[12:08] <Riddell> \sh: if you have any ideas why ubiquity doesn't like unicode strings that would be very welcome :)
[12:08] <Riddell> e.g bug 41893
[12:08] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 41893 in ubiquity "missing unicode conversion in kde-ui's disk selector" [Major,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/41893
[12:10] <\sh> Riddell: what about an approach like this? 
[12:10] <\sh> message=unicode(i18n("Do you want to set the card %1 (%2) as def
[12:10] <\sh> ault?").arg(listItem.text(0)).arg(listItem.text(1)))
[12:10] <\sh> which works nicely with qstrings and python unicode strings
[12:11] <Riddell> \sh: yes, that's the sort of thing I've been doing, but qstring and python strings should work together in my opinion
[12:11] <\sh> Riddell: they don't :)
[12:13] <\sh> the problem was, when I remember correctly, that qstring is not a "real" string representation like Cstrings and python is using something which is closer to a c-string...it should be possible to interchange QCString and Python strings, but with loosing qts unicode feature of qstring, cause QCString is more a bytestream
[12:14] <\sh> there was a discussion on pykde ML...I have to check the archives.
[12:20] <Riddell> \sh: do you think the new updates might fix these? http://mats.imk.fraunhofer.de/pipermail/pykde/2006-April/013059.html
[12:22] <\sh> hmm...do you have a reproducable piece of code?
[12:22] <\sh> I can try just now with the new packages (pykde is still missing but compiling now)
[12:24] <Riddell> \sh: the top one only happens on amd64
[12:24] <\sh> yeah...no problem :) binaries are amd64 at my place :)
[12:24] <Riddell> \sh: try kde ubiquity then
[12:25] <\sh> Riddell: I can start it from a normal dapper install? I can't reinstall the amd64 server here...no display here ... so only remote display 
[12:25] <Riddell> \sh: yeah should be fine on an install, the crash is after you click Next for the first time, it won't destroy anything that early on
[12:26] <\sh> ok..will test 
[12:40] <\sh> Riddell: http://lists.kde.org/?l=pykde&m=113023543205131&w=2 and the following answers in this thread are quite interesting :)
[12:41] <\sh> but thinking of only crashing on amd64 it could be as well another regression somewhere else then sip/pyqt/pykde
[12:44] <robotgeek> what version of qt did we have in breezy?
[12:46] <\sh> ii  libqt3-mt      3.3.6-1ubuntu3 Qt GUI Library (Threaded runtime version), V
[12:48] <\sh> oh in breezy
[12:48] <\sh> 3:3.3.4-8ubuntu5: amd64 i386 powerpc 
[12:57] <kmon> hi
[01:05] <\sh> guys, that's one of the best explaination of "fck, the worlds not using ascii at all" http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/Unicode.html
[01:15] <robotgeek> I'm going to punish you by making you peel onions for 6 months. 
[01:15] <robotgeek> or you can make someone code in perl (end troll)
[01:16] <robotgeek> \sh__: thanks, i will read that article. :)
[01:16] <\sh__> Just read some other articles from joel...and they are so "right" :)
[01:17] <\sh__> http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000339.html about "sitting in the office, try to code something...but nothing happens"...:) great article...and it matches real life experience :)
[02:14] <\sh> Riddell: read the discussion on 
[02:15] <\sh> #u-d regarding laptop fn- key support?
[02:19] <\sh> oh doomed pressed ctrl-c on the wrong shell
[08:36] <Hobbsee> ooh goody, a bug for tonio...
[08:37] <freeflying> Hobbsee: hi
[08:37] <Hobbsee> hey freeflying 
[08:38] <freeflying> Hobbsee: still here in weekend? heh
[08:38] <Hobbsee> i just got home from work...
[09:11] <freeflying> Riddell: around?
[09:28] <Tonio_> hey
[09:30] <freeflying> Tonio_: hi
[09:30] <Tonio_> freeflying: ;)
[09:31] <freeflying> Tonio_: how about the weekend :)
[09:31] <Tonio_> Lure: what to do finally ? do I make the uvfe with current knm package, or do you want to take time to correct the svn version's issue ?
[09:31] <Tonio_> freeflying: very nice hehe ;)
[09:31] <Tonio_> special WE in france since monday if free too ;)
[09:32] <Lure> Tonio_: I would send e-mail to Timo with patches that make upstream and ask him about this automake problem and how he actually builds (also ask him about po packages). 
[09:32] <Tonio_> Lure: I agree with you, but dapper will not be released in 4 month...
[09:32] <Lure> Tonio_: and see if 0.1 will be released with SuSE 10.1 release which I think is a matter of days (or mostly weeks)
[09:32] <Tonio_> we should do quick, that's the problem
[09:33] <Tonio_> 2 weeks is too much, we will not be able to make it is in more than a week to me
[09:33] <freeflying> Lure: I still can not resume from s2disk on ppc
[09:33] <Lure> Tonio_: I can write him an e-mail if you want and if we do not get answer on Monday, we go with what we have (maybe we solve the svn build by them)
[09:33] <Tonio_> Lure: that is nice yes ;)
[09:34] <Tonio_> not that I don't want to make propper, but well, I would be sad missing the update since we did "to long and good" ;)
[09:34] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: i have good news and i have bad news...
[09:34] <Tonio_> Lure: do you want the patches ?
[09:34] <Tonio_> like separator, desktop file etc... ?
[09:34] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: come on, what happens !!!
[09:35] <Lure> Tonio_: can you sjust put source package on your repo?
[09:35] <Tonio_> Lure: done
[09:35] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: well, it works beautifully.  but there's a typo in the .desktop file
[09:35] <Lure> Hobbsee: fixed
[09:35] <Lure> ;-)
[09:35] <Hobbsee> ah ok :)
[09:35] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: already fixed yes :)
[09:35] <Hobbsee> :P
[09:35] <Tonio_> ketworkmanager ?
[09:36] <Lure> freeflying: is this regression (does it work with klaptop and/or hibernate.sh)?
[09:36] <Tonio_> Lure: repo version isn't the latest
[09:36] <Tonio_> just wait 15 minutes and grab it, it'll be okay
[09:37] <freeflying> Lure: haven't tested klaptop
[09:37] <Lure> freeflying: can you test sudo /etc/acpi/hibernate.sh (maybe first from text, then from KDE)?
[09:37] <Tonio_> Lure: I was confirmed that hybernate issues are fixed with knetworkmanager
[09:38] <Tonio_> autoreconnect works nicelly, and that has to be added to the uvfe
[09:38] <Lure> Tonio_: great
[09:38] <freeflying> Lure: no hibernate.sh :)
[09:41] <Tonio_> Lure: to earn time, I will prepare the uvfe, text and files, so that if we decide to go with it, I'll post in 5 minutes and ping siretart and slomo, as knetworkmanager is a major feature for kubuntu
[09:41] <Tonio_> it has to be a priority
[09:43] <Hobbsee> i cant honestly say how it couldnt be pushed to main, even if it is a little buggy - it's better than anything else we have
[09:43] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: little buggy ?
[09:44] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: main inclusion is planned this week, same time than wlassistant
[09:44] <Lure> Hobbsee: I think that pitti's concern was why so many wifi managers in main (kwifimanager, wlassistant and knm)
[09:44] <Hobbsee> well, even if it's not absolutely perfect, doesnt have the dialup and vpn support, for instant
[09:44] <Hobbsee> remove the first one..simple :P
[09:44] <Tonio_> kwifimanager will be replaced by wlassistant
[09:44] <Tonio_> and knm will be available but not shipped by default
[09:44] <Tonio_> that's the plan
[09:45] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: to me dialup stuff isn't the concern of a networkmanager tool
[09:45] <Hobbsee> true
[09:45] <Tonio_> that's not the purpose, so not an issue removing it ;)
[09:46] <Lure> Tonio_: did you put rebuilt binary package also to you repo (it did not update with typo fix yet)
[09:46] <Tonio_> conerning vpn..... well, we were about to have them modules in, just before they stopped working for some f*cking reason
[09:47] <Tonio_> Lure: assume yes
[09:47] <Tonio_> but you have to wait 15 minutes for the repo to auto-update
[09:47] <Tonio_> let me update manually ;)
[09:47] <Lure> Tonio_: I have just seen discussion on n-m ML about it - they change internals often and that cause all kind of issues
[09:47] <Tonio_> Lure: done
[09:48] <Tonio_> Lure: can be due to latest update then
[09:48] <Lure> Tonio_: it seems it is hard to assume which n-m-vpn version is compatible with which which n-m
[09:48] <Tonio_> Lure: okay, that may explain ;)
[09:49] <Tonio_> Lure: once n-m gets mature and stabilized in its code, that may not happen
[09:49] <Tonio_> then we can ship vpn modules, and hopefully qt ones
[09:51] <Tonio_> Lure: I was thinking, are you ubuntu-member actually ? or ubuntu-dev member ?
[09:51] <Tonio_> Lure: concerning patche,s we can have them in with Riddell or danimo, since they have upload rights
[09:52] <Tonio_> Lure: but I think it is better to inform timo in the first place ;) respect !
[09:59] <Lure> Tonio_: I am candidate for membership (last time there was not enough time), so I hope to get in on next meeting (Tue)
[10:00] <Lure> Tonio_: I would like to understand how Timo uses SVN (missing po, admin...)
[10:03] <Tonio_> Lure: come to me then, I don't want to miss the oportunity to support you !
[10:03] <Tonio_> how is that possible that our best patcher isn't already member ? 
