=== bpuccio [n=brian@ool-457a9c38.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:07] Kamion: oh ok [12:11] Kamion: I installed breezy at a friend's recently. He has two harddisks, and it put grub in the wrong mbr. Switching the hdd order in bios brought grub forth, correctly detecting all OS's [12:12] Kamion: would that be solvable? === dborg` [n=daniel@e182048012.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:18] Kamion: How comfortable do you feel, on a scale of 1 to 100, with granting UVF exceptions for apache2? [12:24] HiddenWolf: not easily [12:24] HiddenWolf: all such grub problems suck [12:24] infinity: is "off to bed now, sorry" on that scale? :) [12:27] Kamion: No, damnit. :) [12:27] Kamion: Say "hi" to your pillow for me. [12:27] infinity: probably about 60, though [12:28] night folks, flying visit while dealing with my huge pile of bugmal [12:28] bugmail [12:28] mdz: Around? === bpuccio [n=brian@ool-457a9c38.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel === \sh__ [n=shermann@xdsl-81-173-252-102.netcologne.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:40] infinity: yes === shackan [n=shackan@85-18-14-13.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:46] mdz: Care to look at the apache2 changelog and let me convince you to give me a UVF exception? [12:46] mdz: http://www.apache.org/dist/httpd/CHANGES_2.0 (We're at 2.0.55 ... .56/.57/.58 were all rolled into one release, hence skipping two) [12:47] Points to note: They've fixed some bugs I've had on my plate for a while (yay), they didn't break module ABI (yay again), and despite the 3 version bumps, it doesn't look that scary to me. [12:52] the two skipped versions were mostly just minor problems found too late to re-roll, if memory serves [12:55] (56->57 was rerolled to pick up a fix for expect headers, 57->58 was because 57 missed a version number bump in a header) === dredg [n=niall@cpc2-tall3-5-0-cust138.dbln.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Fjodor [n=sune@0x55510b65.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === KOnsumer [n=KOnsumer@drsd-d9b843bc.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tritium [n=tritium@ubuntu/member/tritium] has joined #ubuntu-devel === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shackan [n=shackan@85-18-14-13.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Fjodor [n=sune@0x55510b65.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:49] infinity: looks fine === Mez [i=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:52] mdz: Danke. === bluetoad [n=ubuntu@b326E.static.pacific.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shackan_ [n=shackan@85-18-14-13.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel === KOnsi [n=KOnsumer@drsd-d9b843ad.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AlinuxOS [n=AlinuxOS@d83-176-122-159.cust.tele2.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mjg59 [n=mjg59@217.147.92.49] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:12] Howdy peoples [02:13] mdz: Similar question, but for MySQL 5.0.21... 5.0.20 contained a mess of useful bugfixes and one accidental backward-compat breakage, 5.0.20a fixed the backward-compat issue, and 5.0.21 includes more bugfixes, and two security fixes. [02:13] mdz: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/news-5-0-x.html for full changelogs. [02:13] mdz: (Yes, I know it says 5.0.21 is "not yet released", but the docs seem to be lagging the tarballs. :) [02:14] infinity: is that the backward-compatibility bug we rebuilt everything to fix? [02:14] renamed the library and &, even [02:14] mdz: No, no. They just broken the CLI usage for the client app by accident. [02:14] (option parsing) [02:14] The library change is sticking. :) [02:15] oh [02:15] s/broken/broke/ [02:15] The library change wasn't a backward-compat issue from their POV, only from ours. [02:16] (since they went from unversioned symbols to versioned symbols, they were fine, we just got broken by going from one version tag to another) === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:17] heylo [02:30] infinity: mysql 5.0.21 looks good [02:34] Kamion: re #38111 you said "try tomorrow's daily build and let me know if it still [02:34] doesn't work" ... there has been no new mini.iso since April 23 === FunnyLookinHat [n=FunnyLoo@71.57.11.218] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zakame [n=zak@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman is now known as GmanAFK === j_ack [n=nico@p508DB622.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sfeehan [n=sfeehan@pool-71-254-4-163.burl.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tritium [n=tritium@ubuntu/member/tritium] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:35] infinity: if you're around, could you check if python2.3-xml got into the NEW queue? I didn't get any mail about it === Kyral [n=kyral@HyperDream.hamlin.clarkson.