[12:06] <cbx33> nn everyone
[12:29] <zakame> hi all
[02:07] <juliux> cbx33, morning
[02:08] <juliux> cbx33, you send the e-mail about the edubuntu council to me not to the list
[02:08] <jsgotangco> heh
[02:08] <juliux> ogra, now you know why we need a replayto in the headers
[02:09] <ogra> nope
[02:09] <ogra> only over my dead corpse 
[02:09] <jsgotangco> lol
[02:09] <juliux> then it should add a replayto 
[02:09] <ogra> same thing
[02:09] <ogra> not RFC compilant
[02:10] <jsgotangco> even mailman doesn't recommend such
[02:10] <ogra> jsgotangco, can you give me the checkout url for about edubuntu again ?
[02:10] <jsgotangco> ogra: can you review first this
[02:10] <jsgotangco> ogra: http://doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/about-edubuntu/C/index.html
[02:10] <jsgotangco> that's the html output
[02:10] <ogra> oki
[02:11] <ogra> hmm, thats great, but isnt it a bit longish ?
[02:11] <jsgotangco> no that's not for our firefox page
[02:12] <ogra> ah, k
[02:12] <jsgotangco> that's for our yelp
[02:13] <ogra> many patches were merged from debian should be its own bulletpoint
[02:14] <jsgotangco> meh
[02:15] <ogra> hmm, and i think i should give you a paragraph about "the classroom server" 
[02:15] <ogra> (to put below "the difference" and "the desktop")
[02:16] <ogra> the rest is very good :) i'm impressed !"
[02:16] <ogra> -"
[02:16] <jsgotangco> do you want to add those from the old release?
[02:17] <ogra> i'd like a short introduction in ltsp (what is it, what are its advantages) and a short introduction into schooltool
[02:17] <ogra> i'll send you something this evening 
[02:17] <jsgotangco> ok i'll incorporate my old stuff
[02:17] <jsgotangco> ahh okay
[02:18] <ogra> (have to go to some may 1st activities here)
[02:18] <Bluekuja> hi ogra, hi jsgotangco
[02:18] <jsgotangco> hi
[02:18] <ogra> hey
[02:18] <jsgotangco> i'll upload the firefox page tonight
[02:18] <ogra> thanks 
[02:18] <Bluekuja> oliver have you seen the edubuntu advocacy manifesto?
[02:18] <ogra> jsgotangco, does it have a link to the local schooltool install ? 
[02:18] <ogra> http://localhost:7080 i think
[02:18] <jsgotangco> no can you give me the default link?
[02:19] <jsgotangco> but i'll have to put a disclaier it'll only work on ltsp installs
[02:19] <ogra> (i dont have the machine with the edubuntu install with me (i'm 400km away from my office, its not moved to rthe new house yet))
[02:19] <ogra> yep
[02:20] <ogra> it's only in the default (classroom server) instrall
[02:20] <jsgotangco> ok i'll wait for your email too
[02:20] <jsgotangco> i
[02:20] <jsgotangco> i'll add some more
[02:20] <Bluekuja> ogra: check this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuSchoolAdvocacy
[02:21] <Bluekuja> it's a great work that me and cbx33 are developing
[02:23] <ogra> yep
[02:23] <Bluekuja> what do you think  about it? and do you suggest something more?
[02:24] <ogra> its great, sorry, but i have to get ready to leave now, i bookmarked it and will read it later ...
[02:24] <Bluekuja> okie :)
[02:24] <Bluekuja> oliver see you later then
[02:24] <ogra> (would be cool if we could ship the scribus pages at the bottom as example content, sadly the CD space doesnt permit that)
[02:25] <Bluekuja> yep
[02:25] <Bluekuja> it would be really nice
[02:25] <ogra> we should probably have a wikipage with such content we can point to from the about doc or from the default homepage
[02:25] <jsgotangco> sure
[02:25] <Bluekuja> yep exactly
[02:26] <Bluekuja> ogra: will you be available tomorrow for the cc meeting?
[02:26] <ogra> sure
[02:26] <Bluekuja> okie great ;)
[02:26] <ogra> but we'll also hold our own EC meeting on wednesday
[02:27] <cbx33> juliux, sorry just hit reply
[02:27] <juliux> cbx33, no problem, i also send my e-mail not to the list
[02:28] <cbx33> ogra, so EC meeting is wednesday?
