[12:40] <robotgeek> some people just can't get a joke
[12:41] <highvoltage> robotgeek: please share
[12:41] <robotgeek> highvoltage: when i replied that i "speelchecked" the wiki page, i get a email saying how i should spellcheck my email
[12:42] <highvoltage> hehe
[12:42] <robotgeek> well, i'll stick a smiley in there next time, or put it in quotes
[12:42] <highvoltage> people are strange.
[12:42] <crimsun> nah, just make it even more blaringly obvious that you're being sarcastic ;)
[12:43] <highvoltage> they jump to a conclusion and tent to be too lazy to think different scenarios through.
[12:43] <robotgeek> well, it was funny. :P
[01:01] <mdke> evening
[01:02] <rob> hi mdke 
[01:04] <mdke> yo
[04:04] <LaserJock> hi mdke 
[04:05] <mdke> hi LaserJock 
[04:08] <mgalvin> LaserJock: i was just reading through some of the packaging guide, great job dude!
[04:09] <mdke> do any of you use pyblosxom?
[04:09] <LaserJock> mgalvin: thank, quite a bit of it was taken from othere peoples work so I can't take complete credit for it
[04:10] <mgalvin> still, it has a good flow to it and is easy to read, very nice :)
[04:10] <LaserJock> I hope so
[04:11] <mgalvin> mdke: nope, i have been using wordpress, works well
[04:11] <LaserJock> and I really think that the edgy version will be much better
[04:11] <mgalvin> cool, hopefully by then i will be able to get back into more docteam work
[04:11] <mdke> mgalvin: I wanted something without having to figure out mysql
[04:12] <mgalvin> wordpress is *super simple* to install
[04:12] <mgalvin> you don't ever touch mysql directly
[04:13] <mgalvin> well, not totally true, i think you need to create a user iirc
[04:13] <mgalvin> meh, they all do their job well
[04:14] <mdke> pyblosxom is really nice, although the error messages when it fails to work are appallingly opaque
[04:19] <rob> heh
[04:20] <rob> sleep deprivation makes you do odd things sometimes
[04:23] <LaserJock> ugg, I've been at school 12 hrs now :/
[04:23] <rob> hehe I have a long weekend :)
[04:27] <mdke> here too, it's a holiday on monday
[04:30] <rob> Labour day on Monday for us
[04:34] <mdke> we don't have any reason for our holidays here
[04:34] <mdke> in some places they celebrate stuff, religious or otherwise
[04:34] <mdke> here it's just "meh, can't be arsed"
[04:34] <LaserJock> heh, what about that Guy Falks day or something
[04:34] <mdke> I'm not sure that's a holiday tho :/
[04:34] <mdke> dunno
[05:08] <robotgeek> hmm, i shud email jdub again, 3rd time is the charm
[05:10] <mdke> keep trying, he's hard to track down
[05:10] <mdke> ping him incessantly here too
[05:10] <robotgeek> i've never found him on irc
[05:11] <mdke> heh
[05:17] <mdke> night all
[05:18] <robotgeek> night mdke 
[05:57] <Madpilot> hi jsgotangco 
[05:57] <jsgotangco> Madpilot: hi!
[05:58] <Madpilot> interesting emails from Mr. Tangye, yes?
[05:58] <jsgotangco> Madpilot: part reality, part troll
[05:58] <jsgotangco> people expect too much from Ubuntu IMO
[05:59] <Madpilot> yeah - the email where he basically says, "I started out offensive to see how people would react" was... entertaining...
[05:59] <jsgotangco> i'll have a quick bite
[06:00] <jsgotangco> Madpilot: can you look into my Ubuntu Food spec hahahaha
[06:00] <Madpilot> huh?
[06:00] <robotgeek> replied to him
[06:00] <jsgotangco> its not meant to be taken seriously (the food spec)
[06:00] <jsgotangco> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuFoodProductSpecification
[06:01] <jsgotangco> although I bet JaneW would want a BOF for this hahaha
[06:02] <robotgeek> lol
[06:03] <robotgeek> i wonder why people think that someone abuses them, they will be friendly to them. 
