[12:54] <\sh> ajmitch: gallery is available again...http://photos.shermann.blogweb.de/ at the usual place :)
[02:12] <bddebian> Heya gang
[02:15] <nictuku> hi bddebian!
[02:15] <ajmitch> hello bddebian
[02:15] <bddebian> Heya nictuku
[02:15] <bddebian> and ajmitch
[02:16] <ajmitch> bddebian: you were trying to bug me earlier?
[02:16] <bddebian> ajmitch: Do you think zope2.8 is worth fixing or should apps be made to build with zope3?
[02:16] <nictuku> I wonder if I can help with some random bugs. Let me browse them :-)
[02:17] <ajmitch> if you knew zope, you'd know that's a really really silly question ;)
[02:17] <ajmitch> no offense, but zope3 is quite a different API
[02:17] <chillywilly> hi
[02:17] <bddebian> ajmitch: Well I don't know zope but it's on my unmet deps list :-)
[02:17] <ajmitch> massive porting work involved
[02:17] <zul> heylo
[02:17] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[02:17] <ajmitch> bddebian: no, it's on my bug list :P
[02:17] <bddebian> ajmitch: OK
[02:17] <bddebian> ajmitch: So are you going to replace python2.3-xml with 2.4-xml in zope2.8?
[02:18] <ajmitch> no
[02:18] <ajmitch> the only unmet dep bug open for zope2.8 is bug 35998
[02:18] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 35998 in zope2.8 "zope2.8 uninstallable" [Normal,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/35998
[02:19] <bddebian> ajmitch: Many of the unmet deps on LP depend on zope2.7 | zope2.8 :-)
[02:19] <ajmitch> bddebian: have you looked at the bug reports for those? most of those I've assigned to me already
[02:19] <bddebian> When?
[02:19] <ajmitch> when dholbach did his mass-filinf
[02:20] <bddebian> Hmm, no I didn't notice that
[02:20] <bddebian> never mind....
[02:20] <ajmitch> I appreciate your desire to fix things :)
[02:20] <ajmitch> but I'm also waiting on bug #39631
[02:20] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 39631 in Ubuntu "sync and removal requests: zope*" [Normal,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/39631
[02:20] <bddebian> I'm glad someone does :-)
[02:20] <ajmitch> after that mess settles I can attack the rest
[02:21] <bddebian> Syncs are never going to happen ;-P
[02:21] <ajmitch> stop  being so pessimistic
[02:22] <bddebian> :-)
[02:23] <ajmitch> I should upload this python2.3-xml to universe now
[02:23] <ajmitch> & see if it gets through NEW
[02:28] <bddebian> I thought we were only carrying python2.3 and python2.3-dev?
[02:29] <ajmitch> no
[02:30] <ajmitch> since all the zope2.x products require python2.3 & various python2.3-* packages...
[02:30] <ajmitch> so if you happen to remove one I need... ;)
[02:31] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 3897 in apt-listbugs "It always says "No report available:" when you ask for bug details." [Normal,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/3897
[02:31] <ajmitch> basically if zope breaks, then plone breaks
[02:31] <ajmitch> and plone is a very popular CMS
[02:32] <zul> and people get pissed
[02:32] <ajmitch> I will
[02:32] <ajmitch> since I need it for work
[02:32] <nictuku> can I change the status to "Unconfirmed" myself?
[02:34] <ajmitch> for edgy it won't matter, but for dapper plone will still run on zope 2.8
[02:34] <ajmitch> nictuku: you can, but unconfirmed means leaving the bug report open
[02:38] <StevenK> ... and others.
[02:38] <ajmitch> morning StevenK
[02:38] <nictuku> hi StevenK
[02:39] <StevenK> Does anyone know anything about pkgstriptranslations?
[02:39] <ajmitch> pitti will :)
[02:41] <StevenK> I uploaded a new version of ldaptor ripping out the Python2.3 stuff, and fixing, oh three FTBFSes along the way, to end up pkgstriptranslations barfing on my upload and bombing out.
[02:42] <nictuku> I could not reproduce bug #6124
[02:42] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 6124 in beep-media-player "beep media player playlist clik makes system freeze after program reopen" [Normal,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6124
[02:42] <ajmitch> StevenK: ok, I'll get round to killing you later then
[02:42] <StevenK> Oh?
