=== mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:40] some people just can't get a joke [12:41] robotgeek: please share [12:41] highvoltage: when i replied that i "speelchecked" the wiki page, i get a email saying how i should spellcheck my email [12:42] hehe [12:42] well, i'll stick a smiley in there next time, or put it in quotes [12:42] people are strange. [12:42] nah, just make it even more blaringly obvious that you're being sarcastic ;) [12:43] they jump to a conclusion and tent to be too lazy to think different scenarios through. [12:43] well, it was funny. :P === frank__ [n=frank@modemcable135.248-130-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:01] evening [01:02] hi mdke [01:04] yo === theCore [n=alex@toronto-HSE-ppp4208226.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-doc === frank__ [n=frank@modemcable135.248-130-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-doc === _frank [n=frank@modemcable135.248-130-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-doc === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke yawns [04:04] hi mdke [04:05] hi LaserJock [04:08] LaserJock: i was just reading through some of the packaging guide, great job dude! [04:09] do any of you use pyblosxom? [04:09] mgalvin: thank, quite a bit of it was taken from othere peoples work so I can't take complete credit for it [04:10] still, it has a good flow to it and is easy to read, very nice :) [04:10] I hope so [04:11] mdke: nope, i have been using wordpress, works well [04:11] and I really think that the edgy version will be much better [04:11] cool, hopefully by then i will be able to get back into more docteam work [04:11] mgalvin: I wanted something without having to figure out mysql [04:12] wordpress is *super simple* to install [04:12] you don't ever touch mysql directly [04:13] well, not totally true, i think you need to create a user iirc [04:13] meh, they all do their job well [04:14] pyblosxom is really nice, although the error messages when it fails to work are appallingly opaque === mdke has decided that 3 am is a good time to rewrite his website and put up a blog [04:19] heh [04:20] sleep deprivation makes you do odd things sometimes [04:23] ugg, I've been at school 12 hrs now :/ [04:23] hehe I have a long weekend :) === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:27] here too, it's a holiday on monday [04:30] Labour day on Monday for us [04:34] we don't have any reason for our holidays here [04:34] in some places they celebrate stuff, religious or otherwise [04:34] here it's just "meh, can't be arsed" [04:34] heh, what about that Guy Falks day or something [04:34] I'm not sure that's a holiday tho :/ [04:34] dunno === poningru [n=poningru@ip68-226-0-76.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:08] hmm, i shud email jdub again, 3rd time is the charm [05:10] keep trying, he's hard to track down [05:10] ping him incessantly here too [05:10] i've never found him on irc [05:11] heh === mdke concludes his website rewrite [05:17] night all [05:18] night mdke === Madpilot [n=brian@S0106000d88b9f3db.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse [n=jjesse@c-67-172-111-99.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:57] hi jsgotangco [05:57] Madpilot: hi! [05:58] interesting emails from Mr. Tangye, yes? [05:58] Madpilot: part reality, part troll [05:58] people expect too much from Ubuntu IMO [05:59] yeah - the email where he basically says, "I started out offensive to see how people would react" was... entertaining... [05:59] i'll have a quick bite [06:00] Madpilot: can you look into my Ubuntu Food spec hahahaha [06:00] huh? === jjesse [n=jjesse@c-67-172-111-99.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:00] replied to him [06:00] its not meant to be taken seriously (the food spec) [06:00] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuFoodProductSpecification [06:01] although I bet JaneW would want a BOF for this hahaha [06:02] lol [06:03] i wonder why people think that someone abuses them, they will be friendly to them. [06:05] jsgotangco, cool spec! [06:05] Madpilot, he emailed me off list, I suspect thats why we haven't seen the second and third part yet [06:06] 2nd part got posted earlier in the part 1 thread, actually [06:06] ah [06:06] took him a while at least :) [06:07] there's also a large addition to the /talk page of the BetterWiki page [06:07] heh [06:07] hmm I don't seem to have gotten the 2 part === jsgotangco_ [n=jsg123@125.212.127.15] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse [n=jjesse@c-67-172-111-99.