=== Sergi0 [n=serge@ip227-28-166-62.adsl.versatel.nl] has joined #edubuntu [12:06] nn everyone === HedgeMage [i=HedgeMag@freenode/staff/HedgeMage] has joined #edubuntu === bimberi [n=bimberi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.bimberi] has joined #edubuntu === jinty [n=jinty@244.Red-83-54-78.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu === bart1105 [n=tina@210.213.196.178] has joined #edubuntu === P3L|C4N0 [n=sopmac@200.106.9.122] has joined #edubuntu === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu === zakame [n=zak@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #edubuntu === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu === P47|LL0 [n=sopmac@200.106.9.122] has joined #edubuntu === B4zzA2 [n=chevron_@l2-202-89-175-214.arach.net.au] has joined #edubuntu === arkan0x [n=arkan0x@pc-220-72-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === bimberi [n=bimberi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.bimberi] has joined #edubuntu === HedgeMage [i=HedgeMag@freenode/staff/HedgeMage] has joined #edubuntu === highvoltage [n=Jono@mtngprs7.mtn.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === mode/#edubuntu [+o highvoltage] by ChanServ === ubotu [n=blootbot@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] has joined #edubuntu === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu === zakame [n=zakame@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #edubuntu [12:29] hi all === highvoltage [n=Jono@mtngprs7.mtn.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu === B4zzA2 [n=chevron_@l2-202-89-175-214.arach.net.au] has left #edubuntu ["Bye] === cbx33 [n=pete@84-45-238-195.no-dns-yet.enta.net] has joined #edubuntu [02:07] cbx33, morning [02:08] cbx33, you send the e-mail about the edubuntu council to me not to the list [02:08] heh [02:08] ogra, now you know why we need a replayto in the headers [02:09] nope [02:09] only over my dead corpse [02:09] lol [02:09] then it should add a replayto [02:09] same thing [02:09] not RFC compilant [02:10] even mailman doesn't recommend such [02:10] jsgotangco, can you give me the checkout url for about edubuntu again ? [02:10] ogra: can you review first this [02:10] ogra: http://doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/about-edubuntu/C/index.html [02:10] that's the html output [02:10] oki [02:11] hmm, thats great, but isnt it a bit longish ? [02:11] no that's not for our firefox page [02:12] ah, k [02:12] that's for our yelp === ogra reads [02:13] many patches were merged from debian should be its own bulletpoint [02:14] meh [02:15] hmm, and i think i should give you a paragraph about "the classroom server" [02:15] (to put below "the difference" and "the desktop") [02:16] the rest is very good :) i'm impressed !" [02:16] -" [02:16] do you want to add those from the old release? [02:17] i'd like a short introduction in ltsp (what is it, what are its advantages) and a short introduction into schooltool [02:17] i'll send you something this evening [02:17] ok i'll incorporate my old stuff [02:17] ahh okay [02:18] (have to go to some may 1st activities here) [02:18] hi ogra, hi jsgotangco [02:18] hi [02:18] hey [02:18] i'll upload the firefox page tonight [02:18] thanks [02:18] oliver have you seen the edubuntu advocacy manifesto? [02:18] jsgotangco, does it have a link to the local schooltool install ? [02:18] http://localhost:7080 i think [02:18] no can you give me the default link? [02:19] but i'll have to put a disclaier it'll only work on ltsp installs [02:19] (i dont have the machine with the edubuntu install with me (i'm 400km away from my office, its not moved to rthe new house yet)) [02:19] yep [02:20] it's only in the default (classroom server) instrall [02:20] ok i'll wait for your email too [02:20] i [02:20] i'll add some more [02:20] ogra: check this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuSchoolAdvocacy [02:21] it's a great work that me and cbx33 are developing [02:23] yep [02:23] what do you think about it? and do you suggest something more? [02:24] its great, sorry, but i have to get ready to leave now, i bookmarked it and will read it later ... [02:24] okie :) [02:24] oliver see you later then [02:24] (would be cool if we could ship the scribus pages at the bottom as example content, sadly the CD space doesnt permit that) [02:25] yep [02:25] it would be really nice [02:25] we should probably have a wikipage with