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| LaserJock | hi HedgeMage | 04:54 |
| HedgeMage | hi LaserJock | 04:59 |
| HedgeMage | what's up? | 04:59 |
| LaserJock | oh, working on some bugs and trying to get a little research done on the side | 05:00 |
| HedgeMage | cool | 05:01 |
| LaserJock | well, I've got to do a research presentation on Wednesday so I better get some done :-) | 05:03 |
| HedgeMage | lol what on? | 05:05 |
| LaserJock | well, the short version would be that I'm trying to watch molecules in a thin layer of polymer change when I excite them with a laser | 05:07 |
| HedgeMage | and you can do that while IRCing? :P | 05:08 |
| LaserJock | well, I'm actually trying to distil toluene (paint thinner) right now | 05:08 |
| HedgeMage | lol | 05:09 |
| HedgeMage | I'll see you in a bit, have to run out | 05:09 |
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| cbx33 | mornin all | 08:47 |
| HedgeMage | hi cbx33 | 08:52 |
| cbx33 | hi HedgeMage | 08:53 |
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| cbx33 | ing ogra | 10:53 |
| ogra | ong cbx33 | 10:54 |
| cbx33 | found a few more bugs in the live cd | 10:54 |
| cbx33 | need to ask your opinion on some though | 10:54 |
| cbx33 | that nautilus bug where it doesn't show files saved on the desktop....has happened on a real machine not just a VM ware one | 10:54 |
| cbx33 | I've bug reported that | 10:54 |
| cbx33 | after restarting nautilius it shows them and continues to function as expected thereafter | 10:55 |
| ogra | i'm just looking at the khangman one | 10:55 |
| cbx33 | but here are my new ones, oh, I bugged the khangman one | 10:55 |
| cbx33 | two different icons for evolution ?? | 10:55 |
| cbx33 | confusing for end user... | 10:55 |
| cbx33 | well confused me anyway...and I'm supposed to be technical :p | 10:56 |
| cbx33 | that was 1) | 10:56 |
| cbx33 | 2) gnome-cups-manager not showing printer I just created, can't add any printer, network or local | 10:56 |
| cbx33 | 3) what Does Network proxy affect....? - More of a question | 10:56 |
| cbx33 | 4) Does dictionary use proxy on HTTP, if not useless to most UK schools | 10:56 |
| cbx33 | 5) Remove some of the icon themes to save space? Same with login manager ?? | 10:57 |
| cbx33 | 5) Remove some of the icon themes to save space? Same with login manager ?? | 10:57 |
| cbx33 | 6) Remove Hibernation - this one is really upsetting me | 10:57 |
| cbx33 | heheh | 10:57 |
| cbx33 | :p | 10:57 |
| cbx33 | that's it for the moment | 10:57 |
| cbx33 | tell me if you want me to bug report any of them | 10:57 |
| cbx33 | sorry it's a long list | 11:00 |
| cbx33 | I'm still testing | 11:00 |
| ogra | two icons for evolution is fine, they start two different parts of evo | 11:02 |
| cbx33 | ashh ok | 11:02 |
| cbx33 | not on first run | 11:02 |
| cbx33 | thats y it confused me | 11:02 |
| ogra | (one starts evo and the other starts evo --mail or something) | 11:02 |
| ogra | 2) seems to be a cups bug | 11:05 |
| ogra | 3) should affect *all* proxy settings | 11:05 |
| cbx33 | 3) doesn't | 11:06 |
| ogra | 4) it should | 11:06 |
| cbx33 | :p | 11:06 |
| cbx33 | 4) doesn't seem to | 11:06 |
| ogra | (if one is set indeed) | 11:06 |
| cbx33 | of course | 11:06 |
| cbx33 | if these don;t shall I bug them>? | 11:06 |
| cbx33 | so are you saying network proxy should set my firefox proxy? | 11:06 |
| ogra | first look for existing bugs i cant imagine there are none | 11:06 |
| ogra | iirc yes, but i have used my last proxy 2 years ago | 11:07 |
| cbx33 | ok | 11:07 |
| cbx33 | of course I will | 11:07 |
| cbx33 | 5,6 ? | 11:08 |
| cbx33 | hehe | 11:08 |
| ogra | 6) no way | 11:09 |
| ogra | 5) will have to be an argument with ubuntu, we want you to be able to easily switch between ubuntu/edubuntu | 11:10 |
| ogra | the themes belong to gnome default | 11:10 |
| ogra | so i'm not sure we should drop them | 11:10 |
| cbx33 | ok | 11:10 |
| cbx33 | 6 why? | 11:10 |
| cbx33 | hibernation will never work on live cd apprently | 11:10 |
| cbx33 | that's the response to my bug comment | 11:11 |
| cbx33 | I just think that people may try to use it and be dissapointed, or in my case, break the live cd from being able to boot again | 11:17 |
| ogra | oh, you talked exclusively about the liveCd | 11:21 |
| ogra | thats bugged several times | 11:22 |
| cbx33 | yes, sorry ogra at the mo I'm testing livecd | 11:22 |
| ogra | (didnt we talk about it around beta already ?) | 11:22 |
| cbx33 | thought you knew :p | 11:22 |
| cbx33 | we did indeed | 11:22 |
| cbx33 | but my comment was blown out of the water :p | 11:22 |
| cbx33 | not by you | 11:26 |
| cbx33 | by someone else on launchpad | 11:26 |
| cbx33 | seems some of those issues are not bugged on lp | 11:36 |
| cbx33 | so I will do them now | 11:36 |
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| cbx33 | hi highvoltage | 12:00 |
| cbx33 | howz it going | 12:00 |
| cbx33 | ok, bugged all the ones that needed it | 12:07 |
| cbx33 | anything in particular you want me to test ogra? | 12:08 |
| cbx33 | I'm just working my way through each application at the moment | 12:08 |
| cbx33 | one thing I have found in some of the educational packages is there is a lack of.....how can i describe it....first help. When the application is run for the first time, it has taken me a good few minutes to work out what I have to do with the package. Wondering if this is something that can be improved upon in eft? | 12:09 |
| ogra | mhz was working on a wikipage for that once, dunno if he ever finished it | 12:11 |
| ogra | (i dont care much about improving kdeed, since my main target is to drop it :) ) | 12:11 |
| cbx33 | ogra: it may tie into the current schooladvocacy and support network projects I have planned | 12:11 |
| cbx33 | ogra: what will replace it? | 12:11 |
| ogra | nothing yet, thats why we still ship it and have an exploding CD all the time | 12:12 |
| cbx33 | are there things in the pipeline? | 12:12 |
| highvoltage | hi cbx33 | 12:13 |
| ogra | nope, i was thinking about making it a SoC spec, but i wont mentor more than one and willow is way more important | 12:13 |
| highvoltage | hi ogra | 12:13 |
| cbx33 | willow? | 12:13 |
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| ogra | highvoltage, the multiarch stuff is initially based on Yagisans patch (even there is not much left of the original code he submitted) | 12:14 |
| highvoltage | ogra: ok :) | 12:14 |
| ogra | and ppc clients on i386 servers only work with a trick https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation/LTSPCrossArchSetup | 12:15 |
| === highvoltage looks | ||
| ogra | since the second half of ltsp-build-client needs to execute binarys in the chroot, you need a compatible CPU to build the initial chroot | 12:16 |
| cbx33 | ahh therein lies a problem | 12:16 |
| highvoltage | i see what you mean | 12:16 |
| ogra | once quemu is in a usable state we can have real multiarch, but for now you need he liveCD workaround | 12:16 |
| highvoltage | ogra: do you think it's completely unlikely that we'll ever have an official add-on CD? | 12:16 |
| cbx33 | i was just bout to suggest qemu | 12:17 |
| cbx33 | an add on CD would be grand | 12:17 |
| ogra | its completely unlikely we'll ever ship it, but i can imagine a add-on CD | 12:17 |
| highvoltage | ogra: that adds things like kde edu (in edgy) other edu games we don't have yet (like anagramarama), etc | 12:17 |
| cbx33 | does this mean kdeedu will be dropped in eft? | 12:18 |
| ogra | we need a solution for the space probelm in eft anyway ... | 12:18 |
| highvoltage | cbx33: yep. it's just too big. | 12:18 |
