[12:03] <n3storm> _steven: how comes?
[12:04] <_steven> no clue
[12:04] <_steven> kept crashing the gui, and I'd have to reinstall Ubuntu
[12:05] <_steven> Then the internet sound went out, and when I updated to Kubuntu it was fine for a while. Then, it went out again.
[12:05] <dmbkiwi> _steven: wouldn't it make sense to update to dapper - maybe whatever bug you're experiencing is fixed.
[12:06] <_steven> Maybe...you just change your repos to dapper right?
[12:06] <n3storm> dmbkiwi: is right, though I normally don't recommend dapper for newbies
[12:06] <_steven> Harder to use?
[12:07] <dmbkiwi> _steven: No, probably because it's not final yet, and there maybe bugs, however, given breezy's a no go for you because of bugs, you may as well give dapper a go.
[12:07] <n3storm> harder? no, but maybe still some glithches
[12:08] <_steven> It's weird cause Warty and Hoary were fine. I didn't expect the internet to work with not tweaking on my part. But everything was cool.
[12:09] <n3storm> _steven: are you on a Laptop?
[12:09] <_steven> Oh, another thing. Once I upgraded to Kubuntu 5.10. Was I supposed to change my repos?
[12:09] <motodashi> the only thing I reproach to dapper (not kubuntu) is this awfull orange color
[12:09] <_steven> No
[12:09] <dmbkiwi> _steven: when you upgraded to breezy, did you take your .kde config files with you?
[12:10] <_steven> I upgraded to breezy before upgrading to Kubuntu. So yes.
[12:11] <dmbkiwi> _steven: does X crash in both kde and gnome (and any other DE or WM you might use)?
[12:11] <n3storm> dmbkiwi: I think _steven might be using gdm?
[12:12] <apricot> do i need a firewall?
[12:12] <_steven> When I was upgrading to Kubuntu the Terminal asked me whether I wanted gde or kde as default. I chose kde.
[12:13] <dmbkiwi> apricot: are you running any services?  Are you behind a NAT router?
[12:13] <apricot> a kde prog for watching dvds
[12:13] <apricot> ?
[12:13] <apricot> no
[12:13] <motodashi> I don't know gde, what is it ?
[12:13] <dmbkiwi> _steven: I'd suggest trying dapper, it's only a 20 minute install
[12:13] <_steven> gnome desktop enviroment
[12:14] <dmbkiwi> apricot: dvd's - try kaffeine or codeine
[12:14] <_steven> I'll give it a go.
[12:14] <dmbkiwi> apricot: no to which? or both?
[12:14] <_steven> But how do you install ktorrent. I got all these subdirectories and no executives.
[12:15] <motodashi> sudo apt-get install ktorrent
[12:15] <apricot> no to services
[12:15] <dmbkiwi> _steven: on dapper:  apt-get install ktorrent
[12:15] <n3storm> _steven: good luck
[12:16] <dmbkiwi> apricot: If you've got no ports open, then you don't need a firewall.  I firewall manages and filters how traffic passes or doesn't pass through open ports.  If you've got no open ports, then no need for a firewall.  What does:
[12:16] <dmbkiwi> sudo netstat -taupe
[12:16] <dmbkiwi> tell you?
[12:17] <dmbkiwi> Any lines that have "LISTENING" on them?
[12:17] <eneried_> hello people!
[12:17] <apricot> ok
[12:18] <eneried_> there's no body here
[12:18] <imbrandon> lots of poeple here
[12:18] <apricot> yes
[12:18] <nico8481> re
[12:18] <n3storm> hi eneried_
[12:18] <eneried_> um, does anybodyknow a good disk kataloguer for linux? something like or better than whereisit?
[12:18] <eneried_> hi n3storm
[12:19] <dmbkiwi> apricot: that means you've got ports open.  What apps/ports are they linked to?
[12:19] <apricot> skype, localhost:hpiod, mysql, phyton
[12:19] <n3storm> eneried_: http://www.kde-apps.org
[12:20] <n3storm> try there
[12:20] <n3storm> I just used in the past Katalog, but not too much
[12:20] <_steven> E: Malformed line 2 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (dist parse)
[12:20] <_steven> E: Unable to lock the list directory
[12:20] <eneried_> thanks ;)
[12:20] <_steven> Ok...I changed my repos to dapper. But now it's screwed. I get the above error
[12:21] <robotgeek> _steven: you messed up while entering it
[12:21] <_steven> I didn't enter it. I used Adept to change them to dapper.
[12:21] <robotgeek> _steven: hmm, okay.
[12:21] <robotgeek> !sources
[12:21] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[12:22] <dmbkiwi> apricot: how do you connect to the outside?  through a router?
[12:22] <robotgeek> _steven: get one for dapper here ^^
[12:22] <_steven> I was just gonna say possible a dapper source list.
[12:22] <apricot> dsl
[12:23] <motodashi> robotgeek: _o/
[12:24] <robotgeek> motodashi: ?
[12:26] <motodashi> robotgeek: _o/
[12:26] <robotgeek> motodashi: please don't spam
[12:27] <motodashi> I don't spam, you call me I put my hand up
[12:27] <robotgeek> motodashi: when did i call you?
[12:28] <motodashi> [00:24]  <robotgeek> motodashi: ?
[12:29] <robotgeek> motodashi: can you scroll one line above that "P
[12:29] <motodashi> but it#s late I thinkt I should go to sleep
[12:29] <eneried_> n3storm, is there a place like kde-apps for gnome or other xserver applications?
[12:29] <motodashi> no because gnome sux
[12:30] <n3storm> eneried_: sure
[12:30] <apricot> gnome doesnt sux
[12:30] <eneried_> motodashi, i like gnome
[12:30] <n3storm> check the links by the side of the webpage
[12:30] <motodashi> sur it sux, it is for nazis
[12:30] <eneried_> n3storm thanks again
[12:30] <apricot> did you ever used gnome like kde?
[12:31] <apricot> gnome is good for begginers
[12:31] <n3storm> apricot: are you french?
[12:31] <motodashi> apricot: yes, and I do not support to not be able to do what I want
[12:31] <apricot> no lol
[12:31] <apricot> from Croatia!
[12:31] <motodashi> I am french
[12:31] <apricot> greetings
[12:32] <eneried_> motodashi, ( ) gnome have its good things like KDA does
[12:32] <eneried_> *KDE sorry
[12:32] <motodashi> whot for example ?
[12:32] <apricot> a file browser
[12:32] <apricot> :)
[12:32] <n3storm> ;)
[12:33] <HymnToLife> You mean that nautilus-thingie ?
[12:33] <n3storm> geee
[12:33] <apricot> :)
[12:33] <HymnToLife> hmm anyway
[12:33] <HymnToLife> !offtopic
[12:33] <ubotu> Non Ubuntu support related discussions may be carried out in the channel #ubuntu-offtopic. Editor/Language wars are welcome there!
[12:33] <n3storm> everybody is waking up for some gnome vs. kde food
[12:33] <apricot> gnome baker is good
[12:33] <HymnToLife> apricot> I hope you're kidding here
[12:33] <motodashi> gnome sux because it is bloated
[12:34] <motodashi> evolution can not read RSS
[12:34] <motodashi> and atom feeds
[12:35] <eneried_> what's bloated?
[12:36] <apricot> i use thunderbird
[12:36] <robotgeek> yeah, please move all nonsupport talk to #kubuntu-offtopic
[12:36] <_steven> How do you know what version of KDE you have?
[12:36] <motodashi> apricot: yes but it is not fully integrated in gnome
[12:36] <apricot> konqueror doesnt have icons in frot of bookmarks for example.
[12:37] <robotgeek> _steven: kde-config --version
[12:37] <apricot> in front
[12:37] <motodashi> help> about kde
[12:37] <robotgeek> or that :)
[12:37] <robotgeek> apricot: i get those icons
[12:37] <motodashi> apricot: yes it has
[12:37] <motodashi> find something else
[12:38] <apricot> not of the pages
[12:38] <apricot> icons are all the same
[12:38] <motodashi> apricot: you want a screenshot ?
[12:39] <_steven> There is no about kde
[12:39] <apricot> ok, why i dont have icons?
[12:39] <_steven> and where do I put kde-config?
[12:39] <robotgeek> _steven: enter that in a terminal
[12:40] <apricot> i do not like adept for example
[12:40] <apricot> where is qparted anyway
[12:40] <robotgeek> apricot: install it using adept :)
[12:40] <_steven> lol
[12:41] <motodashi> adept under dapper is very good
[12:41] <_steven> dapper is a huge ass install. I'm only at 18%
[12:41] <apricot> cannot find qparted in adept
[12:41] <motodashi> try qtparted
[12:41] <eneried_> motodashi, i like genome cause is more friendly than KDe, and i like KADe because is more technical and efficient, they work good :)
[12:41] <apricot> oh, yes
[12:41] <eneried_> bye people, i've to go
[12:41] <apricot> i forgot t
[12:42] <n3storm> by eneried_
[12:42] <eneried_> ;)
[12:42] <motodashi> eneried_ of course but Gnome sux
[12:42] <leonard> irc://irc.g-rat.co.uk/movie-max
[12:42] <_steven> Whenever I enter 'kde-config' in Konsole it just goes to the next line and does nothing. What's wrong?
[12:42] <motodashi> go in konqueror> help> about kde
[12:43] <n3storm> _steven: you havent finished upgrading, do you?
[12:43] <robotgeek> _steven: you need --version after it
[12:44] <_steven> Ahh, ok
[12:44] <_steven> I have 3.4.3
[12:46] <apricot> any good app for watching TV?
[12:46] <n3storm> tvtimes
[12:46] <motodashi> kaffeine
[12:46] <motodashi> vlc
[12:46] <motodashi> mplayer
[12:48] <Ahmuck> the bug with the desktop installer from the LTS that screws up partitions, that happened to me :-(
[12:49] <robotgeek> Ahmuck: ah, crap.
[12:49] <Ahmuck> as well as the bug with the text install where apt won't start
[12:49] <Ahmuck> robotgeek: yea, well it was an old laptop that needed to be reformated anyhow ... so no data loss
[12:49] <robotgeek> Ahmuck: ah okay
[12:51] <FearMoth> I'm running kubuntu dapper, and when I try to run adept I'm prompted for the root password. I enter it correctly, but kdesu says that it's incorrect. this happened to me in 5.10 too .. anyone know how to fix it?
[12:52] <robotgeek> FearMoth: did you enable root account?
[12:52] <motodashi> FearMoth: I suppose your account has not the admin rights
[12:53] <FearMoth> I ran passwd root and set a password for root. still doesn't work
[12:53] <Ahmuck> sudo password root
[12:53] <Ahmuck> from konsole
[12:54] <robotgeek> FearMoth: hmm, don't do that!
[12:54] <Ahmuck> sudo apt-get update
[12:54] <FearMoth> robotgeek: k, how do I undo it? :)
[12:54] <Ahmuck> sudo apt-get upgrade
[12:55] <apricot> i have sound question
[12:55] <robotgeek> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo#head-b06dbcd33c40480dcfd3aada1ca67bbd77f80594 FearMoth
[12:55] <apricot> i hear system sounds in front and amarok in background
[12:55] <apricot> any way to change that?
[12:56] <apricot> help apreciated
[12:56] <FearMoth> robotgeek: I tried entering my user password too, but it still doesn't work
[12:57] <apricot> anyone?
[12:57] <apricot> sleeping time?
[12:58] <Ahmuck> why is root mode not recomended ?
[12:58] <apricot> tomorow is a good day
[12:58] <robotgeek> FearMoth: yeah, i think user passowrd
[12:58] <FearMoth> robotgeek: should my user acct be in /etc/sudoers?
[12:58] <FearMoth> because only root is
[12:58] <robotgeek> FearMoth: not sure, sorry.
[12:58] <HymnToLife> FearMoth> and also the admin group
[12:58] <HymnToLife> thus all users in the admin group will have sudo privileges
[12:59] <apricot> robotgeek; sudo passwd root
[01:00] <HymnToLife> apricot> please don't do it
[01:00] <HymnToLife> what's the problem with sudo ?
[01:00] <apricot> i hear system sounds in front and amarok in background, help?
[01:01] <n3storm> sudo visudo?
[01:01] <_steven> I need to use the su command but apparently the pw is not the same as the sudo command. What gives?
[01:02] <HymnToLife> there is no root password
[01:02] <_steven> I've tried not entering a pw but it's also wrong.
[01:02] <_steven> "su: Authentication failure. Sorry"
[01:03] <robotgeek> _steven: wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[01:04] <_steven> Nevermind...I got it.
[01:05] <ubuntu_rocks> how do I get dvds to play in Kubuntu? I have installed VLC with libdvdcss2 codec etc.. it starts to play then just crashes?
[01:07] <_steven> Ok, I entered su>entered the password. But I still cant move files around the root or create new folders. Why?
[01:08] <stevekl> _steven: are you sure you're root?
[01:08] <yanis> ubuntu_rocks: try xine
[01:08] <stevekl> type whoami
[01:08] <_steven> root@ubuntu:/home/steven # su
[01:08] <_steven> root@ubuntu:/home/steven #
[01:08] <_steven> root@ubuntu:/home/steven # whoami
[01:08] <_steven> root
[01:08] <ubuntu_rocks> yanis: i've tried okle as well and it does the same thing?
[01:08] <stevekl> and what's the error you get while trying to move stuff?
[01:09] <yanis> okle? first time to hear that
[01:09] <_steven> 'You do not have permission...'
[01:09] <nxv_> hi
[01:09] <nxv_> i remember a ncurses ui to choose an apt mirror but i don't know how to start it up. can anybody help me?
[01:09] <_steven> In order to use 'su' do you have to use terminal to create folders or move files?
[01:09] <stevekl> stevekl: that's...weird
[01:09] <ubuntu_rocks> yanis: ya the dvd player app
[01:10] <Ahmuck> HymnToLife: why not sudo passwd root ?
[01:10] <_steven> or can you type 'su' and then use file manager
[01:10] <yanis> ubuntu_rocks: try xine :)
[01:10] <Ahmuck> it would seem that would be the first order of buisness
[01:10] <stevekl> stevekl: try kdesu
[01:10] <ubuntu_rocks> yanis: ugh ok.. i like vlc though lol
[01:10] <stevekl> stevekl: like "kdesu konquerer"
[01:10] <Ahmuck> i don't understand why peeps don't want other peeps to sudo passwd root ?
[01:10] <HymnToLife> ahmuck > because in Ubuntu you use sudo
[01:11] <yanis> you can use sudo bash of course ;)
[01:11] <HymnToLife> yanis> to get a root terminal, sudo -i is more recommended :)
[01:12] <yanis> what's the difference HymnToLife
[01:12] <stevekl> You guys shouldn't use sudo
[01:12] <stevekl> er
[01:12] <stevekl> su
[01:12] <stevekl> instead try sudo -s
[01:12] <HymnToLife> it is said sudo -i is better
[01:12] <stevekl> that will ask you for your password instead of root's password, so you needn't ever create one
[01:12] <krenx> !wine
[01:13] <HymnToLife> I don't remeber why but some knowledgeable folks told me so
[01:13] <_steven> Ok, here's the situation. I need to get a file into /etc/bootsplash in order to edit my splashscreen. But the folder splashscreen doesn't exist and it wont let me create it.
[01:13] <_steven> Plus, I dont know the commands in terminal to create folders.
[01:13] <HymnToLife> _steven> just sudo mkdir /path/to/dir
[01:14] <_steven> I cant seem to navigate to /etc/
[01:14] <Ahmuck> cd /etc
[01:14] <_steven> ok
[01:16] <_steven> Ok, now how do I unzip a file from my desktop to these new folders I created?
[01:16] <heinrich> hello i am using konversation as irc client nad i was told to change the charset to a german one
[01:17] <_steven> Is it gzip?
[01:17] <heinrich> how do i do this?
[01:17] <Ahmuck> _steven: what is the extension ?
[01:18] <_steven> *.tar.gz
[01:18] <Ahmuck> tar -xzvf filename.gz
[01:18] <Ahmuck> filename*.gz
[01:19] <_steven> ok, and I need to put filepath/filename since it isn't in the same folder as I want it to be right?
[01:20] <krenx> hey, how do i change hz for different resolutions ?
[01:23] <kerrigan> Hello! Is there a "Run Command" in Gnome?
[01:23] <_steven> Yes, it's called Terminal
[01:24] <_steven> you type the program name in there, like with Windows>Run
[01:24] <kerrigan> I don't want a terminal. Just Run Command like in Windows and KDE
[01:25] <_metin> hii... i have set root password while expert install.but now i cant sudo
[01:25] <_steven> Ok, how do I copy and paste in terminal? Because it wont let me copy and paste in File Browser.
[01:25] <Chryseus> invasion
[01:26] <_steven> Who is that pointed for?
[01:26] <statesidela> hay people i just installed the latest release of kubuntu....i am having trouble doing su says it  will not authenticate....i only installed with one password.....any ideas?
[01:26] <Chryseus> ...of idiots
[01:26] <notrootlol> there's no su in ubuntu... only sudo
[01:26] <krenx> anyone knows ?
[01:27] <krenx> how i change hz for different resolutions ?
[01:27] <krenx> not in xorg.conf
[01:27] <Chryseus> statesidela: sudo su
[01:27] <statesidela> so i type sudo instead of su????
[01:27] <Chryseus> kerrigan: this Kubuntu channel.. how should we know?
[01:28] <Chryseus> statesidela: no.. you type sudo su
[01:28] <statesidela> ahhh tricky stuff thank  you very much i will try it now
[01:28] <robotgeek> kerrigan: alt + f2
[01:29] <robotgeek> statesidela: you can also use sudo -s
[01:29] <_steven> What are the commands for copy & paste in Konsole?
[01:29] <statesidela> it worked thanks again
[01:29] <kerrigan> Chryseus: robotgeek knew:-)
[01:29] <_metin> any idea for my sudo problem? i doesnt accept my password
[01:29] <statesidela> i will keep   that in mind robotgeek   thank you
[01:29] <kerrigan> Thanks, Robotgeek.
[01:29] <robotgeek> kerrigan: it is the same in gnome and kde
[01:29] <smok3_> trying to install 5.10 kubuntu (amd64 version), but as it seems grub fails (without error), i mean: i dont get any system to choose on boot time...
[01:29] <Ahmuck> _metin: sudo somecommand
[01:29] <smok3_> would that be my bad partitioning decisions or something else?
[01:30] <statesidela> metin do what Chryseus or robotgeek told me
[01:30] <kerrigan> Robotgeek: I know now :-) Where doI find this one in the gnome menus?
[01:30] <Chryseus> kerrigan: I knew too.. I just don't want to help people who don't know right channel for help
[01:30] <smok3_> trying to setup dualboot with xp
[01:30] <_metin> i did "sudo apt-get update"
[01:30] <robotgeek> kerrigan: not sure, don't use gnome
[01:30] <_metin> it asked me password but didnt accept mine
[01:30] <ubuntu_rocks> whats the gui command to access root ? ksudo?
[01:31] <kerrigan> I am using Kubuntu with Gnome. This is the channel the IRC-program had as default.
[01:31] <Chryseus> ubuntu_rocks: kdesu
[01:31] <robotgeek> ubuntu_rocks: kdesu command
[01:31] <kerrigan> kdesu in KDE, gksu in Gnome
[01:31] <ubuntu_rocks> thanks Chryseus and robotgeek
[01:31] <statesidela> hmmmm not to experanced here but i would tryed sudo su
[01:31] <robotgeek> kerrigan: gksudo, i think.
[01:31] <statesidela> sudo su sorry
[01:31] <robotgeek> kerrigan: /j #ubuntu
[01:32] <_steven> smoke3_->Just install XP first use Partition Magic to partition a linux ext3 partition and install Linux on your new partition. During Install, Linux will detect Windows and install GRUB bootloader.
[01:32] <kerrigan> I got the heli I needed. Thanks. (But this is Kubuntu with gnome)
[01:32] <statesidela> worked for me thanks to chryseus
[01:32] <smok3_> _steven: i let the kubuntu to partition free space
[01:33] <smok3_> _steven: and yes i did free space using partition magic
[01:33] <_steven> Yeah. You can do that also
[01:33] <Chryseus> kubuntu with gnome.. really? :)
[01:33] <_steven> Then it should install the bootloader and all should be good
[01:33] <smok3_> well it isnt
[01:33] <smok3_> boots stright to xp
[01:33] <smok3_> no questions asked :)
[01:34] <_steven> Install Ubuntu and then install Kubuntu
[01:34] <_steven> Cause I know Ubuntu has a bootloader
[01:34] <smok3_> grub?
[01:34] <_steven> yah
[01:34] <_steven> grub
[01:34] <smok3_> yeah, same here
[01:34] <smok3_> just didnt work out
[01:34] <sharpy> is there a way to install a network applet?
[01:34] <sharpy> or a CPU/Mem applet?
[01:35] <smok3_> i guess i must try some other part of the disk or something?
[01:35] <_steven> Can someone please tell me what the copy and paste commands are for Konsole?
[01:35] <_steven> Did it ask you for anything to do with GRUB or a bootloader when you installed Kubuntu?
[01:36] <sharpy> control c is for copy and SHIFT-INsert is for paste
[01:36] <Chryseus> statesidela:
[01:36] <Chryseus> bah.. I'm slow.. :P
[01:37] <_steven> sharpy->I need to Konsole command though. It wont let me copy and paste into any of the root folders(/etc/*)
[01:37] <_steven> *the
[01:37] <Chryseus> you need to be root for that
[01:37] <sharpy> _steven, sudo
[01:38] <_steven> *sighs* Yes, I know how to get to root. But I cant copy and paste without the command for copy and paste.
[01:38] <Chryseus> _steven: wtf are you trying to do?
[01:38] <sharpy> _steven, cp is for copying... i am not sure what the command for the Konsole is for "pasting"
[01:39] <_steven> Chryseus->I am trying to copy something off my Desktop and into the newly created /etc/bootsplash folder. But I dont know the command.
[01:39] <Chryseus> _steven: with konqueror?
[01:39] <_steven> sharpy->Thanks, now all I need is the paste command.
[01:40] <Ahmuck> cd Desktop
[01:40] <Ahmuck> mv somefolder /etc/bootsplash
[01:41] <_steven> I'll try that Ahmuck
[01:41] <Chryseus> _steven: just do sudo cp /whatever/fromwherever/ /etc/whatever   OR alt-f2-> kdesu konqueror and just move it within the browser
[01:42] <Ahmuck> _steven: http://www.fortunecity.com/skyscraper/y2k/60/primer/primer.html
[01:43] <Chryseus> Ahmuck: word
[01:45] <_steven> I have a feeling that the Adept Manager is screwing over my system again.
[01:46] <tinin> I can't wait to test dapper live, but i've got an old monitor 800x600 these days. Is there a boot option to change refresh rate as in knoppix? thanx in advance, i'm stuck in windows cause my breezy stopped working, so i NEED it
[01:48] <_steven> Once I get all this Ubuntu Breezy>Ubuntu Dapper stuff. I just type apt-get install kubuntu-desktop right?
[01:49] <tinin> or just where can i find boot these otions?
[01:49] <_daniel_> hey anyone has problems setting current time ?
[01:50] <_daniel_> it seems not to work using the kde adjust date and time
[01:50] <_steven> I used to when I first got Warty Ubuntu
[01:50] <_daniel_> Is there any way around ?
[01:50] <_daniel_> breezy is the one I am using
[01:50] <_steven> I just updated, and it was fine
[01:50] <swedish> is there a vnc java server that i can point a browser at
[01:51] <_steven> dont understand the question
[01:51] <swedish> liiiike
[01:51] <swedish> a vnc server
[01:51] <swedish> that i can point a browser at, instead of a vnc client
[01:51] <_steven> Which is what? A server where java applets are?
[01:51] <swedish> a vnc server is a remote desktop
[01:51] <_steven> No clue
[01:52] <_steven> No clue
[01:52] <swedish> ok
[01:52] <cueno> VNC it's like a Java remote desktop as far as I know
[01:52] <_steven> I'm running the Adept manager and it's screwing around with my icons. I'm kinda afraid to restart now.
[01:53] <Ahmuck> swedish: you want a vnc server to use on your kubuntu ?
[01:53] <swedish> yea
[01:53] <swedish> and then on a windows desktop
[01:53] <Ahmuck> tightvncserver
[01:53] <swedish> point a browser at it
[01:54] <swedish> xtightvncbrowser?
[01:54] <cueno> could someone give me a hint for Dapper to watch DVDs?
[01:54] <Ahmuck> install tight vnc client on the windows desktop
[01:54] <Ahmuck> and then vnc to the kubuntu desktop
[01:54] <_steven> Is this something like Gotomypc?
[01:55] <Ahmuck> you can install it using adept or apt-get
[01:55] <swedish> so i grabbed tight
[01:55] <Ahmuck> _steven: http://www.tightvnc.com/
[01:55] <swedish> how do i do settings?
[01:55] <Ahmuck> cd .vnc
[01:56] <Ahmuck> or cd /etc/vnc
[01:56] <Ahmuck> i think
[01:56] <Ahmuck> swedish: in the ~.vnc directory you will need to modify the config file so that it starts kde
[01:57] <Ahmuck> if you want to set resolution or something like that i would set that in the vnc.conf file or you can do it from the command line as well
[01:57] <Ahmuck> i normally start the server from the konsole ... tightvncserver, and then on the windows side i simply start the client and enter the ip address plus the session ie 192.168.1 0:1
[01:59] <_steven> Once my upgrade to Ubuntu Dapper is complete how do I go about updating back to Kubuntu?
[02:01] <_steven> None of my web browsers are working now that I'm a Dapper user. What do I do now?
[02:01] <_steven> They immediatly crash.
[02:02] <robotgeek> _steven: what do you mean, i am on dapper without any problems.
[02:02] <robotgeek> any specific page?
[02:03] <_steven> No...neither Firefox or Konqueror will even startup
[02:03] <_steven> They crash immediately.
[02:03] <Ahmuck> _steven: i would suggest that you find a spare pc, something somebody does not want, etc. and expiement with.  then work on you good system.  one of the nice things you can do in some distros is specify you partitions.  i suggest putting your /home and your /usr/local on seperate partitions.  then if something breaks you don't suffer data loss as bad
[02:03] <mo0se> cuuurses....