[10:03] <Tonio_> that's a shame
[10:03] <Lure> Tonio_: will do - thanks
[10:03] <Tonio_> Lure: pleasure :)
[10:05] <Lure> Tonio_: no hurry - good thing about Ubuntu is that you can get your patches even if you are not a member/developer ;-)
[10:06] <Tonio_> Lure: yes
[10:06] <Tonio_> Lure: that's the reason I stopped debian
[10:07] <Tonio_> Lure: if you are not readdy to send 5 mails a day for 3 month to get a 2 lignes patch in, no need to even think about it
[10:07] <Tonio_> Lure: starting contributing too linux distro is generally a pain as long as you are not "aknoledged"
[10:07] <Lure> Tonio_: Ubuntu community really rock (and Kubuntu even more ;-)
[10:08] <Tonio_> that's the reason the ubuntu community grows that fast
[10:08] <Tonio_> it is vertainly the most "opened" I've seen
[10:08] <Tonio_> everyone can simply come on irc, present his work, and get it is in a few minutes
[10:09] <Tonio_> Lure: kubuntu community is by far better than the ubuntu one, and that may never change, for a very simple reason ;)
[10:09] <Tonio_> you and I are in............ ^_^
[10:09] <Tonio_> but honnestly, malone or rosetta are helping a lot
[10:10] <Tonio_> can you imagin for someone that doesn know the debian organization, what a mess it is to simply asking for contributing ? :)
[10:12] <Tonio_> but I'm happy with one thing : the relationship between ubuntu and debian and other distros
[10:12] <Tonio_> I remember that when ubuntu was released, it has been criticized a lot.
[10:13] <Tonio_> that's over now :)
[10:28] <Lure> Tonio_: sent e-mail to Timo (cc: MBiebl)
[10:28] <Lure> check if I captured everything...
[10:30] <Tonio_> Lure: nice ;) 
[10:31] <Tonio_> Lure: did you include the french translation patch ?
[10:31] <Lure> yes
[10:31] <Tonio_> that was a real error, saying the oposite than what it should ;)
[10:31] <Lure> separator, french, desktop and reportbug
[10:31] <Tonio_> bice
[10:31] <Tonio_> s/b/n
[10:36] <Lure> Tonio_: you sure you uploaded new binary knm? Still no update for me (and old .desktop)
[10:38] <Tonio_> Lure: hu ?
[10:38] <Tonio_> I uploaded this morning
[10:38] <Tonio_> let me check
[10:39] <marseillai> Riddell: with there is a kuickshow problem : you have remove it but when we associate it with image mime type this association is kept! it should be replace by another association as gwenview or anything else (even if in my mind it doesn't replace kuickshow)
[10:39] <Lure> btw: does anybody else get OOo Draw in Graphics (I always though OOo is only in Office)
[10:39] <Lure> Tonio_: ^^^ is this job for k-d-s?
[10:40] <marseillai> Lure: it does the same with krita .... 
[10:40] <uniq> lure: i have oo draw in graphics.
[10:41] <Lure> uniq: so at least I did not do that ;-) But I have never noticed this before...
[10:41] <Tonio_> Lure: yes, I have OOo too
[10:41] <Tonio_> Lure: it appears I have some cache issue or something
[10:41] <uniq> me neither.. i seldom use menus though. alt+f2 :)
[10:41] <Tonio_> the deb isn't the latest one
[10:42] <Tonio_> Lure: I'm correcting this
[10:42] <Lure> uniq: I do mostly Atl+Space ;-)
[10:45] <Tonio_> Lure: you'll get it in in 5 minutes, but I suggest you purge your apt cache :)
[10:47] <Tonio_> Lure: did you ?
[10:47] <Tonio_> and restart kde since the kmenu sync sometime fails
[10:51] <danimo> moin Lure, Tonio_
[10:51] <Tonio_> hey danimo ;)
[10:51] <danimo> Lure: why does timo miss .po and admin?
[10:52] <danimo> Lure: we have scripts for that :)
[10:52] <Tonio_> danimo: but even with admin and po, build fails, with a (really) strange error
[10:53] <danimo> Tonio_: what error?
[10:54] <Tonio_> danimo: don't have the buildlog here
[10:54] <Tonio_> Lure: do you still have it ?
[10:54] <Tonio_> danimo: something about undeclared m4 maccro
[10:54] <danimo> Tonio_: does it warn or error out?
[10:55] <Tonio_> danimo: error out, build fails
[10:56] <Tonio_> impossile to apply make -f admin/Makefile.common because of this
[10:56] <Tonio_> danimo: and that even with the latest admin folder version
[10:56] <danimo> odd
[10:56] <Tonio_> so I assume suse has customized admin folder or something that isn't on the svn for the moment
[10:56] <Tonio_> danimo: let me get the svn source and show you the error
[10:57] <danimo> ok
[10:58] <marseillai> does someone could report this so little mistake i don't know who to report : in this page https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2006-April/000072.html for europe link there is a mistake beetween name kubuntu and edubuntu in third link
[11:00] <Tonio_> danimo: http://pastebin.com/689943
[11:00] <Tonio_> danimo: if you have any idea ;)
[11:01] <Tonio_> marseillai: true, but I think all readers would have correct this themselves
[11:02] <marseillai> oki
[11:03] <Lure> Tonio_: knm did not update (still)
[11:03] <Tonio_> Lure: ?
[11:03] <Lure> danimo: which scripts for collecting admin and po dirs...
[11:03] <Tonio_> Lure: well let me dcc the deb file to you ;)
[11:03] <Tonio_> I'll look at that later
[11:03] <Tonio_> Lure: ok for dcc ?
[11:03] <Lure> Tonio_: it is strange, as it always worked before...
[11:04] <Lure> Tonio_: ok
[11:04] <Tonio_> you can accept ;)
[11:04] <Tonio_> Lure: I had a server crash yesterday, maybe there is something broken
[11:09] <danimo> Lure, Tonio_: do you use svn2dist btw?
[11:09] <Lure> danimo: not me (new to kde svn really)
[11:10] <Lure> danimo: where do I get it?
[11:11] <Tonio_> danimo: nore do I
[11:11] <danimo> http://websvn.kde.org/branches/KDE/3.5/kdesdk/scripts/svn2dist?rev=511836&view=auto
[11:11] <danimo> that's the "standard" way to rip kde apps off their module
[11:12] <danimo> except for amarok I think, they have their own little ruby script
[11:14] <Lure> danimo: thanks will try
[11:14] <Tonio_> danimo: yes, sounds nice ;)
[11:14] <Tonio_> I only used "svn co"
[11:15] <Tonio_> Lure: I think the script is in kubuntu by default ;)
[11:15] <Tonio_> tonio@kubuntu:~$ whereis svn2dist
[11:15] <Tonio_> svn2dist: /usr/bin/svn2dist /usr/bin/X11/svn2dist
[11:16] <Lure> true 
[11:16] <kmon> hi
[11:16] <Tonio_> hey kmon
[11:16] <Tonio_> I have to clean my appartment
[11:17] <Tonio_> my sister and her girlfriend are coming toonight....
[11:17] <Tonio_> and it is a total mess
[11:20] <kmon> does anyone know when kde 3.5.3 will come out?
[11:20] <Tonio_> kmon: assume too late for dapper ;)
[11:21] <kmon> Tonio_: yes. I also assume that
[11:21] <Tonio_> I don't think Riddellwill take the risk to implement it so lately, since we had a big, big bunch of issues with breezy when doing that
[11:21] <kmon> are you backporting things from there?
[11:21] <Tonio_> kmon: the kdeprint stuff is already in, and works nicelly
[11:21] <Tonio_> that was, for many, the major issue
[11:22] <kmon> aham
[11:22] <Tonio_> what ?
[11:22] <kmon> I see
[11:22] <danimo> kdeprint may work, but ghostview and/or the filters are incredibly broken
[11:22] <Tonio_> but if 3.5.3 is out before dapper and changelog refers to big big issues corrected, I assume there will be other backports
[11:23] <Tonio_> danimo: ah ? I didn't test this
[11:23] <kmon> Tonio_: The changelog is already online: http://www.kde.org/announcements/changelogs/changelog3_5_2to3_5_3.php
[11:23] <danimo> Tonio_: I opened a malone bugreport
[11:23] <danimo> no reply yet
[11:23] <danimo> Tonio_: it won't be out before dapper
[11:23] <Tonio_> kmon: I know, but that's not the final ;)
[11:23] <Tonio_> danimo: which bug plz ?
[11:24] <kmon> I would like to see what is this: New: KDE startup reordered in order to improve startup time
[11:24] <kmon> :)
[11:24] <danimo> Tonio_: feature freeze is on tuesday, and then the translators get another 3 weeks or so
[11:24] <Tonio_> danimo: okay ;)
[11:25] <Lure> danimo: so it will be just before dapper ;-)
[11:25] <Tonio_> Lure: so too late....
[11:25] <danimo> Lure: I doubt you will get an exception at this point :)
[11:25] <Tonio_> Lure: remember the consequences of adding 3.4.3 in breezy ?
[11:25] <kmon> Can I ask a support question here? It's weekend :P
[11:25] <Lure> Tonio_: I know, I was just teasing kmon... ;-)
[11:25] <Lure> kmon: sure
[11:26] <kmon> where can I disable IPv6 in dapper?
[11:26] <Tonio_> we in a few seconds switched from a stable kde to a kind of broken stuff, 2 days before release.... ;)
[11:26] <danimo> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/cupsys/+bug/41800
[11:26] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 41800 in cupsys "Cups fails to print any file with Brother HL-1430" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  
[11:26] <Tonio_> danimo: that's a cups stuff, not a kdeprint ;)
[11:27] <Tonio_> danimo: there is still a discussion for cupsys
[11:27] <danimo> Tonio_: that's what I said :)
[11:27] <Lure> kmon in /etc/modprobe.d/aliases comment out alias net-pf-10 ipv6
[11:27] <Tonio_> I think 1.1 packages could be available if there are too many issues still before release
[11:27] <danimo> about rolling back to 1.1?