| ogra | one option would be a separate language CD | 12:18 |
| ogra | another would be a separate apps add-on CD | 12:18 |
| highvoltage | language support is probably more important than kdeedu | 12:18 |
| cbx33 | I'm worried about what we will replace it with | 12:19 |
| ogra | i hope you get your sponsoring for paris, so we can spec it there | 12:19 |
| highvoltage | since high schools / universities would all use languages, but not all kdeedu. | 12:19 |
| cbx33 | true | 12:19 |
| highvoltage | ogra: that's what i'm hoping for :) | 12:19 |
| cbx33 | but where are we aiming it for now? | 12:19 |
| cbx33 | primary/secondary/college/university? | 12:19 |
| highvoltage | ogra: my #1 mission for that was to convince you of an add-on cd in person. but it seems like i'm almost there on irc already ;) | 12:19 |
| cbx33 | i think an add-on cd would be excellent | 12:20 |
| === cbx33 would love to make it to Paris | ||
| cbx33 | not sure I'll be able to though | 12:20 |
| === cbx33 is now wondering if half the docs for the schools advocacy will be relevant in 6 months :S | ||
| ogra | cbx33, thats a longstanding problem even ubuntu has :) | 12:22 |
| ogra | the drawback of a 6 month release cycle | 12:22 |
| ogra | :) | 12:22 |
| cbx33 | yeh indeed, | 12:22 |
| cbx33 | but removal of kdeedu is a big thing | 12:22 |
| ogra | ask the people who write printed books ;) | 12:23 |
| cbx33 | hallf the schools docs is about kdeedu :p | 12:23 |
| cbx33 | what is going to be our distinguishing feature against ubuntu | 12:23 |
| ogra | ltsp by default is still our most distinguishing feature | 12:24 |
| cbx33 | yeh | 12:24 |
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| pygi | JaneW: hi, you around? | 12:26 |
| JaneW | pygi: hi, yes | 12:26 |
| pygi | JaneW: got my mail / thoughts? | 12:27 |
| JaneW | still working through my mail (460 new messages when I got in) will respond as soon as I get there | 12:28 |
| JaneW | I was off yesterday | 12:28 |
| pygi | JaneW: joy good luck with all the messages | 12:29 |
| cbx33 | hi JaneW | 12:29 |
| pygi | hi bug tracker | 12:29 |
| === ogra has twice as much if he is one day off | ||
| cbx33 | hi pygi | 12:30 |
| JaneW | ogra: cos you are more popular than me :) | 12:30 |
| ogra | and thanks to the silly SoC ML even 50 more | 12:30 |
| pygi | ogra: hehe | 12:30 |
| cbx33 | JaneW: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuSchoolAdvocacy - I was talking to highvoltage about this getting printed and sent out to schools, he said to put it to you :p | 12:30 |
| cbx33 | there are some printed page mockups to show what it could/would look like below | 12:31 |
| JaneW | cbx33: hi, I'll take a look, but it will be up to sabdfl and silbs (ogra and I can only motivate) | 12:31 |
| cbx33 | yes | 12:32 |
| ogra | we should have a prinatble pdf, so schools can print it themselves | 12:32 |
| ogra | (at least) | 12:32 |
| cbx33 | yes | 12:32 |
| cbx33 | i'm working on it | 12:33 |
| ogra | :) | 12:33 |
| cbx33 | looking at collaborating this with the ubuntu-doc team | 12:33 |
| cbx33 | LaserJock suggested we talk to them | 12:34 |
| cbx33 | I'm gonna start a DoCBook conversion on thursday | 12:34 |
| cbx33 | that's the deadline I've set for inclusion of new material | 12:34 |
| pygi | talk to ya all later | 12:34 |
| cbx33 | bye pygi | 12:34 |
| cbx33 | I'm hpoing then to start the conversions and pdfs | 12:36 |
| zakame | hi all | 12:45 |
| cbx33 | hi zakame | 12:45 |
| zakame | hello cbx33 | 12:46 |
| cbx33 | anyone want to offer me a job...I can't take it here much longer | 12:56 |
| cbx33 | :S :( | 12:56 |
| cbx33 | having a pig awful day, and just want to sit back and work on edubuntu | 12:56 |
| ogra | cbx33, i'd happily give you one if i could, really | 12:56 |
| cbx33 | thankx ogra it's a great boost to hear you say that..... | 12:57 |
| cbx33 | grrrrr.........................................................damn education | 12:57 |
| cbx33 | I'm having issues with my colleague | 12:57 |
| cbx33 | think IU'm going to have to have a chat | 12:57 |
| cbx33 | I'm his boss | 12:57 |
| cbx33 | and i keep getting flak for mistakes i didn;t make | 12:57 |
| cbx33 | </rant> | 12:58 |
| zakame | ogra: ping, I'd like to help on the SoC bounty for willow packaging :) | 12:58 |
| ogra | zakame, thats Amarath's SoC project (he approached me with it) | 12:59 |
| zakame | oh, | 12:59 |
| zakame | he's doing it now? | 12:59 |
| cbx33 | what's willow packaging? | 01:00 |
| ogra | i'm not sure its possible to work in a team on a SoC project | 01:00 |
| cbx33 | link me | 01:00 |
| cbx33 | :p | 01:00 |
| ogra | http://www.digitallumber.com/software/willow/ | 01:00 |
| ogra | zakame, it was his idea to do it | 01:00 |
| cbx33 | looks good | 01:01 |
| zakame | ah, ok then ;D how about the simple-prog-app? what does it need? | 01:01 |
| cbx33 | what about some small educational apps | 01:01 |
| cbx33 | :p | 01:01 |
| cbx33 | smaller than kdeedu hahahahah | 01:01 |
| ogra | zakame, i was refusing to mentor any SoC stuff at all (last time wasnt very fruitful imho), but he convinced me to mentor him if he does the willow stuff | 01:02 |
| ogra | whats the "simple-prog-app" ?? | 01:02 |
| cbx33 | awww aren;t you kind ogra | 01:02 |
| === cbx33 would love ogra as a mentor :p | ||
| ogra | cbx33, i'm not very good in mentoring ... | 01:04 |
| zakame | someone posted it on the edubuntu soc projects in the wiki... I'm not sure how viable it is, since it basically is just a request for a newer, perhaps simpler IDE for python or thereabouts | 01:04 |
| zakame | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/simple-prog-app | 01:04 |
| cbx33 | ogra: you mentor me fine | 01:05 |
| ogra | zakame, heh, sounds like squeak implemented in python :) | 01:05 |
| cbx33 | even if you don;t know you're doing it | 01:05 |
| ogra | cbx33, yes, but thats different | 01:05 |
| zakame | ogra: then again, it reminds me of something... remember LOGO? =) | 01:05 |
| ogra | yep | 01:05 |
| ogra | same ... | 01:06 |
| zakame | with that turtle robot | 01:06 |
| zakame | ? | 01:06 |
| cbx33 | even though you don;t have time etc etc, I'd give a limb to have you as a mentor ogra :p | 01:06 |
| cbx33 | ogra: I'm hoping to sort out AD authentication | 01:06 |
| zakame | cbx33: NetworkAuthentication? | 01:06 |
| cbx33 | yes against Active Directory | 01:06 |
| ogra | yep, thats adressed since quite some time with NetworkAuthentication | 01:06 |
| cbx33 | yes | 01:07 |
| ogra | it just needs someone to work on it (if there isnt already) | 01:07 |
| ogra | i think Mithrandir was about to do it in eft | 01:07 |
| === cbx33 will talk to Mithrandir about it then | ||
| cbx33 | i'll be happy to test etc | 01:08 |
| cbx33 | seems like that's all i'm capable of doing at the mo....testing breaking and a bit of documenting | 01:08 |
| zakame | indeed, I'm interested on tackling that too, but I don't know much about AD and stuff :/ | 01:08 |
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| cbx33 | AD is a pig | 01:08 |
| cbx33 | kerberos makes it a little more difficult | 01:09 |
| zakame | chauvinist? | 01:09 |
| cbx33 | hehehe | 01:09 |
| cbx33 | it's a mircosoft chauvinist pig | 01:10 |
| cbx33 | any now my lunch tastes funny | 01:15 |
| cbx33 | :( | 01:15 |
| cbx33 | ogra: still think it's worth continuing with doccing all the kdeedu apps in the school advocacy docs? | 01:17 |
| ogra | dapper will be supported for at least 3 years, so i think its worth it | 01:17 |
| highvoltage | ogra: but you're my ubuntu mentor :) | 01:19 |
| ogra | highvoltage, as i said, mentoring like we do here is different to SoC mentoring | 01:19 |
| cbx33 | indeed it is | 01:19 |