[02:03] <robotgeek> _steven: try starting in a terminal, it will show some output
[02:04] <cueno> Ahmuck good advice, I learned that the hardware
[02:04] <n3storm> _steven: have you rebooted you pc?
[02:04] <cueno> hard way even
[02:04] <_steven> n3story->no, I'm afraid my desktop will have disappeared if I did.
[02:05] <_steven> steven@ubuntu:~ $ firefox
[02:05] <_steven> (Gecko:8519): Pango-WARNING **: /usr/lib/pango/1.4.0/modules/pango-basic-fc.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[02:05] <_steven> Failed to load Pango module for id: 'BasicScriptEngineFc'
[02:05] <_steven> (Gecko:8519): Pango-WARNING **: /usr/lib/pango/1.4.0/modules/pango-basic-fc.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[02:05] <_steven> Failed to load Pango module for id: 'BasicScriptEngineFc'Segmentation fault
[02:05] <n3storm> yeah, I know what you mean _steven but maybe is the only way, what do you thing robotgeek ?
[02:05] <_daniel_> Damn I really have the latest versions of the packages
[02:05] <_daniel_> and I really cant change the time
[02:05] <mo0se> is konqueror the 1.0.7 version of firefox?
[02:05] <robotgeek> swedish: please don't paste in here
[02:06] <_steven> No
[02:06] <n3storm> mo0se: no, they are different apps
[02:06] <robotgeek> grr, _steven
[02:06] <mo0se> ah.
[02:06] <mo0se> is there a tutorial for install firefox specifically for kubuntu then?
[02:06] <_steven> I cant pm, so I cant copy paste anywhere else.
[02:06] <robotgeek> mo0se, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion
[02:06] <robotgeek> _steven: /j #flood
[02:06] <ports-> whats up
[02:07] <mo0se> because there are some steps that confuse me in the ubuntu version...
[02:07] <mo0se> x_x
[02:07] <cueno> the most confusing thing I have with dapper is getting DVDs to be viewed
[02:07] <_steven> Ok, I cant seem to launch Konqueror from Konsole. What's the command?
[02:07] <robotgeek> _steven: konqueror
[02:10] <_steven> Ok it opens(Konqueror) but nothing shows up in the window. Instead I get, "Protocol not supported  http"
[02:12] <_steven> How do I repair my Ubuntu/Kubuntu?/
[02:13] <saaida> can anyone help with xubuntu ?
[02:13] <robotgeek> _steven: i am not sure what you did, what did you do?
[02:14] <robotgeek> saaida: sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[02:14] <_steven> I upgraded from Kubuntu(breezy) to Ubuntu(dapper). Now I want to get it all working again so that I have Kubuntu(dapper).
[02:16] <robotgeek> _steven: can you post your sources.list?
[02:16] <saaida> any one can suggest a good and very light mp3 player ? im using xubuntu and the xfplayer can't play my mp3's
[02:16] <_steven> No...it runs a lot of scripts. Opens the file and instantly closes.
[02:17] <_steven> I got the addresses though when I tried to update
[02:18] <_steven> I'll paste it in #flood
[02:21] <_steven> Whenever I try to download new packets it says "E: Unmet dependencies..."
[02:21] <robotgeek> _steven: try "sudo apt-get -f install"
[02:22] <_steven> Running..
[02:23] <sharpy> saaida, xmms
[02:24] <mo0se> sudo tar -C /opt -x -z -v -f firefox-1.5.0.2.tar.gz
[02:24] <mo0se> what does all that mean?
[02:24] <mo0se> like the -c and the -x and all that...
[02:25] <mo0se> is there a way to find out?
[02:25] <dmbkiwi> mo0se: man tar
[02:25] <saaida> i want only music player (mainly mp3's) cause my machine is slow and want to listen all the time to musik while playing ( like in windows the Old winamp )
[02:25] <_steven> Still Running..
[02:25] <cfog> Anyone successfully installed 6.06B2 amd64?
[02:25] <robotgeek> saaida: beep-media-player is also nice
[02:25] <dmbkiwi> saaida: xmms
[02:26] <dmbkiwi> saaida: do you have an mp3 decoder installed?  like mpg321?
[02:26] <saaida> dmbkiwi: have no idea :)
[02:26] <saaida> i read about libmad0 and installed it
[02:26] <saaida> but didn't work
[02:27] <dmbkiwi> saaida: install mpg321.  It should pull in what you need to play mp3
[02:29] <mo0se> there isn't a way to add firefox to the menu like windows, is there?
[02:29] <saaida> dmbkiwi: didn't work
[02:29] <dmbkiwi> saaida: what didn't work?
[02:29] <_steven> mo0se what are you talking about? firefox is already installed.
[02:29] <mo0se> in kubuntu?
[02:30] <_steven> yeah, if you install kubuntu from ubuntu
[02:30] <mo0se> nope.
[02:30] <saaida> dmbkiwi: installing mpg321
[02:30] <mo0se> i install kubuntu using the dvd.
[02:30] <mo0se> is it better to install ubuntu and then kubuntu?
[02:30] <mo0se> ...
[02:31] <mo0se> maybe i should do that...
[02:31] <mo0se> hehe...
[02:31] <mo0se> okay..
[02:31] <cfog> Hi all.  I am trying to do a fresh install of 6.06 Beta 2 amd64.  The graphical installer crashes immediately upon reaching step 2.
[02:31] <cfog> I looked at syslog and saw that languagechooser is complaining that it cannot find languagemap.
[02:32] <dmbkiwi> saaida: what version of kubuntu?
[02:32] <cfog> 6.06 beta 2 amd64
[02:32] <cfog> whoops.
[02:32] <saaida> dmbkiwi: it is xubuntu not kubuntu
[02:32] <_steven> #flood
[02:33] <Ryoga> hi I've installed kubuntu 6.06 Beta 2 and wanted to install the german language package for KDE, vut it's not in the list of adept. what can I do?
[02:33] <Ryoga> *but
[02:33] <robotgeek> Ryoga: i think it is called lanugage-support/pack
[02:34] <Ryoga> robotgeek: adept shows only installed packages
[02:34] <robotgeek> Ryoga: then change the filters
[02:34] <Ryoga> i installed it once in the live cd version, it was in it list
[02:34] <Ryoga> hmm
[02:34] <dmbkiwi> saaida: have you enabled the universe repository?
[02:35] <Ryoga> robotgeek: everything in the "show" list is checked
[02:35] <saaida> dmbkiwi: yes
[02:35] <Ryoga> I had no internet connection while installing it.
[02:35] <dmbkiwi> saaida: so what's the error when you try to install it?
[02:35] <robotgeek> Ryoga: then, you might want to search on packages.ubuntu.com / apt-cache search
[02:36] <saaida> dmbkiwi: no error , install perfect : but xfmedia does not play
[02:36] <saaida> dmbkiwi: no error , install perfect : but xfmedia does not play the mp3
[02:36] <Ryoga> or another question, where can I find the package source list for apt-get?
[02:37] <dmbkiwi> saaida: have you installed xmms?
[02:38] <robotgeek> Ryoga: meaning?
[02:38] <blueyed> Can someone with Kubuntu-Dapper please try the test link in here: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126482 (with Konqueror)
[02:38] <Ubugtu> KDE bug 126482 in khtml "Konqueror does not pass mochikit tests" [Normal,Unconfirmed] 
[02:38] <saaida> dmbkiwi: im trying to get xfmedia work with mp3 not installing another media player
[02:39] <dmbkiwi> saaida: sorry, can't help then.
[02:39] <robotgeek> blueyed: passes all
[02:39] <blueyed> strange.
[02:39] <blueyed> not with me.
[02:39] <robotgeek> blueyed: i am on dapper, kubuntu ppc
[02:39] <saaida> dmbkiwi: no preblem thanx for help
[02:40] <blueyed> robotgeek: dapper/x86 on amd64 here.
[02:40] <robotgeek> blueyed: lemme check on live cd
[02:41] <robotgeek> blueyed: passes all on live cd, dapper x86 kubuntu beta2 live cd, on amd64 :)
[02:42] <blueyed> what could that be caused by, robotgeek? it always fails with the same tests (at least).
[02:43] <Ryoga> blueyed: what was that link you posted for?
[02:43] <robotgeek> blueyed: not sure, sorry. maybe your konqueror is borked. try reinstalling?
[02:43] <blueyed> I guess it's a locale thing, perhaps?
[02:43] <blueyed> Ryoga: a bug report with JS tests.
[02:44] <Ryoga> because when I click at it, it says "Bug 126482: Konqueror does not pass mochikit tests"
[02:44] <blueyed> Failed tests are all like: "0.000", expected "0.123" or: not ok - 1.23 JSON got "1", expected "1.23"
[02:44] <blueyed> Ryoga: yes, the link in the report. I've thought it's more secure to post the bugs.kde.org link first.. :)
[02:45] <Ryoga> um ok
[02:45] <blueyed> Ryoga: can you test it?
[02:46] <Ryoga> yes
[02:46] <Ryoga> but how?
[02:46] <blueyed> just click: http://mochikit.com/tests/index.html (with konqueror) and wait..
[02:47] <Ryoga> some green and red backgrounded lines appear
[02:48] <blueyed> red means failed.. so it does not pass all with you, too.
[02:48] <blueyed> What Konqueror are you using, Ryoga?
[02:49] <Ryoga> blueyed: the one that comes with Kubuntu 6.06 Beta 2
[02:49] <Ryoga> Konqueror 3.5.2
[02:49] <blueyed> have you dist-upgraded since then?
[02:49] <Ryoga> me? no
[02:49] <Ryoga> I can't
[02:51] <blueyed> Ryoga: what processor/architecture are you using?
[02:51] <sharpy> how do i install an applet that monitors my network/cpu/mem ? I dont have such applets in kubuntu?
[02:51] <m> robotgeek you still there?
[02:51] <robotgeek> m: yes
[02:51] <blueyed> Ryoga: does the failed tests match the one I'm experiencing (http://trac.mochikit.com/ticket/93)
[02:52] <Ryoga> blueyed: Intel Pentium M something (single core, 2GHz)
[02:53] <XP1> in kubuntu, is samba preinstalled ?
[02:57] <ubuntu_rocks> how do I restart my kde desktop from the konsole?
[02:57] <crweb> XP1: yes?
[02:57] <m> robotgeek->It seems to have worked.
[02:57] <XP1> crweb, really?
[02:58] <crweb> XP1: ?  i got a unknown CTCP-CTCP request
[02:58] <XP1> was fooling around
[02:58] <crweb> XP1: i don't think the samba server is
[02:58] <XP1> ok
[02:58] <crweb> you can just apt-get install samba
[02:58] <Ryoga> pff
[02:58] <crweb> and it'll tell you
[02:59] <Ryoga> the kubuntu installer commented all sources for apt-get out
[02:59] <sharpy> err..i missed something someone said.
[02:59] <XP1> i tried to reinstall kubuntu, but samba keeps staying
[02:59] <sharpy> b4 i crashed.
[02:59] <XP1> maybe it's just upgrading it?
[02:59] <Ryoga> blueyed
[02:59] <sharpy> how do I install a network/memory/cpu applet?
[02:59] <crweb> XP1: keeps staying?
[03:00] <XP1> samba is installed
[03:00] <blueyed> Ryoga: you could just uncomment them.
[03:00] <crweb> XP1: ok, and you don't want it?
[03:00] <XP1> no, i wan't a fresh install
[03:00] <Ryoga> i know
[03:00] <crweb> XP1: so.. fresh install, and make sure the partition is formated?
[03:00] <blueyed> But I don't think it makes a difference. I'd be interested, if the same tests fail with you, Ryoga.
[03:01] <crweb> XP1: if you don't format, it won't remove files
[03:01] <XP1> i tried to format but it is still installed. i'm trying killdisk now
[03:01] <crweb> XP1: it'll just install over them
[03:01] <crweb> XP1: then it must be installed via default
[03:01] <crweb> XP1: things don't reappear after a format
[03:01] <XP1> hmm
[03:02] <shao_lo> can anyone help me with a dchroot problem?
[03:03] <crweb> if we know what the problem was, we'd have a better idea if we can, or can't
[03:03] <crweb> knew
[03:03] <shao_lo> im trying to get a chroot started from the session menu
[03:03] <shao_lo> I followed http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=48435
[03:03] <shao_lo> but it is using schroot
[03:04] <shao_lo> the session starts but then exits when i try to startkde
[03:05] <crweb> does kde exist in your chroot?
[03:06] <shao_lo> seems kinda obvious, but i didn't check that
[03:06] <shao_lo> hehe
[03:06] <Ryoga> blueyed: which tests please
[03:06] <blueyed> The list of tests that fail here is in the report at: http://trac.mochikit.com/ticket/93
[03:07] <shao_lo> well color me stupid..apt get wants to install a ton in my chroot for kde...thanks!!!!
[03:07] <blueyed> Ryoga: ^^
[03:07] <Ryoga> yes blueyed, they are the same
[03:08] <shao_lo> whats the gnome equivalent of startkde?
[03:08] <noiesmo> shao_lo, crweb just a thought do you need to mount proc ie mount -t proc /proc proc
[03:08] <blueyed> Thanks, Ryoga. Now we would "just" need to know, what our systems have in common and all the others not.. ;)
[03:09] <Ryoga> hmm
[03:09] <shao_lo> i think ive got it mounted...i made the chroot entries in my fstab
[03:09] <Ryoga> i didn't do any update yet
[03:09] <noiesmo> shao_lo, crweb i know when remastering knoppix you mount proc to get access to devices etc maybe need to do that just a thought
[03:11] <blueyed> Ryoga: I guess you have a localized KDE? I've just did "LANG=C konqueror" on the konsole and all tests pass.
[03:11] <blueyed> Ryoga: could you please verify this?
[03:12] <Ryoga> just a second...
[03:12] <blueyed> What does "echo $LANG" give on your console, Ryoga?
[03:12] <Ryoga> de_DE.UTF-8
[03:13] <blueyed> oh, yes, same with me. Thanks for your help. I'm quite sure the tests will pass with LANG=C on your system, too.
[03:15] <Ryoga> no blueyed
[03:15] <Ryoga> still the same result
[03:15] <crweb> i have gentoo running in a chroot for testing ;)
[03:16] <ubuntu_rocks> how do i upgrade kubuntu to the latest beta version?
[03:16] <crweb> ubuntu_rocks: i don't recommend doing it right now,  lots of problems
[03:16] <blueyed> uh. Very strange then, Ryoga.
[03:16] <crweb> ubuntu_rocks: with the upgrade process
[03:16] <Ryoga> yep
[03:16] <ubuntu_rocks> crweb: ok, but how would I go about doing it anyways?
[03:16] <crweb> ubuntu_rocks: you change  breezy to dapper, in your apt/sources.list
[03:17] <blueyed> crweb: change "breezy" to "dapper" in /etc/apt/sources.list and then apt-get dist-upgrade
[03:17] <ubuntu_rocks> ok thank you
[03:17] <crweb> blueyed: you mean ubuntu_rocks
[03:17] <blueyed> sry
[03:17] <crweb> :)
[03:18] <blueyed> I'm dist-upgrading since the beginning of the year and in the last weeks there weren't any problems, but breezy->dapper in one step might fail.
[03:18] <crweb> ubuntu_rocks: actually, change breezy to dapper,  apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrading
[03:18] <crweb> err, dist-upgrade
[03:18] <crweb> i did one yesterday,  made it unbootable
[03:18] <blueyed> yep, sure. update before dist-upgrade
[03:18] <crweb> messed up some kernel stuff
[03:19] <crweb> everyones systems are different though
[03:19] <crweb> i needed special scsi module to be loaded with initrd
[03:19] <blueyed> crweb: I'm using 2.6.16-vanilla anyway, because then resume works here. With the kernel from Ubuntu the graphics do not come up again..
[03:20] <crweb> right,  just saying, its not perfect yet
[03:20] <crweb> good reason for still in beta
[03:20] <blueyed> agreed.
[03:20] <LeeJunFan> blueyed: same here, I think it's probably frambebuffer though.
[03:20] <crweb> my fresh installs are awesome though
[03:20] <crweb> nothing else like it
[03:21] <blueyed> crweb: have you filed a bug about it? :}
[03:21] <crweb> probably should..
[03:21] <blueyed> LeeJunFan: nvidia card? (I've not tested it with the nv driver)
[03:22] <LeeJunFan> blueyed: ati.
[03:22] <crweb> nv resume works fine
[03:22] <crweb> i use nv a lot, when i don't need glx
[03:22] <blueyed> LeeJunFan: I'm not sure about frame buffer, but there have been just white stripes.
[03:22] <LeeJunFan> blueyed: Also doesn't work with glx and ATI.
[03:22] <shao_lo> crweb: you are the man! chroot works much better starting kde when it exists :)
[03:22] <crweb> :)
[03:23] <shao_lo> crweb: thanks!!!
[03:23] <crweb> np
[03:24] <blueyed> btw: is there supposed to be a button/menu entry in Kubuntu to hibernate? I just do "sudo /etc/acpi/hibernate.sh" currently.
[03:24] <crweb> if you start the kpowerapplet
[03:24] <crweb> you can from there
[03:25] <crweb> start the battery monitor
[03:25] <crweb> i dunno if there are other ways
[03:27] <oliver_> guten abend
[03:27] <blueyed> crweb: do you have a laptop? cause I don't see it. And I have no "kpowerapplet".
[03:27] <blueyed> oliver_: english, bitte.. :)
[03:27] <LeeJunFan> I prefer kpowersave and powersaved, You can set your fn-sleep button to suspend to RAM or Disk.
[03:27] <crweb> blueyed: the applet is in the Control Panel under laptops & power
[03:31] <blueyed> crweb: The "Battery" tab there says: "Your computer seems to have a partial ACPI installation." - I have the modules it mentioned there enabled as module in the kernel though.
[03:32] <blueyed> "Start Battery Monitor" does nothing - prolly because I have no laptop..
[03:32] <Ahmuck> is there such a thing as rollover storage ?
[03:32] <blueyed> LeeJunFan: installing kpowersave would remove powernowd.. ?
[03:33] <LeeJunFan> blueyed: yeah, it uses powersaved instead.
[03:33] <blueyed> Does powersaved the same?
[03:33] <crweb> blueyed: it has no way of knowing if you have a laptop or not
[03:33] <LeeJunFan> blueyed: it does throttling, suspending, etc. Pretty much manages all ACPI or APM functions.
[03:33] <crweb> blueyed: you don't have some module loaded it is looking for
[03:34] <crweb> kpowersave is good too
[03:34] <crweb> which is the "battery applet"
[03:34] <CheeseBurgerMan> KLaptop?
[03:35] <blueyed> crweb: would I have to put them explicitely in /etc/modules? I'll try kpowersave.
[03:35] <crweb> i dunno
[03:35] <crweb> seems to be automatic
[03:35] <crweb> would depend on your pc's acpi and stuff
[03:35] <crweb> i don't know really, i just noticed that same error you have too
[03:36] <krenx> is it possible to turn off mouseaccel in linux?
[03:36] <crweb> i've never hibernated a desktop before either...
[03:36] <trappist> who knows what package contains default filetype associates for kde?  kuickshow has been removed (in dapper) but images still want to open with it
[03:37] <blueyed> kpowersave seems great. Thanks!
[03:38] <crweb> trappist: click on the file
[03:38] <crweb> trappist: go up to Edit
[03:38] <crweb> trappist: and click edit file types
[03:38] <trappist> crweb: I just want to know what package to file the bug against, that sets the default handler to an app we don't ship
[03:38] <blueyed> trappist: AFAIK the default associations do not get altered, after once setup. At least I've read that the last days in the help file.
[03:38] <trappist> I know how to fix it *for me*
[03:38] <Ryoga> blueyed: when I start kubuntu, it says that my master boot record and it's copy are not the same, why that?
[03:39] <crweb> trappist: removing a package, does not modify your users .kde/configs
[03:39] <trappist> blueyed: I'm not sure what you mean by that
[03:39] <trappist> crweb: good point.
[03:39] <crweb> trappist: if it did work like that, it would have very unstable results
[03:40] <crweb> trappist: kde is designed for kde
[03:40] <crweb> not to take advantage of apt-get
[03:40] <blueyed> trappist: there's probably no package you can file a bug against. Apart from the one that sets them up at first, the associations, probably. kubuntu-default-settings perhaps?
[03:40] <blueyed> Ryoga: I don't know. What have you done?
[03:40] <trappist> blueyed: yeah, the one I was looking for is the one that contains the initial defaults - that sounds like it could be the one.  it might be fixed, but I want to have a look at it.
[03:41] <crweb> however, if kubuntu is setting the "default" on shipment, to a package not even installed. then that is broken
[03:41] <crweb> but if you are talking about a package installed, then you change the default to kuickshow
[03:42] <crweb> removing kuickshow, WILL NOT switch you back to default
[03:42] <crweb> trappist: i think you'll find the "default" didn't change
[03:42] <crweb> trappist: your kde configs are still pointing to kuickshow
[03:42] <crweb> which are individual
[03:42] <aaron> I don't see how to upgrade my kubuntu to 6.06
[03:43] <crweb> trappist: best way to tell, create a new user, and login with that user real quick, and see what the default really is.
[03:43] <crweb> aaron: 6.06 isn't out yet
[03:43] <crweb> it is still beta
[03:43] <trappist> crweb: understood - I just apt-get sourced kubuntu-default-settings and said grep -ri kuickshow on it, and it's nowhere to be found, which means on new installs the problem will apparently be gone.
[03:43] <aaron> I don't have any repositories responding... can anybody give me a link to the right page?  beta is fine
[03:43] <trappist> crweb: hadn't thought of that
[03:43] <aaron> I don't want to do a new cd...  just want to apt-get dist-upgrade
[03:44] <aaron> but I need the repositories
[03:44] <crweb> aaron: just change breezy to dapper
[03:44] <crweb> aaron: but it is broken
[03:44] <aaron> :(
[03:44] <crweb> aaron: and probably won't work.  but if it does, good for you :)
[03:44] <aaron> so if I change the name in my repository list, it'll probably die a horrible death..\
[03:44] <crweb> trappist: i mean, if you set it to kuickshow,  you overwrote your users default
[03:44] <crweb> trappist: that gets put in YOUR .kde
[03:45] <crweb> trappist: the default didn't get changed
[03:45] <crweb> aaron: it is beta
[03:45] <aaron> http://us.archive.ubuntu.com  isn't responding
[03:45] <aaron> beta is fine
[03:45] <crweb> aaron: then just give it some time
[03:45] <aaron> I don't do alpha
[03:45] <crweb> or check your net connections
[03:45] <crweb> aaron: i did it yesterday, and it broke
[03:45] <aaron> I'm using the computer right now to talk and surf
[03:46] <crweb> aaron: others, mixed results
[03:46] <aaron> hurm... I have the 5.10 cd if I have to reinstall
[03:46] <crweb> aaron: well, i'm using them right now, seem to be working ;)
[03:46] <aaron> hurm...
[03:46] <crweb> you can install fine from cd's in my opinion
[03:46] <aaron> maybe dns is screwed
[03:47] <crweb> haven't had a glitch with that,
[03:47] <aaron> it says 1.0.0.0
[03:47] <ubuntu_rocks> Can anyone recommend a good website editor for linux?
[03:47] <crweb> well, that's not exactly normal
[03:47] <CheeseBurgerMan> ubuntu_rocks: Bluefish or Quanta Plus.
[03:47] <crweb> ubuntu_rocks: nvu
[03:47] <CheeseBurgerMan> Or that. ;)
[03:48] <ubuntu_rocks> CheeseBurgerMan: is either one comparable to Dreamweaver?
[03:48] <crweb> trappist: system defaults are in /usr/share/kde,  if you change anything it is stored in your useraccounts .kde,  is what i was getting at.
[03:48] <CheeseBurgerMan> ubuntu_rocks: NVU is closest to dreamweaver.
[03:49] <aaron> crweb: bah... I hate quest
[03:49] <ubuntu_rocks> CheeseBurgerMan, : thanks
[03:49] <crweb> aaron: i've had awesome experiences with the 6.06 fresh install
[03:49] <aaron> their dns server was down :( sorry...   everything else was still working though
[03:49] <aaron> crweb: I won't hold it against kubuntu if it doesn't work in beta
[03:49] <crweb> aaron: except, there was a bug, release before last, that killed partition tables
[03:49] <crweb> but that's fixed
[03:50] <aaron> hehe.. I don't have any important data on this machine
[03:50] <crweb> well, try to upgrade, file bug reports on your problems
[03:50] <crweb> then fresh install
[03:50] <crweb> if you really odn't care
[03:50] <crweb> don't
[03:50] <aaron> I'm here to test it
[03:51] <Kadran> hi all
[03:51] <vinboy> hi guys.. i duno where else to ask this question
[03:51] <vinboy> is it legal for anyone to register for a domain name?
[03:51] <crweb> vinboy: sometimes, i try root@whitehouse.gov
[03:51] <Kadran> i have installed kubuntu and i don't know what is my root password is there is a default password?
[03:51] <crweb> :)
[03:51] <vinboy> someone who do not have a registered company and not residing in USA
[03:51] <vinboy> :P
[03:51] <crweb> Kadran: you use sudo
[03:52] <crweb> Kadran: they don't set root password, or let you login as root   as the default
[03:52] <crweb> vinboy: details
[03:52] <crweb> vinboy: i'd still try it
[03:52] <crweb> vinboy: :)
[03:52] <vinboy> ok
[03:52] <vinboy> thx man
[03:53] <crweb> lol
[03:53] <crweb> what was the question?
[03:54] <crweb> vinboy: ?
[03:54] <crweb> vinboy: was just playin
[03:54] <Kadran> crweb: i was using mandriva linux and trying to use kubuntu so i have some questions
[03:54] <CheeseBurgerMan> Questions are fine. :)
[03:54] <Kadran> crweb: what is LVM root?
[03:55] <vinboy> crweb: i gonna register for a domain now
[03:55] <noteventime> !tell Kadran about root
[03:55] <vinboy> hehe
[03:55] <robotgeek> Kadran: logical volume management?
[03:56] <Kadran> and what is it used for, i have choosed it during the installation?
[03:56] <Kadran> is that right?
[03:57] <robotgeek> Kadran: that is what Ubuntu uses for managing disks, i am not sure about details.
[03:59] <Ryoga> isn't lvm sth like software raid?