[02:42] <ajmitch> ;)
[02:43] <StevenK> ajmitch: Bring it on. :-P
[02:43] <ajmitch> heh
[02:43] <ajmitch> I'll probably be visiting in june/july :)
[02:44] <StevenK> ajmitch: If it's June, you can come to my birthday bash.
[02:44] <crimsun> nictuku: please note it as a comment.
[02:44] <ajmitch> StevenK: late june
[02:44] <StevenK> Aw
[02:44] <ajmitch> StevenK: when's your birthday?
[02:44] <StevenK> Early June.
[02:44] <nictuku> crimsun, I did.
[02:44] <ajmitch> ah
[02:44] <ajmitch> mine as well
[02:44] <nictuku> I was wondering what you guys do with old, unreproductible bugs
[02:45] <StevenK> ajmitch: 8th. You?
[02:45] <ajmitch> 12th
[02:46] <StevenK> Ohhhh, look at all of the zope stuff in UNMETDEPS.
[02:47] <ajmitch> look at how many are assigned to me
[02:47] <ajmitch> most of those are because zope2.7 & 2.8 are uninstallable
[02:47] <crimsun> leave them
[02:47] <ajmitch> due to python2.3 packages being mercilessly ripped out
[02:47] <crimsun> nictuku: leave them
[02:47] <StevenK> ajmitch: Ahh.
[02:48] <StevenK> python2.1 is also uninstallable.
[02:48] <ajmitch> hence my threats of further maiming ;)
[02:48] <ajmitch> python2.1 is horribly out of date
[02:48] <ajmitch> python2.5 alpha 2 is already out
[02:49] <StevenK> Should we just punt python2.1 from the archive?
[02:49] <ajmitch> yes
[02:49] <ajmitch> it's already being discussed, I think
[02:50] <ajmitch> I wonder where my upload went
[02:50] <ajmitch> it hasn't been quite 30 minutes, but still..
[02:50] <StevenK> It looks like most of the UNMETDEPS bugs have already been claimed.
[02:50] <ajmitch> yes
[02:51] <ajmitch> you have to get in quick around here
[02:51] <ajmitch> don't worry, there's 10K other open bugs for you
[02:51] <StevenK> Reckon
[02:51] <bddebian> heh
[02:53] <bddebian> ajmitch: Won't they work with python2.4?
[02:53] <bddebian> 2.1 needs removed
[02:53] <ajmitch> bddebian: zope2.8 & below only support up to python 2.3
[02:53] <bddebian> Bummin
[02:53] <StevenK> Wheee.
[02:53] <ajmitch> zope 2.9 requires python 2.4.2+
[02:55] <StevenK> "interchange packages require non-threaded perl"
[02:55] <StevenK> Mmmm, yummy.
[02:55] <ajmitch> in other words, their code is broken enough to trip up on a threaded perl :)
[02:56] <StevenK> Yup.
[02:58] <StevenK> I wonder if I need a UVF for a package that FTBFS, which I'd like to get synced from Debian.
[02:59] <ajmitch> yes
[02:59] <ajmitch> if it's a new upstream version, then always yes :)
[02:59] <ajmitch> the fact that it FTBFS just makes things a bit easier to explain
[03:00] <StevenK> ajmitch: The version in question is already in the archive, it just fails to build.
[03:00] <ajmitch> ah
[03:00] <ajmitch> then if you're not getting a new upstream, just ask for a sync :)
[03:00] <ajmitch> simple :)
[03:00] <ajmitch> what matters is the source package version in the archive
[03:00] <StevenK> It's one of doko's packages, and he asked me, "When you upload it, can you put your name in the Maintainer field." :-)
[03:01] <ajmitch> haha
[03:01] <ajmitch> what package is it?
[03:01] <StevenK> spe
[03:02] <ajmitch> right
[03:02] <ajmitch> maybe this upload has caught another soyuz bug ;)
[03:03] <StevenK> Heh
[03:04] <StevenK> Awww, Warty is still marked as SUPPORTED.
[03:05] <ajmitch> kill it
[03:05] <ajmitch> now
[03:05] <bddebian> heh
[03:07] <ajmitch> nictuku: what packaging work have you done?
[03:07] <StevenK> ajmitch: It was supposed to be EoL'd on the 30th, IIRC.
[03:07] <ajmitch> StevenK: exactly. someone's sleeping on the job
[03:08] <StevenK> Ah.
