[12:09] <\sh> ok last try for now .... need to sleep a bit more then last morning :( [12:10] \sh: yes [12:10] <\sh> Riddell: but I think it has something to do with unicode to qstring conversion... [12:11] <\sh> because it crashes when it tries to fill in the language listviewitems [12:11] I can believe that [12:12] <\sh> I did now this: take the python unicode string, then temp=choice.decode('utf-8'); tString=QString(temp)...which should work somehow lets see... [12:12] <\sh> just building the package again :) [12:13] <\sh> and QListViewItem needs a qstring not a python unicode string .. [12:13] <\sh> let's see [12:13] <\sh> http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/Unicode.html this guy is so right :) === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === toma is now known as toma_ === Lure [n=lure@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel === \sh__ [n=shermann@xdsl-81-173-252-28.netcologne.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === \sh__ is now known as \sh === kmon [n=javier@217.Red-80-25-51.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jjesse [i=user@69-87-143-215.async.iserv.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lorenzod [n=lordan@63.218.103.162] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying-ibook [n=freeflyi@222.33.71.116] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh [n=clay@bb-66-63-100-239.gwi.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:29] hi everyone :) [06:30] hello Hobbsee :) === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === NeoChaosX [n=nael@ppp-71-139-170-173.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === imbrandon [n=brandon@unaffiliated/imbrandon] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying-ibook [n=freeflyi@222.33.71.116] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:39] Riddell: ping [08:39] anyone know if there are some patches in kubuntu relating to janus widget? [08:39] like on-mouse-over highlight? [08:40] let's see [08:41] Riddell: dang [08:41] Riddell: the januswidget patch that does the highlighting on mouseover crashes adept_installer [08:42] mornfall: adept still can not work with scim [08:42] freeflying-ibook: there was an upstream patch for scim wasn't there? [08:43] mornfall: no [08:43] well, i am more concerned by problems caused by adept code [08:43] it's a scim problem wrt adept freezing [08:44] mornfall: liucougar give a patch for scim, but it has secure problem,also it will let adept works [08:45] freeflying-ibook: ah, okey then -- is there some chance the patch will be secured and used? [08:46] i cannot fix adept w/ scim myself, other than have the scim module disabled for adept and someone else would have to do that [08:46] mornfall: haven't yet,you know now only adept can not work with scim [08:46] since i have no idea how that can be done [08:47] mornfall: than use a dirty way : export QT_IM_MODULE=xim when start adept [08:49] freeflying-ibook: yes, but how can i get that into a .desktop file? [08:49] one could make a wrapper .sh script but that's considerably evil [08:50] how about add it to adept to unset QT_IM_MODULE when start [08:51] freeflying-ibook: can you try adding setenv( "QT_IM_MODULE=xim" ); to manager/main.cpp and just before QString description = i18n("Adept Manager"); [08:52] freeflying-ibook: and try rebuilding if it helps? [08:52] mornfall: I can do it after my vacation, heh [08:52] freeflying-ibook: and #include at start of file with other includes [08:53] freeflying-ibook: sure [08:53] freeflying-ibook: or if you know someone else able to reproduce the bug, tell him :) [08:53] mornfall: okey [08:53] freeflying-ibook: i can also try to add it to next release and see what happens, but i cannot test [08:54] mornfall: I will test at May,5 [08:54] freeflying-ibook: ah, and s/setenv/putenv/ [08:54] it compiles now :) [08:55] mornfall: seems you'd unset it firsdtly [08:56] freeflying-ibook: http://lorien.mornfall.net:8012/m/adept-xim.patch if you get to test before there is a deb with the fix [08:56] freeflying-ibook: putenv overwrites the current value, so no need to unsett [08:56] -t [09:00] mornfall: can you build on a ppc? then I can test it :) [09:01] can't [09:01] don't have any [09:01] :) [09:02] when someone buys me an ibook i can build on ppc :p === pradeepto [n=pradeept@dialpool-210-214-13-42.maa.sify.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === pradeepto [n=pradeept@dialpool-210-214-13-42.maa.sify.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:03] mornfall: heh, http://www.linuxsymposium.org/2006/essay_contest.php [09:03] but it only provide intel's === mornfall has a single core centrino laptop [09:07] and i guess next one will be a core architecture cpu ;-) [09:07] i hope === pradeepto [n=pradeept@dialpool-210-214-13-42.maa.sify.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Huahua [n=hua_@222.50.183.45] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Oculus [n=oculus@pD9508855.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === pradeepto [n=pradeept@dialpool-210-214-13-42.maa.sify.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:17] who needs what built on ppc? i can build some stuff on mine in a few hours ( btw mornfall if you just need ppc for dev stuff check out pearpc ppc emulator ;0 ) [09:19] imbrandonuild it for test?: mornfall need build adept with some patch, so would you like b === pradeepto [n=pradeept@dialpool-210-214-13-42.maa.sify.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:20] imbrandon: ahem emulator... [09:20] imbrandon: i have better things to spend my time on than ppc emulator :P [09:20] heh well i just ment to build ppc packages ;) but yea i know what you mean [09:20] if it breaks on ppc someone on ppc can fix it :) === pradeepto [n=pradeept@dialpool-210-214-13-42.maa.sify.