| === cbx33 would love to do a project on SoC | ||
| cbx33 | but I'd need the support | 01:20 |
| ogra | SoC mentoring requres a bunch of paperwork, and additional time i put into it | 01:20 |
| highvoltage | ah. | 01:21 |
| === cbx33 has some great mentors in here | ||
| bimberi | cbx33: i think having a single page with all the apps described briefly with a screenshot is great | 01:22 |
| cbx33 | thank you highvoltage ogra | 01:22 |
| highvoltage | cbx33: :) | 01:22 |
| cbx33 | bimberi: thank you - we're going to have it as a printable pdf soon | 01:22 |
| bimberi | (infeasable for a pamphlet of course) | 01:22 |
| cbx33 | bimberi: not entirely | 01:23 |
| bimberi | (but not for a booklet :P) | 01:23 |
| cbx33 | I'm just cautious now of promoting edubuntu with kdeedu being a big part of it | 01:23 |
| cbx33 | it kdeedu isn't going to be in the next release | 01:23 |
| cbx33 | bimberi: i see | 01:23 |
| cbx33 | highvoltage: i did some more editingslightly to the docs | 01:30 |
| highvoltage | cbx33: i suggest you go ahead with the kde edu stuff | 01:31 |
| cbx33 | ok | 01:31 |
| highvoltage | cbx33: edgy is still 6 months away, we can just do some updating before then | 01:31 |
| highvoltage | cbx33: kde edu is still a big part of the dapper releaes | 01:32 |
| cbx33 | yup | 01:32 |
| cbx33 | i just feel a bit like false advertising | 01:32 |
| cbx33 | but then | 01:33 |
| cbx33 | i suppose it's like that for all produects | 01:33 |
| highvoltage | nah, it's not false advertising :) | 01:34 |
| cbx33 | cos hehe | 01:34 |
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| cbx33 | heheh | 01:34 |
| cbx33 | my brain is mush today | 01:34 |
| cbx33 | it's EC tomorrow right? | 01:34 |
| highvoltage | yep | 01:35 |
| cbx33 | and new member approval | 01:35 |
| cbx33 | we require presentations for EC right? | 01:36 |
| bimberi | the process on the CC is that you have your wikipage set up and prepare a 3 liner to paste into the IRC channel - not sure what the EC members want though :) | 01:37 |
| bimberi | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewMemberHowto | 01:37 |
| bimberi | actually i guess it would be ECC - Edubuntu Community Council | 01:38 |
| ogra | lets just call it edubuntu council :) | 01:40 |
| cbx33 | EC :D | 01:40 |
| ogra | yeo | 01:40 |
| bimberi | yes sir :) | 01:40 |
| ogra | err | 01:40 |
| ogra | yep | 01:40 |
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| cbx33 | so ogra I need to prepare a presentation? | 01:44 |
| ogra | cbx33, a short introduction about yourself (three lines) | 01:45 |
| ogra | and make sure your wikipage will list all your contributions | 01:45 |
| cbx33 | i think it does | 01:46 |
| ogra | additionally your targets with your ubuntu/edubuntu work and what you like to see us going towards in the future ... | 01:46 |
| cbx33 | in 3 lines | 01:46 |
| ogra | and how ou think you can help with your work to achieve that | 01:46 |
| ogra | the three lines are just an introduction about yourself | 01:47 |
| cbx33 | I'll repeat in 3 lines | 01:47 |
| cbx33 | are ok | 01:47 |
| cbx33 | got an example? | 01:47 |
| ogra | the rest will be asked in the interview following | 01:47 |
| ogra | grab a log from a CC meeting | 01:47 |
| cbx33 | ok | 01:47 |
| cbx33 | nice idea | 01:47 |
| ogra | our process wont differ much | 01:47 |
| cbx33 | ok | 01:47 |
| bimberi | cbx33: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | 01:48 |
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| bimberi | cbx33: don't - i was crap :P | 01:50 |
| bimberi | ... and probably only got in because the council wanted to get the meeting finished :) | 01:50 |
| bimberi | ... and mako (the hard man) wasn't there | 01:51 |
| === bimberi wonders who will play the mako role in the EC | ||
| === cbx33 thinks ogra :p | ||
| cbx33 | hehehe | 01:51 |
| cbx33 | he's a hard man :p | 01:51 |
| ogra | bimberi, you mean being absent all the time ? | 01:51 |
| bimberi | lol | 01:52 |
| bimberi | no - it seems whenever someone gets knocked back it's mako who does the letting down | 01:52 |
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| Draigh | ogra, you there? | 02:15 |
| ogra | yep | 02:15 |
| Draigh | good.. I installed Ubuntu and have been checking the (horrid) educational software... | 02:16 |
| ogra | whats horrid about it ? | 02:16 |
| Draigh | Ready to make a complete design for it. But what language has the most preference? Hiddenwolf talked about Python? | 02:16 |
| Draigh | These are not games, well most of them aren't. And they are boring. I have done some research for a schoolproject in this area. | 02:17 |
| Draigh | Children will not be enjoying themselves with this.. They may use it, when they need to.. But thats totally it. | 02:18 |
| Draigh | It will not teach children voluntairily. Only when an adult is standing there to urge them. | 02:18 |
| ogra | yeah, python is the easiest if we want to include it in the default install | 02:21 |
| Draigh | good, then i'll learn python | 02:22 |
| ogra | i guess you have looked at gcompris and childsplay | 02:22 |
| Draigh | I looked at these: http://edu.kde.org/ | 02:22 |
| ogra | might be theyx are boring :) but they are famous among educators | 02:23 |
| Draigh | maybe true.. But if these are the only ones, then there isnt much choice.. is there.. 8) | 02:26 |
| ogra | exactly | 02:26 |
| ogra | we'd like to have replacements for them .... | 02:26 |
| Draigh | so.. on what game shall I work on then? | 02:26 |
| Draigh | which topic? | 02:26 |
| Draigh | :) | 02:26 |
| cbx33 | Draigh: where do we begin | 02:31 |
| cbx33 | :p | 02:31 |
| cbx33 | Draigh: I want t olearn puython too | 02:31 |
| cbx33 | so i can contribute in that way | 02:31 |
| |Terje| | Hi, if you are interested in a DaisyPlayer for Linux, come visit our website: http://developer.skolelinux.no/info/studentgrupper/2006-hig-daisyplayer/ | 02:32 |
| Draigh | I can learn computerlanguages easily, when I need to :) | 02:33 |
| cbx33 | me too | 02:33 |
| cbx33 | I've programmed in over 15 of various levels | 02:33 |
| Draigh | cbx33, you are going to be a mentor or something? | 02:40 |
| Draigh | (sorry, got a phonecall over here) | 02:40 |
| cbx33 | no no no | 02:40 |
| cbx33 | I do php mainly | 02:40 |
| cbx33 | wich isn;t of much use to a project like edubuntu | 02:40 |
| Draigh | not really no :) | 02:40 |
| cbx33 | we could learn python together | 02:41 |
| cbx33 | ogra: could be our mentor :p | 02:41 |
| cbx33 | hahahahah | 02:41 |
| Draigh | :) | 02:41 |
| === cbx33 waits for the reply from ogra | ||
| cbx33 | :p | 02:41 |
| Draigh | I mostly want to know how I can join the Summer of Code project with this edu-game proposition | 02:42 |
| cbx33 | ah isee | 02:42 |
| ogra | you'll need a mentor for it | 02:42 |
| cbx33 | hehehe | 02:43 |
| ogra | and it must be listed as SoC project indeed | 02:44 |
| Draigh | how to do those two things? | 02:45 |
| cbx33 | heheh | 02:45 |
| cbx33 | how much experience is needed for the SoC project | 02:45 |
| cbx33 | i mean if you were looking to do a python project | 02:45 |
| cbx33 | is the purpose of it to teach someone how to do it with a mentor | 02:45 |
| === zakame wants to learn python | ||
| cbx33 | or just to have the mentor help out when there's an issue | 02:45 |
| ogra | the mentor has to do weekly reviews of your work, teach you the missing bits you need (i.e. packaging etc) | 02:47 |
| ogra | has to write weekly reports to google ... | 02:48 |
| Draigh | And where can I find a mentor? | 02:48 |
| ogra | its an awful lot of work | 02:48 |
| cbx33 | hehe | 02:49 |
| ogra | Draigh, JaneW is our SoC mistress | 02:49 |
| === cbx33 will talk to SoC | ||