[03:08] <nictuku> ajmitch, I've packaged pycacic and nwu from scratch (both are in revu), and I've done some small fixes here and there. I'm working to improve those skills, though
[03:09] <ajmitch> do you think that is enough to be given unrestrained upload rights to universe? :)
[03:09] <nictuku> no. :-)
[03:09] <ajmitch> ah
[03:09] <ajmitch> then how soon is soon? :)
[03:09] <nictuku> that's why I said "hoping to apply soon".
[03:09] <nictuku> when I feel very comfortable with packaging
[03:10] <ajmitch> and can quote debian policy backwards, like StevenK?
[03:11] <zul> eh? the standard's have been raised since i have become a motu?
[03:11] <zul> :)
[03:11] <ajmitch> hehe
[03:12] <nictuku> maybe that is a test for my enthusiasm
[03:12] <ajmitch> pass the initiation of the MOTUs? ;)
[03:13] <zul> is that like the stonecutters?
[03:13] <StevenK> Just wait until mako shines his spotlight in your eyes.
[03:13] <ajmitch> what about the comfy chair?
[03:13] <nictuku> at least I've walked some way in the process, since I managed to be a member.
[03:14] <StevenK> No comfy chair. It's in a bare room with a large spotlight and water dripping onto your head.
[03:14] <ajmitch> hey zakame
[03:14] <ajmitch> StevenK: no cushions?
[03:14] <StevenK> You're lucky if the back of the chair doesn't fall off.
[03:15] <ajmitch> heh
[03:15] <zakame> heya ajmitch!
[03:15] <ajmitch> nictuku: see what fun it'll be to join the MOTUs?
[03:15] <nictuku> well someone has to update the MOTU recruitment wiki. It is too friendly, I guess.
[03:15] <ajmitch> yes
[03:15] <ajmitch> no sense of impending doom at all
[03:16] <zakame> nictuku: needing your love? =)
[03:16] <bddebian> Hmm
[03:16] <nictuku> I could stand some sticks under my nails. I really want to help
[03:18] <zul> heh...motu's keep the metric system down, hold back the electric car...we do we do
[03:19] <ajmitch> :)
[03:19] <bddebian> StevenK: :-)
[03:20] <ajmitch> StevenK: so do you want to meet up for a beer^Wkeysigning in july?
[03:20] <zakame> indeed indeed
[03:20] <ajmitch> I think I'll be in sydney for a week or two
[03:21] <StevenK> ajmitch: Sounds good. I might have to drag you over to my place for dinner, too.
[03:21] <ajmitch> I could probably manage that
[03:22] <zul> for the winecfg shouldnt the default be alsa? #42169
[03:23] <crimsun> zul: reportedly the alsa output isn't as robust
[03:24] <zul> really? thats not really surprising :0
[03:24] <crimsun> ...and I just got blame in #ubuntu for someone losing his NTFS partition to Beta 2's live installer.
[03:24] <ajmitch> crimsun: impressive
[03:24] <zul> lol
[03:24] <crimsun> why the heck do I even bother?
[03:24] <ajmitch> since it's obviously your fault
[03:24] <bddebian> Yeah, bastage! :-)
[03:25] <ajmitch> crimsun: I know, it's hard trying to help people at times
[03:25] <zul> crimsun: you are just too malicious
[03:25] <ajmitch> I generally just watch those channels, when I can
[03:26] <nictuku> :-( why did you do that? poor user
[03:26] <zakame> crimsun: aww *patpat*
[03:26] <ajmitch> nictuku: seriously, this user was abusing crimsun in #ubuntu
[03:27] <StevenK> But isn't that what crimsun is for?
[03:27] <nictuku> sorry, I was joking.
[03:27] <ajmitch> I know
[03:27] <ajmitch> but I just read what happened, and it doesn't make me happy
[03:29] <nictuku> I'm not very talented on dealing with angry users. I had some troubles in #ubuntu-br too
[03:30] <nictuku> specially those that starts cursing #ubuntu because no one there could help him.
[03:32] <ajmitch> that frequently happens, I think
[03:34] <ajmitch> yes
[03:34] <ajmitch> we usually do that
[03:34] <ajmitch> well..
[03:34] <ajmitch> depends on the bug, I guess ;)
[03:34] <nictuku> sorry to ask again, but you guys really just leave unreproductible bugs open, even after many users confirming it works for them?
