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kagoui making a patch to add a depend to a package.12:04
kagoui suppose that i had to edit debian/control12:05
kagoubut which ? control or control.in ?12:05
kagouwhat's the difference ?12:05
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\shdepends...cdbs has a mechanism to have a control.in template which is substituted with some values and results in control ... so in this case, control.in is the correct way...but for this you have to check the debian/rules file first and read cdbs documentation12:10
kagouthanks \sh12:15
kagousee you later12:16
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Riddelljordi: bug 41678 is a UVF12:47
UbugtuMalone bug 41678 in ispellcat "Please sync with Debian unstable" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/4167812:47
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Riddelljordi: include a changelog and e-mail matt and colin12:48
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tovellanot sure how to get this problem to developers, so i'm presenting it here.  i don't expect any help with it, just wanted to let someone know.01:23
tovella[lspci -vv |grep -i adaptec] 01:23
tovellaresults in the following:01:23
tovella0000:02:00.0 Memory controller: Adaptec AIC-7815 RAID+Memory Controller IC (rev 02)01:23
tovella        Subsystem: Adaptec: Unknown device 784601:23
tovella0000:02:04.0 SCSI storage controller: Adaptec 78902 (rev 01)01:23
tovella        Subsystem: Adaptec AAA-131U2 Array1000 1 Channel RAID Controller01:23
tovella[dmesg |grep -i 'aic'] 01:23
tovellaresults in the following:01:23
tovella[  129.386387]  aic7xxx: Unknown symbol spi_populate_sync_msg01:23
tovella[  129.388363]  aic7xxx: Unknown symbol spi_populate_width_msg01:23
tovella[  129.389222]  aic7xxx: Unknown symbol spi_populate_ppr_msg01:23
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kltovella, https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+filebug01:27
kl...if there's something, what fails01:27
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bddebianGah, where's doko?02:08
mdkeasleep, I'd think02:09
bddebianmdke: Is he the go to for a python question?02:09
mdkebddebian: no idea. I'd guess #python is a good bet02:09
bddebianI mean python wrt Ubuntu02:09
bddebianI'm getting ready to rip 2.1 out of pychecker and I'm thinking I should rip 2.2 out as well02:10
mdkebddebian: well then yes, I think he is.02:13
lifelessbddebian: do you mean as modes, or as dependencies ?02:14
lifelessbddebian: or as 'runs under' ?02:14
bddebianlifeless: All of the above?02:17
lifelesswell, its useful for folk writing portable python to know about 'will break on 2.2' even if they are using 2.4 themselves02:20
bddebianlifeless: Fair enough but how long are we keeping 2.2 in the archive?02:22
lifelesshow are the two things related ?02:22
mdkeis there a disadvantage to keeping packages in the archive?02:22
lifelessmdke: yes02:23
bddebianlifeless: Because if I leave python2.2 as a dep/build-dep for pychecker and it no longer exists..?02:23
lifelessbddebian: I'm talking about it being able to check for 2.2 issues. Does that need python 2.2 ?02:23
mdkelifeless: what is the disadvantage?02:23
bddebianlifeless: I don't know the answer to that unfortunately02:23
lifelessbddebian: in which case, you can't answer 'how are the two things related' :)... thats what I'd aim to find out02:24
bddebianWhy do I even try.. :'-(02:25
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robertjwhee, libpam-abl is packaged by debian03:03
robertjhappy day03:03
bddebianheh03:03
robertjthat's going to be a popular dapper backport03:03
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zulheylo03:57
bddebianHeya zul03:58
zulhey bddebian 03:58
robertjI've been looking at samba a bit and changing the passdb backend to plaintext seems like it would behave as expected for most users...04:07
robertjany thoughts?04:07
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bddebianHmm, I didn't get an accept or reject for pychecker04:13
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poningru hi question: I wanted to request/work on a feature for the edgy espresso partitioning tool, a dual boot 'option' in the partitioning tool, should I put that in as feature request in malone or should I add it as a braindump on the wiki?04:42
poningruI asked in #launchpad they told me to ask here04:42
poningrualso can I look at the espresso roadmap to make sure this isnt planned already04:42
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Burgundaviaponingru: what are you trying to do? There is planned a "delete these partitions and install ubuntu into them" features04:48
poningrubasically a single option that will 04:49
poningrulook at the ntfs partition to see if its non-fragmented enough and then makes it smaller, and formats that extra space with a linux fs04:50
Burgundaviaponingru: it should already do that04:50
poningru0.004:50
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BurgundaviaGman: so, is gcj about to become obsolete overnight?04:51
poningrurofl04:51
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poningruLathiat: the whole rumor about java going open04:51
Lathiatdid they OS java? :)04:51
Lathiatoh, heh, only a rumour, fpf :)04:52
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Burgundaviabddebian: does the word make you break into hives?04:52
bddebianI'm just unimpressed with Java I guess04:53
poningruwoo go .NET04:53
poningruerr I mean...04:53
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bddebianheh04:53
GmanBurgundavia, couldn't possibly comment :)04:54
Gman[mostly because i don't know] 04:55
bddebianWho's maintaining uploads these days?  Kamion and infinity?04:58
bddebianOr is lamont still also?04:58
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infinitybddebian: What do you mean by "maintaining uploads"?06:47
infinitybddebian: Uploaders (ie: you) "maintain uploads". :)06:47
bddebianinfinity: I uploaded pychecker but got no accept/reject?06:48