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:21] true true [09:21] or bribe me to fix it [09:21] ;-) [09:21] with a ppc lappy ;) [09:21] oh, i am usually cheaper than that :) [09:21] but i wouldn't mind [09:21] heh [09:22] i bought a few ( 2 ) g3's on ebay that should be here any day JUST for building ppc linux stuff ;)_ [09:22] got both for less than 50$ hopefully they both work [09:22] lol [09:22] imbrandon: it's quite cheap :) [09:23] considering g4 is slow by contemporary measure, i am not too surprized [09:23] yea but they are slow machines, like i said just for dev stuff though so it should be ok i think the "fast" one is a 300mhz with 256mb ram [09:24] hi guys [09:24] 'ello [09:24] hi Tonio_ [09:24] someone has an idea where Riddell is stuck? ;-) [09:24] (i guess his bed, but still) [09:24] mornfall: just noticed there are few icons missing in adept (right clicking, request install etc..) [09:24] do you need some or is it already on the way to be added ? [09:25] mornfall: probably sleeping ;) [09:25] let's see [09:27] Tonio_: part of the icons missing are probably bug [09:28] mornfall: ah ? want a launchpad bug report ? [09:28] there are no purge and reinstall icons at all [09:28] and the rest should be there it probably just gone awry in the code [09:29] ok [09:29] mornfall: interested in a purge and reinstall icon ? I can make one [09:29] 16x16 I assume ? === Tonio_ is filling a launchpad bug [09:31] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/ept/+bug/42318 [09:31] Malone bug 42318 in ept "Icons missing in Adept" [Normal,Unconfirmed] [09:33] mornfall: another thing, concerning "add/remove programs" [09:33] mornfall: I notice it only displays icons for installed programs, while the gnome tool displays all softwares icons in anycase. [09:34] mornfall: maybe that's just your decision and not a bug, but in case I'm asking ;) [09:37] Tonio_: gnome tool displays all icons for kde apps? [09:37] Tonio_: because last time i checked they weren't installed so that's why it doesn't work [09:37] mornfall: yes, just tested ;) [09:38] mornfall: ah no not for kde apps, but globally, you see all softwares' icons, installed or not [09:38] the adept component display's icons for installed apps [09:38] Tonio_: umm? [09:38] Tonio_: you are confusing me [09:38] mornfall: let me show you screenshots :) [09:38] Tonio_: adept_installer uses same source for icons as gnome-app-install [09:38] mornfall: well... I don't know ;) [09:39] show me and we'll see [09:39] mornfall: ahhhhhhh [09:39] mornfall: don't mind, that's due to the icoins pack, all gnome icons are there, but not the kde apps [09:39] so I assume if I compare the same software category, tha'll be the same [09:39] Tonio_: exactly what i thought :] [09:39] mornfall: no need to compare, I was wrong [09:40] that's a known problem, bug Riddell to bug mvo to include the icons [09:40] mornfall: sure === pef [n=loic@ubuntu/member/pef] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jeroenvrp [n=jeroenvr@k-uptown.xs4all.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jeroenvrp [n=jeroenvr@k-uptown.xs4all.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === pradeepto [n=pradeept@dialpool-210-214-14-30.maa.sify.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === caleb- [n=caleb@219-84-15-89-adsl-tpe.STATIC.so-net.net.tw] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jeroenvrp2 [n=jeroenvr@k-uptown.xs4all.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:18] Tonio_: icons are bac [10:18] back* [10:19] Tonio_: however thhe purge/reinstall ones are still missing [10:23] mornfall: what size do you need ? [10:23] menu icons [10:23] so 22 [10:23] they aren't anywhere else than in that context menu [10:24] okay are the other icons in the sources ? [10:24] I will take them as an example and make you 2 little icons today :) [10:25] yes, other icons are in source [10:26] mornfall: nice, so you may get the missing icons today (hopefully) [10:27] Tonio_: i would think that adept_update icon (the 2 arrows around) could be used for reinstall too [10:27] Tonio_: maybe in blue colour? [10:27] mornfall: I was thinking about something like a loop [10:27] circle or something... [10:27] yeah, adept_update is a loop :) [10:27] concerning the purgin, I may use the remove one, but with red colors [10:28] that would be quite explicit [10:28] remove is already red [10:28] hu ? I have green here...... [10:28] oh it isn't [10:28] good, good [10:28] mornfall: svn acces plz ? that would help maybe ;) [10:28] Tonio_: hmm? [10:28] what's with svn access? :) [10:28] it's on svn.kde.org, if you have account you can commit [10:29] getting latest sources to be sure I have the good icons here, unless you confirm there hasn't been any change concerning colors recently [10:29] i didn't change icons since 1.0 i think [10:30] the dapper icons are the most recent you can get [10:31] mornfall: perfect [10:31] otherwise svn+ssh:/svn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/playground/sysadmin/ept [10:31] when you need something in svn [10:32] someone using non-english? [10:33] is do, please check if this bug is also on your system: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kde-i18n-nl/+bug/42323 [10:33] Malone bug 42323 in kde-i18n-nl "Menu's are mixed Dutch/English" [Normal,Unconfirmed] === kmon [n=javier@217.Red-80-25-51.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:34] Hi. [10:34] does the new installer support LVM? === \sh [n=shermann@unaffiliated/sh/x-000000002] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying-ibook [n=freeflyi@222.33.71.116] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:37] I've added to the google soc 2006 suggestions [10:39] <\sh> Riddell: ok..I tried some pieces of code to solve the problem...looks like, that I really need to reproduce it with an easier piece of source === allee [n=ach@dialin-212-144-128-215.