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LaserJockhi HedgeMage 02:41
HedgeMagehi LaserJock 02:43
HedgeMageWhat's up?02:43
LaserJockoh, I'm working on the house a bit02:44
LaserJockputting in new flooring and a dishwasher02:44
LaserJockhow about you?02:44
LaserJockHedgeMage: are you a teacher?02:47
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HedgeMageLaser_away: no, my mom is :)03:37
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zekesmzHello - I just installed Edubuntu, and if anyone from the dev team is in this room - I wanted to extend a heartfelt thanks for creating this. It's amazing05:37
nomadLaser_Jock(Laser_Away) is on the Wiki/documentation team, but I'm not sure about the others.05:38
zekesmzwell, just wanted to pass along kudos and thanks. I set up this box for my 1 and 3 year old to play with05:41
zekesmzand I think it's fantastic....05:41
nomadI like it too,05:41
nomadI'd like to see it used more in schools05:41
zekesmzyep05:41
zekesmzmy sister is a teacher05:42
zekesmzi emailed her about it05:42
zekesmzluckily her boyfriend is a sysadmin05:42
nomadOr any distribution of linux for that matter05:42
nomadI think its up to the county board though, and they always pick windows because its what everyone has at home05:42
nomadAnd because since they still have to purchase computers, and since Dell makes the most craptastic computers and also sells them the cheapest, they come with windows pre-installed05:44
zekesmztotally. well, just wanted to float my sentiments to a place where they might get heard. g'nite!05:44
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jsgotangcoogra: all the feature sets/improvements you sent me are admin specific :/07:59
highvoltagemorning jsgotangco 08:00
jsgotangcohey jonathan08:00
juliuxmorning jsgotangco highvoltage 08:00
highvoltagewhat's your local time there?08:01
highvoltagemorning juliux08:01
jsgotangcoits 2pm sunday08:01
jsgotangcoand very hot08:01
LaserJockhi highvoltage and juliux 08:01
highvoltagehi LaserJock 08:01
juliuxhey LaserJock 08:01
highvoltagei think i should go to the gym this morning, i can feel my body dumbing down after three solid days behind laptop08:01
juliuxhehe08:02
jsgotangcoim not risking it now, its like38C here at the moment08:02
LaserJockhighvoltage: looks like you've got lots of support for the Edubuntu Council, I should leav gracefully ;-)08:03
jsgotangcohighvoltage: i need your help on my food spec08:04
highvoltageLaserJock: leave?08:05
highvoltageLaserJock: yeah, i'm quite surprised by the support, but pleasently so :)08:06
highvoltagejsgotangco: sure, sounds like fun :)08:06
highvoltagejsgotangco: will you still be around in ~3 hours?08:06
jsgotangcoyeah08:06
jsgotangcohttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuFoodProductSpecification08:06
jsgotangcoheh08:06
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highvoltage*sigh* it's so hard to be popular: http://www.jonathancarter.co.za/08:09
highvoltage:p08:09
LaserJockhighvoltage: I just thought I'd try it since nobody else had emailed. :-) You have my support08:10
highvoltageLaserJock: thanks!08:11
LaserJockhighvoltage: jeeze what is your bandwidth limit?08:11
juliuxhighvoltage, can i have an autograph from you? *G*08:12
juliuxhighvoltage, your site is down08:12
jsgotangcoi am so not moving to ZA08:13
juliuxhehe08:13
highvoltageLaserJock: 6GB08:15
highvoltage:)08:15
LaserJockman, you are popular08:15
highvoltageluckily it's april 30, so tomorrow it should be fine again08:15
highvoltageLaserJock: i was just joking ;)08:15
highvoltagethat's probably just the cake images that took up all the bandwidth. it's the ubuntu food that's so popular ;)08:16
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jsgotangcociao08:16
juliuxcu08:18
juliuxjsgotangco, do you know in which directory the lts.conf has to be?08:41
jsgotangcosorry i dont remember its been a while since i tested ltsp itself08:41
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jsgotangcoim trying to come up with some end-user improvements but couldn't think of any that are edubuntu-specific08:43
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juliuxhas someone tested sound on the thinclients?09:17
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DidiusHi10:52
Didiusanyone online?10:55
highvoltageyeah, millions of people.10:55
