[12:21] <dieta> Hello
[01:14] <bmonty> anyone know why pbuilder would install a package (libssl-dev) and then remove it?
[01:17] <\sh> bmonty: how do you mean "install it and directly remove it?"
[01:20] <bmonty> \sh: in installing the build-deps it installs libssl-dev and then later I see the package being removed
[01:21] <\sh> but before the source actually is compiled?
[01:21] <bmonty> yes
[01:21] <bmonty> I'm trying to rebuild freeradius with EAP-TLS and TTLS enabled
[01:23] <\sh> strange...
[01:24] <bmonty> could it be that one of the build-deps conflicts with libssl-dev?
[01:25] <bmonty> is there a way I can "force" pbuilder to ignore an error with build-dep install?
[01:28] <bmonty> I figured it out....libssl-dev was listed as a build conflict
[02:04] <bddebian> What's up folks?
[02:36] <J_P> hi all
[03:16] <Laser_away> bddebian: absolutely nothing here, apparently ;-)
[03:16] <bddebian> Laser_away: Ahh
[03:16] <crimsun> which is a good thing, since I have four finals to give this coming week.
[03:16] <bddebian> Doh
[03:16] <bddebian> I'm looking at xfce4-wavelan-plugin :-(
[03:18] <Laser_away> hmm, for some odd reason my nvidia card doesn't work
[03:22] <bddebian> Ack, where the hell is this thing picking up aclocal-1.8
[03:58] <zul> heylo
[04:00] <zul> all of those builddepends bugs have been taken care of?
[04:01] <zul> oh wait never mind..there is just more bugs
[04:01] <bddebian> Unmet Deps?  Hell no :-(
[04:01] <bddebian> I'm playing with xfce4-wavelan-plugin now but failing :'-(
[04:06] <bddebian> Who's the xfce guru around here..
[04:07] <zul> im thinking the xubuntu guys
[04:11] <bddebian> zul: Yeah, but who are they? :-)
[04:12] <zul> #xubuntu
[04:13] <bddebian> Is there a #xubuntu-dev?
[04:14] <zul> doesnt look like it
[04:15] <Laser_away> bddebian: janimo is who you want
[04:15] <bddebian> Ah
[04:17] <Laser_away> bddebian: although I think crimsun works on xfce stuff as well
[04:18] <bddebian> I thought so too
[04:18] <bddebian> But crimsun hates me ;-P
[04:19] <zul> gah?
[06:29] <Hobbsee> hi everyone
[06:41] <bddebian> Heya Hobbsee
[06:43] <Hobbsee> hey bddebian :)
[07:06] <crimsun> bddebian: you should just apply for main. That would resolve such issues. :)
[07:06] <bddebian> crimsun: I'd love to but I don't think I'm on the favored list :-)
[07:07] <bddebian> Heya tuxmaniac
[07:07] <crimsun> bah, there's no favoured list :)
[07:07] <crimsun> besides, you have enough good will from breezy
[07:07] <bddebian> I do?
[07:07] <tuxmaniac> bddebian: Hi. Whats the favoured list all abt? Can i know?
[07:08] <bddebian> tuxmaniac: Inside joke.  crimsun says I should shoot for main uploader, but I usually just annoy those poor folks :-(
[07:08] <tuxmaniac> :))
[07:10] <tuxmaniac> Guys did u see a bug report from one Richard Feynman!!!!
[07:10] <tuxmaniac> bug 42283
[07:10] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 42283 in vim-latexsuite "not possible to launch evince as dvi viewer programm out of gvim latexsuite" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/42283
[07:13] <tuxmaniac> Hope you guys know what I am thinking!! :)
[07:19] <tuxmaniac> bddebian: It works for me or I mean I have not understood the bug!!!
[07:19] <tuxmaniac> He asks me to open a .tex file in gvim out of nautilus!!!
