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| sfllaw | bddebian: Hi. :) | 01:39 |
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| tseng | hi sfllaw, welcome to ubuntu land | 01:47 |
| sfllaw | tseng: Thanks. | 01:48 |
| sfllaw | I'm Simon. | 01:48 |
| sfllaw | I don't think we've met before. | 01:48 |
| sfllaw | Or if we have, I've forgotten. | 01:49 |
| tseng | < Brandon | 01:49 |
| sfllaw | I have a terrible memory. | 01:49 |
| Kamion | nomed: at present there are one or two, but they're bugs | 01:49 |
| tseng | you just touched a beagle bug earlier, thats me | 01:49 |
| sfllaw | Ah. | 01:49 |
| tseng | i only know you from your blog, otherwise | 01:49 |
| Kamion | bmonty: we have a tool that tells us about binary packages that aren't built from source, and I run it periodically and act on it; no need for bug reports in that case | 01:50 |
| sfllaw | tseng: That's very cool. Just reading your weblog now. | 01:51 |
| bmonty | Kamion: ok, I already submitted two bugs...I'll mark them as rejected | 01:52 |
| nomed | Kamion, hardcoded ubuntu username ? | 01:52 |
| nomed | Kamion, Mithrandir will know that for sure .. maybe you're interested too | 01:53 |
| nomed | bug #42118 | 01:53 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 42118 in casper "allow custom HOST,USERNAME" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/42118 | 01:53 |
| Kamion | nomed: no as it happens if you're talking about ubiquity I know it for sure | 01:54 |
| Kamion | nomed: but they're bugs and I'll fix them soon | 01:54 |
| nomed | Kamion, i was not talking about ubiquity directly .. | 01:55 |
| Kamion | nomed: yes you certainly were | 01:55 |
| Kamion | 18:21 < nomed> is there any part of ubiquity where the username is hardcoded ? | 01:55 |
| nomed | but if casper could allow different username and host | 01:55 |
| nomed | then it could affect ubiquity too .. | 01:55 |
| nomed | Kamion, yes :) | 01:55 |
| nomed | but the bug has been reported in casper | 01:56 |
| nomed | that's what i meant :) | 01:56 |
| nomed | need to go now | 01:56 |
| nomed | cu all | 01:56 |
| Kamion | zul_: grr re bug 42020 | 02:01 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 42020 in grub-installer "installer: grub password included as cleartext in menu.lst" [Major,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/42020 | 02:01 |
| zul_ | uh...yeah? | 02:01 |
| Kamion | I'm getting really fed up with having to go over my mail with a fine tooth-comb to make sure people aren't rejecting my bugs | 02:01 |
| Kamion | see my comments | 02:02 |
| zul_ | sorry.. | 02:02 |
| Kamion | after I've confirmed a bug on one of my packages, I really would appreciate people not rejecting it | 02:02 |
| zul_ | it wont happen again | 02:02 |
| Kamion | thank you | 02:02 |
| mjg59 | Kamion: Is there a mechanism for seeing who confirmed a bug? | 02:02 |
| Kamion | mjg59: link labelled "activity log" in the top left portlet | 02:03 |
| mjg59 | Ah, ok | 02:04 |
| mjg59 | Helpful | 02:04 |
| \sh | oh fck..now I see mjg59 and it gives me the punch in my face... | 02:04 |
| \sh | mjg59: the keys on the toshiba are not working anymore, but hibernating from script e.g. is working... | 02:05 |
| mjg59 | \sh: Can you be a bit more precise than "not working"? | 02:05 |
| mjg59 | All of the hotkeys, or just sleep/hibernate? Are they generating events in /var/log/acpid ? | 02:06 |
| \sh | mjg59: yes :) | 02:06 |
| \sh | mjg59: the events are generated, hibernatebtn.sh is executed, but the real action in hibernate.sh is not | 02:06 |
| \sh | mjg59: all buttons....(tested under kubuntu) | 02:07 |
| mjg59 | Oh, right | 02:08 |
| mjg59 | It's probably KDE being broken, then | 02:08 |
| \sh | hum? | 02:08 |
| Kamion | zul_: sorry, I know it's mostly not you, just a build-up of apparently massive interest in my bugs over the last couple of weeks | 02:09 |
| \sh | don't tell me, that kde is fighting against shellscripts and acpi_fakekey? | 02:09 |
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| mjg59 | \sh: Something needs to catch the key event and trigger hibernation | 02:09 |
| mjg59 | I'd guess klaptopdaemon or kpowersave or whatever it is this week | 02:09 |
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| \sh | mjg59: so the fakekey event from acpi_fakekey is not catched properly from kde...because something important is not working...Hope I find a solution in the next three days...it's really painfull presenting kubuntu at linuxtag without a working laptop integration | 02:11 |
| mjg59 | \sh: I don't have time to do any KDE work | 02:12 |
| mjg59 | But something needs to catch KEY_SUSPEND (linux keycode 205, not sure what the X keycode is) and trigger hibernate | 02:12 |
| \sh | mjg59: I don't blame you...:) | 02:12 |
| mjg59 | Ditto for KEY_SLEEP (linux keycode 142) and trigger sleep | 02:12 |
| mjg59 | Or alternatively listen for HAL events that send BUTTONPRESSED HIBERNATE or BUTTONPRESSED SLEEP | 02:13 |
| mjg59 | (or something like that) | 02:13 |
| Harti | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/42151 | 02:13 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 42151 in firefox "firefox-1.5.0.2 crashes on flash" [Normal,Unconfirmed] | 02:13 |