bddebianAnd no it's not unstable :-)06:48
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infinityNo, lamont doesn't have access to look at the upload queue, and never has had.06:48
bddebianOh, hmm06:49
bddebianSo I'm clueless, what can I say06:49
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crimsunwhat key id and e-mail did you use to sign the upload?06:51
bddebianbddebian@comcast.net as always06:52
bddebianNo periods in my email addresses ;-P06:54
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bddebianinfinity: Should I just try it again?06:54
infinityYou should have a reject now...06:59
bddebianAck, shit, how'd I miss that being in main?07:00
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infinityOf course, I'd still like to know why the upload queue failed to process it the first time, and you only got a reject after I re-processed it, but whatever...07:01
infinityOne bug at a time. :/07:01
Rotundwould this be a a place to ask about Summer of Code questions particular to Ubuntu?07:02
infinityOh, that was the same bug that's blocking syncs.  I wonder if that means someone's jimmied it in production to make it happy again?07:03
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crimsuninfinity: word is that "syncs should be fixed early next week, you'll be pleased to know"07:04
infinitycrimsun: I know what the bug report says about them too (should be rolled out tomorrow), but that doesn't change the fact that bddebian's upload failed due to the same bug that was blocking syncs... And when I just retried the upload, it didn't fail (it rejected, but that's his fault).07:05
infinitySo, yeah.  Let me entertain a fantasy here for a few seconds.07:05
infinityOh, no, I guess it was two bugs with seemingly identical symptoms.  Nevermind.07:07
bddebianTwo bddebian bugs? :-(07:08
bddebian:-)07:08
infinityUnless you've been comitting code to launchpad lately, I think we can let you off the hook for this bug.07:12
infinitybddebian: Anyhow, do you want to send me the debdiff for that pychecker upload, and I can sign and upload it if it looks cool?07:13
infinitybddebian: I'm perfectly happy with MOTU fixing bugs in main for me. :)07:13
infinity(Yes, I could just grab your upload from the REJECTED queue, I guess, but that seems to be in poor taste/form..)07:14
bddebianI can do a quick debdiff I guess.  Want me to throw it up somwhere?07:17
infinityActually, screw bad form.  I'll just pull it from the rejected queue. :)07:18
infinity(Or rather, I already have)07:18
bddebianIt's pretty small.  I just ripped python2.1 from it07:19
bddebianOK, 1am, I gotta get to bed.  Gnight folks07:20
bddebianThanks infinity07:20
infinityWhat a bizarre package..07:20
infinityI wonder what the maintainer had against just depending on "python".07:21
bddebianI think it needs all to check syntax for each version07:22
infinityAnyhow, there's no harm in allowing it to still install and run with python2.1, even though we no longer ship it, so I won't bother uploading this at all.07:22
infinitySoftware that works with old packages isn't inherently buggy. :)07:23
infinity(If it also works with new ones, which this one does)07:23
bddebianhttps://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/python2.1/+bug/4151007:23
UbugtuMalone bug 41510 in python2.1 "[UNMETDEPS]  python2.1 has unmet dependencies" [Normal,Confirmed]  07:23
bddebianIt and jython were the last rdepends for 2.1, then it can be removed07:24
infinityWe can remove packages while things still depend on them, if the dependency is an OR.07:24
infinityjython is the only blocker.07:24
bddebianHmm, good point07:24
infinity(Well, we can remove packages anyway, but we don't like to break the archive)07:24
bddebianjython can get removed as well07:24
bddebianAnyway I give up.  Gnight07:25
crimsuninfinity: If you don't mind taking a look at the debdiff for bug #41367, please, I'd be grateful. (I've built and confirmed it fixes the issue; I'm currently running it now with no problems.)07:26
UbugtuMalone bug 41367 in alsa-lib "dmix consumes 100% CPU with 32-bit userspace on 64-bit kernel" [Normal,Fix committed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/4136707:26
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infinitycrimsun: Though I'm alsa-illiterate, most of the fixes in those patches look "obviously correct" and quite simple.  I'm balking at the fix for that specific bug, though.  Did process_timer_event() really do nothing useful?... Oh.  Nevermind.  It really did nothing useful.07:32
infinityThen my only quibble is this:07:32
infinity+-snd_timer_read(dmix->timer, &rbuf, sizeof(rbuf));07:32
infinity++snd_timer_read(dmix->timer, rbuf, sizeof(rbuf));07:32
infinity[...] 07:32
infinity+ snd_timer_read(dmix->timer, &rbuf, sizeof(rbuf));07:32
infinityCan we be consistent about that type and how we access it? :)07:33
infinity(Not knowing the context, I don't know which is correct, though I suspect the change is correct, and it just needs to be made in more places)07:33
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crimsuninfinity: it's pulled from upstream, but I'll ping Takashi about it.07:37
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kagoumorning 08:46
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sivangmorning all09:44
highvoltagehi sivang 09:49
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ubijtsahighvoltage: did you get anywhere with the netboot test of the preseed?10:02
sivanghey highvoltage , how's it going?10:02
highvoltageubijtsa: yes, i made some changes to the pxelinux config so that it's the same as my isolinux config10:03
highvoltageubijtsa: but then i realised that my preseed in there points to /cdrom/preeseed/preseed.seed10:04
highvoltageubijtsa: which of course isn't available, and you need user to tweak things a bit too far to make this specific test applicable to that10:04
highvoltagesivang: public holiday here today, so I can't complain :)10:05
ubijtsahighvoltage: I understand :)10:06
