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LaserJockhi ajmitch12:08
ajmitchhello LaserJock12:09
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LaserJockajmitch: how's your day going?12:17
crimsunooh, nice upstream changes in alsa for reducing resource consumption :)12:19
ajmitchgood, how about you?12:20
crimsun'lo ajmitch, LaserJock12:20
ajmitchhey crimsun12:20
LaserJockajmitch: ok, was just talking to a potential postdoc employer12:20
LaserJockbut I'm fighting a bit with ssh-agent stuff at the moment12:20
crimsung'luck w/ both12:20
crimsun(may I recommend keychain?)12:21
LaserJockI've got keychain on my mac, but the one computer I'm having problems with doesn't have it I don't think12:22
LaserJockand it is the deparment server so I don't have a lot of access12:22
LaserJockit doesn't have much of anything it seems, I think it is a SuSE box12:23
crimsunyou really only need write access to ~/.ssh, which I hope you have12:23
LaserJockyes12:23
ajmitchLaserJock: good luck with that :)12:24
LaserJockbut I've been trying to get ssh-agent to start up when I log in, but it isn't working terribly well. It keeps leaving proccesses behind12:24
ajmitchso who's going to go to paris in june?12:24
LaserJockajmitch: you?12:24
ajmitchENOTIME12:24
LaserJockENOMONEY12:24
ajmitchthat too :)12:24
LaserJockI can more or less take off as much as I want, but money is quite tight these days12:25
ajmitchI've got an exam on the 21st, so no chance of getting away12:25
LaserJockah, school is out mid May here12:26
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ajmitchhi bmonty12:30
bmontyhi MOTUs!12:31
crimsunhi12:31
LaserJockhi bmonty12:32
bmontyhow's everything going today?12:33
tsengbmonty: yo12:33
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LaserJockcrimsun: ah, I found keychain. I thought it was a bigger app or something. It is close to what I was doing, just better12:39
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cyberixslomo_: Your package has been linked to. See http://gnunet.org/download.php312:47
ajmitchheh12:49
ajmitchslomo was just the last person to touch it12:50
imbrandonls -la01:05
imbrandondammit01:05
ajmitchat least it wasn't a password01:06
imbrandonheh01:06
imbrandonheya ajmitch the dh_iconcache needs to go into the "binary-arch: build install" list correct ?01:07
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ajmitchno01:11
bddebianHeya gang01:11
ajmitchit goes with the rest of the dh_* calls01:12
ajmitchhello bddebian01:12
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bddebianHeya ajmitch01:12
imbrandonyea01:12
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bddebianajmitch: You have some time by any chance?01:16
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ajmitchheh, funny man01:16
ajmitchsome01:17
bddebianI'm trying to figure out where xpm2wico is getting the X11R6 path from01:17
bddebianIt's not an xmkmf package01:17
ajmitchit still sounds scary01:17
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ajmitchwhat X11R6 path is it getting?01:18
bddebianSeveral01:19
bddebianI found one place in configure.in but it's still picking it up?01:19
ajmitchveyr helpful01:20
bddebianEr configure.ac01:20
ajmitchbuild time? run time/01:20
ajmitch?01:20
bddebianautoreconf time.  Still get them in configure01:20
ajmitchwhy are you doing autoreconf?01:20
bddebianHmm, maybe it's AC_PATH_X?01:21
bddebianShould I just hammer configure and Makefiles manually instead?01:22
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bddebianajmitch: Why wouldn't I run autoreconf?01:24
ajmitchI'm wondering why on earth you need to?01:24
ajmitchanyway, I'll be back soon01:25
bddebianOK, laterz01:26
bddebianAny other takers wanna help my dumb ass?01:27
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bddebianWelcome dolson01:40
dolsonthanks. not sure why all of a sudden I noticed X-Chat wasn't running01:41
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LaserJockhi again bmonty02:32
bmontyhey LaserJock...may laptop battery died :(02:32
LaserJockbummer02:33
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mgalvinmight i kindly nudge someone to fix some low hanging fruit in anyone is interested02:42
mgalvinBug #3172802:42
UbugtuMalone bug 31728 in moin "moin 1.5 should require or suggest python-xml for DocBook rendering" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/3172802:42