| nix4me | the site in that bug works fine on my debian box with 1.5.0.2 | 02:20 |
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| mdke | seems to work here too, ubuntu | 02:24 |
| jmg | whats the correct way to file a bug requesting sync to something in debian unstable? if it isnt in universe and previously hasnt been in sid | 02:26 |
| crimsun | jmg: usually you'd follow the procedure for syncs on wiki/DeveloperResources, but it's not useful at this stage. When Eft opens, it'll be synced from Sid. | 02:27 |
| jmg | crimsun: ah, automagically | 02:27 |
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| Harti | it a sound-prob. i have changed the "none" in /etc/firefox/firefoxrc to "aoss". when i change back to "none", then works firefox | 02:28 |
| jmg | crimsun: Want to take a nother crack at my alsa issue? :) | 02:29 |
| crimsun | Harti: the value aoss is not supported and will not work unless you have alsa-oss (universe) installed | 02:29 |
| Harti | but with "none" i have no multiple sounds (beep-media-player and flash-sound on websites) | 02:30 |
| crimsun | Harti: please address this with me in #ubuntu | 02:30 |
| bddebian | sfllaw: I's been a workin' massa :) | 02:36 |
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| bddebian | sfllaw: Though apparently not to Kamion's standards :-( | 02:38 |
| crimsun | I've attached a debdiff to bug #41367, compiled it, and verified it fixes the reported issue if a developer with main upload privileges has time to take a peek. | 02:39 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 41367 in alsa-lib "dmix consumes 100% CPU with 32-bit userspace on 64-bit kernel" [Normal,Fix committed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/41367 | 02:39 |
| jmg | gah | 02:43 |
| sladen | crimsun: ooh, excellent! | 03:00 |
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| bddebian | Damnit, where did everyone go? | 03:16 |
| LaserJock | I'm here bddebian | 03:20 |
| bddebian | Heya LaserJock | 03:21 |
| robertj | bug #42110 | 03:24 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 42110 in samba "home directories should be writable by default" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/42110 | 03:24 |
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| robertj | hrmm, still unconfirmed :( | 03:24 |
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| jmg | uhh | 03:29 |
| jmg | robertj: i wouldnt want my home exported readwrite by default | 03:30 |
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| jmg | So what normally happens when upstream folds a package? | 05:07 |
| sfllaw | jmg: Folds? | 05:09 |
| jmg | sfllaw: folds up some smaller packages into a bigger one | 05:10 |
| jmg | opposite of split | 05:10 |
| sfllaw | Combined? | 05:10 |
| jmg | er well not really | 05:10 |
| jmg | yeah | 05:10 |
| sfllaw | You can choose to keep the package separation, but generate them from one source. | 05:10 |
| sfllaw | Or you can merge everything into one package, and have Provides: and Replaces: for the old ones. | 05:10 |
| jmg | No provision to have different controlfiles for derivatives is there? | 05:11 |
| sfllaw | I'm confused by your question. | 05:11 |
| sfllaw | Could you give an example? | 05:11 |
| jmg | no it doesnt matter, i thought of how to do it - with a dpatch | 05:12 |
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| jmg | poningru: that s a cool quit :) | 05:13 |
| poningru | :) | 05:13 |
| poningru | thanks | 05:13 |
| poningru | got it from a friend | 05:13 |
| poningru | waay long ago | 05:13 |
| sfllaw | Man, everyone who understood that was way too geeky. :) | 05:13 |
| jmg | sfllaw: I was wondering if it were possible to have a different debian/rules file for debian than to ubuntu, or to add specific functionality to the makefile that is active only if building for ubuntu | 05:14 |
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| jmg | poningru: reminds me of mtg | 05:15 |
| sfllaw | jmg: But there _are_ separate files for Debian and Ubuntu. | 05:15 |
| sfllaw | Ubuntu forks off all of its packages. | 05:15 |
| bddebian | Since when? | 05:16 |
| sfllaw | Ubuntu adds little patches here and there, no? | 05:16 |
| sfllaw | At the very least, they bump the changelog. | 05:16 |
| bddebian | Not always | 05:16 |
| bddebian | Not for direct syncs afaik | 05:17 |
| sfllaw | OK. libgtkspell0 is one of those. | 05:18 |
| sfllaw | But out of the archive, this is very rare. | 05:19 |
| sfllaw | Only 575 binary packages are like this. | 05:19 |
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| Lathiat | Does anyone know the bug # where gdm doesnt get focus on dual head setups? | 05:41 |
| Lathiat | i cant seem to find it | 05:41 |
| Lathiat | but im sure i saw one before | 05:42 |
| === robitaille is looking...I could swear I saw it a few days ago... | ||
| robitaille | maybe bug 28712 ? | 05:55 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 28712 in gdm "gdm loses focus when mouse pointer is outside window (when initially started)" [Unknown,Unknown] http://launchpad.net/bugs/28712 | 05:55 |
