[12:26] <Cauan[AWAY] > oi
[12:26] <Cauan[AWAY] > alguem fala portugues? algum brasileiro?
[04:54] <LaserJock> hi HedgeMage 
[04:59] <HedgeMage> hi LaserJock 
[04:59] <HedgeMage> what's up?
[05:00] <LaserJock> oh,  working on some bugs and trying to get a little research done on the side
[05:01] <HedgeMage> cool
[05:03] <LaserJock> well, I've got to do a research presentation on Wednesday so I better get some done :-)
[05:05] <HedgeMage> lol what on?
[05:07] <LaserJock> well, the short version would be that I'm trying to watch molecules in a thin layer of polymer change when I excite them with a laser
[05:08] <HedgeMage> and you can do that while IRCing? :P
[05:08] <LaserJock> well, I'm actually trying to distil toluene (paint thinner) right now
[05:09] <HedgeMage> lol
[05:09] <HedgeMage> I'll see you in a bit, have to run out
[08:24] <HedgeMage> back
[08:47] <cbx33> mornin all
[08:52] <HedgeMage> hi cbx33 
[08:53] <cbx33> hi HedgeMage 
[10:53] <cbx33> ing ogra 
[10:54] <ogra> ong cbx33 
[10:54] <cbx33> found a few more bugs in the live cd
[10:54] <cbx33> need to ask your opinion on some though
[10:54] <cbx33> that nautilus bug where it doesn't show files saved on the desktop....has happened on a real machine not just a VM ware one
[10:54] <cbx33> I've bug reported that
[10:55] <cbx33> after restarting nautilius it shows them and continues to function as expected thereafter
[10:55] <ogra> i'm just looking at the khangman one
[10:55] <cbx33> but here are my new ones, oh, I bugged the khangman one
[10:55] <cbx33> two different icons for evolution ??
[10:55] <cbx33> confusing for end user...
[10:56] <cbx33> well confused me anyway...and I'm supposed to be technical :p
[10:56] <cbx33> that was 1)
[10:56] <cbx33> 2) gnome-cups-manager not showing printer I just created, can't add any printer, network or local
[10:56] <cbx33> 3) what Does Network proxy affect....? - More of a question
[10:56] <cbx33> 4) Does dictionary use proxy on HTTP, if not useless to most UK schools
[10:57] <cbx33> 5) Remove some of the icon themes to save space? Same with login manager ??
[10:57] <cbx33> 5) Remove some of the icon themes to save space? Same with login manager ??
[10:57] <cbx33> 6) Remove Hibernation - this one is really upsetting me
[10:57] <cbx33> heheh
[10:57] <cbx33> :p
[10:57] <cbx33> that's it for the moment
[10:57] <cbx33> tell me if you want me to bug report any of them
[11:00] <cbx33> sorry it's a long list
[11:00] <cbx33> I'm still testing
[11:02] <ogra> two icons for evolution is fine, they start two different parts of evo
[11:02] <cbx33> ashh ok
[11:02] <cbx33> not on first run
[11:02] <cbx33> thats y it confused me
[11:02] <ogra> (one starts evo and the other starts evo --mail or something)
[11:05] <ogra> 2) seems to be a cups bug 
[11:05] <ogra> 3) should affect *all* proxy settings
[11:06] <cbx33> 3) doesn't
[11:06] <ogra> 4) it should
[11:06] <cbx33> :p
[11:06] <cbx33> 4) doesn't seem to
[11:06] <ogra> (if one is set indeed)
[11:06] <cbx33> of course
[11:06] <cbx33> if these don;t shall I bug them>?
[11:06] <cbx33> so are you saying network proxy should set my firefox proxy?
[11:06] <ogra> first look for existing bugs i cant imagine there are none
[11:07] <ogra> iirc yes, but i have used my last proxy 2 years ago
[11:07] <cbx33> ok
[11:07] <cbx33> of course I will
[11:08] <cbx33> 5,6 ?
[11:08] <cbx33> hehe
[11:09] <ogra> 6) no way
[11:10] <ogra> 5) will have to be an argument with ubuntu, we want you to be able to easily switch between ubuntu/edubuntu
[11:10] <ogra> the themes belong to gnome default
[11:10] <ogra> so i'm not sure we should drop them 
[11:10] <cbx33> ok
[11:10] <cbx33> 6 why?
[11:10] <cbx33> hibernation will never work on live cd apprently
[11:11] <cbx33> that's the response to my bug comment
[11:17] <cbx33> I just think that people may try to use it and be dissapointed, or in my case, break the live cd from being able to boot again
[11:21] <ogra> oh, you talked exclusively about the liveCd 
[11:22] <ogra> thats bugged several times
[11:22] <cbx33> yes, sorry ogra at the mo I'm testing livecd
[11:22] <ogra> (didnt we talk about it around beta already ?)
[11:22] <cbx33> thought you knew :p
[11:22] <cbx33> we did indeed
[11:22] <cbx33> but my comment was blown out of the water :p
[11:26] <cbx33> not by you
[11:26] <cbx33> by someone else on launchpad
[11:36] <cbx33> seems some of those issues are not bugged on lp
[11:36] <cbx33> so I will do them now
[12:00] <cbx33> hi highvoltage 
[12:00] <cbx33> howz it going
[12:07] <cbx33> ok, bugged all the ones that needed it
[12:08] <cbx33> anything in particular you want me to test ogra?
[12:08] <cbx33> I'm just working my way through each application at the moment
[12:09] <cbx33> one thing I have found in some of the educational packages is there is a lack of.....how can i describe it....first help.  When the application is run for the first time, it has taken me a good few minutes to work out what I have to do with the package.  Wondering if this is something that can be improved upon in eft?
[12:11] <ogra> mhz was working on a wikipage for that once, dunno if he ever finished it
[12:11] <ogra> (i dont care much about improving kdeed, since my main target is to drop it :) )
[12:11] <cbx33> ogra: it may tie into the current schooladvocacy and support network projects I have planned
[12:11] <cbx33> ogra: what will replace it?
[12:12] <ogra> nothing yet, thats why we still ship it and have an exploding CD all the time
[12:12] <cbx33> are there things in the pipeline?
[12:13] <highvoltage> hi cbx33 
[12:13] <ogra> nope, i was thinking about making it a SoC spec, but i wont mentor more than one and willow is way more important
[12:13] <highvoltage> hi ogra 
[12:13] <cbx33> willow?
[12:14] <ogra> highvoltage, the multiarch stuff is initially based on Yagisans patch (even there is not much left of the original code he submitted)
[12:14] <highvoltage> ogra: ok :)
[12:15] <ogra> and ppc clients on i386 servers only work with a trick https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation/LTSPCrossArchSetup
[12:16] <ogra> since the second half of ltsp-build-client needs to execute binarys in the chroot, you need a compatible CPU to build the initial chroot
[12:16] <cbx33> ahh therein lies a problem
[12:16] <highvoltage> i see what you mean
[12:16] <ogra> once quemu is in a usable state we can have real multiarch, but for now you need he liveCD workaround
[12:16] <highvoltage> ogra: do you think it's completely unlikely that we'll ever have an official add-on CD?
[12:17] <cbx33> i was just bout to suggest qemu
[12:17] <cbx33> an add on CD would be grand
[12:17] <ogra> its completely unlikely we'll ever ship it, but i can imagine a add-on CD
[12:17] <highvoltage> ogra: that adds things like kde edu (in edgy) other edu games we don't have yet (like anagramarama), etc
[12:18] <cbx33> does this mean kdeedu will be dropped in eft?
[12:18] <ogra> we need a solution for the space probelm in eft anyway ... 