crimsunthis one? moin | 1.5.2-1ubuntu1 | http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/main Sources02:43
crimsunit really should at least Recommends it02:44
crimsunwill have to find a main uploader, though02:44
bmontyanyone know of any reason why we should keep the euro-support package around? (Malone #41519) Doesn't Ubuntu support the euro character out of the box?02:45
UbugtuMalone bug 41519 in euro-support "[UNMETDEPS]  euro-support has unmet dependencies" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/4151902:45
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crimsunbmonty: it does support it ()02:53
bmontycrimsun: I know, so why have a package to assist with enabling support for it....I'm going to ask it to be removed02:54
bmontyunless anyone objects02:54
crimsunwhat does euro-support give us that isn't already in by default?02:54
LaserJockcrimsun: I think that is bmonty's point02:54
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bmontyI think we are in violent agreement :)02:56
bmontycrimsun: BTW, how did you generate the euro character?02:56
mgalvincrimsun: yes... ah right it is in main :-/02:56
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crimsunbmonty: err, I meant that GNOME already supports it02:59
crimsunbmonty: AltGr+502:59
bmontywhat does the Gr part mean?03:00
crimsunSystem> Preferences> Keyboard> Layout Options> Adding the Eurosign ...03:00
crimsunit's equivalent to ctrl+alt, according to google://"what is altgr"03:01
bmontycrimsun: the default dapper supports the euro character so we don't need a package to help out with it...and potentially lead users in the wrong direction03:01
crimsunbmonty: right, I wasn't disgreeing with you; I just didn't have apt-cache show running, so I wondered if you knew what it added extra03:01
bmontycrimsun: it adds a script to try printing the euro character with fonts installed on the system, and has packages with depends on font packages that have the euro character03:02
bmontyall unnecessary for Ubuntu03:02
crimsunah, yeah, that can be removed03:02
bmontyI requested that the archive team remove it03:03
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LaserJockbah, who needs a Euro anyway ;-)03:05
bddebianhehe03:05
bddebianHeya slomo_03:05
crimsunyay for gst0.15 :)03:06
crimsungah, 0.10.503:07
ajmitchI was going to say... :)03:07
crimsunI seem to have a problem with '.' and '1' today03:07
LaserJockI was going to say ..03:08
crimsunhooray, quod libet plays mpcs correctly again03:09
crimsun(thanks to fix in gst 0.10.5)03:09
bddebianW00t03:09
bddebiancrimsun, crimsun, he's our man, if he can't do it, no one can.. Yeah crimsun  :-)03:10
bmontyMalone #41522, am I on crack or is there no issue here?  The only binary is installable on my system.  Maybe this is a problem on a non-i386?03:10
UbugtuMalone bug 41522 in xffm "[UNMETDEPS]  xffm has unmet dependencies" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/4152203:10
bddebianbmonty: I've run in to a couple of those.  Have you pulled the source and checked the changelog?03:13
bddebianI found one or two that were already sent up for buildX s03:14
bmontybddebian: yup, nothing interesting there03:14
bddebianYeah, xffm4 seems to work for me too03:15
bmontyok, thanks bddebian03:16
bddebianNo, thank YOU :-)03:17
imbrandonany motu's want a cupple diff's for the iconcache i've got done?03:18
bddebianimbrandon: Sure, shoot03:20
imbrandonbddebian@ubuntu.com ?03:20
bddebianHmm, you can try it03:20
imbrandonk sent03:22
imbrandonPERM_FAILURE: SMTP Error (state 9): 550 <bddebian@ubuntu.com>: Recipient address rejected: User unknown in virtual alias table03:23
LaserJockheh03:23
bddebianFigures03:24
bddebianI get no love03:24
imbrandonlol03:24
bddebianimbrandon: bddebian@comcast.net03:24
imbrandonk one sec03:24
imbrandonk resent, lemme know and i'll update the wiki when they are uploaded ;)03:25
bddebianimbrandon: gxine uploaded03:32
imbrandonk ;)03:32
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zulheylo03:32
imbrandon'ello03:32
bddebianHeya zul03:32
zulhey bde03:33
zuldoh...bddebian03:33
bddebianimbrandon: Is j2se supposed to be j2sdk1.4?03:34
imbrandonyea03:34
imbrandonerr no03:34
imbrandonj2se1.4-amd6403:35
bddebianHmm, I don't see that anywhere03:35
imbrandonone sec03:35
imbrandonhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/DhIconCacheChanges03:36
imbrandontop of univer+multivers list03:36
imbrandonpool/multiverse/j/j2se1.4-amd6403:36
bddebianOh shix, I rpobably don't have multiverse on that box03:37
imbrandon;)03:37
bddebianAck, 34 freakin' Mb03:38
imbrandonyea its a bigin03:38
imbrandonso was -58603:38
imbrandonbut its done and uploaded03:38
imbrandon;)03:38
imbrandonsooo dumb question as i'm semi new to ubuntu ( few months ) how do "I" get to be a motu that can upload ?03:40
bddebianYou keep doing what you're doing :-)03:42
imbrandonhehe kk03:43
bddebianThen go to a CC meeting and become a member03:43
bddebianIf they feel you have contributed enough03:43
bddebianThen work some more03:43
imbrandoncool03:43
bddebianThen apply to TB meeting to become MOTU :-)03:43
imbrandoncc meetings in irc?03:43
bddebianYes03:43
imbrandoncool03:43
bddebianimbrandon: j2se uploaded03:49
imbrandoncool, thanks bddebian03:49
bddebianNP, thank you03:49
imbrandoni'll have a few more by the end of the evening if your still arround ( if not its all good i'm sure SOMEONE will be awake by there ;P )03:49
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LaserJockack, how do I get rid of \n ?04:04
bddebianbackspace? :-)04:06
bddebianDelete key?04:06
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imbrandonmv icewm_1.2.23-3ubuntu1-diff.dsc ../diff/04:07
imbrandonerr yea umm backspace04:07
LaserJockbddebian: well, I was sort of looking for a more sophisticated (read sed or awk) way to do it04:10
LaserJockbddebian: but yes, the backspace key was sufficent, just not elegant04:10
imbrandons/\n/null04:11
imbrandonheheh04:11
LaserJockwell, with sed it just put 2 lines together04:11
LaserJockoh well04:11
zulbbiab04:14
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imbrandonok who wants a few more uploads?04:39
chillywillylalalala04:40
imbrandonanyone ? lol04:40
bddebian2imbrandon: Shoot them to me if I can keep my damn network up long enough04:41
imbrandonkk04:41
imbrandonsent04:42
bddebianSheesh, now I'm imbrandon's bitch too04:44
bddebian:-)04:44
imbrandonhahaha04:44
LaserJockheh, that's right bddebian04:44
zulbut you do it so well04:44
LaserJockimbrandon: make you a deal, you get him during the week and I get him on weekends ;-)04:45
imbrandonhehe kk04:45
imbrandonsounds fair04:46
imbrandonlol to us atleaste04:46
bddebianhmm04:46
bddebianSomedays I do wonder why I come here.  I can get verbal abuse at home and at work.. ;-P04:47
imbrandonlol04:47
bmontygoodnight everyone04:47
bddebiangnight bmonty04:47
Spec_how do you get an e-mail @ubuntu.com ?04:48
bddebianSpec_: You have to be a member04:48
imbrandonbecome an ubuntu member04:48
Spec_i am a member04:48
Spec_is it automagic?04:48
Spec(now i look more like a member)04:49
imbrandonheh04:49
Specwoah, cool04:50
Specdragoncow2@ubuntu.com is me, whee :)04:50
imbrandoni still need to become a member lol04:51
bddebianI've been a member since July 2005 and I still don't have a working @ubuntu.com email04:51
imbrandonheh04:51
imbrandoni noticed earlier04:51
Speci've been a member since two months ago i think04:51
Specbut as soon as i became a member, i got swamped with non-computer-related-crap, sometimes mistakenly called life04:52
bddebianimbrandon: Stop picking the freaking big packages will ya? :-)04:52
imbrandonhehe i'm just going down the list04:52
imbrandoni think there is only one big package in there04:53
imbrandonheh i could do kdevelop next ..... j/k04:54
bddebianYou can send that to zul :-)04:54
imbrandon;)04:54
imbrandoni have a local apt mirror here on the lan so it makes it kinda easy04:55
bddebianimbrandon: OK, all up.  Please check the buildlogs for these as I am not exactly doing thorough package checking on them since they are 1 line changes.  Thanks.04:59
imbrandonk i have been04:59
imbrandonyea it will be nice when these are all done ( the dhiconcache ones )05:00
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imbrandonno hobbsee yet tonight05:01
bddebianNope05:03
bddebianMaybe she actually has a life?05:03
imbrandonhahaha as should i but hell05:03
imbrandonbut it IS friday .... might head out for a beer or two05:03
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bddebianSpeaking of which, I need a smoke05:04
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imbrandon_.05:06