[03:59] <Kadran> actually what i really liked in kubuntu more than mandriva that i feel it is faster and smooth
[04:00] <robotgeek> Ryoga: i think so, you have that option during installation
[04:03] <Ryoga> blueyed: how to change my screen resolution?
[04:03] <aaron> crweb: apt-get updating with dapper ...
[04:04] <blueyed> Ryoga: in "Control Center"
[04:05] <aaron> crweb: 456 megs later... I might have the program I want... I guess a cd image wouldn't be so bad... but I don't have any disks to burn it to :(
[04:06] <Ryoga> blueyed: yes, but the resolution I whish is not in the list
[04:06] <Ryoga> -h
[04:06] <blueyed> is it in /etc/X11/xorg.conf, Ryoga ?
[04:06] <crweb> vinboy: was just playin
[04:06] <crweb> got disconnected, rain knocks out my internet
[04:08] <vinboy> ................
[04:08] <vinboy> yep
[04:08] <vinboy> im dizzy today
[04:08] <crweb> vinboy: what was your problem?
[04:08] <vinboy> no problem
[04:09] <Ryoga> brb
[04:09] <crweb> err, question, whatever
[04:09] <Kadran> hi, can any one help me in how to mount a hard disk?
[04:10] <robotgeek> !mount
[04:10] <ubotu> mount is, like, totally, the command to add partitions to your filesystem - for full instructions see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingANewHardDrive For mounting windows partitions, see !windowsdrives or http://tinyurl.com/bly9f
[04:11] <oliver_> how can i use gcc3.4 to compile something
[04:11] <Kadran> ubotu: thanks
[04:11] <ubotu> Kadran: de nada
[04:11] <robotgeek> Kadran: ubotu is a bot
[04:11] <CellarDoor> hello folks
[04:12] <crweb> oliver_: gcc-3.4 filename.c
[04:12] <Kadran> ubotu: what do you mean with de nada?
[04:12] <ubotu> Huh? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Kadran
[04:12] <CellarDoor> !printers
[04:12] <ubotu> printers is, like, totally, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters or http://www.linuxprinting.org
[04:12] <oliver_> i mean the make command with gcc3.4
[04:13] <crweb> oliver_: change the cc command in the make file from gcc to gcc-3.4
[04:13] <oliver_> is there an easier way
[04:13] <crweb> ?
[04:13] <crweb> how much easier are you wanting it?
[04:14] <oliver_> much easier :)
[04:14] <cueno> WOW
[04:15] <crweb> oliver_: sorry, out of luck then
[04:15] <crweb> oliver_: can't think of anything easier than editing 1 line in a make file
[04:15] <oliver_> i dont find a gcc command
[04:16] <crweb> see a line that sas   CC =
[04:16] <Ryoga> where's blueyed?
[04:16] <crweb> oliver_: see a line that says CC=
[04:17] <cueno> has anyone played with SCREEM?
[04:19] <AlinuxOS> hello :)
[04:19] <AlinuxOS> alive someone ? :)
[04:19] <CellarDoor> hello
[04:19] <AlinuxOS> CellarDoor, hello
[04:19] <CellarDoor> cueno, no, what is it like ?
[04:19] <AlinuxOS> I have amarok.po translated into Georgian (ka_GE.UTF-8) language
[04:20] <cueno> Cellar it's an website development tool, I'm trying to find something that's akin to Dreamweaver or Frontpage
[04:20] <AlinuxOS> I've putted it's mo file into /usr/share/locale-langpack/ka/LC_MESSAGES/ but it dosen't work
[04:20] <crweb> AlinuxOS: awesome
[04:20] <CellarDoor> cueno: good luck ;)
[04:20] <crweb> AlinuxOS: find somebody in #amarok
[04:21] <AlinuxOS> crweb, :)
[04:21] <AlinuxOS> I think it's generic question
[04:21] <AlinuxOS> where are located kubuntus .mo files generally?=
[04:21] <AlinuxOS> I'm Ubuntu user.
[04:22] <cueno> most people here are I believe
[04:22] <crweb> AlinuxOS: the amarok guys i would say both would want your translation, and would know exactly where to pu tit
[04:22] <CellarDoor> kubuntu here
[04:22] <AlinuxOS> ok
[04:22] <cueno> Kbuntu here as well, Dapper Drake
[04:22] <CellarDoor> ooh how is dapper looking ?
[04:23] <AlinuxOS> crweb, thank you.
[04:23] <crweb> CellarDoor: amazing
[04:23] <CellarDoor> excellent
[04:23] <crweb> AlinuxOS: i'm working on porting amarok album covers to postgresql
[04:23] <AlinuxOS> Kubuntu dapper or Ubuntu Dapper ?:)
[04:23] <crweb> they are the same
[04:23] <cueno> it's my 1st jaunt into Linux and Ubuntu and it's been a REALLY great experance
[04:24] <CellarDoor> meh I'm not into gnome
[04:24] <CheeseBurgerMan> Gnome is OK if you're very new, but after awhile it gets rather limited.
[04:24] <CellarDoor> its annoying crappola
[04:24] <cueno> I heard that that's why I went with KED
[04:25] <crweb> if you are very very very new
[04:25] <crweb> gnome is being designed with the idea that the user has never seen a computer before
[04:26] <cueno> well crweb I have an MCSE so I think Im a little famil with computers
[04:26] <CellarDoor> hehe
[04:28] <CellarDoor> Some things about gnome I like. I like its default desktop layout... simple dialogues... and erm... meh
[04:28] <crweb> the thing that i love the most
[04:28] <CellarDoor> Its default look is butt ugly
[04:28] <crweb> is every time i sit down at it, I have a flash back to 1991 and Apple System 7
[04:29] <CellarDoor> Its a pain trying to customize your desktop with gnome
[04:30] <CellarDoor> most people I've talked to who 'hate' KDE haven't used it for the best part of five years
[04:30] <crweb> and most people i've talked to who 'hate' gnome, HAVE tried it in the past 4 years
[04:30] <crweb> (since gnome 2.2
[04:30] <CellarDoor> lol
[04:31] <CellarDoor> hehe
[04:31] <crweb> 2.2 was great
[04:31] <crweb> 2.4, nice, slick clean
[04:31] <crweb> and that's all i got
[04:31] <CellarDoor> KDE's current control centre layout is counter intuitive in places, too labrynthine
[04:32] <CheeseBurgerMan> That's what the search is for. :)
[04:32] <CellarDoor> and yet it does have nice dialogues that gnome lacks
[04:32] <CellarDoor> changing icon themes in KDE is a breeze
[04:33] <CellarDoor> gnome (for me at least) has always been a headache
[04:34] <CellarDoor> anyone got any KDE4 news ?
[04:34] <CellarDoor> snippets ? tidbits ?
[04:35] <CellarDoor> guess I'll just have to wait
[04:39] <crweb> lots of work
[04:39] <crweb> kate is ported
[04:40] <CellarDoor> About all I can do to help is make the coffees
[04:43] <Kadran> hi, i try to use the add/remove programs from the k menu but it gives me an error that APT Database could not be opened? what is that
[04:45] <CheeseBurgerMan> Make sure you're running it as root.
[04:45] <CheeseBurgerMan> That would probably be 'kdesu adept' in a console.
[04:45] <CheeseBurgerMan> Open the K Menu Editor and see what the command for "add/remove programs" is.
[04:45] <CellarDoor> yeah
[04:48] <CellarDoor> bye all
[04:48] <CellarDoor> have a good day
[04:54] <m5m> Anyone use mutt with gpg???
[04:58] <m5m> I'm a bit confused as to why I can send with gpg and sometimes get prompted for my key, and other times I get an encrypted message that mutt won't prompt me to decrypt... I need to pipe it to gpg... I thought sometimes it automatically prompted you to open it with gpg and then opened it in an editor... not kubuntu specific I guess...
[04:58] <m5m> anyone use mutt here at all?
[05:00] <Ryoga> looked like kubuntu tried to overheat my PC... when I restarted my Laptop the fan was faster then ever :/
[05:04] <robotgeek> m5m: i used to use it, i just use kmail now
[05:05] <robotgeek> m5m: let me see if have my gpg settings there
[05:06] <robotgeek> m5m: http://rafb.net/paste/results/0PV5xC19.html
[05:17] <Kadran> i have problem in installation, how in install 'apt-setup' i don't got this command
[05:27] <_sEBAs_> !es
[05:27] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[05:31] <farous> anyone know of a  howto so i can add a quota or limit for users upload and download from the net?
[05:34] <crweb> farous: you'd have to setup a proxy that authenticats
[05:34] <crweb> farous: and have the proxy stop sending data to that acount after specific data transfer
[05:35] <farous> crewb thank you now off to google to see how i can do that. I though i can do it via ipconfig though can i?
[05:35] <farous> sorry ment iptabls
[05:36] <crweb> i wouldn't think so
[05:36] <crweb> theres no sort of tracking, or user acces with iptables
[05:37] <farous> ok thank you crweb
[05:40] <_darksoul> !dapper
[05:40] <ubotu> Dapper Drake will be the next release of Ubuntu - due June 1 (see: http://tinyurl.com/qyrkq). Join channel #ubuntu+1 for discussion and support :)
[05:41] <XP1> Why does my wireless card say "Out of range"?
[05:41] <XP1> it won't work anymore
[05:41] <crweb> XP1: i usually try to get a little closer when it says that ;)
[05:41] <XP1> it is close
[05:41] <XP1> like next to each other
[05:41] <XP1> it was working before
[05:41] <crweb> before what?
[05:41] <XP1> now it says that
[05:42] <XP1> when i first installed it
[05:42] <XP1> kubuntu
[05:42] <XP1> now, it's my 3rd reinstall and still won't work
[05:42] <crweb> is it a dlink wireless router?
[05:43] <XP1> yes
[05:43] <crweb> unplug it, and plug it back in
[05:44] <XP1> i've tried
[05:45] <XP1> many times since this morning
[05:45] <crweb> well, reinstalling obviously isn't fixing it
[05:45] <XP1> ok
[05:45] <XP1> brb
[05:46] <crweb> i'm not really sure what to tell you myself
[05:50] <XPI> ok
[05:50] <XPI> why does the default gateway blank out after i type the ip
[05:50] <crweb> ?
[05:50] <crweb> where?
[05:51] <XPI> network settings
[05:51] <crweb> ok...
[05:51] <crweb> in the kde control panel?
[05:51] <XPI> yes
[05:52] <XPI> control center
[05:52] <crweb> look under Routes  to set the gateway
[05:52] <crweb> if you change the ip, the gateway is probably going to change
[05:52] <XPI> yeah, it disapears when i press apply
[05:53] <crweb> i'm not using breezy... so i really can't help with visuals
[05:53] <crweb> sorry
[05:53] <XPI> :(
[05:54] <XPI> it's so hard to get wireless network working :(
[05:54] <crweb> setting a gateway won't matter until you are connected to a access point anyway
[05:54] <XPI> maybe a problem with ndiswrapper?
[05:54] <crweb> did you setup ndiswrapper?
[05:55] <XPI> yes
[05:55] <crweb> ndiswrapper takes more than just installing it
[05:55] <crweb> you have to download and install the windows drivers
[05:55] <XPI> /home/kubuntu/Drivers/
[05:55] <crweb> ok?
[05:55] <XPI> i installed them
[05:56] <crweb> you ndiswrapper -i file.inf
[05:56] <XPI> yes
[05:56] <crweb> maybe try a different combination
[05:56] <crweb> err.. different inf/sys
[05:56] <XPI> when i open wireless lan manager, it says "out of range"
[05:56] <XPI> hmm
[05:56] <crweb> well,
[05:56] <crweb> did you type a essid in?
[05:56] <XPI> yes
[05:57] <crweb> is it correct?
[05:57] <XPI> yes
[05:57] <krenx> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BuildingWineFromSource - ive got problems with the patching part. would anyone be so kind to help me? :)
[05:57] <crweb> how about just leaving it blank?
[05:57] <crweb> XPI: it's probably saying out of range, cause it's not finding the essid you typed in
[05:58] <XPI> now it's stuck at Enabling wlan0
[05:59] <damian_> can i give sudo my password someow eg so i can use sudo inside of a script
[05:59] <damian_> i need to do a sudo mount -a on window manager load but dont want to have to type the password
[06:00] <tarmath> you'reobviously doing this the wrong way
[06:01] <tarmath> mounting all partitions should be done by default already in kubuntu, have you changed this?
[06:01] <crweb> damian_: add it to your fstab
[06:02] <crweb> damian_: mount -o username=<user>,password=<password> -t smbfs
[06:03] <crweb> heh
[06:03] <crweb> wrong channel
[06:14] <FearMoth> in adept, I go to install libxine1c2 and click "request install" but nothing happens. the "requested" action doesn't change from "no change" to "install", and apt-get install libxine1c2 says there's no installation candidate.. any idea why/
[06:29] <crweb> FearMoth: because that's not the righ tname
[06:30] <crweb> FearMoth: apt-caceh search libxine1c2
[06:30] <crweb> FearMoth: apt-cache search libxine1c2
[06:50] <kev1n> FearMoth: I had that problem. In the end I attempted to install through apot-get install and the error message provided said that libxine1-main has repalced that file
[06:51] <kev1n> libxine1c2 is an obsoleted file
[06:52] <FearMoth> ok, i'll try libxinelc2 thanks
[06:55] <FearMoth> i mean libxine1-main
[06:55] <FearMoth> thaks
[06:55] <kev1n> no probs
[06:55] <kev1n> i found it was already binstalled.
[06:57] <FearMoth> kev1n: yeah, same here, i need to get mp3 support.. what libraries do I need to install for amorok?
[06:58] <m5m> robotgeek: thanks for the pastebin re:gpg/mutt, it's still not reading them for me, but it's a small hassle to pipe them to gpg... I think it has to do with mime, not sure though
[06:58] <robotgeek> m5m: hmm, okay
[06:59] <m5m> robotgeek: I found this that makes sense, but i'm not sure, since it works via procmail whether it should work retro-actively for messages in my inbox... http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-HOWTO/Mutt-GnuPG-PGP-HOWTO.html#sec-procmail.2
[07:00] <robotgeek> m5m: i think i got mine from same site linked from gpg homepage
[07:00] <m5m> ah ok thanks robotgeek
[07:05] <r0b> hey, i have two soundcards, one on board, now i cant get any sound from my dedicated soundcard. im a complete newbie, so can anoyone give me a hand?
[07:17] <Crashoveride> hey how do I fnd out my lan IP on linux?
[07:17] <_sEBAs_> !nick
[07:17] <ubotu> Do they come in packets of five. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, _sEBAs_
[07:17] <Crashoveride> "?
[07:18] <Crashoveride> that link doesnt work btw
[07:18] <Crashoveride> anyway how do i find my LAN IP on linux?
[07:24] <_sEBAs_> ip route
[07:24] <_sEBAs_> or ifconfig eth0(depending of how many ethernet you have)
[07:33] <_sEBAs_> sxdf
[07:38] <intelikey> i have a panel tht i want to remove... but i don't see any way to move or remove it...  ?
[07:38] <robotgeek> intelikey: right click?
[07:39] <intelikey> robotgeek yeah but there is no way to move/remobe it
[07:39] <robotgeek> intelikey: hmm, maybe in configure
[07:40] <intelikey> control center ?
[07:42] <intelikey> ah found it.   window behaveour  show menubar at top....    this is hardly a default setup...    i'm avtually running blackbox and kicker  :)
[07:43] <intelikey> my it's quiet in here.
[07:45] <intelikey> well this box is proof that one can do a server-install of ubuntu hoary   and upgrade to dapper then install kdebase and get it working....    :)
[07:47] <mohammed> hi does any one knows a program that works like amule ?
[07:47] <intelikey> emule ?    edonkey ?
[07:48] <yoshu> um.. ktorrent
[07:56] <fatejudger> crimsun: ping
[07:59] <fatejudger> !dmix
[07:59] <ubotu> I heard dmix is first try system>prefrences>multimedia system selector change it to alsa. for oss application type aoss <appl name> if still have problems then http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin
[08:03] <mohammed> i want to install amule? can any one help?
[08:07] <|lostbyte|> mohammed: you mean emule ?
[08:07] <|lostbyte|> mohammed: kmldonkwy is a lot better.
[08:08] <|lostbyte|> kmldonkey
[08:09] <mohammed> |lostbyte|: YES an edonkey client
[08:10] <|lostbyte|> mohammed: kmldonkey supports bittorrent, and other protocoles under dev..
[08:11] <mohammed> |lostbyte|: that's fine but how to install it?
[08:12] <|lostbyte|> apt-get install kmldonkey
[08:12] <mohammed> |lostbyte|: thanks alot
[08:12] <|lostbyte|> ;)
[08:13] <mohammed> |lostbyte|: it gives me `E: Couldn't find package kmldonkey`
[08:15] <|lostbyte|> mohammed: apt-cache search mldonkey
[08:15] <intelikey> mohammed: apt-cache search donkey
[08:16] <mohammed> it gives me no answer
[08:16] <krenx> I dont know why but this makes me ROFL: http://www.prexia.de/images/picz/lol.jpg
[08:16] <krenx> :p
[08:17] <intelikey> kmldonkey - KDE GUI for MLDonkey
[08:17] <intelikey> mldonkey-gui - Graphical frontend for mldonkey based on GTK
[08:17] <intelikey> mldonkey-server - Door to the 'donkey' network
[08:17] <mohammed> is there is another source place that i have to add to my sources list?
[08:17] <|lostbyte|> winamp...
[08:17] <intelikey> but that is dapper repos.
[08:17] <|lostbyte|> !repo
[08:17] <ubotu> |lostbyte|: I give up. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[08:17] <|lostbyte|> !repos
[08:17] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[08:17] <mohammed> i have the kubuntu 6.06
[08:19] <|lostbyte|> huh ?
[08:19] <kev1n> !easysource
[08:19] <ubotu> For an easy to use custom sources.list creator, visit http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[08:19] <mohammed> ubotu: thanks
[08:19] <ubotu> mohammed: graag gedaan
[08:22] <mohammed> ubotu: should i do both pakages and sources?
[08:22] <ubotu> mohammed: Some people juggle geese. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[08:23] <|lostbyte|> mohammed: It is a bot :)
[08:24] <|lostbyte|> Do !<word> and it will define it.
[08:31] <mohammed> ubotu:  i got 'sudo: deb: command not found'
[08:31] <ubotu> mohammed: No idea, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[08:33] <mohammed> ubotu: what should i do with the text file the site opened?
[08:33] <ubotu> I don't know, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, mohammed
[08:34] <mohammed> ubotu: ok thanks alot
[08:34] <ubotu> mohammed: Syntax error in line 1. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[08:34] <intelikey> ubotu tell mohammed about yourself
[08:36] <mohammed> hi i want to ask silly quistion?
[08:36] <mohammed> is ubontu in not a real user????????
[08:36] <Hobbsee> mohammed: shoot.
[08:37] <Hobbsee> mohammed: ubotu is a bot, so not a real user, yes
[08:37] <Hobbsee> !+bot
[08:37] <ubotu> Yep, that's me! I'm a bot alright. Read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage to find out how to use me. Do NOT play with me in any channel except #debian-bots.
[08:37] <mohammed> am i taking to a machine
[08:37] <intelikey> correct
[08:37] <mohammed> oh that's really nice
[08:37] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: isn't it great to watch people talk to ubotu?
[08:37] <Hobbsee> hehe
[08:38] <fatejudger> I finally fixed my sound
[08:38] <fatejudger> someone responded to my bug report
[08:38] <fatejudger> said dmix was enabled by default for USB sound cards
[08:38] <fatejudger> so I did it myself
[08:38] <fatejudger> and it works great
[08:38] <mohammed> i thought that's a real man :) silly me hhhheee
[08:39] <q00p> does this work for anyone? echo "<?php print 'test'; exit; ?>" > test.php; php4-cgi ./test.php
[08:39] <q00p> it doesn't work for me in dapper.
[08:39] <q00p> i get no input file specified
[08:41] <fatejudger> I hope we see gstreamer 0.10 support for Kaffeine soon
[08:42] <fatejudger> gstreamer handles sound and codec errors a hell of a lot better than xine
[08:42] <fatejudger> it actually gives an error instead of crashing
[08:48] <fatejudger> does anyone know when Kaffeine is supposed to get gstreamer 0.10 support?
[08:48] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: i thought it was in dapper
[08:48] <fatejudger> Amarok JUST got support for gstreamer 0.10 in Dapper
[08:49] <fatejudger> I can't find the package for kaffeine
[08:49] <fatejudger> I don't think it exists
[09:11] <ninHer> hi all
[09:27] <airmikey> jus loaded kubuntu dapper flight 6....loaded without bootloader...im at a prompt that says ...grub...how do i boot to desktop
[09:28] <intelikey> root=your new ubuntu root   kernel = your new kernel  load   boot   or something like that
[09:28] <Tonio_> yop
[09:29] <intelikey> i'm a lilo fan
[09:29] <airmikey> yeah but i thought it wouldve loaded auto
[09:29] <krenx> dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -b
[09:29] <krenx> dpkg-parsechangelog: error: cannot open debian/changelog to find format: No such file or directory
[09:29] <krenx> dpkg-buildpackage: unable to determine source package is
[09:33] <airmikey> im at grub prompt....cant type anything there
[09:33] <krenx> ops
[09:33] <intelikey> [esc] 
[09:39] <airmikey> well
[09:41] <airmikey> jus installed kubuntu stops at ...grub prompt
[09:45] <stargater> hi all
[10:07] <airmikey> at a grub prompt...how do i get to the desktop
[10:07] <airmikey> so i can play with kubuntu
[10:08] <airmikey> shoot
[10:17] <Yon> hey all
[10:17] <Yon> im trying to copy from one mounted hdd to a ext mounted hdd, and it keeps giving me an error
[10:18] <Yon> can sum1 plz help :)
[10:20] <Yon> ... anyone awake?
[10:22] <foda> can you give us any more info? what kind of external hdd, what are its permissions, what is the error
[10:22] <foda> ?
[10:23] <foda> Yon
[10:24] <Yon> kk, um.. i made the mount writeable
[10:25] <Yon> and the error is 'could not make folder
[10:25] <Yon> '
[10:25] <foda> hmmm
[10:25] <Yon> both hdd's  r NTFS
[10:25] <Yon> and i used mainly in windows
[10:26] <Yon> **and are used ..
[10:26] <foda> do you have any probs writing to other external mediums?
[10:26] <foda> i dunno... i got nothin'
[10:26] <Yon> hmm... i dont know... i dont have any
[10:26] <Yon> damn, so u dont have this prob?
[10:27] <foda> nope
[10:27] <Yon> coz i have it from any hdd to hdd
[10:27] <Yon> i have a 3, + an ext
[10:28] <foda> try asking on ##linux or #ubuntu, there are more ppl there
[10:28] <Yon> kk
[10:28] <Yon> thx
[10:28] <foda> sorry couldn't be more help
[10:28] <Yon> naa, thx for trying :)
[10:31] <uniq> yon: if the disk is NTFS you will get problems in linux. NTFS support in linux is very limited.
[10:32] <Yon> :/ no way to over come this?
[10:32] <uniq> write to NTFS?
[10:33] <uniq> there are evil and insecure hacks. But writing to NTFS is recommended only from windows.
[10:33] <Yon> from NTFS to NTFS
[10:33] <uniq> If you want to keep your files I would recommend doing this operation from windows.
[10:33] <Yon> ... thats my prob, i need to formatt coz i cant get into mindows
[10:33] <Yon> *windows
[10:34] <uniq> ok. then you can take a look at captive-ntfs, as far as i know it's the best alternative.
[10:34] <uniq> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaptiveHowTo
[10:34] <Yon> captive ntfs?
[10:35] <Yon> kk
[10:35] <Yon> thx
[10:35] <uniq> if you want to backup partitions you might want to checkout partimage.
[10:36] <uniq> http://www.partimage.org/
[10:36] <uniq> but then again, if you need to write to a ntfs-disk you would want captive-ntfs anyway.
[10:37] <Yon> oh wait, im useing grub right, now if i install windows on a diffrent HDD, is it gona mess things up?
[10:37] <uniq> yes, probably.
[10:38] <Yon> :/ lol, so i have to reinstall linux... ?
[10:38] <uniq> windows will overwrite grub
[10:38] <uniq> no, not reinstall linux, only grub.
[10:39] <uniq> you'll have to boot to a livecd/rescue cd and reinstall grub, after installing windows.
[10:39] <Yon> kk
[10:39] <Yon> i think ill do that then
[10:39] <Yon> thx
[10:39] <uniq> the process is explained step by step on ubuntuforums.org somewhere.
[10:40] <Yon> ok, thx alot man
[10:41] <JoHn123> hi
[10:41] <uniq> hi.
[11:11] <Broxtor> how can I set up my soundcard in Dapper?
[11:15] <kmon> hi
[11:25] <kmon> where can I disable IPv6 in dapper?
[11:31] <soulfreshner> how do I tell what the executable name is for a program running in gnome /kde
[12:00] <hardfalcon> hi
[12:31] <hardfalcon> is anybody in here who has got kernel 2.6.16 to run?
[12:43] <nico8481> hi
[12:49] <endy> a
[12:52] <dokong> which package contain mod_dir for apache2? can't find when apt-get search mod_dir
[12:54] <dokong> done
[12:57] <Jupp3> By the way, is Ubuntu 6 much better than the latest release version?
[12:57] <Ubugtu> Ubuntu bug 6 in gdb "gdb package contains non-free GNU FDL documentation" [Normal,Resolved: notwarty]  http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6
[12:58] <Jupp3> A few friends have said that is'a  LOT better... Faster etc.
[12:59] <Hobbsee> er...it shouldnt be, per se...
[12:59] <Get_Hyphy> whether a desktop os is faster is pretty subjective
[01:00] <Jupp3> Well, obviously it was about Ubuntu, not Kubuntu :)
[01:00] <Jupp3> But obviously I'll want Kubuntu
[01:03] <Hobbsee> heh
[01:10] <WhyM> Am I the only one having trouble with xine over smb???