[11:27] <Lure> kmon: I think it is documented somewhere in wiki
[11:27] <Tonio_> that was on the way 2 weeks ago
[11:27] <Tonio_> danimo: that has been discuss, but I don't know the latest statements on this
[11:28] <Tonio_> danimo: Riddell has the information
[11:28] <Lure> Tonio_: I think that time has passed - pitti seems satisfied with recent rc3...
[11:28] <kmon> Lure: thanks I'll have a look at it
[11:28] <Tonio_> Lure: then forget what I said ;)
[11:28] <Lure> danimo: can you give us quick tutorial on svn2dist? ;-)
[11:29] <Tonio_> yes, could be interesting :)
[11:29] <Lure> danimo: we want to pull this: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/kdereview/knetworkmanager/
[11:30] <Tonio_> danimo: it'll be easier to get approval for freeze exception if we get the latest svn version in fact
[11:30] <Tonio_> since my actual tarball is a mix of svn and suse src-rpm package
[11:31] <Tonio_> works, but not can sound dirty method for ubuntu gurus ;)
[11:32] <danimo> Lure: yes, worked fine for me, just without i18n
[11:32] <danimo> Lure: but that should work as wll
[11:32] <danimo> so what I did was:
[11:32] <danimo> cd src
[11:32] <danimo> ls kdene*
[11:32] <danimo> err
[11:32] <danimo> ls kdere*
[11:32] <danimo> kdereview
[11:33] <danimo> ls kdereview/
[11:33] <danimo> admin  configure.in.in  INDEX  INSTALL  knetworkmanager  Makefile.am.in  Makefile.cvs  README
[11:33] <danimo> (you can have all the other apps checked out as well, just make sure the directly is svn clean)
[11:34] <danimo> then, in src/, do: svn2dist kdereview/ knetworkmanager
[11:34] <danimo> and that's about it
[11:34] <danimo> the more verbose options are nicely explained in --help
[11:34] <danimo> when you're done, you'll get both a tar.bz2 and a .tar.gz
[11:35] <danimo> Lure: just try it
[11:35] <Tonio_> danimo: interesting :)
[11:35] <danimo> and it also has run make -f Makefile.{cvs,svn} for you
[11:35] <danimo> so you just need to run "configure" from there
[11:36] <Tonio_> danimo: trying
[11:36] <danimo> yes, it's a nice script
[11:36] <danimo> originally developed for kdeextragear afaik
[11:37] <marseillai> Lure: can i ask you a little question about kpowersave or you are too busy ?
[11:37] <Lure> marseillai: of course
[11:38] <marseillai> i really like it but i can't hibernate with it! is there a way to use the klaptopdaemon way to hibernate with kpowersave ?
[11:38] <Lure> marseillai: so this is regression from klaptop?
[11:39] <danimo> Tonio_: doesn't build, though, but you said you removed the serviceiface dependency, right?
[11:39] <marseillai> to me no because it's a great apps! and if i can use the klaptop way to hibernate i switch!
[11:39] <Lure> danimo: you need patch from Tonio's debian package
[11:40] <hunger> marseillai: Is that a problem with kpowersave or the kernel/
[11:40] <danimo> well, the important point is that you get a usable tar.gz package to proceed from
[11:40] <Lure> marseillai: but hibernate worked under klaptop?
[11:40] <marseillai> yes
[11:40] <hunger> marseillai: I am asking because I can no longer suspend due to a problem that will be fixed in the next kernel release.
[11:40] <marseillai> hunger: kpower! because klaptop can hibernate fine!
[11:40] <Lure> marseillai: best would be to sumbit bug with details about notebook and then I can look into what might be wrong
[11:40] <Tonio_> danimo: exactly ;)
[11:41] <Tonio_> as long as we have a tarball, we are fine to make it work :)
[11:41] <marseillai> Lure: oki will do!
[11:41] <hunger> marseillai: So then it is something different from my problem:-(
[11:41] <Lure> marseillai: I have posted once in kubuntu-devel how powersave scripts can call acpi-support hibernate.sh - you may want to search for that in archives
[11:42] <Tonio_> danimo: got the tar.gz file, testing with this ;)
[11:42] <marseillai> Lure: this way : uses acpi-support infrastructure if configured EVENT_GLOBAL_SUSPEND2DISK_OTHER="suspend2" in /etc/powersave/events points to /usr/local/lib/powersave/scripts/suspend2 (fixed in v12 of powersave, works with suspend2 and with acpi-support infrastructure) ??
[11:43] <Tonio_> danimo: the only problem is that it places knetorkmanager in a subdirectory
[11:43] <danimo> marseillai: since when does ubuntu have suspend2?
[11:43] <Lure> marseillai: I did not triy that, but sebas mentioned that he is using this...
[11:43] <Tonio_> that well result a crappy debdiff
[11:43] <danimo> Tonio_: why is that a problem?
[11:43] <Tonio_> danimo: that's an issue for UVFe
[11:43] <marseillai> oki! not using susp2 so not the answer to my problem! :)
[11:43] <Tonio_> cause that will deeply change the source package structure
[11:43] <marseillai> will look
[11:43] <danimo> Tonio_: ok, let me try something
[11:44] <Tonio_> danimo: that's not an issue except when you are in a freeze state, and that every update is deeply checked
[11:44] <Lure> marseillai: check this: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2006-February/000823.html
[11:44] <Tonio_> Lure: don't you agree ?
[11:45] <Lure> Tonio_: it will make it harder, but we may just provide a proper diff and persuade them that this is it?
[11:45] <hunger> For when is the release planned again?
[11:45] <Tonio_> Lure: I think it'll be harder than the current package
[11:46] <Lure> Tonio_: true, but we need to bite into this sooner than later, as it will be harder to support later...
[11:46] <Tonio_> concerning the current we can always say that it is "synced with latest suse tarball"
[11:46] <Tonio_> means that it can be considered stable, when the latest svn may not
[11:46] <Tonio_> that's a good point
[11:46] <danimo> Tonio_: nope, no idea how to cut that
[11:47] <danimo> Tonio_: would need some more investigation
[11:47] <Tonio_> danimo: btw, thanks for the info, that'll help in the future !!!
[11:47] <Tonio_> danimo: it is not adapted to our current specific status
[11:47] <danimo> Tonio_: I'm really suprised that this was not common knowledge
[11:47] <Tonio_> if we were not in uvf process, that wouldn't be a problem
[11:48] <danimo> Tonio_: I'm sure you could fix the script to fulfill your needs
[11:48] <Tonio_> danimo: hehe ;) that is certainly for kde devs, but as I'm not a developper....
[11:48] <danimo> Tonio_: this is a script created for release dudes and packagers in first place :)
[11:48] <Tonio_> danimo: maybe yes, but that can be long, and we have very, very short time to get that uvf exception....
[11:48] <danimo> Tonio_: what's uvf?
[11:48] <Tonio_> a few days, not more, so has we have a fully working package, I think we shouldn't waste time on this
[11:49] <Tonio_> danimo: upstream version freeze
[11:49] <danimo> Tonio_: and how did you make it buil dbefore?
[11:49] <Tonio_> danimo: actually, every version update on a ubuntu package requires an exception request, that is deeply checked
[11:49] <Lure> danimo: problem is that original dapper knm package was build on tar taken from some src.rpm 
[11:49] <Tonio_> that is in the aim for stability
[11:49] <danimo> ic
[11:49] <Lure> danimo: and now we need to request UVFe for version from SVN and we want to have small debdiff
[11:49] <Tonio_> danimo: so the less structure changes we have, the easier it is to get the update in
[11:50] <Tonio_> and the current package, except that it isn't the latest svn one, is really nice
[11:50] <Tonio_> diff.gz file is only 7k, means very clean sources
[11:50] <Lure> danimo: svn2dist is new to me as I am only 2 months messing with KDE code (just patches for Kubuntu) and never used SVN (just Kubuntu source packages)
[11:51] <Tonio_> danimo: and concerning myself, although that's not an excuse, consider I'm a linux user for only 1 year ;)
[11:51] <Tonio_> I am an EX windows guru ;)
[11:51] <Tonio_> so I still have some "common knowledge" thigns to learn :)
[11:51] <danimo> heh
[11:51] <Tonio_> I am a newbie in fact :)
[11:51] <danimo> I wasn't out to blame you
[11:52] <Tonio_> danimo: I didn't took that as a blame ;)
[11:52] <Lure> Tonio_: I really do not know who allowed you and me to mess with Ubuntu packages ;-)
[11:52] <danimo> if it's not common knowledge, we did something wrong
[11:52] <Tonio_> Lure: that's the strengh of ubuntu, letting even begginers contributing
[11:52] <Tonio_> that helps ubuntu, and helps newbies to learn fast
[11:53] <Tonio_> I wouldn't have gotten that knowledge in only one year if riddell didn't invite me to contribute directly
[11:53] <Lure> Tonio_: that like when I hire engineers - if they have a will to do it is enough - they will learn anyhow ;-)
[11:53] <Tonio_> Lure: exactly
[11:53] <Tonio_> Lure: the will to do something is 95% of the job
[11:54] <Tonio_> and that is what makes the ubuntu comminity so different from debian's one
[11:54] <Tonio_> for finally, that works ;)
[11:55] <Tonio_> I think mandriva's community is about the same "opening" than the ubuntu one
[11:55] <Tonio_> except you have to pay to get access ;)
[11:57] <Tonio_> danimo: if I can give my 2 cents concerning the KDE structure, I think there are lots of things in it that should need more documentation
[11:57] <Tonio_> svn usage isn't easy to find out
[11:57] <Tonio_> BTS is (sorry for this) really messy
[11:58] <Tonio_> that doesn't help new contributors to help
[11:58] <danimo> there is s tutorial on svn on developer.kde.org
[11:58] <Tonio_> developper.kde.org is intended for developpers
[11:58] <danimo> and yes, bugzilla needs a lot more love
[11:58] <danimo> no
[11:58] <Tonio_> someone that just did a little patch will not de facto think of going there in my view
[11:58] <danimo> not only
[11:58] <Tonio_> danimo: but that's what a newbie will think about
[11:58] <danimo> why do non-developing contributors take the word so personally? :)
[11:59] <danimo> would you feel better if we symlinked it contributors.kde.org?