[12:18] <highvoltage> cbx33: yep. it's just too big.
[12:18] <ogra> one option would be a separate language CD 
[12:18] <ogra> another would be a separate apps add-on CD
[12:18] <highvoltage> language support is probably more important than kdeedu
[12:19] <cbx33> I'm worried about what we will replace it with
[12:19] <ogra> i hope you get your sponsoring for paris, so we can spec it there
[12:19] <highvoltage> since high schools / universities would all use languages, but not all kdeedu.
[12:19] <cbx33> true
[12:19] <highvoltage> ogra: that's what i'm hoping for :)
[12:19] <cbx33> but where are we aiming it for now?
[12:19] <cbx33> primary/secondary/college/university?
[12:19] <highvoltage> ogra: my #1 mission for that was to convince you of an add-on cd in person. but it seems like i'm almost there on irc already ;)
[12:20] <cbx33> i think an add-on cd would be excellent
[12:20] <cbx33> not sure I'll be able to though
[12:22] <ogra> cbx33, thats a longstanding problem even ubuntu has :) 
[12:22] <ogra> the drawback of a 6 month release cycle
[12:22] <ogra> :)
[12:22] <cbx33> yeh indeed,
[12:22] <cbx33> but removal of kdeedu is a big thing
[12:23] <ogra> ask the people who write printed books ;)
[12:23] <cbx33> hallf the schools docs is about kdeedu :p
[12:23] <cbx33> what is going to be our distinguishing feature against ubuntu
[12:24] <ogra> ltsp by default is still our most  distinguishing feature
[12:24] <cbx33> yeh
[12:26] <pygi> JaneW: hi, you around?
[12:26] <JaneW> pygi: hi, yes
[12:27] <pygi> JaneW: got my mail / thoughts?
[12:28] <JaneW> still working through my mail (460 new messages when I got in) will respond as soon as I get there
[12:28] <JaneW> I was off yesterday
[12:29] <pygi> JaneW: joy  good luck with all the messages 
[12:29] <cbx33> hi JaneW 
[12:29] <pygi> hi bug tracker
[12:30] <cbx33> hi pygi 
[12:30] <JaneW> ogra: cos you are more popular than me :)
[12:30] <ogra> and thanks to the silly SoC ML even 50 more
[12:30] <pygi> ogra: hehe 
[12:30] <cbx33> JaneW: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuSchoolAdvocacy - I was talking to highvoltage about this getting printed and sent out to schools, he said to put it to you :p
[12:31] <cbx33> there are some printed page mockups to show what it could/would look like below
[12:31] <JaneW> cbx33: hi, I'll take a look, but it will be up to sabdfl and silbs (ogra and I can only motivate)
[12:32] <cbx33> yes
[12:32] <ogra> we should have a prinatble pdf, so schools can print it themselves
[12:32] <ogra> (at least)
[12:32] <cbx33> yes
[12:33] <cbx33> i'm working on it
[12:33] <ogra> :)
[12:33] <cbx33> looking at collaborating this with the ubuntu-doc team
[12:34] <cbx33> LaserJock suggested we talk to them
[12:34] <cbx33> I'm gonna start a DoCBook conversion on thursday
[12:34] <cbx33> that's the deadline I've set for inclusion of new material
[12:34] <pygi> talk to ya all later
[12:34] <cbx33> bye pygi 
[12:36] <cbx33> I'm hpoing then to start the conversions and pdfs
[12:45] <zakame> hi all
[12:45] <cbx33> hi zakame 
[12:46] <zakame> hello cbx33
[12:56] <cbx33> anyone want to offer me a job...I can't take it here much longer
[12:56] <cbx33> :S :(
[12:56] <cbx33> having a pig awful day, and just want to sit back and work on edubuntu
[12:56] <ogra> cbx33, i'd happily give you one if i could, really
[12:57] <cbx33> thankx ogra it's a great boost to hear you say that.....
[12:57] <cbx33> grrrrr.........................................................damn education
[12:57] <cbx33> I'm having issues with my colleague
[12:57] <cbx33> think IU'm going to have to have a chat
[12:57] <cbx33> I'm his boss
[12:57] <cbx33> and i keep getting flak for mistakes i didn;t make
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[12:58] <zakame> ogra: ping, I'd like to help on the SoC bounty for willow packaging :)
[12:59] <ogra> zakame, thats Amarath's SoC project (he approached me with it)
[12:59] <zakame> oh,
[12:59] <zakame> he's doing it now?
[01:00] <cbx33> what's willow packaging?
[01:00] <ogra> i'm not sure its possible to work in a team on a SoC project
[01:00] <cbx33> link me
[01:00] <cbx33> :p
[01:00] <ogra> http://www.digitallumber.com/software/willow/
[01:00] <ogra> zakame, it was his idea to do it
[01:01] <cbx33> looks good
[01:01] <zakame> ah, ok then ;D how about the simple-prog-app? what does it need?
[01:01] <cbx33> what about some small educational apps
[01:01] <cbx33> :p
[01:01] <cbx33> smaller than kdeedu hahahahah
[01:02] <ogra> zakame, i was refusing to mentor any SoC stuff at all (last time wasnt very fruitful imho), but he convinced me to mentor him if he does the willow stuff
[01:02] <ogra> whats the "simple-prog-app" ??
[01:02] <cbx33> awww aren;t you kind ogra 
[01:04] <ogra> cbx33, i'm not very good in mentoring ...
[01:04] <zakame> someone posted it on the edubuntu soc projects in the wiki... I'm not sure how viable it is, since it basically is just a request for a newer, perhaps simpler IDE for python or thereabouts
[01:04] <zakame> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/simple-prog-app
[01:05] <cbx33> ogra: you mentor me fine
[01:05] <ogra> zakame, heh, sounds like squeak implemented in python :)
[01:05] <cbx33> even if you don;t know you're doing it
[01:05] <ogra> cbx33, yes, but thats different 
[01:05] <zakame> ogra: then again, it reminds me of something... remember LOGO? =)
[01:05] <ogra> yep
[01:06] <ogra> same ... 
[01:06] <zakame> with that turtle robot
[01:06] <zakame> ?
[01:06] <cbx33> even though you don;t have time etc etc, I'd give a limb to have you as a mentor ogra  :p
[01:06] <cbx33> ogra: I'm hoping to sort out AD authentication
[01:06] <zakame> cbx33: NetworkAuthentication?
[01:06] <cbx33> yes against Active Directory
[01:06] <ogra> yep, thats adressed since quite some time with NetworkAuthentication
[01:07] <cbx33> yes
[01:07] <ogra> it just needs someone to work on it (if there isnt already)
[01:07] <ogra> i think Mithrandir was about to do it in eft
[01:08] <cbx33> i'll be happy to test etc
[01:08] <cbx33> seems like that's all i'm capable of doing at the mo....testing breaking and a bit of documenting
[01:08] <zakame> indeed, I'm interested on tackling that too, but I don't know much about AD and stuff :/
[01:08] <cbx33> AD is a pig
[01:09] <cbx33> kerberos makes it a little more difficult
[01:09] <zakame> chauvinist?
[01:09] <cbx33> hehehe
[01:10] <cbx33> it's a mircosoft chauvinist pig
[01:15] <cbx33> any now my lunch tastes funny
[01:15] <cbx33> :(
[01:17] <cbx33> ogra: still think it's worth continuing with doccing all the kdeedu apps in the school advocacy docs?
[01:17] <ogra> dapper will be supported for at least 3 years, so i think its worth it
[01:19] <highvoltage> ogra: but you're my ubuntu mentor :)
[01:19] <ogra> highvoltage, as i said, mentoring like we do here is different to SoC mentoring 
[01:19] <cbx33> indeed it is
[01:20] <cbx33> but I'd need the support
[01:20] <ogra> SoC mentoring requres a bunch of paperwork, and additional time i put into it
[01:21] <highvoltage> ah.
