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| wasabi | synpatic should totally launch dpkg with nice 20 | 12:06 |
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| toresbe | wasabi: I'm not sure it helps much, unless the I/O scheduler takes nice values into consideration | 12:10 |
| toresbe | wasabi: dpkg is far more I/O- than CPU-intensive. | 12:10 |
| wasabi | It helped a bit for me. | 12:11 |
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| mdke_ | evening | 01:00 |
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| bddebian | Howdy peoples | 01:11 |
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| bddebian | Isn't python2.1 supposed to be gone? | 01:52 |
| mdz | bddebian: only if nothing depends on it anymore | 01:57 |
| mdz | (and some things still depend on it) | 01:58 |
| bddebian | 12 of 15 of which are python2.1-xxxx | 02:00 |
| mdz | I think jython or one of the other such weird things is still at 2.1 | 02:00 |
| bddebian | jython and pychecker are the only 2 non-obvious ones I see | 02:02 |
| bddebian | Gah, jython is orphaned in Debian | 02:11 |
| Amaranth | mgalvin: Can I have some of that Ubuntu? :) | 02:20 |
| mgalvin | Amaranth: sure, come on over! plently to go around :) | 02:22 |
| Amaranth | Sure, just let me put some gas in my jet. | 02:22 |
| mgalvin | :) | 02:22 |
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| bddebian | Heya LaserJock | 02:24 |
| LaserJock | hi bddebian | 02:24 |
| bddebian | I say we morgue jython | 02:24 |
| bddebian | Java sucks anyway :-) | 02:24 |
| LaserJock | really? | 02:24 |
| LaserJock | yeah, it is to bad | 02:25 |
| bddebian | Last official release was 2001 | 02:25 |
| LaserJock | well, I use Fortran77 so... | 02:25 |
| bddebian | Fortran r0x :-) | 02:25 |
| LaserJock | heck yeah, but I'm getting more into Python now | 02:26 |
| bddebian | mdz: If we morgued jython and ripped python2.1 out of pychecker, you think we could morgue python2.1* ? | 02:26 |
| LaserJock | bddebian: does jython depend on python2.1? | 02:27 |
| bddebian | LaserJock: Yes and only 2.1 :-( | 02:27 |
| LaserJock | ouch | 02:27 |
| mgalvin | on that note... how about sending fam to the morgue... i had a co-worker try to install it which tried to remove ubuntu-desktop, gamin replaces it anyway | 02:28 |
| mgalvin | Bug #41957 | 02:28 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 41957 in fam "fam tries to remove ubuntu-desktop" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/41957 | 02:28 |
| bddebian | There is a 2.2a of jython listsed on sourceforge but its in .jar format :-( | 02:28 |
| bddebian | mgalvin: Oh, that's ugly | 02:29 |
| mgalvin | yea very | 02:29 |
| bddebian | I get the same result :-( | 02:30 |
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| bddebian | Hmm, there is a new release in Debian though | 02:32 |
| mgalvin | i have another oddity too, try installing nagios-pgsql on ubuntu-server, it will try to install laptop-detect (gotta file a bug on that) | 02:32 |
| bddebian | Hang on, let me hit my server installed machine | 02:32 |
| bddebian | Hmm shix, laptop-detect is already on that machine?? :-( | 02:35 |
| bddebian | And trying to remove that sucker tries to remove everything too | 02:36 |
| mgalvin | hehe, lemme see if reproduce it here | 02:36 |
| mdz | bddebian: if doko agrees that jython should be removed, and someone is willing to rip out the 2.1 support from python2.1-*, sure | 02:37 |
| mgalvin | bddebian: na its already installed on my machine too, i am downloading a -server daily now so i will try it again in a bit | 02:38 |
| bddebian | mdz: If pychecker is in universe I'll rip it out | 02:41 |
| bddebian | doko: ping? | 02:41 |
| mdz | bddebian: if it depends on 2.1, it must be in universe (since python2.1 is) | 02:42 |
| bddebian | Oh heh | 02:43 |
| bddebian | mdz: Would I be safe in doing that now anyway or would that be a no-no? | 02:44 |
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| mdz | pychecker doesn't seem to be an issue; it just has a weird alternative dependency for some reason (it should just depend on python) | 02:46 |
| mdz | as for the modules, if jython is dead then they're of little use | 02:47 |
| mdz | I did discuss this with doko earlier in the release cycle, and he seemed to believe that jython might be resurrected, so we didn't ditch 2.1 at that time | 02:47 |
| mdz | it would be worthwhile to get his opinion before starting | 02:47 |
| bddebian | OK, I'll go back to other bugs then | 02:49 |
| bddebian | Egads, why are we so far behind on libmailtools-perl? | 02:50 |
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| zul | heylo | 03:32 |
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| bddebian | What's the best way to tell if a package has been morgued or removed from Ubuntu? | 03:54 |