| JaneW | *salute* | 02:49 |
| cbx33 | hi JaneW | 02:49 |
| Draigh | So I need to harass her about it? :P | 02:49 |
| === JaneW arrives (with whip - just in case) | ||
| ogra | :) | 02:49 |
| JaneW | what can I do for you? | 02:50 |
| zakame | w00t | 02:50 |
| cbx33 | i think JaneW misunderstood the word mistress | 02:50 |
| JaneW | (and if you mailed me I am working through my mail flood) | 02:50 |
| ogra | cbx33, not at all :) | 02:50 |
| JaneW | cbx33: not at all ;) | 02:50 |
| JaneW | snap | 02:50 |
| Draigh | I want to join the SoC with an edutainment program for edubuntu | 02:50 |
| ogra | lol | 02:50 |
| cbx33 | that's scary | 02:50 |
| cbx33 | IRC jinx | 02:50 |
| === Draigh looks slightly pale at whip | ||
| JaneW | well ogra and I are merging into a single auto-bot | 02:51 |
| JaneW | or mega-bot | 02:51 |
| ogra | hehe | 02:51 |
| JaneW | Draigh: join? as a mentor or student? | 02:51 |
| Draigh | student | 02:51 |
| JaneW | speaking of which where is edubuntugirl? | 02:51 |
| ogra | highvoltage took her home | 02:52 |
| JaneW | Draigh: oic, and you want to propose your own project too? | 02:52 |
| === cbx33 wants the mega-bot to be his mentor | ||
| JaneW | ogra: that's scarey! | 02:52 |
| ogra | :) | 02:52 |
| Draigh | I want to go into the games development after my studies. This project would fill my school-portfolio | 02:52 |
| JaneW | Draigh: you would need to list your idea here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GoogleSoC2006 | 02:53 |
| JaneW | and then preferable create a full spec in the wiki too and create a launchpad listing too (I can help you with that part if you need it) | 02:53 |
| JaneW | then you'd need to apply for that project through the Google SoC application process | 02:53 |
| Draigh | please yes, do I need to sign up somewhere? | 02:53 |
| JaneW | Draigh: here's an example: LP registration https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/samba-config-gui , wiki page spec: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GUISambaConfigSpec | 02:54 |
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| JaneW | and it;s listed on the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GoogleSoC2006 page as 6.9 | 02:55 |
| jsgotangco | hi guys | 02:55 |
| jsgotangco | ogra: let's merge :) | 02:55 |
| cbx33 | oh ogra did my man pages go in yet? | 02:55 |
| JaneW | Draigh: I can't see the student sign-up page (as a mentor and admin) but I imagine it's listed off http://code.google.com/soc/ and be sure to read the student FAQ | 02:56 |
| JaneW | jsgotangco: sounds like you are propositioning ogra! | 02:56 |
| jsgotangco | lol | 02:56 |
| Draigh | I have signed up as a student already, that isnt the problem :P | 02:56 |
| jsgotangco | JaneW: i'm done with the Yelp page and firefox startpage so :P | 02:57 |
| JaneW | Draigh: so you'll need to create the project and then apply for it | 02:57 |
| JaneW | jsgotangco: YAY | 02:57 |
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| jsgotangco | err | 02:57 |
| cbx33 | two ogras | 02:58 |
| cbx33 | w00t | 02:58 |
| jsgotangco | JaneW: i got your email btw, thanks | 02:58 |
| cbx33 | dang it ogra | 02:58 |
| jsgotangco | so yeah, we could upload now | 02:58 |
| ogra | jsgotangco, i still havent the url to checkout here | 02:59 |
| jsgotangco | errr | 02:59 |
| jsgotangco | hold on | 02:59 |
| JaneW | jsgotangco: good luck! | 02:59 |
| jsgotangco | ogra: https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk/edubuntu/ | 03:00 |
| Draigh | right.. | 03:00 |
| jsgotangco | igore the EdubuntuRelaseNotes folder | 03:00 |
| cbx33 | oooooooooooooh the docs | 03:00 |
| === Draigh feels a bit lost | ||
| jsgotangco | ogra: svn | 03:00 |
| cbx33 | jsgotangco: what's the repo for? | 03:00 |
| cbx33 | is that the main edubuntu doc repo? | 03:00 |
| jsgotangco | cbx33: that's the documentation team repository i've only included edubuntu so that he won't checkout the whole repo | 03:01 |
| ogra | jsgotangco, thanks | 03:01 |
| jsgotangco | (its around 200MB) | 03:01 |
| cbx33 | I knopw | 03:01 |
| cbx33 | i checked it out yesterday | 03:01 |
| cbx33 | I'm hoping to put the schooladvocacy docs in there soon | 03:01 |
| jsgotangco | if you send it to me, i'll upload it | 03:02 |
| jsgotangco | but you'll have to do patches after | 03:02 |
| cbx33 | i will when it's ready | 03:02 |
| cbx33 | :p | 03:02 |
| jsgotangco | ogra: we could probably make a big shiny link on the firefox page at the upper right for the schooltool URL | 03:03 |
| cbx33 | heh | 03:03 |
| cbx33 | what are you doccing? | 03:03 |
| cbx33 | I'm trying to get into the doc team so i can upload and maintain the docs | 03:04 |
| Draigh | so.. where do I need to go to to write the SoC proposal? | 03:04 |
| jsgotangco | ive been docc'ing since warty :) | 03:04 |
| cbx33 | woh | 03:04 |
| cbx33 | excellent | 03:04 |
| jsgotangco | i manage the LP team | 03:04 |
| cbx33 | ogra: I've been thinking, i think we need an LTSP guide | 03:04 |
| cbx33 | is there one already | 03:04 |
| cbx33 | jsgotangco: what's needed to become a member | 03:04 |
| ogra | there are only three commands you can use for ltsp ... | 03:04 |
| jsgotangco | cbx33: patches, lots of patches | 03:05 |
| ogra | and some peripherial docs | 03:05 |
| jsgotangco | cbx33: but we could improve edubuntu docs itself | 03:05 |
| jsgotangco | we have our own scheds | 03:05 |
| ogra | ++ | 03:05 |
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| cbx33 | I'm hoping to write a lot more edubuntu docs | 03:05 |
| jsgotangco | we're not under the freeze dates of ubuntu | 03:05 |
| cbx33 | the final aim to write anedubuntu book | 03:05 |
| cbx33 | aimed at school administrators | 03:05 |
| jsgotangco | but we should aim for translations in the future | 03:05 |
| jsgotangco | ogra: how difficult would be to have translations of the firefox page at least? | 03:06 |
| jsgotangco | its just afew strings | 03:06 |
| cbx33 | jsgotangco: so easiest way for me to get the docs into the repo now is to pass them over to you? | 03:06 |
| jsgotangco | cbx33: yeah | 03:06 |
| cbx33 | ogra: I know that... iwas meaning ways in which it can be used | 03:06 |
| jsgotangco | cbx33: but should be docbook xml for maximum compat | 03:06 |
| cbx33 | installation of software, DHCP, one nic/two nic setups | 03:06 |
| cbx33 | jsgotangco: I'm working on it | 03:06 |
| ogra | jsgotangco, no idea, i'm not involved with translations at all | 03:07 |
| cbx33 | I have decalred feature freeze on the doc on thursday | 03:07 |
| cbx33 | so hopefully I'll be starting to convert it then | 03:07 |
| ogra | i have a german translation of highvoltage's gettingstarted guide | 03:07 |
| jsgotangco | ogra: i will ask Diziet about the firefox thing for locales | 03:07 |
| cbx33 | jsgotangco: do you use any gui tools for it? | 03:07 |
| ogra | there is a wikipage about it | 03:07 |
| cbx33 | for writing docbook | 03:07 |
| jsgotangco | cbx33: there's conglomerate, but not really ready for primetime use | 03:08 |
| jsgotangco | cbx33: emacs :P | 03:08 |
| jsgotangco | or plain bluefish would also do | 03:08 |
| Petaris | ogra: How should dhcp be setup in a two nic ltsp server? | 03:08 |
| cbx33 | nano here :p | 03:08 |
| jsgotangco | cbx33: sure, it doesn't really matter, the toolchain is all console | 03:09 |
| cbx33 | yes | 03:09 |
| cbx33 | are there docs on that | 03:09 |
| jsgotangco | we'll probably have a browser-based docbook editor by edgy | 03:09 |
| cbx33 | are pdfs created automatically | 03:10 |
| cbx33 | brb | 03:10 |
| ogra | Petaris, that really depends on your setup | 03:10 |
| jsgotangco | no they're done with a script | 03:10 |