| Lathiat | indeed | 05:57 |
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| darius_ | Can anyone reproduce a failure when executing winecfg and clicking on the Audio tab in Dapper beta 2? | 06:35 |
| robitaille | darius_: what do you mean by failure? a crash of the application? I tried, and it allowed me to select an audio driver for wine | 06:42 |
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| darius_ | robitaille: yes, the app crashes with: *** glibc detected *** free(): invalid pointer: 0x7c06cf70 *** | 06:49 |
| darius_ | I guess this is a wine bug - audio w/ wine used to work with this system :/ | 06:49 |
| darius_ | in 5.10 | 06:50 |
| robitaille | maybe related to bug 42169 | 06:51 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 42169 in wine "winecfg dies when clicking the "Audio" tab" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/42169 | 06:51 |
| darius_ | yeah | 06:51 |
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| Tonio_ | hello | 09:28 |
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| tsdgeos | hi | 12:14 |
| tsdgeos | anyone i can ping to update http://popcon.ubuntu.com/ ? webmaster@ubuntu.com ignored my mail :-/ | 12:15 |
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| Kamion | tsdgeos: Mithrandir has been working on that | 12:26 |
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| coz_ | morning all | 12:34 |
| coz_ | after hving the error; dev sda1 does not exist , last week we decided to wait until this mornign to run the updates | 12:34 |
| coz_ | after having done that, on the same machines that ran daper well until a week ago , we did the updates again this time with a different error, | 12:35 |
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| coz_ | ALERT! /dev/mapper/Ubuntu-root does not exist | 12:35 |
| mdke | coz_: sounds like you've hit a bug. see https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bugs | 12:36 |
| coz_ | mdke, mm ok thanks I will fo there and check | 12:36 |
| Fjodor | Since it's rather quiet in here, I'll dare a question. Could the xkb symbol table be borked for dk? I only have Danish chars in gnome apps, and xev gives "XLookupString gives 0 bytes:" for presses on "oslash" | 12:39 |
| tsdgeos | Mithrandir: any update on the state of the popcon page? | 12:41 |
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| ProN00b | why are new apps not in the multiverse repo ? | 01:16 |
| mdke | ProN00b: it depends on the license as to which repository applications are in. | 01:16 |
| ProN00b | would i find a app that has just been released for the first time in the breezy (current release) repos ? | 01:17 |
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| mdke | ProN00b: breezy was released 6 months ago, so anything released more recently than about 7 or 8 months is unlikely to be there. | 01:18 |
| ProN00b | so a running release never gets new apps ? | 01:19 |
| dsas | ProN00b: Nope, you only get new apps when you upgrade to the next release | 01:20 |
| ProN00b | why ? | 01:20 |
| mdke | ProN00b: that's correct. | 01:20 |
| ProN00b | i mean if they don't break anything and just work with the system they could at least by in multiverse | 01:21 |
| mdke | as I said, multiverse is defined by the licenses of the applications in it | 01:21 |
| mdke | releases are frozen shortly before release for stability reasons. | 01:21 |
| ProN00b | yeah, but new apps ? | 01:21 |
| mdke | yes, especially new apps | 01:22 |
| ProN00b | hmm, so ubuntu is carrying on the debian philosophy of never having the new stuff (tm) | 01:24 |
| Riddell | ProN00b: new stuff is in the development release | 01:24 |
| Riddell | you'll find every other distribution is the same | 01:24 |
| highvoltage | ProN00b: that statement is a bit unfounded | 01:24 |
| Riddell | s/release/version/ | 01:24 |
| mdke | ProN00b: if you want to troll, go elsewhere please. The Ubuntu release team can't possibly develop two distributions simultaneously. | 01:24 |
| Riddell | actually there is backports if you want that | 01:25 |
| ProN00b | Riddell, how can i get that development release ? | 01:25 |
| mjg59 | Kamion: There's still the problem that the partition discovery stuff tries mounting partitions in the installer in order to identify them | 01:25 |
| highvoltage | ProN00b: please take this to #ubuntu | 01:25 |
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| _ion | Setting up bzr-doc (0.8~200604291148-0ubuntu1) ... | 01:57 |
| _ion | cannot create dhelp file '/usr/share/doc/bzr/html/.dhelp': No such file or directory | 01:57 |
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| hunger | Any idea how I can stop the gpg-agent on logout again? | 02:02 |
| hunger | It is started in /etc/X11/Xsession.d (two times?) but never stopped. | 02:02 |
| sladen | hunger: does this help? http://lists.gnupg.org/pipermail/gnupg-devel/2005-January/021763.html | 02:08 |
| sladen | hunger: it should probably be a wider bug, can you file one please | 02:08 |
| hunger | sladen: Such hackery works, but since gpg-agent is started by default it should get stopped by default as well. | 02:09 |