highvoltageubijtsa: i'm going to have to make it network installable at some point though. i'll do that as soon as the cd boot works fine. netboot+++10:06
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ubijtsahighvoltage: netboot rocks... :)10:07
fabbionehighvoltage: what are you trying to make netinstallable+10:08
fabbione?10:08
highvoltagefabbione: it's just a tuxlab setup cd, i had some trouble with the preseed, so i wanted to find a way of testing the validity of a preseed before writing the CD10:10
highvoltaged-i just said it's an invalid preeseed and didn't give more info10:10
highvoltagebut i think it was lines that I wrapped by adding a "\" that caused it10:11
fabbionehighvoltage: did you check /var/log/syslog ?10:11
highvoltagemerged some things into one line, and then it worked.10:11
highvoltageadmittingly, not :/10:11
highvoltageso ubijtsa suggested that i use netboot to test the preseeds10:11
fabbionedo it next time10:11
highvoltageok, noted :)10:11
fabbionebecause preseeding from cd/netboot is slightly different10:12
fabbionein regards for choose-mirror setup10:12
highvoltagei noticed :)10:12
highvoltagecan i specify that in pxelinux.cfg?10:12
fabbioneyes choose-mirror is preseedable10:13
fabbionebut there is a limit on the number of info you can pass via kernel cmdline10:13
fabbionewhat i did last time was to provide the minimal amount of info to kernel cmdline to be able to download the preseed file from a web server10:13
fabbionethat will work10:13
fabbionebut you might still get one question asked at boot because the preseeding simply doesn't fit in the kernel cmdline10:14
highvoltageah, that would work for me too.10:14
fabbioneand preseed is loaded only after that10:14
highvoltageone question is good. it means that someone won't accidentally boot to the network and accidentally loose all their data.10:14
highvoltagei'm starting to really like d-i. i should've moved away from my hacky dialog / bash scripts ages ago.10:16
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highvoltagewhich preseed option is there to disable the HTTP proxy information question in d-i?10:52
fabbionehighvoltage: preseed it :)11:01
fabbioneit's in the documentation11:01
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\shmorning fabbione :) 11:03
fabbionehi \sh11:03
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\shI wonder if I can reproduce this ubiquity crash with kdeui on amd64..this is really a weired one11:06
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\shKamion: dunno if you are awake, but can you tell me something about component/language.py and the generated language_choice_map? it looks like a python dict, where the key is the language and then a list is the value...dunno if I read it the correct way11:23
highvoltageah, found it :)11:31
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ben-2006hey all, got a question regarding developing for ubuntu (and well linux in general).  What is the main codebase for ubuntu? C++ or Python or a strong mixture?  And how do you get a UI to work under both Grome and KDE - does GTK+ work it out?11:32
ubijtsaben-2006: Gnome use gtk, KDE use Qt and they are quite different11:32
ben-2006so you can't make a app which works in both?11:33
highvoltageben-2006: although both will work on both if you have the libraries install11:33
ubijtsahowever, most people will have libraries for both installed11:33
mjg59ben-2006: Strictly this channel is for the development /of/ Ubuntu, rather than development in Ubuntu11:33
highvoltage*installed11:33
ben-2006mjg59: oh sorry :(11:33
mjg59ben-2006: However, applications written in either toolkit will work in either environment (providing the toolkit libraries are present)11:33
mjg59The X protocol is the same in both cases11:33
ben-2006ahh thats cool11:33
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mjg59Outside KDE, most application development is probably still in C. Python is also common. There are a few notable C++ apps, such as Mozilla and Openoffice11:34
mjg59KDE is almost entirely C++11:34
ben-2006what kind of apps are developed using Python?? (i want to get into linux development - or at least have more experience in it)11:35
highvoltageben-2006: python would be your best bet for getting started. you can contribute in many ways if you know some python.11:35
highvoltageben-2006: but let's move this to #ubuntu, we're there too, and will answer your questions there11:36
ben-2006ok :)11:36
sivangmorning pitti 11:39
sivangmorning mjg59 11:40
pittihi sivang 11:40
\shmoins sivang, pitti11:41
janimoif a package has in the depends line: A | B , B does it chose B because it's twice?11:42
janimoneed to make a dep explicit rather then relying on dpkg guessing it11:42
pittihi \sh 11:42
janimoand A |B is put there by shlibs11:43
pittijanimo: either that, or it installs A and B11:43
janimoah, and A conflicts/replaces B :)11:43
janimoit's the gnumeric/gnumeric-gtk thing matt answered on the list11:43
janimoI guess I'll have to try and see. But since lintian used to complain if a dep is listed twice I did not think there could be such uses for duplicating deps11:44
\shwoooha11:45
\shwhat do I get when I fixed kde-ui of ubiquity on amd64 ? 11:45
\shwhat what?11:45
\shRiddell....11:45
\shdamn...that's giving me a high...11:46
janimo\sh: is ubi  not entirely python?11:46
janimowhy does the arch matter?11:47
\shyes but it had a regression on amd64 only because of some strange unicode stuff...11:47
janimowhat was the buf?11:47
janimobug?11:47
\shstart it on amd64, click the first next step and come to language selection it will crash11:47
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fabbionepitti: ping?11:56
pittihi fabbione 11:56
fabbionepitti: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/hal/2006-April/005078.html11:56
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fabbioneaccording to some very clueful guys, we need that to fix endianess issues11:56
fabbione(serious ones)11:56
