[12:06] <wasabi> synpatic should totally launch dpkg with nice 20
[12:10] <toresbe> wasabi: I'm not sure it helps much, unless the I/O scheduler takes nice values into consideration
[12:10] <toresbe> wasabi: dpkg is far more I/O- than CPU-intensive.
[12:11] <wasabi> It helped a bit for me.
[01:00] <mdke_> evening
[01:11] <bddebian> Howdy peoples
[01:52] <bddebian> Isn't python2.1 supposed to be gone?
[01:57] <mdz> bddebian: only if nothing depends on it anymore
[01:58] <mdz> (and some things still depend on it)
[02:00] <bddebian> 12 of 15 of which are python2.1-xxxx
[02:00] <mdz> I think jython or one of the other such weird things is still at 2.1
[02:02] <bddebian> jython and pychecker are the only 2 non-obvious ones I see
[02:11] <bddebian> Gah, jython is orphaned in Debian
[02:20] <Amaranth> mgalvin: Can I have some of that Ubuntu? :)
[02:22] <mgalvin> Amaranth: sure, come on over! plently to go around :)
[02:22] <Amaranth> Sure, just let me put some gas in my jet.
[02:22] <mgalvin> :)
[02:24] <bddebian> Heya LaserJock
[02:24] <LaserJock> hi bddebian 
[02:24] <bddebian> I say we morgue jython
[02:24] <bddebian> Java sucks anyway :-)
[02:24] <LaserJock> really?
[02:25] <LaserJock> yeah, it is to bad
[02:25] <bddebian> Last official release was 2001
[02:25] <LaserJock> well, I use Fortran77 so...
[02:25] <bddebian> Fortran r0x :-)
[02:26] <LaserJock> heck yeah, but I'm getting more into Python now
[02:26] <bddebian> mdz: If we morgued jython and ripped python2.1 out of pychecker, you think we could morgue python2.1* ?
[02:27] <LaserJock> bddebian: does jython depend on python2.1?
[02:27] <bddebian> LaserJock: Yes and only 2.1 :-(
[02:27] <LaserJock> ouch
[02:28] <mgalvin> on that note... how about sending fam to the morgue... i had a co-worker try to install it which tried to remove ubuntu-desktop, gamin replaces it anyway
[02:28] <mgalvin> Bug #41957
[02:28] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 41957 in fam "fam tries to remove ubuntu-desktop" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/41957
[02:28] <bddebian> There is a 2.2a of jython listsed on sourceforge but its in .jar format :-(
[02:29] <bddebian> mgalvin: Oh, that's ugly
[02:29] <mgalvin> yea very
[02:30] <bddebian> I get the same result :-(
[02:32] <bddebian> Hmm, there is a new release in Debian though
[02:32] <mgalvin> i have another oddity too, try installing nagios-pgsql on ubuntu-server, it will try to install laptop-detect (gotta file a bug on that)
[02:32] <bddebian> Hang on, let me hit my server installed machine
[02:35] <bddebian> Hmm shix, laptop-detect is already on that machine?? :-(
[02:36] <bddebian> And trying to remove that sucker tries to remove everything too
[02:36] <mgalvin> hehe, lemme see if reproduce it here
[02:37] <mdz> bddebian: if doko agrees that jython should be removed, and someone is willing to rip out the 2.1 support from python2.1-*, sure
[02:38] <mgalvin> bddebian: na its already installed on my machine too, i am downloading a -server daily now so i will try it again in a bit
[02:41] <bddebian> mdz: If pychecker is in universe I'll rip it out
[02:41] <bddebian> doko: ping?
[02:42] <mdz> bddebian: if it depends on 2.1, it must be in universe (since python2.1 is)
[02:43] <bddebian> Oh heh
[02:44] <bddebian> mdz: Would I be safe in doing that now anyway or would that be a no-no?
[02:46] <mdz> pychecker doesn't seem to be an issue; it just has a weird alternative dependency for some reason (it should just depend on python)
[02:47] <mdz> as for the modules, if jython is dead then they're of little use
[02:47] <mdz> I did discuss this with doko earlier in the release cycle, and he seemed to believe that jython might be resurrected, so we didn't ditch 2.1 at that time
[02:47] <mdz> it would be worthwhile to get his opinion before starting
[02:49] <bddebian> OK, I'll go back to other bugs then
[02:50] <bddebian> Egads, why are we so far behind on libmailtools-perl?