| bddebian | apt-cache madison and apt-cache policy both puke for psemu-video-x11 is that enough to say that it isn't there? | 03:56 |
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| zul | bddebian: whats dholbach said about subscribing dead packages to? | 04:04 |
| bddebian | zul: I have been sending them to ubuntu-archive :-) | 04:06 |
| zul | okie dokie | 04:06 |
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| lifeless | wow, quiet today | 05:08 |
| lifeless | ogra: screen saver seems copacetic now | 05:08 |
| zul | yeah it is lifeless | 05:09 |
| bddebian | haha | 05:10 |
| bddebian | Heya lifeless | 05:11 |
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| bddebian | OK, my network is REALLY starting to piss me off | 05:13 |
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| bddebian | Heya tritium | 05:22 |
| tritium | hello bddebian. how are you? | 05:23 |
| bddebian | OK man, you? | 05:24 |
| tritium | Doing well, thanks. | 05:24 |
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| zyga | hello | 09:08 |
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| Tonio_ | hello | 10:44 |
| slomo__ | Diziet: ping? | 10:48 |
| G0SUB | infinity: ping | 10:50 |
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| sivang | morning all | 11:01 |
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| zyga | morning sivang | 12:55 |
| zyga | morning mvo | 12:55 |
| mvo | hello zyga! | 12:56 |
| vlad | I would like to ask a general question: is it good to have buttons bound to 1 accelerator key (&Close, &Custom...) in 1 dialog? | 12:58 |
| vlad | I mean 2 buttons bound to 1 key. | 12:59 |
| zyga | guys, what should I do when dpkg-divert actions are broken, any policy hints on how to proceed? | 01:02 |
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| nomed | Kamion, around ? | 01:06 |
| nomed | what's the casper bzr i should monitor ? | 01:07 |
| nomed | ubiquity ? | 01:07 |
| nomed | or it may change | 01:07 |
| TheMuso | nomed: If you want to monitor casper itself, you want http://people.ubuntu.com/~tfheen/bzr/casper/trunk | 01:11 |
| TheMuso | ubiquity's bzr tree can likely be found in Kamion's bzr archives. | 01:11 |
| nomed | TheMuso, yep | 01:11 |
| nomed | but Kamion has many branches .. | 01:12 |
| nomed | from what i've seen it seems he's working on casper-ubiquity | 01:12 |
| TheMuso | Right. | 01:13 |
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| zyga | what is casper and ubiquity? | 01:16 |
| TheMuso | casper sets up the live CD at boot. | 01:17 |
| TheMuso | ubiquity is the new name for the Ubuntu Live CD GUI installer. | 01:17 |
| zyga | ah | 01:17 |
| zyga | I thought that was some experimental bzr branch | 01:18 |
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| lool | hi there, is there a place for casper's upstream source or is it simply the Ubuntu archive? (the package is native, and the copyright lists no URL) | 02:00 |
| crimsun | in the archive, yes | 02:01 |
| lool | ok, thanks | 02:01 |
| nomed | lool, cd casper | 02:03 |
| nomed | bzr log | 02:03 |
| lool | nomed: I'm looking at the binary deb right now, not at the source package | 02:03 |
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| highvoltage | hi vuntz | 02:09 |
| highvoltage | how are things with pessulus? | 02:09 |
| vuntz | hi highvoltage | 02:10 |
| vuntz | there's a nice little patch in bugzilla to allow some extensions | 02:11 |
| vuntz | and I hope there'll be a SoC project for GNOME lockdown | 02:11 |
| vuntz | so all in all, I think things are going well :-) | 02:11 |
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| highvoltage | hehe. kids working on code that will be used to lock them down at school :) | 02:11 |
| highvoltage | nice, good to hear. | 02:12 |
| _ion | highvoltage: Well, that's a good way to get a backdoor in. ;-) | 02:13 |
| highvoltage | _ion: OMG, you read minds!? | 02:14 |
| highvoltage | :p | 02:14 |
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| darius_ | http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/dapper/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2: MD5Sum mismatch | 02:20 |
| darius_ | http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/dapper/multiverse/binary-i386/Packages.bz2: MD5Sum mismatch | 02:20 |
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| Nafallo | hi all :-) | 02:23 |
| Nafallo | anyone with main rights want to fix a bug (debdiff attached)? | 02:23 |
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| Znarl | darius_ : That will be fixed in a few minutes. | 02:27 |
| darius_ | great, thanx | 02:27 |
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| Znarl | darius_ : Fixed now. | 02:35 |
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| Lure_ | Kamion: sorry - I think I am doing bug triage on same bugs as you... ;-) | 02:50 |