[07:20] <bddebian> Sorry man, it's 1:30am, I'm fading fast
[07:20] <tuxmaniac> Oh ok. Sorry bddebian
[07:20] <tuxmaniac> Its 10:50 AM here :)
[07:20] <bddebian> NP :-)
[09:44] <sivang> morning all
[09:44] <kelmo> hi siretart, all
[09:45] <siretart> hey kelmo
[09:45] <kelmo> siretart: nice wiki page
[09:45] <sivang> hey siretart , kelmo
[09:45] <siretart> kelmo: thanks :)
[09:45] <kelmo> siretart: thanks a lot!
[09:45] <Tonio_> hi everyone
[09:45] <sivang> kelmo: which wiki page?
[09:45] <kelmo> hi sivang
[09:45] <kelmo> wiki.debian.org/WPA
[09:46] <siretart> I wanted to do something about the empty alioth page, and decided to create a wiki page instead
[09:46] <Tonio_> siretart: how long will we be able to make uvf exceptions ?
[09:46] <kelmo> siretart: which is perfect
[09:47] <siretart> Tonio_: we don't actually have a deadline, but I think that we 3 will keep on focusing more and more on bugs than on uvf exceptions
[09:47] <Tonio_> siretart: we have an updated version of knetworkmanager but since we're waiting informations upstream, I'like to anticipate not to be too late :)
[09:47] <Tonio_> siretart: ok, that's just since knetworkmanager is a big feature for kubuntu so.... may I ping you when uvfe is online ? :)
[09:47] <siretart> Tonio_: if you think that knetworkmanager needs an exception, just add the information we need, along with some sort of risk analysis
[09:48] <Tonio_> siretart: sure ;)
[09:48] <siretart> Tonio_: I'll get an email as soon as you assign that bug to motu-uvf
[09:48] <sivang> siretart: are you a DD already?
[09:48] <siretart> sivang: no, still waiting on AM assignment :(
[09:48] <Tonio_> siretart: ah, true, I forgot you got emails for this... (stupid myself !)
[09:48] <sivang> siretart: ah, nice to know you've already gone through all the other administrativa :-)
[09:49] <sivang> siretart: epsecially, the techincal inquery
[09:49] <siretart> sivang: err, the AM does the P&P and T&S inquery, I've only been advocated so far
[09:51] <ivoks> did anyone did translations with rosetta?
[09:58] <sivang> siretart: ah, woops, sorry. I'm sure you'll make it thouhg :)
[10:22] <vud1> hi. I am reading all the possible rols ubuntu contributors.. and i see that there are de uploaders, de reviewers and the motus, arent they?
[10:24] <G0SUB> sivang
[10:25] <vud1> but i havent a clear idea about the diference between the motus and the reviewers one
[10:35] <sivang> G0SUB: ?
[10:35] <G0SUB> sivang: how are you ?
[10:45] <\sh> moins
[11:06] <sivang> G0SUB: fine, and you?
[11:06] <G0SUB> sivang: I am ok too!
[12:23] <zakame> hi all
[12:28] <zakame> hi all
[12:38] <Gloubiboulga> hi zakame
[12:40] <G0SUB> Gloubiboulga
[12:46] <Gloubiboulga> hello G0SUB :)
[12:47] <G0SUB> Gloubiboulga: hi!
[02:03] <zul> heylo
[02:03] <phanatic> hi people
[02:08] <Gloubiboulga> phanatic, zul, hello
[02:10] <jpatrick> hello *
[02:11] <phanatic> hey Gloubiboulga
[02:29] <Hobbsee> hey all
[02:41] <Kyral> RPI?
[02:47] <Kyral> yes?
[02:47] <Kyral> Hey
[02:48] <Kyral> I apologize for my behavior
[02:48] <Hobbsee> Kyral: oh?  which was this?