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bddebian2Grrr05:38
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imbrandonbddebian, still awake?06:16
imbrandonerr should say connected ( ie network problems )06:17
imbrandoni got one more for ya, not an iconcache one, and a little more than 1 libe change lol06:18
imbrandonor zul06:18
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bddebianimbrandon: Yeah, apparently my isp is freaking out tonight :-(06:20
imbrandonk06:23
imbrandonbddebian@charter.net ?06:24
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bddebianAaaahhh for Gods sake06:25
imbrandonahh comcast.net , ok sent06:25
imbrandonthis one isnt a big package but its a big patch ( kbfx )06:26
zulis kbfx in main?06:26
imbrandonno06:27
imbrandonuniverse06:27
imbrandonpatch is from like 4.8rc2 to 4.9.1 + a local fix for ubuntu automake script06:31
imbrandonthus the size06:31
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imbrandonquite in here tonight06:36
jmgheh06:36
jmganyone know how i could uninstall the dependencies of kubuntu-desktop?06:36
imbrandonu all of them ? there is a thread on the msg board06:37
jmgnah06:39
imbrandonanyluck with patch that bddebian ?06:47
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imbrandoncomcast is not liking him tonight ;(06:55
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imbrandon*yawns*07:17
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antinobodyHello folkses08:02
Hobbseehey antinobody08:12
ajmitchhi08:14
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antinobodyHmm... I'm using a laptop that hasn't been upgraded to beta, with apt-get -f upgrade take care of that?08:15
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Hobbseeantinobody: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade will08:15
antinobody(I'm visiting home for the weekend, using brother's comp)08:15
antinobodythanks08:15
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Gloubiboulgahello pef08:30
pefGloubiboulga: salut :)08:30
pefGloubiboulga: alors ? dsol pour l'autre soir, minuit ca fait trop tard pour moi en ce moment :)08:31
Gloubiboulgapef, a y est, j'ai rejoint l'quipe :)08:31
pefflicitations :] 08:32
Gloubiboulgamerci :)08:32
pefGloubiboulga: donc tu serais plutot xfce toi alors ?08:35
Gloubiboulgapef, oui :)08:35
pefGloubiboulga: super, c'est ce qu'il faut pour mettre sur plein de vieilles bcanes08:35
pef(entre autre, videmment)08:36
Gloubiboulgac'est l'ide de dpart de xubuntu08:37
Gloubiboulgamme si on a eu des commentaires du genre "DSL c'est plus rapide"08:37
Gloubiboulgaa apporte un environnement plus lger, avec des lments rcents08:38
pefGloubiboulga: mais avec xubuntu tu change juste le desktop ou alors tu vire aussi certains services histoire d'allger le tout ? car sur une vieille bcane, le boot ca prends pas mal de temps aussi08:40
Gloubiboulgapef, c'est la base ubuntu et tu changes le desktop08:41
Gloubiboulgay'a pas (encore) de bidouillage dans le systme de base pour rendre le tout encore plus lger08:41
pefok, c'est bien ce qui me semblait08:41
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imbrandonheya antinobody Hobbsee08:48
Hobbseehi imbrandon08:48
antinobodyheya08:48
imbrandongot a few of those dhiconcache outa your way08:49
imbrandon;)08:49
Hobbseeoh goody08:49
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imbrandon;)08:50
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antinobodyDid you all know it takes a long time to upgrade a distro?08:54
Hobbseehehe...that's why i dont do it terribly often...08:54
antinobodyHard to avoid if you want to help out08:55
Hobbseetrue08:55
imbrandonhehe i run a local apt mirror of dapper so it dosent take that long ( almost have to with 10 computers here in the house )09:04
imbrandoni stil am trying to think of a good/cool use for my p 100mhz laying arround09:04
antinobodyMake a hell of a paper weight09:05
imbrandonlol09:06
imbrandonprobbly be an irc / email terminal for out in the garage09:07
imbrandonmaybe , duuno yet09:07
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Tonio_hi10:44
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jbeckershi11:07
jbeckersI'm building some checkinstall debs, but they're all trying to install gconf files in the same location11:08
jbeckerseg: `/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults/%gconf-tree-bg.xml'11:08