[03:35] <bddebian> nictuku: I suppose it depends unfortunately
[03:35] <ajmitch> nictuku: considering there are > 10000 bugs, expecting us to close bugs as soon as someone comments saying 'works for me' is a little unrealistic
[03:36] <ajmitch> sometimes the bug will still exist, but the people testing haven't come across the case where it breaks
[03:37] <nictuku> and sorry if it's obvious, but what is the difference between unconfirmed and need info?
[03:37] <StevenK> Ohh, it's even unreproducible with Breezy.
[03:37] <ajmitch> need info means we're waiting for more information from the bug reporter, eg backtrace, version numbers
[03:37] <ajmitch> StevenK: wonderful!
[03:39] <StevenK> ajmitch: Figured it out.
[03:39] <nictuku> ok, that makes the first lesson: don't be frusted with the fact of having a dozen thousand open bugs. right?
[03:43] <bddebian> StevenK: So get on it.. :-)
[03:44] <ajmitch> back later
[03:47] <StevenK> bddebian: I'm working on 'em
[03:47] <nictuku> is it of any help for a non-uploader to fix UNMETDEPS ? or doesn't that help much?
[03:48] <bddebian> nictuku: Absolutely.  Just attach a diff to the bug
[04:03] <zul> everybody got quiet all of the sudden
[04:03] <ajmitch> yes, I left :)
[04:03] <zul> yeah
[04:03] <zul> that must be it
[04:04] <LaserJock> I'm here zul
[04:05] <zul> wohoo!
[04:05] <zul> ;)
[04:14] <bddebian> What is up with libswt-gtk-3.1?
[04:14] <ajmitch> it's java
[04:14] <ajmitch> it's evil
[04:15] <bddebian> Yeah, well it's broken
[04:15] <ajmitch> so fix it
[04:15] <chillywilly> ya mon
[04:16] <bddebian> Well why is there libswt3.1-gtk-java but no libswt3.1-gtk?
[04:16] <bddebian> But there is libswt-gtk-3.1 and libswt-gtk-3.1-java
[04:16] <ajmitch> because of package naming?
[04:20] <nictuku> 41572 seems to justify a sync from debian. It's only a locales package. what do you think?
[04:20] <ajmitch> 'only locales' he says :)
[04:20] <bddebian> nictuku: Did you try the Debian package? :-)
[04:23] <LaserJock> ack, do you guys know if it is possible to unsubscribe from a bug?
[04:23] <ajmitch> nictuku: sadly it'd probably break with mozilla-thunderbird-enigmail
[04:24] <ajmitch> which is the package that most people would care about
[04:24] <LaserJock> what's a little breakage here or there? hehe ;-)
[04:24] <nictuku> ajmitch, the diff shows a lot of changes, but I can't follow them (.jar, .rdf and debian/* files)
[04:25] <ajmitch> nictuku: I saw that just by looking at the depends line
[04:28] <LaserJock> bddebian: mind if I close the python-scipy-core unmet dep bug now?
[04:28] <bddebian> LaserJock: Is it fixed? :-)
[04:29] <LaserJock> bddebian: I assume so, I'm not sure how to exactly test that? was scipy-core not installing at all?
[04:29] <bddebian> Oh, hmm, did I ever upload it?
[04:30] <LaserJock> bddebian: yeah, I'm just not sure why it was broken
[04:30] <LaserJock> I've installed it recently I think
[04:30] <LaserJock> hi tritium
[04:30] <tritium> hi LaserJock
[04:31] <bddebian> Heya tritium
[04:31] <nictuku> well I'll that anyway
[04:31] <tritium> hey there bddebian
[04:31] <nictuku> let me see where it breaks
[04:31] <bddebian> LaserJock: Yeah, it looks like I removed the python2.3 pacckage
[04:31] <LaserJock> bddebian: it installed fine on my dapper box, but I never knew it had a problem. Must have occured between installs ;-)
[04:35] <bddebian> he
[04:35] <bddebian> +h
[04:37] <bddebian> Oh, zul broke swingwt :-)
[04:40] <zul> hmm?
[04:51] <nictuku> I'm updating enigmail-locales sid package to 0.94, getting the .xpi's for that version and merging it to the package in sid (which has the locales files for 0.93). let's see if it works
[04:53] <nictuku> there are even some new languages added in that version. We could make packages for those too, what do you think?