| jsgotangco | it requires apache fop | 03:10 |
| jsgotangco | there's really a need for a free pdf toolchain | 03:10 |
| === jsgotangco winks at JaneW | ||
| Petaris | ogra: eth1 goes to my normal network, eth0 goes to the gbit switches the clients are on | 03:11 |
| JaneW | jsgotangco: what happened to that guy who was doing it? | 03:11 |
| jsgotangco | JaneW: lost in oblivion | 03:11 |
| JaneW | :( | 03:11 |
| JaneW | typical | 03:11 |
| jsgotangco | yeah | 03:11 |
| ogra | Petaris, does your normal network already have a dhcp server ? | 03:11 |
| jsgotangco | JaneW: i would have loved to pursue it though, if i had enough time | 03:12 |
| JaneW | nod | 03:12 |
| Petaris | ogra: yes, but the clients can't see it can they? | 03:12 |
| ogra | nope | 03:12 |
| ogra | and they shouldnt | 03:12 |
| Petaris | right | 03:12 |
| ogra | so you set up eth1 to use dhcp and give a static ip to eth0 | 03:12 |
| ogra | then make sure the static ip is within the range you define in your /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf | 03:13 |
| ogra | the dhcp server will automatically attach to the interface where it sees thet config matches and leave the other iface alone | 03:14 |
| Petaris | ok | 03:15 |
| Petaris | are the defaults in that file ok? | 03:15 |
| highvoltage | ogra: where do you have it? | 03:15 |
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| highvoltage | ogra: (the .de GS guide) | 03:15 |
| ogra | Petaris, yep, just use a static ip that matches the range in there | 03:16 |
| Petaris | ogra: it shouldn't be in that range just in that specifid subnet right? | 03:17 |
| ogra | 192.168.0.1 would be a good choice for the ip | 03:18 |
| Petaris | right | 03:18 |
| Petaris | Which services have to be enabled? dhcpd obviously | 03:22 |
| ogra | highvoltage, http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Edubuntu | 03:23 |
| Draigh | JaneW: where to go, for adding the project? | 03:23 |
| Petaris | oh cool | 03:24 |
| Petaris | apparently only dhcp | 03:24 |
| ogra | yep | 03:24 |
| ogra | the rest should stay with the defaults as is | 03:25 |
| JaneW | Draigh: I gave you the links above (at hh:52) | 03:25 |
| Petaris | sweet, a button that shuts down the clients | 03:26 |
| Petaris | ogra: anyway to shutdown all of the clients at the same time? | 03:26 |
| ogra | Petaris, please tell me if it works, i havent got much feedback about the shutdown yet | 03:26 |
| ogra | not yet | 03:27 |
| Petaris | That would be great | 03:27 |
| Petaris | ogra: just did | 03:27 |
| ogra | that will be part of the student control panel at some point | 03:27 |
| Draigh | JaneW: I can edit the wiki to add it there. But I dont know anything about the other two you mentioned. I have seen the examples though.. | 03:27 |
| Petaris | it worked great on these clients | 03:27 |
| ogra | cool ! | 03:27 |
| ogra | thanks :) | 03:27 |
| Petaris | np :) | 03:27 |
| jsgotangco | lol i got a huge 52MB kde-based update | 03:27 |
| JaneW | Draigh: yes edit that wiki page | 03:27 |
| cbx33 | what's this about shutting down clients? | 03:27 |
| === jsgotangco looks at kdeedu | ||
| ogra | cbx33, breezy had no shutdown button in ldm, dapper has one, but i havent heard much if it works or not for everyone ... | 03:28 |
| cbx33 | hmmm | 03:28 |
| Petaris | ogra: after rebooting though it came up to a shell login | 03:28 |
| cbx33 | oh yes | 03:28 |
| cbx33 | it worked fine for me | 03:28 |
| Petaris | rebooting again fixes | 03:28 |
| cbx33 | ogra: you are working on a graohical LTSP GUI yes? | 03:28 |
| ogra | Petaris, alt+f7 should as well | 03:29 |
| JaneW | Draigh: here's more info on creating a spec https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SpecLifeCycle | 03:29 |
| Petaris | oh? | 03:29 |
| ogra | cbx33, http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/LTSPManager/ | 03:29 |
| Petaris | then its just popping to the wrong terminal | 03:29 |
| ogra | yep | 03:29 |
| cbx33 | how complete is it? | 03:30 |
| JaneW | Draigh: and use the spec template https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SpecTemplate | 03:30 |
| ogra | i'm currently away from my lab and wont get there this week, so i cant check whats going wrong (no clients around) | 03:30 |
| cbx33 | are they mock screens? | 03:30 |
| Draigh | JaneW : thanks | 03:30 |
| ogra | cbx33, nope | 03:30 |
| Petaris | grr | 03:30 |
| cbx33 | so you have a working program | 03:30 |
| Petaris | I was wrong, rebooting didn't fix it | 03:30 |
| Petaris | that could be an issue | 03:30 |
| ogra | cbx33, but only half of the functions work yet | 03:30 |
| Petaris | but alt+F7 did | 03:30 |
| ogra | Petaris, it is | 03:30 |
| cbx33 | ogra: need any help? | 03:30 |
| ogra | cbx33, yep, but i dont have time even to thnk about it before eft is open for development | 03:31 |
| ogra | too much other stuff to do for dapper now | 03:31 |
| cbx33 | of course | 03:31 |
| cbx33 | please let me know when you are "thinking" | 03:31 |
| Petaris | hrm | 03:31 |
| ogra | but feel free to check out the bzr archive ;) | 03:31 |
| cbx33 | any if you have any code I could take a ganders at | 03:32 |
| cbx33 | :p | 03:32 |
| cbx33 | will do | 03:32 |
| Petaris | I can't login on the client | 03:32 |
| ogra | Petaris, do you have sabayon installed ? | 03:32 |
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| Petaris | ogra: What is sabayon? | 03:32 |
| ogra | Petaris, ok, then i suppose you dont | 03:32 |
| ogra | ah, one moment | 03:32 |
| ogra | you changed the ip :) | 03:32 |
| Petaris | its a fresh install of edubuntu dapper | 03:33 |
| cbx33 | did you update the ssh keys | 03:33 |
| ogra | run: sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys | 03:33 |
| ogra | so the system knows about the new ip | 03:33 |
| cbx33 | ogra: did my man pages make the update yet? | 03:33 |
| ogra | not yet | 03:33 |
| cbx33 | heheh | 03:33 |
| ogra | i have a bigger update pending where not all stuff is complete yet | 03:33 |
| ogra | that will have the manpages as well | 03:33 |
| cbx33 | excellent | 03:34 |
| Petaris | that worked | 03:34 |
| cbx33 | :D | 03:34 |
| ogra | :) | 03:34 |
| Petaris | anyway to change the clients over to xfce4 by default? | 03:34 |
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| Petaris | Also is it recommended to install the updates from the update notification? | 03:35 |
| cbx33 | Petaris: depends if you believe in God :p | 03:37 |
| cbx33 | just kidding | 03:37 |
| Petaris | haha | 03:37 |
| Yagisan | ogra: shutdown button doesn't work for me. I still need to press the power-off button (but this time I don't need to hold it in for 5 seconds, so that's an improvement) | 03:38 |
| cbx33 | hehe | 03:38 |
| Petaris | Yagisan: Thats what we had to do here before, and the shutdown button will be very welcome | 03:38 |
| Petaris | cbx33: How likly is it that I will foobar the system if I let it install those updates? | 03:39 |
| Yagisan | Petaris: well, I am on dapper, and I see a nice shutdown button. It doesn't actually work like that though. It halts the system, but does not power off | 03:39 |
| === Draigh sighs | ||
| Petaris | Yagisan: halts the systems for my clients | 03:40 |
| Petaris | which is way cool | 03:40 |
| Yagisan | Petaris: in general installing updates is a good idea | 03:41 |
| Petaris | Is there any info on how to switch the clients to xfce? | 03:41 |
| Petaris | Yagisan: I only ask because I have had times in the past where doing so led to issues | 03:41 |
| Petaris | :) | 03:42 |
| cbx33 | ogra: just collecting the bzr branch | 03:42 |
| cbx33 | Petaris: I'm not sure, my suystem worked fine | 03:42 |
| Petaris | ok | 03:43 |