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pittifabbione: sure, I can test and apply the patch at some time this week11:58
fabbionepitti: ok great thanks11:59
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jonohi all01:19
jonodoes anyone have a large icon for the update manager?01:24
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ploumjono: the icon is in SVG here01:29
jonoits png here01:29
ploum(if we are talking about the same icon)01:29
jonothe litte orange update icon that sits in the notification rea01:29
jonoarea01:29
ploumoh, I tought that you were talking about the icon in the menu01:30
ploumsorry01:30
jonono worries01:30
jonois there a way I can force the update bubble to pop up?01:30
jsgotangcothe one that says you have updates?01:30
jonojsgotangco: yes01:30
Mithrandirjono: downgrade a package.01:31
ploumjono: comment a line in your /etc/apt/sources, apt-get update, put the line again, re-apt-get-update01:31
Mithrandir(at least, I'd assume it'd pop up then)01:31
ploumthat's how I do it01:31
jonohow do I downgrade a package?01:34
ploumjono: if it's in your package database, simply :01:35
ploumapt-get install package=0.0.1.201:35
ploumwhere 0.0.1.2 is the version number you want to install01:36
ploumavailables versions are shown using01:36
ploumapt-cache policy package01:36
jsgotangcobye bye warty01:36
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ploumif you have an old deb file, you can also dpkg -i package.deb01:36
ploumwhat the name of this fruit/vegetable in english : http://www.boolsite.net/images/previews/Divers/Nourriture_Boisson/_prev/Avocat.jpg ?01:37
jsgotangcothat's an avocado01:38
slomo__ploum: avocado afaik01:38
ploumjono: why not using this as the planetadvocacy logo :-)01:38
ploum(in french, advocate and avocado are the same word. And are quite similar in english)01:39
jonoploum: :)01:39
jonohehe01:39
jsgotangcolol01:39
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ploumhttp://french.epochtimes.com/news_images/2005-3-15-sans-titre-avocat.jpg (better resolution)01:40
jonoI cant find a package with more than one available version01:41
ploumjono: downoad a breezy package on http://packages.ubuntu.com/01:42
ploumand dpkg -i it01:42
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ograthere were a ton of uploads today and yesterday, i'd just try to run sudo apt-get update, with luck you have something to update ;)01:50
ogra(before making fuss about downgrading)01:51
ploumogra: na..  too easy01:51
ogra:)01:51
ploumwe are looking for something that feel like a bit "hackish"01:51
ograthen patch apt :)01:52
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zulheylo02:03
imc_outHey anyone know if there's been move to add the EVDO MTU patch to the new dapper kernel?02:03
zulno there hasnt02:03
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sladenmjg59: Lyn has an HP8230, is alsa-utils the place to file bugs regarding headphone muting?02:03
imc_outAh. Okay, thanks zul. Is it on the roadmap?02:03
zulimc_out: i dont think so02:04
mjg59sladen: No, kernel02:04
zulyou might want to open up a bug so the kernel team can ooko at it02:04
imc_outzul, thanks very much.I think I will do that02:04
imc_outI wish I could do more but I can't program to save my life. 02:04
imc_out:)02:04
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janimois there a new beta/flight planned for this week?02:26
ograhopefully not02:27
janimo:)02:27
ograi'd like to have some time to work on bugs ... beta releases take an awful lot of time for testing02:27
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tsdgeosjordi: ping02:50
tsdgeosMithrandir: ping02:51
imc_outzul, thanks for the suggestion. I filed the MTU/EVDO thing as Bug # 4235602:51
Mithrandirtsdgeos: pong02:51
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tsdgeosMithrandir: i was told you where working on popcon.ubuntu02:52
tsdgeosis that right?02:52
Mithrandirtsdgeos: yes02:52
tsdgeosany timeframe when it'll begin to wrok?02:52
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Mithrandirthis week, hopefully02:53
jorditsdgeos: yes02:53
jorditsdgeos: have you tried the latest version?02:53
tsdgeosjordi: i told Riddell about the ispell thingy and he told me you should contact Foo or Bar (don't remember names) to get some permission02:53
tsdgeosjordi: was going to do it now02:54
tsdgeosMithrandir: :-)02:54
jordihttps://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/ispellcat/+bug/4167802:55
UbugtuMalone bug 41678 in ispellcat "Please sync with Debian unstable" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  02:55
jordiKamion: is there anything else I need to do to get this synced?02:55
tsengjordi: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources02:57
tsengjordi: "Syncs"02:57
jordiok, so it's pending02:58
tsdgeosjordi: Per is still not recognised as incorrect, but that was a bug not related to the others, you want me to open a separate bug?02:58
tsdgeosthe l' and . at end issues seem to have been fixed02:59
jorditsdgeos: that's probably a name or something.03:00
tsdgeosmaybe03:00
jordiPer needs a separate bug, but I guess it's a surname or whatever.03:00
tsdgeosit seems03:00
tsdgeosPer i Toms, Job Agusti03:00
tsdgeosbut should surnames be in a dictionary?03:01
jordiAgull03:01
jordiI see plenty of them03:01
tsdgeosok, np then03:02
jordiI guess that one could be removed03:02
jordias it causes some confusion03:02
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jordiI'll tell joan to see what he thinks about it03:02
tsdgeosthanks03:02
jordiMallac03:02
jordiheh03:02
jordiit has this, but not with H03:02
jordiAstals isn't :)03:03
danimodoes printing work for anyone of you with current dapper?03:03
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jordiheh03:03
tsdgeosj/k03:03
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danimoI am constantly getting: http://pastebin.com/692143, no matter what I try to print03:06
danimoand independent of the printer I am printing to03:06
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danimoanyone around who maintains cupsys or gs?03:09