[11:59] <Tonio_> danimo: I think resources are there, but not easy to find, that's my feeling
[11:59] <Tonio_> danimo: and really the bts is an issue
[11:59] <danimo> yes, it is
[11:59] <Tonio_> search for a bug and you'll find everything except the one you're interested in.........
[12:00] <Tonio_> why not simply removing or caching the kde 2 ones ?
[12:00] <danimo> Tonio_: that's true for every bugzilla, though
[12:00] <danimo> Tonio_: KDE 2 bugs?
[12:00] <Tonio_> danimo: I know ;)
[12:00] <Tonio_> considering malone ? ^^ ;)
[12:00] <Tonio_> danimo: it is hard to find a bug for a specific version of kde
[12:01] <danimo> KDE 2 bugs should all be closed
[12:01] <Tonio_> danimo: so why do we find them when making a simple search ?
[12:01] <Tonio_> closed bugs should be hidden for example
[12:01] <danimo> Tonio_: I doubt we will changed to $funky_bts_of_the_day, since our problem is a contribution one really
[12:01] <Tonio_> danimo: yes kde misses the amount of contribution gnome has
[12:02] <danimo> our bts-maintainance-team is a one man show, really
[12:02] <danimo> Tonio_: in what respect?
[12:02] <Tonio_> danimo: I didn't knew that, that explains, indeed
[12:02] <danimo> Tonio_: you should really come to linuxtag so we can discuss this in details :)
[12:02] <Tonio_> I will on saturday ;)
[12:03] <Tonio_> I'll be pleased to discuss that with you and a good beer ;)
[12:03] <danimo> Tonio_: ah, cool, we'll meet then
[12:03] <Tonio_> Lure: :'(
[12:03] <Tonio_> yup
[12:03] <danimo> Lure: sorry for my ignorance, but what is .si ?
[12:03] <Tonio_> danimo: that's an issue
[12:03] <Lure> Tonio_: it is 8-9 hour train (one way!) or strange hours flights...
[12:04] <Lure> danimo: Slovenia
[12:04] <danimo> ah
[12:04] <Tonio_> danimo: users generally prefer kde, but about all developpers are under gnome
[12:04] <danimo> Tonio_: I don't share that view, but it might be a tendency
[12:04] <Tonio_> danimo: not "all" that's an image yes ;)
[12:05] <Tonio_> debian's developpers are generally gnome users, same for redhat etc....
[12:05] <danimo> Tonio_: anyway, if you have concrete ideas on improvement, we're glad to hear about them
[12:05] <Tonio_> but final users seem to generally prefer kde
[12:05] <Tonio_> danimo: I have, raphink has too
[12:05] <danimo> Tonio_: some structures in the KDE community still haven't been changed since the foundation in 1996
[12:05] <danimo> Tonio_: although we changed a _lot_ in our processes
[12:05] <Tonio_> danimo: the advantage is that since most of us a new contributors, we have an objective view of the situation :)
[12:06] <Tonio_> for example debian developers are fine with their tools
[12:06] <danimo> Tonio_: we just have to keep a huge project running inbetween all those modifications :)
[12:06] <kmon> I hope you guys keep us up to date with linuxtag & kubuntu :)
[12:06] <Tonio_> but honnestly, the debian structure is horribly complex for a new contributor
[12:06] <danimo> Tonio_: I was about to say... :)
[12:06] <danimo> kmon: sure
[12:06] <Tonio_> that's a point where mark is absolutly right
[12:07] <Tonio_> I do share his opinion on this
[12:07] <Tonio_> danimo: hehe ;)
[12:08] <Tonio_> danimo: can you imagin the amount of knowledge required to simply "translate" an app ?
[12:08] <danimo> Tonio_: I was under the impression that everyone who does packages would be on the kde packagers list for instance
[12:08] <kmon> do you guys have already think about what to do for next release?
[12:08] <Tonio_> translating should only require "speaking 2 languages"
[12:08] <danimo> Tonio_: isn't that the case?
[12:09] <Tonio_> danimo: I don't think so
[12:09] <Tonio_> danimo: actually, it requires access to sources, svn eventually
[12:09] <Tonio_> my girlfriend will never make usage of this, but she can use rosetta
[12:09] <danimo> Tonio_: KDE has great translation support, and even a dedicated webpage with loads of tutorials, etc
[12:10] <Tonio_> danimo: true, but most people are not ready to read tutorials
[12:10] <danimo> Tonio_: well, for translations you need to
[12:10] <danimo> Tonio_: just for the conventions
[12:10] <Tonio_> danimo: not with rosetta for example
[12:10] <danimo> otherwise the results will be inconsistant and crappy
[12:10] <danimo> that's not a technical issue
[12:10] <Tonio_> I can translate on my windows work computer during lunch
[12:10] <danimo> I was a translator myself in the first days
[12:11] <danimo> Tonio_: I agree that rosetta _is_ a great improvement
[12:11] <Tonio_> yes, sometimes it is important if you want the translated phrase to be correct in the context
[12:11] <Tonio_> danimo: although rosetta isn't perfect at all
[12:11] <danimo> Tonio_: but you can't replace everything purely through technology
[12:11] <danimo> that's the other point
[12:12] <danimo> plus KDE uses a modified version of gettext
[12:12] <danimo> I'm not sure if rosetta can handle that already
[12:12] <Tonio_> but I like the idea of the user seeying the app isn't fully translated, making a right click and see "translate this application"
[12:12] <Tonio_> that is in ubuntu already, not kubuntu
[12:13] <Tonio_> the user is invited to contribute in an easy way, and then, if he likes, he will spend time to go deeply in the underground world of contribution ;)
[12:13] <danimo> Tonio_: this is the wikipedia approach on translations
[12:13] <Tonio_> the but new user, in front of the debian machine for example, turns out and leaves
[12:13] <danimo> Tonio_: that's fine in general, but you ultimately want a review before this stuff goes anywhere near shipping
[12:13] <Tonio_> danimo: exactly, wikipedia does the same, and the gnome version of ubuntu does it for the desktop
[12:13] <danimo> Tonio_: since a bad translation can spoil everything
[12:14] <Tonio_> danimo: rosetta is reviewed
[12:14] <danimo> so every released translation needs to be an "excellent article" in wikipedia speak
[12:14] <Tonio_> there are teams which are validating and choosing the good phrase when several are given
[12:15] <danimo> Tonio_: I'm not sure what it was, but our i18n gods had some issues with rosetta. we should really talk this over at linuxtag
[12:15] <Tonio_> but well, translation is only one example
[12:15] <Tonio_> danimo: yes, I agree
[12:15] <Tonio_> there are still issues on that point
[12:15] <danimo> Tonio_: sure, we are currently looking for a way to easily let users contribute "whatsthis" strings
[12:15] <Tonio_> danimo: look at the debian's svn structure...........
[12:16] <danimo> Tonio_: hmm?
[12:16] <Tonio_> danimo: for example knetworkmanager is under........ let me check
[12:17] <Tonio_> http://svn.debian.org/ -> pkg-utopia
[12:17] <Tonio_> quite easy to find no ? ^^
[12:17] <danimo> ugh
[12:17] <danimo> at least KDE has a semi-sane svn structure
[12:17] <Tonio_> why not simply "pkg-network"
[12:17] <Tonio_> kde svn is browsable
[12:17] <Tonio_> not debian's
[12:17] <danimo> because the project was called "project utopia" when it was launched
[12:18] <danimo> that's why
[12:18] <Tonio_> danimo: why not simply putting a search engine on their website, to search for a package or branch ?
[12:18] <Tonio_> danimo: yes, but a newbie will not find that
[12:18] <danimo> *shrug*
[12:18] <danimo> Tonio_: you asked, I answered :)
[12:19] <Tonio_> danimo: hehe :)
[12:19] <Tonio_> I was just trying to expain that in my view, the problem is that many people would like to start contribution, but get afraid by the structure behind distros
[12:19] <Tonio_> a good frontend is generally missing
[12:20] <danimo> well, I think the problem sits a bit deeper
[12:20] <uniq> look at it as a test, those who pass are good,those who don't are not. :] 
[12:20] <Tonio_> danimo: maybe, but once the user has started his first contribution, he can go deeply step by step
[12:20] <danimo> the projects awareness that they could make people with few time their contributors and still get something useful out of it
[12:21] <danimo> right
[12:21] <Tonio_> uniq: I wouldn't have pass tje test for debian
[12:21] <Tonio_> since I was a real newbie
[12:21] <Tonio_> but now I did significant work for kubuntu, and that due to that "easy access" I was talking about
[12:21] <danimo> debian guys are real elitists in that you have to all kind of stuff to get accepted
[12:22] <uniq> then debian has decided that they don't want you on board.