| Petaris | I would still like to know how to switch the clients to xfce by default | 03:44 |
| ogra | Petaris, just install xubuntu-desktop ? | 03:44 |
| Petaris | i did | 03:44 |
| ogra | ldm just executes /etx/X11/XSession | 03:44 |
| Petaris | ok | 03:45 |
| ogra | whatever that finds as default will be run | 03:45 |
| Petaris | will check that file | 03:45 |
| ogra | so probably an dpkg-reconfigure x-session-manager might help ;) | 03:45 |
| Yagisan | Petaris: hence, my in general. are you on dapper ? | 03:45 |
| Draigh | JaneW: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GoogleSoC2006 4.3 Edutainment; your opinion? | 03:45 |
| Petaris | Yagisan: yeah | 03:46 |
| JaneW | Draigh: checking... | 03:46 |
| cbx33 | ogra: would i install ltsp server or standalone? | 03:47 |
| Draigh | not good with words, even though I have several ideas in my head... :S | 03:47 |
| Yagisan | Petaris: I'd update every few days, to give them time to fix any possible breaks | 03:47 |
| ogra | cbx33, depends if you want a dhcp server or not | 03:48 |
| Petaris | Yagisan: ok, just the updates or should I do dist-upgrades? | 03:48 |
| cbx33 | ah... | 03:48 |
| cbx33 | not | 03:48 |
| cbx33 | just the server package i take it | 03:48 |
| Petaris | ogra: there is not dpkg-reconfigure x-session-manager | 03:48 |
| ogra | ogra@edubuntu:/mnt/devel/packages/gnome-screensaver-2.14.1$ ls /etc/alternatives/x-session-manager | 03:50 |
| ogra | /etc/alternatives/x-session-manager | 03:50 |
| ogra | for me it is | 03:50 |
| Yagisan | Petaris: if you are already on dapper, just upgrade. dist-upgrade is when you go breezy -> dapper, or dapper -> edgy | 03:50 |
| cbx33 | ooooh ogra I like LLTSP Manager | 03:50 |
| ogra | Petaris, err | 03:51 |
| ogra | s/update-alternatives/dpkg-reconfigure/ | 03:51 |
| ogra | indeed, sorry | 03:51 |
| ogra | i'm a bit dizzy since i try to get stuff done in parallel here | 03:52 |
| Petaris | heh, I know how that can be | 03:52 |
| cbx33 | ogra: aren't you like 50 processors all rolled into one | 03:52 |
| Petaris | I'm trying to rebuild this ltsp and build an email server, among other daily things | 03:53 |
| JaneW | Draigh: you gonna make Gnome stuff? | 03:53 |
| cbx33 | ogra: what did you use to build your glade screens? | 03:53 |
| Petaris | I should be able to switch the defualt from gnome to xfce in a file | 03:54 |
| Petaris | but I can't remember which file its in | 03:54 |
| JaneW | Draigh: sounds great, if you can do it! :) | 03:54 |
| Draigh | JaneW: I make what works best. If that is Gnome, then I'll do Gnome :) | 03:54 |
| ogra | Petaris, update-alternatives will do it for you | 03:54 |
| ogra | cbx33, glade | 03:54 |
| Draigh | Gnome is the one normally used, right? | 03:54 |
| JaneW | yes | 03:55 |
| JaneW | Draigh: ogra will love you for it | 03:55 |
| Draigh | I know ^-^ | 03:55 |
| Draigh | anyway.. now where to? | 03:55 |
| Petaris | ogra: update-alternatives --all? | 03:55 |
| ogra | --config | 03:56 |
| Petaris | --config what? --config xfce4? | 03:57 |
| ogra | sigh | 03:57 |
| ogra | update-alternatives --config x-session-manager | 03:57 |
| Petaris | ahh | 03:57 |
| Petaris | ok | 03:58 |
| ogra | it should list xfce | 03:58 |
| Petaris | yep | 03:58 |
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| Petaris | whoops | 04:00 |
| cbx33 | hmm | 04:01 |
| Petaris | cool, it worked | 04:04 |
| Draigh | JaneW: I am now at the specs-page (https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+specs); what do you want to see there? Just a general description? more? | 04:05 |
| cbx33 | JaneW: did you get a chance to look at our schooladvocacy docs? | 04:09 |
| JaneW | cbx33: yes, looks great | 04:09 |
| JaneW | cbx33: can you let me know when it's finished? | 04:09 |
| cbx33 | sure | 04:09 |
| cbx33 | should have final draft by thursday | 04:11 |
| cbx33 | /final/first | 04:12 |
| Draigh | JaneW: what do you need from me at this point | 04:16 |
| JaneW | Draigh: did you read? | 04:24 |
| JaneW | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SpecLifeCycle | 04:24 |
| Draigh | so I need to make a braindump there, with as much info as possible? | 04:26 |
| jsgotangco | yeah | 04:28 |
| jsgotangco | don't think, just dump | 04:28 |
| zakame | yes, take a seat | 04:29 |
| jsgotangco | ogra: the firefox thing looks scary | 04:30 |
| HiddenWolf | zakame: jsgotangco, ew! | 04:30 |
| jsgotangco | hey | 04:30 |
| ogra | jsgotangco, thw localization page ? | 04:30 |
| jsgotangco | yeah | 04:30 |
| ogra | *the | 04:30 |
| ogra | yep | 04:31 |
| jsgotangco | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperFirefoxStartPageTranslation | 04:31 |
| zakame | HiddenWolf: huh? | 04:31 |
| jsgotangco | should we pursue localization of the start page? | 04:31 |
| HiddenWolf | zakame: dump, take a seat. :P | 04:32 |
| HiddenWolf | zakame: that's just wrong. ;) | 04:32 |
| zakame | HiddenWolf: nah, its `take a seat, then dump' that is :P | 04:33 |
| HiddenWolf | ;) | 04:33 |
| zakame | for all you know I could be just dumping food off the table and taking a seat to eat it ;) | 04:33 |
| zakame | anyhow gtg | 04:33 |
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| JaneW | Draigh: have you created your spec from the template yet? or do you need hep with that? | 04:35 |
| jsgotangco | ogra: just ping me if there are any more changes you want to integrate | 04:37 |
| jsgotangco | i'd like to try localisation | 04:37 |
| ogra | oki | 04:38 |
| Draigh | JaneW : working on the description. Checking wether I missed anything or not. | 04:38 |
| JaneW | Draigh: ok cool, the spec can be edited so don't worry to much on first draft | 04:39 |
| JaneW | Draigh: do you know how to create the launchpad portion? | 04:39 |
| Draigh | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/edutainment | 04:39 |
| jsgotangco | im pretty scared of the rebuild part though | 04:40 |
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| cbx33 | jsgotangco: you tried <oxygen> | 04:41 |
| jsgotangco | yes | 04:41 |
| jsgotangco | i have a copy of oxygen | 04:41 |
| cbx33 | is it up to much? | 04:41 |
| JaneW | woah, ok that should just have a SHORT summary, 1 or 2 lines to give someone an idea what it;s aboutm the detail must go in the spec in the wiki | 04:41 |
| JaneW | Draigh: ^^^ | 04:42 |
| jsgotangco | cbx33: they have a student edition i believe | 04:42 |
| jsgotangco | cbx33: but I only use it for commercial projects | 04:42 |
| cbx33 | are we talking about http://www.oxygenxml.com/ | 04:42 |
| jsgotangco | cbx33: my work in ubuntu involves mostly on bluefish and the gnome-doc utils | 04:43 |
| jsgotangco | cbx33: yes, the one running on java | 04:43 |
| Draigh | JaneW : where should I have posted those then? :/ | 04:43 |
| cbx33 | would it be of any use for docbook? | 04:43 |
| JaneW | Draigh: gimme a sec... | 04:43 |
| jsgotangco | cbx33: yes it has native docbook support | 04:43 |
| cbx33 | oooooh | 04:43 |
| jsgotangco | cbx33: you can try it for 30 days | 04:44 |
| cbx33 | ahhhh right i see | 04:44 |
| cbx33 | that sux then | 04:44 |
| jsgotangco | cbx33: it already has its own toolchain for pdf and html output | 04:44 |
| jsgotangco | cbx33: but it defeats my dream of a free pdf toolchain :) | 04:44 |
| cbx33 | indeed | 04:44 |
| cbx33 | it's a shame there isn't something in the middle | 04:44 |
| cbx33 | do you use Bluefish for doccing then? | 04:45 |
| jsgotangco | yes it has some simple docbook tags support | 04:45 |
| cbx33 | built in? | 04:45 |
| jsgotangco | yes | 04:45 |
| JaneW | Draigh: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/edutainment | 04:45 |
| jsgotangco | there's also screem and conglomerate | 04:45 |