| mdke | jdub: ping | 03:02 |
| mdke | smurf: ping | 03:02 |
| Kamion | nomed: I have some random branches, but Tollef's trunk branch is the master one | 03:05 |
| Kamion | Lure_: as long as you don't mark bugs as duplicates when they aren't, I don't mind ;-) | 03:05 |
| jdub | mdke: pong | 03:05 |
| Kamion | you seem to be reasonably good at checking the tracebacks though | 03:05 |
| Kamion | Lure_: I was a bit worried about the crash bugs you closed because it worked for you now, since there was no detail about exactly what the crashes were | 03:06 |
| Kamion | I'd have preferred to get explicit confirmation with beta 2 | 03:06 |
| Kamion | Lure_: at this point I am much less worried about having lots of spurious bugs open than I am about missing a crash case, so in general I'd prefer to err on the side of leaving bugs open | 03:06 |
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| Kamion | obvious duplicates are fine of course | 03:07 |
| Lure_ | Kamion: ok, point taken - those were the crash caused by dialog bug in PyKDE which Riddell fixed for Beta2 | 03:07 |
| Kamion | Lure_: ... probably | 03:07 |
| Kamion | I mean, you're probably right, it's just hard to be sure :) | 03:07 |
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| Lure_ | Kamion: agree - will request confirmation in future and mark as Needs Info | 03:08 |
| mdke | jdub: great. Can you look for a mail from Christer Edwards, it seems he has been waiting for some weeks for a mailing list for his locoteam (utah) | 03:08 |
| jdub | mdke: yeah, saw | 03:09 |
| jdub | thanks | 03:09 |
| mdke | jdub: thanks | 03:09 |
| mdke | jdub: you subscribe to loco-contacts? | 03:10 |
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| jdub | mdke: yeah | 03:12 |
| mdke | jdub: ah good. Perhaps that should be made the place for people to request mailing lists? | 03:12 |
| jdub | mdke: it's done in RT | 03:14 |
| Kamion | Lure_: noting for instance bug 41883 which looks very similar log-wise but postdates Jonathan's dialog fix | 03:14 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 41883 in ubiquity "Kubuntu 6.06 Beta 2 Live installer crashes in language selection" [Normal,Needs info] http://launchpad.net/bugs/41883 | 03:14 |
| jdub | mdke: (and mailman is directed there) | 03:14 |
| jdub | except it's screwed with spam atm :| | 03:14 |
| mdke | jdub: well, that's not generally known. I'm thinking it would be good to have a place for new locos to go and ask for a list. loco-contacts would fit the bill | 03:15 |
| jdub | mdke: it is generally known and documented | 03:15 |
| Lure_ | Kamion: right, this seems like pykde bug (maybe another left use of that dialog?), but the other two were on the same step and on Beta1 | 03:15 |
| mdke | jdub: if you say so :-( | 03:16 |
| Lure_ | Kamion: but you are right about being cautions, but we need to tell them at least to try again with Beta2 | 03:16 |
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| mdke | jdub: currently the wiki says to email you | 03:17 |
| jdub | mdke: i changed all references i found when we switched - if you find others, please change them | 03:17 |
| jdub | mdke: mailman@lists.ubuntu.com | 03:17 |
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| mdke | jdub: there is only one page which documents setting up a locoteam to my knowledge. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamHowto | 03:18 |
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| G0SUB | infinity: back? | 03:32 |
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| jdub | mdke: having moved from pyblosxom to wordpress, i really recommend it :-) | 03:42 |
| mdke | jdub: I kinda wanted to avoid mysql... so far pyblosxom seems really rather nice. What were your reasons for moving away? | 03:42 |
| jdub | mdke: (i stuck with pyblosxom for so long, because i knew i could hold out for something to migrate to, and when i did, it would be harder to migrate away from pretty much anything other than pyblosxom) | 03:42 |
| jdub | wanted something a bit less DIY | 03:43 |
| jdub | but was happy with DIY until i found something worth moving to ;) | 03:43 |
| mdke | ah, fair enough. I'll try the DIY, and see how much I can reduce it with plugins | 03:44 |
| mdke | installing it wasn't much hassle | 03:44 |
| jdub | it's pretty sweet | 03:47 |
| jdub | http://www.gnome.org/~jdub/2003/sweetpyblosxomhacks/ | 03:47 |
| mdke | oh, i see: you're recommending pyblosxom, rather than wordpress? even better :) | 03:47 |
| jdub | ^ some stuff i used | 03:47 |
| jdub | oh, i liked it, but i use wp now | 03:47 |
| mdke | gotcha | 03:48 |
| mdke | well, about an hour after posting to planet about wanting to migrate, some guy replied with a script | 03:48 |