[12:22] <danimo> for KDE, the barrier is rather low
[12:22] <danimo> you do something, you ask for an account, you're in
[12:22] <danimo> but most people don't even get there
[12:22] <Tonio_> uniq: yes, but the general benefit of "linux world", that's not good in my view
[12:22] <Tonio_> although I have the deeper respect for what debian did for the community
[12:23] <Tonio_> danimo: now the question is "why do they do it for launchpad ?"
[12:23] <Tonio_> maybe people feel closer to their distribution than the desktop manager ?
[12:23] <Tonio_> that's possible
[12:26] <danimo> well, I don't know much about launchpad
[12:26] <danimo> is it really that widely used?
[12:26] <danimo> do you know how "common" those users are?
[12:27] <Tonio_> danimo: well, imagin that we got about 1000 french translators in  few weeks
[12:27] <danimo> nice
[12:27] <Tonio_> and generally lots of bug reports, that don't come from "linux gurus"
[12:27] <danimo> are malone and rosetta free software?
[12:27] <Tonio_> danimo: neither free or proprietary, just unpublished
[12:28] <Tonio_> but they can host external projects
[12:28] <uniq> "There are currently 363443 people and 370 teams registered in Launchpad." 
[12:28] <Tonio_> btw, the code isn't public
[12:28] <danimo> Tonio_: yes, that's a bit annoying
[12:28] <Tonio_> danimo: true ;)
[12:28] <Tonio_> 363443 registered people is quite nice since ubuntu is very young
[12:29] <danimo> I usually don't whine about that, but when it comes to moving central infrastructure to something that is not explicitly free software, I'm having issues with it
[12:29] <Tonio_> even if most should be active ;)
[12:29] <Tonio_> danimo: yes, that is perfectly understandable
[12:29] <danimo> Tonio_: referring to the kernel bitkeeper issue for instance
[12:29] <marseillai> danimo: as many people use this arg to tell cannonical is evil ....
[12:29] <danimo> Tonio_:  we should have that as a discussion point for saturday
[12:30] <Tonio_> danimo: some distros are using proprietary softwares in it, not ubuntu
[12:30] <danimo> marseillai: it's not a matter of evil or not, it's a matter of saving our asses
[12:30] <Tonio_> but yes, as there are commercial aspect behind, the backend is designed to be "ubuntu only"
[12:30] <Tonio_> that's a choice, even that can cause issues for other projects that could be interested
[12:30] <danimo> Tonio_: right, but if KDE as a project starts to rely on it, that's a completely different issue
[12:31] <Tonio_> marseillai: it is not evil, and it can sound logic that to make the difference, you have to have something "unic" that others don't have
[12:31] <Tonio_> redhat has proprietary stuff
[12:31] <Tonio_> ubuntu has launchpad
[12:32] <danimo> Tonio_: sure, but we don't rely on redhat in any way
[12:32] <danimo> (technically)
[12:32] <Tonio_> that doesn't make ubuntu proprietary, but it is an issue for other projects that would like to use it, of course ;)
[12:32] <danimo> Tonio_: I'm not saying that KDE would set up its own launchpad
[12:32] <Tonio_> danimo: well, I'm talking about canonical there :) not ubuntu
[12:32] <marseillai> Tonio_: i understand that! i agree with this! but other people can say that it's not the open source way to do things!
[12:32] <danimo> but if launchpad was free software, we could if ubuntu broke away
[12:32] <Tonio_> canonical has its plans with mandriva, novell and redhat too
[12:33] <Tonio_> danimo: true
[12:33] <danimo> s/ubuntu/canonical, sure
[12:33] <Tonio_> danimo: I think mark told about releasing sources some day, and in any case if ubuntu broke
[12:34] <Tonio_> but it is still dangerous to migrate under those conditions
[12:34] <danimo> Tonio_: yes
[12:34] <danimo> I'll be interesting to talk about that
[12:34] <danimo> Riddell: can we put this up as a topic for the meeting?
[12:35] <Tonio_> danimo: yes, that could be a very interesting talk ;)
[12:36] <Riddell> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuLinuxTagMeetings
[12:36] <Riddell> put up what?
[12:37] <danimo> Riddell: KDE making use of launchpad
[12:37] <danimo> Riddell: read the backlog
[12:38] <danimo> hi Hobbsee
[12:38] <Hobbsee> hey danimo 
[12:39] <Riddell> danimo: added
[12:39] <danimo> Riddell: and Tonio_ is missing from the participants list
[12:39] <Tonio_> danimo: oups ;)
[12:39] <Riddell> although the only thing KDE would use it for is Rosetta I think
[12:39] <danimo> yes, probably
[12:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: hi and thanks for adding me, I should have done it myself
[12:42] <freeflying> Riddell: how about add an entry into menu for report bug to launchpad
[12:43] <Tonio_> freeflying: launchpad integration is planned for edgy
[12:44] <Tonio_> translation and ug report should appear right clicking on the window, like ubuntu already does
[12:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: correct me if I'm wrong ;)
[12:45] <Riddell> freeflying: there's a spec for that, kubuntu-launchpad-integration I think
[12:45] <freeflying> Tonio_:  heh, but we can add one into menu,make it easy for enduser report 
[12:45] <Tonio_> freeflying: well it is quite easy to find in the docs
[12:46] <Tonio_> which are available through the kmenu
[12:46] <freeflying> Riddell: we can use kfmclient to open lp for users
[12:47] <Riddell> the tricky bit is finding the correct launchpad url
[12:48] <Tonio_> Riddell: because it is based on source package and not binary name, am I right ?
[12:49] <Riddell> yes
[12:50] <Riddell> binary package name would do too as well I think but that's also unreliable
[12:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: marseillai told me about a good point concerning gwenview
[12:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: most image viewer accept standard shortcuts and gwenview one's are really different
[12:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: I would like to add them as secondary shortcuts
[12:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: could be nice from prople coming from windows and using acdsee of xnview I think
[12:53] <Riddell> what standard shortcuts?
[12:53] <Tonio_> for example page up/down to go next or previous image
[12:53] <Tonio_> f or alt + enter for fullscreen
[12:53] <Riddell> never heard of alt+enter for that
[12:54] <Riddell> but sure, alternative accelarator keys can't hurt
[12:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: all windows apps do, so we can add them as "secondary"
[12:54] <Tonio_> that will not change anything except making things easier for non linux users
[12:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: alt+enter is the standard for fullscreen in about all windows apps
[12:55] <danimo> seconded
[12:55] <Tonio_> okay so I'll see with himfor what to change, and had them in default settings
[12:57] <Tonio_> I think most linux developpers should have a look from time to time to windows, to guess things that can make people migrating easier ;)
[12:57] <Tonio_> a simple shurtcut can be a "fatal issue" for my mother for example ;)
[12:59] <Tonio_> but lots of improvements have already been done :)
[12:59] <Tonio_> simple example -> I switched
[01:00] <marseillai> Riddell: due to the remove of kuickshow is it possible to replace the mime type association of kuickshow by gwenview when this association have been done by hand? because it causes many bugs.
[01:00] <Tonio_> marseillai: that's a profile issue
[01:00] <Tonio_> marseillai: you wouldn't have those on a clean install
[01:00] <marseillai> yes i know! but it happens with an upgrade!
[01:00] <Tonio_> marseillai: konqueror -> options -> file associations
[01:00] <marseillai> so it's not really cool
[01:01] <Tonio_> marseillai: nope
[01:01] <Tonio_> it happens if you already customized associations
[01:01] <Tonio_> they are not written to the profile untill you customized them
[01:01] <marseillai> Tonio_: yes done! but to people who don't know it would be great to replace this association
[01:02] <Tonio_> marseillai: well, it is hard to deal with profile issue........
[01:02] <Tonio_> when I'm migrating people from breezy to dapper, I generally restart with a clean profile
[01:02] <Tonio_> cause there are not one, but many, many potential issues
[01:03] <marseillai> oki
[01:03] <Tonio_> and since the list the list of changes from breezy to dapper looks like a leviathan.......
[01:03] <Tonio_> that should be easier for future versions
[01:03] <Tonio_> since the core of kubuntu will not change that much
[01:04] <Hobbsee> on a random sidenote, did anyone notice kde 3.5.2 slowing down their systems, compared to kde 3.5.1?
[01:04] <Hobbsee> or am i dreaming?
[01:04] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: didn't noticed that...
[01:04] <danimo> here neither
[01:05] <danimo> Hobbsee: try to hit yourself. if it hurts, you're probably awake :)
[01:05] <Hobbsee> heh
[01:05] <Hobbsee> yep, i think i'm awake then.
[01:05] <danimo> bah
[01:05] <danimo> I#m fine
[01:07] <danimo> yay, hailstorm!
[01:07] <Hobbsee> danimo: depends how hard i hit you...and where, come to think of it.  if i hit you in the head, for example, it might hurt a lot
[01:07] <Hobbsee> and with what...
[01:07] <danimo> *gg*
[01:28] <\sh> moins
[01:29] <Hobbsee> hey \sh 
[01:29] <\sh> moins Hobbsee
[01:30] <danimo> hi \sh
[01:31] <Tonio_> \sh: hey ;)
[01:31] <\sh> now I know why I always hated to compile pykde :) it takes too long
[01:34] <Hobbsee> hehe!
[01:34] <Hobbsee> \sh: how long's it taking?
[01:35] <\sh> I'm now waiting 45mins for sipkdeuipart0.cpp :)
[01:35] <Tonio_> \sh: same issue here when I need to test a little patch on kdebase........
[01:35] <Tonio_> that's a nightmare
[01:35] <\sh> and my load goes up to 6 :)
[01:35] <Tonio_> \sh: 45 minutes for only ONE cpp file ? damned !!!