| dsas | sladen, hunger: I think there is already a bug open for stopping gpg-agent on logout. | 02:09 |
| hunger | dsas: Yes, there is. | 02:10 |
| \sh | since when is gpg agent started as default ? | 02:10 |
| hunger | There should be some generic way to run scripts on Xserver exit that works for *buntu:-( | 02:11 |
| hunger | \sh: gnupg adds two startup scripts to /etc/X11/Xsession.d. | 02:11 |
| hunger | \sh: Does that since before breezy. | 02:12 |
| hunger | \sh: s/gnupg/gnupg-agent/ | 02:12 |
| tseng | ii gnupg 1.4.2.2-1ubunt GNU privacy guard - a free PGP replacement | 02:12 |
| tseng | oh | 02:12 |
| \sh | hunger: I'm on the latest dapper upgrades...and there is no gpg-agent start script in Xsession.d because gpg-agent isn't in the default seed somehow...or do I miss something? | 02:12 |
| tseng | that explains it | 02:12 |
| hunger | \sh: I guess so, gnupg-agent is in universe. | 02:13 |
| \sh | hunger: so, there is no default :) | 02:13 |
| hunger | \sh: but still something like /etc/X11/Xsession.d for stop scripcs would make sense. | 02:14 |
| \sh | hunger: that's why kmail has problems to decrypt gpg mime mails :( | 02:14 |
| hunger | \sh: I guess that is why I have gnupg-agent installed;-) | 02:15 |
| \sh | hunger: to be frank, I don't like the agent stuff actually, neither ssh-agent nor gpg-agent...I don't like the idea, that my passphrase is somewhere in my ram :) | 02:15 |
| hunger | \sh: I agree. | 02:16 |
| hunger | \sh: But that the passphrase is in RAM and stays there even after a user logs out is even worse:-( | 02:16 |
| \sh | hunger: that's why I don't use gpg-agent :) and that's why I have to decrypt my gpg mime mails manually, until the kmail devs are solving this issue the "right way" (tm) | 02:17 |
| tseng | what difference does it make if you are logged in with something in memory, or logged out | 02:17 |
| tseng | linux isnt a single user system | 02:17 |
| tseng | if you dont trust the box, dont trust it when you are sitting there | 02:17 |
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| hunger | \sh: plus it occasionally breaks my pam-mount, so my HDD stays mounted unencrypted longer then necessary. | 02:17 |
| \sh | tseng: it has something to do with "lazyness" and "humanity" ;) | 02:18 |
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| hunger | tseng: I trust the box... I accept that my passphrase stays in memory when it makes things easier for me (== when I can actually use the data == when logged in). | 02:19 |
| hunger | tseng: I just hate to keep it there longer then necessary. | 02:19 |
| tseng | then you dont trust it | 02:19 |
| tseng | it doesnt matter much to me, it just seems a strange argument | 02:20 |
| hunger | tseng: Well, it is somewhat similar to not wanting daemons to run with root privs longer then necessary to set up their stuff. | 02:21 |
| tseng | daemons are remotely accessible | 02:22 |
| \sh | as long as you use your machine as single user machine, everything is fine, but when you have 2 3 4 5 user on this machine, those agents suck | 02:22 |
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| hunger | Anyway: All I am saying is that it would be nice to have something like /etc/X11/Xsession.d to stop stuff after a user logs out oxf X. | 02:22 |
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| bddebian | Hello | 02:46 |
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| blaamann | elmo Znarl : The no.archive.ubuntu.com three is somewhat borked. E.g http://no.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/breezy-updates/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz is not there | 02:47 |
| Znarl | blaamann : OK, I'll fix this. Thanks for letting me know. | 02:48 |
| blaamann | Znarl: We just talked about it in ubuntu-no and didn't know who to contact, but \sh told us that you might help us. Thanks! | 02:49 |
| Znarl | blaamann : I am the right person to contact. I've pointed no.archive at the archive.ubuntu.com and I will email the admin of the mirror. | 02:51 |
| \sh | see, another problem solved :) closing bug ;) | 02:54 |
| blaamann | Znarl: Thanks again, and I will now leave you guys alone :-) | 02:54 |
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| bddebian | Kamion: you around? | 02:57 |
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| bddebian | Kamion: OK, since I can't seem to catch you. I apologize for subscribing ubuntu-archive to some of those bugs. However, when I ask questions either in here or -motu, many times I don't get answers and even though you say 'upload whatever you want', I like to get at least a second opinion. | 03:04 |
| bddebian | Though you notice, I usually do have a solution posted in the bug even though you say I don't. | 03:04 |
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| opi | morning | 03:26 |
| bddebian | Hello opi | 03:28 |
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| bddebian | Anyone know how I can get this damn enigmail-locale-ru removed?? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/13143 | 03:43 |
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| sladen | bddebian: you could use some dpkg --force evilness | 03:46 |