| JaneW | Draigh: click on Read More | 04:46 |
| cbx33 | jsgotangco: in your opinion are either of them any good | 04:46 |
| JaneW | Draigh: that will take you to the wiki page, do all your brain dumping there :) | 04:46 |
| jsgotangco | cbx33: i once did a project for the United Nations that involved moving manuscripts to docbook but only using a free toolchain, I did it with gnome-doc-utils and bluefish | 04:46 |
| JaneW | Draigh: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuEdutainment | 04:46 |
| cbx33 | ok | 04:47 |
| jsgotangco | cbx33: i could have done it faster with oxygen but then, is an IOSN sponsored project | 04:47 |
| Draigh | JaneW : thanks | 04:47 |
| cbx33 | indeed jsgotangco | 04:47 |
| cbx33 | are all the toolchain scripts in the svn repo? | 04:48 |
| jsgotangco | the validation and make scripts are in the repo | 04:48 |
| jsgotangco | but you'll have to download docbook, docbook-xsl and make | 04:48 |
| cbx33 | yes i have thost | 04:48 |
| jsgotangco | that should get you started | 04:49 |
| Draigh | JaneW: and after I dumped a lot of info in there? What should I then do? | 04:49 |
| JaneW | Draigh: ask ogra to review if it is feasible as a project, if he is happy then apply via http://code.google.com/soc/ and good luck! | 04:52 |
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| jsgotangco | JaneW: bye | 04:52 |
| JaneW | jsgotangco: wave | 04:52 |
| ogra | JaneW, i'm happy with it but i wont mentor it | 04:52 |
| JaneW | may pop back later | 04:52 |
| JaneW | ogra: ok we'll find someone, as long as the spec is sound | 04:53 |
| Draigh | Thanks JaneW | 04:53 |
| JaneW | off to yoga :)) | 04:53 |
| ogra | have fune | 04:54 |
| ogra | fun even | 04:54 |
| ogra | and make sure to resolve all the nodes in your exremities afterwards :) | 04:54 |
| ogra | s/nodes/knots/ ? | 04:54 |
| cbx33 | see ya later all | 04:57 |
| cbx33 | thanks jsgotangco and ogra for all your help | 04:57 |
| Draigh | well.. I am going to get some food over here | 04:57 |
| Draigh | see you later, and thanks for the help. Will go work a bit more on those specs later tonight | 04:58 |
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| Petaris | When I open openoffice writer it does not load a blank page | 05:33 |
| Petaris | it doesn't load any page | 05:33 |
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| Petaris | Hello highvoltage | 05:47 |
| highvoltage | hi Petaris! | 05:48 |
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| Petaris | My server is coming along pretty nice | 05:49 |
| Petaris | I noticed that when I open openoffice writer that no default document is opened | 05:50 |
| highvoltage | what do you mean? | 05:52 |
| Petaris | the defualt blank page template does not automatically open when you start writer | 05:53 |
| Petaris | so you open it then have to hit the new document button | 05:54 |
| highvoltage | hmmm... that's strange. | 05:56 |
| highvoltage | Petaris: this is dapper beta? | 05:56 |
| Petaris | yep | 05:58 |
| Petaris | hrm | 05:59 |
| Petaris | what do the clients use for config if they don't use lts.conf by default? | 05:59 |
| ogra | autodetected values | 06:00 |
| Petaris | Is there another way to turn sound on I wonder | 06:00 |
| Petaris | ahh | 06:00 |
| ogra | similar to the liveCd bootprocess | 06:00 |
| ogra | nope, you need to set it in lts.conf | 06:00 |
| Petaris | ok, so its using discovery or something similar | 06:00 |
| ogra | nah | 06:00 |
| ogra | have a look at the initscript (ltsp-client-setup) in the chroot | 06:01 |
| Petaris | then just move lts.conf to /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ ? | 06:01 |
| highvoltage | ogra: is there an open office bug that writer doesn't start with a writer document when you start writer? | 06:01 |
| ogra | highvoltage, did it ever do that ? | 06:01 |
| ogra | i dont even have ooo installed here | 06:01 |
| Petaris | ogra: it should | 06:01 |
| jsgotangco | i didnt even understand the question heh | 06:01 |
| ogra | Petaris, thats something else :) | 06:01 |
| ogra | did it do it in breezy ? | 06:01 |
| ogra | i.e. do we have an regression here :) | 06:02 |
| highvoltage | ogra: Petaris's OOo does that, it seems | 06:02 |
| ogra | highvoltage, i'm not intrested in what it does now, i just want to know if we have a difference to breezy | 06:02 |
| ogra | else its only a whishlist item :) | 06:03 |
| highvoltage | ogra: yes, it's different to breezy. when you click on writer in OOo, it opens Writer, and when you click on Calc, it opens calc. | 06:03 |
| ogra | with or without an empty document ? | 06:05 |
| ogra | (since that was the question) | 06:05 |
| Bluekuja | hi guys | 06:06 |
| jsgotangco | hi | 06:07 |
| Bluekuja | i was taking a look to my lp page and i noticed that someone used my account today | 06:07 |
| Bluekuja | i just arrived home and i see translation suggestion at 2 of may | 06:08 |
| Bluekuja | thats impossible | 06:08 |
| highvoltage | ogra: without an empty document, as far as i understand from Petaris | 06:08 |
| ogra | sigh | 06:08 |
| ogra | is there a difference in this behavior top breezy ? | 06:09 |
| ogra | s/top/to/ | 06:09 |
| ogra | thats the only info i'm intrested in | 06:09 |
| ogra | everything else is no bug but an enhancement request | 06:09 |
| Petaris | ogra: I never ran breezy, but if you install openoffice manually or the debian packages it opens a blank document | 06:10 |
| highvoltage | ogra: yes, it's different to breezy | 06:10 |
| ogra | ah, thatnks | 06:11 |
| highvoltage | ogra: which question aren't i answering? i thought i did answer it at 18:03 < highvoltage> ogra: yes, it's different to breezy | 06:11 |
| jsgotangco | good night | 06:11 |
| highvoltage | night jsgotangco | 06:11 |
| ogra | highvoltage, you answered | 06:11 |
| ogra | <highvoltage> ogra: yes, it's different to breezy. when you click on writer in OOo, it opens Writer, and when you click on Calc, it opens calc. | 06:12 |
| ogra | which was a bit confusing ... sure clicking writer will open writer | 06:12 |
| highvoltage | i can see how that could have been confusing. sorry :) | 06:13 |
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| ogra | Petaris, please file a bug against openoffice then ... according to the maintainer (doko) its supposed to open an empty doc | 06:17 |
| sbartleylinux | Is there a documented way to configure an Ubuntu LTSP Server with DHCP being served from a different server on the network? | 06:17 |
| Petaris | ogra: Where do I file that bug at? | 06:18 |
| ogra | openoffice sourcepackage | 06:19 |
| Petaris | right, but where is the bugtracker at? | 06:19 |
| Petaris | :) | 06:19 |
| ogra | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+filebug | 06:20 |
| Petaris | alright | 06:20 |
| Petaris | will do | 06:20 |
| Petaris | ogra: is there a place I specify this happens in dapper? | 06:25 |
| ogra | just put it in the description | 06:26 |
| Petaris | ok | 06:27 |
| Petaris | posted | 06:34 |
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| Petaris | I need to get sound up, is there anyway to run alsa locally on an ltsp client? For example could I use LocalApps to do it? | 07:06 |
| Petaris | hrm | 07:10 |
| Petaris | http://www.mediaapplicationserver.net/indexframes.html | 07:11 |
| Petaris | doesn't look like its been touched since 2004 though | 07:12 |
| Petaris | :/ | 07:12 |
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| sTo0z | Would anyone be so kind as to point in the right direction of getting an ibook to boot to ltsp? | 07:21 |
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| jelkner | hi all, anyone here played around with sound on edubuntu dapper? | 07:50 |
