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| robotgeek | some people just can't get a joke | 12:40 |
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| highvoltage | robotgeek: please share | 12:41 |
| robotgeek | highvoltage: when i replied that i "speelchecked" the wiki page, i get a email saying how i should spellcheck my email | 12:41 |
| highvoltage | hehe | 12:42 |
| robotgeek | well, i'll stick a smiley in there next time, or put it in quotes | 12:42 |
| highvoltage | people are strange. | 12:42 |
| crimsun | nah, just make it even more blaringly obvious that you're being sarcastic ;) | 12:42 |
| highvoltage | they jump to a conclusion and tent to be too lazy to think different scenarios through. | 12:43 |
| robotgeek | well, it was funny. :P | 12:43 |
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| mdke | evening | 01:01 |
| rob | hi mdke | 01:02 |
| mdke | yo | 01:04 |
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| LaserJock | hi mdke | 04:04 |
| mdke | hi LaserJock | 04:05 |
| mgalvin | LaserJock: i was just reading through some of the packaging guide, great job dude! | 04:08 |
| mdke | do any of you use pyblosxom? | 04:09 |
| LaserJock | mgalvin: thank, quite a bit of it was taken from othere peoples work so I can't take complete credit for it | 04:09 |
| mgalvin | still, it has a good flow to it and is easy to read, very nice :) | 04:10 |
| LaserJock | I hope so | 04:10 |
| mgalvin | mdke: nope, i have been using wordpress, works well | 04:11 |
| LaserJock | and I really think that the edgy version will be much better | 04:11 |
| mgalvin | cool, hopefully by then i will be able to get back into more docteam work | 04:11 |
| mdke | mgalvin: I wanted something without having to figure out mysql | 04:11 |
| mgalvin | wordpress is *super simple* to install | 04:12 |
| mgalvin | you don't ever touch mysql directly | 04:12 |
| mgalvin | well, not totally true, i think you need to create a user iirc | 04:13 |
| mgalvin | meh, they all do their job well | 04:13 |
| mdke | pyblosxom is really nice, although the error messages when it fails to work are appallingly opaque | 04:14 |
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| rob | heh | 04:19 |
| rob | sleep deprivation makes you do odd things sometimes | 04:20 |
| LaserJock | ugg, I've been at school 12 hrs now :/ | 04:23 |
| rob | hehe I have a long weekend :) | 04:23 |
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| mdke | here too, it's a holiday on monday | 04:27 |
| rob | Labour day on Monday for us | 04:30 |
| mdke | we don't have any reason for our holidays here | 04:34 |
| mdke | in some places they celebrate stuff, religious or otherwise | 04:34 |
| mdke | here it's just "meh, can't be arsed" | 04:34 |
| LaserJock | heh, what about that Guy Falks day or something | 04:34 |
| mdke | I'm not sure that's a holiday tho :/ | 04:34 |
| mdke | dunno | 04:34 |
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| robotgeek | hmm, i shud email jdub again, 3rd time is the charm | 05:08 |
| mdke | keep trying, he's hard to track down | 05:10 |
| mdke | ping him incessantly here too | 05:10 |
| robotgeek | i've never found him on irc | 05:10 |
| mdke | heh | 05:11 |
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| mdke | night all | 05:17 |
| robotgeek | night mdke | 05:18 |
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| Madpilot | hi jsgotangco | 05:57 |
| jsgotangco | Madpilot: hi! | 05:57 |
| Madpilot | interesting emails from Mr. Tangye, yes? | 05:58 |
| jsgotangco | Madpilot: part reality, part troll | 05:58 |
| jsgotangco | people expect too much from Ubuntu IMO | 05:58 |
| Madpilot | yeah - the email where he basically says, "I started out offensive to see how people would react" was... entertaining... | 05:59 |
| jsgotangco | i'll have a quick bite | 05:59 |
| jsgotangco | Madpilot: can you look into my Ubuntu Food spec hahahaha | 06:00 |
| Madpilot | huh? | 06:00 |
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| robotgeek | replied to him | 06:00 |
| jsgotangco | its not meant to be taken seriously (the food spec) | 06:00 |
| jsgotangco | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuFoodProductSpecification | 06:00 |