[06:05] <Madpilot> jsgotangco, cool spec!
[06:05] <rob> Madpilot, he emailed me off list, I suspect thats why we haven't seen the second and third part yet
[06:06] <Madpilot> 2nd part got posted earlier in the part 1 thread, actually
[06:06] <rob> ah
[06:06] <rob> took him a while at least :)
[06:07] <Madpilot> there's also a large addition to the /talk page of the BetterWiki page
[06:07] <rob> heh
[06:07] <rob> hmm I don't seem to have gotten the 2 part
[06:08] <rob> some crap on "customer focus" though
[06:10] <robotgeek> the /talk on betterwikidocs has nice ideas, but there's only so much time in the world :)
[06:11] <rob> I think I'm just going to auto-delete email from him if he keeps up the trolling
[06:11] <Madpilot> nah, just ask where his patches for the stuff in trunk are ;)
[06:12] <Madpilot> you know, the super professional, amazingly complete docs he's going to pull out of... somewhere... to show us amateurs how it's done...
[06:13] <jsgotangco> Madpilot: show us the code haha
[06:13] <robotgeek> it's like on the forums, "how to make Desktop better" discussion, degrades into a discussion into flash/codecs issue
[06:13] <jsgotangco> gahh i really hate firefox
[06:14] <robotgeek> konqueror for everyone. yay!
[06:14] <rob> show us the code is exactly right
[06:14] <jsgotangco> robotgeek: i've always been an epiphany user but this is a new Beta 2
[06:15] <robotgeek> jsgotangco: hmm, i think i will bite the bullet and download the ubuntu live cd too :P
[06:15] <Madpilot> I'm torrenting the Ubuntu Beta2 LiveCD now
[06:15] <jsgotangco> robotgeek: the text-install beta 2 didn't change from beta1
[06:15] <jsgotangco> beta 2 is mostly fixes for ubiquity
[06:16] <robotgeek> jsgotangco: i havent tried ubuntu dapper at all 
[06:16] <jsgotangco> robotgeek: doh
[06:19] <robotgeek> jsgotangco: where is it on cdimage.ubuntu.com?
[06:20] <Madpilot> robotgeek, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2006-April/000072.html
[06:20] <robotgeek> thanks Madpilot 
[06:27] <jsgotangco> call me old school but I'm sticking to text-install :)
[06:27] <Madpilot> heh
[06:28] <Madpilot> if I had a spare machine, I'd try espresso/whatever it's called today, but I don't, so...
[06:29] <jsgotangco> part 3?
[06:29] <jsgotangco> heh
[06:31] <Madpilot> "I also plan to address this in part 3." - um, it's a direct effect of the six month release cycle + translation support, there isn't much we can "address", AFAIK...
[06:32] <jsgotangco> no i just gave him a reply smackdown for his part 3
[06:33] <Madpilot> that's a polite version of "show us the code" :P
[06:33] <rob> I just shot off something quick along those lines too
[06:35] <rob> umm, mine was right to the point
[06:35] <robotgeek> heh, i don't think he's going to come and write docs for us
[06:36] <rob> robotgeek, thats the whole point :)
[06:37] <rob> eek, stupid spell check
[06:37] <robotgeek> well, this is the first such mail i've seen on the list though
[06:37] <Madpilot> rob, "coarse" vs "course"? ;)
[06:37] <rob> Madpilot, yup
[06:43] <robotgeek> gah, why do all the wiki markups have to be different
[06:51] <jsgotangco> i love this
[06:52] <robotgeek> ah, mystery
[06:53] <robotgeek> everyone loves suspense. 
[06:53] <jsgotangco> he speaks as if we're clueless
[06:53] <jsgotangco> brb
[06:57] <Madpilot> gah, Mr. Tangye becomes more arrogant-sounding with every post...