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:08] some crap on "customer focus" though [06:10] the /talk on betterwikidocs has nice ideas, but there's only so much time in the world :) [06:11] I think I'm just going to auto-delete email from him if he keeps up the trolling [06:11] nah, just ask where his patches for the stuff in trunk are ;) [06:12] you know, the super professional, amazingly complete docs he's going to pull out of... somewhere... to show us amateurs how it's done... [06:13] Madpilot: show us the code haha [06:13] it's like on the forums, "how to make Desktop better" discussion, degrades into a discussion into flash/codecs issue [06:13] gahh i really hate firefox === jsgotangco starts installing epi [06:14] konqueror for everyone. yay! [06:14] show us the code is exactly right [06:14] robotgeek: i've always been an epiphany user but this is a new Beta 2 [06:15] jsgotangco: hmm, i think i will bite the bullet and download the ubuntu live cd too :P [06:15] I'm torrenting the Ubuntu Beta2 LiveCD now [06:15] robotgeek: the text-install beta 2 didn't change from beta1 [06:15] beta 2 is mostly fixes for ubiquity [06:16] jsgotangco: i havent tried ubuntu dapper at all [06:16] robotgeek: doh [06:19] jsgotangco: where is it on cdimage.ubuntu.com? [06:20] robotgeek, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2006-April/000072.html [06:20] thanks Madpilot === jjesse_ [n=jjesse@c-67-172-111-99.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:27] call me old school but I'm sticking to text-install :) [06:27] heh [06:28] if I had a spare machine, I'd try espresso/whatever it's called today, but I don't, so... [06:29] part 3? [06:29] heh [06:31] "I also plan to address this in part 3." - um, it's a direct effect of the six month release cycle + translation support, there isn't much we can "address", AFAIK... [06:32] no i just gave him a reply smackdown for his part 3 [06:33] that's a polite version of "show us the code" :P === theCore [n=alex@toronto-HSE-ppp4205825.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:33] I just shot off something quick along those lines too === jjesse_ [n=jjesse@c-67-172-111-99.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:35] umm, mine was right to the point [06:35] heh, i don't think he's going to come and write docs for us [06:36] robotgeek, thats the whole point :) [06:37] eek, stupid spell check [06:37] well, this is the first such mail i've seen on the list though [06:37] rob, "coarse" vs "course"? ;) [06:37] Madpilot, yup === jjesse_ [n=jjesse@c-67-172-111-99.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse_ [n=jjesse@c-67-172-111-99.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:43] gah, why do all the wiki markups have to be different === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:51] i love this [06:52] ah, mystery [06:53] everyone loves suspense. [06:53] he speaks as if we're clueless [06:53] brb [06:57] gah, Mr. Tangye becomes more arrogant-sounding with every post... === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@59.92.93.50] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:01] whoa, hey how did my wifes food get there, hehe :) === robotgeek ignores and goes to post blog entry === jjesse_ [n=jjesse@c-67-172-111-99.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse_ [n=jjesse@c-67-172-111-99.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === theCore__ [n=alex@toronto-HSE-ppp4205663.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse_ [n=jjesse@c-67-172-111-99.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Kyral [n=kyral@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Kyral_ [n=kyral@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:39] it sounds like a soap opera ... answerd in part 3, this is kind of amusing [07:39] maybe i should stay up for the conclusion [07:39] haha [07:39] hey jerome, hows it going dude === poningru [n=poningru@ip68-226-0-76.