[02:28] <ogra> use the "reply to list" function of your mailprogram
[02:28] <cbx33> I did it in haste
[02:28] <Bluekuja> hi pete
[02:28] <cbx33> hi Bluekuja 
[02:28] <Bluekuja> ;)
[02:28] <ogra> cbx33, we said the first meeting in every month should be a EC meeting
[02:28] <juliux> hm i have no reply to list button in evolution
[02:28] <cbx33> ahhh nice
[02:28] <ogra> juliux, ctrl-L
[02:28] <Bluekuja> so the wednesday one will be an ec meeting
[02:28] <Bluekuja> the time
[02:29] <ogra> (dunno where in the menu it is, i never used it from there)
[02:29] <juliux> ogra, thxs
[02:29] <Bluekuja> ogra: the time is confirmed for 12:00 UCT ?
[02:29] <cbx33> that's good for me :D
[02:29] <Bluekuja> i was looking in fridge ecents
[02:29] <Bluekuja> *events
[02:29] <cbx33> right I gotta dash out
[02:30] <cbx33> be back later on
[02:30] <Bluekuja> okie
[02:30] <Bluekuja> ciao pete
[02:30] <cbx33> Bluekuja, we'll have a chat about the doc a little later if you'll be here
[02:30] <ogra> Bluekuja, we wanted to move it to the evening (20:00 UTC) but there was no confirmation from JaneW yet, so i fear we'll have to stick with 12:00 UTC for thie time
[02:30] <cbx33> ogra, you gonnabe around later?
[02:30] <Bluekuja> ok ogra great
[02:30] <ogra> s/thie/this/
[02:30] <Bluekuja> i'll be there
[02:30] <cbx33> ogra, our guinea pig didn;t make it :(
[02:31] <ogra> cbx33, later in the evening, yes
[02:31] <ogra> OH no :(
[02:31] <cbx33> yeh, infected womb
[02:31] <cbx33> she just never got over the operation
[02:31] <cbx33> bbl
[02:31] <ogra> my condolence :/
[02:31] <ogra> also to your wife
[02:32] <Bluekuja> i have to go
[02:32] <Bluekuja> cya to all
[02:32] <Bluekuja> ill be available later
[02:32] <Bluekuja> for the doc
[02:32] <Bluekuja> ;)
[02:38] <cbx33> ogra, had a great idea
[02:38] <cbx33> what if I could do the scribus pages in html format
[02:38] <cbx33> :p
[02:39] <cbx33> that be more useful to you?
[02:41] <jsgotangco> how would it look if you print it?
[02:41] <lucasvo> cbx33: maybe pdf/ps would be better for printing
[02:41] <jsgotangco> (compared to a more predictive pdf output)
[02:53] <cbx33> well ogra was talking about inc;usion into th cd
[02:54] <cbx33> and howc scribus would be too big
[02:54] <cbx33> so i offered an alternative
[02:54] <cbx33> ;p
[02:54] <cbx33> bbl
[03:18] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: ping?
[04:12] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: pong
[04:12] <jsgotangco> hmm i fixed it already nevermind :)
[04:21] <zakame> hi all! =)
[04:22] <pygi> hi zakame
[04:23] <zakame> hi pygi!
[04:23] <highvoltage> hi zakame 
[04:23] <zakame> hello highvoltage! :D
[04:23] <highvoltage> :)
[04:24] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: i was about to ask about the plone css for proto, but i managed to make my own
[04:25] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: plone!?
[04:25] <pygi> o highvoltage is alive =P
[04:26] <highvoltage> pygi: barely
[04:26] <jsgotangco> well i thought it came from plone (most of the sites used the plone css)
[04:27] <zakame> ogra: around? =)
[04:27] <pygi> highvoltage: what happened this time? =P
[04:28] <highvoltage> pygi: hehe. just came from gym and discovered how unfit i've become the past few weeks :)
[04:28] <jsgotangco> bah
[04:28] <jsgotangco> thats one thing i should do too
[04:29] <jsgotangco> actually there's a gym just in front of my house
[04:29] <pygi> highvoltage: bah =P you should be writing chapters 
[04:29] <zakame> lol
[04:29] <highvoltage> pygi: you have no idea!
[04:29] <jsgotangco> its not even a fitness gym
[04:29] <jsgotangco> but a boxing gym
[04:29] <jsgotangco> heh
[04:29] <pygi> highvoltage: no worries 
[04:29] <highvoltage> pygi: i have a chapter that has to be in for the tuxlab cookbook too, tomorrow is first review
[04:30] <highvoltage> pygi: i haven't even touched that today, and i'm only about half way through
[04:30] <jsgotangco> the one in proto is pretty good too for starters
[04:30] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: boxing sounds like more fun than other excercise
[04:30] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: yeah, and i promised ogra too that that would be finished by the end of this weekend :)
[04:31] <highvoltage> (sorry if that sentence didn't make sense)
[04:39] <pygi> highvoltage: well, will you be able to provide all the chapters by May,10th?