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:50] guys the partition table on my laptop got hosed due to beta 1 [10:50] jeroenvrp2: known problem, I confirmed your bug, since same with french here [10:50] Riddell: told me to do gpart -W /dev/hda /dev/hda to fix it. [10:50] pradeepto: known problem, try beta2 [10:50] Tonio_: ah great [10:50] good to now [10:51] unfortunately I cant because I dont have net connection to do a apt-get gpart [10:51] kmon: I know but I have data and want to fix it if possible. [10:51] neither do I have a usb stick or cross cable to get the debs [10:52] any other solutions? [10:52] pradeepto: maybe you can boot with the live cd and installed there gpart [10:52] freeflying-ibook: gcin 1.1.9 has been released. I have uploaded it to REVU. :-) [10:52] s/installed/install [10:52] kmon: how will install gpart [10:52] caleb-: okey [10:53] I said I have no access to the net on the machine [10:53] and I dont have a usb stick or cross cable [10:53] pradeepto: ok, sorry [10:53] no problemi [10:53] caleb-: is gcin in dapper avaliable? [10:53] can fdisk solve this problem? [10:53] pradeepto: dunno [10:54] fdisk/cfdisk? [10:54] freeflying-ibook: seems not... === jeroenvrp2 is now known as jeroenvrp [10:55] pradeepto: I'm afraid I don't know how to help you [10:57] kmon: its alright === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === cmvo [n=cmvo@62.225.11.174] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:09] mornfall: new icons over [11:09] mornfall: mornfallhttp://www.planetemu.net/temp/new_icons.tar.gz [11:10] http://www.planetemu.net/temp/new_icons.tar.gz [11:10] sorry ;) [11:10] mornfall: so I added red for purging, and concerning reinstall, I based on the update one, but horizontal mirror to revert the loop, and converted to blue [11:10] mornfall: I hope it is what you want ;) [11:11] <\sh> Riddell: which function calls set_language_choices , looks like that it's a callback somehow [11:11] \sh: yop [11:11] <\sh> found it :) [11:12] <\sh> components/language.py [11:12] hello, someone familiar with ubiquity ? [11:12] pef: not myself, why ? [11:13] <\sh> in what way? [11:14] I'm having a crash a the partition step, I have an extra radiobutton without label, which leads to a crash when selected [11:14] in kde-ui.py there are a lot of print "" for debugging purposes I think, but I can't see them on my konsole, why ? [11:14] have I to set ffo_DEBUG=yes somewhere ? :] [11:14] s/ffo/foo/ [11:17] <\sh> pef: x86 or amd64? [11:17] \sh: x86 [11:17] but I think it's plateform independant, certainly a bug in partitions/disk detection [11:21] ok, found :) === jeroenvrp [n=jeroenvr@k-uptown.xs4all.nl] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Get] [11:47] <\sh> Riddell: fixed :) [11:58] <\sh> Riddell: http://linux.blogweb.de/uploads/ubiquity-language-selection.png this is what you want, right? [11:58] good boy \sh :) [11:58] <\sh> well..it wasn't an unicode problem :) [11:59] ok, anyway the article you posted a url to last night was rather good. [11:59] <\sh> not in the first place [11:59] <\sh> uniq: yeah, this guy is absolutley right :) [12:00] no doubt. [12:00] and the same goest for mime-types on webservers. [12:01] <\sh> yepp [12:01] "Hey, lets just use text/plain for everything guys" === Florob [n=Florian@xdsl-213-196-244-252.netcologne.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Huahua [n=hua_@221.172.50.106] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying-ibook [n=freeflyi@222.33.71.116] has joined #kubuntu-devel === marseillai_ [n=marseill@AMarseille-153-1-82-226.w86-209.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === marseillai_ is now known as marseillai [12:46] <\sh> Riddell: you have mail, I'm out for the afternoon now, let [12:46] <\sh> 's talk about the crash later this day :) [12:50] <\sh> and gone :) [12:53] Florob: I sent the patch to Riddell for inclusion in kdebase, should be okay this time ;) [12:54] great, btw somebody else just noticed it wasn't in ;) (see bug report) === jpatrick [n=patrick@ubuntu/member/jpatrick] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:03] Riddell: result: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2316 === |ZuZuu| [n=ZuZubunt@AVelizy-154-1-70-171.w83-204.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === yuriy [n=yuriy@dhcp-129-64-141-181.dorm.brandeis.edu] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:46] jpatrick: excellent [01:46] Tonio_: which patch? [01:47] Riddell: a while ago you said you had been asked about translating your behindubuntu.org interview, was it freeflying-ibook or someone else? [01:48] seaLne: freeflying-ibook did a translation [01:48] yeah [01:50] seaLne: http://kubuntu-es.org/?q=node/3 [01:50] Riddell: gtk-qt-engine non configuring with gnome or xfce [01:50] Riddell: it "was" in but isn't [01:50] so I resent you the patch for inclusion by email [01:50] nice to see i wasn't told about the es translation [01:50] oh yes, jpatrick did it too [01:53] Riddell: no idae what happened, but no need to investigate I think ;) [02:03] Tonio_: can you look at the above revu link? [02:03] mornfall: ping ? [02:03] jpatrick: revu this ? [02:03] or the kubuntu-es one ? [02:03] the revu one [02:03] revu okay, sorry ;) [02:04] I just turned kubuntu-es off ;) [02:05] jpatrick: revuing [02:11] jpatrick: advocated [02:11] fine with me [02:11] woohoo [02:11] Tonio_: pong [02:11] simple package though so it went quick === mornfall catches Riddell [02:11] mornfall: got the icons ? [02:12] now i wonder if Riddell accepted it... [02:12] Tonio_: where where [02:12] mornfall: hi [02:12] jpatrick: what? [02:12] hi Riddell [02:12] kexi-mdb-driver [02:12] mornfall: http://www.planetemu.net/temp/new_icons.tar.gz [02:13] purge = remove in red [02:13] reinstall = update reverted and in blue, to avoid confusion [02:13] tell me if that's okay for you ;) === mornfall grabs and puts them into adept [02:18] Tonio_: yay! [02:18] Tonio_: thanks, they are good :] [02:18] mornfall: pleasure to help [02:18] Tonio_: will include in next upload === kmon [n=javier@217.Red-80-25-51.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:20] hola kmon [02:20] hi jpatrick [02:21] kmon: nice weather we've been having [02:22] sure [02:22] but my karamba applet says it won't last long [02:22] hehe [02:23] commited === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:25] hi Hobbsee [02:25] hey jpatrick :) [02:25] kmon: Liquid Weather? I'm the es i18n-tor for that [02:25] hehe === kmon is moving to-and-from the kitchen === jpatrick is in the kitchen === recovery-newb [n=pradeept@dialpool-210-214-14-30.maa.sify.