| bddebian | sladen: I've tried some. Any suggestions? | 03:47 |
| bddebian | Heya Gloubiboulga | 03:47 |
| sladen | bddebian: or look at /var/lib/dpkg/info/enigmail-locale-ru.prerm and working out why it is failing and then file a bug | 03:47 |
| sladen | bddebian: upload stuff, just like Unix, people will tell you if something could be improved and gnerally be quiet if you do something correctly :) | 03:49 |
| sladen | bddebian: (and you and I don't learn unless we screw up first) | 03:49 |
| \sh | sladen: you screw packages? no way :) | 03:50 |
| bddebian | sladen: Well aren't we supposed to be a 'community'? :-) | 03:51 |
| bddebian | I've already been chastized for a few of my uploads :-) | 03:51 |
| bddebian | sladen: That worked, thanks man! | 03:53 |
| sladen | bddebian: it's probably quite distressing because don't tend to give positive praise, just chastize when something needs fixing, so it may seem like you're always being nagged... | 03:55 |
| Gloubiboulga | hey bddebian | 03:55 |
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| bddebian | sladen: I don't mind being 'corrected' ;-), but I freakin' despise being ignored considering the amount of work that I try to do | 04:00 |
| \sh | bddebian: sourcepackage? | 04:00 |
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| bddebian | \sh: For which? | 04:01 |
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| \sh | bddebian: with the problem of this mozilla-locale stuff | 04:02 |
| bddebian | \sh: All of those on unmet deps :-) I think most of them probably need morgued? | 04:03 |
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| truz24 | Do I have to uninstall my old kernels to get them off of /boot/grub/menu.lst ? | 04:03 |
| truz24 | I tried removing them manually but automagic puts them back :-) | 04:04 |
| \sh | what the heck is automagic? | 04:04 |
| \sh | bddebian: I think this mozilla-thunderbird-locale-tr and this other package can be removed... | 04:05 |
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| bmonty | bddebian: they need to be removed, not morgued | 04:09 |
| bddebian | bmonty: Yeah, yeah, whatever ;-P | 04:09 |
| bmonty | :) | 04:09 |
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| bddebian | I don't know how you can be any more removed than sent to the morgue ;-P | 04:10 |
| bddebian | Heya zakame | 04:10 |
| bmonty | bddebian: that is going to be a lot of bug reports for the archive team to get those locale packages out of the archive | 04:10 |
| \sh | morgue is a special archive.... | 04:10 |
| \sh | while removing means: go away forever in actual dapper archives :) | 04:11 |
| bddebian | \sh: I know, I'm being literal :) | 04:11 |
| zakame | hi all | 04:11 |
| zakame | hi bddebian | 04:11 |
| bmonty | actually, can we really remove the enigmail-locale packages, I think I remember looking in to that and the current versions of enigmail still need them | 04:12 |
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| \sh | hmm....>=1.5 << 1.5.0 it looks really funny to me, or I'm more into decimal calculation then dpkg ;) | 04:16 |
| bddebian | Yeah, that's hokey | 04:19 |
| \sh | that source pkg engimail :_ | 04:19 |
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| Chipzz | \sh: bzzzzzrrrrrt ;) | 04:40 |
| Chipzz | \sh: ssh-agent stores *the key* in ram, not the passphrase | 04:40 |
| Chipzz | ;) | 04:40 |
| \sh | Chipzz: yes :) but gpg-agent does not store the key in ram :) | 04:41 |
| \sh | Chipzz: what I wanted to say is that I don't like it | 04:41 |
| Chipzz | uhu | 04:41 |
| Chipzz | maybe someone should rewrite gpg-agent to work more like ssh-agent? | 04:41 |
| Chipzz | or wouldn't that make a difference for you? | 04:41 |
| \sh | how should that work? putting the unlocked key into ram? | 04:42 |
| Chipzz | uhu | 04:42 |
| Chipzz | but actually I have no clue about gpg, so I may be talking non-sense | 04:42 |
| \sh | Chipzz: it won't make a difference to me, I like more the manual approach to enter my passphrase every time :) | 04:42 |
| bmonty | just because the key is only stored in ram doesn't mean it isn't written to the disk | 04:42 |
| \sh | ram means physical memory and swap memory | 04:42 |
| Chipzz | bmonty: you mean swapped out? | 04:42 |
| bmonty | Chipzz: yes | 04:43 |
| Chipzz | actually I think it's a non-issue | 04:43 |
| Chipzz | if a user can gain root privs, or if you don't trust root | 04:43 |
| Chipzz | then he can just as well install a keylogger or a rootkit | 04:44 |
| mjr | it's not a non-issue if your box is stolen or confiscated | 04:44 |
| Chipzz | if your box is confiscated they need to power-cycle it | 04:44 |
| Chipzz | in which case the key will be gone | 04:44 |
| bmonty | Chipzz: if the key or password was in swap it probably still exists after a power cycle | 04:45 |
| mjr | except if it's written in swap | 04:45 |
| Chipzz | bmonty: then use encrypted swap? | 04:45 |
| mjr | though, the paranoid among us have encry... right | 04:45 |
| Chipzz | and if your laptop is stolen, you'ld better have a good screensaver which asks you for your password | 04:45 |
| bmonty | Chipzz: encrypting swap is a possible solution | 04:46 |