[02:48] <Kyral> but if the RPI in his hostmask means Rochester Polytech Instutute, then I have a minor annoyance with him
[02:49] <Kyral> Being that I hail from Clarkson Univerisity, and we are rivals
[02:49] <tseng> hm didnt clarkson have some kind of big linux project
[02:50] <tseng> i forget what it was about, some custom distro
[02:50] <Kyral> Xen based, but Ed kinda went AWOL on us
[02:50] <Kyral> Xen Breezy
[02:50] <tseng> no before that
[02:50] <tseng> a few years ago
[02:50] <Kyral> Dunno, I'm only a Sopomore
[02:50] <tseng> i think it was based on gentoo
[02:50] <Kyral> I think someone was working on a frontend to Portage
[02:51] <Kyral> you can check the COSI webpage if you are really interested, we archive EVERYTHING
[02:51] <Kyral> cosi.clarkson.edu
[02:52] <jpatrick> must have a lot of free space
[02:52] <Kyral> but more recently, Clarkson took 1st and 2nd place in Tuxmasters
[02:52] <tseng> that only goes back to 2005
[02:53] <Kyral> *shrug*
[02:53] <Kyral> I recall seeing a machine labelled for the purpose before we started cleaning out the other day
[02:53] <tseng> Pen2 Gentoo Installer
[02:53] <Kyral> yea! Labs getting renovated, HAPPY!!
[02:53] <tseng> that was it
[02:54] <Kyral> It was prolly Rouslan's way to automate the installation of the old lab build, which ran Gentoo
[02:54] <tseng> no, it was just your generic gui installer
[02:54] <tseng> it was okayish
[02:56] <Kyral> I mean, I'm gonna try to create a custom distro on my own, just to see if I can actually do it
[02:58] <Kyral> COSI: Defying Convention 25 hours a day, 8 days a week, 367 days a year
[02:59] <tseng> modifying ubuntu is too easy to bother with anything else
[02:59] <Kyral> Yanno, I had a working Lab Build based on Ubuntu
[02:59] <Kyral> but the day before we were set to install it
[03:00] <Kyral> they were like "well, we are gonna try Fedora for a day"
[03:00] <tseng> ...
[03:00] <Kyral> and next thing I knew my work was sent to /dev/null
[03:00] <Kyral> The general opinion of Ubuntu in the COSI is very low
[03:01] <Kyral> I mean they support the whole newbie friendly thing, but as a distro for technically proficient people, the opinion is very low
[03:03] <Kyral> Then again a bunch of people still run it on laptops because its fire and forget and for a system like a laptop, you don't really feel like messing around with configurations
[03:04] <Kyral> I think right now we have 3 ArchLinux users (including me), 2 - 3 Ubuntu users, and 1 Slackware user
[03:05] <Kyral> oh and 1 OpenSuSE user
[03:06] <Kyral> sorry..you got me talking about COSI and I'm passionate about COSI :D
[03:06] <tseng> putting Open next to SuSE is such a farse
[03:06] <Kyral> IIRC, they basically did the same thing that RedHat did with Fedora right?
[03:07] <Kyral> Holy cow, Slack is FINALLY gonna ship a 2.6 kernel by defualt
[03:08] <tseng> Kyral: with a bit less Open
[03:08] <Kyral> tseng: ah
[03:08] <tseng> i dont know of any community contributors
[03:08] <Kyral> I tried it over the semester, but found it too "top heavy"
[03:08] <Kyral> yah...this is why I like ArchLinux's AUR
[03:09] <tseng> i know of a small handful of community fedora members
[03:09] <Kyral> Its even more open than Debian and Ubuntu when it comes to community
[03:09] <tseng> being more open
[03:09] <tseng> than ubuntu is asking for trouble i think
[03:10] <Kyral> I mean in that you still have to have "Trusted Users" (like MOTU)
[03:10] <Kyral> but like even untrusted builds are in AUR, (not available via pacman mind you), in the "unsupported" category
[03:10] <Kyral> people use and vote on them and the TUs mark them safe or not
[03:12] <Kyral> if a PKGBUILD is safe and gets 25 votes, it winds up in community
[03:13] <tseng> if you take a look over at the gentoo forums, youll find proof that you can get 25 idiots to agree on anything
[03:13] <Kyral> lol
[03:13] <zul> thats why they have gentoo
[03:14] <tseng> I will let the MOTU and Debian look after my system :)
[03:14] <Kyral> I like the system
[03:14] <Kyral> granted I haven't tried to push anything through it yet lol
[03:22] <Kyral> lol, debootstrap is in AUR
[03:36] <Kyral> Oh well, EXAM TIME
[03:36] <Hobbsee> hehe...enjoy
[03:37] <Kyral> Ugh, if that wasn't sarcasm I'd kill you through your monitor
[03:38] <ajmitch> heh :)
[03:39] <Mithrandir> ehlo dudes and dudette(s)
[03:39] <ajmitch> hi Mithrandir
[03:39] <phanatic> hi Mithrandir :)
[03:40] <Hobbsee> hey Mithrandir
[04:12] <jpatrick> Can someone look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2316 ?