| jsgotangco | although I bet JaneW would want a BOF for this hahaha | 06:01 |
| robotgeek | lol | 06:02 |
| robotgeek | i wonder why people think that someone abuses them, they will be friendly to them. | 06:03 |
| Madpilot | jsgotangco, cool spec! | 06:05 |
| rob | Madpilot, he emailed me off list, I suspect thats why we haven't seen the second and third part yet | 06:05 |
| Madpilot | 2nd part got posted earlier in the part 1 thread, actually | 06:06 |
| rob | ah | 06:06 |
| rob | took him a while at least :) | 06:06 |
| Madpilot | there's also a large addition to the /talk page of the BetterWiki page | 06:07 |
| rob | heh | 06:07 |
| rob | hmm I don't seem to have gotten the 2 part | 06:07 |
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| rob | some crap on "customer focus" though | 06:08 |
| robotgeek | the /talk on betterwikidocs has nice ideas, but there's only so much time in the world :) | 06:10 |
| rob | I think I'm just going to auto-delete email from him if he keeps up the trolling | 06:11 |
| Madpilot | nah, just ask where his patches for the stuff in trunk are ;) | 06:11 |
| Madpilot | you know, the super professional, amazingly complete docs he's going to pull out of... somewhere... to show us amateurs how it's done... | 06:12 |
| jsgotangco | Madpilot: show us the code haha | 06:13 |
| robotgeek | it's like on the forums, "how to make Desktop better" discussion, degrades into a discussion into flash/codecs issue | 06:13 |
| jsgotangco | gahh i really hate firefox | 06:13 |
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| robotgeek | konqueror for everyone. yay! | 06:14 |
| rob | show us the code is exactly right | 06:14 |
| jsgotangco | robotgeek: i've always been an epiphany user but this is a new Beta 2 | 06:14 |
| robotgeek | jsgotangco: hmm, i think i will bite the bullet and download the ubuntu live cd too :P | 06:15 |
| Madpilot | I'm torrenting the Ubuntu Beta2 LiveCD now | 06:15 |
| jsgotangco | robotgeek: the text-install beta 2 didn't change from beta1 | 06:15 |
| jsgotangco | beta 2 is mostly fixes for ubiquity | 06:15 |
| robotgeek | jsgotangco: i havent tried ubuntu dapper at all | 06:16 |
| jsgotangco | robotgeek: doh | 06:16 |
| robotgeek | jsgotangco: where is it on cdimage.ubuntu.com? | 06:19 |
| Madpilot | robotgeek, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2006-April/000072.html | 06:20 |
| robotgeek | thanks Madpilot | 06:20 |
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| jsgotangco | call me old school but I'm sticking to text-install :) | 06:27 |
| Madpilot | heh | 06:27 |
| Madpilot | if I had a spare machine, I'd try espresso/whatever it's called today, but I don't, so... | 06:28 |
| jsgotangco | part 3? | 06:29 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 06:29 |
| Madpilot | "I also plan to address this in part 3." - um, it's a direct effect of the six month release cycle + translation support, there isn't much we can "address", AFAIK... | 06:31 |
| jsgotangco | no i just gave him a reply smackdown for his part 3 | 06:32 |
| Madpilot | that's a polite version of "show us the code" :P | 06:33 |
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| rob | I just shot off something quick along those lines too | 06:33 |
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| rob | umm, mine was right to the point | 06:35 |
| robotgeek | heh, i don't think he's going to come and write docs for us | 06:35 |
| rob | robotgeek, thats the whole point :) | 06:36 |
| rob | eek, stupid spell check | 06:37 |
| robotgeek | well, this is the first such mail i've seen on the list though | 06:37 |
| Madpilot | rob, "coarse" vs "course"? ;) | 06:37 |
| rob | Madpilot, yup | 06:37 |
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| robotgeek | gah, why do all the wiki markups have to be different | 06:43 |
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| jsgotangco | i love this | 06:51 |
| robotgeek | ah, mystery | 06:52 |
| robotgeek | everyone loves suspense. | 06:53 |
| jsgotangco | he speaks as if we're clueless | 06:53 |
| jsgotangco | brb | 06:53 |
| Madpilot | gah, Mr. Tangye becomes more arrogant-sounding with every post... | 06:57 |
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| mgalvin | whoa, hey how did my wifes food get there, hehe :) | 07:01 |