Didiuscool :D10:55
highvoltage:p10:55
Didiuscan i ask you a question?10:55
highvoltageyou just did!10:55
Didiusanother one then? :D10:56
highvoltageso i assume it's completely possible10:56
highvoltagesure, go for it10:56
Didiushere comes10:56
DidiusDoes anyone knows if any software like this http://www.netsupportschool.com/ exists for linux?10:56
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Didiusit gives the teacher the option to control the pc's of the students10:57
highvoltageogra is working on something similar, called the student control panel10:57
highvoltageit will be included in the 6.10 version of edubuntu10:58
Didiuscool, edubuntu rocks10:58
Didiusthnx a lot10:58
highvoltageyou're welcome10:58
Didiusis there any sourceforge page about it?10:58
highvoltagenot that i know of, there's probably a launchpad page though.10:58
Didiusthnx, i 'll see if I can found something10:59
highvoltageBluekuja: "There is also a special support group for using Edubuntu in schools." <-- what is this group?11:13
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cbx33hey people11:23
cbx33highvoltage, nice editing11:23
highvoltage"With a school cohort taking an average of 5 years" <--- what's a cohort?11:25
highvoltagehi cbx33. thanks.11:25
juliuxmorning cbx33 11:32
juliuxcbx33, can you test a bug into ubiquity?11:33
juliuxhighvoltage, do you know how to enable sound on the thinclient?11:33
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cbx33juliux, can late 11:35
cbx33r11:35
alexandros_sewhere can I get on contact with someone behind edubuntu / ubuntu?11:35
cbx33highvoltage, its a year group11:35
juliuxcbx33, ok11:35
cbx33sorry jUst had news our guinea pig has passed away11:35
cbx33bbl11:35
highvoltagealexandros_se: with regards to?11:37
highvoltagealexandros_se: your best bet might be to post your request to edubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com11:38
highvoltagealexandros_se: but that would depend on the basis you'd like to get in contact with11:38
alexandros_sehighvoltage: I'm a projectleader for a global internet school project11:38
alexandros_senominated by U.N. for best initiative11:39
alexandros_seICT for poverty reduction....11:39
highvoltagealexandros_se: excellent11:39
highvoltagealexandros_se: i suggest you send an e-mail to myself, Olliver and Jane.11:39
highvoltagethat would be jonathan@ubuntu.com, ogra@ubuntu.com, and janew@ubuntu.com11:39
alexandros_seI was thinking of making something together with ubuntu11:40
highvoltagedo you have a URL to your project home page?11:40
alexandros_seI have great 'web 2.0' programmers...11:40
alexandros_sehighvoltage: hang on...11:41
highvoltageBluekuja: "Edubuntu is shipped with LTSP, the Linux Terminal Server Project, whilst not a true thin client system" <-- how is it not a true thin client system?11:41
highvoltagealexandros_se: ok11:41
cbx33highvoltage that was me11:41
cbx33sorry11:42
cbx33ogra and i had a discussion about if it was or not11:42
cbx33in a tc system, doesn't the local machine run the apps, and the app server is all read only11:43
highvoltagecbx33: nope, a tc system runs all the apps from the server11:44
highvoltagecbx33: like ubuntu11:44
highvoltagecbx33: when you start running applications locally, then it's not a true tc system anymore11:44
cbx33oh......my apologies '11:45
highvoltagecbx33: we'll only have support for that in the next release11:45
highvoltagecbx33: no problem :)11:45
cbx33chabnge it11:45
cbx33how does it look generally 11:52
juliuxhas someone test sound on thinclients?11:55
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cbx33juliux there are docs on that11:56
cbx33but i haven't tested 11:56
cbx33yet11:56
juliuxcbx33, has you a link?11:57
juliuxi have set SOUND = Y in my lts.conf11:57
juliuxbut this dont work11:57
cbx33search for local devices on the wiki11:57
cbx33and ltsp11:57
juliuxthxs11:57
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cbx33I'm on a Pocket PC chatting, so forgive me if the quality of my prose is perhaps a little overly populated with spelling, syntax and grammatical inconsistencies. 12:26
cbx33whooops12:26
lucasvoI have a pocketpc as well12:26
lucasvowith linux :)12:26
lucasvocbx33: it's quite cool12:26
juliuxpah pocketpc12:26
juliuxzaurus ;)12:26
lucasvojuliux: http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/HpIpaqHx470012:28