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:29] kmon: could you read thru: http://kubuntu-es.org/?q=node/3 ? === Hobbsee is munching on dinner, at 10.30pm :P === pradeepto [n=pradeept@dialpool-210-214-14-30.maa.sify.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === pradeepto [n=pradeept@dialpool-210-214-14-30.maa.sify.net] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] [02:42] jpatrick: site off-line [02:42] kmon: one sec [02:43] can't read the article [02:43] ok, now [02:43] I'm off to eat, when I come back I'll read it [02:43] ;) [02:43] just load the page, so I can put it off-line === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:56] jpatrick: ok [02:56] I'm reading it [02:57] there are some things incorrect [02:57] I know that [02:57] do you want me to help you with the corrections? [02:57] yes [02:57] ...please [02:58] maybe we should talk about this in another channel [02:58] #kubuntu-es === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #kubuntu-devel === pradeepto [n=pradeept@dialpool-210-214-14-30.maa.sify.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:25] Riddell: around? [03:26] rrrruaaaaaahhh [03:26] just kill me [03:26] can someboy help me with gpart thingie? [03:28] Tm_T: what's up? [03:32] please? anyone around? === jpatrick has no idea... === Hobbsee has no idea either [03:34] well my laptops partition table got hosed while I was using the beta1 [03:34] I was told to try gpart -W /dev/hda /dev/hda [03:35] did that but I am not quite sure if its output is something that shows that I have my data intact. [03:35] can anybody please tell me what am I supposed to see or whatever [03:36] Hobbsee: just not feeling very well [03:36] :( === Hobbsee hears reports of the espresso installer crashing - ack. [03:37] atleast I did fix mostly the stuff I needed to do before Kopete 0.12 release [03:37] I hope [03:42] also, I have problems with cursor themes [03:49] pradeepto: hi [03:49] Riddell: hi [03:49] Riddell: gpart results were not very encouraging [03:50] it sort of detected only swap partition or such [03:52] Riddell: there is this tool called testdisk which does detect partitions correctly, [03:52] but say that my /home is deleted but I can actually list the files in /home right now. [03:54] might be a good time to take a backup [03:55] Riddell: how do I do that, I can list only from this testdisk tool [03:55] not sure I'm afraid, I've never used it [03:56] Riddell: there is ever *not* a good time to make a backup? *crosses fingers, thinking of her last backup* [03:57] I've not done a backup since I started with this live installer stuff, it uses my normal backup machine [03:57] risky... [03:57] hey btw, anyone knows reason why so many screensavers are disappeared? [03:58] like, there's no more bsod [03:59] humm, about half of screensavers disappeared some point this spring [03:59] Tm_T: did you know if the bsod screensaver could be downloaded for windows? [03:59] Hobbsee: no, it's part of it ;) [03:59] hehe! [03:59] Riddell: are you using drbd ? [03:59] that means no idea [03:59] yeah, but is there a screensaver edition of it? [03:59] :P [03:59] very interesting to manage backups between 2 machines :) [04:00] I use partimage for complete backups, it is great. It's also included in the sysresccd.org if everything gets fubar :) [04:01] uniq: the advantage of drbd, when you have 2 machines is that it creates a kind of "raid1 over lan" [04:02] but that doesn't prevent from manual file deletion [04:02] sounds cool. [04:03] uniq: it is ;) [04:04] Tonio_: no, what's that? [04:04] Riddell: a tool to make "raid1 over lan" [04:04] real time sync between two machines [04:04] Tm_T: xscreensaver has been split, some if it is now in universe or maybe mulitverse [04:04] Tonio_: interesting [04:05] Riddell: I use it at work for clustering file servers, coupled with heartbeat [04:05] Riddell: did you receive the gtk_qt patch for kdebase ? [04:06] Riddell: err, I have been trying to find packages but no [04:07] oh well, most of screensavers I used, are now gone, but atleast clock is still there [04:07] haha === DoeRayMe_ [n=will@ACD43245.ipt.aol.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === DoeRayMe [n=will@ACD43245.ipt.aol.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:08] gotta love that clock [04:08] Tonio_: just uploaded it [04:08] Riddell: many thanks [04:08] thank you [04:09] lure not there and no news from timo.... [04:09] I'll prepare the uvfe for knetworkmanager, we cannot waste more time on this [04:11] jpatrick: gotten your kexi mbd package review twice or not ? [04:11] no [04:11] noone else around [04:11] jpatrick: if not when he is back, I'll ask raphink for this [04:11] wait there's freeflying-ibook.... [04:11] jpatrick: noone on ubuntu-motu ? [04:12] let's see.. [04:12] agh! [04:12] jpatrick: I must say I didn't test the driver itself, I just looked at package structure, building and installation [04:13] I don't have access databases to test [04:13] normal X11 cursor theme, "whiteglass" is just half of it in my Kubuntu :( [04:13] Tonio_: me neither, but hey [04:13] all window resize cursors are black [04:13] jpatrick: what/ [04:13] anyone else have similar? [04:13] freeflying-ibook: can you poke http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2316 ? [04:14] Tm_T: how to reproduce exactly ? [04:14] jpatrick: just a moment [04:14] I don't see anything like that [04:14] Tonio_: just select "whiteclass" cursor theme, relogin to KDE and move cursor to window edge, whoo default X cursor, not whiteclass one [04:15] let me check ;) === Tonio_ [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:16] Tm_T: confirmed [04:16] thanks [04:16] but anyway, I really dislike this theme, so I don't mind ;) [04:16] =) [04:16] haha [04:16] well, I somewhat too, but there's no better [04:17] that black cursor is too... black [04:17] Tm_T: put it on K button in kicker [04:17] it is the default hand [04:17] not whiteglass [04:17] second bug ;) === Huahua [n=hua_@221.172.50.106] has joined #kubuntu-devel === neoncode [n=neoncode@88-107-237-12.