[07:01] <mgalvin> whoa, hey how did my wifes food get there, hehe :)
[07:39] <mgalvin> it sounds like a soap opera ... answerd in part 3, this is kind of amusing
[07:39] <mgalvin> maybe i should stay up for the conclusion
[07:39] <jsgotangco> haha
[07:39] <mgalvin> hey jerome, hows it going dude
[07:39] <jsgotangco> i finally have a long break from work starting next week :)
[07:40] <mgalvin> cool
[07:40] <robotgeek> nice, vacation is always nice
[07:40] <jsgotangco> the next 2 months would be insteresting
[07:40] <robotgeek> from the dept. of redundancy
[07:44] <Madpilot> robotgeek, you mean the Dept. of Redundancy Dept.? ;)
[07:45] <robotgeek> yeah, that. :)
[07:46] <jsgotangco> ive been here since late 2004 and we still get the same kind of email
[07:46] <Madpilot> jsgotangco, which "here" are you talking about?
[07:46] <jsgotangco> -doc
[07:46] <robotgeek> not japanese spam :)
[07:47] <Madpilot> the "I can come swaggering in knowing how to solve all your problems" type emails?
[07:47] <jsgotangco> Madpilot: that too
[07:47] <jsgotangco> robotgeek: the doc list has tons of it heh
[07:48] <robotgeek> jsgotangco: we must have nice spam filters 
[07:49] <robitaille> ubuntu mailing lists have human spam filters :)
[07:50] <jsgotangco> we average around 20 - 30 / day for spam involving east asian character sets
[07:51] <robitaille> wow...the ubuntu-ca list average a lot less spam email per day....still annoying but not at that level
[07:53] <Madpilot> -doc is much better known, the email address is all over the place
[07:56] <rob> should have seen the email he just sent to me direct
[07:56] <jsgotangco> heh
[07:56] <rob> "This is offline, for your own good even if you do not realise it."
[07:56] <rob> o k..
[07:56] <jsgotangco> lol
[07:56] <jsgotangco> ok time for a break
[07:56] <Madpilot> wow
[07:56] <jsgotangco> meet the students i am mentoring
[07:56] <jsgotangco> http://www.flickr.com/photos/jsgotangco/136738193/
[07:57] <rob> apparently he has more experience writing documentation than any of us..
[07:58] <rob> or so he says
[07:58] <Madpilot> any links to this wonderful documentation?
[07:58] <rob> I've asked three times now..
[07:58] <rob> none yet :)
[07:59] <Madpilot> jsgotangco, university or HS students?
[07:59] <jsgotangco> uni
[07:59] <jsgotangco> they look like HS to you?
[08:00] <Madpilot> wasn't sure - sometimes I can't tell :P
[08:00] <robotgeek> better to ask than to regret :)
[08:00] <jsgotangco> 2 of them are uber-python coders at their age
[08:00] <Madpilot> ... not going there, robotgeek ;)
[08:01] <robotgeek> Madpilot: :)
[08:58] <robotgeek> night folks
[11:59] <mdke> morning
[12:00] <mdke> holy shit that is a lot of emails
[12:05] <rob> yeah
[12:06] <rob> that david guy just doesn't let up
[12:06] <mdke> no.
[12:07] <rob> I wish he would stop telling us how it should be, and start providing some actual patches instead
[12:07] <rob> maybe I ask too much
[12:08] <mdke> rob: the best approach is to leave it alone, and see if he will contribute in the long term
[12:08] <mdke> don't get personal (see code of conduct)
[12:09] <rob> yeah
[12:09] <rob> he has been mailing me off list trying to stir me up
[12:09] <mdke> it's not difficult to ignore these things
[12:10] <rob> "I spent many hours in the last week, reading the Ubuntu web. I am not clueless."
[12:10] <rob> kind of sums it up
[12:10] <mdke> just avoid replying
[12:11] <rob> I did a couple of times, I've stopped now
[12:11] <rob> you know me :)
[12:11] <mdke> yeah :(
[12:12] <mdke> you allow yourself to get a bit too angry ;-)
[12:12] <rob> hopefully I'll get my wireless sorted out on my lappy (running Dapper) then maybe I'll poke you to reset my access to svn again
[12:13] <rob> going to file a bug report soon I think on it, used to work with Breezy
[12:16] <mdke> okay
[02:03] <highvoltage> mdke: your new site looks nicer
[02:05] <mdke> highvoltage: thank you. I copied it.