| \sh | to be more precise: if you are using your box as a single user machine, all is fine...but if the box is used by more then one person, those things can be security issue...if the people using this box don't know | 04:46 |
| Chipzz | if you don't, then this discussion is moot anyway | 04:46 |
| Chipzz | bmonty: it all depends on how paranoia you are, and how much you have to hide | 04:46 |
| \sh | someone who is working from home and is connecting to a network in his company should always be paranoid :) | 04:48 |
| Chipzz | but for 99% of our users, this basically *is* a non-issue | 04:48 |
| \sh | Chipzz: but gpg-agent is an issue, because without it kmail doesn't work properly regarding decrypting mime gpg mails | 04:48 |
| \sh | but that's more a kmail issue ;) | 04:49 |
| Chipzz | kmail should not rely on the agent then ;) | 04:49 |
| \sh | Chipzz: tell that the kde devs :) | 04:49 |
| bmonty | Chipzz: I disagree that this is a non-issue, but to each his own :) | 04:49 |
| Chipzz | bmonty: then you're more security-minded than I am ;) | 04:50 |
| Chipzz | bmonty: for me, it may be an issue for my fileserver with illegal movies on it... but for the other boxes I have, it isn't | 04:50 |
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| Chipzz | you have to place this in its context | 04:51 |
| \sh | I hope amu is testing this gpg smartcard stuff on ubuntu/kubuntu, if this works I'll buy one of those smartcards and reader :) | 04:51 |
| Chipzz | would the ibm fingerprint stuff be usable for such things btw? | 04:51 |
| _ion | Talking of gpg-agent, i wish the script mentioned in bug #41870 were added to the keychain package. | 04:51 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 41870 in keychain "Starting keychain from /etc/X11/Xsession.d" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/41870 | 04:51 |
| bmonty | Chipzz: why does it have to be in relation to illegal files...how about your financial info? | 04:51 |
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| bmonty | Chipzz: I've read that the security from the IBM fingerprint readers is laughable | 04:52 |
| Chipzz | bmonty: because for a large portion of users actually encrypting their fs'es, I'ld figure it is? | 04:52 |
| Chipzz | and for your financial transactions, you'ld have the bank to worry about anyway ;) | 04:53 |
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| zakame | heya Nafallo! | 04:57 |
| Nafallo | hi there zakame :-) | 04:57 |
| zakame | what's up? | 04:58 |
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| kmon | Hi | 05:16 |
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| kmon | The release section in the wiki should explictly say warty is no longer supported | 05:17 |
| zakame | kmon: I think that will be changed soon | 05:18 |
| kmon | zakame: ok | 05:18 |
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| Kamion | \sh: there's no such thing as a morgue in launchpad, so the term means even less than it used to | 05:24 |
| Kamion | bddebian: you seem to be referring a bug to us and giving multiple options normally, not just one | 05:24 |
| Kamion | bddebian: the problem is that once you subscribe ubuntu-archive to a bug, a malone bug means that we can never unsubscribe from it again | 05:25 |
| Kamion | bddebian: so it stays on our to-do list, which means our to-do list just got a lot harder to manage | 05:25 |
| Mithrandir | Kamion: it sounds like a bug that there's no way to unsub groups, though. | 05:26 |
| Kamion | bddebian: it's fine to refer a bug to us saying "please remove foo" or "please sync foo" or whatever - that's fine - and I'm sorry you're having trouble getting feedback, but escalating to ubuntu-archive isn't the way to solve that problem | 05:26 |
| Kamion | Mithrandir: it is - there's a bug filed, severity critical | 05:26 |
| Kamion | but still, the archive team is not a helpdesk | 05:26 |
| Kamion | also, could all you guys quit sending bugs to ubuntu-archive that all have the same subject line? :-) ("[UNMETDEPS] xsim has unmet dependencies") | 05:29 |
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| Kamion | aha, syncs should be fixed early next week, you'll be pleased to know | 05:34 |
| zakame | Kamion: yay! \o/ | 05:35 |
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| mgalvin | Seveas: ping? | 06:43 |
| welshbyte | Kamion: regarding bug #41865, should bugs that have that exact backtrace only with a different KeyError be marked as dupes? | 06:49 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 41865 in ubiquity "kde-ui's get_disk_choices looks at wrong choice list" [Major,Fix committed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/41865 | 06:49 |
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| bddebian2 | Kamion: No worries. I'm trying to close the ones I stuck to ubuntu-archive anyway. What is the proper method to escalate something? I know I'm a PITA but I am trying to get stuff done also. It's not like we have a person to go to is there? Maybe Daniel H.? | 07:20 |
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| bddebian | Kamion: Oh and as for the subject line, that wasn't my doing :-) | 07:21 |