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:39] i finally have a long break from work starting next week :) [07:40] cool [07:40] nice, vacation is always nice [07:40] the next 2 months would be insteresting [07:40] from the dept. of redundancy [07:44] robotgeek, you mean the Dept. of Redundancy Dept.? ;) [07:45] yeah, that. :) [07:46] ive been here since late 2004 and we still get the same kind of email [07:46] jsgotangco, which "here" are you talking about? [07:46] -doc [07:46] not japanese spam :) [07:47] the "I can come swaggering in knowing how to solve all your problems" type emails? [07:47] Madpilot: that too [07:47] robotgeek: the doc list has tons of it heh [07:48] jsgotangco: we must have nice spam filters [07:49] ubuntu mailing lists have human spam filters :) [07:50] we average around 20 - 30 / day for spam involving east asian character sets [07:51] wow...the ubuntu-ca list average a lot less spam email per day....still annoying but not at that level [07:53] -doc is much better known, the email address is all over the place [07:56] should have seen the email he just sent to me direct [07:56] heh [07:56] "This is offline, for your own good even if you do not realise it." [07:56] o k.. [07:56] lol [07:56] ok time for a break [07:56] wow === rob sends rather abusive email back; [07:56] meet the students i am mentoring [07:56] http://www.flickr.com/photos/jsgotangco/136738193/ [07:57] apparently he has more experience writing documentation than any of us.. [07:58] or so he says [07:58] any links to this wonderful documentation? [07:58] I've asked three times now.. [07:58] none yet :) [07:59] jsgotangco, university or HS students? [07:59] uni [07:59] they look like HS to you? [08:00] wasn't sure - sometimes I can't tell :P [08:00] better to ask than to regret :) [08:00] 2 of them are uber-python coders at their age [08:00] ... not going there, robotgeek ;) [08:01] Madpilot: :) === dsas [n=dean@host81-158-81-220.range81-158.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-doc === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@59.92.36.8] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:58] night folks === mpt [n=mpt@203-173-141-46.bliink.ihug.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === wjb [n=warren@c220-237-175-124.lowrp1.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === klepas [n=klepas@203-213-31-142.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt_ [n=mpt@203-173-141-46.bliink.ihug.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === sofa_king [n=sofa_kin@203-206-49-178.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === sofa_king is now known as bustacap === bustacap [n=sofa_kin@ubuntu/member/bustacap] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Leaving"] [11:59] morning [12:00] holy shit that is a lot of emails [12:05] yeah [12:06] that david guy just doesn't let up [12:06] no. [12:07] I wish he would stop telling us how it should be, and start providing some actual patches instead [12:07] maybe I ask too much [12:08] rob: the best approach is to leave it alone, and see if he will contribute in the long term [12:08] don't get personal (see code of conduct) [12:09] yeah [12:09] he has been mailing me off list trying to stir me up [12:09] it's not difficult to ignore these things [12:10] "I spent many hours in the last week, reading the Ubuntu web. I am not clueless." [12:10] kind of sums it up [12:10] just avoid replying [12:11] I did a couple of times, I've stopped now [12:11] you know me :) [12:11] yeah :( [12:12] you allow yourself to get a bit too angry ;-) [12:12] hopefully I'll get my wireless sorted out on my lappy (running Dapper) then maybe I'll poke you to reset my access to svn again [12:13] going to file a bug report soon I think on it, used to work with Breezy [12:16] okay === highvoltage [n=Jono@mtngprs7.mtn.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@203-173-141-46.bliink.ihug.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@195-23-238-163.nr.ip.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:03] mdke: your new site looks nicer [02:05] highvoltage: thank you. I copied it. [02:05] :) [02:05] i've been giving mine a makeover too yesterday. [02:06] i'll add you to my planet too once you've got your blog into your new site :) [02:08] that would be cool, thanks [02:10] someone already replied with a script for importing stuff, I love planet Ubuntu === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@59.92.42.7] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:17] yeah, i like planet ubuntu too. === dsas [n=dean@host81-158-81-220.range81-158.