pittidanimo: cupsys -> me, gs -> Diziet 03:09
danimopitti: any idea about the output that cups shows in the log file?03:10
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pitti-v please03:10
danimo(and in kprinter)03:10
danimopitti: see the pastebin url above03:10
pittiah, I didn't notice that03:10
pittidanimo: hm, some program generates PS that gs doesn't understand; I don't know whether that's the fault of the application or of gs03:11
pittidanimo: can you please file a bug against gs, describe the application, attach an example document that reproduces the issue, and so on?03:12
danimopitti: ok03:12
pittithanks03:12
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danimoRiddell: ping?03:20
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Riddelldanimo: hi03:48
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infinityRiddell: kdeutils is FTBFS all over, BTW.04:21
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Riddellinfinity: ta04:22
danimoRiddell: does printing to pdf work for you?04:24
danimoRiddell: seems like the kprinter backend creates invalid ps04:24
Tonio_danimo: doesn't work here04:25
Tonio_cups failing with ghostscript ?04:25
danimoyes04:25
danimosomehow04:25
Tonio_weird04:25
danimoTonio_: pitti needs a bugreport04:25
Tonio_danimo: yup, I'll have a look at cups logs before ;)04:26
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Tonio_danimo: nothing in cups error logs......04:27
danimoTonio_: I had, let me look up the bug number I filed it up04:27
danimoTonio_: it was with my kprinter backend, but that should not matter04:27
Tonio_danimo: maybe need to wait a bit, I think cups doesn't print errors real time in log files :)04:27
danimoerr, with my printer even04:27
danimoit does04:28
Tonio_danimo: hum....... well the point is that my error logs are still empty ;)04:28
danimoyou need to increase the verbosity in cupsd.conf do "debug"04:29
danimoTonio_: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/cupsys/+bug/4180004:29
UbugtuMalone bug 41800 in cupsys "Cups fails to print any file with Brother HL-1430" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  04:29
Tonio_danimo: that's why okay ;)04:29
danimo:)04:31
danimoTonio_: it's probably not a pure kde bug, since a2ps fails on the same document04:32
Tonio_danimo: confirmed04:32
danimoTonio_: can you try to print a small pdf via a2ps?04:32
danimoor convert it to ps with pdf2ps ?04:32
Tonio_danimo: it works correctly on my second computer04:33
Tonio_at least for pdf04:33
Tonio_what the hell is this......04:34
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danimono idea04:34
danimobut I don't really have time to debug it04:34
danimoas much as I'd like to04:34
Tonio_danimo: both dapper up to date, near by default config04:35
Tonio_danimo: I am not able too04:35
danimoRiddell: can you help out?04:35
danimoRiddell: this looks pretty urgent04:35
Riddellnot if it's a cups problem I can't04:36
danimoRiddell: well, if a2ps works it's probably not a pure cups problem04:37
danimocups/ghostscript, that is04:37
Riddellwe need to poke Diziet04:38
Tonio_Riddell: the strange issue is it works on one of my two machines, both dapper up to date.......;04:38
Tonio_and both with a nearby default config04:38
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danimoTonio_: print to pdf, too?04:38
Tonio_danimo: both04:39
danimointeresting...04:40
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Surakhello05:14
Surakcan anyone confirm bug #19625 ? I don't have any wardware which would need this.05:14
UbugtuMalone bug 19625 in Ubuntu "minor numbers > 255 not supported" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/1962505:14
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sladenSurak: it's the policy just to grab a new major when you hit 256 minors05:17
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bddebianHello05:19
sfllawbddebian: Hello.05:19
zulhey bddebian 05:19
bddebianHello sfllaw, zul05:20
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bddebianKamion: You around by any chance?05:25
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janimoGloubiboulga: hi05:37
Gloubiboulgahi janimo 05:38
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diemanthis should be entertaining05:45
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Robot101dieman: I've done it successfully, the only caveat is you will need to put breezy in sources.list in order to break sysvinit/initscripts/etc pre-depends, and upgrade them first to the breezy version05:48
diemanahh05:48
diemandidn't do that at first05:49
diemanif i get way stuck up im using vmware, so i can just revert to the checkpoint05:49
diemanthanks05:49
diemanwacky05:50
diemani first upgraded autofs, and then sysvinit and initscripts and didn't get stuck05:50
bddebianHeya Gloubiboulga05:51
bddebianjanimo: You're an xfce person right?05:51
janimobddebian: well not xfce upstream05:51
janimobut I use it05:51
Gloubiboulgahi bddebian 05:51
bddebianjanimo: I mean like xubuntu type? :-)05:51
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janimobddebian: yes :) you have a question?05:52
Gloubiboulgabddebian, janimo IS xubuntu ;)05:52
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janimoOMG I am a clone of the gnome interface05:52
bddebianjanimo: Yes, I'm trying to "fix" the wavelan and other plugins for unmet deps but I think they are unfixable :-(05:52
janimobddebian: yes, do not bother with those05:53
bddebian:-(05:53
janimoif they don;t get ported to the new panel by upstream we drop them05:53
janimoforom the archive05:53
bddebianShould they be removed?05:53
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bddebianDoesn't look like they've been touched upstream since 2004?05:53
janimoyes, some of those plugins are unmaintained indeed05:53
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janimosome of the upstreams are porting a few currenlty05:54
janimobut if they're not ready ...05:54
janimoanyway the more useful ones are alreday ported and in main05:54