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| crimsun | _ion: that would require keychain being promoted to main. | 07:27 |
| _ion | crimsun: Why? | 07:27 |
| crimsun | _ion: it's pretty useless if it's not in main. It doesn't necessarily make sense to have hooks for stuff that doesn't exist in main. | 07:28 |
| _ion | crimsun: The Xsession.d script would not be there if keychain isn't installed. The script would be in the keychain package. | 07:29 |
| crimsun | _ion: why not use the method recommended by keychain's author(s)? | 07:30 |
| crimsun | (oh, it's filed against keychain, not X.org. misparse.) | 07:30 |
| _ion | crimsun: How does that differ from what keychain's authors intend? | 07:31 |
| crimsun | _ion: do upstream docs recommend using Xsession? | 07:33 |
| bddebian | Kamion: Oh yeah, and one more whine. My @ubuntu.com e-mail still fails? :-( | 07:33 |
| crimsun | bddebian: that should be addressed to cprov in #launchpad | 07:34 |
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| bddebian | crimsun: Oh really? OK | 07:35 |
| bddebian | What's our stance on python2.2? While I am ripping python2.1 out of pychecker, should I remove 2.2 as well? | 07:35 |
| crimsun | (I thought you were discussing that with doko?) | 07:36 |
| bddebian | crimsun: He basically said go ahead for 2.1 but I just thought about 2.2 | 07:37 |
| _ion | crimsun: The intention of keychain is to use already running instances of {ssh,gpg}-agent, or start new ones if they aren't running. Also, when the session ends, they are left running (unless the user configures it otherwise). So all of your X or shell sessions are able to use the same instances of the agents. Xsession.d would be a very good place to start keychain from. | 07:37 |
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| crimsun | _ion: so is the intention to remove the need for the user to edit his/her login file(s)? | 07:40 |
| crimsun | (89keychain doesn't properly handle -csh, btw) | 07:40 |
| _ion | crimsun: The admin can add similar lines to the shell's /etc/*profile as well. That way the users are able to use keychain simply by creating ~/.keychainrc | 07:43 |
| _ion | crimsun: Xsession is a sh script, not a csh script. | 07:43 |
| crimsun | _ion: no, I'm speaking of KEYCHAINENV="$HOME/.keychain/$(hostname)-csh" | 07:44 |
| _ion | crimsun: $KEYCHAINENV is only used by 89keychain. | 07:44 |
| _ion | crimsun: It's not exported. | 07:45 |
| crimsun | _ion: you're missing me entirely. | 07:45 |
| crimsun | * Initializing /home/crimsun/.keychain/garnish-csh file... | 07:45 |
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| _ion | crimsun: All due respect, but i think you're missing me entirely. :-) | 07:46 |
| _ion | crimsun: ~/.keychain/foo-csh contains exactly the same thing as ~/.keychain/foo-sh, just in different syntax. | 07:47 |
| _ion | crimsun: Xsession.d/89keychain doesn't need to care about the -csh one because it's being sourced by /bin/sh | 07:48 |
| crimsun | _ion: does Xsession explicitly use /bin/bash then? | 07:48 |
| Coyctecm | http://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/rms-ati-protest.html | 07:48 |
| Coyctecm | :D | 07:49 |
| _ion | % head -n 1 /etc/X11/Xsession | 07:49 |
| _ion | #!/bin/sh | 07:49 |
| crimsun | and if /bin/sh is not symlinked to /bin/bash ? | 07:49 |
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| _ion | crimsun: It should be sufficient to expect that /bin/sh is symlinked to a sh compatible shell. | 07:50 |
| _ion | If a user symlinks /bin/sh to /usr/games/quake2, Xsession(5) being broken is her smallest problem. | 07:51 |
| crimsun | I'd feel more comfortable considering 89keychain if it at least handled -csh | 07:52 |
| Mithrandir | if /bin/sh is symlinked to a non-posix-sh, you don't have a posix (and thereby not a UNIX) system. | 07:53 |
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| _ion | crimsun: Handled it _how_? | 07:53 |
| _ion | How should a sh script handle a csh script? | 07:53 |
| crimsun | _ion: the question is whether it's only important that hostname-sh exists | 07:53 |
| crimsun | if so, then there's no problem at all | 07:54 |
| _ion | crimsun: Yes, it's only important that foo-sh exists. | 07:54 |
| _ion | Everything in /etc/X11/Xsession.d is written in sh syntax. If it weren't, it would be broken. | 07:55 |
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| kagou | slomo_: around ?! | 08:34 |
| slomo_ | kagou: yes | 08:34 |
| sivang | re all | 08:38 |
| sivang | hey slomo_ :) | 08:38 |
| slomo_ | hi sivang :) | 08:38 |
| sivang | slomo_: when will you be able for a new upload? :-) | 08:39 |
| slomo_ | sivang: what about now? ;) | 08:39 |
| sivang | slomo_: I'm working on some more improvements | 08:39 |
| sivang | slomo_: cool, but I;m not finished yet ...:-/ | 08:39 |
| slomo_ | sivang: i'll be here for the next 3 hours probably | 08:39 |
| kagou | slomo_: can i assign #35792 to you ? | 08:39 |
| sivang | slomo_: okay, coo, what are you working on? | 08:39 |
| kagou | Bug #35792: | 08:40 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 35792 in gdesklets "gdesklets shell fails on first run" [Normal,In progress] http://launchpad.net/bugs/35792 | 08:40 |