| mdke | gotta love planet | 03:48 |
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| jdub | yay lazyweb ;) | 03:48 |
| highvoltage | mdke: watch out for things like spam protection, i moved to wordpress yesterday because it became too big a job to remove spam from my old blog | 03:48 |
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| mdke | I might keep em off too. there's a "contact" tab on my website | 03:50 |
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| Kamion | damn, not here | 04:34 |
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| freeflying | Kamion: attach syslog to bug 42024 | 04:43 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 42024 in grub-installer "Fail to install grub if you choose Chinese when you install beta2" [Major,Needs info] http://launchpad.net/bugs/42024 | 04:43 |
| G0SUB | can somebody review the spec I wrote for a SAMBA GUI config tool? | 04:44 |
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| Kamion | freeflying: I read mail, no need to tell me by IRC as well, thanks | 04:49 |
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| freeflying | Kamion: got it, sorry for bothering u :) | 04:50 |
| G0SUB | Kamion: what's the standard way of proposing a new spec? | 04:50 |
| Kamion | G0SUB: no idea | 04:51 |
| jsgotangco | create a spec page in launchpad | 04:52 |
| Kamion | sure, but I have no idea what the usual process for going through those at the start of a conference is | 04:52 |
| jsgotangco | ah right | 04:52 |
| Kamion | I assumed G0SUB meant proposing it for consideration by the core development team | 04:52 |
| G0SUB | yes | 04:52 |
| Kamion | otherwise just do it as jsgotangco say | 04:52 |
| Kamion | s | 04:52 |
| jsgotangco | G0SUB: if the spec is worth discussing it'll get easily noticed by core dev for sure | 04:53 |
| jsgotangco | just look at live support chat page | 04:53 |
| G0SUB | infinity told me that he will review it before I propose it officially, but I guess he got busy | 04:53 |
| G0SUB | jsgotangco: hmm, right | 04:53 |
| G0SUB | jsgotangco: the spec is ready https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GUISambaConfigSpec | 04:54 |
| G0SUB | Kamion: can you tell me who is handling Google Summer of Code in Ubuntu? | 04:57 |
| Kamion | G0SUB: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2006-April/000070.html | 04:59 |
| G0SUB | well, I wanted to know who are mentoring ... | 05:00 |
| Kamion | the above mail says "Feel free to contact me if you require any further information." | 05:00 |
| jsgotangco | you'll get better answers from JaneW | 05:00 |
| Kamion | it doesn't say "Feel free to contact anyone on #ubuntu-devel" ;-) | 05:00 |
| G0SUB | Kamion: heh, sorry :) | 05:01 |
| G0SUB | but the mentors would be the people hanging around here ... so I asked. :) | 05:01 |
| Kamion | JaneW is the coordinator, contact her | 05:02 |
| G0SUB | okay. | 05:02 |
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| doko | infinity, Kamion: please could ack new -l10n and -help OOo binary packages from NEW? | 05:27 |
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| infinity | G0SUB: Not so much that I got busy as it's a weekend, and I'm attempting to practice some work/computer avoidance for the sake of my sanity. | 06:20 |
| infinity | G0SUB: It's not really so urgent that it can't wait until Monday, so I'll poke you about it then. | 06:21 |
| pitti | infinity: despite that you're still awake late :) | 06:21 |
| infinity | Shush. I'm going to bed right now. | 06:21 |
| infinity | (being dragged would be a more accurate description) | 06:21 |
| ivoks | pitti: i would like to work on spec for easy printing sharing | 06:22 |
| ivoks | pitti: (the one you started) | 06:22 |
| pitti | infinity: sleep well | 06:22 |
| pitti | ivoks: yay | 06:22 |
| ivoks | pitti: but last change i did on that wiki was erased | 06:22 |
| ivoks | (i'm not sure how the thing with specs go...) | 06:22 |
| G0SUB | infinity: oh, okay. no problems :) | 06:23 |
| === Chipzz grins | ||
| Chipzz | "BOFH Excuse #441: Hash table has woodworm" | 06:27 |
| Chipzz | :P | 06:27 |
| sladen | Hash table has the munches | 06:27 |
| sfllaw | Ah yes. The munchies. | 06:29 |
| mdke | mmmmm food | 06:30 |
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| Kamion | doko: when I'm back at work | 06:42 |
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| zul | heylo | 06:46 |
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| nomed | Kamion, ping | 07:22 |
| nomed | is there any part of ubiquity where the username is hardcoded ? | 07:22 |
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| Arvin | salut | 07:22 |
| Arvin | est ce qu'on peut garder son /home breezy s'il ont veux installer Dapper beta2? | 07:22 |