[04:59] <nictuku> we are in a freeze, so I guess that will have to wait..
[05:08] <LaserJock> hmm, for a UVF exception is the diffstat of the .orig.tar.gz better than a diff of the whole source package?
[05:08] <nictuku> "dpkg-source: unrepresentable changes to source"
[05:10] <nictuku> ah :-) debian/rules binary clean
[05:17] <LaserJock> anybody got a AMD64 pbuilder available?
[05:19] <ajmitch> yes
[05:19] <ajmitch> LaserJock: what do you need?
[05:24] <LaserJock> ajmitch: can I get you to build praat from Debian unstable?
[05:24] <ajmitch> sure, just a min
[05:25] <ajmitch> building
[05:27] <ajmitch> so many compile warnings..
[05:28] <LaserJock> hmm
[05:28] <ajmitch> ok, built
[05:29] <LaserJock> ajmitch: could I get you to install it and just see if doesn't segfault when you run it?
[05:29] <LaserJock> or, I guess it is supposed to hang on startup
[05:30] <ajmitch> it'd have to be done later, I'm still at work :)
[05:31] <LaserJock> ajmitch: ok, np. If you can just tell me whenever you get to it.
[05:31] <ajmitch> ok
[05:31] <LaserJock> I'm trying to get a UVF exception but the main bug fix is for AMD64
[05:37] <StevenK> LaserJock: I can have a try.
[05:39] <LaserJock> StevenK: k, that would be cool
[05:41] <StevenK> Oh, crap, I can't run it here either.
[05:41] <LaserJock> lol
[06:05] <LaserJock> hi imbrandon and keyes
[06:05] <imbrandon> heya lazerjock
[06:06] <imbrandon> hey anyone in here wanna confim something for me, monodevelop should require libgdiplus package ( it will run without but crashes randomly and has screen redraw problems ) anyone have monodevelop installed?
[06:08] <imbrandon> never mind found it in launchpad
[06:33] <nictuku> hmm
[06:34] <nictuku> it's so fun to work with deb packages of moz applications
[06:40] <G0SUB> hello!
[06:41] <G0SUB> how do I generate a locale?
[06:41] <G0SUB> dpkg-reconfigure locales doesn't give me options to select locales to generate anymore
[06:48] <TheMuso> c
[06:49] <Mithrandir> hi TheMuso, I was just looking for you.
[06:49] <Mithrandir> TheMuso: the reason why your changes haven't been uploaded is it's been a weekend and yesterday was a national holiday in .no, so I have tried to do at least some other stuff than sitting in front of my computer.
[06:50] <TheMuso> Mithrandir: Thats fine.
[06:50] <lifeless> Mithrandir: omg, a life ?! did your partner die of shock ?
[06:50] <lifeless> :)
[06:51] <Mithrandir> lifeless: no, she was mostly busy either sewing or sitting in front of her computer. :-P
[06:51] <lifeless> ahha!
[06:51] <Mithrandir> (though, we did help out at my stepmother's cabin on Saturday, opening up for the season)
[06:54] <nictuku> G0SUB, tried locale-gen ?
[06:55] <nictuku> hehe packaging mozilla extensions seems to be an art of its own
[07:00] <G0SUB> nictuku: earlier reconfiguring locales would give me an option to select which locales to install
[07:18] <crimsun> G0SUB: if you're not using System> Administration> Language Support, then you need to pass the list of locales from /usr/share/i18n/SUPPORTED that you want to locale-gen, as nictuku mentioned.
[07:19] <G0SUB> crimsun: there is a bug.
[07:19] <G0SUB> crimsun: selecting bengali from that menu installs the langpacks but doesn't generate the locale
[07:19] <G0SUB> crimsun: so there is no language option in gdm
[07:19] <nictuku> G0SUB, the lack of a debconf interface for picking locales seems to 'work as intended'
[07:20] <nictuku> ah
[07:20] <G0SUB> nictuku: the debconf interface was pretty cool
[07:21] <nictuku> me agrees!
[07:21] <nictuku> there isn't even an explantion in the changelog or README :-(
[07:43] <nictuku> going to bed
[07:43] <nictuku> good night all
[07:43] <ajmitch> night
[07:46] <crimsun> 'night
[08:50] <dholbach> hello motu world
[08:50] <dholbach> GUYS!
