[12:25] <Riddell> \sh: and now I can't recreate the crash that you fixed :(
[12:25] <Riddell> \sh: what is it about your patch that fixes it?
[12:25] <Riddell> it gives nice stripy boxes if nothing else of course
[12:30] <\sh> ok...short explanation
[12:30] <\sh> for choice in sorted(self.language_choice_map): caused the crash somehow
[12:30] <\sh> because language_choice_map is a dict and the value is an array
[12:31] <\sh> see component/language.py where this callback is called :)
[12:31] <\sh> choice in this case points to an array, which first item is a string somehow...so it was luck that it displayed an utf-8 string
[12:32] <\sh> I made now this: for key,value in self.language_choice_map.items():
[12:32] <\sh> which grabs the key, which is a unicode language indentifier...and this goes into the list...and looks now like this:http://linux.blogweb.de/uploads/ubiquity-language-selection.png
[12:33] <\sh> I produced with the next click another crash...but for this I have to dig deeper into the code
[12:53] <\sh> another cigarette and then "good night world...\sh has to sleep"
[12:58] <Riddell> night \sh, thanks for the fix
[12:58] <\sh> Riddell: question is, couldn't you reproduce the fix before or after the latest X updates?
[12:58] <sebas> That sounds really really wrong :)
[12:59] <Riddell> \sh: I've not done any recent X updates
[12:59] <\sh> Riddell: strange...me neither, and I have this crash all the time :)
[12:59] <\sh> sebas: what sounds wrong? :)
[01:00] <Riddell> \sh: oh I had it before, I just don't have it today.  bugs like to do that
[01:00] <\sh> Riddell: ok...then I'm happy that I can reproduce this strange behaviour :)
[01:01] <\sh> but I'm really looking into a better way to test this installer...livecd building at my place, qemu on amd64 and remote X display is really not nice 
[01:03] <Riddell> \sh: I use my minimac and I don't have anything on it I care about
[01:03] <\sh> and later today I'll send you the fixed packages for sip/pyqt/pykde and you can decide if it's worth to go the UVF way :)
[01:04] <sebas> \sh: Riddell thanking for the "fix" :)
[01:04] <sebas> If you pull it out of the context, that is (which I did, of course :-)).
[01:04] <\sh> sebas: now I got it ;)
[01:05] <sebas> Ok :)
[01:05] <\sh> Riddell: well, when everything is setteled at my place here, moneywise, I'll think I will buy an apple intel powerbook...what I saw is really really nice, and it can run kubuntu on it...
[01:07] <sebas> And the core duo is really fast :)
[01:08] <\sh> actually, what's really funny, a kubuntu live cd in the emulator is faster then it's on this r200 laptop ;)
[01:09] <\sh> and you can play WoW as native mac os x app ;)
[01:10] <\sh> ok..going to bed..good night folks
[01:10] <kwwii> \sh: the cards themselves are not printed, but Julius has the plastic things and the pins, etc. as well as a color printer, so we will make them on-site
[01:11] <kwwii> oops
[01:11] <kwwii> too late
[01:11] <kwwii> oh well
[01:11] <kwwii> sleep well
[01:49] <Riddell> hi Mez 
[02:56] <Riddell> Tonio_: bug 35995 has quite a few comments
[02:56] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 35995 in kdebase kdebase-kio-plugins "kio_tar and kio_zip not used automatically" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/35995
[02:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: reading
[03:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: those kparts are hidden in the konqueror's associations preference
[03:02] <Tonio_>  /usr/share/services/ark_part.desktop -> hidden=true activated
[03:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: seems it could be interesting changing this to allow people coming back to default config easier don't you think ?
[03:02] <Tonio_> s/default/original
[03:03] <Riddell> yes
[03:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: I think we removed that for a good reason, but it is to complicated for users to change this if they want...
[03:05] <Tonio_> Riddell: need to sleep now, but I'll look carefully tomorrow to try to find the right way to manage this
[03:05] <Tonio_> Riddell: good night :)
[03:16] <Riddell> pradeepto: pastebin?
[03:36] <Riddell> Sime: new systemsettings looking lovely, uploaded
[09:26] <abattoir> Are there any Summer of Code mentors here ?
[09:26] <abattoir> for Kubuntu
[11:03] <allee> raphink: ping
[11:03] <raphink> pong
[11:04] <allee> hi
[11:04] <raphink> hi allee
[11:04] <raphink> you going to LT?
[11:04] <allee> raphink: you added a patch from svn to digikam.  I will soon ask for UVF of new upstream release ...
[11:04] <raphink> ok
[11:04] <raphink> I'm afraid it'll be too late
[11:04] <allee> raphink: is it only to just ask for a debian sync (aka you changelog entry will be lost)
[11:04] <raphink> for UVFer
[11:05] <allee> even with ~ dozend bugs fixed (+ one minor feature?)
[11:05] <raphink> well
[11:05] <raphink> you can ask
[11:05] <raphink> if it's accepted I'll upload 
[11:05] <raphink> I don't mind losing a changelog, what matters is functionality
[11:05] <raphink> has the gallery2 fix been forwarded ?
[11:06] <allee> raphink: kipi-plugins will hopefully see a rc2 release too.  Ton of bugs fixed.  I'll use this at least for debian
[11:07] <allee> I'll try a UVF too, but I've to wait for Angelo to do the release
[11:08] <allee> digikam & kipi* release is not fit Kubuntu release dates well :(
[12:07] <Riddell> abattoir: yes, me
[12:27] <Sime> Riddell: about systemsettngs. Everyone should be on the look out for regressions w.r.t. buttons in systemsettngs. (e.g. modules getting wrong or different buttons than before).
[12:44] <LeeJunFan> it seems arts has picked up a nasty eating disorder.
[12:44] <LeeJunFan> It's engorging itself with RAM.
[12:59] <kmon> does kubuntu ship with a dictionary app?
[01:20] <kmon> Riddell: what kind of regressions?
[01:29] <Riddell> things not working :)
[01:29] <Riddell> kmon: konqueror is our dictionary app
[01:30] <kmon> Riddell: how do you use it?
[01:30] <Riddell> launch konqueror, go to www.dictionary.com, type in word, voila
[01:31] <kmon> hehe
[01:31] <kmon> ok
[01:31] <\sh> http://dict.leo.org/frde?lp=frde&search=voila is more easy
[01:32] <\sh> and then via leo:da ;)
[01:33] <\sh> leo should create an english french dictionary 
[01:55] <Hobbsee> anyone around?
[01:55] <Hobbsee> maybe Riddell?
[02:01] <Riddell> Hobbsee: hi
[02:02] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i just got http://pastebin.com/693938 - what will it mean for kubuntu?
[02:03] <Hobbsee> Riddell: particularly in AU, these are critical sites that must be accessed - no matter how strong the encryption of them may be.  could well be worth thinking about and patching.
[02:03] <abattoir> Any Summer of Code Mentors around ;) ?
[02:03] <Hobbsee> although, i *am* wondering about comm bank...they *surely* should know better!  they are a bank, after all!
[02:04] <Hobbsee> abattoir: sorry, no, i'm not one
[02:05] <abattoir> Hobbsee: :)
[02:06] <abattoir> was just wondering if i need to show my app to a mentor before applying...
[02:06] <abattoir> because many orgs. seem to suggest that...
[02:07] <Hobbsee> abattoir: i dont know about needing to - but it's probably a good idea.  what were you going to do?
[02:07] <abattoir> the OEM installer... never mind, just clicked SUBMIT
[02:08] <Hobbsee> ooh fun :)
[02:10] <Riddell> abattoir: yes, me
[02:10] <Riddell> Hobbsee: got an example URL?
[02:10] <Hobbsee> of the https issue?
[02:10] <Riddell> yes
[02:10] <Hobbsee> grabbing one
[02:10] <abattoir> Riddell: Omg, stupid me... should have waited longer...
[02:11] <abattoir> ok, anyways you'll have a look at it ;) 
[02:11] <Hobbsee> Riddell: https://www3.netbank.commbank.com.au/netbank/bankmain
[02:11] <Hobbsee> i'd say...
[02:12] <Hobbsee> Riddell: https://secure.centrelink.gov.au/web.forte is probably the other one that they're mentioning
[02:12] <Riddell> abattoir: you just submitted an application for a Kubuntu OEM installer?
[02:12] <abattoir> yes...
[02:12] <Riddell> abattoir: excellent, I'd love to see that happen
[02:12] <Hobbsee> i dont have logins for either site (wouldnt mind having one for centrelink - that means money!) - but i'm quite sure those are the ones listed in the email
[02:12] <Riddell> abattoir: got any pykde experience?
[02:12] <abattoir> yup
[02:13] <abattoir> not very extensive... but i know the goods...
[02:13] <abattoir> eager and willing to learn too :)
[02:13] <Riddell> abattoir: cool.  I've no idea how the selection process will work but I'd definately like to see an OEM installer happen
[02:13] <abattoir> have sent some mockups too
[02:13] <abattoir> you want links now?
[02:13] <Riddell> sure
[02:13] <sebas> Riddell: From guessing, sime and me could probably mentor soc guidance modules.
[02:14] <abattoir> Riddell: http://abattoir.4t.com/Images/hrika.png 
[02:14] <abattoir> that's the config. tool
[02:15] <abattoir> http://abattoir.4t.com/Images/hlada.png
[02:15] <abattoir> this one is the welcome screen... for the user
[02:15] <Riddell> abattoir: have you seen the ubuntu gtk OEM installer?
[02:15] <abattoir> no
[02:15] <Riddell> me neither :)
[02:16] <abattoir> i probably should have come in earlier and discussed... before sending in my app :(
[02:16] <abattoir> Probably would have got more ideas..
[02:16] <Riddell> you should probably take a look at that when you have a spare hour and hard disk, that would be the starting point
[02:17] <abattoir> ok... i am searching for it...
[02:17] <Riddell> use the text install CD and choose OEM Install when it first boots
[02:18] <abattoir> oh... it works that way...
[02:18] <Riddell> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UbuntuDownUnder/BOFs/OEMInstaller
[02:18] <Riddell> if you want to write a better description of it than that wiki page I'm sure that would be most welcome
[02:19] <abattoir> I have thought of a method where the OEM has a GUI tool in KDE which configures and makes images
[02:19] <Hobbsee> hehe..i offered dad a kubuntu cd when his windows went kaput...he didnt accept it though :P :(
[02:20] <abattoir> Riddell: so is my approach wrong?
[02:21] <Riddell> abattoir: only in that you havn't already looked at the gtk OEM installer.  I havn't either, so for all I know you're exactly right :)
[02:22] <abattoir> ok... I am downloading the ISO...
[02:23] <abattoir> Riddell:only the Ubuntu ISO has it right?
[02:23] <Riddell> yes
[02:23] <Riddell> text install one
[02:26] <abattoir> Riddell: and the "Welcome Screen" that's fine right?..... or should i wait till you see my application properly ;) ?
[02:28] <Riddell> abattoir: which one?
[02:29] <abattoir> the second link... :) 
[02:32] <Hobbsee> Riddell: please excuse the  ignorance, but what does w.r.t. stand for?
[02:33] <abattoir> Hobbsee: with respect to
[02:33] <Hobbsee> oh, gotcha - so, as in, whether the admin buttons work or not?
[02:35] <Hobbsee> hmm...like the one being mentioned in #kubuntu at the moment.
[02:35] <Riddell> abattoir: I don't know if your welcome screen is any good since I've not seen the gtk one so I don't really know the required functionality
[02:36] <abattoir> Riddell: should we do exactly what they do ;) ? :) 
[02:40] <Riddell> abattoir: to start with yes, but once it's working to the same level it can do whatever we want
[02:41] <abattoir> ok, thanks
[02:42] <Riddell> abattoir: do you know when the summer of code coding starts?
[02:42] <abattoir> Applications started yesterday... till 8th..
[02:42] <abattoir> last date for results to be announced is 22 May...
[02:42] <abattoir> so i guess anytime after that...
[02:43] <Riddell> groovy, well hang around the channel and I'll do what I can to get your application at the top of our list :)
[02:44] <abattoir> http://code.google.com/soc/studentfaq.html#42
[02:44] <abattoir> Riddell: wow, that'd be sweet :)
[02:44] <abattoir> thanks
[02:44] <mornfall> oh, SoC
[03:30] <Riddell> hello morgs 
[03:31] <freeflying-ibook> Riddell: hey
[03:31] <Riddell> hi freeflying-ibook 
[05:13] <pradeepto> was kerry available for breezy?
[05:14] <pradeepto> Riddell:   was kerry available for breezy?
[05:14] <Riddell> pradeepto: no
[05:15] <pradeepto> thanks
[05:15] <Riddell> it was only relesaed around february
[05:15] <Riddell> sebas: nice chinchiila cage, our one is much smaller
[05:15] <pradeepto> it will be really difficult to break it to that poory guy,
[05:46] <Riddell> freeflying-ibook: I need to get skim working on this amd64 now
[05:46] <Riddell> LANG is set to en_GB.UTF-8
[05:46] <Riddell> what do I need to do?
[05:59] <\sh> re
[06:22] <Riddell> scim (gtk frontend) seems to break things lots
[06:24] <Riddell>  hmm
[06:24] <\sh> whatever ;)
[06:24] <Riddell> but skim seems to be working
[06:24] <Riddell> except on openoffice, hmm
[06:25] <\sh> back to ascii...
[06:58] <Riddell> oh no, amarok 1.4 is in two weeks.  we need to find a good excuse for it not to go into dapper
[07:00] <\sh> Riddell: sounds like fun like the last time with breezy and my decision :)
[07:01] <OculusAquilae> Riddell: what about making the kcontrol modules of kwin-style-crystal and gtk2-engines-gtk-qt translatable via rosetta?
[07:25] <jjesse> hmm adept-updater didn't show there were updates avialable to day but apt-update and apt-get dist-upgrade did
[07:27] <mornfall> jjesse: if you mean notifier (not updater), then it's probably because it only checks once a day
[07:27] <mornfall> using cron
[07:27] <jjesse> notifier i meant, if your computer is off when it is scheduled it will check first startup correct?
[07:36] <mornfall> jjesse: no idea, that's what ubuntu takes care of not me
[07:47] <Tonio_> hey
[07:49] <Tonio_> \sh: hey
[07:51] <\sh> re
[07:51] <Tonio_> \sh: uploading latest knetworkmanager :)
[07:51] <Tonio_> uvfe got approved today
[07:51] <\sh> Tonio_: cool :)
[07:52] <Tonio_> \sh: bad news for you, concerning the section, that'll be internet for the moment
[07:52] <\sh> Tonio_: well, if it's considered for edgy then it's ok
[07:53] <Tonio_> \sh: I think we can redicuss the menus for edgy, yes
[09:51] <Lure> Tonio_: UVFe was fast... I hope mine for powersave will be too ... ;-)
[09:51] <Tonio_> Lure: hehe ;)
[09:51] <Tonio_> Lure: can you give me feedback about bug 42027
[09:51] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 42027 in knetworkmanager "Frequency/Bandwidth is ZERO/Unknown" [Minor,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/42027
[09:52] <Lure> Tonio_: frequency iz reported as 0 GHz, while Bandwidth is Unknown (i386, ipw2200)
[09:53] <Lure> I think that Bandwidth fix is working, while frequency does not - we need to check what is supposed to do
[09:53] <Tonio_> Lure: ok
[09:53] <Lure> Seen Timo's plans with 0.1?
[09:53] <marseillai> will try now but it seems i don't have this problem with the same config
[09:54] <\sh> ok...cu later at linuxtag 
[09:55] <\sh> good night :)
[09:56] <Tonio_> Lure: that ressembles to a networkmanager bug
[09:56] <Tonio_> not a knetworkmanager one :)
[09:56] <Tonio_> it is just a frontend
[09:57] <Tonio_> Lure: yes I saw, hope we could uvfe this one too ;)
[09:57] <Lure> Tonio_: true, but knm should display Unknown (or hide) if value is not probvided by n-m (and I think that what recent fixes were supposed to do)
[09:58] <Tonio_> Lure: what does nm-applet ?
[09:58] <Tonio_> same issue or not ?
[09:58] <Lure> Not sure - do not have nm-applet installed for almost a month ;-)
[09:58] <Tonio_> Lure: hehe
[09:59] <Lure> Tonio_: I am more concerned about this empty ESSID on startup issue - I hope Timo can nail this down for 0.1 (this will aslo be good excuse for UVFe)
[10:00] <Tonio_> Lure: yes
[10:01] <Lure> I have neglected this bug a bit as n-m had opened ESSID related issues, but now that those were closed, I know it is knm specific
[10:05] <Tonio_> Lure: certainly linked to kwallet in somme way
[10:06] <Lure> Tonio_: is ftp account on your repo supposed to work still?
[10:06] <Lure> I would like to upload powersave there first
[10:07] <marseillai> Lure: could you just tell me quickly what sort of improvment bring new powersave ?
[10:07] <Tonio_> Lure: assume yes but I had big issues with my ftp this we, since I updated my debian server and proftpd-mysql was broken
[10:07] <Tonio_> doesn't it work ?
[10:07] <Lure> marseillai: just bugfixes...
[10:07] <marseillai> oki
[10:07] <Lure> Tonio_: I get in, but no folders displayed (cannot browse with konqueror)
[10:07] <Tonio_> Lure: let me correct this :)
[10:07] <Tonio_> this is due to security restrictions ;)
[10:08] <Tonio_> Lure: refresh, that should be okay
[10:09] <Lure> Tonio_: ok now - thanks
[10:09] <Tonio_> I had to rewrite the full config, and since I have a quite complicated configuration for proftpd, I missed some accounts
[10:38] <Lure> Sime: latest guidence properly displays driver (was vesa before) on ATI FireGL V5000
[10:39] <Sime> Lure: cool
[10:39] <Sime> Tonio_: is guidance working better for you now? (0.6.6 just hit the repos. )
[10:41] <Tonio_> Sime: testing :)
[10:42] <Tonio_> Sime: AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
[10:42] <Tonio_> I can click this f**ing proprietary button :)
[10:43] <Tonio_> Sime: as promissed, I'll leave you in peace now :)
[10:43] <Tonio_> Sime: did you touch systemsettings too ? the window size is much better managed
[10:43] <Tonio_> looks like very mature now
[10:46] <marseillai> 8
[10:52] <Tonio_> Sime: everything looks just like perfect for me concerning both systemsettings and the display module :)
[11:00] <Lure> Tonio_: I am no CC meeting (starts in couple of minutes) if you want to support me
[11:00] <Tonio_> Lure: sure !!
[11:00] <Tonio_> Lure: membership ?
[11:00] <Lure> yes
[11:01] <Tonio_> Lure: sure I'll be there
[11:45] <superstoned> http://www.apple.com/getamac/ads/ :D
[11:45] <superstoned> funny