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| mgalvin | it sounds like a soap opera ... answerd in part 3, this is kind of amusing | 07:39 |
| mgalvin | maybe i should stay up for the conclusion | 07:39 |
| jsgotangco | haha | 07:39 |
| mgalvin | hey jerome, hows it going dude | 07:39 |
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| jsgotangco | i finally have a long break from work starting next week :) | 07:39 |
| mgalvin | cool | 07:40 |
| robotgeek | nice, vacation is always nice | 07:40 |
| jsgotangco | the next 2 months would be insteresting | 07:40 |
| robotgeek | from the dept. of redundancy | 07:40 |
| Madpilot | robotgeek, you mean the Dept. of Redundancy Dept.? ;) | 07:44 |
| robotgeek | yeah, that. :) | 07:45 |
| jsgotangco | ive been here since late 2004 and we still get the same kind of email | 07:46 |
| Madpilot | jsgotangco, which "here" are you talking about? | 07:46 |
| jsgotangco | -doc | 07:46 |
| robotgeek | not japanese spam :) | 07:46 |
| Madpilot | the "I can come swaggering in knowing how to solve all your problems" type emails? | 07:47 |
| jsgotangco | Madpilot: that too | 07:47 |
| jsgotangco | robotgeek: the doc list has tons of it heh | 07:47 |
| robotgeek | jsgotangco: we must have nice spam filters | 07:48 |
| robitaille | ubuntu mailing lists have human spam filters :) | 07:49 |
| jsgotangco | we average around 20 - 30 / day for spam involving east asian character sets | 07:50 |
| robitaille | wow...the ubuntu-ca list average a lot less spam email per day....still annoying but not at that level | 07:51 |
| Madpilot | -doc is much better known, the email address is all over the place | 07:53 |
| rob | should have seen the email he just sent to me direct | 07:56 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 07:56 |
| rob | "This is offline, for your own good even if you do not realise it." | 07:56 |
| rob | o k.. | 07:56 |
| jsgotangco | lol | 07:56 |
| jsgotangco | ok time for a break | 07:56 |
| Madpilot | wow | 07:56 |
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| jsgotangco | meet the students i am mentoring | 07:56 |
| jsgotangco | http://www.flickr.com/photos/jsgotangco/136738193/ | 07:56 |
| rob | apparently he has more experience writing documentation than any of us.. | 07:57 |
| rob | or so he says | 07:58 |
| Madpilot | any links to this wonderful documentation? | 07:58 |
| rob | I've asked three times now.. | 07:58 |
| rob | none yet :) | 07:58 |
| Madpilot | jsgotangco, university or HS students? | 07:59 |
| jsgotangco | uni | 07:59 |
| jsgotangco | they look like HS to you? | 07:59 |
| Madpilot | wasn't sure - sometimes I can't tell :P | 08:00 |
| robotgeek | better to ask than to regret :) | 08:00 |
| jsgotangco | 2 of them are uber-python coders at their age | 08:00 |
| Madpilot | ... not going there, robotgeek ;) | 08:00 |
| robotgeek | Madpilot: :) | 08:01 |
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| robotgeek | night folks | 08:58 |
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| mdke | morning | 11:59 |
| mdke | holy shit that is a lot of emails | 12:00 |
| rob | yeah | 12:05 |
| rob | that david guy just doesn't let up | 12:06 |
| mdke | no. | 12:06 |
| rob | I wish he would stop telling us how it should be, and start providing some actual patches instead | 12:07 |
| rob | maybe I ask too much | 12:07 |
| mdke | rob: the best approach is to leave it alone, and see if he will contribute in the long term | 12:08 |
| mdke | don't get personal (see code of conduct) | 12:08 |
| rob | yeah | 12:09 |
| rob | he has been mailing me off list trying to stir me up | 12:09 |
| mdke | it's not difficult to ignore these things | 12:09 |
| rob | "I spent many hours in the last week, reading the Ubuntu web. I am not clueless." | 12:10 |
| rob | kind of sums it up | 12:10 |
| mdke | just avoid replying | 12:10 |
| rob | I did a couple of times, I've stopped now | 12:11 |
| rob | you know me :) | 12:11 |
| mdke | yeah :( | 12:11 |
| mdke | you allow yourself to get a bit too angry ;-) | 12:12 |
| rob | hopefully I'll get my wireless sorted out on my lappy (running Dapper) then maybe I'll poke you to reset my access to svn again | 12:12 |
