[03:38] <mdke> hi Madpilot 
[03:38] <Madpilot> hi mdke 
[03:38] <mdke> you ok?
[03:42] <Madpilot> of course - busy this weekend
[03:42] <mdke> good good
[03:42] <mdke> -> bed
[03:42] <Madpilot> g'night
[08:07] <Madpilot> hi robitaille 
[08:08] <robitaille> Hi Madpilot 
[06:20] <WaterSevenUb> hey guys... can someone explain me what is the intent of website-index? https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+source/ubuntu-docs/+pots/website-index
[07:09] <LaserJock> WaterSevenUb: I'd ask the list if you don't get an answer here. I don't have a clue
[07:19] <WaterSevenUb> thank you.
[08:08] <mgalvin> mdke: the new web site looks good
[08:09] <mgalvin> i see we seem to share the same love of grey :)
[08:10] <LaserJock> mgalvin: URL?
[08:13] <mgalvin> http://mdke.org/
[08:13] <LaserJock> doh
[08:13] <mgalvin> hehe
[08:13] <mgalvin> he bloged about it on planet
[08:14] <mdke> mgalvin: :) I copied the design from an OSWD template
[08:16] <jjesse> grey is so boring, use kubuntu blue instead :)
[08:16] <LaserJock> I like the grey
[08:17] <LaserJock> jjesse: he's English, he has to be boring ;-)
[08:33] <mgalvin> haha :)
[08:38] <robotgeek> LaserJock: pong
[08:38] <LaserJock> robotgeek: did I ping?
[08:38] <robotgeek> LaserJock: sure, scripting is always fun. I'm reading more about unicode, so that I can be more useful
[08:39] <LaserJock> I was thinking it might be nice to make a single script that helps the doc team out
[08:40] <robotgeek> i am at a friends place, so network access is intermittent for me (stealing)
[08:40] <LaserJock> and then maybe we wouldn't have to bug mdke all the time about how to do stuff
[08:40] <mdke> what did you have in mind?
[08:41] <LaserJock> I was thinking of the validating, stripping the xml to plain text, maybe pot generation. I have to look into some of it
[08:42] <LaserJock> the nice thing about doing it in python is that it is very portable
[08:42] <mdke> well, making pots wouldn't be too hard.
[08:42] <mdke> why stripping to plain text?
[08:42] <LaserJock> cause I saw it was like 3 line in my Python Cookbook ;-)
[08:42] <robotgeek> validating is one command anyways, converting to pot is also one command
[08:42] <mdke> well, we have a validation script that works well.
[08:43] <mdke> and we've got those scripts for processing translations
[08:43] <robotgeek> i've been putting some effort into learning what unicode is all about :)
[08:43] <robotgeek> hopefully, today i will finish the svg generation script
[08:44] <LaserJock> I mean, for sure I'll have to think of some better examples, but validating (and checking for well formmedness) is very easy with python
[08:44] <mdke> LaserJock: you don't like our validation script?
[08:45] <LaserJock> mdke: it's not that. I was thinking of just putting everything together into a single script
[08:45] <mdke> the problem is, so far we're talking about totally different functions, so you generally wouldn't want to run them together
[08:45] <mdke> and the translation scripts call the validation script now 
[08:46] <LaserJock> why not? something like "docscript validate" validates and "docscript translate" would do the translations
[08:46] <LaserJock> I'll have to see if I can make a mockup or something
[08:46] <robotgeek> very easy with bash too :)
[08:46] <LaserJock> I probably won't have anything before dapper is out
[08:47] <LaserJock> robotgeek: yes, but my point is portability. I guess that isn't an issue for you guys
[08:47] <mdke> ./validate.sh validates, and translate.sh does the translations, i am not seeing the difference yet
[08:47] <LaserJock> I work from OS X and Windows all the time
[08:47] <robotgeek> ah, okay. cygwin not work?