[02:05] <highvoltage> :)
[02:05] <highvoltage> i've been giving mine a makeover too yesterday.
[02:06] <highvoltage> i'll add you to my planet too once you've got your blog into your new site :)
[02:08] <mdke> that would be cool, thanks
[02:10] <mdke> someone already replied with a script for importing stuff, I love planet Ubuntu
[02:17] <highvoltage> yeah, i like planet ubuntu too.
[02:46] <JanC> hello
[02:46] <JanC> someone on #ubuntu-nl complains that the link to limewire in the starterguide at http://help.ubuntu.com/starterguide/C/ch03s06.html#id2529193 doesn't work anymore
[02:46] <JanC> and he asks whether this will be updated  :)
[02:49] <mdke> JanC: hi. We won't update it for the 5.10 guide, but it has been removed in the 6.06 guide
[02:50] <JanC> hm, it's not possible or too much work to update the guide?
[02:50] <mdke> bit of both
[02:50] <mdke> quite a lot of both :)
[03:40] <highvoltage> 5/win 11
[04:20] <jsgotangco> hi guys
[04:20] <mdke> hi jsgotangco 
[04:20] <jsgotangco> hey mdke :) good morning
[04:20] <mdke> morning, how's it going?
[04:22] <jsgotangco> ah just went out today and enjoyed saturday with my daughter after having my usual check up
[04:22] <jsgotangco> do you have plans to go to france?
[04:22] <mdke> nice.
[04:23] <mdke> no plans, no.
[04:23] <mdke> it's pretty unlikely I will go. maybe for a sneaky weekend
[04:23] <jsgotangco> but that's a short plane ride no?
[04:24] <mdke> or 2 and a half hours on the train
[04:24] <jsgotangco> whoa
[04:25] <mdke> yeah, it's close
[04:28] <mdke> can't hurt, if you're free
[04:28] <jsgotangco> that's the problem i have no idea haha
[04:29] <jsgotangco> yeah doesn't hurt even though i'm not geographically near hah
[04:30] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: i guess it'll mean better edubuntu specs
[04:30] <highvoltage> hopefully.
[04:31] <jsgotangco> now to improve my Ubuntu Food Product Spec
[04:31] <jsgotangco> hah
[04:31] <highvoltage> i'm quite keen on expanding to a second cd, ogra doesn't like it much, but i'm sure i'd be able to much better convince him in person.
[04:31] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: you are art.ubuntu.com, right?
[04:31] <jsgotangco> yeah
[04:32] <highvoltage> can we have a gallery there for the food?
[04:32] <jsgotangco> doing a miserable job on it though
[04:32] <highvoltage> don't be so hard on yourself :)
[04:32] <mdke> ah, you've taken over that website?
[04:32] <mdke> what plans do you have for it?
[04:33] <jsgotangco> i have high-level admin rights on it
[04:33] <jsgotangco> i should be doing a spec on it real soon now
[04:33] <mdke> COOL
[04:33] <mdke> whoops, caps
[04:33] <jsgotangco> im also writing a SIP/VoIP spec
[04:34] <jsgotangco> mdke: having karma on art would be cool too
[04:35] <mdke> yay for karma
[04:35] <highvoltage> yeah, people have been writing specs like crazy lately
[04:35] <jsgotangco> heh
[04:36] <jsgotangco> ok i need to reboot to windows to do some opencd hacks
[04:36] <jsgotangco> brb
[04:37] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: do you have a draft of the new edubuntu.org site?
[04:39] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: something like it, http://proto.edubuntu.org
[04:39] <jsgotangco> i need to make it similar to our firefox start page
[04:42] <highvoltage> ah, great!
[04:42] <highvoltage> i talked to ogra about it, since we'll need links to schooltool/schoolbell from there.
[04:47] <jsgotangco> i have the list of the features already i just didnt get time to write it
[04:47] <jsgotangco> today i'm going to finish up that firefox page
[04:47] <jsgotangco> as well as the one that'll appear in yelp
[04:51] <highvoltage> nice.