[01:22] <bimberi> cbx33: i think having a single page with all the apps described briefly with a screenshot is great
[01:22] <cbx33> thank you highvoltage ogra 
[01:22] <highvoltage> cbx33: :)
[01:22] <cbx33> bimberi: thank you - we're going to have it as a printable pdf soon
[01:22] <bimberi> (infeasable for a pamphlet of course)
[01:23] <cbx33> bimberi: not entirely
[01:23] <bimberi> (but not for a booklet :P)
[01:23] <cbx33> I'm just cautious now of promoting edubuntu with kdeedu being a big part of it
[01:23] <cbx33> it kdeedu isn't going to be in the next release
[01:23] <cbx33> bimberi: i see
[01:30] <cbx33> highvoltage: i did some more editingslightly to the docs
[01:31] <highvoltage> cbx33: i suggest you go ahead with the kde edu stuff
[01:31] <cbx33> ok
[01:31] <highvoltage> cbx33: edgy is still 6 months away, we can just do some updating before then
[01:32] <highvoltage> cbx33: kde edu is still a big part of the dapper releaes
[01:32] <cbx33> yup
[01:32] <cbx33> i just feel a bit like false advertising
[01:33] <cbx33> but then
[01:33] <cbx33> i suppose it's like that for all produects
[01:34] <highvoltage> nah, it's not false advertising :)
[01:34] <cbx33> cos hehe
[01:34] <cbx33> heheh
[01:34] <cbx33> my brain is mush today
[01:34] <cbx33> it's EC tomorrow right?
[01:35] <highvoltage> yep
[01:35] <cbx33> and new member approval
[01:36] <cbx33> we require presentations for EC right?
[01:37] <bimberi> the process on the CC is that you have your wikipage set up and prepare a 3 liner to paste into the IRC channel - not sure what the EC members want though :)
[01:37] <bimberi> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewMemberHowto
[01:38] <bimberi> actually i guess it would be ECC - Edubuntu Community Council
[01:40] <ogra> lets just call it edubuntu council :)
[01:40] <cbx33> EC :D
[01:40] <ogra> yeo
[01:40] <bimberi> yes sir :)
[01:40] <ogra> err
[01:40] <ogra> yep
[01:44] <cbx33> so ogra I need to prepare a presentation?
[01:45] <ogra> cbx33, a short introduction about yourself (three lines) 
[01:45] <ogra> and make sure your wikipage will list all your contributions
[01:46] <cbx33> i think it does
[01:46] <ogra> additionally your targets with your ubuntu/edubuntu work and what you like to see us going towards in the future ...
[01:46] <cbx33> in 3 lines
[01:46] <ogra> and how ou think you can help with your work to achieve that
[01:47] <ogra> the three lines are just an introduction about yourself
[01:47] <cbx33> I'll repeat in 3 lines
[01:47] <cbx33> are ok
[01:47] <cbx33> got an example?
[01:47] <ogra> the rest will be asked in the interview following
[01:47] <ogra> grab a log from a CC meeting
[01:47] <cbx33> ok
[01:47] <cbx33> nice idea
[01:47] <ogra> our process wont differ much
[01:47] <cbx33> ok
[01:48] <bimberi> cbx33: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs
[01:50] <bimberi> cbx33: don't - i was crap :P
[01:50] <bimberi> ... and probably only got in because the council wanted to get the meeting finished :)
[01:51] <bimberi> ... and mako (the hard man) wasn't there
[01:51] <cbx33> hehehe
[01:51] <cbx33> he's a hard man :p
[01:51] <ogra> bimberi, you mean being absent all the time ?
[01:52] <bimberi> lol
[01:52] <bimberi> no - it seems whenever someone gets knocked back it's mako who does the letting down
[02:15] <Draigh> ogra, you there?
[02:15] <ogra> yep
[02:16] <Draigh> good.. I installed Ubuntu and have been checking the (horrid) educational software... 
[02:16] <ogra> whats horrid about it ? 
[02:16] <Draigh> Ready to make a complete design for it. But what language has the most preference? Hiddenwolf talked about Python?
[02:17] <Draigh> These are not games, well most of them aren't. And they are boring. I have done some research for a schoolproject in this area.
[02:18] <Draigh> Children will not be enjoying themselves with this.. They may use it, when they need to.. But thats totally it.
[02:18] <Draigh> It will not teach children voluntairily. Only when an adult is standing there to urge them.
[02:21] <ogra> yeah, python is the easiest if we want to include it in the default install
[02:22] <Draigh> good, then i'll learn python
[02:22] <ogra> i guess you have looked at gcompris and childsplay
[02:22] <Draigh> I looked at these: http://edu.kde.org/
[02:23] <ogra> might be theyx are boring :) but they are famous among educators
[02:26] <Draigh> maybe true.. But if these are the only ones, then there isnt much choice.. is there.. 8)
[02:26] <ogra> exactly
[02:26] <ogra> we'd like to have replacements for them ....
[02:26] <Draigh> so.. on what game shall I work on then?
[02:26] <Draigh> which topic?
[02:26] <Draigh>  :)
[02:31] <cbx33> Draigh: where do we begin
[02:31] <cbx33> :p
[02:31] <cbx33> Draigh: I want t olearn puython too
[02:31] <cbx33> so i can contribute in that way 
[02:32] <|Terje|> Hi, if you are interested in a DaisyPlayer for Linux, come visit our website: http://developer.skolelinux.no/info/studentgrupper/2006-hig-daisyplayer/
[02:33] <Draigh> I can learn computerlanguages easily, when I need to :)
[02:33] <cbx33> me too
[02:33] <cbx33> I've programmed in over 15 of various levels
[02:40] <Draigh> cbx33, you are going to be a mentor or something?
[02:40] <Draigh> (sorry, got a phonecall over here)
[02:40] <cbx33> no no no
[02:40] <cbx33> I do php mainly
[02:40] <cbx33> wich isn;t of much use to a project like edubuntu
[02:40] <Draigh> not really no :)
[02:41] <cbx33> we could learn python together
[02:41] <cbx33> ogra: could be our mentor :p
[02:41] <cbx33> hahahahah
[02:41] <Draigh> :)
[02:41] <cbx33> :p
[02:42] <Draigh> I mostly want to know how I can join the Summer of Code project with this edu-game proposition
[02:42] <cbx33> ah isee
[02:42] <ogra> you'll need a mentor for it
[02:43] <cbx33> hehehe
[02:44] <ogra> and it must be listed as SoC project indeed
[02:45] <Draigh> how to do those two things?
[02:45] <cbx33> heheh
[02:45] <cbx33> how much experience is needed for the SoC project
[02:45] <cbx33> i mean if you were looking to do a python project
[02:45] <cbx33> is the purpose of it to teach someone how to do it with a mentor
[02:45] <cbx33> or just to have the mentor help out when there's an issue
[02:47] <ogra> the mentor has to do weekly reviews of your work, teach you the missing bits you need (i.e. packaging etc) 
[02:48] <ogra> has to write weekly reports to google ...
[02:48] <Draigh> And where can I find a mentor?
[02:48] <ogra> its an awful lot of work
[02:49] <cbx33> hehe
[02:49] <ogra> Draigh, JaneW is our SoC mistress
[02:49] <JaneW> *salute*
[02:49] <cbx33> hi JaneW 
[02:49] <Draigh> So I need to harass her about it? :P
[02:49] <ogra> :)
[02:50] <JaneW> what can I do for you?