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === JanC [n=janc@lugwv/member/JanC] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:46] hello [02:46] someone on #ubuntu-nl complains that the link to limewire in the starterguide at http://help.ubuntu.com/starterguide/C/ch03s06.html#id2529193 doesn't work anymore [02:46] and he asks whether this will be updated :) [02:49] JanC: hi. We won't update it for the 5.10 guide, but it has been removed in the 6.06 guide [02:50] hm, it's not possible or too much work to update the guide? [02:50] bit of both [02:50] quite a lot of both :) === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bustacap [n=bustacap@ubuntu/member/bustacap] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:40] 5/win 11 === bustacap [n=bustacap@ubuntu/member/bustacap] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Leaving"] === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:20] hi guys [04:20] hi jsgotangco [04:20] hey mdke :) good morning [04:20] morning, how's it going? [04:22] ah just went out today and enjoyed saturday with my daughter after having my usual check up [04:22] do you have plans to go to france? [04:22] nice. [04:23] no plans, no. [04:23] it's pretty unlikely I will go. maybe for a sneaky weekend [04:23] but that's a short plane ride no? [04:24] or 2 and a half hours on the train [04:24] whoa [04:25] yeah, it's close === jsgotangco wonders if he apply for sponsorship [04:28] can't hurt, if you're free [04:28] that's the problem i have no idea haha === highvoltage took the chance [04:29] yeah doesn't hurt even though i'm not geographically near hah [04:30] highvoltage: i guess it'll mean better edubuntu specs [04:30] hopefully. [04:31] now to improve my Ubuntu Food Product Spec [04:31] hah [04:31] i'm quite keen on expanding to a second cd, ogra doesn't like it much, but i'm sure i'd be able to much better convince him in person. [04:31] jsgotangco: you are art.ubuntu.com, right? [04:31] yeah [04:32] can we have a gallery there for the food? [04:32] doing a miserable job on it though [04:32] don't be so hard on yourself :) [04:32] ah, you've taken over that website? [04:32] what plans do you have for it? [04:33] i have high-level admin rights on it [04:33] i should be doing a spec on it real soon now [04:33] COOL [04:33] whoops, caps [04:33] im also writing a SIP/VoIP spec [04:34] mdke: having karma on art would be cool too [04:35] yay for karma === mdke goes food shopping [04:35] yeah, people have been writing specs like crazy lately [04:35] heh === lakin [n=lakin@S01060013101832ce.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:36] ok i need to reboot to windows to do some opencd hacks [04:36] brb [04:37] highvoltage: do you have a draft of the new edubuntu.org site? [04:39] jsgotangco: something like it, http://proto.edubuntu.org [04:39] i need to make it similar to our firefox start page [04:42] ah, great! [04:42] i talked to ogra about it, since we'll need links to schooltool/schoolbell from there. [04:47] i have the list of the features already i just didnt get time to write it [04:47] today i'm going to finish up that firefox page [04:47] as well as the one that'll appear in yelp [04:51] nice. === lloydinho [n=andreas@rosinante.egmont-kol.dk] has joined #ubuntu-doc === rob [i=Robert@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.rob] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:56] Laser_away: ping [05:58] Laser_away: unping === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@59.92.34.255] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvoltage has never seen an unping on irc before [06:02] highvoltage: deping? [06:03] what do you expect, he's english ;) === mdke grrrs [06:05] mdke: yep [06:06] jsgotangco: well, my ancestors were Englishish too, so watch it! [06:06] lol [06:33] hi mdke [06:33] you were depinged [06:33] but hi :) [06:34] heh, has a funny sound to it. I can imagin a robot voice "You have be depinged" [06:34] was just going to ask you about removing the doc-base stuff [06:34] I think i did it right [06:34] best to check tho [06:35] ah yes [06:37] LaserJock: while