janimoex cept screenshot which is pending in NEW05:54
bddebianDamn, why do I keep working on worthless stuff :'-(05:54
janimobddebian: sorry :(05:54
Lathiathrm i had an issue with my computer having its date set to 202005:54
Lathiati've sine set it back05:55
Lathiatand now sudo refuses to sudo, stating 'timestamp too far in the future'05:55
bddebianjanimo: NP, I do it constantly :-)05:55
Lathiatwhich is a bit of a problem given its the only way to get root. :\05:55
bddebianLathiat: There's a bug or two on LP for that I think05:55
highvoltageanybody able to point me to a link with some nice gfxboot docs? i read the gfxboot reference at /usr/share/doc/gfxboot/gfxboot.html and it's way more than I need. I just want to change the image on the ubuntu splash CD.05:55
janimobddebian: there are some linux-2.4 packages  in the archive, I think they need to be made to work with udev ;)05:56
bddebianUhm05:56
janimokidding!!!!!05:56
bddebianI'm not a "main" guy :-)05:56
janimobut the xfce stuff which has unmet deps should be marked in the universe unmet dep wiki as not worth touching05:57
janimoso noone wastes time on it. Assuming there is such a wiki page05:57
bddebianjanimo: These are LP bugs, I have kind of already noted them :)05:57
GloubiboulgaOr on the reported bugs05:58
janimook, thanks. There are about 4-5if I am not mistaken?05:58
bddebianjanimo: Aye05:58
bddebianSo, how about zope?  Anyone have some insight on it?05:59
Lathiatgah this is annoying05:59
Lathiatcus i cant reboot anytime soon05:59
Lathiatis there any way to fix this? ;p05:59
diemanRobot101: were you using apt or aptitude?06:00
Robot101dieman: apt06:00
diemanRobot101: when you last tried?06:00
diemanahh06:00
diemanthat might be why too06:00
diemanim an aptitude fiend these days06:00
diemanthe package selection syntax is very useful06:00
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Gloubiboulgajanimo, I still have an issue with gnumeric-gtk, it depends on gnumeric :(06:04
Robot101dieman: right, but how did this impact your upgrade experience?06:04
janimohmm? how come?06:04
janimothrough shlibs?06:04
Gloubiboulgayep06:04
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janimobut the gnumeric  package does not provide .shlibs right?06:05
janimoas it ha sno libraries06:05
bddebianjanimo: How about cpufreq-plugin?  That's not from BerliOS but appears outdated too?  Same issue?06:05
Gloubiboulgait has a lib : libspreadsheet-1.6.3.so06:05
Gloubiboulgabddebian, it's not on berlios indeed, I haven't checked if it's ported, but I guess it's not06:06
bddebianGloubiboulga: It's from here:  http://people.debian.org/~joshk/06:06
janimobddebian: afraid so. I have not checked berlios lately, so if you find a plugin up there which has higher release that ours _and_ says suports the new panel I'd appreciate it :)06:06
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bddebianjanimo: Hmm, one of them did go from 0.10 to 0.11, I'll look06:07
janimobddebian: I saw that. but Ithink it's just bugifx release06:07
janimodatetime or notes right?06:07
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bddebianOh, the notes plugin06:09
janimoGloubiboulga: I wonder if we change gnumeric.shlibs to libspreadsheet 1.6.3 gnumeric |gnumeric-gtk06:10
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Diablo-D3argh, hey everyone06:11
janimosince splitting out a libspreadsheet package is too much right now I guess06:11
Diablo-D3_please_ tell me someone here is on ubuntu dapper atm06:11
Gloubiboulgajanimo, I try 06:11
Diablo-D3can someone tell me the correct size for /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2 as installed by libgl1-mesa and not fglrx?06:11
janimoDiablo-D3: 40682406:12
Diablo-D3AHAH! Now I know what I screwed up06:12
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janimomd5sum f8ca54ca203f133613629c3f62ebcd60  /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.206:12
Diablo-D3I think I figured it out, too06:12
Diablo-D3LD_LIB_PRELOAD_WHATEVER=/original/libGL.so.1.2 compiz06:13
Diablo-D3and run everything else on the libGL that comes with fglrx06:13
janimoGloubiboulga: although we need probably a .shlib file for gnumeric-gtk too06:13
Diablo-D3janimo: and you're not running fglrx, right?06:14
janimono06:14
Diablo-D3no as in you arent, or ...?06:14
Diablo-D3okay, lets see if this damn thing works now06:16
ChipzzDiablo-D3: don't you mean LD_PRELOAD ?06:16
Diablo-D3if it doesnt, Im going to bed06:16
Diablo-D3if it does, Im going to bed06:16
Diablo-D3night all06:16
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=== Topic for #ubuntu-devel: Ubuntu Development (not support, even with dapper) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | If your initramfs is broken in any way, please save a copy for infinity | LP upgraded, report issues on #launchpad | Beta 2 released | please test Xubuntu daily-live beta2 candidate
=== Topic (#ubuntu-devel): set by Kamion at Fri Apr 28 01:48:34 2006
Gloubiboulgajanimo, got a Depends: gnumeric | gnumeric-gtk for gnumeric and gnumeric-gtk06:24
GloubiboulgaI guess it should work, but not sure that it's really clean06:24
janimoGloubiboulga: weird but it hopefully works :)06:24
janimoas they conflict eachother06:24
Gloubiboulgayep06:25
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GloubiboulgaI upload the debs on a mini repo and I'll test06:25
janimoI think a cleaner one would be if libspreadsheet was a separate package and it provided a shlib itself06:25
janimoGloubiboulga: thanks06:25
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bddebianjanimo: Do you know if the xfce4-goodies package is just a meta package for all the BerliOS plugins?06:31
janimobddebian: something like that. will be updated to not depend on the broken ones06:31
janimoonce we are sure which are the final broken ones for dapper06:31
janimobut yes it's just a meta06:31
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dabaR_Does Ubuntu run on a Macbook Pro machine, and which architecture?06:46
Gloubiboulgajanimo, it works :)06:46