[04:40] <highvoltage> pygi: i feel confident that i can.
[04:40] <pygi> highvoltage: nice 
[04:41] <highvoltage> 
[04:42] <jsgotangco> what characters are those?
[04:42] <jsgotangco> alt gr + ?
[04:42] <pygi> code table 4k and something
[04:43] <pygi> there are like 10 of them
[04:43] <pygi> there is*
[05:03] <linuxboy> hi
[05:03] <linuxboy> I'm trying out LTSP in dapper
[05:03] <Yagisan> that character looks like the japanese katakana for "shi" 
[05:03] <linuxboy> apparently audio should work on the clients PC
[05:03] <linuxboy> but it doesn't
[05:03] <linuxboy> any idea why?
[05:03] <Petaris> linuxboy: nasd or esd running?
[05:04] <pygi> Yagisan: hehe 
[05:04] <Petaris> client audio turned on and configured in lts.conf
[05:04] <linuxboy> Petaris: nope. Must i? and howto?
[05:04] <linuxboy> Petaris: where is lts.conf?
[05:05] <Petaris> linuxboy: yoiu only need to have one of those running if you want audio
[05:05] <Petaris> slocate lts.conf
[05:05] <linuxboy> Petaris: in the chroot?
[05:05] <Petaris> the lts.conf is
[05:05] <linuxboy> adrian@turtle:/opt/ltsp/i386$ slocate lts.conf
[05:05] <linuxboy> /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/doc/ltsp-client/examples/lts.conf
[05:05] <linuxboy> adrian@turtle:/opt/ltsp/i386$ 
[05:05] <Petaris> hrm
[05:06] <Petaris> not sure why its in examples
[05:06] <Petaris> but thats the file
[05:06] <pygi> well, example configuration? 
[05:06] <linuxboy> because there is obviously an example file :P where must I put it?
[05:06] <Petaris> I don't recall
[05:07] <Petaris> and my server isn't back running yet
[05:07] <linuxboy> is there a howto?
[05:07] <pygi> linuxboy: not yet I am afraid :-/
[05:08] <linuxboy> pygi: can you help me?
[05:09] <linuxboy> this ltsp seems very hacked into ubuntu
[05:10] <pygi> nah, it's just new
[05:10] <pygi> and it doesn't have docs
[05:10] <pygi> it will have soon tho
[05:10] <linuxboy> new?
[05:10] <linuxboy> its been in there for 2 releases
[05:10] <pygi> this particular one wasn't :-P
[05:11] <linuxboy> its upgraded
[05:11] <linuxboy> its the same thing but newer
[05:11] <pygi> ok, those two things just can't go together =P
[05:11] <linuxboy> what two thing?
[05:11] <pygi> same thing = newer thing
[05:11] <pygi> nah :-/
[05:12] <linuxboy> how do I turn client audio on?
[05:12] <linuxboy> what parameters?
[05:17] <highvoltage> linuxboy: in lts.conf, you need to add a [default]  section, and under that you need to add SOUND=True
[05:18] <highvoltage> linuxboy: btw, this is only the second ubuntu ltsp release, and is already less hacky than any other LTSP implementation under linux.
[05:18] <linuxboy> highvoltage: you didn't say that lts.conf must be in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc
[05:18] <linuxboy> but thanks, I figured it out
[05:19] <linuxboy> oh man
[05:19] <linuxboy> you can't control sound levels
[05:19] <linuxboy> but it works
[05:20] <highvoltage> strange, i can control sound levels on mine.
[05:20] <linuxboy> I can't
[05:20] <highvoltage> linuxboy: file a bug :)
[05:20] <linuxboy> nah
[05:20] <linuxboy> I found too many ;)
[05:20] <linuxboy> I'll give it time
[05:21] <linuxboy> you got local devices to work?
[05:21] <highvoltage> nope, that's for edgy.
[05:22] <linuxboy> oh, it got Deferred, didn't see that
[05:22] <linuxboy> gah. then I can't use it at work
[05:23] <Yagisan> pygi: I know  looks like a nice smiling face, but "shi" is the japanese word for death
[05:23] <Yagisan> linuxboy: you need local devices that bad ?
[05:23] <linuxboy> Yagisan: its for an office
[05:23] <pygi> Yagisan: bah
[05:24] <linuxboy> Yagisan: I can't have tht users running to me because they can't copy music from their flash disks
[05:24] <Yagisan> linuxboy: yeah, I also use mine in an office. I mandated no bloody local devices.