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zakame [n=zak@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-devel === welshbyte [n=welshbyt@cpc3-cwma2-0-0-cust276.swan.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.2.166.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dark [i=deviled_@microsoft.gotrooted.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === baconbacon [n=bacon@modemcable020.207-130-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jlj [n=agp@h460c35f8.area2.spcsdns.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:08] ajmitch: If it were NEW, you'd have mail about it. [05:08] ajmitch: It's failed (should be rejected, but this is a longstanding LP bug) due to this: [05:08] python2.3-xml (0.8.4-1ubuntu4) unstable; urgency=low [05:11] of course, stupid me === poningru [n=poningru@ip68-226-0-76.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:38] anyone here who takes care of mozilla-thunderbird? [05:40] update-mozilla-thunderbird-chrome seems to be buggy [05:40] but I'm not sure [05:40] :-P [05:41] Don't use it. It'll be removed in the next upload. [05:41] (It's not buggy, so much as completely obsolete) === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:43] hmm [05:44] there are packages in universe that currently use that, though. [05:45] infinity, what should these packages use now? [05:46] I'm trying to update enigmail-locales [05:47] Nothing, ideally. They should just install their chrome and let it be. === Kyral [n=kyral@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:47] Check enigmail itself, to see what it does. [05:47] oh I could check what mozilla-thunderbird-typeaheadfind does === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-devel === soumyadip [n=soumyadi@59.93.244.76] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:17] sfllaw: I disagree about the "find -name \*" doesn't match names which are invalid utf8 when you're in an utf-8 locale not being a bug, btw. [06:18] Mithrandir: Well, how do you generalise this? [06:18] If it fails to match, do you fall back on LANG=C? [06:18] sfllaw: I didn't say it was easy to fix. :-) [06:18] In which case, you'll get false positives. [06:19] Since there's no way to identify which encoding a string is in, you can only assume it's the default encoding. [06:19] if your glob string only includes ASCII, that'd be sensible. [06:19] If you glob string only includes ASCII, UTF-8 would match it. [06:19] But then KOI8 probably won't. [06:19] It's really quite lossy. [06:20] well, I find it hard to argue that "*" doesn't match anything because it's not valid in your current encoding. [06:20] that is, the string is not valid [06:20] Wait a second, no. [06:20] The bug is "*~" [06:21] And that's the problem. [06:21] Once you encounter an invalid character in your encoding, you can't tell whether there's an ~ at the end of it! [06:21] If he ran "*", it's quite likely that it would match anyway. [06:22] I'd expect "*" to match. [06:22] Or even "foo*" to match. [06:22] But you can't expect "*~" to have a hope of winning. [06:23] it's I who filed the bug. [06:24] Did I read the bug wrong? [06:24] Which number is it? [06:25] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/findutils/+bug/31232 [06:25] Malone bug 31232 in findutils "find -name \*~ doesn't find files which have names which are not valid in the current locale" [Normal,Rejected] [06:25] and -name \* doesn't match either [06:26] Well, OK. [06:26] ditto for -regex .\* ; no match. === dsas [n=dean@host81-158-81-220.range81-158.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:27] it might be that we're way into undefined behaviour territory here, though. === Gloubiboulga [n=gauvain@ubuntu/member/gloubiboulga] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:28] Yeah. [06:28] Find won't even match against the invalid filename itself. [06:29] find2perl -name \* | perl and find2perl -name \*~ | perl both works [06:31] I think, at the very best, that this is a wishlist bug. [06:31] It could be argued to work either way. [06:32] if a chrome is to be installed in more than one application - say, mozilla and mozilla-thunderbird, after copying it to /usr/lib/mozilla/chrome, how do I "register" it? (I'd be happy if you pointed to a sample application) [06:34] nictuku: Err, this is for enigmail? [06:34] infinity, yes.. [06:34] should I just leave it? [06:35] it's so fun :-) [06:35] nictuku: enigmail isn't even in the same version for mozilla and thunderbird, I'd recommend against trying to install "shared chrome" for it. [06:36] infinity, ok, but then the change would be too big for a freeze-time, right? [06:38] I could provide enigmail-locale-YY-0.94.. but it wouldn't be pretty I think === j_ack [n=nico@p508D9E9D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:57] infinity, is this old too? http://web.glandium.org/debian/packages/mozilla-firefox/New_scheme_for_extensions/20041114 if yes, do you know of an updated reference? [07:06] Kamion: unfortunatly not.. not when i did test them in breezy [07:22] mjg59: ping === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:24] Good morning [07:26] mdz: ping [07:26] hi pitti === CarlFK [n=carl@c-67-163-39-124.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:26] hi ajmitch === fabbione waves [07:30] crazy time of day === tdjb [n=tdjb@209.151.52.189] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kent [n=kent@kr-lun-89-144-233-83.3.cust.bredband2.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Toadstool [n=jcorbier@maisel-gw.enst-bretagne.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === torkel__ is now known as torkel === pef [n=loic@ubuntu/member/pef] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo [n=egon@i577B16FC.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === JaneW [n=JaneW@dsl-146-141-13.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel === besonen__ [n=besonen_@dsl-db.pacinfo.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ubijtsa2 [n=ubijtsa@213.208.70.150] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Toadstool [n=jcorbier@maisel-gw.enst-bretagne.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AndyFitz [n=andy@cust1772.qld01.dataco.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach [n=daniel@i577B16FC.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === vuntz [n=vuntz@volin.imag.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:51] morning everybody [08:51] hey sivang === sivang hugs pitti [08:52] pitti: how's it going? [08:52] sivang: great, had some nice holidays; and you? === marilize [n=marilize@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:53] Oh man, it's UVF exception day all 'round for everything I maintain. [08:53] pitti: been working yesterday, but managed to find out that laptop-mode-tools was causing some troubles for my ThinkPad, purged it and things are a bit better now :) === infinity already did apache2 and mysql, and now noticed a new php5 released. [08:53] Ngh. [08:54] infinity: mind kicking upbackup's binaries out of NEW :-) (I owe you a beer if I get to meet you in Paris) [08:54] ? [08:54] We've already met, and no beer was provided then. :P [08:55] infinity: my bad, noted. Will try to make it better next time! (I just need to people to remind me I've promised them such, and I will deliver ;-) I keep forgetting stuff all time long.. [08:55] I also owe some other folks some stuff, /me makes a list [08:56] You live in .il, yes? [08:56] You can probably repay me in olives or olive oil or other such olive-related produce. [08:56] indeed. [08:57] infinity: you name it, I'll bring it :-) === infinity goes to give your binary a once-over and make sure it's sane to unleash on the archive. === sivang hugs infinity [08:58] infinity: there are also many related art and religious artficats that can be brought from here, if you're interested for you or for your relatives whatever, let me know and I'll check what I can do. [08:59] I suspect any "arifacts" I'd want wouldn't be allowed to leave the country... Or the glass cases in which they reside. :) [09:08] infinity: acutally IIRC they're are allowed to leave the country, and they are even sold in special bottles :-) === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ivoks [n=ivoks@lns01-0695.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:19] sivang: Why so many restrictive versioned dependencies? [09:25] sivang: I'm willing to believe you may need a specific pygtk version, but is the versioned dependency on dar and hal required? And is a dependency on coreutils required at all (hint: It's an essential package, you don't need to depend on it, and I can see any reason why you'd need a tight versioned dep on such a recent version) [09:26] sivang: Same for gksu... (why the seemingly arbitrary version?) === womble [n=mpalmer@106.135.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 [n=seb128@ANancy-151-1-52-220.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:39] infinity: noted, hal is required because only starting from this version of HAL there's support for cdrom volume capacity detection === janimo [n=jani@Home03207.cluj.astral.ro] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:40] infinity: coreutils - note, I just recalled about the section in the policy that states you need not depend on essential packages ;-) [09:41] mvo: hi, can you include the fix to bug 40655 in the next upload of update-manager? thanks [09:41] Malone bug 40655 in update-manager "Software Properties Depends on Gnome" [Normal,Fix committed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/40655 [09:42] janimo: I was sure I fixed it with my latest upload, let me re-check === Toadstool [n=jcorbier@maisel-gw.enst-bretagne.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:45] janimo: the latest upload should fix this, can you please check if you have the latest version? [09:46] mvo, ok, I thought I had the latest (before the weekend), and the bug was not touched :). [09:46] dAndy_: oh, version of the mini.iso doesn't particularly matter, just use it with the current archive [09:46] janimo: IIRC I uploaded at friday [09:47] infinity: I will also remove the versioned dependency from dar. [09:48] sivang: For the sake of my own pedantry, can you upload a new version that fixed the dependencies? (remove unnecessary versions, remove the coreutils dep completely, etc)? [09:48] sivang: Then I'll give that one last look and NEW it, if I want olive oil. [09:48] mvo, indeed there's a new one and has the fix.thanks [09:49] sivang: Also, is there any reason to call it "Ubuntu Personal Backup System"? What if you want to upload it to Debian some day? :) === dholbach [n=daniel@i577B16FC.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:49] sivang: Perhaps s/Ubuntu/Universal/ or Unparallelled, or Uberspiffy, or whatveer. :) [09:50] sivang: Generally, including an OS brand in your software is silly. (see all the "Linux" software that compiles and runs fine on other UNIXes, for instance) [09:50] infinity: yes, this change is in place :) I will choose one of those and update, then upload, it's gonna take a while so I'll ping you again when a new source with all of the above changes will be updated. [09:51] infinity: and btw, I would have gotten you olive oil anyways if you wanted, I wasn't really conditioning the two :-) [09:51] infinity: (also, about the things that come in glass containers, let me know and I'll check) [09:52] You're planning on robbing a museum for me? How sweet. :) [09:52] ah, I didn't know you were planning a specific set of those :) === dholbach [n=daniel@i577B16FC.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === chmj [n=chmj@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:02] Gloubiboulga: hi. does xffm not use the xfce.mk CDBS class? [10:03] if it did there would be no need to explicitely tell it about dh_iconcache [10:04] janimo, I didn't use it iirc [10:04] janimo, confirmed, I didn't use it since it's not really Xfce related [10:05] xffm? [10:05] xfce file manager :) [10:07] hmm, yep, is it really usable only with Xfce ? [10:07] well no but the xfce.mk class does not tie it to xfce in any way [10:07] yep, I should have used it [10:07] it's just a shortcut for debhelper/autotools/dh_iconcache etc [10:08] most (all?) xfce package suse it now in ubuntu === carlos [n=carlos@49.Red-88-9-27.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:08] if we convince debian to use xfce.mk then our package diffs may only be in the cdbs package instead of throughout the xfce packages themselves === vurdak [n=vurdak@adsl-ull-184-66.42-151.net24.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:18] who can tell me the name of the kde package where the "this app has crashed" picture is in? [10:19] kdebase-bin, I suspect [10:19] assuming it's the image /usr/share/apps/drkonqi/pics/konqi.png [10:20] dholbach, krash-katcher? [10:22] ajmitch: that's the one [10:22] janimo, ajmitch: thanks === AndyFitz [n=andy@cust1772.qld01.dataco.com.au] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === Fjodor [n=sune@daimi-pat.daimi.au.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dborg [n=daniel@e182048012.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Toadstool [n=jcorbier@maisel-gw.enst-bretagne.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mementor [n=villejuh@dsl-kjngw1-ff83c000-43.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Toadstool [n=jcorbier@maisel-gw.enst-bretagne.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ssam [n=ssam@80-41-117-10.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pvanhoof [n=pvanhoof@mailhost.newtec.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gloubiboulga is now known as Gloubiboulga|AFK === freeflying-ibook [n=freeflyi@222.33.71.12] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ivoks [n=ivoks@lns01-0695.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lloydinho [n=andreas@rosinante.egmont-kol.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:07] jdub: Yo [11:08] hmm, someone pinged me ? [11:08] (sadly its lost in my scrollback) [11:11] ogra: a few days back I did, to say g-s-s looks good now [11:12] lifeless, ah, thanks :) [11:12] but i was online yesterday, so the ping must have been tonight or late evening yesterday === ogra goes to look in the logs === Fjodor [n=sune@daimi-pat.daimi.au.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:14] ahh :) amaranth did his SoC application for the willow project :) [11:14] great === ajmitch might put in a SoC application :) [11:16] what is willow? [11:17] ajmitch: what would you like to work on? [11:18] neuralis: I thought it might give me a good chance to work on the selinux reference policy in debian or ubuntu [11:19] either that or I'd come up with something, possibly related to those T2000s :) === neuralis just can't bring himself to like selinux. at all. [11:21] too complex? [11:22] yes. [11:23] seb128, http://www.digitallumber.com/software/willow/ [11:23] k [11:24] seb128, its a content filtering proxy using bayesian filtering additionally to the common black/whitelists, its python and already comes with a web interface [11:24] aaaand it uses pam for all auth stuff [11:24] I'm not sure than standard Ubuntu users use a "content filtering proxy" [11:24] nope [11:25] but edubuntu users cry for it since before breezy [11:26] its forced by law in the us to have a content filter if you run IT stuff in schools ... [11:26] (with web access) [11:28] ah, k === sfllaw [i=sfllaw@206-248-152-103.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zakame [n=zak@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marilize [n=marilize@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === KaiL [n=KaiL@p548F6CB1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sfllaw [i=sfllaw@206-248-152-216.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:53] slomo: Ah, hello. That ping was re 41800 ? I see that bug report doesn't seem to have attached to it the file that was trying to be printed. [11:54] Diziet: err? i was talking about bug #40320 ;) [11:54] Malone bug 40320 in firefox "devhelp starts with an "empty" page area, which is not redrawn" [Unknown,In progress] http://launchpad.net/bugs/40320 === anto9us [n=anthony@cpc1-ptal1-0-0-cust555.swan.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:58] slomo: Oh :-). Well, I saw my name around 41800 so I suppose I should leave a comment there ... === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:59] Diziet: anyway... could you include the patch for #40320 in your next firefox upload? it affects many packages and working fine for me since i added the comment ;) [11:59] slomo: Oh, that. That patch is in the upload I'm testing just as soon as I've caught up on my IRC pings ... === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:59] Diziet: oh even better :) and you already have the updated one that doesn't break chrome anymore? [12:01] `updated fix' of 2006-04-26 04:07 from Mozilla 312998 is what I have. [12:01] Mozilla bug 312998 in Embedding: GTK Widget "fix gtkmozembed's EmbedWindow::GetVisibility" [Major,Assigned] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=312998 [12:01] yeah that one :) [12:01] perfect === welshbyte [n=welshbyt@cpc3-cwma2-0-0-cust276.swan.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Huahua [n=hua_@221.172.48.158] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:15] mdz, care to spend a minute or two on that mail about the bot? the web page reflects the bot, the plan is anyone can, however lets say I have an interest in it being right [12:24] ompaul: I hope mdz is still lying in bed. :-) [12:25] dholbach, there is that, I just noticed the tz on his mail now :-) [12:25] :) === ompaul spent 2 hours in out and about this morning - and its a 5 mile (8k) journey two ways 1.5 hours one way 10 minutes business and 20 back to base still have not worked out why my brain is confused :) === nomed [n=nomed@host199-198.pool8254.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:35] hi all === coz_ [n=coz_@c-71-236-91-89.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:37] hello all I tried reporting a bug after talking about it here but recieved an error on the page is bug reporting closed/ [12:46] wow nice, oracle released an update for their OracleXE packages into debian packages. it says there it's for Ubuntu as well :) === kagou [n=kagou@84.4.155.227] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:50] is error reportingclosed on launchpad === Gloubiboulga|AFK is now known as Gloubiboulga === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lucas [n=lucas@ubuntu/member/lucas] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ozamosi- [n=nozamosi@h208n10c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lucas [n=lucas@ubuntu/member/lucas] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ealden [n=ealden@203.177.228.147] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nomed [n=nomed@host109-120.pool8254.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nikusan [n=dan@d58-108-81-175.dsl.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:25] Diziet: I'm still seeing broken fonts in Epiphany [01:25] Is there anything you've done that ought to have changed that? [01:25] (And would you like a bug filed if there isn't one already?) [01:26] mjg59: Broken as in unwanted Nimbus, or something else ? [01:26] Unwanted Nimbus [01:27] At least, I think so - I'm still dire at distinguishing fonts [01:27] Tricky, isn't it. [01:27] I suppose I'd better try to do something about it. Can you file a bug quoting the test URL you're using ? [01:27] But it's got the colour blurring that I associate with Nimbus [01:27] Ok [01:27] Against firefox. === lucas [n=lucas@ubuntu/member/lucas] has joined #ubuntu-devel === \sh [n=shermann@unaffiliated/sh/x-000000002] has joined #ubuntu-devel === netstar [n=al@d220-238-58-131.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:29] Oops. Sorry, filed it against epiphany-browser [01:29] I'll reassign now === hypatia [n=mary@adsl-66-203.swiftdsl.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:30] mjg59: Sure. Can you tell me the number so I can write it on my list ? [01:30] mjg59: try using whatthefont to identify it; http://desktoppub.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?zi=1/XJ&sdn=desktoppub&zu=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.myfonts.com%2FWhatTheFont%2F ? === lucas [n=lucas@ubuntu/member/lucas] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:31] http://www.myfonts.com/WhatTheFont/ , rather [01:32] Mithrandir,there is a wishlist bug in casper .. the bazaar repo link is included [01:32] i guess you're busy .. just ping me when yu'll have the time to take a look and give me some feedbacks [01:33] Gloubiboulga: uploaded xfburn to NEW [01:33] janimo, yep, I've received the mail, thanks :) [01:33] hi janimo Gloubiboulga [01:34] hi nomed [01:34] hey nomed === doko [n=doko@dslb-088-073-084-237.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:37] Diziet: 42559 [01:38] Ta. === Harti [n=Harti@dslb-082-083-209-184.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:42] good afternoon === lucas [n=lucas@ubuntu/member/lucas] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:43] nomed: I'm looking at it now [01:48] pitti: ping? === Ibalon [n=zak@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:49] hey fabbione [01:49] nomed: pong me when you're around; there are some things which need to be fixed before I want to merge it. [01:50] Mithrandir, pong .. === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:50] nomed: you install stuff to /usr/share/doc/initramfs-tools/examples; that's wrong, don't do that. [01:50] wurgh, I've got read() returning ERESTARTSYS here [01:51] I thought that wasn't meant to be seen by userspace? === sonnenschein [i=JavaUser@84-72-40-171.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:51] hey [01:51] Mithrandir, i supposed .. that's why i tried to split the changes in more revs [01:51] Mithrandir, where can i install that example file .. supposing it's needed ? [01:51] why [01:52] if anywhere; /usr/share/doc/casper [01:52] ok [01:52] nomed: and I don't see the point of the blacklist functionality, as I said. Have you come up with a use case for it? [01:52] why === welshbyte [n=welshbyt@cpc3-cwma2-0-0-cust276.swan.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:53] Mithrandir, nothing new if you do not think performance can be improved in that way :) [01:53] Mithrandir, i've even seen the TODO list .. [01:54] why [01:54] nomed: I think shaving half a second off the boot time when we're at several minutes is pointless. [01:54] nomed: the todo list shouldn't be there, it's absolutely not current. [01:54] why [01:55] what's that why ? o0 [01:55] sonnenschein: if you have something sensible to say, please say so, else be quiet or leave the channel [01:55] Would it even shave off half a second? I'd expect that you'd spend longer checking the blacklist for every script than you would just running the scripts and letting the occasional one of them decide to do nothing. [01:55] occasional one [01:55] Kamion, not really [01:56] it just doesn't add the unwanted scripts to initlist .. [01:56] initlist [01:56] while generating it [01:56] generating [01:56] Kamion: unsure, it for sure won't cut big chunks out of the boot time and it's more complexity. [01:56] complexity [01:56] oh please, somebody kick sonnenschein [01:56] fabbione ? [01:57] ogra: ? [01:57] ^^^^^ === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:57] Mithrandir, i agree about complexity [01:57] agree [01:57] and i even think for dapper is not needed [01:57] dapper [01:57] fabbione, see Mithrandir [01:57] ogra: i am not reading here.. what does need my attention? [01:57] fabbione: care to kick sonnenschein, he appears to be a bot which is just annoying. [01:57] ok [01:57] thanks. [01:57] thanks === mode/#ubuntu-devel [+o fabbione] by ChanServ [01:58] thanks === mode/#ubuntu-devel [+b *!*@84-72-40-171.dclient.hispeed.ch] by fabbione === sonnenschein was kicked off #ubuntu-devel by fabbione (fabbione) [01:58] but in case derivatives wouldn't use some scripts a-priori that could be a solution === mode/#ubuntu-devel [-o fabbione] by fabbione [01:58] nomed: it looks like a solution in search of a problem. :-P [01:59] ehehe [01:59] Mithrandir, i do not know how casper will be in 30 days :) [01:59] i know that with patch i'll be sure i can use casper upstreamer source :) [02:00] nomed: also, why do you redefine run_scripts in debian/casper.initramfs? [02:00] Mithrandir, to not patch initramfs-tools just for casper [02:01] i guess that's where a blacklist is needed .. [02:01] can you do a measurement and see how much you save with those two it seems you want to disable? [02:02] hmm, maybe strace is lying slightly about the ERESTARTSYS, hard to tell [02:02] Mithrandir, i'll do that .. but i don't know when i'll have the time === kagou [n=kagou@84.4.160.90] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:06] ssam, around ? [02:07] ogra, hi [02:07] hey [02:07] i saw you had a suggestion for y python teaching IDE ? [02:07] yes [02:07] did you think about basing it on pygame ? [02:08] i think it has many of the functions you describe in the spec suggestion [02:08] i dont think i could do it personally, more of an idea i have had in my head, and was throwing it out for a better programmer to pick up [02:08] ah === ubijtsa2 [n=ubijtsa@213.208.70.150] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:09] i know a bit of python, but i have not dont much gui programming [02:09] i wont mentor it as SoC anyway, somebody else would have to step up (i already have one mentorship and last SoC showed me that its bad to do two) === ealden [n=ealden@203.177.228.147] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:23] ssam: what are you looking a mentor for? [02:24] Diziet: would you have time to look at gs-esp 8.15.2? http://www.cups.org/articles.php?L378 you seem to know the code a bit and might be able to judge if we should get it for dapper [02:24] sivang, see above, he doesnt look for a mentor personally, he created a spec and someone added it to the edubuntu SoC project list [02:24] ogra: k, thanks === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:25] sivang, https://launchpad.net/disthttps://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/simple-prog-appros/ubuntu/+spec/simple-prog-app [02:26] grr, python fileobj.readline() loses input data if it gets EINTR on a read() part-way through [02:27] Kamion: all of it? or just some of it? === HiddenWolf [n=HiddenWo@136.181.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:27] sivang: everything it's read so far, as far as I can tell [02:28] unless I'm on crack, which is possible. This is a messy bug. [02:29] pitti: would you look at bug #41367 when you have time, please? [02:29] Malone bug 41367 in alsa-lib "dmix consumes 100% CPU with 32-bit userspace on 64-bit kernel" [Normal,In progress] http://launchpad.net/bugs/41367 === hypatia [n=mary@adsl-66-203.swiftdsl.com.au] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [02:33] sivang, https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/simple-prog-app, but i dont think i'd be able to be the student [02:35] crimsun: I eyeballed the patch, looks good; great work! [02:35] crimsun: the rbuf change seems consistent [02:36] pitti: thanks for your time [02:36] crimsun: can you upload yourself or do you need a sponsor? [02:37] pitti: would need a sponsor, please [02:37] crimsun: alright, I'll upload then. thank you! === pitti hugs crimsun, the audio guru [02:37] infinity: if there was a need to do a mass build of all xfce apps is that you who needs to be pinged? [02:37] not the case right now, but so I know if it is [02:38] ssam: and you think the language to go is python? [02:38] there may be a soname bump in one of the xfce libs [02:38] crimsun: do you think we can have something better than xfmedia as default in xubuntu? [02:38] considering the dependency restrictions [02:39] sivang, i think it needs to be a simple to learn language, that can also be used of more complex things once its learned. python fits that, and is well supported by ubuntu [02:40] janimo: hmm, that's difficult given the xine restriction [02:40] crimsun, so xine-ui and gxine are not even as good as xfmedia? [02:40] janimo: you have to upload new versions anyway, so you can do it yourself [02:40] sivang, maybe the project could be writen in C, but i think it would be nice for it to be python all the way through [02:41] pitti, true. but in case I want to minimize the state of brokennes, or dep-waits [02:41] janimo: gxine is good imo, but its playlist handling is cumbersome compared with xfmedia's [02:41] pitti, last time I hurried all uploads so they stuck in wait [02:41] but I guess I need to be more careful now :) [02:41] janimo: just start with the basic libraries, dep-wait handling is fairly good nowadays [02:41] janimo: (would need to be promoted iirc) [02:41] crimsun: xfmedia hangs sometimes that's what I dont' like about it. even when playing audio CDs [02:42] pitti, ok, thanks [02:42] crimsun: true. and in that case xfmedia would go back to universe [02:42] gxine has some security history though [02:42] janimo: heh, I just checked :) [02:45] janimo: dep-wait handling is automatic, it only breaks if you screw up the versioned build-deps. So don't screw up. :) === shackan [n=shackan@85-18-14-13.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:46] crimsun: Erm, my concern was with inconsistency outside the patched area. [02:47] crimsun: If rbuf has become an array, why is it not accessed in the new fashion after the else? [02:47] pitti: ^^^^ [02:47] nomed: I've merged your changes, except for the blacklist stuff and reformatted it a bit, so you might want to merge from me to resolve conflicts. [02:47] TheMuso: merged from you too, thanks. [02:48] pitti, would you feel uncomfortable with xine-ui or gxine in main? I.e does it ring any bells :) [02:48] crimsun: gxine has the browser plugin too, that has been pointed out as a plus by some [02:48] but I remember now, I looked at gxine and it brings in some javascript libarry too [02:48] to script gxine using javascript via lirc [02:48] crazy dependencies [02:48] Mithrandir, ok [02:48] infinity: but it's only a 'very' local variable... [02:48] crimsun: As previously stated, if the fix/change is correct, then the surrounding unchanged code now looks wrong. === Keybuk [n=scott@quest.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:49] pitti: do you have an opinion on re-enabling 3DES-EDE-CBC for ssl in Konqueror? [02:49] infinity: hm, I only see two then-blocks where this is changed, and these blocks contain both the rbuf declaration and its usage [02:49] Awwww, mdz hasn't replied to my sync mail. [02:49] pitti: Oh, hrm. I missed the sketchy s/rbuf/rbuf[4] / [02:49] Riddell: erm, not off-hand; is there something wrong with it? I'm not aware of any weaknesses in 3DES === Fjodor [n=sune@daimi-pat.daimi.au.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:50] pitti: No, I was referring to the } else { block right after the patched portions. It's in the context of the diff. [02:50] infinity: you mean the else part needs the same fix? [02:50] pitti: But I suspect it's just som intentionally inconsistency designed to make people like me tear their hair out. [02:51] pitti: the konqueror developers seem to think it is a weak cypher, discussion is at http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124684 but apparantly it breaks some bank's websites so I'm thinking about re-enabling it [02:51] KDE bug 124684 in kssl "Konqueror is unable to access URL, other browsers work fine" [Normal,Closed: wontfix] [02:51] pitti: Not knowing the real context, I have no idea, TBH. But that was my concern. Changing it in the if, but not the else, looked a bit suspicious. [02:51] crimsun: ^ agreed; any idea about that? [02:52] the current patch doesn't make it worse; at worst, it just doesn't fix everything [02:52] pitti: takashi seemed to imply it was intentionally inconsistent [02:52] pitti: I've been testing it for two days on an amd64 machine and haven't been able to reproduce the bug [02:52] If that was definitely commuicated sanely in both directions and he checked the else block, I'm cool with that. [02:53] And yes, half a fix is better than no fix anyway, even if it is "wrong, but working better". :) [02:53] It's entirely possible the else block never even triggers on your setup. [02:54] Or, rather, triggers but no-ops in a reasonably harmless way. [02:54] yes, the condition looks like it's pretty static === infinity shrugs. [02:54] I know so little of alsa that I'll defer. I was just dutifully doing patch review when asked. :) [02:54] crimsun: maybe you can ask him again? anyway, I'll upload the current fix now; even if it's incomplete, it fixes enough to be worth uploaded/tested at larger scale === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:54] pitti: will do [02:55] infinity: thanks for your eagle-eye! I didn't pay attention to that bit [02:55] crimsun: uploaded [02:55] pitti: thank you [02:57] infinity: thank you, too === j_ack [n=nico@p508D9E9D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra_ [n=ogra@p548AF5A6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === herzi [n=herzi@c197112.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:03] pitti: Got a sec (or two)? [03:04] StevenK: go ahead :) === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:05] pitti: I just need a hand with pkgstriptranslations, and ajmitch pointed the finger at you. [03:06] pitti: I uploaded a new version of ldaptor to the archive, and it FTBFS due to pkgstriptranslations failing saying one of the PO/POT files is empty. [03:08] StevenK: indeed, it's supposed to catch these cases, since they usually point to a bug in the packaging [03:08] StevenK: we rely on up to date and valid POT files to not screw up rosetta [03:09] pitti: I'm more to willing to admit it's a bug, but where do I start looking? [03:09] (last time an empty POT file made it to the archive, it crashed the publisher) [03:09] Kamion: Oh, whee. [03:09] StevenK: is the POT file regenerated automatically at build time? [03:09] ... ldaptor has a POT file? [03:10] I guess it does. [03:10] obviously the publisher crash is a bug too [03:11]