[08:50] <dholbach> You've been doing incredible job on the UNMETDEPS
[08:50] <dholbach> I'll have to think of something new for you! :)
[08:51] <ajmitch> hey dholbach
[08:52] <ajmitch> and we've got a few new people involved with the dh_iconcache changes :)
[08:52] <dholbach> nice
[08:52] <dholbach> that sounds soooo good
[08:52] <dholbach> you guys rock
[08:52] <Hobbsee> hey dholbach
[08:52] <ajmitch> you've been doing a great job getting people to work though
[08:53] <ajmitch> Hobbsee is another one we're very happy to have working now :)
[08:53] <dholbach> hey Hobbsee
[08:53] <ajmitch> you are!
[08:53] <ajmitch> :P
[08:54] <Hobbsee> even though it happens so many times, i still havent really gotten used to being called a guy, when i'm not :P
[08:55] <ajmitch> we don't mean to exclude you in any way, shape or form :)
[08:59] <Mithrandir> good morning, dudes and dudettes.
[09:00] <Hobbsee> hehe i know :)
[09:00] <Hobbsee> i know that - it just still *feels* odd - parituclarly if i i happen to be wearing a skirt, and so am really obvious :P
[09:02] <Mithrandir> skirts rock.
[09:03] <sladen> morning girls and boys
[09:04] <ajmitch> hello sladen
[09:05] <sladen> ajmitch: don't think it's "morning" in Nez Zealand though :)
[09:09] <Hobbsee> hehe
[09:09] <Hobbsee> hey sladen
[09:09] <Hobbsee> no, it's not, it's 7pm there...
[09:10] <Mithrandir> it's always morning on IRC
[09:10] <Hobbsee> :P
[09:11] <Mithrandir> it's called IGT and is a special time zone, just for IRC.
[09:12] <ajmitch> of course, how else could we live our lives?
[09:14] <Hobbsee> hehe
[09:38] <sladen> Hobbsee: I was pointing somebody at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WPAHowto but that seems to possibily be out-of-date compared to the current status of network-manager and latest dapper
[09:38] <Hobbsee> sladen: yeah, that is out of date.  it does work, if you dont want to use network-manager though
[09:39] <sladen> Hobbsee: oooh, okay.  It's not me trying to get it to work, but somebody else;  are there better instructions anywhere?  At the moment it's like the blind leading the blind
[09:40] <sladen> since my only interaction with WPA was at Debconf last year where I pissed around for a day and then just went back to using nice reliable cables
[09:40] <Hobbsee> no...i rewrote it, but it got changed back - and i dont have a copy of what i changed...
[09:40] <Hobbsee> i'd try using it thru n-m
[01:11] <siretart> dholbach: when approving uvf-requests, I started to assign the bug from motu-uvf to the person who will handle the upload/sync/etc. Do you see any problems with that?
[01:13] <zakame> bug 42205
[01:13] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 42205 in pcmciautils "wireless card stops working after installing pcmciautils on 2.6.12" [Normal,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/42205
[01:14] <zakame> erm, bug 42055
[01:14] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 42055 in gnome-ppp "Latest update breaks functionality" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/42055
[01:14] <dholbach> siretart: no, not at all.
[01:14] <dholbach> siretart: that's fine
[01:14] <siretart> ok. will continue to do so
[01:15] <siretart> dholbach: are all hug days on wednesday, btw?
[01:15] <lucas> hi all
[01:15] <dholbach> no, we switched the times a bit, but plan to stay midweek
[01:15] <siretart> hey lucas
[01:15] <siretart> ok
[01:15] <dholbach> as it seems to suit a lot of people better
[01:21] <zakame> can my good peers comment on bug 42055 :D gnome-ppp needs love =)
[01:21] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 42055 in gnome-ppp "Latest update breaks functionality" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/42055
[01:23] <siretart> lucas: please let understand the issue: how many reverse depends does ruby1.9 have? what risk do you think comes with a ruby1.9 update?
[01:24] <lucas> I haven't checked rev depends. but 4 packages fail to build because ruby1.9 doesn't build on amd64
[01:24] <lucas> not much risk ; it's a dev snapshot anyway
[01:25] <siretart> lucas: well, upgrading a dev snapshot sounds risky for all reverse depends
[01:26] <lucas> then, somebody has to find the bug and fix it, because it's a much bigger problem to release without ruby1.9
[01:26] <lucas> (and I won't, I'm over-busy for at least a month)
[01:27] <siretart> hm. any idea why ruby1.9 ftbfs on amd64 only?!