[05:56] <mdke> Laser_away: ping
[05:58] <mdke> Laser_away: unping
[06:02] <mdke> highvoltage: deping?
[06:03] <jsgotangco> what do you expect, he's english ;)
[06:05] <highvoltage> mdke: yep
[06:06] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: well, my ancestors were Englishish too, so watch it!
[06:06] <jsgotangco> lol
[06:33] <LaserJock> hi mdke 
[06:33] <mdke> you were depinged
[06:33] <mdke> but hi :)
[06:34] <LaserJock> heh, has a funny sound to it. I can imagin a robot voice "You have be depinged"
[06:34] <mdke> was just going to ask you about removing the doc-base stuff
[06:34] <mdke> I think i did it right
[06:34] <mdke> best to check tho
[06:35] <LaserJock> ah yes
[06:37] <mdke> LaserJock: while you're here. does dh_install in kubuntu/debian/rules install things recursively?
[06:38] <LaserJock> hmm, good question. I wouldn't think so. Usually dh_install is used to just install individual files
[06:39] <mdke> that's what I thought
[06:39] <LaserJock> usually a makefile installs most of the files and you just use dh_install to tweak a little
[06:39] <mdke> is there a way to do it recursively, do you know?
[06:39] <LaserJock> you could use a plain old cp -r I suppose
[06:40] <mdke> where would I put that?
[06:40] <LaserJock> or maybe there is a install flag for that
[06:40] <LaserJock> give me just a sec
[06:43] <LaserJock> looks to me like install doesn't do it
[06:44] <mdke> ok np
[06:44] <LaserJock> hmm, actually dh_install might do it after all
[06:46] <LaserJock> mdke: do you need to rename the directory?
[06:46] <mdke> LaserJock: which directory?
[06:46] <LaserJock> mdke: the directory that you are trying to install
[06:47] <mdke> LaserJock: no, not necessarily
[06:48] <LaserJock> dh_install can't rename
[06:48] <mdke> np
[06:49] <LaserJock> do just try dh_install with a directory and I think it should work
[06:49] <mdke> I will try it, thanks very much
[06:50] <mdke> any sign of the book?
[06:53] <LaserJock> not yet, maybe today though. the mail will arrive in a couple hours
[07:04] <LaserJock> mdke: so are you working on the doc-base changes or do you want me to do it?
[07:06] <mdke> LaserJock: I thought I'd done it
[07:06] <LaserJock> oh sorry, I'll check it over
[07:08] <mdke> thanks
[07:13] <LaserJock> mdke: yeah, it arrived!!!
[07:13] <mdke> rock
[07:13] <mdke> tell us how it looks :)
[07:13] <robotgeek> yay!
[07:14] <LaserJock> mdke: Oh My Gosh, its the packaging guide!
[07:15] <mdke> hope so
[07:15] <LaserJock> I thought you sent the desktop guide
[07:15] <mdke> surprised ya
[07:16] <LaserJock> it was a suprise, I am speechless
[07:16] <mdke> what's the cover like?
[07:16] <LaserJock> the cover looks very nice
[07:17] <LaserJock> the cover is very orange
[07:17] <mdke> good news
[07:18] <LaserJock> hmm, the one ubuntu logo doesn't pop out as me as much as I remember but the text is great
[07:19] <mdke> ok, glad it is not a disaster in terms of quality
[07:19] <LaserJock> the icons are very pixelated
[07:19] <LaserJock> but I imagine those are going to be changed
[07:19] <robotgeek> mdke: nice touch :)
[07:20] <mdke> the admon icons? yeah we need to do something about that
[07:20] <mdke> robotgeek: :)
[07:22] <LaserJock> hmm, seeing a few things
[07:22] <LaserJock> mostly in the way links are handled
[07:27] <mdke> LaserJock: go on
[07:28] <mdke> the sample links are broken, obviously :/ I don't think anything can be done about that
[07:28] <LaserJock> well, it looks like internal links just have [number] 
[07:28] <LaserJock> but I can't find where the numbers lead to
[07:29] <LaserJock> are there supposed to be footnotes?