[08:47] <robotgeek> OS X should not be an issue
[08:47] <LaserJock> robotgeek: I'm not a big cygwin fan
[08:47] <LaserJock> and OS X has it's issues
[08:48] <robotgeek> subprocess.popen
[08:48] <LaserJock> all I'm saying is that I'd like to see if I could improve upon what we currently have
[08:48] <LaserJock> robotgeek: pyxml
[08:49] <robotgeek> LaserJock: you want to implement what in pyxml? validation?
[08:49] <LaserJock> robotgeek: yeah, it is like 2 lines
[08:49] <robotgeek> really. hmm
[08:50] <LaserJock> ok, so let me list some of the things for XML from the python cookbook.
[08:50] <robotgeek> is that book online? :)
[08:51] <LaserJock> checking XML well-formedness, counting tags, extracting text, autodetectinl XML encoding,  validating, filtering elements and attributes belonging to a given namespace
[08:51] <LaserJock> robotgeek: I don't think so, I bought it from Barnes & Noble
[08:52] <LaserJock> I don't know, I was just impressed and thought that perhaps some stuff would be usefull to the doc team
[08:53] <LaserJock> It isn't even a brain dump at this point ;-)
[08:54] <robotgeek> cool, i'll look thru it. 
[08:54] <robotgeek> anyways, i gotta run now. work a bit on the svg thing so that i can show madpilot too
[09:50] <LaserJock> mdke: is the pdf of the lulu book availaible?
[09:57] <LaserJock> why hello Bluekuja ;-)
[09:57] <cbx33> good evening
[09:57] <Bluekuja> hey laserjock :)
[09:57] <cbx33> hi Bluekuja LaserJock 
[09:59] <LaserJock> are you guys interested in creating documenation to ship with Edubuntu?
[09:59] <cbx33> we are indeed
[09:59] <cbx33> tis why we are here LaserJock :p
[09:59] <LaserJock> ok, so you might start by checking out the doc teams svn repo and learning some of the tools
[10:00] <cbx33> will do
[10:00] <LaserJock> do either of you know Docbook XML?
[10:00] <cbx33> yes
[10:00] <Bluekuja> yep, mdke told me about it
[10:00] <cbx33> I used it for creating a man page for LTSP
[10:00] <LaserJock> ok, so https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/GettingStarted should get you started
[10:00] <cbx33> thank you
[10:01] <LaserJock> I've got a meeting for about 30-45 min, but I'll be back if you need more info
[10:01] <Bluekuja> ok thank you very much jordan
[10:01] <Bluekuja> mdke: when you have a minute, ping me i have to show you something
[11:18] <mdke> LaserJock: http://mdke.org/ubuntu/lulu
[11:18] <mdke> Bluekuja: yes
[11:19] <LaserJock> mdke: ah thanks.
[11:20] <cbx33> hi mdke 
[11:20] <mdke> hi cbx33 
[11:21] <LaserJock> mdke: cbx33 and Bluekuja are interested in writing docs for Edubuntu so I suggested they come over to the doc team
[11:22] <LaserJock> mdke: they are currently working (I'm helping a little bit) on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuSchoolAdvocacy/
[11:22] <cbx33> we're hoping to have a solid draft by thursday
[11:22] <cbx33> which I will then be converting into DocBook format
[11:23] <mdke> cool
[11:23] <mdke> You might want to talk to a few others about it, because there are various groups working on edubuntu documentation, I think
[11:23] <cbx33> take a look and if you have any feedback it'd be greatfully received
[11:23] <cbx33> yes there are
[11:23] <cbx33> our final aim for this is to produce a printed pamphlet
[11:23] <cbx33> that can be sent out to schools to try to raise ubuntu/edubuntu awareness
[11:24] <mdke> ok. I don't have the time to take a serious look at it, but send it to the mailing list and I'm sure loads of people will take a look.
[11:24] <mdke> looks like a cool idea
[11:24] <cbx33> excellent thank you mdke 
[11:57] <WaterSevenUb> mdke,around? Did you see my question in the backlog about website-index?