[04:21] <zakame> hi all
[04:23] <Hobbsee> hi and bye zakame
[04:23] <zakame> heya Hobbsee!
[04:37] <phanatic> hey zakame
[04:37] <zakame> heya phanatic!
[04:38] <phanatic> zakame: i saw you wanna participate in soc :)
[04:39] <zakame> yup, I am working on a proposal right now :D
[04:39] <phanatic> just like me :)
[04:40] <zakame> coolness! :D
[04:42] <phanatic> i hope you're submitting to ubuntu as well ;)
[04:43] <zakame> phanatic: yes, actually I am trying to catch ogra to talk about that willow packaging
[04:44] <phanatic> oh, i see
[04:44] <zakame> I feel I should do something for edubuntu now :)
[04:46] <phanatic> zakame: i plan to do some gui development
[04:47] <zakame> phanatic: coolness!  I haven't gotten around to do GUIs, although I'm now happily trekking down the GTK-tutorial lane
[04:48] <phanatic> :)
[04:59] <G0SUB> phanatic
[04:59] <phanatic> hey G0SUB
[05:00] <G0SUB> phanatic: doing SoC stuff?
[05:00] <phanatic> right
[05:00] <G0SUB> phanatic: well, me too!
[05:01] <G0SUB> phanatic: I want to do the Samba GUI & the Offline Updater thingy
[05:01] <phanatic> G0SUB: yeah, i've noticed you're doing offline-update (or update-offline :)), great idea imho
[05:01] <G0SUB> phanatic: I hope so :)
[05:01] <G0SUB> phanatic: did you read the spec?
[05:02] <phanatic> yep
[05:02] <G0SUB> phanatic: is the spec ok?
[05:04] <G0SUB> phanatic: what are you working on? Bzr?
[05:05] <phanatic> G0SUB: i think it's alright
[05:05] <phanatic> yeah, bzr-gui
[05:05] <G0SUB> phanatic: excellent
[05:05] <G0SUB> and zakame ?
[05:08] <G0SUB> phanatic: why isn't the submission form online yet?
[05:08] <phanatic> he's working on pachaging willow i think
[05:09] <phanatic> i don't know... we have time till the 8th anyway :)
[05:10] <sivang> phanatic: bzr-gui? in SoC ?
[05:11] <sivang> phanatic: you have a spec for that?
[05:12] <phanatic> sivang: yup, http://bazaar-vcs.org/GraphicalUserInterface
[05:15] <sivang> phanatic: nice, are you already accpeted to do it by google?
[05:16] <zul> hey hub
[05:16] <sivang> hmm
[05:16] <sivang> http://code.google.com/soc/ubuntu/about.html
[05:16] <sivang> empty?
[05:19] <bddebian> Heya gang
[05:20] <phanatic> sivang: decisions will be made till 22nd may
[05:21] <phanatic> the application process begins today
[05:21] <phanatic> hey bddebian :)
[05:21] <bddebian> Hello phanatic
[05:24] <sivang> phanatic: can non student people apply?