you're here. does dh_install in kubuntu/debian/rules install things recursively? [06:38] hmm, good question. I wouldn't think so. Usually dh_install is used to just install individual files [06:39] that's what I thought [06:39] usually a makefile installs most of the files and you just use dh_install to tweak a little [06:39] is there a way to do it recursively, do you know? [06:39] you could use a plain old cp -r I suppose [06:40] where would I put that? [06:40] or maybe there is a install flag for that [06:40] give me just a sec [06:43] looks to me like install doesn't do it [06:44] ok np [06:44] hmm, actually dh_install might do it after all [06:46] mdke: do you need to rename the directory? [06:46] LaserJock: which directory? [06:46] mdke: the directory that you are trying to install [06:47] LaserJock: no, not necessarily [06:48] dh_install can't rename [06:48] np [06:49] do just try dh_install with a directory and I think it should work [06:49] I will try it, thanks very much [06:50] any sign of the book? [06:53] not yet, maybe today though. the mail will arrive in a couple hours === dsas [n=dean@host81-158-81-220.range81-158.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:04] mdke: so are you working on the doc-base changes or do you want me to do it? [07:06] LaserJock: I thought I'd done it [07:06] oh sorry, I'll check it over === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@195-23-238-232.nr.ip.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:08] thanks [07:13] mdke: yeah, it arrived!!! [07:13] rock [07:13] tell us how it looks :) [07:13] yay! === LaserJock feels like a little boy at Christmas [07:14] mdke: Oh My Gosh, its the packaging guide! [07:15] hope so [07:15] I thought you sent the desktop guide [07:15] surprised ya [07:16] it was a suprise, I am speechless [07:16] what's the cover like? [07:16] the cover looks very nice [07:17] the cover is very orange [07:17] good news [07:18] hmm, the one ubuntu logo doesn't pop out as me as much as I remember but the text is great [07:19] ok, glad it is not a disaster in terms of quality [07:19] the icons are very pixelated [07:19] but I imagine those are going to be changed [07:19] mdke: nice touch :) [07:20] the admon icons? yeah we need to do something about that [07:20] robotgeek: :) [07:22] hmm, seeing a few things [07:22] mostly in the way links are handled === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:27] LaserJock: go on [07:28] the sample links are broken, obviously :/ I don't think anything can be done about that [07:28] well, it looks like internal links just have [number] [07:28] but I can't find where the numbers lead to [07:29] are there supposed to be footnotes? [07:29] no, all the links should be in square brackets [07:29] there shouldn't be any numbers [07:29] there are numbers in the square brackets [07:30] what page? [07:31] (an example) [07:31] ah, on page 23 there is: ... from the Section 1, "Packaging Grom Scratch" [12] [07:31] ack, from the Section , that sounds bad [07:31] oh, the cross references [07:31] those are page numbers [07:32] doh, I see [07:32] that "the" is something we need to do something about [07:33] it may well be like that in the html too [07:33] you need to avoid that when using xrefs. "See yeah, I must have overlooked that [07:34] possibly in yelp too [07:34] ok, well I'll go through it, but I've got to go for a bit now. Anything else you want to know? [07:35] the size is nice and I think the font is good [07:35] no, it sounds like it looks ok [07:35] I think we could definately use something on the back cover though [07:35] yes, i've talked to Madpilot about doing that [07:36] mdke: is the front cover text automatic? [07:37] no, not at the moment [07:38] because "Packaging Guide" is close to "Ubuntu Documenation Project" but it should be closer to "Ubuntu 6.06" === mdke nods [07:39] mdke: btw, the doc-base removal wasn't complete [07:39] postrem also has doc-base removal stuff and the doc-base files themselves are still around? should we leave them or not? [07:40] no, I'll remove them, thanks [07:40] guys! Are you talking about the Packaging guide for Ubuntu doc? [07:40] I have a suggestion [07:41] Pleas make the section Updating packages a bit _more_ clear [07:41] tuxmaniac: LaserJock is the maintainer [07:41] aaahh!! :) LaserJock