| slomo_ | kagou: yes, but change the error message too please :) | 08:40 |
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| kagou | slomo_: Bug #35792 is for you. I hope that my second package patch is ok now ;) | 08:49 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 35792 in gdesklets "gdesklets shell fails on first run" [Normal,In progress] http://launchpad.net/bugs/35792 | 08:49 |
| slomo_ | kagou: thanks... uploaded :) | 08:51 |
| kagou | your welcome | 08:51 |
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| shawn_home | hrm, why do we use H.J Lu's binutils and not the official GNU binutils? there's no need to use his anymore. | 09:10 |
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| shawn_home | its infact discouraged by linux kernel developers as well | 09:11 |
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| Seveas | mgalvin, pong | 09:35 |
| shawn_home | anyone have a reason as to why we use them? | 09:37 |
| Mithrandir | shawn_home: probably because there's no reason not to and it's what we get from Debian? | 09:38 |
| shawn_home | !!! | 09:38 |
| Mithrandir | shawn_home: also, iirc, we use a somewhat patched cvs snapshot of binutils, so I'm not sure your claim that we're using H. J. Lu's binutils. | 09:39 |
| shawn_home | not according to debian: binutils (2.16.1cvs20060413-1) | 09:39 |
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| shawn_home | GNU ld version 2.16.91 20060118 Debian GNU/Linux is dapper | 09:39 |
| Mithrandir | yes, and? Why do you claim that it's not the "official" binutils? | 09:39 |
| shawn_home | there is no .91 package in ftp.gnu.org | 09:40 |
| shawn_home | but there is in: http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/devel/binutils/ | 09:40 |
| Mithrandir | yes, and if you read release.binutils-2.16.91.0.1 in that directory it says that it's the beta release. | 09:43 |
| shawn_home | ok,i stand corrected, the gcc people tell me thats not the other one | 09:43 |
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| shawn_home | if it has 2 extra .x.x it's HJL's | 09:45 |
| shawn_home | if it doesn't its GNU official | 09:45 |
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| kbrooks | Hey everyone. | 09:45 |
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| shawn_home | I was worried since HJL's binutils is rediculed by people, so we're ok | 09:45 |
| kbrooks | XiXaQ: state your feature request :-) | 09:45 |
| mgalvin | Seveas: i added a comment to Bug #41957 on my reason for filling it... please take a peek when you have time, thnx | 09:46 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 41957 in fam "fam tries to remove ubuntu-desktop" [Normal,Rejected] http://launchpad.net/bugs/41957 | 09:46 |
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| Seveas | mgalvin, removing would be best imho | 09:46 |
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| mgalvin | +1 | 09:47 |
| XiXaQ | I'd like to have a cd-checker-feature in the ubuntu installation. I've had alot of problems (possibly) because of a faulty installation medium. I had to install windows again, download another copy, check it again, before I can resume installation of ubuntu. If I had known that there was something wrong with the cd, then I could simply reboot in windows, get a new one and try again. | 09:47 |
| mjg59 | XiXaQ: There is | 09:48 |
| XiXaQ | mjg59? | 09:48 |
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| mjg59 | XiXaQ: You can select it from Dapper's boot menu | 09:48 |
| XiXaQ | mjg59, right, I was talking about 5.10. | 09:48 |
| XiXaQ | great. | 09:48 |
| XiXaQ | another request: a simple IRC client with a connection to an installation support group. and possibly a small text-based web client. | 09:49 |
| Mithrandir | XiXaQ: it's in breezy too, but not discoverable. Select "back" from one of the prompts and you should get to the main menu. | 09:51 |
| Mithrandir | XiXaQ: from there, select "check cd-rom integrity" | 09:51 |
| XiXaQ | ah. | 09:53 |
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| XiXaQ | I'm downloading Dapper now. If I'm able to run that in live versjon, then I should be able to install it too, right? | 09:54 |
| Mithrandir | XiXaQ: yes, and there's a live installer there too. | 09:55 |
| Mithrandir | XiXaQ: those questions are more appropriate for #ubuntu or possibly #ubuntu-no, though. | 09:55 |
| XiXaQ | right. | 09:56 |
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| Riddell | welshbyte: yes, most likely | 10:20 |
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| highvoltage | hi, is there a way i can test a preseed file before burning a cd? | 10:41 |
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| lifeless | morning | 11:17 |
| Burgundavia | salut lifeless | 11:17 |
| ubijtsa | highvoltage: you can do a netinstall and pull the preseed that way perhaps? | 11:17 |
| highvoltage | ubijtsa: that's actually a good idea. thanks, i'll do that. | 11:18 |
| ubijtsa | highvoltage: np :) | 11:18 |
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