Gloubiboulgahmm, it almost works06:47
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bddebianjanimo: Do you want me to subscribe you or xubuntu or anyone to these bugs or is that just overkill for you?06:58
Gloubiboulgabddebian, you can suscribe the xubuntu-team06:59
bddebianGloubiboulga: Will I get in trouble? :-)06:59
Gloubiboulgabddebian, I don't think so :)07:00
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zygahello07:08
bddebianHeya zyga07:10
bddebianHmm, why don't we have python2.3-xml?07:23
LaserJockbecause we hate python2.3? ;-)07:24
bddebianHeh07:24
bddebianI think someone told me that all we are keeping is python2.3 and python2.3-dev but I am probably wrong as always07:24
bddebianOh crap, meeting, bbiab07:24
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slomo_Diziet: ping?07:55
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pygiMithrandir: ping pong08:15
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pygihi spacey08:31
Mithrandirpygi: hi08:31
pygiMithrandir: someone on u-d said he wanted to work on auth-spec for SoC08:32
pygiperhaps we should respond?08:32
Mithrandirindeed.  I'll do that tomorrow.08:35
pygiMithrandir: ok08:35
pygiMithrandir: It would be great if he could really work on it08:36
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pygiif he's skilled enough, ofcourse08:36
Mithrandiryup08:36
Mithrandirabsolutely08:36
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bddebian\sh!08:41
\shhey bddebian08:41
bddebian\sh: Fix that swingwt yet? ;-P08:41
\shbddebian: no..but fixed ubiquity kde-ui :)08:42
bddebianNice08:42
bddebianI don't fix anything anymore, I just bug Kamion :)08:42
\shlol08:43
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thom~08:48
Mithrandir08:48
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bddebian<>08:49
bddebianHello ivoks08:49
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Mithrandirbddebian: , you mean?08:50
bddebianSure08:50
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bddebianSo for diffstat for UVF exceptions, are we supposed to diffstat the orig.tar.gz's or the diff.tar.gz's?09:02
Amaranthogra: SoC application submitted, now for the finger crossing part :)09:02
diemanis there a way to modify the logout window that doesn't involve munging code?09:04
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LaserJockbddebian: include both and you will have covered your bases :-)09:06
bddebianLaserJock: Of course no one reads them anyway :-)09:06
LaserJockbddebian: yeah, just flood them with stuff to look at, they might just approve it just because they don't want to see it anymore09:07
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zul_or see you :)09:12
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bddebianzul_: Well I know, they don't want to see/hear me :)09:19
zul_hehe09:19
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bddebianWhere the heck is everyone today?? :-(09:22
sivangbddebian: I was wondering this since EU morning09:23
Burgworkbddebian, is a holiday in more enlightened places, like Russia and China09:24
TreenaksBurgwork: And most of Europe, except the Netherlands..09:24
bddebianOh yeah?09:24
sivangBurgwork: what sort of holiday?09:25
sivang(memorial/etc?)09:25
Burgworkapparently the workers got all uppity on this day and decided to revolt or something equally charming ;P09:25
jjesseor their illegal immigrants protesting in america :)09:25
zul_may day09:25
Burgworkhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_Day09:25
sivangah, right 1st of may...09:26
sivanghow could I forget09:26
sivangWell, for people not working for government related agencies in .IL, this plain old hard day's working day.09:26
LaserJockdoh, I didn't know it was a holiday :/09:29
BurgworkLaserJock, canada and the us celebrate labour day on other days09:29
sivangBurgwork: why be different?09:29
sivang;-)09:29
Burgworksivang, because the events the may day celebrate happened at other times in Canada09:29
LaserJockwell, I'm waiting to see how many shops are closed here today because of the immigration protest09:30
LaserJockso far this morning it was only the Hispanic shops09:30
sivangLaserJock: where are you in?09:30
LaserJockReno, NV09:30
jjessethe united states09:30
jjesseLaserJock: i've seen no problems on any stores in my part of Michigan09:30
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LaserJockwe have the 2nd largest illegal immigrant populations  per capita in the US09:31
LaserJock(in NV, not Reno specifically)09:32
LaserJockso it was all over the news and there were some things supposed to happen on campus, but I'm not really seeing much09:32
LaserJockbut I just sit in my lab most of the day so I'd probably miss a lot of it anyway09:33
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trappistI'm in TX and I haven't seen any problems at all09:37
trappistconstruction crews are out, restaurants open etc.09:37
lucasyou americans don't know how to make strikes properly. you should have asked us french people :-)09:39
trappistheh09:39
trappistbut I think the strikers are those who aren't yet american but would like to be09:40
LaserJocklucas: yeah, you guys seem to be pros ;-)09:40
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bddebianSo, do I rip python2.3-xml dep from zope2.8?09:40
zul_uh test it first..09:43
bddebianWell I meant change python2.3 deps to 2.4? :-)09:43
bddebianAnd test of course :-)09:43
sivangbddebian: doing Zope ? wow09:46
bddebiansivang: Just trying to fix Unmet Deps bugs09:46
sivangbddebian: ah nice, I should probably join the fun to have you guys cheer for me on ubuntu-dev application09:47
FjodorCould some update of pam or gdm have caused gdm now generating an empty .Xauthority for my gf's account, thus preventing login?09:48
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bddebiansivang: I'll cheer for you anyway :-)09:49
sivangbddebian: thank you!09:49
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bddebiansivang: Maybe I should shoot for main, just to make everyone even more miserable ;-)09:49