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === DoeRayMe [n=will@ACD43245.ipt.aol.com] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] [04:17] well, I don't have kmenu in kicker [04:17] confirmed too ? [04:17] ;) [04:17] Tonio_: if there's any problems we'll get bug reports [04:17] or another icon [04:17] any in fact, just on kicker [04:17] but yeah, it's just half of the whiteclass theme [04:18] jpatrick: true === William_Shand [n=will@ACD43245.ipt.aol.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:18] coming back, this theme is really.......... [04:18] really what..... [04:18] hello William_Shand === Tonio_ [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:19] Tonio_: wb [04:19] Hello [04:20] Tonio_: you were saying.. [04:20] jpatrick: what shall I do for you? [04:20] jpatrick: I was saying the whiteglass theme is.......... special [04:20] freeflying-ibook: revu it === William_Shand [n=will@ACD43245.ipt.aol.com] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] [04:20] but control file should contain : Conflicts: Tonio [04:21] jpatrick: fine to me, bdesides that I can not pbuilder it [04:21] already pbuilt ;) [04:21] ok, uploading to ubunut [04:21] jpatrick: new derivative ? :) [04:21] jpatrick: it will be in NEW for a long time :) === Huahua [n=hua_@221.172.50.106] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:22] Tonio_: sorry [04:22] freeflying-ibook: is NEW frozen ? [04:23] Tonio_: seems to be, I've uploaded one one week ago, it wtill go into buildd [04:23] let's poke Kamion [04:23] freeflying-ibook: arf... [04:23] it's hard now [04:24] freeflying-ibook: sounds logic, release in a month.... [04:24] I have uploaded a doc package, still in NEW heh [04:25] ... [04:25] Riddell: any idea who this is? Michael Vogt? === William_Shand [n=will@ACD43245.ipt.aol.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:29] pradeepto: mvo, he's our top apt dude [04:29] well, canonical's top apt dude [04:29] obviously kubuntu's top apt dude is mornfall [04:30] Riddell: apparently even he faced this problem and used testdisk tool get the partition table fixed. [04:30] Riddell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperBeta/PartitionTableCorruption [04:30] Read his comment at the bottom of the page. === smoosh [n=smoosh@host47-86.pool8260.interbusiness.it] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:39] hi, i think tha i've found a bug in kubuntu... === apokryphos [n=apokryph@server2.polaristar.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:40] the owner of file "~/.kde/share/config/kcontrolrc" is root and not the current user... [04:42] smoosh: did you sudo $KApp ? [04:42] no [04:42] .... [04:43] as in "sudo kcontrol" ? [04:43] but this file is for local config, so i think that sudo is not needded, i wrong? [04:46] It isn't === kozz [i=kozz@h203n1fls31o834.telia.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === smoosh [n=smoosh@host47-86.pool8260.interbusiness.it] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] [05:11] Do we really have no open bugs for guidance? [05:11] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+source/kde-guidance === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:14] we're that good [05:16] Good thing then :> [05:16] :) === Bluekuja [n=bluekuja@host199-235.pool8254.interbusiness.it] has joined #kubuntu-devel === allee [n=ach@dialin-212-144-130-218.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === verwilst [n=verwilst@dD5E0099B.access.telenet.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:10] sebas: any comment on the patch at the end of this? https://launchpad.net/bugs/41926 [06:10] Malone bug 41926 in kdeutils klaptopdaemon "Software suspend is no longer located in /proc/software_suspend" [Normal,Unconfirmed] === kmon [n=javier@217.Red-80-25-51.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@trider-g7.fabbione.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Topic for #kubuntu-devel: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuEspresso || https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuDapperGoals || http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu || Join: http://www.last.fm/group/Kubuntu+Developers/ || Kubuntu meetings in #ubuntu-meeting -- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Meetings -- Next meeting is 05/11/06 2100 UTC === Topic (#kubuntu-devel): set by Hobbsee at Fri Apr 28 03:52:00 2006 === pradeepto [n=pradeept@dialpool-210-214-14-30.maa.sify.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === |ZuZuu| [n=ZuZubunt@AVelizy-154-1-41-178.w82-124.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === kozz [i=kozz@h203n1fls31o834.telia.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === toma_ is now known as toma === doelman [n=doelman@dsl-46015.solcon.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Sime [n=konversa@ip54579d1b.direct-adsl.nl] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] === pygi [n=pygi@83.131.242.46] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:15] Riddell: I'd leave it at checking if /usr/sbin/hibernate exists. [08:15] /proc/suspend2 and /proc/software_suspend might go away in the long run since it might be done from userspace in the future. [08:16] Additionally, why should klaptopdaemon care about the implementation (suspend2 vs. vanilla's swsusp vs. userspace suspend) [08:16] That's the job of /usr/sbin/hibernate [08:17] The hang the user reports is probably a driver problem, so unrelated. === \sh [n=shermann@unaffiliated/sh/x-000000002] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:37] <\sh> moins [08:38] hi \sh === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ubuntu [n=ubuntu@68.235.250.234] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger [n=tobias@p54A60ACA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === caleb- [n=caleb@219-84-15-89-adsl-tpe.STATIC.so-net.net.tw] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === Sime [n=konversa@ip54579d1b.