[01:36] <danimo> Tonio_: well, it has about 1000 included files
[01:36] <\sh> Tonio_: well, yeah, it concatenating several files into one and compiles then..very memory exhausting and load increasing :)
[01:36] <Tonio_> danimo: hehe, okay
[01:37] <danimo> Tonio_: and his system must swap out pretty heavily
[01:37] <\sh> danimo: bah :)
[01:38] <\sh> Mem:    512336k total,   506032k used,     6304k free,     2528k buffers
[01:38] <\sh> Swap:  2088408k total,   850204k used,  1238204k free,    13628k cached
[01:38] <Tonio_> but only 256 on laptop, so I can understand \sh ;)
[01:38] <\sh> Tonio_: it's my amd64 :)
[01:38] <\sh> only 512mb 
[01:38] <Tonio_> wow........
[01:38] <danimo> this laptop has 512 MB, too
[01:38] <\sh> the laptop would be the same with 512mb :)
[01:39] <Tonio_> I don't have amd64, I generally prefer little procesor with big ram
[01:39] <\sh> but laptop with 512mb, 60gb hd, and 1.2GHz cpu is not a good compile machine :)
[01:39] <danimo> but i'd trigger such jobs at my workstation and then copy the deb file over
[01:39] <\sh> i bought it, to test applications with amd64 bugs :)
[01:40] <Tonio_> \sh: that is what can be colled a "professionnal" attitude ;)
[01:40] <Tonio_> s/colled/called
[01:40] <\sh> and I can build i386 applications on it as well :)
[01:40] <danimo> \sh: amazing :)
[01:41] <\sh> and I didn't need to bug mithrandir anymore to install some packages on the remote amd64 :)
[01:41] <Hobbsee> ouch, that's crazy...
[01:42] <\sh> Hobbsee: congrats to universe upload rights :)
[01:42] <hunger> Could somebody please drop some more zeroconf-config files into kdebase? I.e. those appended to #33034.
[01:43] <hunger> I am using them for a while now and they work great for me.
[01:43] <Hobbsee> \sh: what?  ajmitch uploaded them for me... :)
[01:43] <Hobbsee> i'm not a MOTU
[01:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: nice try, but my name is Mercatante, not Mercantine ^_^
[01:44] <\sh> Hobbsee: oh :) 
[01:44] <danimo> MOTU?
[01:44] <Hobbsee> danimo: master of the universe
[01:44] <Hobbsee> although, would i be a master or the mistress of the universe?
[01:45] <danimo> Hobbsee: is that some special joke? or referring to ubuntu universe
[01:45] <danimo> ?
[01:45] <Hobbsee> danimo: referrign to the ubuntu universe, yes
[01:45] <\sh> danimo: it's refering to ubuntu universe :) and old joke it is as well...
[01:45] <\sh> oh...yoda speech on
[01:46] <danimo> understanding I am
[01:46] <danimo> :)
[01:47] <Hobbsee> :)
[01:47] <Riddell> Tonio_: well not a bad shot
[01:47] <ajmitch_> \sh: you think she should be MOTU now? :)
[01:48] <Tonio_> Riddell: hehe, true :)
[01:48] <\sh> ajmitch_: to be honest, I don't know her work :) so you are able to tell me :)
[01:48] <Hobbsee> haha
[01:48] <Tonio_> is that normal that I can't change my preferences on the ubuntu wiki ?
[01:49] <Tonio_> "passwords missmatch", but there is no way to enter the password twice......
[01:49] <\sh> password is handled by launchpad 
[01:49] <Tonio_> \sh: yes, but the password I used is the good one, that why I don't understand....
[01:50] <\sh> hmm....who is wiki master? 
[01:50] <Tonio_> \sh: does it work for you ?
[01:50] <Riddell> heno is
[01:50] <\sh> Tonio_: well I don't change my settings at all :)
[01:51] <Riddell> Tonio_: use your launchpad e-mail to log in
[01:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: done ;)
[01:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: tonio@ubuntu.com, as my launchpad prefered email but that doesn't change anything....
[01:52] <\sh> ok....1:10h for sipkdeuipart0.cpp :(
[01:52] <ajmitch_> \sh: you still have all your UBZ photos around?
[01:52] <Tonio_> well that's not a major issue for me as long as I'm the only one concerned
[01:52] <\sh> ajmitch_: yes...have to reactivate my gallery
[01:53] <ajmitch_> \sh: great
[01:55] <\sh> ajmitch_: you know, it was good not to be on the last group photo of ubz :) when I see this picture on the "Behindubuntu" website, I'm always telling myself: "Phew, you are a lucky guy, nobody will now that you were there" ;)
[01:55] <ajmitch_> hah
[01:55] <ajmitch_> you're still in enough other photos from there :)
[01:56] <\sh> mostly in a very funny state of being drunk :)
[01:56] <ajmitch_> hm, I should see if I'm even visible in that photo
[01:56] <Hobbsee> hehe!
[01:56] <ajmitch_> heh, yes
[01:56] <\sh> I'm thinking about a one day to paris :)
[01:56] <\sh> visit 
[01:56] <Tonio_> I have a bunch of those stickers for laptop
[01:56] <Tonio_> http://www.jonathancarter.co.za/blog/images/stickersusb.jpg
[01:56] <Hobbsee> \sh: what, in june?
[01:56] <ajmitch_> sadly I'll be busy then
[01:56] <\sh> Hobbsee: jepp
[01:57] <Riddell> \sh: did you confirm kde ubiquity crashes on amd64?
[01:57] <Tonio_> ubuntu and kubuntu ones, in case that would please you to have one, I can bring them at linuxtag
[01:57] <\sh> Riddell: I'm still compiling pykde :(
[01:57] <Riddell> \sh: new pykde?
[01:57] <\sh> Tonio_: please do :)
[01:57] <\sh> Riddell: yes
[01:57] <Riddell> \sh: rocking
[01:57] <Tonio_> \sh: sure ;) Riddellinterested too ?
[01:57] <Riddell> Tonio_: hmm?
[01:57] <ajmitch_> Tonio_: can you send some to NZ? :)
[01:57] <Tonio_> kubuntu laptop sticker :)
[01:58] <Riddell> Tonio_: that photo only has ubuntu ones
[01:58] <Hobbsee> ooh, that'd be fun!
[01:58] <Hobbsee> :(
[01:58] <Tonio_> ajmitch_: sure, although if you need more, you can buy some over the net :)
[01:58] <\sh> this laptop needs more sticker :) 2 ubuntu ones, one goopensource, and one sticker of the new company :)
[01:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: let me show you the kubuntu one
[01:58] <Hobbsee> oh, if anyone's going to be delivering kubuntu dapper cds to NZ, give one to ajmitch_ for me please :)
[01:59] <Riddell> Tonio_: bring them to linuxtag, I'll buy a couple off you
[01:59] <Tonio_> ajmitch_: I don't have so many, but if you need one or two, email me your postal address, I will send you this with pleasure
[01:59] <Riddell> Hobbsee: canllaith had some
[01:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: nope, I will offer them to you, no question to sell them
[01:59] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[01:59] <Riddell> she may still have them, don't know
[01:59] <ajmitch_> Tonio_: I can probably order some online then
[01:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: I wonder if the company that sells this has canonical agreement for the logo ;)
[01:59] <Riddell> ajmitch_: didn't you go to linux.conf.au?
[01:59] <Tonio_> hehe
[02:00] <ajmitch_> Riddell: I did, but the cds were gone by the time I wanted some
[02:00] <Riddell> Tonio_: probably, anyone can licence the logo
[02:00] <\sh> Tonio_: amu is offering some mugs and other things you can show him the sticker, he has some connections to produce them very cheap...
[02:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: http://linux-schlepptops.de/images/produkte/fanartikel/pbu-sticker_400x400.jpg with kubuntu
[02:01] <Tonio_> \sh: would be nice to ship cds with one sticker :)
[02:01] <Tonio_> but would cost a bit of money....
[02:02] <\sh> hehe...the best thing is, I'm drinking coffee out of this mug: http://www.linuxshop.de/shop/catalog/images/tasse_kubuntu21.jpg
[02:02] <Tonio_> \sh: WOW !!! 
[02:02] <\sh> Tonio_: amu is selling cds for a small ammount of money...and some money is going back to debian and ubuntu 
[02:03] <Tonio_> \sh: will that be possible to buy one or 2 mugs at linuxtag ?
[02:03] <\sh> Tonio_: I don't think he is selling there...but offering as fan article or as teaser for the people
[02:03] <Tonio_> \sh: great ;)
[02:03] <\sh> I have the other cup as well http://www.linuxshop.de/shop/catalog/images/ubuntu_tasse_04.jpg
[02:04] <Tonio_> hehe
[02:05] <Tonio_> \sh: if you know people interested in stickers, but more that I have (20) : http://linux-schlepptops.de/product_info.php?cPath=22&products_id=29
[02:05] <Tonio_> 5  is for 10 stickers, which is maybe reasonable
[02:05] <\sh> Tonio_: to expensive :)
[02:05] <Tonio_> \sh: could be less yes
[02:05] <Riddell> Zone 2 World, no worse than Bukina Faso
[02:05] <Tonio_> ajmitch_: indeed I didn't though about that....
[02:06] <ajmitch_> Riddell: that's not saying a lot
[02:06] <Riddell> and probably better than Western Sahara
[02:06] <\sh> Tonio_: I wrote amu a mail with the picture of the sticker, let's see what he can do :)
[02:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: or Tuvalu island :)
[02:07] <Tonio_> \sh: nice ;)
[02:07] <Riddell> isn't Tuvalu an arcipegilo?