[05:25] <linuxboy> so, I've installed firefox in my chroot
[05:26] <linuxboy> how do I "expose" it as a local app ?
[05:26] <Yagisan> linuxboy: I consider it a security risk at work, hence my hard attitude.
[05:26] <linuxboy> I don't
[05:27] <Yagisan> linuxboy: I deal with other peoples sensitive data. Different priorities for us then.
[05:27] <Yagisan> linuxboy: what do you mean as a local app ?
[05:27] <linuxboy> we do the same
[05:27] <linuxboy> but we keep our bussiness and office seperate
[05:28] <linuxboy> Yagisan: to run on the thin client
[05:28] <Yagisan> linuxboy: why ? do you gain a benefit that outweighs running it on the ltsp server ?
[05:29] <linuxboy> Yagisan: lets say all my thin clients are P4 2.4 with 512MB ram.
[05:29] <linuxboy> I want to run firefox and OOo on the thin client
[05:29] <linuxboy> so they don't choke up the server
[05:30] <Petaris> Is there any easy way to get xfce and its goodies installed?
[05:30] <Yagisan> I see. I don't have issues with either on my server myself. brb - need to check my kids
[05:30] <linuxboy> Petaris: apt-get install xubuntu?
[05:31] <linuxboy> Yagisan: we haven't got a thin client setup. But we want to do this type of thing. Its for a bigger project
[05:31] <Petaris> linuxboy: is xubuntu a virtual package or something?
[05:32] <linuxboy> Petaris: i think so. I've never done it
[05:32] <linuxboy> Petaris: what does it depend on?
[05:32] <highvoltage> linuxboy: you can't press a button to 'expose' it yet, as i told you this morning, that's a feature for edgy
[05:32] <highvoltage> Petaris: the xfce virtual package is xubuntu-desktop
[05:32] <linuxboy> highvoltage: what?
[05:33] <highvoltage> 17:25 < linuxboy> how do I "expose" it as a local app ?
[05:33] <linuxboy> highvoltage: i know. I'm not looking for a button
[05:33] <linuxboy> highvoltage: I'm trying to see if there is a quick 'n' easy way to hack it
[05:33] <linuxboy> http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LocalAppFirefox
[05:33] <linuxboy> ^^^
[05:33] <linuxboy> there is some hack job
[05:33] <Petaris> highvoltage: cool
[05:35] <highvoltage> linuxboy: that's for the old-style ltsp though
[05:35] <linuxboy> aaah
[05:37] <highvoltage> linuxboy: there's currently two kinds of ltsp's
[05:37] <highvoltage> linuxboy: the traditional, and meukow
[05:37] <linuxboy> ok
[05:37] <highvoltage> initially, the ltsp chroot was a complete red had system.
[05:37] <highvoltage> *red hat
[05:37] <linuxboy> which is ubuntu using?
[05:37] <highvoltage> then later they wrote the entire chroot from scratch
[05:38] <highvoltage> and used what's called the ltsp build environment, which adds lots of development overhead.
[05:38] <highvoltage> ubuntu is using meukow
[05:38] <highvoltage> meukow is a move to get away from the old-style LTSP
[05:38] <highvoltage> all the distro's are slowly moving to it
[05:38] <Yagisan> meukow is a much better system
[05:38] <Petaris> What is meukow?
[05:38] <highvoltage> so meukow LTSP uses the distro's own packages, not some weird tarball or hacked together system.
[05:39] <linuxboy> makes sense
[05:39] <Petaris> hrm
[05:39] <highvoltage> meukow also uses more standard stuff, and moves away from things like ltspfs to things like dbus and friends.
[05:39] <highvoltage> Petaris: new generation ltsp
[05:39] <Petaris> ahh
[05:39] <Yagisan> linuxboy: I've been commercially running it for about 9 months. no issues unlike old-style
[05:39] <highvoltage> meukow's design also makes *installing* local apps easier. although running them in an easy and secure way isn't implemented yet.
[05:40] <linuxboy> Yagisan: ok. We are going to build a system where the chroot gets pulled out a svn repo.
[05:42] <Yagisan> linuxboy: why ? it is very easy to recreate the chroot as needed.
[05:42] <Yagisan> linuxboy: use an apt-cacher or similar system, and you don't even need to waste bandwidth re-downloading the .debs
[05:44] <linuxboy> Yagisan: don't worry. The project is bigger then just that.