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Sime is having a go at fixing the systemsettings buttons. [09:24] Sime: I have related question - how is KCModule reporting back changed status (module->changed()) to SysSettings? [09:25] I have a problem that if I click Apply in networkconf that Show All still ask for Unsaved changes... [09:25] Not sure yet if this is bug in networkconf (not notifying SysSettings about status) or SysSettings (not properly handling feedback from module) [09:26] The KCModule should be sending "changed(bool)" signals when its state changes. (i.e. when it has something to apply or reset). [09:27] this signal is picked up and used for enabling/disabled the apply and reset buttons for example. [09:27] ther guidance modules used to all work [09:28] Riddell: come again? [09:28] Sime: strange - Apply button is shaded (I think), but Show all still asks for Unsaved changes... [09:29] Lure: It sounds like knetworkconf is not send the changed() signal all the time. === Czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-041-136.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:29] Sime: you are right, Apply is also not shaded after Apply, therefore it is not sending changed(false) [09:30] will look into this and try to fix it properly... [09:30] Sime: I'm sure this apply problem is a recent problem [09:31] Riddell: I would suspect this is there forever... Do you see it also in other modules? [09:32] Riddell: what may also confuse users is that module is not stopped on Show All - this confused me and Discard for knetworkconf does not do anything (as you would expect) as knetworkconf expect it wil go down [09:32] but this is not true anymore with System Settings... [09:37] Riddell: when the user click on Discard, then the module's load() method is called. load() should throw away any changes and restore the settings. === sfllaw [i=sfllaw@206-248-159-223.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:41] hello Sime [09:41] Riddell: Hello. [09:41] hello sfllaw === Czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-041-136.pools.arcor-ip.net] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Kopete] [09:41] everyone: this is sfllaw, canonical's new beastie sorter [09:41] I don't do it all myself! [09:42] he'll be fixing all our bugs from now on :) [09:42] Anyway, I understand that KDE is a hotspot for bug triaging, yes? [09:42] sfllaw: nice to meet you [09:42] sfllaw: yep, I've been quite busy with fixing things that i know about and havn't had much time for triaging [09:42] jpatrick: Same here. [09:43] sfllaw: used KDE much? [09:43] Not recently. :) [09:43] What class of issues do you normally see? [09:43] <\sh> Riddell: checked the patch? [09:43] And how do you want bugs handled? [09:44] \sh: nope, it's top of my todo list now [09:44] I typically Needs Info until I get decent reproduction steps, and try to correlate bugs with upstream and other distros. [09:44] sfllaw: all sorts of issues, many upstream bugs but quite a few we've managed ourselves or which come in from debian [09:44] the main place we subscribe to them is kubuntu-team https://launchpad.net/people/kubuntu-team/+subscribedbugs [09:45] I'm also subscribed to quite a few https://launchpad.net/people/jr/+assignedbugs [09:45] sfllaw: nice to have you around [09:46] Lure: Thanks. [09:46] Riddell: OK. I'll see if I can find some #ubuntu-bugs people who are more familiar with KDE. And keep that in mind during the next HUG day. [09:47] We'll be looking for crashers, as those tend to take some time to fix. [09:47] Are there any classes of bugs where early triaging can help more? [09:47] Or special traiging? [09:47] s/ai/ia/ [09:48] Any -dbg libraries that are helpful? [09:49] kdelibs4c2-dbg [09:49] all of KDE itself should have dbg libraries [09:50] we've had a good number of problems with knetworkconf which Lure has done a great job fixing up [09:50] All right. I'll keep an eye out for that. [09:51] sfllaw: I think we miss an overview as lots of bugs are in generic packages (kdemeta...) and not triaged for long time [09:52] OK. [09:52] I'll try to narrow some of them down. [09:52] yes, one issue with kde is that a lot of programmes come from source packages which make a lot of binary packages [09:52] and people dont' know what source package to give it to [09:52] Understandably. [09:52] Does the sorting actually help you guys? [09:52] sfllaw: since I cannot go though all, I just choose one area that is pain and try to clean it up (a did kdeadmin in last week or two) [09:52] If so, I'll put some effort into doing that for Unconfirmed bugs. [09:54] sfllaw: that would be great [09:58] Lure: hey ;) [09:58] Tonio_: hi [09:58] Lure: any response from timo ? [09:58] Just downloaded mail - will check [09:59] Lure: okay, if no response we will post uvfe with our acutal version, ok ? [09:59] <\sh> Riddell: problem was, that the dict items had an array as value...and with this for loop you got the array :) I used now the "real dict keys" [09:59] Tonio_: no response [09:59] we can always say that the current svn revision FTBFS [09:59] that's a good reason for using a previous one [09:59] Tonio_: yes, I think this is probably best, but we will have issue with package change with next UVFe [10:00] subdirectory and stuff [10:00] why ? [10:00] Lure: I don't think so, since there will be a 0.1 final tarball from suse [10:00] Tonio_: because we will need to switch to sv2dist format sooner or later [10:00] so no problem I assume [10:01] Lure: not sure, we will be able to use tarballs ;) [10:01] I think they will create it with svn2dist.... [10:01] Lure: we'll see [10:01] OK. Thanks guys. [10:01] Lure: once dapper is released, no uvfe required, simply revu and that's it [10:01] that will not be an issue [10:01] I hang out in #ubuntu-bugs, so if you need anything, just pop in and let me know. [10:01] sfllaw: ok, will do - thanks! [10:01] this knm