lucasvojuliux: *roxxx*12:29
juliuxpah12:30
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lucasvoyes12:30
lucasvoit's like gnome12:30
juliuxjup12:30
lucasvoand the screen resolution of the hx4700 *wow*12:30
juliuxi have bought my zaurus for 100 incl wlan cf vard12:31
lucasvohttp://wservices.ch/~lucas/hx4700/12:31
lucasvojuliux: wow12:31
lucasvothat's cheap12:31
lucasvoI paid 600 EUR12:31
juliuxit wasnt a new one 12:31
juliuxit is the one of a friend12:31
juliuxand he never use it 12:31
lucasvowell I don't care if it's new12:31
juliuxhehe12:33
cbx33mine has crappy wm200312:33
cbx33i want linux12:33
lucasvocbx33: which model do you have?12:34
juliuxcbx33, flash it;)12:35
cbx33dell x3i12:35
lucasvohttp://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/DellAximX312:38
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cbx33lucasvo, could you send that link again12:46
bimbericbx33: http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/DellAximX312:46
cbx33highvoltage, did you not like the section titlesbeing questions?12:47
highvoltagecbx33: not much, to be honest. for an FAQ they would be better suited.12:47
highvoltagecbx33: for a pamphlet they don't look so nice12:48
cbx33my apologies12:48
highvoltagecbx33: but if you feel strongly about it, i suppose we can change it back to questions12:48
highvoltagecbx33: no reason to apologise!12:48
cbx33"i suppose" :p12:48
highvoltagei should really have asked you before just changing it. sorry from my side.12:48
cbx33your reluctance is duly noted :p12:48
cbx33we'll go with the new titles12:49
littlepaulhighvoltage, you have experience with setting edubuntu labs in schools right?12:49
highvoltagelittlepaul: you could say so12:50
lucasvohttp://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/DellAximX312:50
lucasvocbx33: will you flash it?12:51
cbx33probably not12:52
cbx33because it's not complete12:52
cbx33there's no wifi12:52
cbx33and I must have wifi12:52
highvoltageflash! flash! flash!12:52
highvoltage:p12:52
cbx33I would but I use it too much12:52
littlepauljuliux made a draft concept for http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Edubuntu/Konzept in german. Could you fly over the text. It's in german but the contents should be readable.12:52
cbx33!seen JaneW12:54
ubotujanew <n=JaneW@dsl-146-141-13.telkomadsl.co.za> was last seen on IRC in channel #edubuntu, 2d 21m 27s ago, saying: 'will look when I am done'.12:54
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cbx33hey jsgotangco 12:56
jsgotangcohey12:56
cbx33highvoltage, has been busy updating the docs12:56
jsgotangcoive just uploaded a finished doc for About Edubuntu to be used in Yelp12:57
cbx33nice12:58
jsgotangcoonce i sort out with ogra on how we add it for -artwork, we'll have better stuff by next week12:58
juliux!seen ogra01:10
ubotuogra is currently on #edubuntu (21h 57m 51s) #ubuntu (21h 57m 51s)01:10
lucasvo!idle ogra01:11
ubotuparse error: Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, lucasvo01:11
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lucasvo /w 1801:46
cbx33juliux, still need a bug confirming?02:52
cbx33be back later02:56
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juliuxogra, i need your help03:42
juliuxogra, i want to enable sound on the thin client and set SOUND = Y in the lts.conf but it doesnt work03:43
juliuxisnt that enough?03:43
highvoltagejuliux: i'm not ogra, but that should be enough04:04
juliuxhighvoltage, but if i play a mp3 file with totem the sound output is on the server04:05
highvoltagehmmm... that sounds like a bug04:05
juliuxi have put the lts.conf in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/04:06
juliuxis this right?04:06
highvoltageyes04:06
juliux[Default] 04:06
juliux        #XSERVER            = auto04:06
juliux        #SERVER             = 192.168.23.204:06
juliux        XKBLAYOUT       = "de"04:06
juliux        X_COLOR_DEPTH   ="16"04:06
highvoltageyou should have a [default]  section04:06
juliux        SOUND           =Y04:06
juliuxthis is my lts.conf04:07
highvoltageand underneat that somewhere a SOUND=Y04:07
highvoltagethat looks fine04:07
juliuxXKBLAYOUT and X_COLOR_DEPTH works but Sound not04:07
highvoltagehave you tried playing sound in another app?04:07
highvoltagesuch as xmms, just to see what happens?04:07
juliuxi have tried mplayer04:08