| rob | going to file a bug report soon I think on it, used to work with Breezy | 12:13 |
| mdke | okay | 12:16 |
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| highvoltage | mdke: your new site looks nicer | 02:03 |
| mdke | highvoltage: thank you. I copied it. | 02:05 |
| highvoltage | :) | 02:05 |
| highvoltage | i've been giving mine a makeover too yesterday. | 02:05 |
| highvoltage | i'll add you to my planet too once you've got your blog into your new site :) | 02:06 |
| mdke | that would be cool, thanks | 02:08 |
| mdke | someone already replied with a script for importing stuff, I love planet Ubuntu | 02:10 |
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| highvoltage | yeah, i like planet ubuntu too. | 02:17 |
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| JanC | hello | 02:46 |
| JanC | someone on #ubuntu-nl complains that the link to limewire in the starterguide at http://help.ubuntu.com/starterguide/C/ch03s06.html#id2529193 doesn't work anymore | 02:46 |
| JanC | and he asks whether this will be updated :) | 02:46 |
| mdke | JanC: hi. We won't update it for the 5.10 guide, but it has been removed in the 6.06 guide | 02:49 |
| JanC | hm, it's not possible or too much work to update the guide? | 02:50 |
| mdke | bit of both | 02:50 |
| mdke | quite a lot of both :) | 02:50 |
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| highvoltage | 5/win 11 | 03:40 |
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| jsgotangco | hi guys | 04:20 |
| mdke | hi jsgotangco | 04:20 |
| jsgotangco | hey mdke :) good morning | 04:20 |
| mdke | morning, how's it going? | 04:20 |
| jsgotangco | ah just went out today and enjoyed saturday with my daughter after having my usual check up | 04:22 |
| jsgotangco | do you have plans to go to france? | 04:22 |
| mdke | nice. | 04:22 |
| mdke | no plans, no. | 04:23 |
| mdke | it's pretty unlikely I will go. maybe for a sneaky weekend | 04:23 |
| jsgotangco | but that's a short plane ride no? | 04:23 |
| mdke | or 2 and a half hours on the train | 04:24 |
| jsgotangco | whoa | 04:24 |
| mdke | yeah, it's close | 04:25 |
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| mdke | can't hurt, if you're free | 04:28 |
| jsgotangco | that's the problem i have no idea haha | 04:28 |
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| jsgotangco | yeah doesn't hurt even though i'm not geographically near hah | 04:29 |
| jsgotangco | highvoltage: i guess it'll mean better edubuntu specs | 04:30 |
| highvoltage | hopefully. | 04:30 |
| jsgotangco | now to improve my Ubuntu Food Product Spec | 04:31 |
| jsgotangco | hah | 04:31 |
| highvoltage | i'm quite keen on expanding to a second cd, ogra doesn't like it much, but i'm sure i'd be able to much better convince him in person. | 04:31 |
| highvoltage | jsgotangco: you are art.ubuntu.com, right? | 04:31 |
| jsgotangco | yeah | 04:31 |
| highvoltage | can we have a gallery there for the food? | 04:32 |
| jsgotangco | doing a miserable job on it though | 04:32 |
| highvoltage | don't be so hard on yourself :) | 04:32 |
| mdke | ah, you've taken over that website? | 04:32 |
| mdke | what plans do you have for it? | 04:32 |
| jsgotangco | i have high-level admin rights on it | 04:33 |
| jsgotangco | i should be doing a spec on it real soon now | 04:33 |
| mdke | COOL | 04:33 |
| mdke | whoops, caps | 04:33 |
| jsgotangco | im also writing a SIP/VoIP spec | 04:33 |
| jsgotangco | mdke: having karma on art would be cool too | 04:34 |
| mdke | yay for karma | 04:35 |
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| highvoltage | yeah, people have been writing specs like crazy lately | 04:35 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 04:35 |
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| jsgotangco | ok i need to reboot to windows to do some opencd hacks | 04:36 |
| jsgotangco | brb | 04:36 |
| jsgotangco | highvoltage: do you have a draft of the new edubuntu.org site? | 04:37 |
| highvoltage | jsgotangco: something like it, http://proto.edubuntu.org | 04:39 |
| jsgotangco | i need to make it similar to our firefox start page | 04:39 |
| highvoltage | ah, great! | 04:42 |
| highvoltage | i talked to ogra about it, since we'll need links to schooltool/schoolbell from there. | 04:42 |
| jsgotangco | i have the list of the features already i just didnt get time to write it | 04:47 |
| jsgotangco | today i'm going to finish up that firefox page | 04:47 |
| jsgotangco | as well as the one that'll appear in yelp | 04:47 |
| highvoltage | nice. | 04:51 |
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| mdke | Laser_away: ping | 05:56 |
| mdke | Laser_away: unping | 05:58 |
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| mdke | highvoltage: deping? | 06:02 |
| jsgotangco | what do you expect, he's english ;) | 06:03 |
| === mdke grrrs | ||
| highvoltage | mdke: yep | 06:05 |
| highvoltage | jsgotangco: well, my ancestors were Englishish too, so watch it! | 06:06 |
| jsgotangco | lol | 06:06 |
| LaserJock | hi mdke | 06:33 |
| mdke | you were depinged | 06:33 |
| mdke | but hi :) | 06:33 |
| LaserJock | heh, has a funny sound to it. I can imagin a robot voice "You have be depinged" | 06:34 |
| mdke | was just going to ask you about removing the doc-base stuff | 06:34 |
| mdke | I think i did it right | 06:34 |
| mdke | best to check tho | 06:34 |
| LaserJock | ah yes | 06:35 |
| mdke | LaserJock: while you're here. does dh_install in kubuntu/debian/rules install things recursively? | 06:37 |
| LaserJock | hmm, good question. I wouldn't think so. Usually dh_install is used to just install individual files | 06:38 |
| mdke | that's what I thought | 06:39 |
| LaserJock | usually a makefile installs most of the files and you just use dh_install to tweak a little | 06:39 |
| mdke | is there a way to do it recursively, do you know? | 06:39 |
| LaserJock | you could use a plain old cp -r I suppose | 06:39 |
| mdke | where would I put that? | 06:40 |
| LaserJock | or maybe there is a install flag for that | 06:40 |
| LaserJock | give me just a sec | 06:40 |
| LaserJock | looks to me like install doesn't do it | 06:43 |
| mdke | ok np | 06:44 |
| LaserJock | hmm, actually dh_install might do it after all | 06:44 |
| LaserJock | mdke: do you need to rename the directory? | 06:46 |
| mdke | LaserJock: which directory? | 06:46 |
| LaserJock | mdke: the directory that you are trying to install | 06:46 |
| mdke | LaserJock: no, not necessarily | 06:47 |
| LaserJock | dh_install can't rename | 06:48 |
| mdke | np | 06:48 |
| LaserJock | do just try dh_install with a directory and I think it should work | 06:49 |
| mdke | I will try it, thanks very much | 06:49 |
| mdke | any sign of the book? | 06:50 |
| LaserJock | not yet, maybe today though. the mail will arrive in a couple hours | 06:53 |
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| LaserJock | mdke: so are you working on the doc-base changes or do you want me to do it? | 07:04 |
| mdke | LaserJock: I thought I'd done it | 07:06 |
| LaserJock | oh sorry, I'll check it over | 07:06 |
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| mdke | thanks | 07:08 |
| LaserJock | mdke: yeah, it arrived!!! | 07:13 |
| mdke | rock | 07:13 |
| mdke | tell us how it looks :) | 07:13 |
| robotgeek | yay! | 07:13 |
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| LaserJock | mdke: Oh My Gosh, its the packaging guide! | 07:14 |
| mdke | hope so | 07:15 |
| LaserJock | I thought you sent the desktop guide | 07:15 |
| mdke | surprised ya | 07:15 |
| LaserJock | it was a suprise, I am speechless | 07:16 |
| mdke | what's the cover like? | 07:16 |
| LaserJock | the cover looks very nice | 07:16 |
| LaserJock | the cover is very orange | 07:17 |
| mdke | good news | 07:17 |
| LaserJock | hmm, the one ubuntu logo doesn't pop out as me as much as I remember but the text is great | 07:18 |
| mdke | ok, glad it is not a disaster in terms of quality | 07:19 |
| LaserJock | the icons are very pixelated | 07:19 |
| LaserJock | but I imagine those are going to be changed | 07:19 |
| robotgeek | mdke: nice touch :) | 07:19 |
| mdke | the admon icons? yeah we need to do something about that | 07:20 |
| mdke | robotgeek: :) | 07:20 |
| LaserJock | hmm, seeing a few things | 07:22 |
| LaserJock | mostly in the way links are handled | 07:22 |
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| mdke | LaserJock: go on | 07:27 |
| mdke | the sample links are broken, obviously :/ I don't think anything can be done about that | 07:28 |
| LaserJock | well, it looks like internal links just have [number] | 07:28 |
| LaserJock | but I can't find where the numbers lead to | 07:28 |
| LaserJock | are there supposed to be footnotes? | 07:29 |
| mdke | no, all the links should be in square brackets | 07:29 |
| mdke | there shouldn't be any numbers | 07:29 |
| LaserJock | there are numbers in the square brackets | 07:29 |
| mdke | what page? | 07:30 |
| mdke | (an example) | 07:31 |
| LaserJock | ah, on page 23 there is: ... from the Section 1, "Packaging Grom Scratch" [12] | 07:31 |
| LaserJock | ack, from the Section , that sounds bad | 07:31 |
| mdke | oh, the cross references | 07:31 |
| mdke | those are page numbers | 07:31 |
| LaserJock | doh, I see | 07:32 |
| mdke | that "the" is something we need to do something about | 07:32 |
| mdke | it may well be like that in the html too | 07:33 |
| mdke | you need to avoid that when using xrefs. "See <xref linkend etc" is the best way to use them, I think. | 07:33 |
| LaserJock | yeah, I must have overlooked that | 07:34 |
| mdke | possibly in yelp too | 07:34 |
| LaserJock | ok, well I'll go through it, but I've got to go for a bit now. Anything else you want to know? | 07:34 |
| LaserJock | the size is nice and I think the font is good | 07:35 |
| mdke | no, it sounds like it looks ok | 07:35 |
| LaserJock | I think we could definately use something on the back cover though | 07:35 |
| mdke | yes, i've talked to Madpilot about doing that | 07:35 |
| LaserJock | mdke: is the front cover text automatic? | 07:36 |
| mdke | no, not at the moment | 07:37 |
| LaserJock | because "Packaging Guide" is close to "Ubuntu Documenation Project" but it should be closer to "Ubuntu 6.06" | 07:38 |
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| LaserJock | mdke: btw, the doc-base removal wasn't complete | 07:39 |
| LaserJock | postrem also has doc-base removal stuff and the doc-base files themselves are still around? should we leave them or not? | 07:39 |
| mdke | no, I'll remove them, thanks | 07:40 |
| tuxmaniac | guys! Are you talking about the Packaging guide for Ubuntu doc? | 07:40 |
| tuxmaniac | I have a suggestion | 07:40 |
| tuxmaniac | Pleas make the section Updating packages a bit _more_ clear | 07:41 |
| mdke | tuxmaniac: LaserJock is the maintainer | 07:41 |
| tuxmaniac | aaahh!! :) LaserJock did you read that!! | 07:41 |
| tuxmaniac | mdke: Do you have any latest draft so that I can review it and give in some suggestions!! | 07:42 |
| mdke | sure, look on http://doc.ubuntu.com | 07:43 |
| LaserJock | tuxmaniac: yes, that I am aware of definate deficiencies :/ | 07:43 |
| mdke | tuxmaniac: however, the document is frozen now for Ubuntu 6.06, any discussion should have the next version in mind, Ubuntu 6.10 | 07:43 |
| crimsun | http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/basic-updating.html specifically. | 07:43 |
| crimsun | what additional overarching changes could be made to 'updating packages'? | 07:44 |
| tuxmaniac | crimsun: hmmm.. You mean that the doc is very clear? | 07:46 |
| LaserJock | I'd like to see a section on creating patches (bug fixes, etc.) and then a section for updating new upstream releases (more fore people wanting to maintain a package) | 07:46 |
| tuxmaniac | Yes. Perfect.. I would luv to those two also! | 07:47 |
| LaserJock | I just didn't have enough time this time to flesh that section out enough. | 07:47 |
| LaserJock | it was the last section I did | 07:47 |
| LaserJock | at somepoint we have to just let it go and start looking towards the next release :-) | 07:48 |
| tuxmaniac | LaserJock: Agreed! :) | 07:48 |
| LaserJock | tuxmaniac: but what you can do is go to wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuPackagingGuide and put a note about what you would like to see for the next version of the packaging guide | 07:55 |
| crimsun | LaserJock: yeah, the section really only deals with intraversion changes and not interversion changes | 07:55 |
| tuxmaniac | Ok.. It goes on my TO DO List right away! | 07:56 |
| crimsun | although you probably don't want to pore over every method; that could quickly become a maintenance nightmare | 07:56 |
| crimsun | something else that probably needs to be noted is when one should use a patching infrastructure (vs. when one shouldn't) | 07:56 |
| crimsun | (i.e., if there's one in place already, use it, otherwise apply directly against the source) | 07:57 |
| crimsun | gotta love having office hours on saturday. silly finals. | 07:58 |
| LaserJock | crimsun: yes, I totally agree | 08:00 |
| LaserJock | I gotta go now, I'll bbl | 08:00 |
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| mdke | heya Madpilot | 10:27 |
| Madpilot | hi mdke | 10:27 |
| mdke | how'r you? | 10:28 |
| mdke | the book arrived, Laser_away says that the cover looked pretty good. | 10:28 |
| Madpilot | cool - with the automated title by Lulu or w/o? | 10:29 |
| mdke | w/o | 10:30 |
| Madpilot | I was looking at the cover design last night - how to adapt it to use Lulu's automated titles | 10:32 |
| mdke | i can adjust the font of the automated titles, make them a bit smaller, if necessary, I think | 10:32 |
| Madpilot | good | 10:32 |
| mdke | I'm still not convinced about using that automated thing tho | 10:33 |
| Madpilot | the Ubuntu/Linux for Human Beings logo/slogan is going to have to move down to the bottom half of the page | 10:33 |
| Madpilot | robotgeek was talking about scripting the changes to SVG | 10:34 |
| mdke | if it's easy to change the SVGs, I don't mind doing it, because I'll need to fetch the translated strings to put them into lulu anyhow | 10:34 |
| Madpilot | I suspect it won't be that hard, but I've got nowhere near the programming skill to pull it off :P | 10:35 |
| mdke | me neither | 10:35 |
| robotgeek | Madpilot: i have never dealt with unicode strings in python | 10:36 |
| mdke | Madpilot: if you have a good idea for repositioning stuff, give it a go and we'll see | 10:36 |
| Madpilot | mdke, yeah, I'm going out in a bit for the afternoon, but maybe this evening | 10:37 |
| robotgeek | Madpilot: i'll give it a go today | 10:37 |
| Madpilot | robotgeek, cool | 10:37 |
| robotgeek | i need to learn unicode stuff anyways, for EU | 10:37 |
| Madpilot | looks like the text in SVG files is in nested <tspan><text>blah</text></tspan> sets | 10:39 |
| robotgeek | let us see if python svg library can help out | 10:40 |
| Madpilot | we need the &ubuntu; and &dg-title; and &ubuntu-doc-team; entities from our XML | 10:41 |
| mdke | they are not entities in the translations | 10:42 |
| Madpilot | the translators convert them into straight text? I'd hoped they'd just translate the entitities file | 10:42 |
| Madpilot | robotgeek, Inkscape can do export to PNG in the command line | 10:43 |
| mdke | no, they don't have an entities file | 10:43 |
| mdke | because each title is longer, there will have to be some kind of manual tweaking to make things fit properly, I would think | 10:46 |
| mdke | Madpilot: here it is in a smaller font: http://mdke.org/ubuntu/292345_cover_large.jpg | 10:48 |
| Madpilot | cool | 10:49 |
| robotgeek | Madpilot: ping me when you come back in there evening, we will work on it | 10:49 |
| Madpilot | robotgeek, will do | 10:49 |
| Madpilot | mdke, I can just move the Ubuntu/Linux for... part down a bit, and that should work, if we have to use Lulu's automated layout | 10:50 |
| mdke | Madpilot: sure, I'm easy either way | 11:06 |
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| mdke | anyone still here? | 11:34 |
| mdke | I can't seem to build the damn docs, dunno what's wrong | 11:34 |
| robotgeek | yeah, here | 11:35 |
| mdke | it looks like it is trying to download something, and just waits to ping out | 11:36 |
| mdke | jeffsch: I remember you solved this last time, can you remember what the problem was? | 11:36 |
| robotgeek | mdke: the xml header dtd? | 11:36 |
| mdke | right. | 11:37 |
| mdke | i thought it looked for it first on the local system | 11:38 |
| robotgeek | happended to me a few times | 11:39 |
| mdke | does it happen to you now? | 11:39 |
| robotgeek | mdke: lemme check | 11:39 |
| robotgeek | what are you building? | 11:40 |
| mdke | dg in ubuntu/ | 11:40 |
| robotgeek | mdke: builds for me | 11:41 |
| mdke | quickly? | 11:41 |
| mdke | damn, I must have messed up something on my system | 11:42 |
| robotgeek | yeah, normal speed. doesn't seem like it's going on to the web | 11:42 |
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