[01:11] <Jupp3> Well, as I've already downloaded & burned the install iso, I'll have to try it
[01:32] <ninHer> hi all
[01:33] <kosh> hello
[01:37] <edu> hi
[01:44] <dragon> hi
[01:44] <dragon> can some one tell me how i can login as root
[01:45] <kosh> you don't
[01:45] <kosh> you use sudo to run commands as root
[01:45] <edu> miji
[01:45] <edu> hey
[01:46] <edu> how can i mount usb mass storage devices in kubuntu 5.10? it's strange, ubuntu does but kubuntu don't :-S
[01:46] <kosh> all you should have to do is plug it in
[01:46] <kosh> and it should just auto work
[01:46] <kosh> I have not seen any cases so far where that did not work
[01:47] <edu> :-S
[01:47] <edu> in my case
[01:47] <edu> i install ubuntu, or try the live cd, and it works, but in kubunt it simply don't work! :-(
[01:47] <dragon> so how can i change the fstab in sudo
[01:48] <edu> and in mandriva works, with kde, so it must be a bug, isn't it?
[01:48] <dragon> have you look fot a pugin in adept ?
[01:49] <dragon> for*
[01:50] <edu> no, i haven't
[01:51] <kosh> dragon: well sudo vim /etc/fstab would do it if you like using vim
[01:51] <kosh> dragon: however you might be happier with using kdesu kedit /etc/fstab   if you are in the gui
[01:51] <edu> one last question
[01:52] <edu> can i install kubuntu from an ubuntu installation? with synaptic, adding the cd to the repositories
[01:53] <kosh> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[01:53] <kosh> all of kubuntu is in the main archives already
[01:53] <bimberi> edu: sure - 'sudo apt-cdrom add' (to add the cd) then ^^^^ :)  (or use synaptic)
[01:56] <edu> thanks, bimberi
[01:56] <edu> bye
[01:56] <edu> i'll try it
[01:56] <dragon> when i try to open the fstab file it say command cannot found
[01:57] <soulfreshner> what is the default window manager for kde?
[01:57] <kosh> soulfreshner: kwin
[01:57] <kosh> dragon: what command did you use?
[01:57] <soulfreshner> ta, kosh :)
[01:57] <dragon> sudo gedit /etc/fstab
[01:58] <dragon> sudo kedit /etc/fstab
[01:58] <kosh> okay how about just doing alt-f2   kdesu kedit
[01:58] <kosh> and when kedit opens have it open /etc/fstab
[01:59] <dragon> kedit is not found :S
[01:59] <kosh> you have kubuntu installed but no kedit?
[02:00] <dragon> i think so :P
[02:00] <soulfreshner> xgl is awesome!!
[02:00] <kosh> that sure seems strange
[02:00] <Hobbsee> kosh: kwrite is installed by default, no kedit
[02:01] <kosh> okay do kdesu kwrite /etc/fstab
[02:02] <dragon> it works :D
[02:03] <dragon> thx for the help :D
[02:05] <noiesmo> here are some xgl screens http://noiesmo.dnsalias.net/compiz_pics/
[02:13] <soulfreshner> noiesmo: yep - and here is how to set it up :) it works for kde and gnome http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=131267
[02:14] <soulfreshner> I can't stop wobbling my windows....
[02:15] <noiesmo> soulfreshner, the link i posted is my screens i have xgl
[02:15] <noiesmo> mine spring into shape when i minimise and max a konsole window
[02:16] <soulfreshner> noiesmo: hehe -oops, sorry :)
[02:16] <dragon> hi
[02:16] <noiesmo> soulfreshner, np :0
[02:17] <dragon> is there a decent program to open rar files ?
[02:17] <soulfreshner> noiesmo: maybe youc can help me, then - how do I get the fade to work?
[02:18] <noiesmo> soulfreshner, have you got gconf-editor
[02:18] <soulfreshner> noiesmo: yep
[02:18] <noiesmo> soulfreshner, ok go to apps > compiz > plugins
[02:19] <soulfreshner> noiesmo: got it
[02:19] <soulfreshner> what do I need to set?
[02:19] <noiesmo> soulfreshner, If you remove "splash" from the window_ypes of fade then it works correctly.
[02:20] <soulfreshner> noiesmo: removed...
[02:20] <soulfreshner> do I need to restart compiz?
[02:20] <noiesmo> soulfreshner, no should need to
[02:21] <soulfreshner> noiesmo: hmmm... I can't see a difference - how / when are the windows supposed to fade?
[02:22] <noiesmo> soulfreshner, use keys left shift +alt + mouse wheel is what i use
[02:22] <noiesmo> soulfreshner, they should also fade when you move them but
[02:23] <soulfreshner> noiesmo: it doesn't do anything (L<Shift>+L<Alt>+MouseWheel)
[02:24] <noiesmo> soulfreshner, hmm when i put mouse over xchat then do (L<Shift>+L<Alt>+ turn MouseWheel) it fades
[02:25] <krenx> !wine
[02:25] <dragon> !wine
[02:25] <dragon> ?
[02:26] <noiesmo> soulfreshner, also if you have multiple windows open do not the non active fade
[02:30] <dragon> how can i open rar files ???
[02:30] <dragon> !rar
[02:30] <ubotu> well, rar is a non-free archive format created by Rarsoft. For instructions on accessing .rar files through the Archive Manager view https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FileCompression
[02:31] <SlimG> dragon: sudo apt-get install unrar (you must have plf in repos)
[02:32] <dragon> file exist
[02:32] <dragon> that is what is get
[02:33] <dragon> Parcel unrar has no installeerbare candidate
[02:33] <dragon> installeerbare is instaleble
[02:36] <dragon> it cant instal unrar
[02:42] <noiesmo> dragon, you need multiverse in sources.list then sudo apt-get update sudo apt-get install rar sudo ln -fs /usr/bin/rar /usr/bin/unrar
[02:42] <rysiek|pl> guys, could someone give me a hint, what's the command for getting the user's homedir (e.g. this_command '~mike' -> '/home/mike')? DIR='~mike' does not seem to work in bash scripts :/
[02:44] <angasule> rysiek|pl: $HOME I think it is
[02:44] <h3sp4wn> rysiek: $HOME
[02:44] <rysiek|pl> not the current user's, though (sorry, should've told that in the first place)
[02:45] <angasule> has any of you installed an HP laserjet 1020? the foo2zjs driver in *buntu seems outdated
[02:45] <angasule> rysiek|pl: you could read /etc/passwd
[02:46] <rysiek|pl> angasule: yeah, I could, but that seems a bit overshot for a simple, 10-line script (I mean, all the string operations and such)
[02:46] <rysiek|pl> and I seem to remember there *was* a simpler way
[02:47] <angasule> rysiek|pl: umh, get a list of all directories in /home ?
[02:47] <rysiek|pl> won't work when the user has some strange homedir (and in this case - he does. it's a daemon's user)
[02:48] <rysiek|pl> ~hal2006 -> /var/run/hal2006 it is, so no /home here. I could, of course, hardcode the path, but that's, well, lame :)
[02:49] <angasule> rysiek|pl: well, hardcode, use passwd or ask in #bash , I don't know what else you can do
[02:49] <Ryoga> Hi I have a problem with my screen resolution, can someone help me?
[02:50] <rysiek|pl> angasule: ok, thx anyway.
[02:50] <rysiek|pl> Ryoga: what's the prob
[02:50] <WhyM> Ryoga: Have you edited your /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
[02:51] <Ryoga> WhyM: I don't know what line to edit
[02:52] <angasule> Ryoga: what *is* the problem?
[02:52] <WhyM> The modlines under Section "Monitor"
[02:52] <kudrnac> hi
[02:52] <kudrnac> how are you?
[02:52] <angasule> hi kudrnac
[02:52] <Ryoga> angasule: i want to set my resolution to 1280x800
[02:52] <Ryoga> but it's not in the list
[02:53] <WhyM> You can add it manually (ex: "kdesu kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf")
[02:54] <Ryoga> modeline  "1024x768@60" 65.0 1024 1048 1184 1344 768 771 777 806 -vsync -hsync
[02:54] <Ryoga> what are all these numbers?
[02:55] <noiesmo> ubotu, tell Ryoga about resolution
[02:56] <Ryoga> ty
[03:00] <root> hi
[03:01] <Icke> I have a problem; Kubuntu boots fine, but when i log in at the login screen, the screen goes black and then returns to the login screen :(
[03:02] <Icke> console login works fine
[03:03] <Hobbsee> !xhangs
[03:03] <ubotu> If the GUI hangs after logging in, use <ctrl><alt><f1> to switch to text mode. Log in and do: rm .{X,ICE}authority
[03:04] <Ryoga> ahh, seems to be because I have a strange intel 915 graphic adapter
[03:12] <sword> what's a good program to determine your case temperature, etc?
[03:19] <Ryoga85> hi
[03:19] <Ryoga85> yeah, it works!
[03:20] <niekie> Hmm.. I'm trying to make my screensaver turn on when I move away with my Bluetooth mobile phone, with the "Device Discovery" jobs in kbluetoothd, however the "Also execute job regularly:" checkbox is grayed out, anyone know what causes this and how to fix it?
[03:22] <Ryoga85> nice idea niekie
[03:22] <niekie> Ryoga85, hehe.
[03:24] <niekie> Ryoga85, is that box grayed out for you too?
[03:25] <Ryoga85> where is it?
[03:25] <Ryoga85> ah
[03:25] <Ryoga85> yes
[03:25] <Ryoga85> it is
[03:26] <qualus> heya. is it safe to change the hostname of a computer, to something other than that what your network settings gave when installing Kubuntu ?
[03:26] <niekie> Ryoga85, that's what's blocking me from doing what I want, I guess.
[03:26] <niekie> And I have no idea as to why it is grayed out.
[03:27] <Ryoga85> hmm
[03:27] <qualus> as in, my hostname is now ZYYYMMMCCCLX, and i want it to be Carolina ?
[03:27] <HymnToLife> qualus> man hostname
[03:28] <HymnToLife> basically all you hae to do is run the command sudo hostname your_new_hostname and change the first line of /etc/hosts according to the new hostname you choose
[03:28] <qualus> ahh.. right
[03:30] <qualus> so that'll give me basically a new hostmask, instead of botching everything up ?
[03:30] <HymnToLife> exactly
[03:30] <qualus> right, cheers, mate
[03:30] <HymnToLife> and DON'T forget to edit /etc/hosts or you won't be able to sudo ;)
[03:31] <qualus> hehe, will do ^^
[03:32] <qualus> 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost ZYYYMMMCCCLX <-- so i'll just change the latter part to "Carolina"
[03:34] <nanhovan> I can't use skim to input chinese
[03:34] <Ryoga85> niekie: how to set up the screen saver at all?
[03:34] <nanhovan> I am in Kubuntu now
[03:34] <nanhovan> Could you give me some suggestion?
[03:35] <qualus> hmm...
[03:36] <qualus> ok.. it won't let me save the changes O_o
[03:37] <qualus> sudo: unable to lookup carolina via gethostbyname() <-- i keep getting that message
[03:42] <qualus> sooo.. i'm stuck now, i can't change the hostname back to the way it was, nor can i access /etc/hosts to save it
[03:42] <Ryoga85> ah, got it
[03:46] <qualus> damnit.. little help, please ?
[03:46] <lance> hello
[03:46] <qualus> i'm seriously stuck now :/
[03:46] <JohnFlux> qualus: why can't you access /etc/hosts ?
[03:47] <qualus> i can access it, bu i can't save the file after editing
[03:47] <lance> Is there a way to have multiple unix logins for one person, but the same home, same everything... just different usernames
[03:47] <JohnFlux> qualus: are you root?
[03:47] <soulfreshner> qualus sudo vi /etc/hosts
[03:47] <qualus> yes, i am
[03:47] <JohnFlux> lance: make a new user, then change /etc/passwd to point to the same home
[03:48] <JohnFlux> lance: then put both users in the same group
[03:48] <lance> JohnFlux: Thanks! I'll try that
[03:48] <JohnFlux> lance: then chmod g+rwX  everything in their home and chown all the files to be in that group
[03:48] <qualus> hmm.. now what ? i entered "sudo vi /etc/hosts)
[03:48] <JohnFlux> qualus: i don't see why as root you can't save it
[03:49] <JohnFlux> qualus: then you should be able to edit the file
[03:49] <qualus> sudo: unable to lookup carolina via gethostbyname() <-- i keep getting that message
[03:49] <JohnFlux> qualus: ah
[03:49] <JohnFlux> qualus: hmm
[03:49] <qualus> i did "sudo hostname carolina" which changed it from ZYYYMMMCCCLX to carolina
[03:50] <qualus> and now i'm screwed :(
[03:50] <JohnFlux> i see
[03:50] <qualus> but it didn't let me edit the file before the change either
[03:50] <lance> JohnFlux: Thanks.. I have two different usernames on two seperate servers, but it causes me grief when I try to remotely edit files with "vi"... so I figure I'll just su to the proper username before editting... does this sound like it will work?
[03:50] <JohnFlux> qualus: okay you will need to reboot, and chose safe mode
[03:50] <JohnFlux> qualus: that should dump you in as root
[03:50] <qualus> ok
[03:50] <JohnFlux> qualus: fix /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts
[03:51] <JohnFlux> At least I think kubuntu sets up a safemode boot
[03:51] <qualus> ok, i'll try that
[03:51] <JohnFlux> lance: you could put both users in the same group
[03:51] <JohnFlux> lance: then make sure all the files are owned by that group
[03:52] <JohnFlux> although the usernames are on two seperate servers?
[03:52] <JohnFlux> hmm
[03:52] <lance> JohnFlux: yead different servers... dont have admin on those servers
[03:52] <hussam> kkathman: hello
[03:53] <JohnFlux> lance: dunno sorry
[03:53] <lance> JohnFlux: but I think the multiple identities on this machine will work... I'll just switch to the right one before connecting..
[03:54] <hussam> Riddell: is the beta2 live cd relatively safe to install from?
[03:55] <qualus> damnit..
[03:55] <qualus> i'm in GNOME failsafe now..
[03:55] <qualus> and it won't let me do anything
[03:56] <hussam> qualus: why are you in failsafe?
[03:57] <qualus> since i tried to correct the hostname by booting up to failsafe, which "should've" booted me as root (which i already was, but after changing hostname, couldn't sudo at all)
[03:57] <qualus> gah.. what do i do ?
[03:59] <qualus> oh hell.. i can't change the hostname back at all
[04:00] <qualus> i'll reboot
[04:06] <TehUni> if i'm using kubuntu dapper flight6 and all is well... any need to upgrade to beta2?
[04:07] <hussam> TehUni: probably yes, flights are alpha releases. beta releaes should be more stable.
[04:07] <Ryoga85> niekie: are you still there?
[04:07] <niekie> Ryoga85, yes.
[04:07] <TehUni> mmmm
[04:07] <TehUni> might be about time for a fresh install anyway
[04:07] <TehUni> i've about broken this one enough
[04:07] <Ryoga85> niekie: can you tell me how to set the screen saver?
[04:08] <niekie> Ryoga85, what do you mean?
[04:09] <vge> hmm, so which is the newest version atm?
[04:10] <Ryoga85> niekie: I want to use a screen saver, where can I enable it, chose it and so on?
[04:10] <deflate> hi, do I need more than 2GB to install kubuntu?
[04:10] <qualus> w00t :D
[04:11] <niekie> Ryoga85, click the K icon, go to System Settings, and click on "Desktop"
[04:11] <qualus> it returned to the old one, booted to recovery mode, and now it's back to normal ^^
[04:11] <niekie> Then you'll see Screen Saver listed, as far as I know.
[04:11] <Ryoga85> ah, right
[04:11] <Ryoga85> yeah, ty, that was the menu i missed *lol*
[04:11] <vge> em i wrong if i assume that if id had dapper that my system is upgraded to latest version, or em i wrong?
[04:11] <Ryoga85> another question
[04:12] <Ryoga85> I want to play 3D games, how to enable 3D for my graphic card?
[04:12] <niekie> Depends on your graphic card.
[04:12] <HymnToLife> Ryoga85> what kind of card ?
[04:12] <TehUni> Ryoga85: what card?
[04:14] <deflate> it's weird because qtparted won't allow me to choose that partition
[04:15] <Ryoga85> HymnToLife & TehUni: Intel Media 915 or something
[04:15] <HymnToLife> ow
[04:17] <TehUni> would it make sense to mount my /home folder on a different partition? seems like it fills up much quicker than everything else. or should i change my downloading\installing habits?
[04:18] <vge> TehUni: yes, absolutely
[04:18] <vge> that way you can install the operating system without loosing your settings
[04:18] <HymnToLife> +1
[04:18] <TehUni> vge: which? mount it elsewhere?
[04:19] <TehUni> ok
[04:19] <TehUni> when i do a fresh install, how do i do that?
[04:19] <TehUni> so things start going where they should?
[04:19] <vge> you can set the other partition as /home
[04:19] <TehUni> just put it in fstab? or is there lots more to it than that?
[04:19] <vge> i mean in install you can
[04:20] <TehUni> oh really?
[04:20] <TehUni> ok
[04:20] <sword-> yo
[04:25] <steveire> hi.
[04:25] <steveire> I think I'm having pppoe woes
[04:27] <steveire> Each time I turn on my laptop and want to use the internet, I have to complete each part of the instructions on the wiki at the adslpppoe page.
[04:27] <steveire> I shouldn't have to do that each time should I?
[04:30] <steveire> It must be a Sunday afternoon or something...
[04:33] <sword-> hey
[04:33] <sword-> question
[04:33] <sword-> http://www.zimmertech.com/images/kubuntu_full.jpg
[04:33] <sword-> does anyone know what program that is that is giving cpu stats
[04:33] <sword-> err system stats?
[04:33] <sword-> to the right?
[04:35] <wojjan> jest tu jakis polak??
[04:36] <qualus> how do i install the lates version of SuperKaramba ?
[04:37] <Tm_T> wojjan: english please
[04:38] <Tm_T> !po
[04:38] <ubotu> Huh? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Tm_T
[04:38] <Tm_T> heh
[04:38] <Tm_T> !pl
[04:38] <ubotu> Mozesz uzyskac pomoc w jezyku polskim na #ubuntu-pl
[04:38] <qualus> ^^
[04:38] <qualus> !fi
[04:38] <ubotu> Suomenkielinen keskustelu (K)Ubuntusta kanavilla #ubuntu-fi ja #kubuntu-fi
[04:38] <qualus> heh...
[04:38] <qualus> that's there too
[04:38] <Tm_T> qualus: toki on
[04:38] <qualus> xD
[04:39] <qualus> i'm not finnish by birth tho
[04:39] <qualus> i just live here
[04:39] <qualus> heh
[04:39] <Tm_T> ugh
[04:48] <[muttox] > King: bro
[04:48] <King> bro
[04:48] <King> done
[04:51] <Popo> ciao a tutti
[04:52] <Popo> tutti?
[04:54] <Tm_T> Popo: I'll show some "tutti" to you...
[04:54] <Tm_T> !it
[04:54] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[04:55] <Tm_T> and please, please do ever never use italian in any channel if you don't be sure it's italian one, very annoying
[04:55] <Popo> oops, sorry
[04:56] <Tm_T> ;)
[04:56] <Crashoveride> Ineed to figure out the LAN IP to this linux box where would I find such a thing?
[04:56] <chowells> ifconfig
[04:56] <Tm_T> anyway, back to dying ->
[04:57] <Crashoveride> chowells: thanks
[04:57] <steveire> need
[04:59] <Chris_Tucker> how do you get mkpasswd? its not in here and its not in the reps
[04:59] <Chris_Tucker> *repos
[05:00] <decious> where can I find the supported repositories for Kubuntu?
[05:00] <steveire> test
[05:00] <qualus> is dapper worth upgrading to already, or should one wait for the stable version ?
[05:02] <decious> not to many active people, nobody knows where I can find the most recent source.lst?
[05:03] <chowells> qualus: some things might be broken, on the other hand, some things might work better. impossible to say.
[05:03] <Tm_T> decious: sources.list doesn't change really
[05:03] <qualus> ah, right
[05:03] <qualus> maybe i'll give it a poke
[05:03] <vge> decious: no harm here
[05:03] <Tm_T> qualus: dapper isn't released yet, so noguarantee, it's always at your own risk
[05:04] <qualus> aye
[05:05] <billytwoilly> hi, I'm on dapper drake through doing an ubuntu install then installing kubuntu-desktop.
[05:05] <decious> I am getting a lot of errors indicating that the packages marked for upgrade are not there
[05:05] <chowells> qualus: I stuck it on my laptop and it seems relatively fine
[05:05] <billytwoilly> in synaptic, it says I have kuickshow installed, but it is not available as an option to view a picture or on the command line when I type kuickshow
[05:06] <deflate> can I install kubuntu to an extended partition?
[05:07] <deflate> because qtparted won't see it
[05:07] <vge> !bug
[05:07] <ubotu> bugs are reported to https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bugs
[05:07] <neumi> hi guys, where can i set the option to switch between the virtual desktops by moving the cursor to the site of the frame?
[05:09] <renato> anyone know how I can improve kubuntu sound?
[05:10] <renato> 'cause it sucks big time :-P
[05:10] <vge> improve sound?
[05:11] <vge> get better speakers? ;)
[05:11] <renato> heheh
[05:11] <renato> anyone else?
[05:11] <billytwoilly> anyone    on dapper? could you try and see if kuickshow works for you pelase?
[05:11] <renato> :-P
[05:11] <renato> dapper's out?
[05:12] <renato> stable?
[05:12] <billytwoilly> beta 2
[05:12] <renato> oh, ok
[05:12] <billytwoilly> really quite stable though.
[05:12] <renato> what's new?
[05:12] <neumi> firefox^^
[05:12] <billytwoilly> only problem is the kuickshow package doesn't appear to have kuickshow in it..
[05:12] <vge> i get newest dapper if i have the dapper repos?
[05:12] <renato> I'll wait for the stable
[05:13] <billytwoilly> just switch everything in your source.list to dapper and you can update to dapper...
[05:13] <billytwoilly> I'd wait though.
[05:13] <renato> I'm quite happy with breezy
[05:13] <neumi> think so @ vge
[05:13] <billytwoilly> I only did an install because I bought a new computer and didn't want to reinstall/update when dapper came out.
[05:13] <renato> sound sucks though
[05:13] <renato> big time
[05:13] <vge> in what way?
[05:14] <neumi> maybe you have set the wrong soundserver
[05:14] <renato> I didn't set anything
[05:14] <neumi> ^^
[05:14] <Moopere> sound in kde has always sucked
[05:14] <renato> it's kind of dim
[05:14] <TheUni> i'm doing a fresh install of kubuntu on an a64 system. should i use the a64 version? or is x86 easier to use/maintain ?
[05:14] <Moopere> arts is well past its use by date
[05:14] <billytwoilly> is anyone even working on arts anymore?
[05:14] <Moopere> nope - not for years now
[05:15] <Moopere> neither with esd either tho
[05:15] <renato> what's arts?
[05:15] <Moopere> arts is the kde software mixer/sound server
[05:15] <billytwoilly> really? and here I thought esd was all getting developed and crap... and arts was getting left in the dust...
[05:15] <renato> interesting
[05:16] <vge> i just have huge :(
[05:16] <Moopere> nope, esd hasn't has any development for years.  just like arts tho, it gets bug fixes to a certaIN DEGREE
[05:16] <Moopere> oops - caps lock
[05:16] <renato> does anyone know if I can get into my windows partition from here?
[05:16] <renato> and if so how?
[05:16] <Ryoga85> renato: are you on the live cd?
[05:16] <TheUni> renato: you need to mount it.
[05:16] <vge> nfts disks can be read
[05:16] <billytwoilly> so yah, dapper users please try and use kuickshow and get back to me...
[05:16] <renato> no, I'm running breezy
[05:17] <renato> it's installed
[05:17] <renato> for months now
[05:17] <Moopere> what is kuickshow?
[05:17] <billytwoilly> Moopere: really good image viewer.
[05:17] <Ryoga85> renato: hmm
[05:17] <TheUni> renato: http://ubuntuguide.org/#mountunmountntfs
[05:17] <Moopere> installed by default?
[05:17] <Ryoga85> well I can access mine
[05:18] <vge> billytwoilly: where can i get it?
[05:18] <decious> so what is the difference between dapper, hoary, and breezy?
[05:18] <renato> thanks
[05:18] <billytwoilly> vge: you have to be on dapper...
[05:18] <Ryoga85> how to install ndiswrapper on a PC without internet connection?
[05:18] <vge> who say i  aint?
[05:18] <apokryphos> decious: check the beta release notes to find out.
[05:18] <billytwoilly> decious: just newer software...
[05:18] <vge> and i canf find it in repos
[05:18] <billytwoilly> vge: apt-get install kuickshow
[05:18] <apokryphos> billytwoilly: not just software updates. More schemes 8)
[05:18] <apokryphos> i.e. espresso
[05:19] <billytwoilly> bah.. you can install more themes by yourself.. it's essentially just more software.. and all the software works better together...
[05:19] <apokryphos> vge: kuickshow has been removed from dapper IIRC
[05:20] <vge> IIRC?
[05:20] <billytwoilly> apokryphos: they removed kuickshow?!??!!?
[05:20] <apokryphos> if I recall correctly
[05:20] <TheUni> what's kuickshow?
[05:20] <apokryphos> billytwoilly: yeah, it sucks.
[05:20] <billytwoilly> iirc=if I remember correctly
[05:20] <Moopere> umm
[05:20] <billytwoilly> kuickshow is awesome.
[05:20] <vge> yes, could not find it
[05:20] <Tm_T> err?
[05:20] <apokryphos> ermm, why?
[05:21] <apokryphos> what does it have that gwenview or digikam could possibly lack?
[05:21] <billytwoilly> because it's very minimalist and it automagically shows the pictures in the directory around the picture you're viewing when you scroll the mouse whell.
[05:21] <apokryphos> it hasn't been actively maintained for years
[05:21] <billytwoilly> that's probably why it's so minimalist and thus awesome.
[05:21] <renato> how worried should I be about viruses with linux?
[05:21] <vge> renato: close to none
[05:21] <apokryphos> billytwoilly: gwenview is minimalist when you use it to open up just one picture
[05:21] <Moopere> thats really weird - there is a package for kuickshow, but its not got kuickshow inside
[05:21] <renato> oh, good, thanks vge
[05:22] <apokryphos> Moopere: it's going to be removed entirely for dapper
[05:22] <vge> hmm, in what repo is it, cos i cant eaven see the empty paggage?