juliuxalso sound output on the server04:08
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ograjuliux, its a boolean variable ;) try SOUND=True04:43
juliuxogra, thanks04:43
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ograand make sure the apps use esd (i.e. mplayer -ao esd)04:44
juliuxok i will test it04:44
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juliuxhave fun04:45
zakameogra: ping04:54
highvoltagei think we just missed him, zakame :)04:56
zakameawww04:56
juliuxhm SOUND=true also dont works04:56
zakameI was just about to talk to him about the willow SoC project04:57
juliuxhighvoltage, have you tried sound on the tc?04:59
highvoltagejuliux: yep, it worked fine for me05:16
highvoltagealthough that was still with flight 405:16
juliuxhm05:20
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cbx33hey everyone 06:11
nomadhello06:11
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cbx33gooooooooooooooooooooood evening all07:02
cbx33ping ogra highvoltage Bluekuja 07:03
highvoltageponG07:07
cbx33hey highvoltage 07:09
cbx33do we have a vmware image yet for edubuntu?07:09
cbx33was wondering if that might be useful too?07:09
cbx33just finished a spelling check of the page07:10
cbx33only about 6 errors07:10
juliuxcbx33, hi07:11
cbx33hi juliux did you find what you were looking for in the end?07:11
cbx33for local devices?07:11
Bluekujahey pete :)07:11
cbx33hi Andrea07:12
juliuxcbx33, find it but it doesnt work07:12
Bluekujai have added more07:12
cbx33oh07:12
cbx33did you still want me to check out that bug juliux ?07:12
juliuxcbx33, yes, start ubiquity step307:13
highvoltagei haven't thought about that. is there really a strong need for it? i suppose the live cd gives people a good chance to play with edubuntu?07:14
juliuxcbx33, try to set the time via set time07:14
cbx33ok07:14
cbx33is this in ubiquity07:14
juliuxcbx33, and then click forward what happens?07:14
juliuxcbx33, yes07:14
cbx33ok07:14
cbx33highvoltage, ok07:14
cbx33just thought that ubuntu has one07:14
juliuxcbx33, and sound isnt working here07:14
cbx33ok07:14
juliuxcbx33, on the thinclients07:14
cbx33rihgt 07:14
cbx33I can't check that one till tuesday07:15
juliuxok07:15
cbx33just downloading a live cd07:15
cbx33highvoltage, when is the next edubuntu meeting?07:15
cbx33and do you know if the first EC meeting is planned yet?07:15
Bluekuja3 may07:15
highvoltagecbx33: i think it's wednesday, 14:00 SAST / 12:00 UTC07:16
Bluekujayep 3 may07:16
highvoltageoh, ex07:16
highvoltageerm... ec07:16
Bluekujapete07:16
cbx33yes07:16
highvoltageyeah, sorry, bit tired here :)07:17
Bluekujai think that i can finish all apps this evening/night07:17
cbx33ok07:17
cbx33I'll work on rejigging the grammer07:17
cbx33getting some more screenshots07:17
Bluekujayep perfect07:17
Bluekujaokie07:17
cbx33and tying in anything I think we've missed07:17
Bluekujaok perfect07:17
cbx33highvoltage, get some rest :p07:18
cbx33I was thinking, are there many edubuntu people in the UK?07:18
highvoltagei can't, i have to debianise some tuxlab stuff07:18
cbx33it would be great if we could get edubuntu to the BETT show next year07:18
cbx33:(07:18
cbx33!seen ogra 07:19
ubotuogra is currently on #edubuntu (4h 5m 37s) #ubuntu (4h 5m 37s)07:19
cbx33it's a shame kverbos is only in spanish07:20
cbx33juliux, just about to test the bug now07:24
juliuxhighvoltage, from your dapper doko there is now also an german versio n;) 07:26
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highvoltagejuliux: wow, nice :)08:20
highvoltagejuliux: you should give me the url, then i can link to it08:20
juliuxhighvoltage, at the moment it is a draft08:21
juliuxhttp://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Edubuntu#head-f20b56b47278e8fae31b6e9160000e519254632c08:21
highvoltagedoes it have the screenshots too?08:22
juliuxyes08:24
juliuxthis are your screenshot08:24
juliuxs08:24
highvoltageok, just checking before i open, otherwise it takes up all my bandwidth08:26
juliuxah 08:30
cbx33anyone know of a program to help in designing software, like classes etc09:05
cbx33i found one ages ago but I can't think of what it was called09:05
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cbx33i don't suppose there's any chance of getting scribus 1.09:53
cbx331.3.3.1 in edubuntu09:53
cbx33instead of 1.209:54
spaceydapper has 1.2.4.109:59