[07:29] <mdke> no, all the links should be in square brackets
[07:29] <mdke> there shouldn't be any numbers
[07:29] <LaserJock> there are numbers in the square brackets
[07:30] <mdke> what page?
[07:31] <mdke> (an example)
[07:31] <LaserJock> ah, on page 23 there is: ... from the Section 1, "Packaging Grom Scratch" [12] 
[07:31] <LaserJock> ack, from the Section , that sounds bad
[07:31] <mdke> oh, the cross references
[07:31] <mdke> those are page numbers
[07:32] <LaserJock> doh, I see
[07:32] <mdke> that "the" is something we need to do something about
[07:33] <mdke> it may well be like that in the html too
[07:33] <mdke> you need to avoid that when using xrefs. "See <xref linkend etc" is the best way to use them, I think.
[07:34] <LaserJock> yeah, I must have overlooked that
[07:34] <mdke> possibly in yelp too
[07:34] <LaserJock> ok, well I'll go through it, but I've got to go for a bit now. Anything else you want to know?
[07:35] <LaserJock> the size is nice and I think the font is good
[07:35] <mdke> no, it sounds like it looks ok
[07:35] <LaserJock> I think we could definately use something on the back cover though
[07:35] <mdke> yes, i've talked to Madpilot about doing that
[07:36] <LaserJock> mdke: is the front cover text automatic?
[07:37] <mdke> no, not at the moment
[07:38] <LaserJock> because "Packaging Guide" is close to "Ubuntu Documenation Project" but it should be closer to "Ubuntu 6.06"
[07:39] <LaserJock> mdke: btw, the doc-base removal wasn't complete
[07:39] <LaserJock> postrem also has doc-base removal stuff and the doc-base files themselves are still around? should we leave them or not?
[07:40] <mdke> no, I'll remove them, thanks
[07:40] <tuxmaniac> guys! Are you talking about the Packaging guide for Ubuntu doc?
[07:40] <tuxmaniac> I have a suggestion
[07:41] <tuxmaniac> Pleas make the section Updating packages a bit _more_ clear
[07:41] <mdke> tuxmaniac: LaserJock is the maintainer
[07:41] <tuxmaniac> aaahh!! :) LaserJock did you read that!! 
[07:42] <tuxmaniac> mdke: Do you have any latest draft so that I can review it and give in some suggestions!! 
[07:43] <mdke> sure, look on http://doc.ubuntu.com
[07:43] <LaserJock> tuxmaniac: yes, that I am aware of definate deficiencies :/
[07:43] <mdke> tuxmaniac: however, the document is frozen now for Ubuntu 6.06, any discussion should have the next version in mind, Ubuntu 6.10
[07:43] <crimsun> http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/basic-updating.html  specifically.
[07:44] <crimsun> what additional overarching changes could be made to 'updating packages'?
[07:46] <tuxmaniac> crimsun: hmmm.. You mean that the doc is very clear?
[07:46] <LaserJock> I'd like to see a section on creating patches (bug fixes, etc.) and then a section for updating new upstream releases (more fore people wanting to maintain a package)
[07:47] <tuxmaniac> Yes. Perfect.. I would luv to those two also!
[07:47] <LaserJock> I just didn't have enough time this time to flesh that section out enough.
[07:47] <LaserJock> it was the last section I did
[07:48] <LaserJock> at somepoint we have to just let it go and start looking towards the next release :-)
[07:48] <tuxmaniac> LaserJock: Agreed! :)
[07:55] <LaserJock> tuxmaniac: but what you can do is go to wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuPackagingGuide and put a note about what you would like to see for the next version of the packaging guide
[07:55] <crimsun> LaserJock: yeah, the section really only deals with intraversion changes and not interversion changes
[07:56] <tuxmaniac> Ok.. It goes on my TO DO List right away!
[07:56] <crimsun> although you probably don't want to pore over every method; that could quickly become a maintenance nightmare
[07:56] <crimsun> something else that probably needs to be noted is when one should use a patching infrastructure (vs. when one shouldn't)
[07:57] <crimsun> (i.e., if there's one in place already, use it, otherwise apply directly against the source)
[07:58] <crimsun> gotta love having office hours on saturday. silly finals.