[05:22] <billytwoilly> apokryphos: k, how do I get rid of the crap along the top of gwenview and make it so it will scroll the pictures in the directory when I use the scroll wheel on my mouse?
[05:22] <renato> and does anyone know why internet speed is lower with kubuntu than it is when I boot Windows?
[05:22] <Moopere> vge: its in universe
[05:22] <apokryphos> billytwoilly: you remove the "crap" the same way you remove it in any other KDE application
[05:23] <renato> slower*
[05:23] <Moopere> renato: not so here - same speed
[05:23] <billytwoilly> apokryphos: can I set it up to scroll throw the pictures in the directory with the scroll wheel on my mouse?
[05:23] <renato> hmm, that troubles me
[05:23] <apokryphos> billytwoilly: perhaps; check the settings
[05:23] <HymnToLife> renato> depends on lots of things, are you on dialup ?
[05:23] <renato> no, LAN
[05:23] <Moopere> ya, lan here too
[05:23] <HymnToLife> hmm this is not normal
[05:24] <apokryphos> billytwoilly: yes, there is an option in gwenview for that
[05:24] <renato> crappy LAN though
[05:24] <renato> lol
[05:24] <vge> Moopere: as i see i have universe added, but i cant see it
[05:24] <Moopere> renato: how are u measuring the network throughput?
[05:24] <apokryphos> gwenview is a far superior image viewer (both embedded and stand-alone) than old kuickshow
[05:24] <renato> by clicking on links and waiting
[05:24] <billytwoilly> apokryphos: if you know where it is please let me know;) otherwise I'll just have to keep searching..
[05:24] <renato> :-P
[05:25] <Moopere> renato: You might have firefox troubles with ip6 perhaps?
[05:25] <apokryphos> billytwoilly: it's in the same place that all KDE applications have to alter their settings...
[05:25] <renato> actually firefox runs a little faster than konqueror
[05:25] <Moopere> also ubuntu firefox build is supposed to be really really slow compared to others
[05:25] <apokryphos> billytwoilly: KDE is all about consistency ;-)
[05:25] <steveire> renato: I had the same issue.
[05:25] <apokryphos> billytwoilly: Settings > Configure
[05:25] <billytwoilly> apokryphos: I think I foudn it in shortcuts, but it won't let me put the scroll wheel in for the shortcut.
[05:25] <renato> really, what did you do steveire?
[05:25] <Moopere> renato: really?  Firefox faster than Konq?  wow, thats messed up (smile)
[05:25] <vge> any gui program to set download speeds of sertain processes?
[05:25] <renato> ha ha
[05:26] <steveire> Someone here told me how to fix it
[05:26] <apokryphos> billytwoilly: options for mouse-related things always remain in configure > settings. Configure shortcuts is only keyboard-based shortcuts.
[05:26] <steveire> I'll try and remember
[05:26] <myndmelder> Anyone using azureus? I seem to have hit a snag.
[05:26] <renato> you're not gonna be that someone for me, are you?
[05:26] <renato> :-P
[05:26] <billytwoilly> apokryphos: I found it. thanks.
[05:26] <vge> myndmelder: have used it yes, why?
[05:27] <Moopere> I been messing around with my logitech quickcam 4000 all damn day - its never gonna work with Dapper I think
[05:27] <decious> Couldn't stat source package list http://us.archive.ubuntu.com breezy/universe Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_breezy_universe_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[05:27] <decious> this is one of the issues I get with using my sources.list
[05:27] <ubuntu> Moopere: are you having trouble with kopete and your webcam?
[05:28] <Moopere> ubuntu: ya
[05:28] <apokryphos> decious: can you pastebin your sources.list?
[05:28] <Moopere> ubuntu: Theres a bug with the current version of kopete
[05:28] <renato> you can use kopete and  a webcam
[05:28] <ubuntu> I put in a bug for that last night, there is supposed to be a patch that may be merged into dapper.
[05:28] <renato> that's so awesome, now I can trash my windows partition, :-O
[05:28] <myndmelder> Well, it doesn't want to download... I used Guarddog to disable the firewall (temporarily), but the program still does not want to connect with anyone... I looked thru the forums, but found no similar problem.
[05:28] <Moopere> renato: Well, I can't :)))
[05:28] <decious> apokryphos, not sure how to pastebin
[05:29] <apokryphos> !pastebin
[05:29] <ubotu> from memory, pastebin is http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/, a site for pasting long texts so you don't disrupt the channel - or install webboard in Gnome: http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=1269
[05:29] <renato> sorry, Moopere, got carried away
[05:29] <Moopere> ubuntu: Ya, I saw the bug report on bugs.kde.org today
[05:29] <renato> :-)
[05:29] <steveire> renato: IPv6
[05:29] <steveire> !IPv^
[05:29] <ubotu> steveire: Syntax error in line 1. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[05:29] <steveire> !IPv6
[05:29] <ubotu> To disable ipv6 read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WebBrowsingSlowIPv6IPv4
[05:29] <steveire> that's what I did.
[05:30] <vge> where can i suggest a feature to KDE?
[05:30] <Moopere> ubuntu: I can't get my logitech to talk to anything tho - something wrong in V4L2 I fear - it used to work on hoary
[05:30] <myndmelder> vge did you catch that? New to IRC
[05:30] <renato> many thanks *bows in appreciation*
[05:31] <renato> anybody know anything about grass?
[05:32] <vge> myndmelder: ohh, that kind of problems, im bad at those,  it worked just fine for me sry :/
[05:32] <billytwoilly> heh. the file transfer dialog keeps freezing... apparently doesn't like transferring 70 GB of stuff around..
[05:32] <apokryphos> decious: use that link above
[05:32] <myndmelder> Thanks, worth a shot :)
[05:33] <vge> !bug
[05:33] <ubotu> bugs are reported to https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bugs
[05:33] <Ryoga85> does anyone know how to set up the graphic card to be able to play 3D games?
[05:33] <Moopere> why thank you obotu
[05:34] <apokryphos> billytwoilly: never tested that; just use shell, I'd say.
[05:34] <apokryphos> Ryoga85: yes; what card do you have?
[05:34] <Simon^^> hey, i have probs with playing sounds. kubuntu plays standardsounds but im not able to play mp3s using amarok or kaffeine.
[05:34] <_bbeck> Moopere: can you give me an example of where you use the webcam, I'm just borrowing this one to see if it would work with dapper.  I just assumed that the only place you can use it was with kopete.
[05:34] <Simon^^> is there any way to see if full duplex is enabled?
[05:34] <steveire> |restricted
[05:35] <steveire> !restricted
[05:35] <ubotu> restricted is, like, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats  Most of the formats listed there can be replaced by !FreeFormats
[05:35] <apokryphos> Simon^^: kubuntu.org -> faq
[05:35] <steveire> does anyone use kopete for sms?
[05:35] <Moopere> _bbeck: camstream - also, it looks like kooka (scanner) should use a cam too
[05:35] <hussam> has anyone tried installing using the beta2 live cd?
[05:36] <v3ctor> Simon^^: mii-tool
[05:36] <apokryphos> hussam: nope, but I did an upgrade at the time and it looked pretty good
[05:36] <Ryoga85> apokryphos: intel media 915 or something
[05:36] <_bbeck> Is SKIM crashing for anyone else when you try to exit?
[05:36] <Moopere> _bbeck: camstream looks like it really should work tho -
[05:37] <Moopere> _bbeck: but not for me and my logitech I'm sorry to say
[05:37] <hussam> apokryphos: I'm downlaoding beta2 live cd. I want to do a fresh install.
[05:37] <Moopere> _bbeck: even ekiga locks up
[05:37] <Simon^^> works, thx
[05:37] <Ryoga85> hussam: i did
[05:37] <apokryphos> Ryoga85: hm, not sure that you can have hardware acceleration on intel cards
[05:38] <decious> apokryphos: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/13150
[05:38] <Ryoga85> apokryphos: hmm :(
[05:39] <hussam> Ryoga85: is it safe? I heard the beta 1 live cd installer caused data loss so I opted to wait for beta2.
[05:39] <Moopere> apokryphos: I'm pretty sure that HW accel works with most intel chips, but its just that the intel vga chips are pretty damn slow :(
[05:39] <apokryphos> Ryoga85: on nvidia, anyway, you add:   Option   "RenderAccel"   "true" to the "Driver" section of your xorg.conf
[05:39] <apokryphos> Moopere: do you know if hardware acceleration is enabled with them in the same way?
[05:40] <vge> hmm, in general, is my /home partition removable to other dapper machine?
[05:40] <Ryoga85> hussam: I used Partition Magic on Windows to make my partitions and just reformatted them with the installer
[05:40] <Moopere> apokryphos: I don't think so - I think its enabled by default....from memory this is how it went for me with an 845 chipset anyway
[05:40] <apokryphos> vge: yup
[05:40] <vge> sweet ;)
[05:40] <apokryphos> vge: best to try to conserve your KDE version in the transfer
[05:41] <hussam> Ryoga85: so it won't affect other existing hard disks or partitions?
[05:41] <vge> apokryphos: explaing conserve
[05:41] <apokryphos> vge: i.e. from kde 3.5 dapper, to another kde 3.5 dapper
[05:41] <Ryoga85> _bbeck: yes
[05:42] <vge> apokryphos: ic
[05:42] <apokryphos> vge: though, still, really, it should be fine. No insurmountable problems, for sure.
[05:42] <Ryoga85> _bbeck: when I exited skim and thought it was closed, 30 seconds later I got a message that it chrashed
[05:42] <Ryoga85> no hussam
[05:42] <apokryphos> I've had the same kde more-or-less for around a year (on different distros :P).
[05:42] <_bbeck> Ryoga85: thanks, that's what I was getting too, I just wanted to make certain it wasn't just this system.
[05:43] <billytwoilly> heh.
[05:44] <billytwoilly> so with the new pretty system settings that is simplified, I can't find anything;) where do I go to tell kde what apps I want to be used to do various things?
[05:44] <Ryoga85> brb
[05:44] <apokryphos> billytwoilly: configure konqueror -> settings -> file associations
[05:45] <billytwoilly> apokryphos: ok, I specifically wan to tell konversation to use firefox instead of konqueror... I'm assuming that is not in the same spot?
[05:45] <apokryphos> billytwoilly: not the same, no. You want to change the default webbroswer, which is in KDE's systemsettings
[05:45] <vge> billytwoilly: use this as the firefox start parameter "firefox %u"
[05:46] <apokryphos> K Menu -> System Settings
[05:46] <billytwoilly> where in system settings though? I can't find anything because it's all changed...
[05:48] <TheUni> would there be any performance gain to compile my own kernel for kubuntu?
[05:48] <vge> TheUni: not worth to compile the kernel for speed increase
[05:49] <billytwoilly> depends on how exotic your cpu is..
[05:49] <TheUni> a64 3500+
[05:49] <billytwoilly> not worth it...
[05:49] <TheUni> ok
[05:49] <TheUni> and...
[05:49] <billytwoilly> especially since there is already an amd64 kernel..
[05:49] <TheUni> what would the speed difference btw a64 and x86 builds be? i'm running the x86 for compat reasons
[05:50] <apokryphos> billytwoilly: search for "default"
[05:50] <billytwoilly> everything went grey...
[05:50] <apokryphos> billytwoilly: something like component chooser IIRC
[05:50] <vge> games of the day: openttd, wings2 :)
[05:51] <Ryoga> it doesn't work :(
[05:52] <decious> apokryphos: did you see anything out of the ordinary in my sources.list
[05:53] <Ryoga> apokryphos: i added "option RenderAccel" to my xorg.conf but it doesn't work
[05:54] <apokryphos> decious: try removing all occurences of "us."
[05:54] <apokryphos> it plays up a lot
[05:54] <apokryphos> Ryoga: you have to add it in the exact syntax (including the exact quote marks) as I provided above
[05:54] <Ryoga> no apokryphos
[05:54] <Ryoga> it didn't start at all when i did
[05:54] <apokryphos> what error
[05:54] <Ryoga> said "true" is not allowed
[05:55] <apokryphos> ok, it's not available in that way
[05:55] <Ryoga> or something
[05:55] <Ryoga> hm
[05:55] <apokryphos> either it's on by default, or you can't enable it
[05:55] <Ryoga> apokryphos: so i can't use it? :(
[05:56] <apokryphos> as I said, either it's on by default, or you can't enable it
[05:56] <decious> apokryphos: same problem
[05:56] <apokryphos> Ryoga: what's the output of glxinfo|grep -i direct?
[05:56] <apokryphos> decious: can you pastebin the full error?
[05:57] <Ryoga> direct rendering: No
[05:57] <Ryoga> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
[05:58] <apokryphos> Ryoga85: nvidia cards are so cheap, and an awful lot better :D
[05:58] <Ryoga85> apokryphos: yeah, but i'm using a laptop
[05:59] <Moopere> even my old gf2-mx400 kicks 915/945/955 gfx ass
[05:59] <decious> apokryphos: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/13151
[05:59] <Moopere> Ryoga85: u really can't do much - I've got an intel 845 vga on my lappy and its rubbish
[05:59] <Ryoga85> Moopere: I have gf2-mx400 too, but it just doesn't fit into my laptop *lol*
[06:00] <Moopere> Ryoga85: the dang thing understands all the 3d stuff, its just so slow...
[06:01] <Moopere> u know, I've seen new lappys with some sort of 'pcie' expansion slot - looks a lot like a pcmcia/cardbus slot, but its for replaceable graphics accelerators - damn good idea that
[06:01] <vge> my voodoo3 is still working in every platform i put it in, alltought this intel integrated shdit is fine too on my laptop
[06:02] <Moopere> vge: Try playing something like World of Warcraft with your intel video... I tried, and then I cried :)
[06:02] <apokryphos> decious: odd. You'll want to probably remove the CD as a source though
[06:02] <Ryoga85> well, it works in general and is enought for me... but umm... i wanted to play planet pengiun racer... that's why i've installed linux at all :/
[06:03] <Ryoga85> ok, not at all
[06:03] <vge> Moopere: well, i cried when i saw the game, but not becouse of slow graphics ;)
[06:03] <noteventime> Hehe, Is it a i810 discussion :D
[06:03] <Moopere> I'm so addicated to WoW its just not funny
[06:03] <noteventime> I'm using a i915gm myself, sucks bigtime
[06:03] <apokryphos> decious: if you replace that sources.list with (type /msg uboutu sources.list), do sudo apt-get update and it doesn't work... then there must be a problem with (i) your connection, or (ii) your apt.
[06:04] <noteventime> I hate the fact that I cant use the ogre engine so much I just want to rip the stupid card out and smash it
[06:04] <Moopere> noteventime: chatting about how to get some sort of 3d performance from intel chip
[06:04] <vge> hmm, they still have some job to do with amarok? i have to kill it every half a hour
[06:04] <noteventime> Moopere, You mean direct rendering?
[06:05] <Moopere> vge: Everyone loves amarok  - but I think its rubbish personally.  I use kaffeine for everything - works a treat
[06:05] <cueno> I'm still trying to get a DVD to play on my system with Dapper
[06:05] <Moopere> noteventime: yep
[06:05] <noteventime> I have direct rendeing on mine :/
[06:05] <Moopere> noteventime: Yeah, i got it going on my 845 as well, but its still slow as anything
[06:05] <noteventime> cueno, install libdvdcss
[06:05] <noteventime> Moopere, glxgears fps?
[06:06] <noteventime> I get about 1300 (T_T)
[06:06] <Moopere> noteventime: can't remember, I'm on my nvidia powered lappy right now
[06:06] <noteventime> :D sweet
[06:06] <decious> apokryphos: switching the sources.list was the secret sauce
[06:06] <apokryphos> decious: interesting
[06:07] <noteventime> Will network-manager be a part of ubuntu soon?
[06:07] <Moopere> anyone noticed how difficult it is becoming to buy a new decent laptop with an nvidia chip these days?
[06:07] <cueno> noteventime I've tried "apt-get install libdvdcss" but there isn't any listing in the apt-get database I'm using dapper
[06:07] <decious> apokryphos:  is the source.list sensitive to special characters like ^I, etc?
[06:07] <noteventime> cueno, you need the plf repo
[06:08] <Moopere> cueno: No, its a shell script installed with libreadvd3 I think
[06:08] <apokryphos> decious: perhaps
[06:08] <noteventime> cueno, http://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/doc/plf
[06:09] <Moopere> cueno: install libdvdread3
[06:10] <Moopere> cueno: then go to /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/examples and run a script called install-css.sh
[06:10] <decious> apokryphos: nothing out of the ordinary, just return  $ at the end of each line.  dunno, at any rate thanks :)
[06:11] <cueno> I'm noticing how useless my MCSE is in GNU/Linux
[06:11] <myndmelder> I installed Java 1.0.5 but azureus is using an older java that is in Kubuntu... And I cannot find it via Adept to remove it... Any advice?
[06:12] <Ryoga85> hmm
[06:12] <Ryoga85> apokryphos: maybe it works with the driver from the intel website?
[06:13] <Moopere> Ryoga85: you still trying to get some performance from your intel vga?
[06:13] <Ryoga85> yes
[06:13] <Ryoga85> but it's an rpm package :/
[06:13] <Moopere> Ryoga85: I don't remember going to intel for the answer
[06:13] <Moopere> Ryoga85: you want me to go get my other lappy and have a look?
[06:14] <_bbeck> myndmelder: I'm not suggesting that you change bittorrent clients I'm just curious, what does Azureus provide that Ktorrent does not?
[06:14] <Moopere> Ryoga85: actually, noteventimewill know, he's running a 915 and its the same driver iirc
[06:14] <Moopere> noteventime: do you remember how you got dri working with the 915?
[06:15] <noteventime> Moopere, simply change the driver to i810
[06:15] <cueno> I did the libreaddvd3 deal including running the script, but still nada
[06:15] <Moopere> noteventime: thats what I thought too - "it just works"
[06:16] <noteventime> cueno, libdvdread doesn't have support copy protected dvds
[06:16] <myndmelder> _bbeck: To be honest, I just like it. That and I was having problems with ktorrent freezing up on me all the time (I used at first since I had just installed kubuntu, and wanted to give it a try)
[06:16] <noteventime> cueno, You will need libdvdcss
[06:16] <Moopere> cueno: nada?  What, you can't play DVD's???  did hyou close and then reopen kaffeine?
[06:17] <vge> amarok dont seems to know how to randomize playlist :/
[06:17] <Ryoga85> noteventime: but can you play 3D games?
[06:17] <Moopere> cueno: if you ran the script you will now have a directory /usr/share/doc/libdvdcss2 is that right?
[06:17] <cueno> Mooepere No plugin found to handle this resource (dvd:) and yes I did reopen kaffeine
[06:17] <cueno> let me check about the libdvdcss2
[06:17] <vge> i take that back, it randomizes the list allright, would be better that it would keep the list in order and randomize the next song
[06:17] <noteventime> Ryoga85, Yes i've played Wolfeinstein enemy territory on it
[06:18] <Ryoga85> noteventime: any why doesn't it work for me? :(
[06:18] <noteventime> http://download.videolan.org/pub/libdvdcss/1.2.9/deb/libdvdcss2_1.2.9-1_i386.deb <- here is a deb if you want
[06:18] <noteventime> Ryoga, Are you running dapper?
[06:18] <Ryoga85> yes
[06:18] <noteventime> :/ Strange, I didn't have to do anything
[06:18] <myndmelder> _bbeck: But besides the point, I still need to figure out why mu latest version of Java ain't working...
[06:18] <noteventime> Worked out-of-the-box
[06:19] <Moopere> noteventime: I usually find that the script under /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/examples/install-css.sh works pretty well to grab a copy of libdvdcss2
[06:19] <Ryoga85> noteventime: can you check your xorg.conf file if there is sth like "RenderAccel"?
[06:19] <noteventime> ohh, didn't know that
[06:19] <Moopere> tho sometimes the site it busy (or down)
[06:20] <noteventime> Ryoga85, I'll pastebin my whole xorg.conf
[06:20] <cueno> noteventime thx
[06:20] <Moopere> Ryoga85: what r your glxgears numbers?
[06:21] <noteventime> !pastebin
[06:21] <ubotu> from memory, pastebin is http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/, a site for pasting long texts so you don't disrupt the channel - or install webboard in Gnome: http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=1269
[06:21] <Ryoga85> Moopere: where do I know that from?
[06:21] <noteventime> Ryoga85, glxgears -printfps
[06:22] <noteventime> Ryoga85, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/13152
[06:22] <Moopere> Ryoga85: its not a very good benchmark, in fact, its no benchmark at all - but it can give you a 'feel' for whether or not your card is performing
[06:23] <Ryoga85> 1254 frames in 5.4 seconds = 231.196 FPS
[06:23] <noteventime> Ryoga85, OK, i get 1200 FPS :D
[06:23] <Moopere> I've got a geforce4 440 go here (old old old NV17) getting 1600-1700fps
[06:24] <noteventime> I got an old gf2 mx 440 performing better :D
[06:24] <Ryoga85> so you see there is really a problem *lol*
[06:24] <noteventime> Ryoga85, Take a look in the xorg.conf i postec
[06:24] <apokryphos> just fine ;-)
[06:24] <Moopere> noteventime: ya, this 'go' chip is in the lappy - they are not quick
[06:24] <noteventime> Moopere, In windows I got rather good performance ;)
[06:24] <Ryoga85> noteventime: how do I find it?
[06:25] <Moopere> Ryoga85: nope, sounds about right - what are you getting noteventime with your 915 ... about 1300-1400?
[06:25] <noteventime> Could play Dungeons and dragons online with good fps
[06:25] <Moopere> noteventime: Ya, with this 440 go I can play my beloved WoW no problems
[06:25] <noteventime> Moopere, 1200 - 1300 fps
[06:25] <Moopere> Ryoga85: There ya go - noteventime is getting about the same as you
[06:26] <noteventime> no he gor 200 fps
[06:26] <Ryoga85> yes 200
[06:26] <Ryoga85> but
[06:26] <Moopere> oops
[06:26] <Ryoga85> in my opinion it looked like around 2 to 5
[06:26] <Moopere> I thought you say 1200 - sorry
[06:26] <noteventime> Ryoga85, Read a few lines up ;) "Ryoga85, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/13152"
[06:26] <vge> 600+ is good enough
[06:27] <Ryoga85> oh, sorry, I missed it
[06:27] <Moopere> Ryoga85: what chip you got again?  915/945?
[06:27] <Ryoga85> Moopere: 915
[06:28] <Moopere> Ryoga85: should be faster than my 845 - I'll go find my other lappy
[06:28] <qua> so.. my APT went tits up just now
[06:28] <qua> how can i repair the damage done ?
[06:28] <qua> it gives me an error-message : Malformed line 40 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (dist parse)
[06:28] <noteventime> Ryoga85, Did you take a look at the xorg config
[06:29] <apokryphos> qua: check line 40 of that file then
[06:29] <qua> and runnign sudo apt-setup won't help
[06:29] <Ryoga85> *mom*
[06:29] <qua> i can't edit the bloody thing :(
[06:29] <Ryoga85> 1000ppl talking to me at once...
[06:29] <noteventime> :D
[06:29] <noteventime> thats how helpfull the community is
[06:29] <apokryphos> qua: you need root powers of course
[06:29] <noteventime> ;)
[06:29] <apokryphos> it's in /etc
[06:30] <qua> The document could not be saved, as it was not possible to write to file:///etc/apt/sources.list.
[06:30] <qua> Check that you have write access to this file or that enough disk space is available.
[06:31] <qua> that's what i get after trying to save the file after editing
[06:31] <qua> how can i check my rights into the system ?
[06:31] <noteventime> qua, Did you edit as root
[06:32] <apokryphos> qua: I just told you what to do
[06:32] <apokryphos> qua: /msg ubotu root     ....to find out about root in linux
[06:32] <apokryphos> qua: you'll want to edit the file with alt+f2 -> kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:32] <stargater> hi
[06:32] <apokryphos> hi stargater =)
[06:33] <qua> ok, i'll try that
[06:34] <stargater> hi apokryphos
[06:34] <qua> yes ! thanks a million, mate apokryphos  :D
[06:34] <Moopere> Ryoga85: you there?
[06:34] <Ryoga85> no
[06:34] <Ryoga85> *lol*
[06:35] <qua> poor wording aside, thanks for the help
[06:35] <qua> heh
[06:35] <Ryoga85> sory, my cousin tries to set up kubuntu too
[06:35] <Moopere> Ryoga85: I found my other lappy
[06:35] <Ryoga85> but he needs wlan and misses the ndiswrapper :/
[06:35] <Moopere> what u get when you type glxinfo | grep rendering
[06:35] <Ryoga85> Moopere: cool (and now?)
[06:35] <stargater> is this a user chan. ore developer chan. ?
[06:35] <stargater> -e
[06:35] <Ryoga85> wolfram@liam:~$ glxinfo | grep rendering
[06:35] <Ryoga85> direct rendering: No
[06:36] <Moopere> Ryoga85: ok, I get get Yes on my 845 intel, so the answer has to be in xorg.conf
[06:36] <TheUni> anyone had any problems installing b2? the cd boots and runs, but when i click "install", i get 1 screen then it crashes.
[06:36] <phasegen> stargater: a little of both, but more user than anything
[06:36] <noteventime> Ryoga85, Did you find anything in my xorg.conf?
[06:36] <qua> !easysources
[06:36] <ubotu> Huh? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, qua
[06:36] <qua> erm.. heh
[06:36] <Ryoga85> noteventime: not yet because i had no time to open it...
[06:37] <apokryphos> stargater: it's a channel for support in Kubuntu
[06:37] <Moopere> Ryoga85: you got xorg.conf open now?
[06:37] <noteventime> Ryoga, tell your cousin to install knetworkmanager
[06:37] <noteventime> Ryoga85, tell your cousin to install knetworkmanager
[06:37] <noteventime> It's the best thing ever :D
[06:38] <Ryoga85> noteventime: but he needs ndiswrapper first
[06:38] <qualus> !repositories
[06:38] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[06:39] <noteventime> Ryoga85, What card is he using?
[06:39] <phasegen> Is there a good 3D driver for for an i810/i845 out there somewhere???
[06:40] <Moopere> phasegen: No - talk to Ryoga85 about that :)))
[06:40] <phasegen> hahahaha  thank you...
[06:40] <phasegen> my laptop is almost obsolete then...