jbeckerswhich of course is no good :-)11:08
jbeckersso my question is: what's the policy on these files? include/exclude from packages?11:09
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Lathiatwow someone was smoking some crack03:12
Lathiathttp://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=36077&PHPSESSID=09867e8cb99e6c47fd22516ff74666a903:12
LathiatLD_PRELOAD for gtk apps to use the kde file chooser03:12
ajmitchawesome crack03:12
Lathiatyes, that is awesome crack03:13
Lathiat:)03:13
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bmontyhi bddebian05:30
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ivoksanyone uses gnome-ppp? :)06:26
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zulhey06:46
LaserJockhi zul06:47
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\shmoins09:24
Gloubiboulgahi \sh09:27
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sivanghey \sh , 'sup?09:59
\shdoing some kubuntu work :)09:59
sivang\sh: cool, already approved for uploads?10:01
\shno...that has time :)10:01
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sivang\sh: good luck anyways. Say, do you know when stuff will start getting out of NEW? :-)10:29
\shsivang: when elmo is releasing them :)10:29
sivang\sh: heh, well I guess I still have to wait for my upbackup crack binaries to come out :)10:31
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antinobodyhello peoples10:51
highvoltagehello!10:54
ajmitchhi10:55
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highvoltagebddebian: you just mussed the hi! loop :)10:57
bddebianHeya gang10:57
bddebianHi highvoltage :-)10:57
highvoltagehi bddebian :)10:57
bddebianLet's see if my isp is still puking on me.. :-(10:57
antinobodyThat's an unpleasant metaphor10:59
\shmoins bddebian11:00
bddebian\sh!11:00
\shbddebian: how is life? :)11:00
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bddebian\sh: Fair to midland.  You?11:01
\shgoing up the hill :)11:03
highvoltagelife... *sigh*11:04
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bddebianHeya imbrandon.  I think I finally have a stable connection again11:17
imbrandon;)11:17
imbrandoni'm cleaning my basement , just hooked up this comp in the basement as a "irc / email gateway" heheh its a 100mhz cyrix 32mb ram with dapper and fluxbox lol11:18
imbrandontalk about pushing dapper to the limits, but anyhow cool hopefully charter or comcast dosent screw you arround tonight11:19
antinobodyYou got dapper runner on that thing?  Nice.11:20
imbrandonheh yea11:20
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imbrandonroot@svr:/files/brandon# uname -a11:21
imbrandonLinux svr.imbrandon.sytes.net 2.6.15-2111:21
imbrandon;)11:21
\shre11:21
bddebianwb \sh11:21
antinobodyOk, still trying to contribute to the dh_iconcache efforts.  Anyone know how I fix the fact that I have no /usr/share/dpatch folder?  debuild -S is complaining about it11:23
bddebianInstall dpatch? :)11:23
imbrandondebuild -S -sa ? and install dpatch11:24
antinobodywow...suddenly I feel slow11:24
crimsunno, you need to install dpatch first.11:24
bddebianHeya crimsun11:24
imbrandonwell i dident mean in that order ;)11:24
imbrandonsorry11:24
crimsun'lo bddebian11:24
antinobodyYeah, bddebian is right, I hdn't done that yet11:24
crimsunimbrandon: np, that's what happens when I read line-by-line :)11:25
imbrandonok guys i got to get a little more cleaning done, i'll be back in a few hours , bddebian did that kbfx patch look ok once you finaly got a stable connection ?11:26
antinobodyHmm... is there a reason I shouldn't make a new gpg key?  The other one's on a computer 45 miles away11:26
bddebianimbrandon: WHere did you get kbfx 1.9?11:31
imbrandon4.9.1 and i got it from the official kbfx cvs ( savanna )11:33
imbrandonjust had to modify the cvs.sh part of the make becouse it was looking for automake 1.6 and ubuntu uses 1.9 othern than that its a clean cvs checkout11:34
bddebianimbrandon: OK, that's fine but it would need a UVF exception.  You need to file that on LP11:36
imbrandonok11:36
imbrandononce i get back upstairs i will do that11:36
bddebianNP11:38
KyralHey, does anyone know a good GTK reference aside from the Tutorial?11:41
Kyralone of my friends is having trouble with the C Bindings to it11:42
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