[03:32] <zul> heylo
[03:54] <bddebian> What's the best way to tell if a package has been morgued or removed from Ubuntu?
[03:56] <bddebian> apt-cache madison and apt-cache policy both puke for psemu-video-x11 is that enough to say that it isn't there?
[04:04] <zul> bddebian: whats dholbach said about subscribing dead packages to?
[04:06] <bddebian> zul: I have been sending them to ubuntu-archive :-)
[04:06] <zul> okie dokie
[05:08] <lifeless> wow, quiet today
[05:08] <lifeless> ogra: screen saver seems copacetic now
[05:09] <zul> yeah it is lifeless
[05:10] <bddebian> haha
[05:11] <bddebian> Heya lifeless
[05:13] <bddebian> OK, my network is REALLY starting to piss me off
[05:22] <bddebian> Heya tritium
[05:23] <tritium> hello bddebian.  how are you?
[05:24] <bddebian> OK man, you?
[05:24] <tritium> Doing well, thanks.
[09:08] <zyga> hello
[10:44] <Tonio_> hello
[10:48] <slomo__> Diziet: ping?
[10:50] <G0SUB> infinity: ping
[11:01] <sivang> morning all
[12:55] <zyga> morning sivang
[12:55] <zyga> morning mvo
[12:56] <mvo> hello zyga!
[12:58] <vlad> I would like to ask a general question: is it good to have buttons bound to 1 accelerator key (&Close, &Custom...) in 1 dialog?
[12:59] <vlad> I mean 2 buttons bound to 1 key.
[01:02] <zyga> guys, what should I do when dpkg-divert actions are broken, any policy hints on how to proceed?
[01:06] <nomed> Kamion, around ?
[01:07] <nomed> what's the casper bzr i should monitor ?
[01:07] <nomed> ubiquity ?
[01:07] <nomed> or it may change 
[01:11] <TheMuso> nomed: If you want to monitor casper itself, you want http://people.ubuntu.com/~tfheen/bzr/casper/trunk
[01:11] <TheMuso> ubiquity's bzr tree can likely be found in Kamion's bzr archives.
[01:11] <nomed> TheMuso, yep 
[01:12] <nomed> but Kamion has many branches ..
[01:12] <nomed> from what i've seen it seems he's working on casper-ubiquity
[01:13] <TheMuso> Right.
[01:16] <zyga> what is casper and ubiquity?
[01:17] <TheMuso> casper sets up the live CD at boot.
[01:17] <TheMuso> ubiquity is the new name for the Ubuntu Live CD GUI installer.
[01:17] <zyga> ah
[01:18] <zyga> I thought that was some experimental bzr branch
[02:00] <lool> hi there, is there a place for casper's upstream source or is it simply the Ubuntu archive?  (the package is native, and the copyright lists no URL)
[02:01] <crimsun> in the archive, yes
[02:01] <lool> ok, thanks
[02:03] <nomed> lool, cd casper
[02:03] <nomed> bzr log
[02:03] <lool> nomed: I'm looking at the binary deb right now, not at the source package
[02:09] <highvoltage> hi vuntz 
[02:09] <highvoltage> how are things with pessulus?
[02:10] <vuntz> hi highvoltage
[02:11] <vuntz> there's a nice little patch in bugzilla to allow some extensions
[02:11] <vuntz> and I hope there'll be a SoC project for GNOME lockdown
[02:11] <vuntz> so all in all, I think things are going well :-)
[02:11] <highvoltage> hehe. kids working on code that will be used to lock them down at school :)
[02:12] <highvoltage> nice, good to hear.
[02:13] <_ion> highvoltage: Well, that's a good way to get a backdoor in. ;-)
[02:14] <highvoltage> _ion: OMG, you read minds!?
[02:14] <highvoltage> :p
[02:20] <darius_> http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/dapper/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2: MD5Sum mismatch
[02:20] <darius_> http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/dapper/multiverse/binary-i386/Packages.bz2: MD5Sum mismatch
[02:23] <Nafallo> hi all :-)
[02:23] <Nafallo> anyone with main rights want to fix a bug (debdiff attached)?