[06:40] <Moopere> phasegen: seriously tho - what numbers are u getting from glxgears?
[06:41] <Moopere> Ryoga85: got xorg.conf open yet?
[06:41] <phasegen> I haven't even tried...   I haven't put a game on it since year before last...
[06:41] <Ryoga85> yes
[06:41] <Ryoga85> but i see no real difference
[06:42] <Moopere> Ryoga85: under Section "Module" make sure that Load "dri" is there
[06:42] <Ryoga85> noteventime: belkine wireles desktop network card
[06:42] <noteventime> same modules loaded?
[06:42] <noteventime> Ryoga85, Ok dunno about that one
[06:42] <Moopere> Ryoga85: and also Load "GLcore"
[06:43] <Ryoga85> GLcore is
[06:43] <Ryoga85> glx is
[06:43] <Ryoga85> but dri was missing!!
[06:43] <Moopere> Ryoga85: you need dri as well
[06:43] <Moopere> aha
[06:43] <Moopere> Ryoga85: also, under Section "Device" make sure driver is "i810"
[06:44] <Moopere> Ryoga85: at the end of the file check Section "DRI"
[06:44] <Moopere> there should be a line Mode 666
[06:44] <Moopere> if not, dri won't work
[06:44] <Ryoga85> Section "DRI"
[06:44] <Ryoga85>   Mode 0666
[06:44] <Ryoga85> EndSection
[06:44] <Ryoga85> that?
[06:45] <phasegen> I'm about to dump ubuntu and put kubuntu on my desktop.  I'm dual booting with XP.  Any cautionary notes?  It's going to be a complete wipe and redo.
[06:45] <Moopere> Ryoga85: also, the user you are logged in as must have right to use video acceleration
[06:45] <Moopere> Ryoga85: yep, that
[06:45] <Moopere> phasegen: yeah, get ready for a serious performance increase
[06:46] <phasegen> excellent
[06:46] <tomplast> hi people, can anyone help me with getting any media plugin to work in konqueror?
[06:46] <noteventime> :) The new espresso installer is cool
[06:46] <Ryoga85> Moopere: how can I make sure to have that right?
[06:46] <stargater> apokryphos:  ok thx for the info
[06:46] <tomplast> i have tried with mplayer and kmplayer-konq-plugins :/
[06:46] <noteventime> tomplast, hejsan :)
[06:46] <tomplast> noteventime: tjena :)
[06:47] <noteventime> tomplast, Try the kaffeine plugin
[06:47] <tomplast> noteventime: you mean krasheine?
[06:47] <noteventime> kaffeine-mozilla, should work for konqueror
[06:47] <Moopere> Ryoga85: type groups *username* replacing *username* with your username obviously
[06:47] <tomplast> noteven: its unstable
[06:48] <noteventime> They both use the same plugin system AFAIK
[06:48] <Moopere> Ryoga85: one of the groups your user should be part of is video
[06:48] <noteventime> tomplast, kaffeine-mozilla?
[06:48] <Ryoga85> yes
[06:48] <Ryoga85> i'm member of group video
[06:48] <Ryoga85> ok
[06:48] <noteventime> Ryoga85, now restart the xserver
[06:48] <noteventime> ;D
[06:48] <Moopere> Ryoga85: good - you now need to restart X (ctl-alt-bkspace)
[06:49] <try_it_over> hey... i have ubuntu 5.10 installed, how can i have the latest kde installed on my system?
[06:49] <Moopere> oop
[06:49] <Moopere> that would be ryoga85 rebooting
[06:49] <noteventime> try_it_over, info at www.kubuntu.org
[06:49] <Moopere> try_it_over: go to kubuntu.org I think they have 3.5.2 available for breezy
[06:50] <try_it_over> but,  can i use kubuntu packages on ubuntu?
[06:50] <Moopere> noteventime: by the way, I'm only getting around 400fps on glxgears with my intel 845 (yuk!)
[06:50] <noteventime> try_it_over, install kubuntu-desktop
[06:51] <try_it_over> nice
[06:51] <noteventime> Moopere, :( thats bad
[06:51] <Ryoga85> yeah!
[06:51] <noteventime> Ryoga85 wb
[06:51] <Ryoga85> it works!
[06:51] <noteventime> nice
[06:51] <Ryoga85> tyvvvvvm guys
[06:51] <try_it_over> ;-) thx very very very very very much for your support
[06:51] <Moopere> wheeeeee
[06:51] <noxs> hi all
[06:51] <noteventime> np :D
[06:51] <noxs> nice to use kubuntu....!
[06:51] <noteventime> 'ello noxs
[06:51] <Moopere> whats your fps now Ryoga85???
[06:51] <iNiku> hmm. I just did an apt-get upgrade and now the panel has disappeared
[06:51] <noteventime> Ryogar85, 1200?
[06:51] <Ryoga85> Moopere: I was about to check...
[06:52] <iNiku> is that supposed to happen?
[06:52] <Ryoga85> 5681 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1136.108 FPS
[06:52] <noteventime> Ok ppl, I gtg now
[06:52] <noteventime> bye
[06:52] <Moopere> Ryoga85: yep, sounds about right - good stuff
[06:52] <noxs> is there any easy way to use thunderbird with an local spamfilter like bayesian filter (spampal in windows e.g)?
[06:52] <Moopere> noteventime: ciao
[06:52] <tomplast> noteventime: from my own and other people's experience you should avoid kaffeine-mozilla, its a crashers paradise
[06:53] <noxs> the spamfilter setup should be very simple....not too complex with procmail and, and and...
[06:53] <noteventime> tomplast, ok :D works ok here. Barely used it though
[06:53] <tomplast> noteventime: so I don't assume you have no concret solution?
[06:53] <noxs> it should work fast..
[06:53] <Moopere> Ryoga85: u should know, my intel 845 suffers only 400fps _with_ dri haha
[06:53] <tomplast> noteventime: exactly, how can you tell something if you dont know :p
[06:53] <noteventime> tomplast, Thats what i use, so i guess no
[06:54] <tomplast> noteventime: k, thanks anyway
[06:54] <noteventime> :D bye
[06:54] <tomplast> noteventime: are you leaving?
[06:54] <Ryoga85> hehe Moopere
[06:54] <noteventime> tomplast, Yes, going to dinner at my grand parent
[06:54] <noteventime> s
[06:55] <tomplast> noteventime: oki, t frsiktigt s att du inte brnner dig p tungan :P
[06:55] <noteventime> tomplast, Sjlvklart :D
[06:56] <Ryoga85> bye noteventime|away
[06:56] <iNiku> the panel appears briefly when I log in, then goes away
[06:56] <iNiku> any ideas?
[06:59] <GliderMike> Hi all, what's happening today?
[06:59] <iNiku> ahh. never mind :D
[07:00] <Ryoga85> does anyone know how to install unreal tournament on linux?
[07:01] <Moopere> iNiku: I usually just delete my ~/.kde directory when/if beta kde starts going weird on me
[07:01] <GliderMike> Ryoga, I did, what seems to be the trouble?
[07:02] <iNiku> Moopere, it wasn't anything that complicated, I'm afraid
[07:02] <iNiku> I'm just new to kde. always used just a window manager until now
[07:02] <Ryoga85> GliderMike: nvm, my brother has my CD so I can't try now
[07:02] <TheUni> is the text-mode install automated? or do i have to do it manually?
[07:02] <Ryoga85> lol
[07:03] <Ryoga85> or has it my cousin?
[07:03] <iNiku> hmm, I'm getting tons of these in .xsession-errors:
[07:03] <iNiku> kbluetoothd: HciSocket::open()
[07:03] <iNiku> kbluetoothd: Bind failed: No such device
[07:03] <GliderMike> well yep, that would be the first dependency :-)
[07:03] <iNiku> wonder why it's doing that...
[07:03] <GliderMike> I believe it was as simple as mount the cd and run ./linux_installer
[07:04] <GliderMike> or ./installer_linux , can't remember which
[07:04] <Moopere> iNiku: I don't know - I don't have bluetooth on my lappy
[07:05] <Moopere> iNiku: so for me I only get one error - no bluetooth, then it moves on
[07:05] <Ryoga85> hm, my bluetooth usb stick works
[07:05] <Moopere> iNiku: but I doubt some weird bluetooth errors are causing your panel to dissappear
[07:06] <iNiku> Moopere, that's the weird part, I don't either. I have a USB bluetooth dongle that I use occassionally but it's not connected now, and has not been connected since I rebooted the laptop
[07:06] <iNiku> but I have a feeling something is remembering the bluetooth dongle that isn't connected now and that's causing the errors
[07:06] <Moopere> iNiku: its probably polling something to see if it reappears - but I wouldn't worry aboujt it
[07:07] <iNiku> heh, no. the panel disappeared because I had hiding enabled and in the new kde version the default unhide sport is the bottom left corner, which I didn't realize :P
[07:07] <Moopere> iNiku: :)))
[07:07] <TheUni> how can i upgrade from flight6 to beta2?
[07:07] <iNiku> well, it sucks because it does it every couple of seconds and it's creating a lot of output
[07:07] <iNiku> and disk I/O, which kind of sucks on a laptop
[07:07] <Moopere> iNiku: I wouldn't worry about the bluetooth errors
[07:08] <Moopere> iNiku: how much output?  I had a firewall get attacked the other day which created a 3.5GB logfile in a few hours
[07:08] <iNiku> not that much, but then, this is just a lowly laptop
[07:09] <iNiku> and I don't like extraneous output because it tends to cause the HD to spin up
[07:09] <Moopere> iNiku: it was almost a DOS because my root almost ran out of space (silly me)
[07:09] <noxs> does nobody of you uses a spamfilter?
[07:09] <iNiku> ugh, you shouldn't configure a firewall to log into /
[07:09] <Moopere> iNiku: if it really bothers you just soft link .xsession-errors to /dev/nul
[07:09] <noxs> or how do you get rid of spammails?
[07:10] <iNiku> well, .xsession-errors is useful
[07:10] <temifowl> Anyone know why, when trying to "make" xmms it cant find the command
[07:10] <iNiku> I just don't like the bluetooth thingy spamming it
[07:10] <Moopere> iNiku: ha, yes, you are right about / and logs :))  My own fault
[07:10] <Ryoga85> temifowl: you need to get make first
[07:10] <temifowl> how?
[07:10] <iNiku> oh well
[07:10] <vge> !build-essentials
[07:10] <ubotu> vge: I give up. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[07:10] <GliderMike> temifowl, apt-get build-essential
[07:10] <temifowl> thanks
[07:10] <GliderMike> oops, make that apt-get install build-essential
[07:10] <aman> how can i log in as root ?
[07:10] <temifowl> lol
[07:11] <vge> aman: you dont need to
[07:11] <aman> vge: i need :(
[07:11] <aman> i used vector linux, just install kubuntu, but
[07:11] <iNiku> use sudo
[07:12] <temifowl> GliderMike, it saus checking wether make setes $(MAKE)... no
[07:12] <vge> use "sudo vi text.txt" would open text file with root rights
[07:12] <aman> for my thesis, i need use some kernel programing.
[07:12] <GliderMike> aman, assign root a password then you can log in as root.
[07:12] <Moopere> aman: sudo passwd root
[07:12] <GliderMike> you may also have to change GDM to allow root login if you are using it
[07:13] <aman> how can i compile as root ?
[07:13] <Moopere> aman: log in as root, then compile (:?????)
[07:14] <aman> Mooper: sudo passwd root -- does not work
[07:14] <iNiku> aman, what does it say?
[07:14] <Moopere> aman: it does..did you enter your sudo users password first?
[07:15] <aman> Mooper: means ?
[07:15] <aman> i enterer sudo first
[07:15] <aman> then it shows the usage
[07:15] <Moopere> when you installed you got to set up a user, this is a special user in ubuntu, it has sudo rights
[07:15] <aman> if i enter sudo password root - then it says no command found as 'passwd'
[07:16] <aman> i just installed kubuntu.
[07:16] <aman> i setup a user name 'aman'
[07:16] <Moopere> so you enter sudo passwd root and the first thing it does is ask for password right?
[07:16] <temifowl> yo GliderMike, its telling me make doesnt exist
[07:16] <Ryoga85> GliderMike: pff @ me asking around who my ut cd has while it lays right beneath my laptop...
[07:17] <aman> mooper :no
[07:17] <Ryoga85> *who has...
[07:17] <aman> mooper: sudo: 12345678: command not found
[07:17] <HymnToLife> aman> why do you want to sudo passwd root anyway ?
[07:17] <iNiku> aman, what exactly is the command you typed=
[07:17] <iNiku> ?
[07:18] <temifowl> Anyone, im getting a make command not found, after running configure for xmms, anyone got ideas?
[07:18] <aman> iNiku: $sudo 12345678 root
[07:18] <Moopere> HymnToLife: because of need to log in as root
[07:18] <HymnToLife> !tell temifowl about b-e
[07:18] <iNiku> aman, uh, not like that
[07:18] <iNiku> sudo passwd root
[07:18] <iNiku> literally
[07:18] <iNiku> passwd is a command that you use to set someone's password
[07:18] <iNiku> it will ask you for the password
[07:18] <temifowl> hymntolife, when i run that it says no lol
[07:19] <iNiku> and 12345678 is not a very good password.
[07:19] <aman> iNiku: such a fool i am...tryin
[07:19] <HymnToLife> temifowl> what exactly do you get when runing sudo apt-get install build-essential ?
[07:20] <aman> iNiku,Moopere,*: thank you all...its a really great experience here.
[07:20] <Moopere> aman: Yeah, its all good - plenty of good ppl giving help
[07:20] <temifowl> hymntolife, apperently it was wrong, its working now :P
[07:20] <temifowl> i was wrong*
[07:21] <temifowl> thanks :P
[07:21] <Yon> hey all
[07:21] <aman> Moopere: yea :D
[07:21] <Moopere> Hey Yon, hows it hanging?
[07:22] <Yon> i am trying to install micromedia flash for mozila firefox, i got the install... its says its scriped baced and cant be installed on GUI..do i need to dl another install or can i install this through shell?
[07:22] <Yon> down and to the left ;)
[07:22] <Yon> wat bout u?
[07:23] <LeeJunFan> !flash
[07:23] <ubotu> Installation & troubleshooting for Flash is covered in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[07:23] <Yon> !flash
[07:23] <Yon> oh lol
[07:24] <Yon> and wen i try dling it auto thru firefox, it never dls
[07:24] <Moopere> Yon: I've found macromedia site is not always alive
[07:24] <Moopere> try next day and it works (!)
[07:24] <Yon> yeah... i tryed yesterday also
[07:25] <Yon> same thing.. :/
[07:25] <Yon> but wat i have can i install thru konsol?
[07:25] <Moopere> Yon: I always install from a VT, seems to work.
[07:25] <iNiku> so guys... how do you deal with the gcc mess?
[07:25] <aljoshanl> could someone help me with encoding an entire dir with LAME ? im tring this but doesnt work lame -b 64 --mp3input *.mp3 out/
[07:25] <iNiku> the ubuntu kernels are compiled with gcc 3.4
[07:26] <iNiku> so if you want to compile kernel modules, you need to use gcc 3.4
[07:26] <iNiku> but the installer gives you 4.0
[07:26] <Moopere> iNiku: are you sure?  I thought that was for breezy only?
[07:26] <iNiku> yeah, I'm using breezy
[07:27] <Moopere> iNiku: Oh - I never liked breezy a lot.  I sorta stayed on Hoary, then jumped into Dapper
[07:27] <Yon> wats a VT?
[07:27] <aljoshanl> Vrije Tekening?
[07:27] <iNiku> how stable is Dapper?
[07:27] <Moopere> Yon: Virtual Terminal - ie, ctl-alt-F1
[07:27] <aljoshanl> stable for me
[07:27] <iNiku> I wanted an easy linux installation experience for once
[07:27] <iNiku> been using plain old debian for years
[07:27] <Moopere> iNiku: its been really good for months - really quite nice and stable
[07:27] <aman> iNiku: gcc4.0 will now work for compiling kernel module ?
[07:27] <aljoshanl> Then try it
[07:27] <iNiku> aman, no, if your kernel has been compiled with a different gcc version
[07:28] <iNiku> how well does the upgrade from breezy to dapper work?
[07:28] <Moopere> iNiku: just watch out for the occasional bitey kernel build - we had one about a week ago
[07:28] <iNiku> just a matter of apt-get dist-upgrade?
[07:28] <aman> iNiku:i am new in kernel module, i just installed kubuntu,
[07:28] <Moopere> iNiku: I always keep a nice safe i386 -old- kernel version on the disk for when the newest and greates is borked
[07:29] <iNiku> heh, good idea probably. I'm a bit new to the kernel package thing, always compiled my own before
[07:29] <iNiku> but I kinda wanted to see how good modern linux distro works
[07:29] <Moopere> iNiku: I was big into
[07:29] <iNiku> and I had to install something after the HD on my laptop died :/
[07:30] <aman> then, i should compile a kernel first for my tests ?
[07:30] <Moopere> iNiku: Debian for many years, but almost never use now - since warty
[07:30] <iNiku> aman, or get a compiler version that is compatible with your kernel
[07:30] <iNiku> do you have breezy?
[07:30] <Moopere> iNiku: Its got most of the debian goodness but it -just works- for the most part
[07:31] <iNiku> Moopere, debian is sorta nice, the installation on my desktop box is like 5 years old, if not more
[07:31] <iNiku> never had a reason to reinstall, just did apt-get upgrades every now and then
[07:31] <Moopere> mind you I got a bit burned with breezy - there were a few too many broken packages
[07:31] <stargater> whow can 5.10 kubuntu update to dapper
[07:32] <Moopere> iNiku: apt-get....its why we all love debian :)))
[07:32] <iNiku> but it has collected quite a bit of crud over the years, I might just install kubuntu or something on it if this works out fine
[07:32] <olaff> how do i install the codecs for kafeeine?
[07:32] <iNiku> but, yeah. how well does the apt-get upgrade from breezy to dapper work?
[07:33] <Moopere> iNiku: right now its a bit bumpy - be careful.  I've done it successfully for the most part, but have also had a couple of machines go down too
[07:33] <iNiku> where did it break?
[07:33] <Yon> LOL, i feel like the biggest idiot ever :P i press ctrl + alt + F1, get into that console thingy, then donno how to get out.. :/
[07:33] <iNiku> I might just run breezy on the laptop for now, install dapper on the desktop at some point and then upgrade the laptop
[07:33] <Moopere> iNiku: I had two machines refuse to boot (that was durinng bad kernel week tho)
[07:34] <Yon> im reli new to linux as u can c
[07:34] <iNiku> Yon, it's the other way around :)
[07:34] <Moopere> Yon: alt f7
[07:34] <Yon> right, thanks
[07:34] <iNiku> you just got out of X into a console, now you want to get back... X runs on "virtual terminal" 7 by default, so yeah, alt f7
[07:35] <saaida> hi there. i have xubuntu, and have a partiton of 20 Gb of fat32 . it is /dev/hda4 . i created in my home a mounting point ( folder with name driveE ) what is the command for mounting it so i can use it in linux ?
[07:35] <iNiku> Moopere, okay. I'll have to see about that.
[07:35] <Moopere> Yon: want to blow you mind?  You can also run X on VT8, VT9 etc etc - if you're coming from Windows this will put a big grin on your face :)))))
[07:35] <olaff> !codecs
[07:35] <ubotu> Binary only codecs (such as w32codecs) can be downloaded from plf or cipherfunk, see !easysource for details on these repositories
[07:35] <olaff> !easysource
[07:35] <ubotu> For an easy to use custom sources.list creator, visit http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[07:36] <iNiku> so far I'm mostly happy with breezy, although ther eare some things under the hood that are surprisingly ugly...
[07:36] <iNiku> or just not there by default
[07:37] <Moopere> iNiku: Yes, I agree.  I think the devs really stuggled with the gcc4 transition - ate a lot of their time.  Dapper is a huge step forward in polish and general non-broken stuff
[07:37] <Yon> .... wats the diffrence between the diffrent VT's?
[07:37] <iNiku> sounds nice... are Dapper live/install dvd images available somewhere?
[07:37] <Moopere> Yon: nothing, they are just for your use.  You can do so much at the same time eh??
[07:37] <Moopere> !livecd
[07:38] <iNiku> I figured breezy might be better finished at this point
[07:38] <Yon> oh! thats so awsome!
[07:38] <Yon> i get it...
[07:38] <wojjan> do youi know any polish servers??
[07:38] <vge> hmm, how come konqueror dont follow alt+left and alt+right as they are set for back and forward in iwheels for my mouse?
[07:38] <iNiku> but maybe I should check dapper out. it's not like I haven't run testing/unstable before :)
[07:38] <Yon> ok, so now wen im in VT how do i install flash?
[07:39] <Moopere> iNiku: Its so much better than breezy that I justed started using my 'unstable' machines all the time and the breezy ones started getting dusty
[07:39] <iNiku> Yon, why do it in a VT? you can use a terminal window in X, too
[07:39] <Yon> u mean konsole?
[07:39] <iNiku> Moopere, what are the big differenves then?
[07:39] <iNiku> konsole or xterm
[07:39] <iNiku> differences*
[07:40] <olaff> i just installed kubuntu and i cant see videos and hear mp3
[07:40] <iNiku> Yon, anyway, it doesn't really matter. you need to get the flash package, untar it and run the installer
[07:40] <iNiku> as root
[07:40] <aljoshanl> I want to downsample a dir of mp3s, but it doesnt work, im trying this commadn: lame -b 64 --mp3input *.mp3 out/
[07:40] <Moopere> iNiku: Nothing that -new- but mostly everything works, which was not always the case with breezy I found.  Although I did find both gnome and kde a -lot- quicker under dapper than breezy - breezy feels sluggish in comparison
[07:41] <iNiku> Moopere, that does sound like a selling point, breezy is definitely not that "breezy" on a slowish laptop
[07:41] <iNiku> but I assumed it's just kde
[07:41] <Moopere> iNiku: There really is a significant difference in boot speed for example
[07:41] <iNiku> I've never really used kde before
[07:41] <Yon> iNiku, i did that, and read the readme, its says that its script-baced and cant be installed on a GUI.. now i think that means that i just have to install it in konsole, and it will work...
[07:42] <iNiku> Yon, it means you can't install it by clicking around with your mouse
[07:42] <iNiku> you need to get to a terminal and run the installer that way
[07:42] <iNiku> Moopere, that would be nice. breezy takes ages to boot on this laptop
[07:43] <olaff> ty
[07:43] <Moopere> iNiku: Yep - you will love Dapper for boot speed, even on older machines
[07:43] <iNiku> soo... does it work the debian way? just change sources.list to point to dapper, then do an apt-get dist-upgrade?
[07:43] <Moopere> iNiku: but across the board, most stuff feels a lot quicker to me.  I think RAM usage is down in general
[07:44] <Moopere> iNiku: Yep, its the same.  do a dist-upgrade and you're done
[07:44] <iNiku> hmm.
[07:44] <iNiku> I'm tempted.
[07:44] <Moopere> iNiku: Just watch for the bitey kernels :))
[07:45] <Yon> iNiku, so that means i cant use konsole?
[07:45] <iNiku> Yon, no, you can definitely use konsole
[07:45] <Moopere> iNiku: using 2.6.15-21-686 right now, seems like a good one.
[07:45] <iNiku> for most purposes it doesn't matter whether it's a VT, konsole or xterm
[07:45] <iNiku> the point is, you need to be in the shell
[07:46] <iNiku> well. I've just about managed to get this breezy installation usable so maybe it's time to break things all over again
[07:46] <iNiku> what better way to spend your weekend :P
[07:47] <iNiku> so... all the apt paths are the same, just replace breezy with dapper?
[07:47] <Moopere> iNiku: yep
[07:47] <iNiku> is there a howto or something for the breezy to dapper upgrade?
[07:48] <Yon> lol, how do u go back a dir, cd.. doesnt work :/
[07:48] <iNiku> cd ..
[07:48] <Yon> oh theres a space, thanks
[07:48] <Moopere> iNiku: I don't think so yet - we're in beta after all.  There always is for the official releases tho
[07:49] <LeeJunFan> Yon: cd - will take you back to the last dir you were in as well.
[07:49] <Yon> LeeJunFan, k, thanks :)\
[07:50] <soulfreshner> where is kde's equivalent of .gnomerc?
[07:50] <xwolf-> kderc? xP
[07:51] <iNiku> Moopere, okay. I'm gonna blame you for this.
[07:51] <soulfreshner> xwolf- : would've been my guess, but is it right?
[07:51] <iNiku> all the lost time and gray hairs...
[07:52] <xwolf-> can you find it there? if yes, it's probably right
[07:52] <xwolf-> i have no idea
[07:52] <soulfreshner> nope it doesn't exist...
[07:52] <soulfreshner> but neither did gnomerc before I created it :/
[07:53] <Moopere> iNiku: You'll thank me :))
[07:53] <LeeJunFan> soulfreshner: what is it you want to do?
[07:53] <Moopere> iNiku: if u know your way around debian (and it sounds like you do) you almost certainly won't get into any big trouble
[07:53] <soulfreshner> LeeJunFan: I had xgl working fine in know - and it looks like it works in kde as well - I just can't find the file it uses for startup
[07:54] <soulfreshner> know = gnome
[07:56] <soulfreshner> testing Xsession
[07:57] <Yon> iNiku, how long u been working with linux?
[07:57] <iNiku> Moopere, well, I'm not afraid of linux problems, I've been doing this since some very early Slackware version in 1995 or so
[07:57] <olaff> !automatix
[07:57] <ubotu> I guess automatix is unsafe, it overwrites configuration files, and does things like "echo -e 'y\nY\n'" that are considered risky. Please do not use it. There are alternative applications, such as !easyubuntu.
[07:58] <olaff> !easyubuntu
[07:58] <ubotu> easyubuntu is an easy-to-use program for installing all your favorites. Java, Nvidia/ATI, and more. It is as safe as the team can make it. It doesn't change any settings by default. http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/ or #easyubuntu
[07:58] <iNiku> I'm just too old to spend hours tweaking an installation... would be nice to get something for a change that Just Works (tm)
[07:58] <juliano> how do i upgrade to dapper?
[07:58] <iNiku> unfortunately, I guess there is no such thing :)
[07:58] <iNiku> Yon, a little over 10 years I guess, why?