[01:28] <lucas> crappy network here ...
[01:29] <zakame> hi \sh!
[01:29] <\sh> moins
[01:31] <Toadstool> hi here
[01:31] <Toadstool> siretart: looks like it is a ruby segfault when it runs the test suite...
[01:38] <kelmo_lap> moin
[01:38] <\sh> clamav has a security hole .... announcement: http://www.clamav.net/security/0.88.2.html
[01:43] <siretart> Toadstool: and it is reproducable
[01:44] <Toadstool> yep
[01:44] <siretart> Toadstool: I'd really love to see a list of reverse depends affected by a possible ruby1.9 update, and a few test rebuilds. can you care for this?
[01:44] <siretart> hey kelmo_lap
[01:44] <Toadstool> siretart: i'm on it :)
[01:45] <\sh> siretart: uvf exception for security fixes possible?
[01:46] <\sh> siretart: moins btw :)
[01:50] <siretart> hey \sh ! :)
[01:50] <siretart> mom
[01:51] <Ibalon> heya siretart \sh
[01:51] <\sh> siretart: see heise and the attached security advisory :) I'm checking what the other changes are, or if it's better to backport the fix
[01:53] <\sh> well it's worth it...
[01:55] <Hobbsee> hi \sh
[01:56] <siretart> \sh: Is it really a new upstream version or just a patch to the current version?
[01:56] <siretart> \sh: if the latter, then just go on with uploading, no uvf exception necessary
[02:02] <\sh> siretart: the security fix I can fix via patch...
[02:02] <\sh> let's see if I can backport all changes
[02:03] <siretart> \sh: I'd suggest diffing the 2 versions, and look at the diff. for an uvf exception, you need to create that diff and diffstat anyway
[02:03] <\sh> siretart: yeah, if i can avoid it it's not much....
[02:04] <siretart> often security fixes are just a couple of patch hunks...
[02:21] <Toadstool> siretart: I just tested rebuilding a few ruby1.9 rdepends on i386 and amd64 and it works just fine
[02:21] <\sh> siretart: backported the important parts to 0.88.1 ... security fix included...
[02:21] <siretart> Toadstool: how many reverse deps are there? could you please add this information to the bugreport, so it doesn't get lost? (I mean that you tried building it and what reverse deps you tried to rebuild
[02:22] <siretart> \sh: great! please attach the patch to the report and subscribe me. I'll happily sponsor you
[02:22] <Toadstool> siretart: yep adding my test results to the bug report
[02:23] <\sh> siretart: I'll file a bug report on launchpad, including debdiff what was your launchpad id again?
[02:28] <siretart> \sh: the same as my nick: 'siretart'
[02:33] <\sh> siretart: ok...uvf report :)
[02:33] <\sh> they changed more then the backport is worth...debdiff and diffstat attached to bugreport...
[02:34] <\sh> siretart: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/clamav/+bug/42568
[02:34] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 42568 in clamav "Security issue fixed in 0.88.2" [Normal,Unconfirmed] 
[02:36] <\sh> one more cigarette then I have to buy a sleeping bag for tomorrow
[02:39] <\sh> siretart: are you visiting the LT?
[02:42] <siretart> \sh: yes, it looks like I'm coming on thursday evening, and will stay until saturday evening
[02:42] <\sh> siretart: cool...visit the kubuntu booth then :) I'll be waiting for you and a cup of coffee as well :)
[02:43] <siretart> \sh: I definitly will be there! :)
[02:43] <\sh> great .. ok have to hurry a bit...last preparations for LT :)
[02:43] <\sh> later guys
[02:44] <Toadstool> siretart: I've just updated the ruby1.9 bug report
[02:44] <Toadstool> if you have any comments... :)
[02:53] <lucas> Toadstool: excellent work :)
[02:53] <Toadstool> thanks lucas
[02:53] <lucas> Toadstool: libdb3-ruby ftbfs too because of this
[02:53] <lucas> but if libdb4.3 was fixed, this one will probably work too
[02:54] <Toadstool> yep, and libdb4.2 too
[02:54] <Toadstool> I can test right now
[03:32] <StevenK> Right. There is an update-pot sort of thing. The ldaptor.pot that falls out is empty.