did you read that!! [07:42] mdke: Do you have any latest draft so that I can review it and give in some suggestions!! [07:43] sure, look on http://doc.ubuntu.com [07:43] tuxmaniac: yes, that I am aware of definate deficiencies :/ [07:43] tuxmaniac: however, the document is frozen now for Ubuntu 6.06, any discussion should have the next version in mind, Ubuntu 6.10 [07:43] http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/basic-updating.html specifically. [07:44] what additional overarching changes could be made to 'updating packages'? [07:46] crimsun: hmmm.. You mean that the doc is very clear? [07:46] I'd like to see a section on creating patches (bug fixes, etc.) and then a section for updating new upstream releases (more fore people wanting to maintain a package) [07:47] Yes. Perfect.. I would luv to those two also! [07:47] I just didn't have enough time this time to flesh that section out enough. [07:47] it was the last section I did [07:48] at somepoint we have to just let it go and start looking towards the next release :-) [07:48] LaserJock: Agreed! :) [07:55] tuxmaniac: but what you can do is go to wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuPackagingGuide and put a note about what you would like to see for the next version of the packaging guide [07:55] LaserJock: yeah, the section really only deals with intraversion changes and not interversion changes [07:56] Ok.. It goes on my TO DO List right away! [07:56] although you probably don't want to pore over every method; that could quickly become a maintenance nightmare [07:56] something else that probably needs to be noted is when one should use a patching infrastructure (vs. when one shouldn't) [07:57] (i.e., if there's one in place already, use it, otherwise apply directly against the source) [07:58] gotta love having office hours on saturday. silly finals. [08:00] crimsun: yes, I totally agree [08:00] I gotta go now, I'll bbl === Madpilot [n=brian@S0106000d88b9f3db.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Cturtle [n=Cturtle@a213-84-50-38.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvoltage [n=Jono@mtngprs7.mtn.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:27] heya Madpilot [10:27] hi mdke [10:28] how'r you? [10:28] the book arrived, Laser_away says that the cover looked pretty good. [10:29] cool - with the automated title by Lulu or w/o? [10:30] w/o [10:32] I was looking at the cover design last night - how to adapt it to use Lulu's automated titles [10:32] i can adjust the font of the automated titles, make them a bit smaller, if necessary, I think [10:32] good [10:33] I'm still not convinced about using that automated thing tho [10:33] the Ubuntu/Linux for Human Beings logo/slogan is going to have to move down to the bottom half of the page [10:34] robotgeek was talking about scripting the changes to SVG [10:34] if it's easy to change the SVGs, I don't mind doing it, because I'll need to fetch the translated strings to put them into lulu anyhow [10:35] I suspect it won't be that hard, but I've got nowhere near the programming skill to pull it off :P [10:35] me neither [10:36] Madpilot: i have never dealt with unicode strings in python [10:36] Madpilot: if you have a good idea for repositioning stuff, give it a go and we'll see [10:37] mdke, yeah, I'm going out in a bit for the afternoon, but maybe this evening [10:37] Madpilot: i'll give it a go today [10:37] robotgeek, cool [10:37] i need to learn unicode stuff anyways, for EU [10:39] looks like the text in SVG files is in nested blah sets [10:40] let us see if python svg library can help out [10:41] we need the &ubuntu; and &dg-title; and &ubuntu-doc-team; entities from our XML [10:42] they are not entities in the translations [10:42] the translators convert them into straight text? I'd hoped they'd just translate the entitities file [10:43] robotgeek, Inkscape can do export to PNG in the command line [10:43] no, they don't have an entities file [10:46] because each title is longer, there will have to be some kind of manual tweaking to make things fit properly, I would think [10:48] Madpilot: here it is in a smaller font: http://mdke.org/ubuntu/292345_cover_large.jpg [10:49] cool [10:49] Madpilot: ping me when you come back in there evening, we will work on it [10:49] robotgeek, will do [10:50]