[07:59] <Yon> heh, well u seem to know ur way around, wondering how long it takes.. i just started
[08:00] <Moopere> Yon: if your dedicated you will know your way around within 3 months.  After that its all about fine tunig your knowledge of specific things
[08:00] <electricbluejase> hey
[08:00] <LeeJunFan> yeah, just remember man is your friend.
[08:00] <iNiku> Yon, I've been using Linux on my home systems since 1995 but I'm totally at a loss when it comes to the new distros and their ways of doing things
[08:01] <iNiku> been working with other unix variants professionally for years but not too much linux there
[08:01] <Moopere> Yon: one piece of advice - learn vi, really, I'm serious - you will find a vi editor varient on every unix ever made
[08:02] <Yon> Moopere, yeah, but kubuntu is so much like windows, a lil more complicated, and i know none of the comands in shell, so im thinking of starting debian
[08:02] <Yon> wats vi?
[08:02] <iNiku> it's an editor
[08:02] <iNiku> with a somewhat less than intuitive user interface
[08:02] <iNiku> but it's small and quick and standard on every unix variant
[08:03] <iNiku> Yon, kubuntu is debian + lots of work to make things work more comfortably
[08:03] <LeeJunFan> Yon: kubuntu is the same as debian basically except for newer packages.
[08:03] <iNiku> debian is very fundamentalistic.
[08:03] <renato> I don't recommend migrating from kubuntu to debian
[08:03] <Ryoga85> how to use a bluetooth modem with Kubuntu?
[08:03] <LeeJunFan> Yon: honestly I'd say stick with kubuntu, if you regress too far into a hacker-type linux you'll get frustrated with it.
[08:03] <Yon> exactly, i need to learn from the fundemental, coz im not reli learning alot
[08:03] <iNiku> debian works if you know what you're doing but it can be a pain in the ass.
[08:04] <Yon> ye, i heard that alot
[08:04] <Yon> thats the only reson i havent done it already
[08:04] <renato> don't
[08:04] <LeeJunFan> Yon: you can't make yourself learn just to learn, you need to learn how to accomplish tasks as you need them.
[08:05] <olaff> !easykubuntu
[08:05] <ubotu> What? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, olaff
[08:05] <Moopere> I actually started with suse, another ubuntu-like distro (ie, it just works) then moved on to deiban when I got sick of being in RPM hell (don't ask)
[08:05] <iNiku> and speaking of fundamentalism, what's the point of using gcj as the default JRE on a distribution?
[08:05] <LeeJunFan> Yon: as you learn specific tasks the rest of the little stuff just fills itself in between.
[08:05] <Yon> yeah, and everything is aleredy done with kubuntu, instead of me learning how to do it... u know wat im saying
[08:05] <iNiku> Yon, not really
[08:05] <renato> the debian manual is excellent and since kubuntu is based on debian...
[08:05] <iNiku> you still have the freedom to do whatever you want
[08:05] <renato> but don't go back, just don't
[08:06] <iNiku> it's just that you don't have to spend weeks to get your system into an usable state
[08:06] <LeeJunFan> I think the first thing I learned on linux was radius, then DNS, then sendmail [yuk] .
[08:06] <iNiku> sendmail rewrite rules used to be fun
[08:06] <Moopere> sendmail......arrrggghhhhhhhhhhh
[08:06] <Yon> hmm, ok lol, ill stick to kubuntu
[08:07] <iNiku> soo... no answer to my gcj question :)
[08:07] <PaloDeQueso> Is there a bug with knetworkmanager where you can't use 104bit hex keys?
[08:07] <Yon> can u copy from fat32 in linux? NTFS doesnt work? im about to format a partiction.. so i need to know
[08:08] <LeeJunFan> As an example of going into a lesser system, I remember my first experience with unix being openbsd, I got soo pissed, I thought it was an outdated pos. When I finally tried a linux a couple years later that actually was usable from install my views changed.
[08:08] <iNiku> Moopere, my interest is limited to whether stuff works or not
[08:08] <iNiku> and with gcj, it doesn't
[08:08] <Moopere> ha
[08:09] <iNiku> LeeJunFan, I believe that's still true of openbsd :)
[08:09] <LeeJunFan> No I've been using linux exclusively for about 8 yrs.
[08:10] <LeeJunFan> iNiku: you're probably right.
[08:10] <LeeJunFan> s/No/Now
[08:11] <iNiku> Yon, you do a lot of hacking on windows?
[08:11] <electricbluejase> i been using Kubuntu since breezy, now using dapper atm
[08:11] <LeeJunFan> My learning linux was accelerated though because it became my job during my 2nd year of using it. I was thrown into a job at an ISP where windows wasn't cutting it, and we grew like a weed back in 98.
[08:11] <electricbluejase> cool
[08:11] <iNiku> LeeJunFan: that's always the best way to learn :)
[08:11] <Yon> iNiku, i sorta know the bacics
[08:12] <h3sp4wn> iNku: OpenBSD / FreeBSD have a much less cluttered base system - I prefer it (except when I need support for poor hardware)
[08:12] <Yon> like, telnet, or if they have SP1 only,or stuff like subseven
[08:12] <iNiku> Yon, okay. just wondering... the nice thing about unix used to be that it was actually humanly possible to figure out how everything works
[08:12] <LeeJunFan> iNiku: I agree, being thrown into something like that really helped, and I was encouraged to spend more time playing with linux at work, and had more tasks to learn from than the common home user.
[08:12] <Yon> basics
[08:12] <try_it_over> i use ubuntu 5.10, if i install kubuntu-desktop, what version of kde will be installed?
[08:12] <iNiku> and once you figured it out, you had the possibility of customizing stuff
[08:13] <electricbluejase> probly KDE 3.5 im guessing
[08:13] <Yon> yeah... u need to know lots of coding for that?
[08:13] <electricbluejase> 3.5.2 more than likely
[08:13] <iNiku> today, with kde/gnome and stuff, it's getting more complicated but you still stand a better chance of doing what you want on a unix system than yo do on windows
[08:13] <try_it_over> hummm
[08:14] <try_it_over> i should change repositorys or the ubuntu default ones are ok?
[08:14] <aw> i've installed kubuntu on this laptop, it all seems fine, except that dmesg is absolutely full withy errors related to something trying to read the Cd/Dbd drive, which is empty...how can i fix this? it is a performance hit.
[08:14] <Yon> iNiku, thats why i started linux
[08:14] <iNiku> try_it_over, you should probably enable universe and multiverse.
[08:14] <electricbluejase> yeah
[08:14] <HymnToLife> try_it_over> the default config don't have al the repos enabled
[08:14] <h3sp4wn> You have a better chance of understanding free/openbsd then ubuntu (then switch to ubuntu when you can be bothered understanding / or do understand)
[08:14] <HymnToLife> here's my sources.list if you want : http://fkraiem.no-ip.org/stuff/sources.list
[08:15] <PaloDeQueso> Is there a bug with knetworkmanager where you can't use 104bit hex keys?
[08:15] <electricbluejase> is that for 5.10?
[08:15] <iNiku> h3sp4wn: you have a point, however *bsd can be a rather daunting experience if you know 0 about unix stuff
[08:15] <try_it_over> HymnToLife, what should i do now? i wanna kubuntu installed
[08:16] <aw> if i switch to terminal 1 also (ctrl-alt-f1) it is just logging for the same ncompatible medium installed -- (asc=0x30, ascq=0x00)...
[08:16] <electricbluejase> shouldnt u just #sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop < woulnt that work from ubuntu 5.10?
[08:16] <aw> so, it's just trying to read an unexisting dvd all the time
[08:16] <try_it_over> i want ubuntu 5.10 to become ---> kubuntu, but i need to know witch kde version will be installed
[08:16] <HymnToLife> try_it_over> can you read my PMs ?
[08:16] <electricbluejase> it will most likely install 3.5.2
[08:16] <electricbluejase> (which is the latest)
[08:17] <HymnToLife> electricbluejase> 3.5.2 is on another repo I guess
[08:17] <electricbluejase> oh ok
[08:17] <HymnToLife> the default repos will install 3.5.0
[08:17] <try_it_over> HymnToLife, where? ... please... help me
[08:17] <electricbluejase> well if not that then either 3.4.3 or 3.5.0
[08:17] <olaff> how do i kill a program?
[08:17] <hussam> olaff: killall program
[08:18] <HymnToLife> try_it_over> ok so do this : wget http://fkraiem.no-ip.org/stuff/sources.list
[08:18] <h3sp4wn> HymnToLife: Dapper comes with 3.5.2 (and its configured better) than the 3.5.2 from the kubuntu repos
[08:18] <LeeJunFan> olaff: mind you if you have more than 1 running killall will do as the name implies.
[08:18] <try_it_over> HymnToLife, i need my webcam working, and my only hope is kopete, coz gaim and amsn didnt the job
[08:18] <SAM_theman> hello
[08:18] <Selophane> anyone here figure how to get i915 DRI drivers installed on Breezy? i can't seem to get it to compile
[08:18] <SAM_theman> how i remove kubuntu
[08:18] <HymnToLife> h3sp4wn> For your information, Dapper is beta
[08:18] <SAM_theman> i did kubuntu-desktop and it did one thing
[08:18] <LeeJunFan> try_it_over: are you sure it's supported?
[08:18] <SAM_theman> how i remove everything?
[08:19] <LeeJunFan> try_it_over: ie. linux has drivers that work for it?
[08:19] <electricbluejase> i thought gaim was going to have webcam support soon?
[08:19] <LeeJunFan> I'm using kopete 0.12 from svn, it supports msn and yahoo cam.
[08:20] <electricbluejase> havnt used it in a while though, using kopete 0.12 from svn yeah
[08:20] <h3sp4wn> HymnToLife: Personal choice I suppose but its rock stable for me (and has been for a few months with only once I manually had to fix it)
[08:20] <try_it_over> LeeJunFan, gnome-meeting works fine with my webcam, and gqcam too
[08:20] <iNiku> does kopete do msn file transfers?
[08:20] <electricbluejase> yes
[08:20] <LeeJunFan> try_it_over: okay, kopete should do the trick then.
[08:21] <iNiku> what about upnp?
[08:21] <h3sp4wn> HymnToLife: The 3.5.2 packages at kubuntu are completely unsupported
[08:21] <try_it_over> ooohhhhh, u give me an idea.. i ll install svn kopete on my home folder... lol
[08:21] <Selophane> hmmm, is intel's site down?
[08:21] <electricbluejase> sorry to be a pain or watever, but im going, its 2:21am and i start work in 7 hours, and havnt had much sleep all week
[08:21] <electricbluejase> later
[08:21] <electricbluejase> (i'll be back sometime with same nick..)
[08:21] <LeeJunFan> Selophane: seems to be.
[08:22] <Selophane> LeeJunFan, k, wasn't sure if it was just my connection
[08:24] <LeeJunFan> Selophane: well, now it seems to be up.
[08:27] <TheUni> how can i upgrade kubuntu to beta 2?
[08:28] <vge> change breezy lines in sources.lst to dapper ?
[08:28] <TheUni> makes sense :)
[08:29] <vge> should do the trick
[08:29] <LeeJunFan> TheUni: then of course do apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:29] <TheUni> yup
[08:29] <TheUni> ok, thanks
[08:33] <iNiku> anyone else have trouble with ifrename?
[08:34] <shawn_home> Do we have a gcc 4.1 package for dapper? or know of an unofficial one that will work?
[08:34] <iNiku> uh, what's wrong with 4.0?
[08:34] <shawn_home> distcc wont work with gcc 4.0.x and 4.1?
[08:34] <shawn_home> not compatable?
[08:34] <shawn_home> (or are they?)
[08:35] <shawn_home> I suppose i could throw in debian unstable/testing if they have a package
[08:35] <iNiku> hmm.
[08:36] <h3sp4wn> what are you trying to use distcc for ?
[08:36] <iNiku> you mean it won't work if some boxes have 4.0 and some have 4.2?
[08:36] <iNiku> er, 4.1
[08:36] <shawn_home> unsure, if the ABI is compatable
[08:37] <shawn_home> I suppose to be safe, i can take debian testing and build gcc 4.1 for kubuntu to be safe
[08:37] <SAM_theman> yo
[08:37] <SAM_theman> How i remove kubuntu
[08:37] <vge> !fi
[08:37] <ubotu> Suomenkielinen keskustelu (K)Ubuntusta kanavilla #ubuntu-fi ja #kubuntu-fi
[08:37] <shawn_home> remove? :(
[08:38] <shawn_home> and put.. Windows back?
[08:38] <SAM_theman> no
[08:38] <SAM_theman> i don't like it
[08:38] <SAM_theman> i am on gnome now
[08:38] <iNiku> you mean, remove KDE
[08:38] <TheUni> so you want to remove kde, then?
[08:38] <shawn_home> well, you can install gnome from kubuntu
[08:38] <shawn_home> the two are 'the same' except defaults installed are different
[08:38] <Tm_T> SAM_theman: "sudo apt-get remove kdelibs"
[08:39] <Tm_T> will remove pretty well all KDE related
[08:39] <h3sp4wn> best way is the remove kubuntu-desktop (if you installed it by installing that package)
[08:39] <SAM_theman> Package kdelibs is not installed, so not removed
[08:40] <dvj> h3sp4wn: That would only remove that package, and nothing more
[08:40] <iNiku> SAM_theman: if you're on gnome now, what part of kubuntu are you still seeing?
[08:40] <SAM_theman> i don't see it but i see the applications still here
[08:40] <SAM_theman> like k crap
[08:40] <SAM_theman> k calulator
[08:40] <SAM_theman> k...
[08:40] <iNiku> sudo apt-get remove krap?
[08:41] <iNiku> as in, kalculator, or whatever
[08:41] <TheUni> lol
[08:41] <shawn_home> its not crap :(
[08:41] <h3sp4wn> dvj: If you use aptitude (which you should do) it will remove everything underneath the metapackage
[08:41] <dvj> h3sp4wn: Interesting. That's good to know :)
[08:42] <h3sp4wn> dvj: instead of apt-get install if you just use aptitude install then if you uninstall the same package it will uninstall it with any dependancies that package has installed
[08:42] <SAM_theman> nevermind i found it bye
[08:42] <SAM_theman> After unpacking 317MB disk space will be freed.
[08:43] <shawn_home> KDE isn't crap
[08:43] <TheUni> it's krap  ;)
[08:43] <shawn_home> ha
[08:43] <iNiku> yeah, there's a difference :)
[08:43] <TheUni> i agree though. i'm a kde guy.
[08:44] <TheUni> but that doesnt mean that i think gnome is worthless
[08:44] <iNiku> for what it's worth, I think kde is pretty nice as far as gui stuff goes
[08:44] <iNiku> just a little strange for me. I'm used to configuring my systems by vi
[08:44] <dvj> I think KDE is pretty nice as far as library stuff goes ;)
[08:44] <HymnToLife> but GNOME still has some nice stuff
[08:44] <shawn_home> not to start the religious war of what DE is better, I just disagree with what gnome does/wants to do, and the disoragnization gnome was since I used it back in the 0.99-1.0.x days
[08:44] <HymnToLife> Synaptic is a million times better than Adep for example
[08:45] <shawn_home> not to mention the distaste of some of the developers who ignored suggestions
[08:45] <h3sp4wn> aptitude is better than adept or synaptic
[08:45] <shawn_home> that said, one of the gnome developers is a friend of mine :)
[08:46] <shawn_home> funny how that works
[08:47] <iNiku> well, my dist-upgrade has finished. gonna go reboot now, we'll see what happens :)
[08:48] <shawn_home> iNiku, you'll be glad to see a new distribution updated :)
[08:48] <iNiku> I hope :)
[08:48] <ubuntu-installer> hello, can someone file a bug for me if I drop it into pastebin?
[08:49] <shawn_home> I found a bug in the beta though, one of the dialog boxes has the options 'swapped'  in kubuntu,  the panel settings dialog
[08:51] <ubuntu-installer> http://pastebin.ca/52424 - kubuntu 6.06 b2 installer crash bug...
[08:51] <ubuntu-installer> cheers
[08:54] <shawn_home> building GNU cc 4.1 for kubuntu removed debian's amd64 bit dependencies for 32bit (I dont have a em64t/amd64)
[09:00] <mark---> what's a good netnews reader for Kubuntu?
[09:00] <iNiku> hmm. after a dist-upgrade from breezy to dapper a lot of kde stuff seems to be missing
[09:00] <iNiku> what's the metapackage for all kde stuff again?
[09:01] <iNiku> ah, kubuntu-desktop
[09:02] <iNiku> wonder why dist-upgrade screwed kde up so bad
[09:02] <vge> hmm, should amarok be able to stream asx files?
[09:03] <munzir> Hi, why should apt-get remove kubunt-desktop remove all kde packages? isn't this why metapackages are useful?
[09:03] <psyke83> has anyone here got a Dell Inspiron 8000 laptop?
[09:04] <morrow> !FreeFormats
[09:04] <ubotu> There are a large number of Free Formats which are preferred over patent and copyright encumbered formats. They are listed here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreeFormats
[09:09] <iNiku> did anyone else have apt-get dist-upgrade remove pretty much all of the kde stuff when going from breezy to dapper?
[09:10] <Tm_T> iNiku: sure
[09:10] <iNiku> why?
[09:10] <Tm_T> because you didn't have metapackage keeping kde stuff in
[09:11] <iNiku> and why is that? I had the default kubuntu 5.10 install
[09:11] <Yon> iNiku, can u hack with linux?
[09:11] <Tm_T> iNiku: I have never seen "default install"
[09:11] <iNiku> Yon, hack what?
[09:12] <Tm_T> iNiku: you have installed something before which removed kubuntu-desktop metapackage atleast
[09:12] <Yon> other pc's
[09:12] <iNiku> Tm_T: well, I installed breezy from a dvd two days ago and now did a dist-upgrade to dapper
[09:12] <Tm_T> Yon: hack and crack are totally different thing
[09:13] <iNiku> I definitely did not remove kubuntu-desktop
[09:13] <Tm_T> iNiku: oh well, anyway, that's expectable
[09:13] <iNiku> why?
[09:13] <Tm_T> I just did explain
[09:13] <iNiku> well, why isn't the kubuntu-desktop metapackage installed when you install kubuntu?
[09:13] <Tm_T> and you have to remember, dapper isn't released yet, so you are using it at your own risk
[09:13] <Tm_T> iNiku: usually yes
[09:14] <Tm_T> and naah, I don't really care "why" this happens, it just does, and no reason to "fix" it yet
[09:14] <Yon> yeah... i mean with linux can u get into a pc with windows xp SP2
[09:14] <vge> sure, it's called filesharing
[09:15] <iNiku> well, it sort of sucks if people install kubuntu 5.10 and upgrade to dapper and all of a sudden they have no kde anymore
[09:15] <iNiku> most people will have no idea how to fix that
[09:15] <Tm_T> iNiku: well, people who have no idea, should NOT use dapper yet
[09:15] <iNiku> surely you're not trying to say it's okay that it does that?
[09:15] <Tm_T> because it IS still unreleased and unsupported
[09:16] <iNiku> yeah, yeah
[09:16] <Tm_T> iNiku: it is okay it does before release it
[09:16] <Tm_T> after release, no
[09:16] <iNiku> but don't you think it should be fixed before it's released?
[09:17] <Tm_T> it will be made as smooth as possible around release, but before that there more important things to be done
[09:17] <iNiku> well, I still don't think it's "okay" that it just removed kde for whatever reason
[09:17] <iNiku> but yeah, I'm willing to accept it as a quirk of a prerelease distro
[09:17] <Tm_T> iNiku: it is okay, and btw, it does ask y/n about it, and _you_ answered yes by your own
[09:18] <iNiku> just don't tell me it's okay and it's supposed to do it :)
[09:18] <iNiku> it definitely did not ask anything about removing kde
[09:18] <Tm_T> it does
[09:18] <iNiku> it only asked about overwriting the configs for a couple of packages which had nothing to do with kde
[09:18] <Tm_T> apt-get does tell what it's going to do
[09:18] <iNiku> well, it did not.
[09:18] <iNiku> okay, at that point, yeah, it probably did
[09:18] <Tm_T> ofcourse it does ;)
[09:18] <iNiku> I didn't read through the list of 1000 packages, of coruse
[09:19] <Tm_T> you should
[09:19] <iNiku> yeah. of course it does :)
[09:19] <iNiku> yeah. like you should read all those pesky license agreements :D
[09:19] <iNiku> oh well. not a problem for me, just a little surprising considering the fact that ubuntu is supposed to "just work"
[09:19] <Tm_T> oh well
[09:20] <TheUni> why is it that after setting up apache and php4 on my machine, when i browse to a local .php file in firefox it asks me to save it, rather than running it?
[09:20] <Tm_T> its supposed to "just work" after release )
[09:21] <Tm_T> anyway, back to sleep ->
[09:21] <iNiku> heh. well, yeah, maybe it will... although, if your theory is correct and it removed kde because I didn't have the kubuntu-desktop metapackage installed, it sounds like an issue with the old version
[09:21] <iNiku> rather than an issue with dapper
[09:24] <fatejudger> why is the embedded kmplayer plugin the standard Konqueror plugin now?
[09:24] <fatejudger> what exactly was wrong with the Kaffeine one?
[09:24] <Tm_T> fatejudger: buggy and laggy
[09:24] <fatejudger> KMPlayer sucks
[09:24] <Tm_T> and, err, kmplayer is made to that
[09:24] <fatejudger> it doesn't adhere to standards
[09:25] <fatejudger> it's all over the place, like Mplayer
[09:25] <Tm_T> humm?
[09:25] <fatejudger> the GUI
[09:25] <Tm_T> all over the place?
[09:25] <fatejudger> yes
[09:25] <fatejudger> it doesn't use the default iconset
[09:25] <Tm_T> never happens here
[09:26] <fatejudger> and the Kaffeine GUI was far better
[09:26] <Tm_T> imo not
[09:26] <fatejudger> Tm_T: and what is your favorite DE then?
[09:26] <Tm_T> DE? KDE
[09:26] <Tm_T> ofcourse :)
[09:27] <Tm_T> and I never liked Kaffeine
[09:27] <fatejudger> how could you not like Kaffeine if you like KDE?
[09:27] <fatejudger> that is so strange...
[09:27] <Tm_T> that's not
[09:27] <fatejudger> I do agree, it's nice to have controls on the player
[09:27] <fatejudger> will this one not crash anymore?
[09:28] <fatejudger> the KMPlayer plugin keeps complaining that Xine isn't running
[09:28] <Tm_T> well, that means xine doesn't support that format, install codecs and/or use mplayer engine
[09:28] <Tm_T> usually means that
[09:28] <fatejudger> impossible
[09:29] <fatejudger> I'm playing wmv files
[09:29] <fatejudger> and I have win32 codecs installed
[09:29] <Tm_T> very possible
[09:29] <Tm_T> there's over ten different kind of wmv files
[09:29] <fatejudger> Kaffeine played the same files
[09:29] <Tm_T> and no, you can't play all of them even in WMP
[09:30] <Tm_T> then no idea
[09:30] <fatejudger> very strange
[09:30] <fatejudger> gstreamer doesn't work either
[09:30] <fatejudger> does kmplayer have gstreamer 0.10 support?
[09:30] <Tm_T> nope
[09:30] <Tm_T> not yet
[09:30] <fatejudger> I've been waiting for that forever
[09:30] <fatejudger> amarok finally got it
[09:30] <Tm_T> and lost it
[09:30] <fatejudger> ?
[09:30] <fatejudger> I can still play files using gstreamer 0.10 in amarok
[09:30] <Tm_T> well, there's no gst plugin maintainer
[09:31] <fatejudger> it just can't play wma files
[09:31] <fatejudger> which sucks
[09:31] <Tm_T> so, it will be dropped if noone gonna maintain it
[09:31] <fatejudger> isn't gstreamer techincally better?
[09:31] <fatejudger> *technically
[09:31] <Tm_T> well, propably
[09:31] <fatejudger> I thought amarok had someone on board
[09:31] <Tm_T> but if there's no developer willing to maintain the engine, what you can do...
[09:32] <fatejudger> is the gstreamer API that much harder than Xine's?
[09:32] <Tm_T> no idea
[09:32] <fatejudger> well this KMplayer thing is extraordinarily frustrating
[09:32] <fatejudger> it won't play any video files
[09:32] <Tm_T> don't blame me
[09:33] <Tm_T> it works really fine here
[09:33] <fatejudger> heh, maybe a restart?
[09:33] <Tm_T> or hard kick
[09:33] <iNiku> hmm, strange. dapper broke my wlan connectivity
[09:33] <Tm_T> iNiku: possibly
[09:34] <fatejudger> Dapper works great with wireless now
[09:34] <Tm_T> iNiku: have you tried knetworkmanager ?
[09:34] <fatejudger> yes, knetworkmanager is great
[09:34] <iNiku> Tm_T: no, should I?
[09:34] <Tm_T> should
[09:34] <fatejudger> doesn't it run with GTK or gnome stuff though?
[09:34] <Tm_T> fatejudger: K as KDE
[09:34] <iNiku> how is the hotplug stuff supposed to work in dapper?
[09:35] <fatejudger> I could have sworn I saw some GTK stuff being installed
[09:35] <Tm_T> iNiku: just remember to comment out all entry in /etc/network/interfaces before using knetworkmanager
[09:35] <iNiku> it's not running the scripts anymore when inserting the wireless card
[09:35] <iNiku> but even configuring the interface manually, it won't work. hmm.
[09:35] <Tm_T> fatejudger: knetworkmanager is just frontend fro networkmanager
[09:35] <fatejudger> right
[09:36] <Tm_T> !dapper
[09:36] <ubotu> Dapper Drake will be the next release of Ubuntu - due June 1 (see: http://tinyurl.com/qyrkq). Join channel #ubuntu+1 for discussion and support :)
[09:36] <Tm_T> ;(
[09:36] <iNiku> oh yeah, wrong channel.
[09:36] <fatejudger> Tm_T: I thought it was going to have support for seamlessly switching from wired to wireless
[09:36] <fatejudger> iNiku: no
[09:36] <fatejudger> iNiku: it's in here
[09:37] <Tm_T> dapper support?
