org/2006/de/community/keysigning.html | 12:03 |
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