[05:47] <Yagisan> linuxboy: in my personal experience, the only apps I may find a benefit in moving to local apps are long lived cpu-intensive apps, eg encoding, mass encryption/decryption
[05:48] <Yagisan> linuxboy: in anycase, if you install now, it will be a smooth upgrade to the next relase
[05:48] <linuxboy> lived cpu-intensive apps
[05:48] <linuxboy> firefox
[05:48] <linuxboy> openoffice
[05:48] <linuxboy> they both fit that
[05:48] <linuxboy> the bloated pigs
[05:48] <Yagisan> linuxboy: firefox is not a cpu-intensive app
[05:48] <linuxboy> Yagisan: you seen it lately
[05:48] <linuxboy> Yagisan: its not lightweight anymore
[05:48] <Yagisan> neither is OOo. memory intensive yes, but not cpu intensive
[05:49] <linuxboy> ok sure
[05:49] <linuxboy> but firefox is really that bad
[05:49] <linuxboy> lately is been loving my CPU
[05:49] <Yagisan> linuxboy: I think you'l find it is that flash plugin, not firefox
[05:50] <linuxboy> it is. but still... firefox doesn't seem to handle it nicely
[05:52] <Yagisan> linuxboy: my firefox (without flash), and 2 users atm is using 1.3% cpu. flash, and sun java plugins are the cpu hogs. we can't do much about flash and java - that is macromedia and sun's problem.
[05:58] <linuxboy> isn't that where gplflash (or what ever the new projects name is) will come in?
[05:58] <highvoltage> gnu gnash isn't packaged yet.
[05:59] <Yagisan> linuxboy: perhaps, I expect it will be in edgy
[05:59] <highvoltage> probably in the future, yes. (we hope :) )
[05:59] <linuxboy> highvoltage: is thats whats its called?
[05:59] <highvoltage> linuxboy: yep
[05:59] <linuxboy> I thought it was still aplha
[05:59] <highvoltage> http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/
[05:59] <linuxboy> heck, if its usable, I'll use it and package it
[06:00] <highvoltage> it's pre-alpha
[06:00] <highvoltage> it's usable, and better than the free-flash player
[06:00] <linuxboy> how does it compare to the official flash player?
[06:01] <highvoltage> it's not 100% implemented yet.
[06:01] <linuxboy> *sigh* i think I'll leave it for now
[06:01] <highvoltage> non-interactive stuff is mostly Ok, but when it gets interactive, it's not fuly implemented yet.
[06:01] <highvoltage> Yagisan: hehe. PRIVOXY!
[06:02] <highvoltage> and firefox flash-add blocker :)
[06:02] <Yagisan> highvoltage: privoxy is nice, but putting the server on amd64 worked quicker ;)
[06:03] <Yagisan> highvoltage: there was a reason I wrote that 64bit server with 32bit clients patch for ltsp (which in now in dapper)
[06:04] <highvoltage> Yagisan: dapper now support full multiarch. you can even have ppc hosted on amd64 or i386. or is that your work too?
[06:05] <Yagisan> highvoltage: initial work by me, but I never got the ppc stuff done because I don't have ppc, so I believe ogra finished it off
[06:07] <Yagisan> highvoltage: I don't actually see full multiarch in the source
[06:09] <highvoltage> Yagisan: how did your multiarch work? i think ogra's one works the same no matter which arch you use. there's a wiki page too for it somewhere...
[06:15] <Yagisan> highvoltage: see the --arch i386 or --arch powerpc commands on the ltsp-build-client script. Thats my work. IIRC either ogra or mdz changed the commands to --arch xxx, while my original patch was --i386 or --powerpc
[06:16] <Yagisan> highvoltage: when qemu is in a workable state, I'll try again to add powerpc clients to amd64 or i386 servers
[06:17] <Bluekuja> hi yagisan
[06:17] <Bluekuja> hi highvoltage
[06:17] <Yagisan> G'day Bluekuja
[06:17] <Bluekuja> guys someone knows what Gnome-Partitionierungsmanager is?
[06:18] <Bluekuja> i'm checking lp bugs
[06:18] <Bluekuja> i think that he means gparted
[06:19] <Bluekuja> jon, yagisan suggestions?
[06:19] <highvoltage> hi Bluekuja 
[06:19] <Bluekuja> hi jon :)
[06:19] <highvoltage> Bluekuja: i have no idea
[06:19] <Bluekuja> do you know what Gnome-Partitionierungsmanager is?
[06:19] <Bluekuja> oh okie
[06:20] <Bluekuja> ok then 
[06:22] (Bluekuja/#edubuntu) yep
[06:22] (Bluekuja/#edubuntu) its german
[06:22] (Bluekuja/#edubuntu) so its for  sure gparted
[06:23] (Yagisan/#edubuntu) Bluekuja: probably, I only speak English, and a bit of .