[02:50] <zakame> w00t
[02:50] <cbx33> i think JaneW misunderstood the word mistress
[02:50] <JaneW> (and if you mailed me I am working through my mail flood)
[02:50] <ogra> cbx33, not at all :)
[02:50] <JaneW> cbx33: not at all ;)
[02:50] <JaneW> snap
[02:50] <Draigh> I want to join the SoC with an edutainment program for edubuntu
[02:50] <ogra> lol
[02:50] <cbx33> that's scary
[02:50] <cbx33> IRC jinx
[02:51] <JaneW> well ogra and I are merging into a single auto-bot
[02:51] <JaneW> or mega-bot
[02:51] <ogra> hehe
[02:51] <JaneW> Draigh: join? as a mentor or student?
[02:51] <Draigh> student
[02:51] <JaneW> speaking of which where is edubuntugirl?
[02:52] <ogra> highvoltage took her home
[02:52] <JaneW> Draigh: oic, and you want to propose your own project too?
[02:52] <JaneW> ogra: that's scarey!
[02:52] <ogra> :)
[02:52] <Draigh> I want to go into the games development after my studies. This project would fill my school-portfolio
[02:53] <JaneW> Draigh: you would need to list your idea here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GoogleSoC2006
[02:53] <JaneW> and then preferable create a full spec in the wiki too and create a launchpad listing too (I can help you with that part if you need it)
[02:53] <JaneW> then you'd need to apply for that project through the Google SoC application process
[02:53] <Draigh> please yes, do I need to sign up somewhere?
[02:54] <JaneW> Draigh: here's an example: LP registration https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/samba-config-gui  , wiki page spec: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GUISambaConfigSpec
[02:55] <JaneW> and it;s listed on the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GoogleSoC2006 page as 6.9
[02:55] <jsgotangco> hi guys
[02:55] <jsgotangco> ogra: let's merge :)
[02:55] <cbx33> oh ogra did my man pages go in yet?
[02:56] <JaneW> Draigh: I can't see the student sign-up page (as a mentor and admin) but I imagine it's listed off http://code.google.com/soc/ and be sure to read the student FAQ
[02:56] <JaneW> jsgotangco: sounds like you are propositioning ogra!
[02:56] <jsgotangco> lol
[02:56] <Draigh> I have signed up as a student already, that isnt the problem :P
[02:57] <jsgotangco> JaneW: i'm done with the Yelp page and firefox startpage so :P
[02:57] <JaneW> Draigh: so you'll need to create the project and then apply for it
[02:57] <JaneW> jsgotangco: YAY
[02:57] <jsgotangco> err
[02:58] <cbx33> two ogras
[02:58] <cbx33> w00t
[02:58] <jsgotangco> JaneW: i got your email btw, thanks
[02:58] <cbx33> dang it ogra 
[02:58] <jsgotangco> so yeah, we could upload now
[02:59] <ogra> jsgotangco, i still havent the url to checkout here 
[02:59] <jsgotangco> errr
[02:59] <jsgotangco> hold on
[02:59] <JaneW> jsgotangco: good luck!
[03:00] <jsgotangco> ogra: https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk/edubuntu/
[03:00] <Draigh> right..
[03:00] <jsgotangco> igore the EdubuntuRelaseNotes folder
[03:00] <cbx33> oooooooooooooh the docs
[03:00] <jsgotangco> ogra: svn
[03:00] <cbx33> jsgotangco: what's the repo for?
[03:00] <cbx33> is that the main edubuntu doc repo?
[03:01] <jsgotangco> cbx33: that's the documentation team repository i've only included edubuntu so that he won't checkout the whole repo
[03:01] <ogra> jsgotangco, thanks
[03:01] <jsgotangco> (its around 200MB)
[03:01] <cbx33> I knopw
[03:01] <cbx33> i checked it out yesterday
[03:01] <cbx33> I'm hoping to put the schooladvocacy docs in there soon
[03:02] <jsgotangco> if you send it to me, i'll upload it
[03:02] <jsgotangco> but you'll have to do patches after
[03:02] <cbx33> i will when it's ready
[03:02] <cbx33> :p
[03:03] <jsgotangco> ogra: we could probably make a big shiny link on the firefox page at the upper right for the schooltool URL
[03:03] <cbx33> heh
[03:03] <cbx33> what are you doccing?
[03:04] <cbx33> I'm trying to get into the doc team so i can upload and maintain the docs
[03:04] <Draigh> so.. where do I need to go to to write the SoC proposal?
[03:04] <jsgotangco> ive been docc'ing since warty :)
[03:04] <cbx33> woh
[03:04] <cbx33> excellent
[03:04] <jsgotangco> i manage the LP team
[03:04] <cbx33> ogra: I've been thinking, i think we need an LTSP guide
[03:04] <cbx33> is there one already
[03:04] <cbx33> jsgotangco: what's needed to become a member
[03:04] <ogra> there are only three commands you can use for ltsp ...
[03:05] <jsgotangco> cbx33: patches, lots of patches
[03:05] <ogra> and some peripherial docs 
[03:05] <jsgotangco> cbx33: but we could improve edubuntu docs itself
[03:05] <jsgotangco> we have our own scheds
[03:05] <ogra> ++
[03:05] <cbx33> I'm hoping to write a lot more edubuntu docs
[03:05] <jsgotangco> we're not under the freeze dates of ubuntu
[03:05] <cbx33> the final aim to write anedubuntu book
[03:05] <cbx33> aimed at school administrators
[03:05] <jsgotangco> but we should aim for translations in the future
[03:06] <jsgotangco> ogra: how difficult would be to have translations of the firefox page at least?
[03:06] <jsgotangco> its just  afew strings
[03:06] <cbx33> jsgotangco: so easiest way for me to get the docs into the repo now is to pass them over to you?
[03:06] <jsgotangco> cbx33: yeah
[03:06] <cbx33> ogra: I know that... iwas meaning ways in which it can be used
[03:06] <jsgotangco> cbx33: but should be docbook xml for maximum compat
[03:06] <cbx33> installation of software, DHCP, one nic/two nic setups
[03:06] <cbx33> jsgotangco: I'm working on it
[03:07] <ogra> jsgotangco, no idea, i'm not involved with translations at all
[03:07] <cbx33> I have decalred feature freeze on the doc on thursday
[03:07] <cbx33> so hopefully I'll be starting to convert it then
[03:07] <ogra> i have a german translation of highvoltage's gettingstarted guide
[03:07] <jsgotangco> ogra: i will ask Diziet about the firefox thing for locales
[03:07] <cbx33> jsgotangco: do you use any gui tools for it?
[03:07] <ogra> there is a wikipage about it
[03:07] <cbx33> for writing docbook
[03:08] <jsgotangco> cbx33: there's conglomerate, but not really ready for primetime use
[03:08] <jsgotangco> cbx33: emacs :P
[03:08] <jsgotangco> or plain bluefish would also do
[03:08] <Petaris> ogra: How should dhcp be setup in a two nic ltsp server?
[03:08] <cbx33> nano here :p
[03:09] <jsgotangco> cbx33: sure, it doesn't really matter, the toolchain is all console
[03:09] <cbx33> yes
[03:09] <cbx33> are there docs on that
[03:09] <jsgotangco> we'll probably have a browser-based docbook editor by edgy
[03:10] <cbx33> are pdfs created automatically
[03:10] <cbx33> brb
[03:10] <ogra> Petaris, that really depends on your setup
[03:10] <jsgotangco> no they're done with a script
[03:10] <jsgotangco> it requires apache fop
[03:10] <jsgotangco> there's really a need for a free pdf toolchain
[03:11] <Petaris> ogra: eth1 goes to my normal network, eth0 goes to the gbit switches the clients are on
[03:11] <JaneW> jsgotangco: what happened to that guy who was doing it?
[03:11] <jsgotangco> JaneW: lost in oblivion
[03:11] <JaneW> :(
[03:11] <JaneW> typical
[03:11] <jsgotangco> yeah
[03:11] <ogra> Petaris, does your normal network already have a dhcp server ? 
[03:12] <jsgotangco> JaneW: i would have loved to pursue it though, if i had enough time
[03:12] <JaneW> nod
[03:12] <Petaris> ogra: yes, but the clients can't see it can they?
[03:12] <ogra> nope
[03:12] <ogra> and they shouldnt
[03:12] <Petaris> right
[03:12] <ogra> so you set up eth1 to use dhcp and give a static ip to eth0
[03:13] <ogra> then make sure the static ip is within the range you define in your /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
[03:14] <ogra> the dhcp server will automatically attach to the interface where it sees thet config matches and leave the other iface alone
[03:15] <Petaris> ok
[03:15] <Petaris> are the defaults in that file ok?
[03:15] <highvoltage> ogra: where do you have it?
[03:15] <highvoltage> ogra: (the .de GS guide)
[03:16] <ogra> Petaris, yep, just use a static ip that matches the range in there
[03:17] <Petaris> ogra: it shouldn't be in that range just in that specifid subnet right?
[03:18] <ogra> 192.168.0.1 would be a good choice for the ip
[03:18] <Petaris> right
[03:22] <Petaris> Which services have to be enabled?  dhcpd obviously
[03:23] <ogra> highvoltage, http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Edubuntu
[03:23] <Draigh> JaneW: where to go, for adding the project?
[03:24] <Petaris> oh cool
[03:24] <Petaris> apparently only dhcp
[03:24] <ogra> yep
[03:25] <ogra> the rest should stay with the defaults as is 
[03:25] <JaneW> Draigh: I gave you the links above  (at hh:52)
[03:26] <Petaris> sweet, a button that shuts down the clients
[03:26] <Petaris> ogra: anyway to shutdown all of the clients at the same time?
[03:26] <ogra> Petaris, please tell me if it works, i havent got much feedback about the shutdown yet
[03:27] <ogra> not yet
[03:27] <Petaris> That would be great
[03:27] <Petaris> ogra: just did
[03:27] <ogra> that will be part of the student control panel at some point
[03:27] <Draigh> JaneW: I can edit the wiki to add it there. But I dont know anything about the other two you mentioned. I have seen the examples though..
[03:27] <Petaris> it worked great on these clients
[03:27] <ogra> cool !
[03:27] <ogra> thanks :)
[03:27] <Petaris> np :)
[03:27] <jsgotangco> lol i got a huge 52MB kde-based update
[03:27] <JaneW> Draigh: yes edit that wiki page
[03:27] <cbx33> what's this about shutting down clients?
[03:28] <ogra> cbx33, breezy had no shutdown button in ldm, dapper has one, but i havent heard much if it works or not for everyone ...
[03:28] <cbx33> hmmm
[03:28] <Petaris> ogra: after rebooting though it came up to a shell login
[03:28] <cbx33> oh yes
[03:28] <cbx33> it worked fine for me
[03:28] <Petaris> rebooting again fixes
[03:28] <cbx33> ogra: you are working on a graohical LTSP GUI yes?
[03:29] <ogra> Petaris, alt+f7 should as well
[03:29] <JaneW> Draigh: here's more info on creating a spec https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SpecLifeCycle
[03:29] <Petaris> oh?
[03:29] <ogra> cbx33, http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/LTSPManager/
[03:29] <Petaris> then its just popping to the wrong terminal
[03:29] <ogra> yep
[03:30] <cbx33> how complete is it?
[03:30] <JaneW> Draigh: and use the spec template https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SpecTemplate
[03:30] <ogra> i'm currently away from my lab and wont get there this week, so i cant check whats going wrong (no clients around)
[03:30] <cbx33> are they mock screens?
[03:30] <Draigh> JaneW : thanks
[03:30] <ogra> cbx33, nope
[03:30] <Petaris> grr
[03:30] <cbx33> so you have a working program
[03:30] <Petaris> I was wrong, rebooting didn't fix it
[03:30] <Petaris> that could be an issue
[03:30] <ogra> cbx33, but only half of the functions work yet
[03:30] <Petaris> but alt+F7 did
[03:30] <ogra> Petaris, it is
[03:30] <cbx33> ogra: need any help?
[03:31] <ogra> cbx33, yep, but i dont have time even to thnk about it before eft is open for development
[03:31] <ogra> too much other stuff to do for dapper now
[03:31] <cbx33> of course
[03:31] <cbx33> please let me know when you are "thinking"
[03:31] <Petaris> hrm
[03:31] <ogra> but feel free to check out the bzr archive ;)
[03:32] <cbx33> any if you have any code I could take a ganders at
[03:32] <cbx33> :p
[03:32] <cbx33> will do
[03:32] <Petaris> I can't login on the client
[03:32] <ogra> Petaris, do you have sabayon installed ? 
[03:32] <Petaris> ogra: What is sabayon?
[03:32] <ogra> Petaris, ok, then i suppose you dont
[03:32] <ogra> ah, one moment
[03:32] <ogra> you changed the ip :)
[03:33] <Petaris> its a fresh install of edubuntu dapper
[03:33] <cbx33> did you update the ssh keys
[03:33] <ogra> run: sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys
[03:33] <ogra> so the system knows about the new ip
[03:33] <cbx33> ogra: did my man pages make the update yet?
[03:33] <ogra> not yet
[03:33] <cbx33> heheh
[03:33] <ogra> i have a bigger update pending where not all stuff is complete yet
[03:33] <ogra> that will have the manpages as well
[03:34] <cbx33> excellent
[03:34] <Petaris> that worked
[03:34] <cbx33> :D
[03:34] <ogra> :)
[03:34] <Petaris> anyway to change the clients over to xfce4 by default?
[03:35] <Petaris> Also is it recommended to install the updates from the update notification?
[03:37] <cbx33> Petaris: depends if you believe in God :p
[03:37] <cbx33> just kidding
[03:37] <Petaris> haha
[03:38] <Yagisan> ogra: shutdown button doesn't work for me. I still need to press the power-off button (but this time I don't need to hold it in for 5 seconds, so that's an improvement)
[03:38] <cbx33> hehe
[03:38] <Petaris> Yagisan: Thats what we had to do here before, and the shutdown button will be very welcome
[03:39] <Petaris> cbx33: How likly is it that I will foobar the system if I let it install those updates?
[03:39] <Yagisan> Petaris: well, I am on dapper, and I see a nice shutdown button. It doesn't actually work like that though. It halts the system, but does not power off
[03:40] <Petaris> Yagisan: halts the systems for my clients
[03:40] <Petaris> which is way cool
[03:41] <Yagisan> Petaris: in general installing updates is a good idea
[03:41] <Petaris> Is there any info on how to switch the clients to xfce?
[03:41] <Petaris> Yagisan: I only ask because I have had times in the past where doing so led to issues
[03:42] <Petaris> :)
[03:42] <cbx33> ogra: just collecting the bzr branch
[03:42] <cbx33> Petaris: I'm not sure, my suystem worked fine
[03:43] <Petaris> ok
[03:44] <Petaris> I would still like to know how to switch the clients to xfce by default
[03:44] <ogra> Petaris, just install xubuntu-desktop ?
[03:44] <Petaris> i did
[03:44] <ogra> ldm just executes /etx/X11/XSession
[03:45] <Petaris> ok
[03:45] <ogra> whatever that finds as default will be run 
[03:45] <Petaris> will check that file
[03:45] <ogra> so probably an dpkg-reconfigure x-session-manager might help ;)
[03:45] <Yagisan> Petaris: hence, my in general. are you on dapper ?
[03:45] <Draigh> JaneW: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GoogleSoC2006 4.3 Edutainment; your opinion?
[03:46] <Petaris> Yagisan: yeah
[03:46] <JaneW> Draigh: checking...
[03:47] <cbx33> ogra: would i install ltsp server or standalone?
[03:47] <Draigh> not good with words, even though I have several ideas in my head... :S
[03:47] <Yagisan> Petaris: I'd update every few days, to give them time to fix any possible breaks
[03:48] <ogra> cbx33, depends if you want a dhcp server or not
[03:48] <Petaris> Yagisan: ok, just the updates or should I do dist-upgrades?
[03:48] <cbx33> ah...
[03:48] <cbx33> not
[03:48] <cbx33> just the server package i take it
[03:48] <Petaris> ogra: there is not dpkg-reconfigure x-session-manager
[03:50] <ogra> ogra@edubuntu:/mnt/devel/packages/gnome-screensaver-2.14.1$ ls /etc/alternatives/x-session-manager
[03:50] <ogra> /etc/alternatives/x-session-manager
[03:50] <ogra> for me it is
[03:50] <Yagisan> Petaris: if you are already on dapper, just upgrade. dist-upgrade is when you go breezy -> dapper, or dapper -> edgy
[03:50] <cbx33> ooooh ogra I like LLTSP Manager
[03:51] <ogra> Petaris, err
[03:51] <ogra> s/update-alternatives/dpkg-reconfigure/
[03:51] <ogra> indeed, sorry
[03:52] <ogra> i'm a bit dizzy since i try to get stuff done in parallel here
[03:52] <Petaris> heh, I know how that can be
[03:52] <cbx33> ogra: aren't you like 50 processors all rolled into one
[03:53] <Petaris> I'm trying to rebuild this ltsp and build an email server, among other daily things
[03:53] <JaneW> Draigh: you gonna make Gnome stuff?
[03:53] <cbx33> ogra: what did you use to build your glade screens?
[03:54] <Petaris> I should be able to switch the defualt from gnome to xfce in a file
[03:54] <Petaris> but I can't remember which file its in
[03:54] <JaneW> Draigh: sounds great, if you can do it! :)
[03:54] <Draigh> JaneW: I make what works best. If that is Gnome, then I'll do Gnome :)
[03:54] <ogra> Petaris, update-alternatives will do it for you
[03:54] <ogra> cbx33, glade
[03:54] <Draigh> Gnome is the one normally used, right?
[03:55] <JaneW> yes
[03:55] <JaneW> Draigh: ogra will love you for it
[03:55] <Draigh> I know ^-^
[03:55] <Draigh> anyway.. now where to?
[03:55] <Petaris> ogra: update-alternatives --all?
[03:56] <ogra> --config
[03:57] <Petaris> --config what?  --config xfce4?
[03:57] <ogra> sigh
[03:57] <ogra> update-alternatives --config x-session-manager
[03:57] <Petaris> ahh
[03:58] <Petaris> ok
[03:58] <ogra> it should list xfce
[03:58] <Petaris> yep
[04:00] <Petaris> whoops
[04:01] <cbx33> hmm
[04:04] <Petaris> cool, it worked
[04:05] <Draigh> JaneW: I am now at the specs-page (https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+specs); what do you want to see there? Just a general description? more?
[04:09] <cbx33> JaneW: did you get a chance to look at our schooladvocacy docs?
[04:09] <JaneW> cbx33: yes, looks great
[04:09] <JaneW> cbx33: can you let me know when it's finished?
[04:09] <cbx33> sure
[04:11] <cbx33> should have final draft by thursday
[04:12] <cbx33>  /final/first
[04:16] <Draigh> JaneW: what do you need from me at this point
[04:24] <JaneW> Draigh: did you read?
[04:24] <JaneW> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SpecLifeCycle
[04:26] <Draigh> so I need to make a braindump there, with as much info as possible?
[04:28] <jsgotangco> yeah
[04:28] <jsgotangco> don't think, just dump
[04:29] <zakame> yes, take a seat
[04:30] <jsgotangco> ogra: the firefox thing looks scary
[04:30] <HiddenWolf> zakame: jsgotangco, ew!
[04:30] <jsgotangco> hey
[04:30] <ogra> jsgotangco, thw localization page ? 
[04:30] <jsgotangco> yeah
[04:30] <ogra> *the
[04:31] <ogra> yep
[04:31] <jsgotangco> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperFirefoxStartPageTranslation
[04:31] <zakame> HiddenWolf: huh?
[04:31] <jsgotangco> should we pursue localization of the start page?
[04:32] <HiddenWolf> zakame: dump, take a seat. :P
[04:32] <HiddenWolf> zakame: that's just wrong. ;)
[04:33] <zakame> HiddenWolf: nah, its `take a seat, then dump' that is :P
[04:33] <HiddenWolf> ;)
[04:33] <zakame> for all you know I could be just dumping food off the table and taking a seat to eat it ;)
[04:33] <zakame> anyhow gtg
[04:35] <JaneW> Draigh: have you created your spec from the template yet? or do you need hep with that?
[04:37] <jsgotangco> ogra: just ping me if there are any more changes you want to integrate
[04:37] <jsgotangco> i'd like to try localisation
[04:38] <ogra> oki
[04:38] <Draigh> JaneW : working on the description. Checking wether I missed anything or not. 
[04:39] <JaneW> Draigh: ok cool, the spec can be edited so don't worry to much on first draft
[04:39] <JaneW> Draigh: do you know how to create the launchpad portion?
[04:39] <Draigh> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/edutainment
[04:40] <jsgotangco> im pretty scared of the rebuild part though
[04:41] <cbx33> jsgotangco: you tried <oxygen>
[04:41] <jsgotangco> yes
[04:41] <jsgotangco> i have a copy of oxygen
[04:41] <cbx33> is it up to much?
[04:41] <JaneW> woah, ok that should just have a SHORT summary, 1 or 2 lines to give someone an idea what it;s aboutm the detail must go in the spec in the wiki
[04:42] <JaneW> Draigh: ^^^
[04:42] <jsgotangco> cbx33: they have a student edition i believe
[04:42] <jsgotangco> cbx33: but I only use it for commercial projects
[04:42] <cbx33> are we talking about http://www.oxygenxml.com/
[04:43] <jsgotangco> cbx33: my work in ubuntu involves mostly on bluefish and the gnome-doc utils
[04:43] <jsgotangco> cbx33: yes, the one running on java
[04:43] <Draigh> JaneW : where should I have posted those then? :/
[04:43] <cbx33> would it be of any use for docbook?
[04:43] <JaneW> Draigh: gimme a sec...
[04:43] <jsgotangco> cbx33: yes it has native docbook support
[04:43] <cbx33> oooooh
[04:44] <jsgotangco> cbx33: you can try it for 30 days
[04:44] <cbx33> ahhhh right i see
[04:44] <cbx33> that sux then
[04:44] <jsgotangco> cbx33: it already has its own toolchain for pdf and html output
[04:44] <jsgotangco> cbx33: but it defeats my dream of a free pdf toolchain :)
[04:44] <cbx33> indeed
[04:44] <cbx33> it's a shame there isn't something in the middle
[04:45] <cbx33> do you use Bluefish for doccing then?
[04:45] <jsgotangco> yes it has some simple docbook tags support
[04:45] <cbx33> built in?
[04:45] <jsgotangco> yes
[04:45] <JaneW> Draigh: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/edutainment
[04:45] <jsgotangco> there's also screem and conglomerate
[04:46] <JaneW> Draigh: click on Read More
[04:46] <cbx33> jsgotangco: in your opinion are either of them any good
[04:46] <JaneW> Draigh: that will take you to the wiki page, do all your brain dumping there :)
[04:46] <jsgotangco> cbx33: i once did a project for the United Nations that involved moving manuscripts to docbook but only using a free toolchain, I did it with gnome-doc-utils and bluefish
[04:46] <JaneW> Draigh: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuEdutainment
[04:47] <cbx33> ok
[04:47] <jsgotangco> cbx33: i could have done it faster with oxygen but then, is an IOSN sponsored project
[04:47] <Draigh> JaneW : thanks
[04:47] <cbx33> indeed jsgotangco 
[04:48] <cbx33> are all the toolchain scripts in the svn repo?
[04:48] <jsgotangco> the validation and make scripts are in the repo
[04:48] <jsgotangco> but you'll have to download docbook, docbook-xsl and make
[04:48] <cbx33> yes i have thost
[04:49] <jsgotangco> that should get you started
[04:49] <Draigh> JaneW: and after I dumped a lot of info in there? What should I then do?
[04:52] <JaneW> Draigh: ask ogra to review if it is feasible as a project, if he is happy then apply via http://code.google.com/soc/ and good luck!
[04:52] <jsgotangco> JaneW: bye
[04:52] <JaneW> jsgotangco: wave
[04:52] <ogra> JaneW, i'm happy with it but i wont mentor it 
[04:52] <JaneW> may pop back later
[04:53] <JaneW> ogra: ok we'll find someone, as long as the spec is sound
[04:53] <Draigh> Thanks JaneW
[04:53] <JaneW> off to yoga :))
[04:54] <ogra> have fune
[04:54] <ogra> fun even
[04:54] <ogra> and make sure to resolve all the nodes in your exremities afterwards :) 
[04:54] <ogra> s/nodes/knots/ ?
[04:57] <cbx33> see ya later all
[04:57] <cbx33> thanks jsgotangco and ogra for all your help
[04:57] <Draigh> well.. I am going to get some food over here
[04:58] <Draigh> see you later, and thanks for the help. Will go work a bit more on those specs later tonight
[05:33] <Petaris> When I open openoffice writer it does not load a blank page
[05:33] <Petaris> it doesn't load any page
[05:47] <Petaris> Hello highvoltage
[05:48] <highvoltage> hi Petaris!
[05:49] <Petaris> My server is coming along pretty nice
[05:50] <Petaris> I noticed that when I open openoffice writer that no default document is opened
[05:52] <highvoltage> what do you mean?
[05:53] <Petaris> the defualt blank page template does not automatically open when you start writer
[05:54] <Petaris> so you open it then have to hit the new document button
[05:56] <highvoltage> hmmm... that's strange.
[05:56] <highvoltage> Petaris: this is dapper beta?
[05:58] <Petaris> yep
[05:59] <Petaris> hrm
[05:59] <Petaris> what do the clients use for config if they don't use lts.conf by default?
[06:00] <ogra> autodetected values 
[06:00] <Petaris> Is there another way to turn sound on I wonder
[06:00] <Petaris> ahh
[06:00] <ogra> similar to the liveCd bootprocess
[06:00] <ogra> nope, you need to set it in lts.conf
[06:00] <Petaris> ok, so its using discovery or something similar
[06:00] <ogra> nah
[06:01] <ogra> have a look at the initscript (ltsp-client-setup) in the chroot
[06:01] <Petaris> then just move lts.conf to /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ ?
[06:01] <highvoltage> ogra: is there an open office bug that writer doesn't start with a writer document when you start writer?
[06:01] <ogra> highvoltage, did it ever do that ? 
[06:01] <ogra> i dont even have ooo installed here
[06:01] <Petaris> ogra: it should
[06:01] <jsgotangco> i didnt even understand the question heh
[06:01] <ogra> Petaris, thats something else :)
[06:01] <ogra> did it do it in breezy ?
[06:02] <ogra> i.e. do we have an regression here :)
[06:02] <highvoltage> ogra: Petaris's OOo does that, it seems
[06:02] <ogra> highvoltage, i'm not intrested in what it does now, i just want to know if we have a difference to breezy
[06:03] <ogra> else its only a whishlist item :)
[06:03] <highvoltage> ogra: yes, it's different to breezy. when you click on writer in OOo, it opens Writer, and when you click on Calc, it opens calc.
[06:05] <ogra> with or without an empty document ? 
[06:05] <ogra> (since that was the question)
[06:06] <Bluekuja> hi guys
[06:07] <jsgotangco> hi
[06:07] <Bluekuja> i was taking a look to my lp page and i noticed that someone used my account today
[06:08] <Bluekuja> i just arrived home and i see translation suggestion at 2 of may
[06:08] <Bluekuja> thats impossible
[06:08] <highvoltage> ogra: without an empty document, as far as i understand from Petaris 
[06:08] <ogra> sigh
[06:09] <ogra> is there a difference in this behavior top breezy ? 
[06:09] <ogra> s/top/to/
[06:09] <ogra> thats the only info i'm intrested in
[06:09] <ogra> everything else is no bug but an enhancement request
[06:10] <Petaris> ogra: I never ran breezy, but if you install openoffice manually or the debian packages it opens a blank document
[06:10] <highvoltage> ogra: yes, it's different to breezy
[06:11] <ogra> ah, thatnks
[06:11] <highvoltage> ogra: which question aren't i answering? i thought i did answer it at 18:03 < highvoltage> ogra: yes, it's different to breezy
[06:11] <jsgotangco> good night
[06:11] <highvoltage> night jsgotangco 
[06:11] <ogra> highvoltage, you answered
 ogra: yes, it's different to breezy. when you click on writer in OOo, it opens Writer, and when you click on Calc, it opens calc.
[06:12] <ogra> which was a bit confusing ... sure clicking writer will open writer
[06:13] <highvoltage> i can see how that could have been confusing. sorry :)
[06:17] <ogra> Petaris, please file a bug against openoffice then ... according to the maintainer (doko) its supposed to open an empty doc
[06:17] <sbartleylinux> Is there a documented way to configure an Ubuntu LTSP Server with DHCP being served from a different server on the network?
[06:18] <Petaris> ogra: Where do I file that bug at?
[06:19] <ogra> openoffice sourcepackage
[06:19] <Petaris> right, but where is the bugtracker at?
[06:19] <Petaris> :)
[06:20] <ogra> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+filebug
[06:20] <Petaris> alright
[06:20] <Petaris> will do
[06:25] <Petaris> ogra: is there a place I specify this happens in dapper?
[06:26] <ogra> just put it in the description
[06:27] <Petaris> ok
[06:34] <Petaris> posted
[07:06] <Petaris> I need to get sound up, is there anyway to run alsa locally on an ltsp client?  For example could I use LocalApps to do it?
[07:10] <Petaris> hrm
[07:11] <Petaris> http://www.mediaapplicationserver.net/indexframes.html
[07:12] <Petaris> doesn't look like its been touched since 2004 though
[07:12] <Petaris> :/
[07:21] <sTo0z> Would anyone be so kind as to point in the right direction of getting an ibook to boot to ltsp?
[07:50] <jelkner> hi all, anyone here played around with sound on edubuntu dapper?
[07:51] <jelkner> we've got sound working (thanks to nick wheeler), but it won't work easily for childsplay or gcompris
[07:52] <jelkner> those are both programs with which you really need sound
[07:52] <jelkner> sound works if we launch them with "esddsp gcompris"
[07:52] <jelkner> but not from the menu
[07:53] <jelkner> should i file a bug report?
[07:56] <Petaris> jelkner: why not just change the launcher on the menu to use esddsp
[07:56] <Spec> How do you do that for everyone at once?
[07:56] <Petaris> look for where edubuntu puts the menu
[07:58] <Petaris> in debian it is in /var/lib/ but I'm not sure where for edubuntu
[07:59] <Petaris> looks like /usr/share/menu
[08:01] <Spec> can't I just edit the .desktop files?
[08:01] <Petaris> I still can't mount my smb share :/
[08:01] <LaserJock> Spec: yes
[08:01] <Spec> although - that change wouldn't work with an upgrade
[08:02] <Spec> that could be a permanent change in the package and it'd still work
[08:02] <Spec> even for people who don't specifically use esd
[08:04] <Spec> well, is there a way to tell dpkg not to overwrite my own .desktop files in an upgrade?
[08:07] <ogra> Spec, no, it cant
[08:07] <ogra> since ubuntu doesnt use esd if possible
[08:07] <ogra> so that would break ubuntu
[08:08] <Spec> so all edubuntu packages are the same as ubuntu packages?
[08:08] <ogra> yes
[08:08] <Spec> hmm
[08:09] <Spec> well, i have a temp fix, my job is done :p
[08:09] <ogra> you can edit /usr/share/applications/gcompris.desktop
[08:09] <Spec> i have
[08:09] <ogra> that will set it systemwide 
[08:09] <Spec> but aren't those overwritten on upgrade?
[08:09] <ogra> but as you said above, wont persist on upgrades
[08:09] <ogra> i'll think about it
[08:10] <Spec> alrighty
[08:10] <Spec> thanks for the help
[08:10] <ogra> probably a wrapper script or a patch to gcompris will do, cant promise thats fixed until release though
[08:11] <Petaris> ogra: if not esd then what does edubuntu use for client sound?
[08:11] <Petaris> nasd?
[08:11] <ogra> edubuntu uses esd only
[08:11] <Petaris> please don't say artsd
[08:11] <Petaris> ahh
[08:48] <Bluekuja> JaneW: ping
[08:57] <cbx33> brb
[08:57] <pygi> Bluekuja: she isn't here at this time ussualy
[08:58] <Bluekuja> pygi:  yes, thats true :)
[08:58] <pygi> Bluekuja: bah 
[09:00] <Bluekuja> pygi: you will have to say me how you do that
[09:00] <pygi> Bluekuja: autoreplace in xchat?
[09:01] <Bluekuja> that emoticon
[09:01] <pygi> Bluekuja: well, you do it with autoreplace function in xchat 
[09:02] <cbx33> evenin all
[09:02] <Bluekuja> oo
[09:02] <Bluekuja> nice
[09:02] <Bluekuja> hi pete
[09:02] <cbx33> hi Bluekuja 
[09:02] <pygi> hi bug tracker
[09:02] <Bluekuja> how long do you will stay online?
[09:03] <cbx33> hi pygi 
[09:03] <cbx33> I will try to stay on till the meeting
[09:03] <pygi> bah, I have to stop with that =P
[09:03] <cbx33> I'll be online for an hour at least
[09:03] <cbx33> hahah
[09:03] <Bluekuja> oh okie
[09:03] <pygi> cbx33: sorry, I'll stop now 
[09:03] <cbx33> it's ok
[09:04] <cbx33> it really doesn't worry me...
[09:04] <bugTracker> hehehe
[09:04] <cbx33> Bluekuja, what I was going to say was, I really really want to support you
[09:05] <cbx33> so I was going to give a fan statement to someone so they could read it out in the meeting
[09:05] <pygi> cbx33: hehe 
[09:05] <cbx33> how does that sound
[09:05] <Bluekuja> haha
[09:05] <Bluekuja> it would be nice
[09:05] <Bluekuja> hehe
[09:05] <Bluekuja> ;)
[09:05] <cbx33> if I can;t make it that is
[09:05] <cbx33> I will try but I had a really really bad day at work today
[09:06] <cbx33> and i have to get up at 5:30 am tomorrow
[09:06] <cbx33> :S
[09:06] <Bluekuja> oh
[09:06] <Bluekuja> well, do how much you can to stay
[09:06] <cbx33> I will
[09:06] <cbx33> you know I will
[09:06] <Bluekuja> yep of course :)
[09:06] <Bluekuja> tomorrow meeting?
[09:06] <cbx33> yes
[09:06] <Bluekuja> 12 utc?
[09:06] <cbx33> I'll be there
[09:06] <Bluekuja> confirmed?
[09:07] <cbx33> my boss wants me to be there
[09:07] <cbx33> as far as I know
[09:07] <cbx33> ogra, confirmed?
[09:07] <cbx33> Bluekuja, i made some changes to the school docs
[09:07] <Bluekuja> planning page right?
[09:07] <cbx33> did you see the new planning page
[09:07] <cbx33> yeh
[09:08] <cbx33> thought it would keep the main page clear
[09:08] <cbx33> please fill in as you can :p
[09:08] <Bluekuja> yep, nice idea
[09:54] <Petaris> hrm, the cups web ui isn't letting my authenticate
[09:54] <Petaris> oh well, I guess that can wait for tomarrow
[09:54] <Petaris> later all
[10:19] <cbx33> ping ogra 
[10:21] <ogra> cbx33, yep
[10:23] <LaserJock> ogra: are you guys going to need more than 1 new EC person?
[10:23] <ogra> LaserJock, i'd like to have two 
[10:24] <ogra> to have a weight against jane and me
[10:24] <ogra> and i'd also like to have someone involved in university stuff since thats a declared future target of edubuntu since the beginning
[10:24] <LaserJock> ogra: so should I come tomorrow? I already told highvoltage he has my support :-)
[10:25] <ogra> would be nice if you could come
[10:25] <pygi> ogra: when is that meeting?
[10:25] <ogra> (i'll also write a mail after CC )
[10:25] <LaserJock> ok, its 05:00 for me but I'll sure try
[10:25] <cbx33> tomorrow 12 UTC
[10:25] <ogra> pygi as usual 12:00 UTC
[10:25] <pygi> cbx33: uh, that's no good :-/
[10:26] <LaserJock> if we have 4 people on the EC then the time zone coverage should be better as well
[10:27] <cbx33> yes
[10:27] <ogra> LaserJock, yep thats the idea
[10:28] <bugman> hi, the homepage http://www.edubuntu.org/ don't load some files (css and images) there are some problems?
[10:28] <ogra> bugman, right, thanks for pointing
[10:55] <Bluekuja> cbx33: atill there?
[10:55] <Bluekuja> nice
[10:55] <ogra> bugman, look now
[10:56] <ogra> bugman, you were just caught by the switch to the new site ;)
[10:56] <bugman> ogre, nope
[10:56] <bugman> i reload
[10:56] <bugman> ok
[10:56] <bugman> very nice
[10:57] <Bluekuja> LaserJock: pete gone?
[10:57] <LaserJock> umm, he was here not long ago
[10:57] <cbx33> I'm here
[10:57] <Bluekuja> oh
[10:57] <Bluekuja> ok
[10:57] <LaserJock> Bluekuja: don't worry, we are all here ;-)
[10:58] <Bluekuja> haha yes
[10:58] <Bluekuja> cc meeting has strange effects
[10:58] <Bluekuja> hehe
[11:56] <LaserJock> Bluekuja: way to go dude, congrats
[12:01] <bimberi> Bluekuja: yay! well done :)