[08:00] <LaserJock> crimsun: yes, I totally agree
[08:00] <LaserJock> I gotta go now, I'll bbl
[10:27] <mdke> heya Madpilot 
[10:27] <Madpilot> hi mdke 
[10:28] <mdke> how'r you?
[10:28] <mdke> the book arrived, Laser_away says that the cover looked pretty good. 
[10:29] <Madpilot> cool - with the automated title by Lulu or w/o?
[10:30] <mdke> w/o
[10:32] <Madpilot> I was looking at the cover design last night - how to adapt it to use Lulu's automated titles
[10:32] <mdke> i can adjust the font of the automated titles, make them a bit smaller, if necessary, I think
[10:32] <Madpilot> good
[10:33] <mdke> I'm still not convinced about using that automated thing tho
[10:33] <Madpilot> the Ubuntu/Linux for Human Beings logo/slogan is going to have to move down to the bottom half of the page
[10:34] <Madpilot> robotgeek was talking about scripting the changes to SVG
[10:34] <mdke> if it's easy to change the SVGs, I don't mind doing it, because I'll need to fetch the translated strings to put them into lulu anyhow
[10:35] <Madpilot> I suspect it won't be that hard, but I've got nowhere near the programming skill to pull it off :P
[10:35] <mdke> me neither
[10:36] <robotgeek> Madpilot: i have never dealt with unicode strings in python
[10:36] <mdke> Madpilot: if you have a good idea for repositioning stuff, give it a go and we'll see
[10:37] <Madpilot> mdke, yeah, I'm going out in a bit for the afternoon, but maybe this evening
[10:37] <robotgeek> Madpilot: i'll give it a go today
[10:37] <Madpilot> robotgeek, cool
[10:37] <robotgeek> i need to learn unicode stuff anyways, for EU
[10:39] <Madpilot> looks like the text in SVG files is in nested <tspan><text>blah</text></tspan> sets
[10:40] <robotgeek> let us see if python svg library can help out
[10:41] <Madpilot> we need the &ubuntu; and &dg-title; and &ubuntu-doc-team; entities from our XML
[10:42] <mdke> they are not entities in the translations
[10:42] <Madpilot> the translators convert them into straight text? I'd hoped they'd just translate the entitities file
[10:43] <Madpilot> robotgeek, Inkscape can do export to PNG in the command line
[10:43] <mdke> no, they don't have an entities file
[10:46] <mdke> because each title is longer, there will have to be some kind of manual tweaking to make things fit properly, I would think
[10:48] <mdke> Madpilot: here it is in a smaller font: http://mdke.org/ubuntu/292345_cover_large.jpg
[10:49] <Madpilot> cool
[10:49] <robotgeek> Madpilot: ping me when you come back in there evening, we will work on it
[10:49] <Madpilot> robotgeek, will do
[10:50] <Madpilot> mdke, I can just move the Ubuntu/Linux for... part down a bit, and that should work, if we have to use Lulu's automated layout
[11:06] <mdke> Madpilot: sure, I'm easy either way
[11:34] <mdke> anyone still here?
[11:34] <mdke> I can't seem to build the damn docs, dunno what's wrong
[11:35] <robotgeek> yeah, here
[11:36] <mdke> it looks like it is trying to download something, and just waits to ping out
[11:36] <mdke> jeffsch: I remember you solved this last time, can you remember what the problem was?
[11:36] <robotgeek> mdke: the xml header dtd?
[11:37] <mdke> right.
[11:38] <mdke> i thought it looked for it first on the local system
[11:39] <robotgeek> happended to me a few times
[11:39] <mdke> does it happen to you now?
[11:39] <robotgeek> mdke: lemme check
[11:40] <robotgeek> what are you building?
[11:40] <mdke> dg in ubuntu/
[11:41] <robotgeek> mdke: builds for me
[11:41] <mdke> quickly?
[11:42] <mdke> damn, I must have messed up something on my system
[11:42] <robotgeek> yeah, normal speed. doesn't seem like it's going on to the web