[09:37] <fatejudger> iNiku: once the beta got released dapper support got changed back to here
[09:37] <Tm_T> hmm
[09:37] <fatejudger> see the channel message for details
[09:37] <iNiku> someone should tell ubotu, then
[09:37] <Tm_T> whooo
[09:37] <Tm_T> anyway, I was sleeping ->
[09:37] <fatejudger> I always forget how to change ubotu's stuff
[09:42] <iNiku> grr, what a pain.
[09:44] <gringo> hi guys
[09:44] <gringo> anyone can help me? :(
[09:45] <Tm_T> gringo: no, we can't help you
[09:45] <Tm_T> !helpme
[09:45] <ubotu> If you do not actually ask a question, we can not actually help you.
[09:45] <gringo> ^^ kk
[09:45] <gringo> i am new to linux/kubuntu
[09:45] <gringo> i installed warzone2100
[09:46] <gringo> oh using dapperdrake beta2
[09:46] <gringo> the game has no sound
[09:47] <iNiku> so how does the network hotplug stuff work in dapper?
[09:48] <gringo> that is wiritten in the logs: open /dev/[sound/] dsp: Device or resource busy
[09:51] <fatejudger> !tell iNiku about networkmanager
[09:52] <iNiku> ERROR: Communication problem with knetworkmanager, it probably crashed.
[09:54] <fatejudger> Tm_T: which output do you use in KMPlayer?
[09:54] <fatejudger> Tm_T: Xine, Mplayer, or Gstreamer?
[09:55] <jeff_> hey gangsters
[09:56] <jeff_> anybody know why apt-get would hold back packages?
[09:57] <Tallia1Kubuntu> halo
[09:57] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i want to ask you something about the audio system in kubuntu..
[09:57] <uniq> jeff_: depends are not statisfied in the repository.
[09:57] <Tallia1Kubuntu> particularly  i have problems to maintain the audio server available for multiple programs.
[09:58] <jeff_> hmm
[09:58] <jeff_> can dapper only use dapper repos?
[09:58] <gringo> Tallia1Kubuntu: i have the same problem
[09:58] <Tallia1Kubuntu> what happens now is that as soon as a program require that resource, another program tells that the resource is busy
[09:58] <Ryoga85> ugh
[09:58] <Ryoga85> how can I change my processor speed?
[09:58] <jeff_> eh uniq?
[09:58] <uniq> jeff_: generally speaking, yes. there are of course exceptions.
[09:58] <jeff_> ok
[09:59] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i tried to use arts and it solves the problem, but for example mplayer -ao arts is extremely slow when fetching the movie
[09:59] <jeff_> uniq: its not updating my koffice and stuff
[09:59] <Tallia1Kubuntu> does anybody have suggestions?
[09:59] <gringo> Tallia1Kubuntu: i suggest to use alsa instead of arts
[09:59] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i tried, but in the past i had problems too
[09:59] <Tallia1Kubuntu> don't remember what though
[10:00] <Tallia1Kubuntu> is alsa mutli-**
[10:00] <uniq> tallia1kubuntu: make arts suspend (release the oss/alsa audio device) a few seconds after beeing used..  and use mplayer -ao oss..
[10:00] <Tallia1Kubuntu> multi-program
[10:00] <Tallia1Kubuntu> uniq: ? how can i do it?
[10:01] <uniq> tallia1kubuntu: system settings -> sound & multimedia -> sound system -> Auto-suspend.
[10:02] <uniq> ryoga85: i use powernowd to control my cpu speed.
[10:02] <Tallia1Kubuntu> uniq: ok, i have seen it.. can you explain me why that idle was necessary?
[10:02] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i am putting it to 1 second
[10:02] <Tallia1Kubuntu> tell me if i am doing something wrong
[10:04] <fatejudger> does anyone have a problem in which KMPlayer says that "Player xine is not running"?
[10:04] <fatejudger> I can't get xine, or the mplayer plugin to work
[10:04] <uniq> tallia1kubuntu: if all your applications use arts, it's a good thing to have it controlling your audio devices completely, not suspend is needed. When you set it to suspend you make it release the device after X seconds.. and give other applications access to controlling your audio devices. Generally using artsd or similar audio system for audio-work with a need for low latency is not a good thing.
[10:04] <Tallia1Kubuntu> Question2: anybody is experiencing connection problems with amule? i keep having connection lost on razorback and all the most popular channels.....
[10:05] <Tallia1Kubuntu> uniq: but why arts is slower for mplayer?
[10:05] <Ryoga85> rofl @ "Go away, you are not root. Only root can run me."
[10:06] <fatejudger> Tallia1Kubuntu: it adds layers
[10:06] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i see
[10:06] <fatejudger> Tallia1Kubuntu: and it has a huge ass buffer
[10:06] <fatejudger> Tallia1Kubuntu: mixing at the ALSA level is much better, which is why dmix is so popular
[10:07] <Tallia1Kubuntu> dmix?
[10:07] <fatejudger> Tallia1Kubuntu: it's the way ALSA mixes multiple streams together
[10:07] <Tallia1Kubuntu> is what you are using?
[10:07] <Seantater> I'm making a spam filter -- does anyone know how I might get spam to train it on?
[10:07] <fatejudger> Tallia1Kubuntu: it's the default for Kubuntu ALSA installs
[10:08] <Tallia1Kubuntu> meh, i had ubuntu, and i installed it more than 1 year ago
[10:08] <CaBlGuY> HOwdy Tall..  o/
[10:09] <Ryoga85> uniq: i just want to set it back to 2GHz (because it's set to 800MHz for any reason)
[10:11] <vge> why i get like heat detector image when viewing wmv files?
[10:11] <vge> xine+kmplayer
[10:13] <Ryoga85> but powernowd works I think
[10:14] <uniq> tallia1kubuntu: you can try to set /usr/bin/artswrapper setuid root, that would help on arts performance. 'dpkg-statoverride --update --add root root 4755 /usr/bin/artswrapper'
[10:17] <jeff_> is it worth upgrading from kubuntu beta1 to beta2?
[10:17] <Yon> is there any way of opening an .exe?
[10:18] <jeff_> yeah, with wine
[10:18] <jeff_> !wine
[10:18] <Tallia1Kubuntu> Yon: doesn't work really well
[10:19] <jeff_> yeah
[10:19] <jeff_> tell Yon about !wine
[10:19] <iNiku> ugh
[10:19] <Tallia1Kubuntu> the best thing that i tried by now is vmware, that emulate an hardware to install windows
[10:19] <jeff_> did that work yon?
[10:19] <LeeJunFan> jeff_: if you do your basic upgrades you are already up to date with beta2.
[10:19] <Tallia1Kubuntu> !vmware
[10:19] <ubotu> Not a clue. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Tallia1Kubuntu
[10:19] <jeff_> LeeJunFan: ok cool
[10:19] <Yon> nope :( should i try get it anyways
[10:20] <Yon> ?
[10:20] <jeff_> LeeJunFan: apt-get is having trouble upgrading some things though
[10:20] <jeff_> whats the .exe?
[10:20] <vge> aomebody can tell me why wmv videos look all messed up? but sounds are ok, i mean blue,red overburn or something, like in heatcam or something
[10:20] <LeeJunFan> jeff_: are you using apt-get dist-upgrade?
[10:21] <jeff_> no
[10:21] <iNiku> knetworkmanager isn't working too well for my wifi card, it seems
[10:21] <jeff_> LeeJunFan: no, just regular upgrade holds some packages back
[10:21] <jeff_> iNiku: yeah same
[10:21] <LeeJunFan> jeff_: yeah, you should do dist-upgrade
[10:22] <iNiku> or actually, I suppose it's wpa_supplicant that is not working too well
[10:22] <iNiku> but the end result is the same :/
[10:22] <jeff_> ok
[10:23] <iNiku> jeff_: did you get yours working somehow?
[10:30] <jeff_> no :/
[10:31] <jeff_> are you using ndiswrapper too?
[10:31] <iNiku> no, the airo driver
[10:32] <DaSkreech> Hello
[10:32] <DaSkreech> I've installed Beta 2 but I cannot start adept
[10:32] <DaSkreech> It says I should run atp-setup
[10:33] <DaSkreech> apt-setup
[10:34] <DaSkreech> hi jonathan_
[10:36] <jeff_> DaSkreech: yeah i have had the same problem since i installed beta 1
[10:36] <jeff_> DaSkreech: apt-setup isnt even a valid command
[10:36] <munzir> Hi, I did sudo apt-get install konqueror in chroot with basic system but now konqueror says http protocol not supported. a missing package?
[10:36] <jeff_> lol
[10:37] <jeff_> http protocol not supported
[10:37] <jeff_> that sucks man
[10:37] <jeff_> i dont know what thats about
[10:37] <jeff_> why did you do chroot?
[10:37] <eosyn>  /etc/services file might be missing
[10:37] <DaSkreech> jeff_: So just use the cli?
[10:38] <jeff_> whats cli?
[10:38] <munzir> jeff_: to install a 32-bit system in amd64
[10:38] <jeff_> oh
[10:38] <jeff_> im afraid i dont know anything about that :/
[10:38] <munzir> jeff_: cli = command line interface
[10:38] <jeff_> ok
[10:40] <DaSkreech> Is it a known problem (hopefully with a known solution) for the beta
[10:40] <DaSkreech> I'm afraid I didn't read the release notes
[10:40] <DaSkreech> Wow Kopete is pretty :-)
[10:42] <jeff_> lol yeha
[10:45] <phyzlo> Hi, I'm new to ubuntu and have just installed it on an old P3 650mhz computer. I find that KDE is much slower than when I was running WinXP on the same machine. The problem maybe is the gfx drivers but I don't know how to check ?
[10:46] <HaxoR91> does anyone know how to install java?
[10:47] <HaxoR91> on firefox
[10:47] <wubrgamer> hey guys, i am an irc n00b and if someone could get me unbanned in channel ubuntu i'd appreciate it, i didn't know that flooding was annoying (now i do, and realize why, i was really tired)
[10:48] <HaxoR91> well doesnt anyone>?
[10:48] <DaSkreech> wubrgamer: Just message the person who banned you
[10:48] <DaSkreech> !java
[10:48] <ubotu> To install Java/Sun Java see Java on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats and also see !javadebs
[10:48] <wubrgamer> i don't who did
[10:48] <wubrgamer> don't know how to figure it out either
[10:49] <DaSkreech> wubrgamer: You Should have gotten a message sent directly to you
[10:49] <wubrgamer> i didn't
[10:49] <wubrgamer> wait i did
[10:49] <wubrgamer> but it was like a week ago
[10:50] <DaSkreech> haha
[10:52] <wubrgamer> DaSkreech: hey, i'm just trying to get my installation working
[10:52] <DaSkreech> Have you tried going back in since?
[10:55] <fatejudger> were the KOffice binaries compiled on some weird processor?
[10:55] <fatejudger> because they run like crap on my Celeron
[10:55] <fatejudger> and run great on my P4
[10:56] <wubrgamer> hey guys i'm looking for help with ndiswrapper
[10:56] <fatejudger> something wrong with atheros?
[10:56] <wubrgamer> i don't know what atheros is
[10:56] <fatejudger> well it's installed by default
[10:57] <wubrgamer> all i want is for my wireless to work *tear* am am a n00b
[10:57] <wubrgamer> i don't know what it is
[10:57] <wubrgamer> lol
[10:57] <fatejudger> it should work by default
[10:57] <wubrgamer> some basic insight to ubuntu wireless would be greatly appreciated
[10:57] <wubrgamer> btw, when i installed ubuntu i did it via a net install
[10:57] <fatejudger> !tell wubrgamer about networkmanager
[10:57] <iNiku> well, that was weird
[10:58] <iNiku> networkmanager does not work with my wifi card
[10:58] <fatejudger> iNiku: did you follow the wiki?
[10:58] <iNiku> but for a while there, I wasn't even able to set it up manually for some reason
[10:58] <iNiku> fatejudger, yes. but it seems the wpa_supplicant doesn't work with my card
[10:58] <fatejudger> iNiku: you have to make sure to follow the part where you edit your network interfaces file
[10:58] <fatejudger> iNiku: then don't use WPA
[10:59] <iNiku> fatejudger: it wants to use wpa_supplicant even for WEP
[10:59] <wubrgamer> argah i need halp
[10:59] <wubrgamer> *help
[10:59] <fatejudger> wubrgamer: I just gave you a link
[10:59] <fatejudger> wubrgamer: follow the instructions and if you have any questions ask them
[11:00] <iNiku> fatejudger: the wireless works now, in the old-fashioned way (/etc/network/interfaces). just had to configure eth1 as auto since there is no more hotplug
[11:00] <iNiku> but networkmanager does not work.
[11:00] <fatejudger> iNiku: that's because you didn't follow the directions
[11:00] <iNiku> fatejudger: I did.
[11:00] <fatejudger> iNiku: if you had, you would have seen that you need to edit your network/intefaces file
[11:00] <iNiku> I just told you I did :)
[11:00] <fatejudger> iNiku: and erase or comment out everything except for the loopback
[11:00] <iNiku> and I also told you wpa_supplicant does not work on my wifi card and there's no way to use networkmanager without it.
[11:00] <fatejudger> iNiku: if you did that, I have no idea what's going on
[11:01] <fatejudger> iNiku: it seems like 99% of the people who have trouble with networkmanager don't follow instructions
[11:01] <iNiku> networkmanager seems to handle all crypto stuff through wpa_supplicant
[11:01] <fatejudger> iNiku: so if I'm being a little harsh you'll know why, heh
[11:01] <iNiku> heh, well, I know the feeling
[11:02] <iNiku> but the thing is, it handled the interface just fine and wpa_supplicant tried hard to get a connection going
[11:02] <iNiku> but for some reason it just doesn't work
[11:02] <iNiku> so I had to resort to the old-fashioned way
[11:03] <fatejudger> iNiku: I know that Dapper always have trouble with WPA
[11:03] <fatejudger> iNiku: people just ended up hacking it up or using WEP
[11:03] <fatejudger> iNiku: or nothing at all
[11:03] <fatejudger> iNiku: personally, I'm not the paranoid type
[11:03] <fatejudger> iNiku: I settle for MAC address filtration
[11:04] <fatejudger> it keeps the riffraff out
[11:04] <iNiku> fatejudger: MAC filtering is a nice deterrent for the occassional wardriver but it really offers no security at all
[11:05] <iNiku> I'd really like to move from WEP to WPA but I guess I'll need to get a new card for that. might as well, the old one is only b...
[11:05] <iNiku> too bad about networkmanager, though
[11:05] <iNiku> it looks useful
[11:08] <fatejudger> !networkmanager
[11:08] <ubotu> well, networkmanager is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkmanagerHowto
[11:08] <_darksoul> !dapper
[11:08] <ubotu> Dapper Drake will be the next release of Ubuntu - due June 1 (see: http://tinyurl.com/qyrkq). Join channel #ubuntu+1 for discussion and support :)
[11:08] <fatejudger> iNiku: yeah, what does it really matter?
[11:08] <nagyv> How could I syncronize my calendar between Korganizer and my mobile? It is a Sony-Ericsson D750i.
[11:09] <slow-motion> hallo
[11:09] <fatejudger> iNiku: the only way for someone to crack mac address filtering is for you to be using your wireless network at that time
[11:09] <fatejudger> iNiku: and it's not like they can "hack" into your computer
[11:09] <sword-> hey guys
[11:09] <sword-> mplayer tends to slow down when i move a window in the background
[11:09] <sword-> how do i resolve that
[11:09] <sword-> for example if a firefox page is loading, mplayer will slow down
[11:09] <fatejudger> sword-: by not using mplayer
[11:10] <sword-> typical linux user question :)
[11:10] <sword-> anyone else?
[11:11] <Lorenzod> sword, are you using mplayer itself or (k)(g)mplayer?
[11:11] <sword-> gmplayer actually
[11:11] <fatejudger> sword-: you ought to be using something native like kmplayer or kaffeine
[11:11] <iNiku> fatejudger: I prefer to have things at least somewhat secure
[11:11] <fatejudger> sword-: that'll perform much better
[11:11] <sword-> it''d do a slight delay
[11:11] <fatejudger> sword-: as it won't have to load external toolkits
[11:11] <Lorenzod> Well, since kaffeine seems to be hosed, kmplayer is probably the best option..
[11:12] <fatejudger> Lorenzod: Kaffeine is just underdeveloped ATM
[11:12] <sword-> ah
[11:12] <fatejudger> Lorenzod: I like Kaffeine better, but you're right KMPlayer is the best option ATM
[11:12] <Lorenzod> fatejudger: well, it doesn't even start over here.
[11:12] <fatejudger> Lorenzod: using Kaffeine in Breezy?
[11:12] <Lorenzod> fatejudger, no dapper.
[11:12] <fatejudger> Lorenzod: weird, works great on all my computers
[11:13] <Lorenzod> fatejudger, I just migrated back to kde from gnome, and I've still got some issues to sort out..
[11:13] <fatejudger> iNiku: the worst a wardriver could do on my network is listen to some great tunes while watching pr0n
[11:13] <Lorenzod> Such as kaffeine, amarok, kdm and skim
[11:13] <phyzlo> Is there a typical program folder in kubuntu (or linux) like program files in windows ?
[11:14] <Lorenzod> fatejudger, so kaffeine works for you? Good to know.
[11:14] <iNiku> fatejudger: yeah, or hack someone else's system using your connection and cause you trouble, which actually happened here a while ago
[11:14] <fatejudger> phyzlo: kind of, but no
[11:14] <fatejudger> Lorenzod: might want to do a fresh install
[11:14] <fatejudger> Lorenzod: it is a beta after all
[11:14] <fatejudger> Lorenzod: I resolved a few problems on my desktop by doing that
[11:15] <fatejudger> Lorenzod: I'm thinking of doing it for my laptop since everything seems to be running at a crawl
[11:15] <phyzlo> fatejudger: I have downloaded firefox 1.5 and want to replace the old one.. how do I know where to do it ?
[11:15] <Lorenzod> fatejudger, haven't done a fresh install since pre-warty..
[11:15] <fatejudger> Lorenzod: LOL
[11:15] <iNiku> and anyway, "they won't be able to do anything harmful on my network" is no reason to ignore security
[11:15] <fatejudger> Lorenzod: you're a trooper
[11:15] <fatejudger> Lorenzod: I commend you
[11:16] <fatejudger> Lorenzod: but seriously, config files get misplaced, you ought to just do a fresh install
[11:16] <fatejudger> iNiku: why not?
[11:16] <fatejudger> iNiku: do you know the numbers on performance decrease with WEP and WPA?
[11:16] <fatejudger> iNiku: because I do
[11:16] <Lorenzod> fatejudger: I actually intend to, when Dapper final goes out.
[11:16] <Lorenzod> Right now I'm in the mood for fixing.
[11:16] <fatejudger> iNiku: and I know I'd rather have the speed than be a paranoid person
[11:17] <iNiku> what's speed have to do with it?
[11:17] <iNiku> never noticed any speed issues using a properly secured network
[11:17] <phyzlo> Isn't WEP/WPA hardware encryptions ?
[11:17] <fatejudger> iNiku: but this is Linux, and there are many people like you who'd rather have security than the 25% bandwidth boost you'd get from not having WEP/WPA
[11:18] <iNiku> fatejudger: BS, I've never heard of WPA/WEP causing a significant bandwidth hit
[11:18] <fatejudger> lol, then you obviously don't know much about networks
[11:18] <fatejudger> overhead causes slowdowns
[11:18] <iNiku> well, fine if that's what you think :)
[11:19] <fatejudger> WEP has to authenticate every packet
[11:19] <fatejudger> that takes time
[11:19] <iNiku> in fact, think what you will, I'm not interested in arguing something like this
[11:19] <fatejudger> which means less packets can be sent
[11:19] <Ryoga85> fatejudger: how serious are you?
[11:19] <fatejudger> I'm not just "thinking" this
[11:19] <wubrgamer> hey guys, i can't don't know how to use my wireless card in my ubuntu installation
[11:19] <fatejudger> this is a fact
[11:19] <iNiku> hehe
[11:19] <wubrgamer> HELP !!!!!!!!
[11:19] <wubrgamer> *tear*
[11:19] <fatejudger> google it
[11:19] <fatejudger> wubrgamer: did you follow the instructions I gave you?
[11:20] <fatejudger> !tell wubrgamer about networkmanager
[11:22] <shawn____> hi I just installed a new HD and cdrom in my computer do I have to manually edit fstab or can kubuntu do that automatically?
[11:25] <shawn____> hey?
[11:29] <shawn____> hi I just installed a new HD and cdrom in my computer do I have to manually edit fstab or can kubuntu do that automatically?
[11:30] <Ryoga85> figure it out
[11:30] <fatejudger> lol
[11:30] <iNiku> hmm. what should I install to get automatic cpu speed reduction when running on battery?
[11:30] <Nigel-> http://fbi.gov.swellserver.com/drag_net.php
[11:30] <iNiku> or do I just need to edit /etc/acpi/power.sh?
[11:31] <munzir> Hi, I lauched kalarm and set it to a time now I see a notice but there is no sound, where should this be set?
[11:31] <Ryoga85> iNiku: my cpu speed reduced automatically and i can hardly set it back
[11:31] <shawn____> wow you mean to tell me that noone has installed ne hardware.... I know how to edit fstab... I know how to use mount... but i was wondering if there's something that can do that for me
[11:31] <Ryoga85> iNiku: powernowd can maybe help
[11:31] <shawn____> *new
[11:32] <Ryoga85> shawn____: I have a laptop so i'm not going to instll new hardware (i can't even because there is no secondary ide channel *lol*)
[11:33] <iNiku> Ryoga85: I'll check that out. klaptop has a setting for that in the user interface but it's not doing anything
[11:34] <toni123> Hi
[11:34] <toni123> I am now using windows
[11:35] <Ryoga85> iNiku: I can't find klaptop at all :/
[11:35] <Ryoga85> hi toni123
[11:35] <toni123> I have problems with kubuntu
[11:35] <toni123> after about 2 minutes my graphics go crazy
[11:37] <toni123> any help pls?
[11:37] <toni123> ?
[11:37] <Ryoga85> what exactly happens?
[11:38] <toni123> Its like an error or something...the graphics go really bad
[11:38] <toni123> u can hardly see anything
[11:39] <wubrgamer> hey guys,   where do i find the driver bcmwl5a  and install it in ndiswrapper ?
[11:40] <Ryoga85> lol wubrgamer
[11:40] <Ryoga85> wubrgamer: i'm having the same problem... you find the driver on the driver disc of your wlan card
[11:42] <toni123> Anyway, I am very new to linux...never used it..what linux do you suggest easiest to use?
[11:42] <Ryoga85> toni123: did you really ask that in the kubuntu room? *lol*
[11:43] <toni123> why?
[11:43] <toni123> is there a main linux channel?
[11:43] <Ryoga85> i dunno
[11:43] <HymnToLife> toni123> I think you made the right choice with Ubuntu
[11:44] <toni123> but I have problems with it :S
[11:44] <fatejudger> I don't understand it, why does everything think they need ndiswrapper?
[11:44] <HymnToLife> hmm
[11:44] <HymnToLife> what kind of graphics card and monitor do you have ?
[11:44] <Ryoga85> well I used SuSE Linux and Kanotix before, but I like ubuntu (not at least because it's the only distribution working with my laptop till now)
[11:44] <fatejudger> the only reason you need ndiswrapper is if you want 108 mbps on those boosted routers, or atheros doesn't support your wireless card
[11:44] <toni123> GeForce 6200TC (pci express)
[11:45] <Ryoga85> no fatejudger
[11:45] <toni123> with windows it works perfect
[11:45] <Ryoga85> fatejudger: some wlan cards don't get recognized
[11:45] <Ryoga85> because there is no driver
[11:45] <Ryoga85> that's what ndiswrapper is for
[11:45] <Ryoga85> they just don't work without it at all
[11:47] <fatejudger> Ryoga85: atheros has drivers for 99.9% of all cards out there
[11:47] <fatejudger> Ryoga85: and about half of the people on here want to install ndis
[11:47] <fatejudger> Ryoga85: the numbers just don't check out
[11:47] <HymnToLife> toni123> that's really weird, GeForces should work just fine
[11:47] <Ryoga85> fatejudger: hmm
[11:47] <HymnToLife> did you do anything after install ?
[11:48] <Ryoga85> fatejudger: that's just not true
[11:48] <fatejudger> Ryoga85: the only thing I've seen have trouble are those minipci cards
[11:48] <toni123> Is there any kind of emulator to run Linux on Windows???????
[11:48] <fatejudger> Ryoga85: and atheros doesn't provide 108 Mbps support
[11:48] <Ryoga85> toni123: you can setup a virtual machine using vmware
[11:48] <Ryoga85> !vmware
[11:48] <ubotu> My cat's name is Mittens! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Ryoga85
[11:48] <fatejudger> toni123: would you like to letters to go with those question marks?
[11:49] <fatejudger> *some
[11:49] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: you can get 108 on atheros
[11:49] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: since when?
[11:49] <Ahmuck> what is the program for digital cameras ?
[11:50] <fatejudger> oh geez, I should know this one
[11:50] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: not sure but my accesspoint supports 108 (and inside it) it has an atheros minipci card
[11:53] <h3sp4wn> fadejudger: I can get 108 between two Netgear WGT634U 's
[11:53] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: well what do you know, you're right
[11:54] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: my connection says it's connected at 64 Mbps
[11:54] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: that's super G alright
[11:55] <toni123> Is there a program like virtual pc to run linux on windows pls??
[11:55] <h3sp4wn> I don't like the way super G uses all available channels though (not nice to anyone else having a network around you)
[11:55] <fatejudger> lol
[11:55] <fatejudger> screw them
[11:55] <Ryoga85> toni123: vmware
[11:55] <Ryoga85> i said that already
[11:55] <Ryoga85> I used it to rum Kanotix on my laptop
[11:55] <Ryoga85> *run
[11:56] <Ahmuck> toni123: or tightvnc
[11:56] <fatejudger> I'm actually thinking of boosting my router's power output
[11:56] <toni123> tnx
[11:56] <Ahmuck> toni123: with tightvnc however you would need another computer with kubuntu and then vnc into it from windows
[11:57] <toni123> ic
[11:57] <toni123> like remote access
[11:57] <Ahmuck> yes
[11:57] <toni123> vmware better ;)
[11:58] <h3sp4wn> freenx is better than vnc but won't currently allow you to have the same session you had on the console
[12:01] <iNiku> hmm. anyone play around with IDE hotswap on ubuntu?