[02:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: not sure
[02:08] <Tonio_> Trinidad and Tobago should be expansive too ;)
[02:09] <\sh> load average: 6.60, 5.11, 4.21
[02:09] <\sh> wow
[02:19] <\sh> bah....still no progress on pykde3...still at sipkdeuipart0.cpp :(
[02:20] <Riddell> is that one of those files where it cat's all the files together and tries to compile it?
[02:20] <Riddell> kdebindings does thingas like that
[02:21] <\sh> Riddell: yes :) standard way of compiling things like this these days...I could change it, but then the divergence with debian is there...
[02:22] <\sh> it's only a matter of ram..and the ram is not much in this machine so "wait"
[02:23] <ajmitch_> \sh: it'd be quicker for me to compile it & ship you the binaries on CD :)
[02:23] <\sh> ajmitch_: it doesn't help me and riddell that much :) when the CD is here at my place, dapper is finally released ;)
[02:24] <ajmitch_> haha
[02:24] <ajmitch_> \sh: is this pykde3 that's in the archive?
[02:24] <Hobbsee> hey, does the kubuntu live cd have k3b on it, by any chance?
[02:24] <Hobbsee> the hoary one, in particular
[02:25] <ajmitch_> \sh: you could have access to pbuilder on here if you wanted
[02:25] <\sh> ajmitch_: no..it's pykde3 new upstream, packaged by torsten marek for debian
[02:25] <ajmitch_> ok
[02:25] <\sh> ajmitch_: will hit debian unstable next week or so...but for ubuntu/kubuntu I have to remove all python2.3 occurances :)
[02:25] <ajmitch_> if you want to build here, just ask
[02:26] <superstoned> we could sell stickers on the KDE booth
[02:26] <\sh> ajmitch_: thx :) but it should be finished in "no time" lol
[02:26] <superstoned> and mugs
[02:26] <ajmitch_> \sh: heh ok :)
[02:26] <superstoned> go nice with the FREE kubuntu cd's. we'll ask for some support :D
[02:27] <\sh> superstoned: are you allowed to sell at the official kde booth?
[02:27] <superstoned> we always do
[02:27] <superstoned> in the netherlands.
[02:27] <superstoned> after all, we run'em :D
[02:27] <superstoned> so we do what we like :D
[02:27] <superstoned> hehe
[02:27] <\sh> superstoned: I don't think it's allowed at linuxtag
[02:27] <superstoned> hmmmm
[02:27] <\sh> and we only have 1.5k kubuntu cds
[02:27] <superstoned> why not? we always sell some pins, and sometimes tshirts and stuff
[02:27] <superstoned> not much
[02:28] <superstoned> but its there for the fans
[02:28] <Riddell> expos usually allow selling stuff so long as it's for the organisation and not for profit
[02:28] <\sh> I was rethinking what mako and og maciel did during the boston linux day...
[02:28] <\sh> they were selling the ubuntu cds for 1 USD
[02:29] <\sh> I wonder if we should do the same with kubuntu cds during linuxtag....what do you think Riddell, and transfering the money to the foundation?
[02:32] <mornfall> Hobbsee: um :p
[02:33] <Riddell> \sh: I think that wouldn't work since ubuntu would be giving away their CDs
[02:33] <Riddell> we'd have everyone saying "why do kubuntu CDs cost money but ubuntu ones don't"
[02:33] <Hobbsee> mornfall: his machine wont start in normal mode, and wont launch any apps in safe mode :P
[02:33] <Hobbsee> therefore, his data is kinda screwed at the moment..
[02:34] <\sh> Riddell: well, we could argue "because there are no official kubuntu cds on the street...so this edition will be 300 to 1000 eur worth in couple years time " ;)
[02:35] <\sh> Riddell: seriously...I think the cds will be gone latest after the 2nd day of LT.
[02:35] <ajmitch_> \sh: they may not last that long
[02:35] <\sh> Riddell: and I don't want to give away ubuntu cds at the kubuntu booth
[02:36] <\sh> or I'll take my transportable dvd writer with me..and burn kubuntu cds like a mad cow
[02:37] <\sh> wow...pc-bsd is released, desktop ready freebsd fork...with kde 3.5.2 .. nice
[02:38] <mornfall> \sh: i'm more interested in debian gnu/kfreebsd ;-)
[02:43] <\sh> mornfall: and I'm interessted, if it's possible to install nexenta solaris via FAI :)
[02:50] <Tonio_> \sh: stable released ?
[02:50] <Tonio_> \sh: I tested 3 month ago, but that didn't to install correctly ;)
[02:50] <\sh> Tonio_: what? nexenta or pc-bsd? :)
[02:50] <Tonio_> pc-bsd
[02:50] <Tonio_> I'm following this project from time to time, seems very nice
[02:51] <\sh> http://www.pcbsd.org/index.php?id=32 pcbsd officially released
[02:51] <Tonio_> \sh: nice !! I'll give a shot :)
[02:51] <mornfall> how does it relate to dragonfly btw?
[02:52] <Tonio_> my lovelly haikuos isn't ready actually, but I'm still hoping it'll rock ;)
[02:52] <\sh> dragonfly is just another fork of freebsd
[02:52] <Tonio_> \sh: already heard about ?
[02:53] <\sh> Tonio_: about what? :)#
[02:54] <Tonio_> haiku os, a complete redeveloppment of beos, gpl licence
[02:54] <Tonio_> seems to start working quite correctly
[02:54] <Tonio_> I stated informatics with beos, so that's special to me :)
[02:56] <Tonio_> \sh: quick screenshot : http://www.haiku-os.pl/pliki/galeria/Zeta/zenebona.jpg
[02:57] <\sh> cool stuff..does it run on actual hardware? the last time I tested zeta it didn't work on an nc6000 hp laptop
[02:57] <Tonio_> \sh: hardware support is on the way, but I think haiku is a bit better than zeta on that point
[02:58] <Tonio_> I had it booting on my desktop, which in not that bad ;)
[02:58] <Tonio_> \sh: isn't nc6000 centrino based ? not sure that will be supported ;)
[02:59] <\sh> pentium m
[03:00] <\sh> so it should run with pentium3 support
[03:00] <Tonio_> yes
[03:01] <Tonio_> I'm following skyos too, really impressive since it is an OS developped from scratch by one guy only
[03:01] <Tonio_> but that's proprietary.... so may never find its public
[03:02] <Tonio_> and nobody knows if there is some stolen code in it...
[03:10] <danimo> hi pradeepto
[03:11] <\sh> Tonio_: this windows from scratch?
[03:11] <Tonio_> \sh: nope, that's reactOS
[03:12] <pradeepto> danimo: hey there
[03:12] <Tonio_> skyos a an unix compatible OS
[03:12] <Tonio_> but everything is done from scratch, that's not based on anything already existing
[03:13] <Tonio_> the "windows from scratch" project is reactos, and I also tested recently, that amazing too ;) gpl, binary compatible, quake3 or msoffice installing and running out of the box
[03:13] <Tonio_> \sh: I don't understand nobody seems interested in this product ;)
[03:14] <danimo> yay, the worst annoyance with my gfx chipsets just got fixed
[03:14] <Tonio_> \sh: http://www.reactos.org/xhtml/fr/screenshots.html
[03:14] <Tonio_> \sh: you should have a look, that's terrific !!!
[03:15] <Riddell> "DCOPClient::attachInternal. Attach failed Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed"
[03:16] <Riddell> grr, dcop is strange
[03:16] <danimo> Riddell: hey, look at it from the positive side: DBUS is worse :)
[03:17] <Tonio_> \sh: the only issue is that too better binary compatibility means compatible with spywares and viruses :)
[03:18] <Riddell> danimo: that would be the dbus that KDE is changing to then
[03:18] <danimo> yes
[03:18] <danimo> Riddell: well it's worse as in that it is more complex
[03:19] <danimo> but should work better in scenarios like yours
[03:19] <danimo> Riddell: what exactly are you working on btw?
[03:19] <Riddell> danimo: live CD installer
[03:19] <Riddell> trying to get this reboot working
[03:19] <Riddell> subprocess.call(["dcop", "--user", "ubuntu", "--session", ".DCOPserver_ubuntu__0", "ksmserver", "ksmserver", "logout", "1", "1", "1"] )
[03:20] <danimo> Riddell: works fine here on the shell
[03:20] <danimo> (adopted to my needs of course)
[03:21] <danimo> Riddell: I'd rather pass the complete path to .DCOPserver_ubuntu__0
[03:21] <Riddell> danimo: pass the complete path?
[03:21] <danimo> yes
[03:22] <Riddell> what does that mean?
[03:22] <danimo>  /home/ubuntu/.DCOPserver_buntu__0
[03:22] <Riddell> on the shell it works for me too, it's running it from an app run with kdesu that's the problem
[03:23] <Riddell> complete path doesn't work either
[03:23] <danimo> kdesu "dcop --user danimo --session /home/danimo/.DCOPserver_lenina_0"
[03:23] <danimo> ERROR: The specified session doesn't exist!
[03:24] <danimo> odd
[03:24] <Riddell> missing an underscore before the 0?
[03:24] <danimo> oh
[03:24] <danimo> yes
[03:24] <danimo> but even then..
[03:25] <Riddell> although I still get "ERROR: The specified session doesn't exist!" for complete path
[03:25] <Riddell> subprocess.call(["dcop", "--user", "ubuntu", "--list-sessions"] )  works
[03:25] <danimo> it doesn't like the path for some reason
[03:26] <danimo> ah, it wants session names
[03:26] <danimo> the names just happe to be equal to the patch
[03:26] <danimo> path
[03:27] <danimo> Riddell: but kdesu "dcop --user danimo --session .DCOPserver_lenina__0" works just fine for me
[03:27] <danimo> Riddell: how did you make kdesu to ask for the user instead of the root pwd btw?