[05:24] <phanatic> sivang: you have to be enrolled with a university
[05:25] <hub> sivang: it is a student project
[05:26] <hub> sivang: I suspect they get tax credit for that
[05:26] <hub> sivang: that's why they restrict to students
[05:27] <hub> at least that is what I think it is, I have no insider information
[05:34] <phanatic> wb Gloubiboulga
[05:35] <Gloubiboulga> ty phanatic :)
[05:35] <phanatic> Gloubiboulga: i saw you were accepted as ubuntu developer. congratulations :)
[05:35] <Gloubiboulga> thanks phanatic :)
[05:45] <sivang> hub: k, thanks
[05:53] <G0SUB> sivang: can you review the spec I wrote for my SoC project?
[05:55] <bddebian> ajmitch_: You around?
[05:56] <Yagisan> bddebian: it's about 3am in NZ atm, so I expect he is in bed
[05:56] <bddebian> Well wake his ass up :-)
[05:56] <bddebian> BTW, Hi Yagisan
[05:56] <bddebian> Anyone else deal with zope?
[05:57] <Yagisan> bddebian: it's like a 2-3 hour flight to NZ, then I need to get a connecting flight to south island to do that
[05:57] <bddebian> Heh
[05:58] <Yagisan> bddebian: oh, G'day, and no - I'm only a user.
[06:39] <sivang> G0SUB: sure, send me the link by email
[06:39] <sivang> G0SUB: sivan@ubuntu.com
[06:40] <G0SUB> sivang: okay. thanks
[06:50] <G0SUB> sivang: sent
[06:56] <phanatic> sivang: will you be a mentor?
[06:57] <phanatic> (btw is there a list of mentors for ubuntu?)
[07:08] <bddebian> Heya LaserJock
[07:09] <LaserJock> hi bddebian
[08:37] <\sh> remoins
[08:38] <LaserJock> hi \sh
[09:19] <bddebian> ajmitch: Awake yet? :-)
[10:01] <bddebian> Where's Daniel been hiding?
[10:01] <bddebian> LaserJock: How about we just upload xircuit? ;-P
[10:02] <LaserJock> bddebian: which one?
[10:02] <bddebian> LaserJock: tuxmaniacs :-)
[10:02] <LaserJock> umm, no
[10:02] <bddebian> No?
[10:02] <LaserJock> I need to look at that. Lintian and linda has some complaints that didn't look trivial
[10:02] <LaserJock> bddebian: did you look at it?
[10:03] <bddebian> They are trivial but they should be looked at/fixed since we are jumping Debian
[10:03] <LaserJock> tuxmaniac said that he though the errors were there before
[10:03] <bddebian> Because the Debian maintainer is lazy? :-)
[10:04] <bddebian> It's things like standards version, "Should mention NMU", that type of crap
[10:20] <hub> hey \sh
[10:22] <\sh> hey hub :)
[10:22] <bddebian> Do we have something that can unpack a .jar file?
[10:23] <hub> bddebian: unzip
[10:23] <hub> bddebian: .jar is .zip basically
[10:24] <bddebian> Hmm
[10:25] <Gloubiboulga> Gnight MOTUs
[10:27] <bddebian> OK, I'm not touching jython from upstream.. Ugh
[11:17] <LaserJock> bddebian: do you think the xcircuit on revu is ready to go?
[11:18] <LaserJock> bddebian: "xcircuit source: build-depends-on-obsolete-package build-depends: xlibs-dev" needs to get fixed
[11:19] <crimsun> libx11-dev at the very least. In Debian that's a serious bug.
[11:22] <bddebian> LaserJock: We should probably fix the lintian errors but I don't want to step on tuxmaniacs toes since he did all the work
[11:23] <LaserJock> bddebian: sure
[11:26] <LaserJock> bddebian: ack, do we have a UVF exception for xcircuit?
[11:27] <bddebian> Of course not :-)
[11:28] <LaserJock> uggh, well at least having a working package should help the process :-)
[11:28] <bddebian> Yep
[11:28] <bddebian> If anyone actually looks at the UVF bugs :)
[12:01] <bddebian> Later folks