will probably be the latest in the dapper session [10:02] Tonio_: you should just request UVFe with your package and then we will see... [10:02] Lure: the missing stuff is the changelog [10:03] I didn't found a convenient way to extract the revision to revision from kde svn === sfllaw [i=sfllaw@206-248-159-223.dsl.teksavvy.com] has left #kubuntu-devel [] === kwwii packs for the LinuxTag - leaves early in the morning...night all [10:03] Lure: any info on that point ? [10:03] kwwii: nite [10:03] <\sh> kwwii: when you meet juliux, please ask him for the badges, or we have to try to get some [10:03] <\sh> kwwii: cu at linuxtag :) [10:04] \sh: hrm, perhaps I should print something now, just in case [10:04] \sh: now you made me worry :-) [10:05] Tonio_: just do svn log on complete and then strip what is not there ;-) [10:05] <\sh> kwwii: when you can print something with a kubuntu logo on it with the names on the kubuntu wiki, we can try to get some pins for it :) [10:05] Lure: how ? [10:05] Tonio_: is there no ChnageLog in the tarball from src.rpm? [10:05] I don't see how to get it [10:05] shell command or something ? [10:05] \sh: if I've time left after packing I wll do that, just in case === Zerlinna [n=Zerlinna@Q738e.q.strato-dslnet.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:06] Tonio_: cd kdereview/knetworkmanager [10:06] Tonio_: svn log [10:06] <\sh> kwwii: cool...btw...gpg key id and passport :) we need to sign keys :) [10:06] Lure: hu ? I should have miss this [10:08] <\sh> hi Zerlinna [10:08] \sh: good idea [10:08] hi \sh :-) [10:09] Tonio_, Riddell: are there any problems with UVFe on package where icons change (due to freezes for docs and stuff)? [10:10] Lure: well.... in theory I would say yes, but if we reject for this reason, I think nothing will be accepted... [10:11] that's hard to manage ;) [10:11] Tonio_: we could always backport individual fixes to our version (like fix for resume) [10:12] Lure: sure [10:12] I would personally love to have new icons in... [10:12] I hate those dull GNOME ones... [10:12] Lure: I don't see the svn log [10:13] Lure: am I crazy ? [10:13] changelog maybe ? [10:13] but that doesn't give a lot of infos...... [10:13] did someone say "icons"? [10:14] Tonio_: do you have "svn co" (checouted version) of knm? Then go to appropriate dir and run "svn log" [10:14] ok, I think I've got the buttons sorted out in systemsettings. Riddel, you want to me to commit it? [10:14] ahhh, yes...Lure, which icons do you mean? [10:14] Sime: what is the fix? [10:14] kwwii: knetworkmanager - we got latest from KDE SVN === kmon [n=javier@217.Red-80-25-51.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:14] Lure: stupid of me, I was typing "svn logs" [10:14] haha [10:14] hehe [10:14] kwwii: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/kdereview/knetworkmanager/pics/ [10:14] Lure: ummm eerrrr It is not a one-liner if that is what you are asking. [10:15] I knew that I would end up doing those icons, one way or the other [10:15] my ex-suse colleagues would love it! ;-) [10:15] kwwii: they are much better than previous ones [10:15] Sime: is there a bug (I will see the fix when you upload anyhow)? [10:15] Sime: hey ;) [10:16] Lure: The "Close" button never showed up when requested by the module. And the "reset" button is alway enabled. [10:17] Sime: just fyi, nvidia proprietary driver is still unselectable in the display module... even if installed [10:17] Sime: what could I send you to help on that point ? [10:18] Tonio_: tell you what. I'll put an nvidia in my test machine and try it out myself. :-) [10:18] <\sh> kwwii: so LT is something like a ex-suse/novell-suse family meeting :) [10:18] Sime: hehe [10:20] Lure: good point ;) "update artwork with icons from" is revision 533311, and we use 533312 [10:21] Lure: novell doesn't use the good ones, so in fact we are synced correctly with the svn revision [10:21] good point ;) [10:21] Tonio_: I think SuSE just wants the ugly ones for some reason... ;-) [10:22] Lure: certainly ;) [10:22] Tonio_: I can easily test the legacy nvidia stuff. But I ordered a 6600GT this morning and should have it by the end of the week. :-D [10:23] \sh: yeah, I already talked to the guys who are coming - looking forward to it :-) [10:23] Sime: don't tell me you bought it just to test ? :) [10:23] <\sh> kwwii: looks like that I have to meet timo :) [10:24] hehe [10:24] timo is great [10:24] Tonio_: I bought it to shut you up! [10:24] Tonio_: you should meet timo too! [10:24] Lure: I do not think that suse decides which icons to use anymore :-) [10:24] Lure: it breaks artwork freeze, but should be fine if it's knetworkmanager as that isn't installed by default [10:24] Sime: haha [10:25] <\sh> kwwii: I just wondered yesterday, why your name on the wikipage was familiar to me ... then I checked again the oxygene webpage, and finally, there was the connection :) I'm really looking forward to meet you :) [10:25] Sime: well sorry for bugging you everytime, but nvidia support is important, since most linux users are using nvidia and not ati [10:25] Tonio_: no. That is fine. bug if you have to. [10:26] Sime: I promisse to leave you alone once I can click this "proprietary" button :) [10:26] \sh: omg, I am famous! (hehe)...can't wait to meet everyone, I am still new to kubuntu in that respect [10:26] Riddell: you want me to commit these fixes for systemsettings? [10:26] <\sh> kwwii: well...new to kubuntu but for kde a vip :) [10:27] haha, I should tell them that and ask 'em at the same time to pay for my hotel room ;-) [10:28] <\sh> kwwii: use the gym like the others :) or at least amu and I ...will be fun :) [10:29] Lure: let's go for uvfe [10:29] Sime: so it's a problem in system settings? [10:29] Sime: how come it only affects guidance? [10:31] <\sh> Riddell: are you going to the desktop architect meeting in mainz? [10:33] \sh: no time. I need to concentrate on dapper, linuxtag is quite enough time away from that [10:34] <\sh> Riddell: just recognized you on the meeting 1 group picture :) [10:36] Tonio_: seen bug 