[03:29] <danimo> kdesu "dcop --user danimo --session .DCOPserver_lenina__0 ksmserver ksmserver" prints all I want
[03:31] <Riddell> http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/test.py
[03:32] <Riddell> turns out the problem only occurs if I have created a KApplication
[03:34] <\sh> hmmm...exec_loop?
[03:34] <\sh> or do_events (when this is the correct syntax )
[03:35] <Riddell> ?
[03:35] <Riddell> that won't help with calling dcop
[03:38] <danimo> ?
[03:38] <danimo> err
[03:38] <danimo> Riddell: well, you need an eventloop in first place
[03:38] <danimo> Riddell: afaik
[03:39] <\sh> Riddell: what should it do?
[03:39] <\sh> Riddell: it works here with created kapplication 
[03:40] <Riddell> danimo: I'm just using shell command subprocesses at the moment
[03:41] <Riddell> \sh: trying to call dcop to ksmserver from kdesu ubiquity
[03:41] <\sh> but with kdesu started it doesn't work....because somehow it's missing an authorization (iceauth)
[03:41] <Riddell> I wonder what the difference between import pydcop and import dcop is
[03:41] <\sh> pydcop is old :)
[03:42] <\sh> but was more stable then the pykde implementation at some time...when I remember correctly
[03:59] <\sh> Riddell: 1. still compiling *gnarf* 2. what are we doing about the problem with the special notebook keyevents send out by acpi_fakekey? klaptopdaemon doesn't work, nor kmilo...or we have to improve kmilo somehow
[04:06] <Lure> \sh: do you have any idea? allee proposed keyboard layout, but I am concerned with users already using keyboard layout for external keyboard (see bug 27542)
[04:06] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 27542 in meta-kde kde "Volume keys do not work in KDE on nw8240" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/27542
[04:08] <\sh> well...the problem is that mjg59 is sending out linux keys I think...and kmilo is catching some X keys for special laptops...I'm not sure how we can solve this...
[04:09] <\sh> it should be catched by klaptopdaemon somehow, but this is focusing only on the battery and energy stuff...actually it doesn't work here with the acpi-support stuff
[04:19] <Lure> \sh: what if we would assign Xkeysym with modmap in Xsessions.d?
[04:20] <\sh> that's the wrong way IMHP
[04:20] <\sh> IMHO
[04:20] <Lure> \sh: that way we could at least fix kmilo stuff (volume)
[04:20] <\sh> I actually don't know how it works for gnome, but it looks like there is an app which catches the right keycodes
[04:21] <Lure> \sh: i think it is g-p-m
[04:22] <\sh> the problem with volume up/down is one of the things...but all fn keys on a keyboard are working (checking /var/log/acpid.log) but not in kde...the events are send, but not catched 
[04:23] <\sh> and that's a regression for dapper...because with the old system of acpi support it was working...when I change the /etc/acpi/ events to fire up the real scripts it's working...
[04:24] <Lure> \sh: my HP nw8240 does not have acpi keys, so they do not show there, but they have proper keycodes (Ubuntu style)
[04:24] <Lure> \sh: luckly volume keys can be controlled with Compaq Armada keyboard layout
[04:24] <\sh> yeah
[04:25] <Lure> this is suboptimal and does not work out-of-the-box
[04:25] <\sh> but what mjg did now, he fires up acpi_fakekey with /usr/share/acpi-support/key-constants stuff
[04:26] <\sh> these key constants are linux keycodes
[04:27] <kmon> has anyone tried this patch? http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-core-devel&m=114502945908434&w=2
[04:28] <\sh> ah...gpm is listening to hal events
[04:49] <\sh> i'm doomed...more then 3 hours waiting :(
[04:52] <danimo_> ?
[04:52] <\sh> pykde
[04:52] <danimo_> ah
[05:19] <Tm_T> uff
[05:40] <Tonio_> anyone already tested the ptp access threw the media:/ ki ?
[05:40] <Tonio_> fails here
[05:40] <Tm_T> just so you know, next month I'm very inactive
[05:41] <Tm_T> even 18h sleeps didn't cheer me up
[05:42] <Tm_T> oh well, back to sleep ->
[06:44] <\sh> wow...sipkdeuipart1.cpp is compiling lol....it will take more time :(
[06:58] <mornfall> Riddell: ping
[07:52] <mornfall> where is this Riddell guy again...
[07:53] <toma> lost in adept
[07:53] <mornfall> toma :P
[07:53] <mornfall> what do you mean
[07:56] <toma> nothing, just trying to be funny now and then.
[08:14] <yuriy> Tonio_: ptp access? like a camera?
[09:38] <Lure> Riddell: ping
[09:39] <uniq> riddell: ref. bug #42192,  is it allowed to extract data from kgeography to make kgeography-data in order to fix this bug or does that voilate the freeze? Or is it possible to just make kgeographics-data dissapear silently into /dev/null somehow?  
[09:39] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 42192 in kgeography "kgeography is uninstallable" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/42192
[10:19] <Riddell> mornfall: hi
[10:19] <Riddell> luka74: hi
[10:19] <Riddell> Lure_: hi
[10:19] <mornfall> re
[10:19] <Lure> Riddell: hi - I am testing network settings this is why my nick changes... ;-)
[10:20] <\sh> sipkfilepart0.cpp just started to compile...that's not normal...looks like my hdd is crashing or what..oh no...it goes now
[10:20] <Lure> Riddell: question regarding bug 38578 - do you agree with proposed fix (see last comment)
[10:20] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 38578 in kdeadmin knetworkconf "Enable interface does not acquire address from DHCP" [Normal,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/38578
[10:21] <Lure> Riddell: we have two options: 1) do ifdown before ifup (just to be sure) or 2) do not consider interface w/o ip address as down (if it is actually up)
[10:22] <Riddell> Lure: 2) sounds cleaner
[10:23] <Lure> Riddell: I think so too - I just do not know why this code is in knetworkconf anyhow 
[10:23] <Lure> Riddell: but I am not sure that I want to know why ;-)
[10:24] <Lure> Riddell: I have patch ready, but will look one "apply confirmation too many" on Show All first (if I can fix that also)
[10:24] <Riddell> knetworkconf is not great, the perl scripts are just horendus
[10:24] <Riddell> Lure: thanks so much for looking at that
[10:25] <Lure> Riddell: we have own copy of .pl scripts, but goot thing is that it is not too far from Ubuntu system-tools-backends package (I have diff-ed both version as I have suspected bug there)
[10:26] <Lure> Riddell: I had to as one of my engineers switched to Ubuntu becuase of network conf ;-) - and I want them use KDE ;-)
[10:26] <\sh> Riddell: pykde3 just finished to compile...starting to test ubiquity after upgrade
[10:26] <Riddell> \sh: that was along comile :)
[10:26] <Riddell> compile
[10:27] <\sh> Riddell: yes :) for sure
[10:27] <Riddell> good thing it didn't end in a linking error or something
[10:27] <\sh> I wonder why
[10:27] <\sh> think my hdd is just dieing
[10:27] <\sh> which is bad
[10:29] <\sh> Riddell: ok..after the first "next" click it should crash somehow....let's see
[10:31] <Riddell> yes
[10:32] <\sh> i doubt that it is a pykde issue anyhow....it should crash on x86, too, if it's something with pykde
[10:33] <Riddell> did it crash?
[10:33] <\sh> apt-get install ubiquity :)
[10:33] <\sh> just got a bunch of kde packages to upgrade ;)
[10:34] <\sh> sudo ubiquity or just as plain user?
[10:34] <Riddell> sudo apt-get install ubiquity-frontend-kde
[10:34] <Riddell> kdesu ubiquity kde-ui
[10:35] <\sh> crash
[10:35] <\sh> but 
[10:35] <\sh> not from pykde
[10:35] <\sh> because it tries to display something...
[10:36] <Riddell> no, the crash is in C
[10:36] <Riddell> c++
[10:36] <Lure> Sime, sebas: around?
[10:36] <Riddell> but I can't believe that c++ qt has a problem with unicode strings, it's got to be something to do with pyqt
[10:39] <\sh> no..but it can be, that python unicode string to c string has problems
[10:39] <\sh> and it shows the page.including listbox just before it crashes
[10:42] <\sh> function on_language_treeview_selection_changed?
[10:43] <\sh> where is the ui build for the language selector?
[10:44] <\sh> i wonder if on_language_treeview_selection_changed is called when the listbox is displayed..and 
[10:44] <\sh> self.userinterface.language_treeview.selectedItem() is None :)
[10:45] <\sh> or something else then None but nothing like a string...
[10:45] <Riddell> liveinstaller.py has the listbox
[10:45] <\sh> generated from liveinstaller.ui
[10:50] <mornfall> Riddell: when's next beta planned?
[10:51] <\sh> trying to debug a bit...and trying to understand what ubiquity is actually doing ;)
[10:58] <\sh> argl...torsten forgot to install kdepyuic :*(
[11:08] <\sh> Riddell: where is the bzr archive of the ubiquity source? 
[11:27] <\sh> Riddell: ok...for the better understanding...the second step (first next click) is stepLanguage right?
[11:36] <Riddell> \sh: see wiki page KubuntuUbiquity
[11:36] <Riddell> although apt-get source ubiquity is much faster than branching
[11:37] <\sh> Riddell: sure...
[11:45] <\sh> Riddell: in def set_language_choice, the string choice coming from language_choice_map, are these unicode strings already?