[02:27] <Znarl> darius_ : That will be fixed in a few minutes.
[02:27] <darius_> great, thanx
[02:35] <Znarl> darius_ : Fixed now.
[02:50] <Lure_> Kamion: sorry - I think I am doing bug triage on same bugs as you... ;-)
[03:02] <mdke> jdub: ping
[03:02] <mdke> smurf: ping
[03:05] <Kamion> nomed: I have some random branches, but Tollef's trunk branch is the master one
[03:05] <Kamion> Lure_: as long as you don't mark bugs as duplicates when they aren't, I don't mind ;-)
[03:05] <jdub> mdke: pong
[03:05] <Kamion> you seem to be reasonably good at checking the tracebacks though
[03:06] <Kamion> Lure_: I was a bit worried about the crash bugs you closed because it worked for you now, since there was no detail about exactly what the crashes were
[03:06] <Kamion> I'd have preferred to get explicit confirmation with beta 2
[03:06] <Kamion> Lure_: at this point I am much less worried about having lots of spurious bugs open than I am about missing a crash case, so in general I'd prefer to err on the side of leaving bugs open
[03:07] <Kamion> obvious duplicates are fine of course
[03:07] <Lure_> Kamion: ok, point taken - those were the crash caused by dialog bug in PyKDE which Riddell fixed for Beta2
[03:07] <Kamion> Lure_: ... probably
[03:07] <Kamion> I mean, you're probably right, it's just hard to be sure :)
[03:08] <Lure_> Kamion: agree - will request confirmation in future and mark as Needs Info
[03:08] <mdke> jdub: great. Can you look for a mail from Christer Edwards, it seems he has been waiting for some weeks for a mailing list for his locoteam (utah)
[03:09] <jdub> mdke: yeah, saw
[03:09] <jdub> thanks
[03:09] <mdke> jdub: thanks
[03:10] <mdke> jdub: you subscribe to loco-contacts?
[03:12] <jdub> mdke: yeah
[03:12] <mdke> jdub: ah good. Perhaps that should be made the place for people to request mailing lists?
[03:14] <jdub> mdke: it's done in RT
[03:14] <Kamion> Lure_: noting for instance bug 41883 which looks very similar log-wise but postdates Jonathan's dialog fix
[03:14] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 41883 in ubiquity "Kubuntu 6.06 Beta 2 Live installer crashes in language selection" [Normal,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/41883
[03:14] <jdub> mdke: (and mailman is directed there)
[03:14] <jdub> except it's screwed with spam atm :|
[03:15] <mdke> jdub: well, that's not generally known. I'm thinking it would be good to have a place for new locos to go and ask for a list. loco-contacts would fit the bill
[03:15] <jdub> mdke: it is generally known and documented
[03:15] <Lure_> Kamion: right, this seems like pykde bug (maybe another left use of that dialog?), but the other two were on the same step and on Beta1
[03:16] <mdke> jdub: if you say so :-(
[03:16] <Lure_> Kamion: but you are right about being cautions, but we need to tell them at least to try again with Beta2 
[03:17] <mdke> jdub: currently the wiki says to email you
[03:17] <jdub> mdke: i changed all references i found when we switched - if you find others, please change them
[03:17] <jdub> mdke: mailman@lists.ubuntu.com
[03:18] <mdke> jdub: there is only one page which documents setting up a locoteam to my knowledge. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamHowto
[03:32] <G0SUB> infinity: back?
[03:42] <jdub> mdke: having moved from pyblosxom to wordpress, i really recommend it :-)
[03:42] <mdke> jdub: I kinda wanted to avoid mysql... so far pyblosxom seems really rather nice. What were your reasons for moving away?
[03:42] <jdub> mdke: (i stuck with pyblosxom for so long, because i knew i could hold out for something to migrate to, and when i did, it would be harder to migrate away from pretty much anything other than pyblosxom)
[03:43] <jdub> wanted something a bit less DIY
[03:43] <jdub> but was happy with DIY until i found something worth moving to ;)
[03:44] <mdke> ah, fair enough. I'll try the DIY, and see how much I can reduce it with plugins
[03:44] <mdke> installing it wasn't much hassle
[03:47] <jdub> it's pretty sweet
[03:47] <jdub> http://www.gnome.org/~jdub/2003/sweetpyblosxomhacks/
[03:47] <mdke> oh, i see: you're recommending pyblosxom, rather than wordpress? even better :)
[03:47] <jdub> ^ some stuff i used
[03:47] <jdub> oh, i liked it, but i use wp now
[03:48] <mdke> gotcha
[03:48] <mdke> well, about an hour after posting to planet about wanting to migrate, some guy replied with a script
[03:48] <mdke> gotta love planet
[03:48] <jdub> yay lazyweb ;)
[03:48] <highvoltage> mdke: watch out for things like spam protection, i moved to wordpress yesterday because it became too big a job to remove spam from my old blog
[03:50] <mdke> I might keep em off too. there's a "contact" tab on my website
[04:34] <Kamion> damn, not here
[04:43] <freeflying> Kamion: attach syslog to bug 42024
[04:43] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 42024 in grub-installer "Fail to install grub if you choose Chinese when you install beta2" [Major,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/42024
[04:44] <G0SUB> can somebody review the spec I wrote for a SAMBA GUI config tool?
[04:49] <Kamion> freeflying: I read mail, no need to tell me by IRC as well, thanks
[04:50] <freeflying> Kamion: got it, sorry for bothering u :)
[04:50] <G0SUB> Kamion: what's the standard way of proposing a new spec?
[04:51] <Kamion> G0SUB: no idea
[04:52] <jsgotangco> create a spec page in launchpad
[04:52] <Kamion> sure, but I have no idea what the usual process for going through those at the start of a conference is
[04:52] <jsgotangco> ah right
[04:52] <Kamion> I assumed G0SUB meant proposing it for consideration by the core development team
[04:52] <G0SUB> yes
[04:52] <Kamion> otherwise just do it as jsgotangco say
[04:52] <Kamion> s
[04:53] <jsgotangco> G0SUB: if the spec is worth discussing it'll get easily noticed by core dev for sure
[04:53] <jsgotangco> just look at live support chat page
[04:53] <G0SUB> infinity told me that he will review it before I propose it officially, but I guess he got busy
[04:53] <G0SUB> jsgotangco: hmm, right
[04:54] <G0SUB> jsgotangco: the spec is ready https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GUISambaConfigSpec
[04:57] <G0SUB> Kamion: can you tell me who is handling Google Summer of Code in Ubuntu?
[04:59] <Kamion> G0SUB: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2006-April/000070.html
[05:00] <G0SUB> well, I wanted to know who are mentoring ...
[05:00] <Kamion> the above mail says "Feel free to contact me if you require any further information."
[05:00] <jsgotangco> you'll get better answers from JaneW
[05:00] <Kamion> it doesn't say "Feel free to contact anyone on #ubuntu-devel" ;-)
[05:01] <G0SUB> Kamion: heh, sorry :)
[05:01] <G0SUB> but the mentors would be the people hanging around here ... so I asked. :)
[05:02] <Kamion> JaneW is the coordinator, contact her
[05:02] <G0SUB> okay.
[05:27] <doko> infinity, Kamion: please could ack new -l10n and -help OOo binary packages from NEW?
[06:20] <infinity> G0SUB: Not so much that I got busy as it's a weekend, and I'm attempting to practice some work/computer avoidance for the sake of my sanity.
[06:21] <infinity> G0SUB: It's not really so urgent that it can't wait until Monday, so I'll poke you about it then.
[06:21] <pitti> infinity: despite that you're still awake late :)
[06:21] <infinity> Shush.  I'm going to bed right now.
[06:21] <infinity> (being dragged would be a more accurate description)
[06:22] <ivoks> pitti: i would like to work on spec for easy printing sharing
[06:22] <ivoks> pitti: (the one you started)
[06:22] <pitti> infinity: sleep well
[06:22] <pitti> ivoks: yay
[06:22] <ivoks> pitti: but last change i did on that wiki was erased
[06:22] <ivoks> (i'm not sure how the thing with specs go...)
[06:23] <G0SUB> infinity: oh, okay. no problems :)
[06:27] <Chipzz> "BOFH Excuse #441: Hash table has woodworm"
[06:27] <Chipzz> :P
[06:27] <sladen> Hash table has the munches
[06:29] <sfllaw> Ah yes.  The munchies.
[06:30] <mdke> mmmmm food
[06:42] <Kamion> doko: when I'm back at work
[06:46] <zul> heylo
[07:22] <nomed> Kamion, ping 
[07:22] <nomed> is there any part of ubiquity where the username is hardcoded ?
[07:22] <Arvin> salut
[07:22] <Arvin> est ce qu'on peut garder son /home breezy s'il ont veux installer Dapper beta2?
[07:23] <nomed> i suppose there is not .. but just to be sure
[07:24] <nomed> well .. and i mean livecd username
[07:25] <mdke> Arvin: #ubuntu-fr?
[07:25] <Arvin> oui je sais
[07:26] <Lathiat> is it just me - or does the beta2 installer, after copying all the .debs off the cd
[07:26] <Lathiat> extract the templates from the packages off the cd rather than on the hdd
[07:26] <joelbryan> anyone have problems with the netstatus applet not working correctly?
[07:29] <joelbryan> I just filed a bug that fix that, Bug #42100
[07:29] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 42100 in ubuntu-meta ubuntu-desktop "Fix the wrong device registered in netstatus applet, and automatically set it to the first working network connection." [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/42100
[07:56] <bmonty> do I need to get the archive team involved to remove a binary package from the archive after I have uploaded a new source package that eliminates the binary?
[07:59] <crimsun> bmonty: traditionally I've asked Kamion to remove a package, not sure if wiki/DeveloperResources has updated info on protocol
[07:59] <bmonty> thanks crimsun
[08:01] <Laser_away> bmonty: yeah, file a bug and subscribe archive team
[08:07] <robertj> hey all, has anyone here experienced fading to black while in a full-screen OpenGL game?
[08:08] <robertj> it happens even while playing
[08:08] <Nafallo> robertj: could be the screensaver kicking in. there are numerous bugreports on launchpad about that.
[08:08] <robertj> Nafallo: that's what I thought
[08:09] <Nafallo> is /dev/md0p1 supposed to be automagically created when I add it to the partition table or do I have to do something else? like... file a bug? :-)
[08:15] <wasabi_> Hmmm. Something has made vmware kernel module compile break.
[08:15] <wasabi_> include/asm/alternative.h:7: error: syntax error before u8
[08:15] <wasabi_>  heh
[08:31] <robertj> btw, does anyone think it's kinda silly that we export home directories via samba default & read only?
[08:36] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 42110 in samba "home directories should be writable by default" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/42110
[08:41] <Nafallo> robertj: ehrm, last time I installed samba they where if you logged in with the correct user.
[08:41] <Nafallo> (I think)
[08:41] <robertj> Nafallo: my install isn't too old
[08:42] <Nafallo> robertj: I'll do one now and see...
[08:43] <robertj> Nafallo: I can take a look in the src
[08:45] <robertj> oh default is in  /usr/share/samba/smb.conf anyway
[08:45] <robertj> and writable is still no
[08:45] <Nafallo> robertj: hmm, right.
[09:10] <robertj> rcorsairsuray
[09:24] <\sh> moins
[09:53] <robertj> cats...
[10:41] <mxpxpod> does anyone here have network manager working on an airport extreme?
[10:57] <bddebian> Hello
[10:58] <bddebian> Kamion: ping?
[10:59] <sivang> hey bddebian 
[10:59] <bddebian> Heya sivang
[11:00] <sivang> bddebian: what's up? how things are breaking? :)
[11:00] <bddebian> sivang: I guess I am irritating Kamion..
[11:00] <sivang> bddebian: so did I , with my buggings about getting upbackup out of NEW :)
[11:07] <zul_> bddebian: i think several people were :)
[11:11] <nictuku> bug #41123 fix was not released yet. I wonder why
[11:11] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 41123 in smart "wrong default channel for dapper " [Normal,Fix committed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/41123
[11:11] <nictuku> it's been a few days already
[11:15] <bddebian> nictuku: I uploaded that, is it not there?
[11:17] <nictuku> no but let me check again
[11:18] <bddebian> Hmm, you're right, it's not there
[11:19] <nictuku> bddebian, yeah it's not
[11:20] <bddebian> nictuku: Doing it now
[11:53] <bddebian> Heya sfllaw, your highness :-)