| nomed | i suppose there is not .. but just to be sure | 07:23 |
| nomed | well .. and i mean livecd username | 07:24 |
| mdke | Arvin: #ubuntu-fr? | 07:25 |
| Arvin | oui je sais | 07:25 |
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| Lathiat | is it just me - or does the beta2 installer, after copying all the .debs off the cd | 07:26 |
| Lathiat | extract the templates from the packages off the cd rather than on the hdd | 07:26 |
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| joelbryan | anyone have problems with the netstatus applet not working correctly? | 07:26 |
| joelbryan | I just filed a bug that fix that, Bug #42100 | 07:29 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 42100 in ubuntu-meta ubuntu-desktop "Fix the wrong device registered in netstatus applet, and automatically set it to the first working network connection." [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/42100 | 07:29 |
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| bmonty | do I need to get the archive team involved to remove a binary package from the archive after I have uploaded a new source package that eliminates the binary? | 07:56 |
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| crimsun | bmonty: traditionally I've asked Kamion to remove a package, not sure if wiki/DeveloperResources has updated info on protocol | 07:59 |
| bmonty | thanks crimsun | 07:59 |
| Laser_away | bmonty: yeah, file a bug and subscribe archive team | 08:01 |
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| robertj | hey all, has anyone here experienced fading to black while in a full-screen OpenGL game? | 08:07 |
| robertj | it happens even while playing | 08:08 |
| Nafallo | robertj: could be the screensaver kicking in. there are numerous bugreports on launchpad about that. | 08:08 |
| robertj | Nafallo: that's what I thought | 08:08 |
| Nafallo | is /dev/md0p1 supposed to be automagically created when I add it to the partition table or do I have to do something else? like... file a bug? :-) | 08:09 |
| wasabi_ | Hmmm. Something has made vmware kernel module compile break. | 08:15 |
| wasabi_ | include/asm/alternative.h:7: error: syntax error before u8 | 08:15 |
| wasabi_ | heh | 08:15 |
| robertj | btw, does anyone think it's kinda silly that we export home directories via samba default & read only? | 08:31 |
| === robertj files bug #42110 | ||
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 42110 in samba "home directories should be writable by default" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/42110 | 08:36 |
| Nafallo | robertj: ehrm, last time I installed samba they where if you logged in with the correct user. | 08:41 |
| Nafallo | (I think) | 08:41 |
| robertj | Nafallo: my install isn't too old | 08:41 |
| Nafallo | robertj: I'll do one now and see... | 08:42 |
| robertj | Nafallo: I can take a look in the src | 08:43 |
| robertj | oh default is in /usr/share/samba/smb.conf anyway | 08:45 |
| robertj | and writable is still no | 08:45 |
| Nafallo | robertj: hmm, right. | 08:45 |
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| robertj | rcorsairsuray | 09:10 |
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| \sh | moins | 09:24 |
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| robertj | cats... | 09:53 |
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| mxpxpod | does anyone here have network manager working on an airport extreme? | 10:41 |
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| bddebian | Hello | 10:57 |
| bddebian | Kamion: ping? | 10:58 |
| sivang | hey bddebian | 10:59 |
| bddebian | Heya sivang | 10:59 |
| sivang | bddebian: what's up? how things are breaking? :) | 11:00 |
| bddebian | sivang: I guess I am irritating Kamion.. | 11:00 |
| sivang | bddebian: so did I , with my buggings about getting upbackup out of NEW :) | 11:00 |
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| zul_ | bddebian: i think several people were :) | 11:07 |
| nictuku | bug #41123 fix was not released yet. I wonder why | 11:11 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 41123 in smart "wrong default channel for dapper " [Normal,Fix committed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/41123 | 11:11 |
| nictuku | it's been a few days already | 11:11 |
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| bddebian | nictuku: I uploaded that, is it not there? | 11:15 |
| nictuku | no but let me check again | 11:17 |
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| bddebian | Hmm, you're right, it's not there | 11:18 |
| nictuku | bddebian, yeah it's not | 11:19 |
| bddebian | nictuku: Doing it now | 11:20 |
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| bddebian | Heya sfllaw, your highness :-) | 11:53 |
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