spaceythat won't change10:00
cbx331.2 isn't that great10:00
Bluekujacbx33: i'm back10:25
Bluekujaare you around now?10:26
lucasvocbx33: I only knod dbdesigner10:29
lucasvofor programming10:29
lucasvoyou can design complex datastructure.10:29
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pete_hi B4zzA3 10:30
pete_hi Bluekuja 10:31
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Bluekujaoi pete10:31
cbx33oi10:31
cbx33i had some problems with the live cd10:31
Bluekujaoh10:32
Bluekujaproblems about?10:32
cbx33khangman woudnt load10:32
Bluekujaaww10:32
cbx33and gcompris crashed out once10:32
Bluekujanot good10:32
Bluekujai'm not having that problem10:32
Bluekujaall seems to work ok10:32
highvoltagecbx33: is this on the beta cd?10:34
Bluekujayep jon10:35
Bluekujawe are testing new beta10:35
cbx33highvoltage, yes testing the very latest cd10:40
cbx33is ogra about10:40
cbx33i have the terminal output from khangman10:41
cbx33gcompris only crashed once10:41
cbx33and i couldn;t get a log of what happend10:41
cbx33but i never manged to get khangman to load10:41
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Bluekujahi bimberi10:47
bimberihi Bluekuja 10:49
highvoltagehi bimberi 10:49
Bluekujahave you looked at changes?10:49
bimberihi highvoltage 10:50
bimberii'm just looking know (hence so laggy :P)10:50
Bluekujaeheh10:51
bimberiwow - the apps list/description/scrrenshots has grown :)10:52
Bluekujayep :)10:52
Bluekujai worked on it before10:52
bimberis/rr/re/10:52
cbx33Bluekuja, has done some sterling work today10:52
cbx33:p10:52
Bluekujaalso highvoltage and cbx33 have added more10:52
Bluekujapete10:52
Bluekujawhen i open10:53
Bluekujaadd/remove applications10:53
Bluekujain applications menu10:53
cbx33yes?10:53
Bluekujait opens synaptic10:53
Bluekujain breezy was different10:53
Bluekujaand also more usefull10:53
cbx33oh10:53
Bluekujado you get the same?10:54
cbx33not sure10:54
cbx33i'm back on breezy now10:54
Bluekujahighvoltage, bimberi10:55
Bluekujawhich release are you using?10:55
bimberiBluekuja: hm?10:55
bimberiboth10:55
Bluekujawhen you open /10:55
Bluekujaadd/remove10:55
Bluekujaapps10:55
Bluekujain application menu10:55
highvoltageBluekuja: i'm on dapper10:55
highvoltageBluekuja: dist-upgraded, not from beta cd10:56
Bluekujaok, if you open appsmenu--> add/remove apps10:56
Bluekujawhat does it open?10:56
bimberifor me it's just called "Add/Remove..." and it opens "gnome-app-install"10:58
bimberi(i'm on a non-updated edubuntu beta)10:58
Bluekujaif i click on it i get synaptic10:58
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Bluekujahi burgundavia10:59
highvoltagehi Burgundavia 11:00
Burgundaviasalut Bluekuja, highvoltage11:00
Bluekuja;)11:00
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Bluekujajon what about you?11:00
Bluekujaoh nice11:00
Bluekujahehe11:00
highvoltageBluekuja: i'm experimenting with some debian pre-seeds11:01
Bluekujaoh okie11:01
Bluekuja:)11:01
cbx33oooooooh11:01
Bluekujawell i open a bug for it11:01
Bluekujathats not normal11:01
cbx33ok11:01
cbx33maybe I'll do the same for khangman later when i retest it11:02
bimberiright-click on the Applications menu and open the menu editor to see what the entries command is - for me its '/usr/bin/gnome-app-install'11:02
bimberiBluekuja: what are you running - up-to-date?11:02
Bluekujalet me take a look11:03
Bluekujaby the way11:03
Bluekujano im not running up-to-date11:03
enycmeep ;-)11:04
bimberihighvoltage: that "volunteerism" blog entry is most excellent (i was looking at #ubuntu-meeting logs the other day)11:05
highvoltagebimberi: heh. thanks.11:05
bimberihttp://jonathancarter.co.za/?p=24 (for those who haven't seen it)11:05
highvoltagedon't believe the hype!11:05
bimberilol11:06
Bluekujai have found the problem with gnome-app-install11:09
Bluekujaif i run it from bash i get this11:09
Bluekuja  File "/usr/bin/gnome-app-install", line 20, in ?11:09
Bluekuja    from AppInstall.AppInstall import AppInstall11:09
Bluekuja  File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/AppInstall/AppInstall.py", line 62, in ?11:09
Bluekuja    from SoftwareProperties.aptsources import SourcesList, is_mirror11:09
BluekujaImportError: cannot import name is_mirror11:09
highvoltagegoodnight, #edubuntu!11:30
Bluekujagoodnight jon11:30
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