[06:23] (Bluekuja/#edubuntu) heehhe
[06:24] <Bluekuja> when i will find some strange japanase words i'll ask to you
[06:24] <Bluekuja> ^^
[06:24] <Yagisan> Bluekuja: my total german is "gutten tag" which I think is hello
[06:25] <Bluekuja> lol
[06:25] <Yagisan> Bluekuja: I hope I'll understand them then. My Japanese is awful
[06:25] <Bluekuja> ok, i'll teach you some italian
[06:25] <Bluekuja> so you will speak 3 languages
[06:25] <Bluekuja> ^^
[06:28] <Yagisan> Bluekuja: cool. I picked up a bit of italian watching "Inspector Montelbano" on SBS.  Actually, that was rather good. IIRC you answer the phone with "pronto"
[06:28] <Bluekuja> ahha
[06:28] <Bluekuja> really nice man
[06:28] <highvoltage> pronto here means "i want it done yesterday!"
[06:29] <Bluekuja> lol
[06:29] <Bluekuja> nice
[06:29] <Yagisan> highvoltage: don't you mean last week ;)
[06:29] <lucasvo> :)
[06:29] <highvoltage> Yagisan: something like that :p
[06:29] <Bluekuja> nice lucasvo
[06:29] <Bluekuja> i know latin too
[06:29] <Bluekuja> ^^
[06:29] <Yagisan> lucasvo: latin ? isn't that a dead language
[06:29] <Bluekuja> yep it is
[06:30] <Bluekuja> what do you know of italian lucasvo?
[06:30] <lucasvo> Yagisan: yes, I had to learn it in school
[06:30] <Yagisan> so, how do you know if you pronounce it correctly
[06:30] <lucasvo> Bluekuja: ohhh, I hate it, Non mi piace, il Italiano. Preferisco l'Inghlese
[06:30] <Bluekuja> haha
[06:30] <Bluekuja> nice
[06:31] <lucasvo> oh, it should say l'Italiano
[06:31] <Bluekuja> yep
[06:31] <Bluekuja> and if i ask you di dove sei?
[06:31] <Bluekuja> cosa risponderesti?
[06:31] <lucasvo> Sono di Zurigo, e tu?
[06:31] <lucasvo> or e Lei?
[06:32] <Bluekuja> Udine, conosci?
[06:32] <lucasvo> No, non conosco, e in Italia? Nord o Sud?
[06:33] <Bluekuja> Nord-est vicino a venezia^^
[06:34] <lucasvo> Nel Lombardia? 
[06:35] <Bluekuja> no^^ ,friul-venezia-giulia
[06:35] <Bluekuja> *friuli
[06:35] <Bluekuja> venezia  in veneto
[06:35] <lucasvo> non lo conosco
[06:35] <Bluekuja> spero tu conosca  venezia no?
[06:35] <lucasvo> si lo conosco
[06:35] <Bluekuja> okie bene direi
[06:36] <Bluekuja> remember to put si la conosco
[06:36] <Bluekuja> not si lo conosco
[06:36] <Bluekuja> ;)
[06:36] <Yagisan> finally, the kids are asleep. Time to go spend some time with the woman that vaguely looks like my wife
[06:37] <Bluekuja> lol
[06:37] <lucasvo> VeneziA, not VeneziO
[06:37] <Bluekuja> good evening then
[06:37] <highvoltage> Yagisan: won't your wife be angry if you spend time with the one that almost looks like her?
[06:37] <Yagisan> Bluekuja: evening ? it's almost 3am
[06:37] <Bluekuja> yep lucasvo
[06:37] <Bluekuja> lol
[06:37] <Bluekuja> i was talking in italian time
[06:37] <Bluekuja> hehehe
[06:38] <lucasvo> italian time?
[06:38] <Bluekuja> yep
[06:38] <lucasvo> aha, yeah, GMT+2
[06:38] <Bluekuja> GMT+1
[06:38] <Bluekuja> its gmt+1
[06:38] <lucasvo> well we have daylight savings
[06:38] <Yagisan> highvoltage: only if she remembers what I look like
[06:38] <lucasvo> gmt also has daylight savings?
[06:39] <lucasvo> or is it UTC without daylightsavings?
[06:39] <Bluekuja> mmm
[06:40] <Bluekuja> yes also in gmt there are
[06:40] <lucasvo> ok
[06:40] <lucasvo> so it's gmt+1
[06:40] <Bluekuja> yep
[06:41] <Bluekuja> its 18:40 here
[06:41] <Bluekuja> same for highvoltage
[06:42] <Bluekuja> gmt+2 is for places like Athens,Bucarest, Cairo etc
[06:43] <linuxboy> and south africa
[06:44] <linuxboy> well, thats where highvoltage is
[06:44] <Bluekuja> yep
[06:45] <Bluekuja> linuxboy: is the second time that i see you here, are you involved in some projects?
[06:46] <linuxboy> Bluekuja: I'm your average linux guy
[06:46] <linuxboy> Bluekuja: I use ubuntu and I work at an ISP
[06:46] <Bluekuja> really nice
[06:46] <linuxboy> Bluekuja: you?
[06:47] <Bluekuja> https://launchpad.net/people/bluekuja
[06:47] <linuxboy> Bluekuja: I assume you're an ltsp guy?
[06:48] <Bluekuja> linuxboy: just check that page :)
[06:49] <linuxboy> Bluekuja: just did.
[06:49] <Bluekuja> ;)
[06:52] <Bluekuja> linuxboy, you're involved in some ubuntu projects?
[06:53] <linuxboy> nope
[06:53] <Bluekuja> oh okie 
[06:55] <linuxboy> i should be
[06:55] <linuxboy> but I do a little of this and a little of that
[06:55] <Bluekuja> every help is appreciated
[06:55] <Bluekuja> :)
[06:57] <Bluekuja> so if you have in a day only 10 minutes free and you work for ubuntu in that time,it's a great thing
[06:58] <Bluekuja> everyone do how much he can 
[06:59] <linuxboy> yeah
[06:59] <linuxboy> my current intrest is www.s1mp3.org
[06:59] <Bluekuja> nice
[06:59] <Bluekuja> :)
[07:00] <Bluekuja> brb 10 min
[07:10] <LaserJock> cbx33: you around?
[07:13] <cbx33> yup
[07:14] <cbx33> LaserJock, ping :p
[07:15] <LaserJock> cbx33: I've got a suggestion for EdubuntuSchoolAdvocacy
[07:15] <cbx33> ok want to move to
[07:15] <cbx33> #edubuntu-doc
[07:15] <LaserJock> oh, sure
[07:37] <Petaris> hrm
[07:37] <Petaris> there is no gtypist package
[07:38] <LaserJock> Petaris: it is in the Universe repo
[07:39] <Petaris> ahh
[07:39] <Petaris> cool
[07:39] <Petaris> It works great for teaching typing
[07:41] <Petaris> LaserJock: What is the Univers repositories source address?
[07:41] <LaserJock> Petaris: what do you mean exactly?
[07:41] <Petaris> oh never mind
[07:42] <Petaris> there in there just commented out
[07:42] <Petaris> is it dapper-security universe or just dapper universe?
[07:44] <Petaris> ok, dapper universe I think
[07:46] <LaserJock> I think there is a dapper-security for universe but that won't be usefull until dapper has been released
[07:55] <Petaris> ok
[07:55] <Petaris> I found it
[08:38] <cbx33> ogra, ping
[08:38] <cbx33> filed new bug
[08:38] <cbx33> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdeedu/+bug/42434
[08:54] <cbx33> do specifications have to be for software, could they be for another resource that is needed for ubutnu?
[08:56] <LaserJock> cbx33: they can be for non-software suff
[08:56] <LaserJock> s/suff/stuff/
[08:57] <cbx33> LaserJock, thankls
[09:04] <Petaris> what do I need to do to get ltsp working after install?
[09:05] <Petaris> ie net setup, services to start
[09:06] <cbx33> Petaris, do you have an existing DHCP server on your network?
[09:07] <Petaris> cbx: yes but the terminals won't be able to see it
[09:07] <Petaris> I'm using a two nic setup
[09:08] <Petaris> eth1 goes to the main network, eth0 goes to the gbit switches the clients will be on
[09:09] <Petaris> er, cbx33: that was meant for you
[09:14] <Petaris> cbx33: Is there a doc that tells what all needs to be done to get ltsp working after installation?
[09:14] <cbx33> um...
[09:15] <cbx33> as far as I know, there isn;t much to do...
[09:15] <cbx33> but I run a 1 nic setup
[09:15] <Petaris> ahh
[09:15] <cbx33> Petaris, you have just highlighted there needs to be more docs for this
[09:15] <Petaris> cbx33: Somehow I have a hard time beliving I'm the first
[09:15] <cbx33> indeed
[09:16] <Petaris> What did you do in your dhcpd.conf file?
[09:18] <cbx33> I didn't
[09:18] <cbx33> :p
[09:18] <cbx33> I have a windows DHCP server
[09:18] <cbx33> I wrtoe the docs for getting it to work with that :p
[09:18] <cbx33> but there are some docs on the wiki
[09:18] <cbx33> search for LTSP
[09:18] <Petaris> ok, I'l take a look
[09:19] <Petaris> Are you authenticating to AD by any chance?
[09:19] <cbx33> not yet
[09:19] <cbx33> but I'm also working on those docs
[09:20] <cbx33> Petaris, are you running on a windows network
[09:20] <cbx33> I have also put in the docs about runnign a multiboot system
[09:20] <cbx33> so you can choose to use the LTSP or run the windows one off the HDD
[09:21] <Petaris> cbx33: I am currently running a win2k network, I would be interested in having AD do the auth so I don't have to recreate users
[09:22] <Petaris> I am planning to switch to Novell OES in the near future
[09:23] <cbx33> ah
[09:23] <cbx33> Petaris, I'm looking to do the same thing very soon
[09:24] <cbx33> I think it's essential if edubuntu is oing to take off
[09:24] <lucasvo> I think it is planned for edgy or edgy+1
[09:24] <Petaris> hrm
[09:24] <Petaris> my smb share wont mount
[09:26] <cbx33> lucasvo, really?
[09:26] <cbx33> excelent
[09:27] <cbx33> I created a spec for it
[09:27] <lucasvo> cbx33: well in general for ubuntu
[09:27] <lucasvo> yes
[09:27] <lucasvo> cbx33: I think there already is one
[09:27] <lucasvo> but don't quote me on that
[09:27] <Petaris> /AVALON/E-lab_share /serv/elem smbfs   nosuid,nodev,noexec,credentials=/etc/samba/auth.smb,uid=username,gid=username,fmask=666,dmask=777 0 0
[09:28] <Petaris> it cut off the first / but does anyone see a problem with that?
[09:29] <Petaris> the /etc/samba/auth.smb files exists and contains the correct info
[10:06] <Petaris> later all
[10:07] <Yagisan> !seen hedgemage
[10:07] <ubotu> hedgemage <i=HedgeMag@freenode/staff/HedgeMage> was last seen on IRC in channel #ubuntu, 11h 58m 54s ago, saying: 'it'll be up soon, just be patient :)'.
[10:29] <pygi> ogra: ping 
[11:27] <cbx33> ogra, found another few bugs in the live cd
[11:28] <pygi> cbx33: I'll call you the bug tracker if you don't oppose 
[11:30] <cbx33> no
[11:30] <cbx33> not at all
[11:31] <cbx33> :p
[11:31] <pygi> cbx33: ok 
[11:31] <pygi> on the other hand, I don't think ogra is here right now 
[11:31] <cbx33> no doesn't seem that way
[11:31] <pygi> whats the bug this time?
[11:32] <cbx33> um two
[11:32] <cbx33> one with ubiquity
[11:32] <cbx33> and the other with khangman
[11:32] <pygi> gah :-/
[11:32] <pygi> serious ones?
[11:32] <cbx33> um...
[11:32] <cbx33> khangman won;t run at all
[11:33] <cbx33> on this laptop
[11:33] <cbx33> not sure y
[11:33] <pygi> hm, and whats wrong with ubiquity?
[11:33] <cbx33> when you go to set time and then click next it crashes
[11:34] <pygi> yes, I know about that one :-/
[11:34] <pygi> also, sometimes it happens with partitioning as well (next --> crash)
[11:34] <cbx33> yes
[11:34] <cbx33> i couldnt find a bug report so i refiled one
[11:41] <pygi> cbx33: nice, number?
[11:42] <cbx33> hang onI'll get them
[11:43] <cbx33> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdeedu/+bug/42434
[11:43] <cbx33> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/42447
[11:44] <pygi> cbx33: I'll take a look now
[11:45] <cbx33> pygi, ok
[11:46] <pygi> I just confirmed bug No.2
[11:46] <cbx33> thanks
[11:46] <pygi> the No.1 seems odd :-/
[11:46] <cbx33> yes very
[11:46] <cbx33> havn't had time to investigate yet
[11:47] <cbx33> but it definitely doesn't work
[11:48] <pygi> cbx33: heh :-/
[11:48] <pygi> I'll try to look into it more tommorow
[11:48] <pygi> which is in like 12 minutes =P
[11:48] <cbx33> heheh
[11:48] <cbx33> 1hr 12 mins here
[11:49] <pygi> 
[11:50] <pygi> we should really get rid of all that flies =P
[11:50] <cbx33> heheh
[11:51] <pygi> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/42418
[11:51] <pygi> so much bugs :-/