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| jelkner | we've got sound working (thanks to nick wheeler), but it won't work easily for childsplay or gcompris | 07:51 |
| jelkner | those are both programs with which you really need sound | 07:52 |
| jelkner | sound works if we launch them with "esddsp gcompris" | 07:52 |
| jelkner | but not from the menu | 07:52 |
| jelkner | should i file a bug report? | 07:53 |
| Petaris | jelkner: why not just change the launcher on the menu to use esddsp | 07:56 |
| Spec | How do you do that for everyone at once? | 07:56 |
| Petaris | look for where edubuntu puts the menu | 07:56 |
| Petaris | in debian it is in /var/lib/ but I'm not sure where for edubuntu | 07:58 |
| Petaris | looks like /usr/share/menu | 07:59 |
| Spec | can't I just edit the .desktop files? | 08:01 |
| Petaris | I still can't mount my smb share :/ | 08:01 |
| LaserJock | Spec: yes | 08:01 |
| Spec | although - that change wouldn't work with an upgrade | 08:01 |
| Spec | that could be a permanent change in the package and it'd still work | 08:02 |
| Spec | even for people who don't specifically use esd | 08:02 |
| Spec | well, is there a way to tell dpkg not to overwrite my own .desktop files in an upgrade? | 08:04 |
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| ogra | Spec, no, it cant | 08:07 |
| ogra | since ubuntu doesnt use esd if possible | 08:07 |
| ogra | so that would break ubuntu | 08:07 |
| Spec | so all edubuntu packages are the same as ubuntu packages? | 08:08 |
| ogra | yes | 08:08 |
| Spec | hmm | 08:08 |
| Spec | well, i have a temp fix, my job is done :p | 08:09 |
| ogra | you can edit /usr/share/applications/gcompris.desktop | 08:09 |
| Spec | i have | 08:09 |
| ogra | that will set it systemwide | 08:09 |
| Spec | but aren't those overwritten on upgrade? | 08:09 |
| ogra | but as you said above, wont persist on upgrades | 08:09 |
| ogra | i'll think about it | 08:09 |
| Spec | alrighty | 08:10 |
| Spec | thanks for the help | 08:10 |
| ogra | probably a wrapper script or a patch to gcompris will do, cant promise thats fixed until release though | 08:10 |
| Petaris | ogra: if not esd then what does edubuntu use for client sound? | 08:11 |
| Petaris | nasd? | 08:11 |
| ogra | edubuntu uses esd only | 08:11 |
| Petaris | please don't say artsd | 08:11 |
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| Petaris | ahh | 08:11 |
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| Bluekuja | JaneW: ping | 08:48 |
| cbx33 | brb | 08:57 |
| pygi | Bluekuja: she isn't here at this time ussualy | 08:57 |
| Bluekuja | pygi: yes, thats true :) | 08:58 |
| pygi | Bluekuja: bah | 08:58 |
| Bluekuja | pygi: you will have to say me how you do that | 09:00 |
| pygi | Bluekuja: autoreplace in xchat? | 09:00 |
| Bluekuja | that emoticon | 09:01 |
| pygi | Bluekuja: well, you do it with autoreplace function in xchat | 09:01 |
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| cbx33 | evenin all | 09:02 |
| Bluekuja | oo | 09:02 |
| Bluekuja | nice | 09:02 |
| Bluekuja | hi pete | 09:02 |
| cbx33 | hi Bluekuja | 09:02 |
| pygi | hi bug tracker | 09:02 |
| Bluekuja | how long do you will stay online? | 09:02 |
| cbx33 | hi pygi | 09:03 |
| cbx33 | I will try to stay on till the meeting | 09:03 |
| pygi | bah, I have to stop with that =P | 09:03 |
| cbx33 | I'll be online for an hour at least | 09:03 |
| cbx33 | hahah | 09:03 |
| Bluekuja | oh okie | 09:03 |
| pygi | cbx33: sorry, I'll stop now | 09:03 |
| cbx33 | it's ok | 09:03 |
| cbx33 | it really doesn't worry me... | 09:04 |
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| bugTracker | hehehe | 09:04 |
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| cbx33 | Bluekuja, what I was going to say was, I really really want to support you | 09:04 |
| cbx33 | so I was going to give a fan statement to someone so they could read it out in the meeting | 09:05 |
| pygi | cbx33: hehe | 09:05 |
| cbx33 | how does that sound | 09:05 |
| Bluekuja | haha | 09:05 |
| Bluekuja | it would be nice | 09:05 |
| Bluekuja | hehe | 09:05 |
| Bluekuja | ;) | 09:05 |
| cbx33 | if I can;t make it that is | 09:05 |
| cbx33 | I will try but I had a really really bad day at work today | 09:05 |
| cbx33 | and i have to get up at 5:30 am tomorrow | 09:06 |
| cbx33 | :S | 09:06 |
| Bluekuja | oh | 09:06 |
| Bluekuja | well, do how much you can to stay | 09:06 |
| cbx33 | I will | 09:06 |
| cbx33 | you know I will | 09:06 |
| Bluekuja | yep of course :) | 09:06 |
| Bluekuja | tomorrow meeting? | 09:06 |
| cbx33 | yes | 09:06 |
| Bluekuja | 12 utc? | 09:06 |
| cbx33 | I'll be there | 09:06 |
| Bluekuja | confirmed? | 09:06 |
| cbx33 | my boss wants me to be there | 09:07 |
| cbx33 | as far as I know | 09:07 |
| cbx33 | ogra, confirmed? | 09:07 |
| cbx33 | Bluekuja, i made some changes to the school docs | 09:07 |
| Bluekuja | planning page right? | 09:07 |
| cbx33 | did you see the new planning page | 09:07 |
| cbx33 | yeh | 09:07 |
| cbx33 | thought it would keep the main page clear | 09:08 |
| cbx33 | please fill in as you can :p | 09:08 |
| Bluekuja | yep, nice idea | 09:08 |
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| Petaris | hrm, the cups web ui isn't letting my authenticate | 09:54 |
| Petaris | oh well, I guess that can wait for tomarrow | 09:54 |
| Petaris | later all | 09:54 |
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| cbx33 | ping ogra | 10:19 |
| ogra | cbx33, yep | 10:21 |
| LaserJock | ogra: are you guys going to need more than 1 new EC person? | 10:23 |
| ogra | LaserJock, i'd like to have two | 10:23 |
| ogra | to have a weight against jane and me | 10:24 |
| ogra | and i'd also like to have someone involved in university stuff since thats a declared future target of edubuntu since the beginning | 10:24 |
| LaserJock | ogra: so should I come tomorrow? I already told highvoltage he has my support :-) | 10:24 |
| ogra | would be nice if you could come | 10:25 |
| pygi | ogra: when is that meeting? | 10:25 |
| ogra | (i'll also write a mail after CC ) | 10:25 |
| LaserJock | ok, its 05:00 for me but I'll sure try | 10:25 |
| cbx33 | tomorrow 12 UTC | 10:25 |
| ogra | pygi as usual 12:00 UTC | 10:25 |
| pygi | cbx33: uh, that's no good :-/ | 10:25 |
| LaserJock | if we have 4 people on the EC then the time zone coverage should be better as well | 10:26 |
| cbx33 | yes | 10:27 |
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| ogra | LaserJock, yep thats the idea | 10:27 |
| bugman | hi, the homepage http://www.edubuntu.org/ don't load some files (css and images) there are some problems? | 10:28 |
| ogra | bugman, right, thanks for pointing | 10:28 |
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| Bluekuja | cbx33: atill there? | 10:55 |
| Bluekuja | nice | 10:55 |
| ogra | bugman, look now | 10:55 |
| ogra | bugman, you were just caught by the switch to the new site ;) | 10:56 |
| bugman | ogre, nope | 10:56 |
| bugman | i reload | 10:56 |
| bugman | ok | 10:56 |
| bugman | very nice | 10:56 |
| Bluekuja | LaserJock: pete gone? | 10:57 |
| LaserJock | umm, he was here not long ago | 10:57 |
| cbx33 | I'm here | 10:57 |
| Bluekuja | oh | 10:57 |
| Bluekuja | ok | 10:57 |
| LaserJock | Bluekuja: don't worry, we are all here ;-) | 10:57 |
| Bluekuja | haha yes | 10:58 |
| Bluekuja | cc meeting has strange effects | 10:58 |
| Bluekuja | hehe | 10:58 |
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| LaserJock | Bluekuja: way to go dude, congrats | 11:56 |
| bimberi | Bluekuja: yay! well done :) | 12:01 |
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