bddebianThen I could REALLY break some stuff :-)09:50
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sivangbddebian: you are approved for main uploads,aren't you?09:50
bddebiansivang: Are you kidding? :)09:50
LaserJocksivang: he should be, we are working on him ;-)09:50
bddebianOh stop, they wouldn't have me09:51
bddebianAnd I wouldn't blame them :-)09:51
\shbddebian: wanna have my nick, should be easy then :)09:51
sivangLaserJock: are you already approved there?09:51
bddebian\sh: Great idea! :-)09:51
sivang\sh: then I would need to borrow it for sometime09:52
sivang:)09:52
LaserJocksivang: no, and I don't think I ever will be. I'm pretty content in my Universe world :-)09:52
\shoh guys, I doubt that I will ever apply for main again :) there are a bunch of good kde people working on main :) 09:53
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Burgworksivang, are you not a DD?09:54
sivangBurgwork: nope, am not...was always mostly interestd in Ubuntu , with Debian I've only been a faithful user and amature developer :)09:54
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sivangBurgwork: I've used to lurk alot on #debian-boot, ask Colin and Joey annoying questions :)09:56
sivangBurgwork: this is how I got invited to the pre-warty process09:56
welshbytehow should i build the code that i apt-get sourced and (hopefully) fixed to test it?09:57
Burgworkah09:57
\shwelshbyte: pbuilder 09:57
welshbyte\sh: thanks09:58
\shhttp://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto09:58
welshbyte\sh: thanks again :)09:58
\shwelshbyte: np09:58
bddebianOh frick, I hate it when I do that10:00
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bddebianmako: ping?10:48
Burgworkbddebian, good luck10:51
makoyes10:51
makobddebian: yes10:51
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bddebianmako: Hmm, nevermind, I am clueless.  I was looking at meta-ul but I just figured it out10:58
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bddebianBurgwork: ?10:58
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Burgworkbddebian, mako is a busy person. Doesn't often have time to respond10:59
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bddebianBurgwork: Well I'm used to getting ignored so no problem :-)10:59
bddebianHmm, what should I replace x-window-system with in deps?11:00
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sivanghmm, upbackup binary still not out of NEW I guess..11:11
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MezBenC, ping11:18
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Kamionwelshbyte: different KeyError> if it's just a different number, yes11:33
bddebianKamion!11:33
welshbyteKamion: ok, good good11:33
Kamionbddebian: you'll need to ask elmo about @ubuntu.com e-mail; I have absolutely no idea how that works behind the scenes and almost certainly don't have the necessary access even to look11:34
makobddebian: awesome11:34
makoBurgwork: i respond :)11:34
makoBurgwork: sometimes just slowly :)11:34
bddebianKamion: Aye, I found that out from cprov, thx11:34
bddebianDamnit, now I forgot what I wanted to ask Kamion11:34
thomKamion: you probably don't want to know, either :-)11:34
Burgworkmako, yes11:36
BurgworkKamion, http://easylinux.wordpress.com/2006/04/30/ubuntu-dapper-drake-beta-installation-from-live-cd/ <-- some good points about the UI of ubitquity in there11:37
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Kamionfabbione: I believe all the kernel limits affecting preseeding have been raised to levels high enough that you can basically ignore them now11:38
Kamionfabbione: as of 2.6.911:38
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Kamion\sh: probably easiest to compare with the templates file in a localechooser binary package, specifically the Choices lists for languagechooser/language-name11:39
HiddenWolfBurgwork: good read11:40
Kamion\sh: I wasn't aware of the Unicode problems being at all specific to amd6411:40
Kamion\sh: although I suppose it's not impossible11:40
\shKamion: it wasn't a unicode problem11:41
Kamionjordi: all syncs are blocked due to a launchpad bug; the fix is due to be rolled out on Tuesday (IIRC)11:41
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\shKamion: for choice in sorted(self.language_choice_map): this caused the trouble on amd64...strange but true11:42
\shKamion: with this " for key,value in self.language_choice_map.items(): " where key is the language key of the dict, and value is an array of something, it works11:43
ivoksKamion: that's great news11:43
bddebianHmm, I have to head home and everyone shows up..11:44
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KamionBurgwork: (1) lack of UTC info/selection is known bug, (2) NTP support> er dunno, gnome-system-tools bug? (3) autopartitioning user-awkwardness known but there's no way we'll have time to reorganise that before Dapper *and* stabilise it too, and stabilisation is way more important11:46
KamionBurgwork: (4) "live CD ready to be installed"> true, better wording that's not Ubuntu-specific appreciated11:47
Kamionhmm, suppose I should stick these in as comments11:47
Kamionseems a mostly positive review though, makes a change :)11:47
BurgworkKamion, 2 is a bug that effects all use of that tool, not just through ubitquity11:47
HiddenWolfyeah, it's odd11:48
HiddenWolfHas been that way forever tho.11:48
Burgworkit appears that ntpupdate fails, unlesss you force it to use ntp.ubuntu.com11:48
Burgworksomething wrong in the list of servers it is polling. I should dig deeper11:48
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\shKamion: I send riddell the patch so he can check...I found more but I have to dig deeper into the source11:51
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\shKamion: sad but true, I need a good way to test the live installer somehow...but without vmware it's bad, qemu is on amd64 and remote X display a real fight11:53
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