such content we can point to from the about doc or from the default homepage [02:25] sure [02:25] yep exactly [02:26] ogra: will you be available tomorrow for the cc meeting? [02:26] sure [02:26] okie great ;) [02:26] but we'll also hold our own EC meeting on wednesday [02:27] juliux, sorry just hit reply [02:27] cbx33, no problem, i also send my e-mail not to the list [02:28] ogra, so EC meeting is wednesday? [02:28] use the "reply to list" function of your mailprogram [02:28] I did it in haste [02:28] hi pete [02:28] hi Bluekuja [02:28] ;) [02:28] cbx33, we said the first meeting in every month should be a EC meeting [02:28] hm i have no reply to list button in evolution [02:28] ahhh nice [02:28] juliux, ctrl-L [02:28] so the wednesday one will be an ec meeting [02:28] the time [02:29] (dunno where in the menu it is, i never used it from there) [02:29] ogra, thxs [02:29] ogra: the time is confirmed for 12:00 UCT ? [02:29] that's good for me :D [02:29] i was looking in fridge ecents [02:29] *events [02:29] right I gotta dash out [02:30] be back later on [02:30] okie [02:30] ciao pete [02:30] Bluekuja, we'll have a chat about the doc a little later if you'll be here [02:30] Bluekuja, we wanted to move it to the evening (20:00 UTC) but there was no confirmation from JaneW yet, so i fear we'll have to stick with 12:00 UTC for thie time [02:30] ogra, you gonnabe around later? [02:30] ok ogra great [02:30] s/thie/this/ [02:30] i'll be there [02:30] ogra, our guinea pig didn;t make it :( [02:31] cbx33, later in the evening, yes [02:31] OH no :( [02:31] yeh, infected womb [02:31] she just never got over the operation [02:31] bbl [02:31] my condolence :/ [02:31] also to your wife [02:32] i have to go [02:32] cya to all [02:32] ill be available later [02:32] for the doc [02:32] ;) [02:38] ogra, had a great idea [02:38] what if I could do the scribus pages in html format [02:38] :p [02:39] that be more useful to you? [02:41] how would it look if you print it? [02:41] cbx33: maybe pdf/ps would be better for printing [02:41] (compared to a more predictive pdf output) [02:53] well ogra was talking about inc;usion into th cd [02:54] and howc scribus would be too big [02:54] so i offered an alternative [02:54] ;p [02:54] bbl === smile [n=cgiircus@about/cooking/nakedchef/quorn/smile] has joined #edubuntu === jinty [n=jinty@244.Red-83-54-78.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #edubuntu === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu [03:18] highvoltage: ping? === Yagisan [n=jamie@60-240-10-238-nsw-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #edubuntu === B4zzA [n=chevron_@l2-202-89-175-214.arach.net.au] has joined #edubuntu === Petaris [n=Petaris@216.56.37.162] has joined #edubuntu [04:12] jsgotangco: pong [04:12] hmm i fixed it already nevermind :) === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-240-222.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu === B4zzA [n=chevron_@l2-202-89-175-214.arach.net.au] has joined #edubuntu === zakame [n=zak@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #edubuntu [04:21] hi all! =) [04:22] hi zakame [04:23] hi pygi! [04:23] hi zakame [04:23] hello highvoltage! :D [04:23] :) [04:24] highvoltage: i was about to ask about the plone css for proto, but i managed to make my own [04:25] jsgotangco: plone!? [04:25] o highvoltage is alive =P [04:26] pygi: barely [04:26] well i thought it came from plone (most of the sites used the plone css) [04:27] ogra: around? =) [04:27] highvoltage: what happened this time? =P [04:28] pygi: hehe. just came from gym and discovered how unfit i've become the past few weeks :) [04:28] bah [04:28] thats one thing i should do too [04:29] actually there's a gym just in front of my house [04:29] highvoltage: bah =P you should be writing chapters [04:29] lol [04:29] pygi: you have no idea! [04:29] its not even a fitness gym [04:29] but a boxing gym [04:29] heh [04:29] highvoltage: no worries [04:29] pygi: i have a chapter that has to be in for the tuxlab cookbook too, tomorrow is first review [04:30] pygi: i haven't even touched that today, and i'm only about half way through [04:30] the one in proto is pretty good too for starters [04:30] jsgotangco: boxing sounds like more fun than other excercise [04:30] jsgotangco: yeah, and i promised ogra too that that would be finished by the end of this weekend :) [04:31] (sorry if that sentence didn't make sense) [04:39] highvoltage: well, will you be able to provide all the chapters by May,10th? [04:40] pygi: i feel confident that i can. [04:40] highvoltage: nice [04:41] [04:42] what characters are those? [04:42] alt gr + ? [04:42] code table 4k and something [04:43] there are like 10 of them [04:43] there is* === Sergi0 [n=serge@ip227-28-166-62.adsl.versatel.nl] has joined #edubuntu === B4zzA [n=chevron_@l2-202-89-175-214.arach.net.au] has joined #edubuntu === linuxboy [n=anon@yoda.frogfoot.net] has joined #edubuntu [05:03] hi [05:03] I'm trying out LTSP in dapper [05:03] that character looks like the japanese katakana for "shi" [05:03] apparently audio should work on the clients PC [05:03] but it doesn't [05:03] any idea why? [05:03] linuxboy: nasd or esd running? [05:04] Yagisan: hehe [05:04] client audio turned on and configured in lts.conf [05:04] Petaris: nope. Must i? and howto? [05:04] Petaris: where is lts.conf? [05:05] linuxboy: yoiu only need to have one of those running if you want audio [05:05] slocate lts.conf [05:05] Petaris: in the chroot? [05:05] the lts.conf is [05:05] adrian@turtle:/opt/ltsp/i386$ slocate lts.conf [05:05] /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/doc/ltsp-client/examples/lts.conf [05:05] adrian@turtle:/opt/ltsp/i386$ [05:05] hrm [05:06] not sure why its in examples [05:06] but thats the file [05:06] well, example configuration? [05:06] because there is obviously an example file :P where must I put it? [05:06] I don't recall [05:07] and my server isn't back running yet [05:07] is there a howto? [05:07] linuxboy: not yet I am afraid :-/ [05:08] pygi: can you help me? [05:09] this ltsp seems very hacked into ubuntu [05:10] nah, it's just new [05:10] and it doesn't have docs [05:10] it will have soon tho [05:10] new? [05:10] its been in there for 2 releases [05:10] this particular one wasn't :-P [05:11] its upgraded [05:11] its the same thing but newer [05:11] ok, those two things just can't go together =P [05:11] what two thing? [05:11] same thing = newer thing [05:11] nah :-/ [05:12] how do I turn client audio on? [05:12] what parameters? [05:17] linuxboy: in lts.conf, you need to add a [default] section, and under that you need to add SOUND=True [05:18] linuxboy: btw, this is only the second ubuntu ltsp release, and is already less hacky than any other LTSP implementation under linux. [05:18] highvoltage: you didn't say that lts.conf must be in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc [05:18] but thanks, I figured it out [05:19] oh man [05:19] you can't control sound levels [05:19] but it works [05:20] strange, i can control sound levels on mine. [05:20] I can't [05:20] linuxboy: file a bug :) [05:20] nah [05:20] I found too many ;) [05:20] I'll give it time [05:21] you got local devices to work? [05:21] nope, that's for edgy. [05:22] oh, it got Deferred, didn't see that [05:22] gah. then I can't use it at work [05:23] pygi: I know looks like a nice smiling face, but "shi" is the japanese word for death [05:23] linuxboy: you need local devices that bad ? [05:23] Yagisan: its for an office [05:23] Yagisan: bah [05:24] Yagisan: I can't have tht users running to me because they can't copy music from their flash disks === Bluekuja [n=bluekuja@host199-235.pool8254.interbusiness.it] has joined #edubuntu [05:24] linuxboy: yeah, I also use mine in an office. I mandated no bloody local devices. [05:25] so, I've installed firefox in my chroot [05:26] how do I "expose" it as a local app ? [05:26] linuxboy: I consider it a security risk at work, hence my hard attitude. [05:26] I don't [05:27] linuxboy: I deal with other peoples sensitive data. Different priorities for us then. [05:27] linuxboy: what do you mean as a local app ? [05:27] we do the same [05:27] but we keep our bussiness and office seperate [05:28] Yagisan: to run on the thin client [05:28] linuxboy: why ? do you gain a benefit that outweighs running it on the ltsp server ? [05:29] Yagisan: lets say all my thin clients are P4 2.4 with 512MB ram. [05:29] I want to run firefox and OOo on the thin client [05:29] so they don't choke up the server [05:30] Is there any easy way to get xfce and its goodies installed? [05:30] I see. I don't have issues with either on my server myself. brb - need to check my kids [05:30] Petaris: apt-get install xubuntu? [05:31] Yagisan: we haven't got a thin client setup. But we want to do this type of thing. Its for a bigger project [05:31] linuxboy: is xubuntu a virtual package or something? [05:32] Petaris: i think so. I've never done it [05:32] Petaris: what does it depend on? [05:32] linuxboy: you can't press a button to 'expose' it yet, as i told you this morning, that's a feature for edgy [05:32] Petaris: the xfce virtual package is xubuntu-desktop [05:32] highvoltage: what? [05:33] 17:25 < linuxboy> how do I "expose" it as a local app ? [05:33] highvoltage: i know. I'm not looking for a button [05:33] highvoltage: I'm trying to see if there is a quick 'n' easy way to hack it [05:33] http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LocalAppFirefox [05:33] ^^^ [05:33] there is some hack job [05:33] highvoltage: cool [05:35] linuxboy: that's for the old-style ltsp though [05:35] aaah [05:37] linuxboy: there's currently two kinds of ltsp's [05:37] linuxboy: the traditional, and meukow [05:37] ok [05:37] initially, the ltsp chroot was a complete red had system. [05:37] *red hat [05:37] which is ubuntu using? [05:37] then later they wrote the entire chroot from scratch [05:38] and used what's called the ltsp build environment, which adds lots of development overhead. [05:38] ubuntu is using meukow [05:38] meukow is a move to get away from the old-style LTSP [05:38] all the distro's are slowly moving to it [05:38] meukow is a much better system [05:38] What is meukow? [05:38] so meukow LTSP uses the distro's own packages, not some weird tarball or hacked together system. [05:39] makes sense [05:39] hrm [05:39] meukow also uses more standard stuff, and moves away from things like ltspfs to things like dbus and friends. [05:39] Petaris: new generation ltsp [05:39] ahh [05:39] linuxboy: I've been commercially running it for about 9 months. no issues unlike old-style [05:39] meukow's design also makes *installing* local apps easier. although running them in an easy and secure way isn't implemented yet. [05:40] Yagisan: ok. We are going to build a system where the chroot gets pulled out a svn repo. [05:42] linuxboy: why ? it is very easy to recreate the chroot as needed. [05:42] linuxboy: use an apt-cacher or similar system, and you don't even need to waste bandwidth re-downloading the .debs [05:44] Yagisan: don't worry. The project is bigger then just that. [05:47] linuxboy: in my personal experience, the only apps I may find a benefit in moving to local apps are long lived cpu-intensive apps, eg encoding, mass encryption/decryption [05:48] linuxboy: in anycase, if you install now, it will be a smooth upgrade to the next relase [05:48] lived cpu-intensive apps [05:48] firefox [05:48] openoffice [05:48] they both fit that [05:48] the bloated pigs [05:48] linuxboy: firefox is not a cpu-intensive app [05:48] Yagisan: you seen it lately [05:48] Yagisan: its not lightweight anymore [05:48] neither is OOo. memory intensive yes, but not cpu intensive [05:49] ok sure [05:49] but firefox is really that bad [05:49] lately is been loving my CPU [05:49] linuxboy: I think you'l find it is that flash plugin, not firefox [05:50] it is. but still... firefox doesn't seem to handle it nicely [05:52] linuxboy: my firefox (without flash), and 2 users atm is using 1.3% cpu. flash, and sun java plugins are the cpu hogs. we can't do much about flash and java - that is macromedia and sun's problem. [05:58] isn't that where gplflash (or what ever the new projects name is) will come in? [05:58] gnu gnash isn't packaged yet. [05:59] linuxboy: perhaps, I expect it will be in edgy [05:59] probably in the future, yes. (we hope :) ) [05:59] highvoltage: is thats whats its called? [05:59] linuxboy: yep [05:59] I thought it was still aplha [05:59] http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/ [05:59] heck, if its usable, I'll use it and package it [06:00] it's pre-alpha [06:00] it's usable, and better than the free-flash player [06:00] how does it compare to the official flash player? [06:01] it's not 100% implemented yet. [06:01] *sigh* i think I'll leave it for now [06:01] non-interactive stuff is mostly Ok, but when it gets interactive, it's not fuly implemented yet. === Yagisan still doesn't want to install something just to see adverts on the internet. [06:01] Yagisan: hehe. PRIVOXY! [06:02] and firefox flash-add blocker :) [06:02] highvoltage: privoxy is nice, but putting the server on amd64 worked quicker ;) [06:03] highvoltage: there was a reason I wrote that 64bit server with 32bit clients patch for ltsp (which in now in dapper) [06:04] Yagisan: dapper now support full multiarch. you can even have ppc hosted on amd64 or i386. or is that your work too? === highvoltage thought that was ogra [06:05] highvoltage: initial work by me, but I never got the ppc stuff done because I don't have ppc, so I believe ogra finished it off [06:07] highvoltage: I don't actually see full multiarch in the source [06:09] Yagisan: how did your multiarch work? i think ogra's one works the same no matter which arch you use. there's a wiki page too for it somewhere... [06:15] highvoltage: see the --arch i386 or --arch powerpc commands on the ltsp-build-client script. Thats my work. IIRC either ogra or mdz changed the commands to --arch xxx, while my original patch was --i386 or --powerpc [06:16] highvoltage: when qemu is in a workable state, I'll try again to add powerpc clients to amd64 or i386 servers [06:17] hi yagisan [06:17] hi highvoltage [06:17] G'day Bluekuja [06:17] guys someone knows what Gnome-Partitionierungsmanager is? [06:18] i'm checking lp bugs [06:18] i think that he means gparted [06:19] jon, yagisan suggestions? [06:19] hi Bluekuja [06:19] hi jon :) [06:19] Bluekuja: i have no idea [06:19] do you know what Gnome-Partitionierungsmanager is? [06:19] oh okie [06:20] ok then === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@trider-g7.fabbione.net] has joined #edubuntu === Topic for #edubuntu: Edubuntu - the education version of Ubuntu, download: http://releases.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/5.10/ | Mailing List http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/edubuntu-devel | Wiki: http://wiki.edubuntu.org | Website http://www.edubuntu.org | MEETING: every wednesday at 12:00 UTC | Read before installing: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes | Dapper beta is out http://releases.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/dapper/ === Topic (#edubuntu): set by juliux at Sat Apr 22 16:31:52 2006 [06:22] (Bluekuja/#edubuntu) yep [06:22] (Bluekuja/#edubuntu) its german [06:22] (Bluekuja/#edubuntu) so its for sure gparted [06:23] (Yagisan/#edubuntu) Bluekuja: probably, I only speak English, and a bit of . [06:23] (Bluekuja/#edubuntu) heehhe [06:24] when i will find some strange japanase words i'll ask to you [06:24] ^^ [06:24] Bluekuja: my total german is "gutten tag" which I think is hello [06:25] lol [06:25] Bluekuja: I hope I'll understand them then. My Japanese is awful [06:25] ok, i'll teach you some italian [06:25] so you will speak 3 languages [06:25] ^^ [06:28] Bluekuja: cool. I picked up a bit of italian watching "Inspector Montelbano" on SBS. Actually, that was rather good. IIRC you answer the phone with "pronto" [06:28] ahha [06:28] really nice man [06:28] pronto here means "i want it done yesterday!" [06:29] lol [06:29] nice === lucasvo speaks english, german, french, italian and latin [06:29] highvoltage: don't you mean last week ;) [06:29] :) [06:29] Yagisan: something like that :p [06:29] nice lucasvo [06:29] i know latin too [06:29] ^^ [06:29] lucasvo: latin ? isn't that a dead language [06:29] yep it is [06:30] what do you know of italian lucasvo? [06:30] Yagisan: yes, I had to learn it in school [06:30] so, how do you know if you pronounce it correctly === Yagisan managed to get out of doing latin at school === juliux als lerned latin at school [06:30] Bluekuja: ohhh, I hate it, Non mi piace, il Italiano. Preferisco l'Inghlese [06:30] haha [06:30] nice [06:31] oh, it should say l'Italiano [06:31] yep [06:31] and if i ask you di dove sei? [06:31] cosa risponderesti? [06:31] Sono di Zurigo, e tu? [06:31] or e Lei? [06:32] Udine, conosci? [06:32] No, non conosco, e in Italia? Nord o Sud? [06:33] Nord-est vicino a venezia^^ [06:34] Nel Lombardia? [06:35] no^^ ,friul-venezia-giulia [06:35] *friuli [06:35] venezia in veneto [06:35] non lo conosco [06:35] spero tu conosca venezia no? [06:35] si lo conosco [06:35] okie bene direi [06:36] remember to put si la conosco [06:36] not si lo conosco [06:36] ;) [06:36] finally, the kids are asleep. Time to go spend some time with the woman that vaguely looks like my wife [06:37] lol [06:37] VeneziA, not VeneziO [06:37] good evening then [06:37] Yagisan: won't your wife be angry if you spend time with the one that almost looks like her? [06:37] Bluekuja: evening ? it's almost 3am [06:37] yep lucasvo [06:37] lol [06:37] i was talking in italian time [06:37] hehehe [06:38]