42335 - it looks like users expect it in Internet... ;-) [10:36] Malone bug 42335 in knetworkmanager "knetworkmanager's icon should be placed under the internet menu folder" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/42335 [10:37] Lure: as it is an equivalent to kwifimanager, that's logic.... [10:37] even if the system seems more appropriate [10:37] Riddell: where would you place knetworkmanager in the kmenu ? [10:37] Tonio_: you can add this bug id to the list of bug fixed in UVFe ;-) [10:38] Lure: hehe, nope since I changed it to go back to system [10:38] or should I remove the patch maybe ? [10:38] Lure: \sh will make an heart attack then...... [10:39] Tonio_: I am fine with whatever, as Internet is mess anyhow [10:39] :-( [10:39] kmail always mis-sorts my mail [10:40] i have it sorted according to date [10:40] Lure: I would prefer to see both wlassistant and knetworkmanager in system [10:40] with the newest above [10:40] Lure: as kwifimanager will be removed anyway [10:40] <\sh> well...I can re-explain the problems with being a common network utility and being in the "Internet" Menu...who ever invented this myth...tar and feathers [10:40] but when i open kmail, it's not correct [10:40] \sh: I share your vision on that point... === robotgeek [i=venkat@ubuntu/member/robotgeek] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:41] i have to click the "date" column in order to make it sort correctly again [10:41] I think the correction is more on kwifimanager that shouldn't be in internet [10:41] a network configuration is a system tool, not an internet utility [10:41] <\sh> kppp shouldn't be named "internet access dialer" or something like this, because PPP has so much todo with internet like a banana with an apple tree [10:42] \sh: ^^ ;) [10:43] Riddell: what about a reorganization of the kmenu regarding the internet section ? [10:43] Riddell: moving kppp, wlassistant and knetworkmanager to system to just keep internet dedicated tools in the internet section ? [10:44] Riddell: haha, as for your mail from Apr 29: X-CRM114-Status: SPAM ( pR: -9.9848 ) [10:44] no reorg for dapper pleaze [10:45] Riddell: i'll reply when i finish filtering spam.maybe [10:47] <\sh> jjesse: critical for the doc team? [10:47] Riddell: because only serviceconfig requests a a "Close" button instead of "Apply/Reset". [10:49] Tonio_: I would agree with jjesse and leave knm in Internet and then rething the whole K-menu for Edgy... [10:49] <\sh> loll....aseigo shout it out loud: if python were to be christened the quick-n-dirty app devel language of choice for the open source desktop, several things would likely have to happen. like the string handling in python would need to get unfuckified. === William_Shand [n=will@ACBD1F89.ipt.aol.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:51] Lure: let's go with this ;) [10:51] Lure: http://pastebin.com/693031 [10:51] Lure: would you like too add something ? [10:53] Tonio_: s/hybernate/hibernate/ [10:53] Lure: oups [10:53] Tonio_: with icons I would mention Riddell's point that it should be allowed as it is not installed by default and in documentation [10:55] Lure: okay, pointing this [10:57] Lure: http://pastebin.com/693042 [10:57] I think that can be posted [10:57] unless you have other arguments to provide [10:57] Tonio_: ok with me [10:58] Lure: great === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:01] Lure: commited, now let's wait and hope :) [11:01] bug id? [11:02] Lure: I didn't rebuild all files with patch for internet-> removed [11:02] Lure: I will change that before upload [11:02] bug 42465 [11:02] Malone bug 42465 in knetworkmanager "UVF Exception : 0.1 svn r5961 -> 0.1 svn r533312" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/42465 [11:06] mornfall: erk, how did it manage that? [11:06] Tonio_: seems less intuitive than Internet to me [11:07] Riddell: okay ;) [11:07] Riddell: dunnow, i probably only get spam about interviews most of the time ;-) [11:07] Riddell: could have been worse, like spam.confident -- i don't read that one [11:08] it has 2000 unread mails atm === Mez [i=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #kubuntu-devel === robotgeek [i=venkat@ubuntu/member/robotgeek] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:19] <\sh> Riddell: btw...how can we solve the "acpi_fakekey" problem? [11:20] \sh: what's the problem? [11:20] <\sh> Riddell: it doesn't work :) [11:21] <\sh> Riddell: fn+hibernate e.g. sends out the acpi event correctly, acpi is triggering /etc/acpi/hibernatebtn.sh and this triggers acpi_fakekey $LINUX_KEYCODE_FOR_HIBERNATE_KEY [11:22] <\sh> but for the r200 here, it never works...whereas /etc/acpi/hibernate.sh works fine :) [11:22] [22:49] Riddell: because only serviceconfig requests a a "Close" button instead of "Apply/Reset". [11:22] \sh: we could set a khotkeys binding for it? [11:22] Sime: ah, interesting [11:23] <\sh> Riddell: if khotkeys is catching linux keycodes? [11:23] yes [11:25] <\sh> Riddell: I'll give it a try and propose a solution...it's not much to catch [11:25] Riddell: https://launchpad.net/bugs/42323 seems that it doesn't concern only french [11:25] Malone bug 42323 in kde-i18n-nl "Menu's are mixed Dutch/English" [Major,Unconfirmed] [11:26] but the strange point is that it concerns only menus, not the rest of kde [11:27] \sh: using german desktop ? [11:28] <\sh> Tonio_: no...en_GB :) [11:28] \sh arf... [11:28] <\sh> Tonio_: it's an uk laptop what do you expect? ;) [11:29] \sh: hehe :) [11:29] localisation errors are hard to figure out for most developpers since they aparently all use english as primary language for their desktop [11:30] <\sh> good reason for "wontfix" ;) [11:30] lol [11:31] hehe, first time I can see a french store selling ubuntu based pcs :) [11:31] Riddell: ok, I've commited the code to svn. Try it out if you like. [11:34] Sime: cool, will do [11:52] do we know a Vladcodrea? [11:53] he's added a load of ideas to the summer of code page === neoncode [n=neoncode@88-107-237-12.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel