=== mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #edubuntu === Cauan[AWAY] [i=Cauan@201.32.19.140] has joined #edubuntu [12:26] oi [12:26] alguem fala portugues? algum brasileiro? === bimberi [n=bimberi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.bimberi] has joined #edubuntu === superseth [n=smarinel@24-205-231-12.dhcp.snlo.ca.charter.com] has joined #edubuntu === neurogeek_ [n=neurogee@201.211.166.11] has joined #edubuntu === neurogeek [n=neurogee@200.93.35.152] has joined #edubuntu === neurogeek_ is now known as neurogeek === zakame [n=zak@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #edubuntu === sankarshan [n=sankarsh@202.149.56.110] has joined #edubuntu === HedgeMage [i=HedgeMag@freenode/staff/HedgeMage] has joined #edubuntu === zakame [n=zak@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #edubuntu === HedgeMage peeks in [04:54] hi HedgeMage [04:59] hi LaserJock [04:59] what's up? [05:00] oh, working on some bugs and trying to get a little research done on the side [05:01] cool [05:03] well, I've got to do a research presentation on Wednesday so I better get some done :-) [05:05] lol what on? [05:07] well, the short version would be that I'm trying to watch molecules in a thin layer of polymer change when I excite them with a laser [05:08] and you can do that while IRCing? :P [05:08] well, I'm actually trying to distil toluene (paint thinner) right now [05:09] lol [05:09] I'll see you in a bit, have to run out === LaserJock is now known as Laser_away === bimberi_ [n=bimberi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.bimberi] has joined #edubuntu === JaneW [n=JaneW@dsl-146-141-13.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu [08:24] back === bimberi_ is now known as bimberi === cbx33 [n=c2df514b@mail.trinsite.co.uk] has joined #edubuntu === cbx33 [n=c2df514b@mail.trinsite.co.uk] has joined #edubuntu [08:47] mornin all [08:52] hi cbx33 [08:53] hi HedgeMage === P3L|C4N0 [n=sopmac@200.106.9.122] has joined #edubuntu === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #edubuntu [10:53] ing ogra [10:54] ong cbx33 [10:54] found a few more bugs in the live cd [10:54] need to ask your opinion on some though [10:54] that nautilus bug where it doesn't show files saved on the desktop....has happened on a real machine not just a VM ware one [10:54] I've bug reported that [10:55] after restarting nautilius it shows them and continues to function as expected thereafter [10:55] i'm just looking at the khangman one [10:55] but here are my new ones, oh, I bugged the khangman one [10:55] two different icons for evolution ?? [10:55] confusing for end user... [10:56] well confused me anyway...and I'm supposed to be technical :p [10:56] that was 1) [10:56] 2) gnome-cups-manager not showing printer I just created, can't add any printer, network or local [10:56] 3) what Does Network proxy affect....? - More of a question [10:56] 4) Does dictionary use proxy on HTTP, if not useless to most UK schools [10:57] 5) Remove some of the icon themes to save space? Same with login manager ?? [10:57] 5) Remove some of the icon themes to save space? Same with login manager ?? [10:57] 6) Remove Hibernation - this one is really upsetting me [10:57] heheh [10:57] :p [10:57] that's it for the moment [10:57] tell me if you want me to bug report any of them [11:00] sorry it's a long list [11:00] I'm still testing [11:02] two icons for evolution is fine, they start two different parts of evo [11:02] ashh ok [11:02] not on first run [11:02] thats y it confused me [11:02] (one starts evo and the other starts evo --mail or something) [11:05] 2) seems to be a cups bug [11:05] 3) should affect *all* proxy settings [11:06] 3) doesn't [11:06] 4) it should [11:06] :p [11:06] 4) doesn't seem to [11:06] (if one is set indeed) [11:06] of course [11:06] if these don;t shall I bug them>? [11:06] so are you saying network proxy should set my firefox proxy? [11:06] first look for existing bugs i cant imagine there are none [11:07] iirc yes, but i have used my last proxy 2 years ago [11:07] ok [11:07] of course I will [11:08] 5,6 ? [11:08] hehe [11:09] 6) no way [11:10] 5) will have to be an argument with ubuntu, we want you to be able to easily switch between ubuntu/edubuntu [11:10] the themes belong to gnome default [11:10] so i'm not sure we should drop them [11:10] ok [11:10] 6 why? [11:10] hibernation will never work on live cd apprently [11:11] that's the response to my bug comment [11:17] I just think that people may try to use it and be dissapointed, or in my case, break the live cd from being able to boot again [11:21] oh, you talked exclusively about the liveCd [11:22] thats bugged several times [11:22] yes, sorry ogra at the mo I'm testing livecd [11:22] (didnt we talk about it around beta already ?) [11:22] thought you knew :p [11:22] we did indeed [11:22] but my comment was blown out of the water :p [11:26] not by you [11:26] by someone else on launchpad [11:36] seems some of those issues are not bugged on lp [11:36] so I will do them now === B4zzA [n=chevron_@l2-202-89-175-214.arach.net.au] has joined #edubuntu === zakame [n=zak@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #edubuntu === bimberi [n=bimberi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.bimberi] has joined #edubuntu === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #edubuntu [12:00] hi highvoltage [12:00] howz it going [12:07] ok, bugged all the ones that needed it [12:08] anything in particular you want me to test ogra? [12:08] I'm just working my way through each application at the moment [12:09] one thing I have found in some of the educational packages is there is a lack of.....how can i describe it....first help. When the application is run for the first time, it has taken me a good few minutes to work out what I have to do with the package. Wondering if this is something that can be improved upon in eft? [12:11] mhz was working on a wikipage for that once, dunno if he ever finished it [12:11] (i dont care much about improving kdeed, since my main target is to drop it :) ) [12:11] ogra: it may tie into the current schooladvocacy and support network projects I have planned [12:11] ogra: what will replace it? [12:12] nothing yet, thats why we still ship it and have an exploding CD all the time [12:12] are there things in the pipeline? [12:13] hi cbx33 [12:13] nope, i was thinking about making it a SoC spec, but i wont mentor more than one and willow is way more important [12:13] hi ogra [12:13] willow? === cbx33 is lost [12:14] highvoltage, the multiarch stuff is initially based on Yagisans patch (even there is not much left of the original code he submitted) [12:14] ogra: ok :) [12:15] and ppc clients on i386 servers only work with a trick https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation/LTSPCrossArchSetup === highvoltage looks [12:16] since the second half of ltsp-build-client needs to execute binarys in the chroot, you need a compatible CPU to build the initial chroot [12:16] ahh therein lies a problem [12:16] i see what you mean [12:16] once quemu is in a usable state we can have real multiarch, but for now you need he liveCD workaround [12:16] ogra: do you think it's completely unlikely that we'll ever have an official add-on CD? [12:17] i was just bout to suggest qemu [12:17] an add on CD would be grand [12:17] its completely unlikely we'll ever ship it, but i can imagine a add-on CD [12:17] ogra: that adds things like kde edu (in edgy) other edu games we don't have yet (like anagramarama), etc [12:18] does this mean kdeedu will be dropped in eft? [12:18] we need a solution for the space probelm in eft anyway ... [12:18] cbx33: yep. it's just too big. [12:18] one option would be a separate language CD [12:18] another would be a separate apps add-on CD [12:18] language support is probably more important than kdeedu [12:19] I'm worried about what we will replace it with [12:19] i hope you get your sponsoring for paris, so we can spec it there [12:19] since high schools / universities would all use languages, but not all kdeedu. [12:19] true [12:19] ogra: that's what i'm hoping for :) [12:19] but where are we aiming it for now? [12:19] primary/secondary/college/university? [12:19] ogra: my #1 mission for that was to convince you of an add-on cd in person. but it seems like i'm almost there on irc already ;) [12:20] i think an add-on cd would be excellent === cbx33 would love to make it to Paris [12:20] not sure I'll be able to though === cbx33 is now wondering if half the docs for the schools advocacy will be relevant in 6 months :S [12:22] cbx33, thats a longstanding problem even ubuntu has :) [12:22] the drawback of a 6 month release cycle [12:22] :) [12:22] yeh indeed, [12:22] but removal of kdeedu is a big thing [12:23] ask the people who write printed books ;) [12:23] hallf the schools docs is about kdeedu :p [12:23] what is going to be our distinguishing feature against ubuntu [12:24] ltsp by default is still our most distinguishing feature [12:24] yeh === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-249-194.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu [12:26] JaneW: hi, you around? [12:26] pygi: hi, yes [12:27] JaneW: got my mail / thoughts? [12:28] still working through my mail (460 new messages when I got in) will respond as soon as I get there [12:28] I was off yesterday [12:29] JaneW: joy good luck with all the messages [12:29] hi JaneW [12:29] hi bug tracker === ogra has twice as much if he is one day off [12:30] hi pygi [12:30] ogra: cos you are more popular than me :) [12:30] and thanks to the silly SoC ML even 50 more [12:30] ogra: hehe [12:30] JaneW: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuSchoolAdvocacy - I was talking to highvoltage about this getting printed and sent out to schools, he said to put it to you :p [12:31] there are some printed page mockups to show what it could/would look like below [12:31] cbx33: hi, I'll take a look, but it will be up to sabdfl and silbs (ogra and I can only motivate) [12:32] yes [12:32] we should have a prinatble pdf, so schools can print it themselves [12:32] (at least) [12:32] yes [12:33] i'm working on it [12:33] :) [12:33] looking at collaborating this with the ubuntu-doc team [12:34] LaserJock suggested we talk to them [12:34] I'm gonna start a DoCBook conversion on thursday [12:34] that's the deadline I've set for inclusion of new material [12:34] talk to ya all later [12:34] bye pygi [12:36] I'm hpoing then to start the conversions and pdfs [12:45] hi all [12:45] hi zakame [12:46] hello cbx33 [12:56] anyone want to offer me a job...I can't take it here much longer [12:56] :S :( [12:56] having a pig awful day, and just want to sit back and work on edubuntu [12:56] cbx33, i'd happily give you one if i could, really [12:57] thankx ogra it's a great boost to hear you say that..... [12:57] grrrrr.........................................................damn education [12:57] I'm having issues with my colleague [12:57] think IU'm going to have to have a chat [12:57] I'm his boss [12:57] and i keep getting flak for mistakes i didn;t make [12:58] [12:58] ogra: ping, I'd like to help on the SoC bounty for willow packaging :) [12:59] zakame, thats Amarath's SoC project (he approached me with it) [12:59] oh, [12:59] he's doing it now? [01:00] what's willow packaging? [01:00] i'm not sure its possible to work in a team on a SoC project [01:00] link me [01:00] :p [01:00] http://www.digitallumber.com/software/willow/ [01:00] zakame, it was his idea to do it [01:01] looks good [01:01] ah, ok then ;D how about the simple-prog-app? what does it need? [01:01] what about some small educational apps [01:01] :p [01:01] smaller than kdeedu hahahahah [01:02] zakame, i was refusing to mentor any SoC stuff at all (last time wasnt very fruitful imho), but he convinced me to mentor him if he does the willow stuff [01:02] whats the "simple-prog-app" ?? [01:02] awww aren;t you kind ogra === cbx33 would love ogra as a mentor :p [01:04] cbx33, i'm not very good in mentoring ... [01:04] someone posted it on the edubuntu soc projects in the wiki... I'm not sure how viable it is, since it basically is just a request for a newer, perhaps simpler IDE for python or thereabouts [01:04] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/simple-prog-app [01:05] ogra: you mentor me fine [01:05] zakame, heh, sounds like squeak implemented in python :) [01:05] even if you don;t know you're doing it [01:05] cbx33, yes, but thats different [01:05] ogra: then again, it reminds me of something... remember LOGO? =) [01:05] yep [01:06] same ... [01:06] with that turtle robot [01:06] ? [01:06] even though you don;t have time etc etc, I'd give a limb to have you as a mentor ogra :p [01:06] ogra: I'm hoping to sort out AD authentication [01:06] cbx33: NetworkAuthentication? [01:06] yes against Active Directory [01:06] yep, thats adressed since quite some time with NetworkAuthentication [01:07] yes [01:07] it just needs someone to work on it (if there isnt already) [01:07] i think Mithrandir was about to do it in eft === cbx33 will talk to Mithrandir about it then [01:08] i'll be happy to test etc [01:08] seems like that's all i'm capable of doing at the mo....testing breaking and a bit of documenting [01:08] indeed, I'm interested on tackling that too, but I don't know much about AD and stuff :/ === cbx33 goes off to sulk [01:08] AD is a pig [01:09] kerberos makes it a little more difficult [01:09] chauvinist? [01:09] hehehe [01:10] it's a mircosoft chauvinist pig [01:15] any now my lunch tastes funny [01:15] :( [01:17] ogra: still think it's worth continuing with doccing all the kdeedu apps in the school advocacy docs? [01:17] dapper will be supported for at least 3 years, so i think its worth it [01:19] ogra: but you're my ubuntu mentor :) [01:19] highvoltage, as i said, mentoring like we do here is different to SoC mentoring [01:19] indeed it is === cbx33 would love to do a project on SoC [01:20] but I'd need the support [01:20] SoC mentoring requres a bunch of paperwork, and additional time i put into it [01:21] ah. === cbx33 has some great mentors in here [01:22] cbx33: i think having a single page with all the apps described briefly with a screenshot is great [01:22] thank you highvoltage ogra [01:22] cbx33: :) [01:22] bimberi: thank you - we're going to have it as a printable pdf soon [01:22] (infeasable for a pamphlet of course) [01:23] bimberi: not entirely [01:23] (but not for a booklet :P) [01:23] I'm just cautious now of promoting edubuntu with kdeedu being a big part of it [01:23] it kdeedu isn't going to be in the next release [01:23] bimberi: i see [01:30] highvoltage: i did some more editingslightly to the docs [01:31] cbx33: i suggest you go ahead with the kde edu stuff [01:31] ok [01:31] cbx33: edgy is still 6 months away, we can just do some updating before then [01:32] cbx33: kde edu is still a big part of the dapper releaes [01:32] yup [01:32] i just feel a bit like false advertising [01:33] but then [01:33] i suppose it's like that for all produects [01:34] nah, it's not false advertising :) [01:34] cos hehe === |Terje| [n=Terje@ws42245.studby.hig.no] has joined #edubuntu [01:34] heheh [01:34] my brain is mush today [01:34] it's EC tomorrow right? [01:35] yep [01:35] and new member approval [01:36] we require presentations for EC right? [01:37] the process on the CC is that you have your wikipage set up and prepare a 3 liner to paste into the IRC channel - not sure what the EC members want though :) [01:37] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewMemberHowto [01:38] actually i guess it would be ECC - Edubuntu Community Council [01:40] lets just call it edubuntu council :) [01:40] EC :D [01:40] yeo [01:40] yes sir :) [01:40] err [01:40] yep === guim [n=glederer@104.241-200-80.adsl-fix.skynet.be] has joined #edubuntu [01:44] so ogra I need to prepare a presentation? [01:45] cbx33, a short introduction about yourself (three lines) [01:45] and make sure your wikipage will list all your contributions [01:46] i think it does [01:46] additionally your targets with your ubuntu/edubuntu work and what you like to see us going towards in the future ... [01:46] in 3 lines [01:46] and how ou think you can help with your work to achieve that [01:47] the three lines are just an introduction about yourself [01:47] I'll repeat in 3 lines [01:47] are ok [01:47] got an example? [01:47] the rest will be asked in the interview following [01:47] grab a log from a CC meeting [01:47] ok [01:47] nice idea [01:47] our process wont differ much [01:47] ok [01:48] cbx33: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs === Ibalon [n=zak@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #edubuntu === cbx33 reads bimberi's joining [01:50] cbx33: don't - i was crap :P [01:50] ... and probably only got in because the council wanted to get the meeting finished :) [01:51] ... and mako (the hard man) wasn't there === bimberi wonders who will play the mako role in the EC === cbx33 thinks ogra :p [01:51] hehehe [01:51] he's a hard man :p [01:51] bimberi, you mean being absent all the time ? [01:52] lol [01:52] no - it seems whenever someone gets knocked back it's mako who does the letting down === Ibalon is now known as zakame === cbx33 prepares his intro === Draigh [n=gealfaol@145.116.10.189] has joined #edubuntu [02:15] ogra, you there? [02:15] yep [02:16] good.. I installed Ubuntu and have been checking the (horrid) educational software... [02:16] whats horrid about it ? [02:16] Ready to make a complete design for it. But what language has the most preference? Hiddenwolf talked about Python? [02:17] These are not games, well most of them aren't. And they are boring. I have done some research for a schoolproject in this area. [02:18] Children will not be enjoying themselves with this.. They may use it, when they need to.. But thats totally it. [02:18] It will not teach children voluntairily. Only when an adult is standing there to urge them. [02:21] yeah, python is the easiest if we want to include it in the default install [02:22] good, then i'll learn python [02:22] i guess you have looked at gcompris and childsplay [02:22] I looked at these: http://edu.kde.org/ [02:23] might be theyx are boring :) but they are famous among educators [02:26] maybe true.. But if these are the only ones, then there isnt much choice.. is there.. 8) [02:26] exactly [02:26] we'd like to have replacements for them .... [02:26] so.. on what game shall I work on then? [02:26] which topic? [02:26] :) [02:31] Draigh: where do we begin [02:31] :p [02:31] Draigh: I want t olearn puython too [02:31] so i can contribute in that way [02:32] <|Terje|> Hi, if you are interested in a DaisyPlayer for Linux, come visit our website: http://developer.skolelinux.no/info/studentgrupper/2006-hig-daisyplayer/ [02:33] I can learn computerlanguages easily, when I need to :) [02:33] me too [02:33] I've programmed in over 15 of various levels [02:40] cbx33, you are going to be a mentor or something? [02:40] (sorry, got a phonecall over here) [02:40] no no no [02:40] I do php mainly [02:40] wich isn;t of much use to a project like edubuntu [02:40] not really no :) [02:41] we could learn python together [02:41] ogra: could be our mentor :p [02:41] hahahahah [02:41] :) === cbx33 waits for the reply from ogra [02:41] :p [02:42] I mostly want to know how I can join the Summer of Code project with this edu-game proposition [02:42] ah isee [02:42] you'll need a mentor for it [02:43] hehehe [02:44] and it must be listed as SoC project indeed [02:45] how to do those two things? [02:45] heheh [02:45] how much experience is needed for the SoC project [02:45] i mean if you were looking to do a python project [02:45] is the purpose of it to teach someone how to do it with a mentor === zakame wants to learn python [02:45] or just to have the mentor help out when there's an issue [02:47] the mentor has to do weekly reviews of your work, teach you the missing bits you need (i.e. packaging etc) [02:48] has to write weekly reports to google ... [02:48] And where can I find a mentor? [02:48] its an awful lot of work [02:49] hehe [02:49] Draigh, JaneW is our SoC mistress === cbx33 will talk to SoC [02:49] *salute* [02:49] hi JaneW [02:49] So I need to harass her about it? :P === JaneW arrives (with whip - just in case) [02:49] :) [02:50] what can I do for you? [02:50] w00t [02:50] i think JaneW misunderstood the word mistress [02:50] (and if you mailed me I am working through my mail flood) [02:50] cbx33, not at all :) [02:50] cbx33: not at all ;) [02:50] snap [02:50] I want to join the SoC with an edutainment program for edubuntu [02:50] lol [02:50] that's scary [02:50] IRC jinx === Draigh looks slightly pale at whip [02:51] well ogra and I are merging into a single auto-bot [02:51] or mega-bot [02:51] hehe [02:51] Draigh: join? as a mentor or student? [02:51] student [02:51] speaking of which where is edubuntugirl? [02:52] highvoltage took her home [02:52] Draigh: oic, and you want to propose your own project too? === cbx33 wants the mega-bot to be his mentor [02:52] ogra: that's scarey! [02:52] :) [02:52] I want to go into the games development after my studies. This project would fill my school-portfolio [02:53] Draigh: you would need to list your idea here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GoogleSoC2006 [02:53] and then preferable create a full spec in the wiki too and create a launchpad listing too (I can help you with that part if you need it) [02:53] then you'd need to apply for that project through the Google SoC application process [02:53] please yes, do I need to sign up somewhere? [02:54] Draigh: here's an example: LP registration https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/samba-config-gui , wiki page spec: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GUISambaConfigSpec === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu [02:55] and it;s listed on the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GoogleSoC2006 page as 6.9 [02:55] hi guys [02:55] ogra: let's merge :) [02:55] oh ogra did my man pages go in yet? [02:56] Draigh: I can't see the student sign-up page (as a mentor and admin) but I imagine it's listed off http://code.google.com/soc/ and be sure to read the student FAQ [02:56] jsgotangco: sounds like you are propositioning ogra! [02:56] lol [02:56] I have signed up as a student already, that isnt the problem :P [02:57] JaneW: i'm done with the Yelp page and firefox startpage so :P [02:57] Draigh: so you'll need to create the project and then apply for it [02:57] jsgotangco: YAY === ogra_ [n=ogra@p548AF5A6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu [02:57] err [02:58] two ogras [02:58] w00t [02:58] JaneW: i got your email btw, thanks [02:58] dang it ogra [02:58] so yeah, we could upload now [02:59]