[03:45] <phanatic> hi people
[03:45] <zakame> heya phanatic! =)
[03:45] <phanatic> hey zakame :)
[04:02] <bddebian> Heya gang
[04:02] <crimsun> 'lo barry
[04:02] <bddebian> Hi Daniel
[04:03] <zakame> heya bddebian crimsun
[04:04] <bddebian> Hi zakame
[04:12] <phanatic> hey bddebian
[04:12] <bddebian> Hello phanatic
[05:49] <LaserJock> good morning MOTU Land!
[05:51] <bddebian> Heya LaserJock
[05:51] <phanatic> hi LaserJock
[05:59] <\sh> re
[06:00] <bddebian> \sh: I'm thinking I should pull an \sh and turn in my key :-)
[06:04] <\sh> lol
[06:05] <\sh> bddebian: i'm old, i'm fould, I'm forking ;)
[06:08] <\sh> bddebian: seriously, my time is counted in the moment...looks like that I will push again after dapper
[06:11] <bddebian> \sh: Well I'm old, fat, and apparently annoying :-)
[06:13] <\sh> bddebian: no you are not..at least "apparently annoying" is not correct...the rest I can't proove
[06:16] <bddebian> ?
[06:17] <\sh> bddebian: no you are not..at least "apparently annoying" is not correct...the rest (fat and old) I can't prove, checking
[06:17] <bddebian> Heh
[06:17] <\sh> what I wanted to say is, WE NEED YOU AND YOUR INPUT, friend :)
[06:18] <bddebian> \sh: Nah
[06:18] <LaserJock> bddebian: it's true
[06:21] <\sh> bddebian: really, you are great, you are not annoying..better to ask many times before making a mistake..that's great...I wish, i would do it the same way
[06:21] <bddebian> Bah.  You just do it right the first time :-)
[06:22] <\sh> bddebian: no ways...I never do anything right the first time...
[06:26] <\sh> oh well..I just came back from cologne...it's 25 degrees...and all the girls which are != german are so pretty...
[06:28] <\sh> indians, turkish, africans...wow...I have to leave this country...
[06:31] <Gloubiboulga> Is there someone in particular I need to hug to be added in the LP MOTU team? :)
[06:32] <LaserJock> Gloubiboulga: probably dholbach
[06:32] <dholbach> Gloubiboulga: lemme try
[06:34] <dholbach> you're added
[06:34] <dholbach> ogra can make you a admin
[06:34] <Gloubiboulga> thanks Daniel
[06:35] <Gloubiboulga> ok
[06:35] <LaserJock> \sh: xchat-gnome is no longer installed by default, it would have to be gaim launchpad-integration
[06:36] <\sh> dholbach: so you went with some kde'ler to have some drinks? we could need a good kde guy like you ;)
[06:36] <\sh> LaserJock: whatever is serving the problem "connecting to irc"
[06:37] <\sh> but thinking of gaim as irc client is like thinking about emacs to be a slime line mail client
[06:38] <LaserJock> heh, well I'm a bit concerned about the whole thing because xchat was droped because it was said that IRC usage is not enough to warrant an IRC-only client
[06:39] <LaserJock> and then this IRC Support thing sounds like an Official support system.
[06:39] <dholbach> \sh: a kde guy like me? ... hum ....
[06:40] <\sh> dholbach: if you can drink with scott, you are a kde guy, hehe :)
[06:40] <\sh> LaserJock: who said this?
[06:40] <dholbach> If drinking is the only thing kde people need to know, I suppose you better pick somebody else
[06:40] <LaserJock> \sh: about what?
[06:41] <\sh> LaserJock: [18:38]  <LaserJock> heh, well I'm a bit concerned about the whole thing because xchat was droped because it was said that IRC usage is not enough to warrant an IRC-only client
[06:41] <\sh> who is "it"?
[06:41] <LaserJock> \sh: oh, the big guys. mdz or Kamion I think
[06:42] <\sh> LaserJock: oh wow...what drugs are they using? it's something like "well, let's remove postfix from default, because there is no usecase for having a smtp only software...let's use hula"
[06:43] <LaserJock> \sh: basically it came down to anybody who wanted to use IRC would be advanced enough to know how to install xchat
[06:43] <LaserJock> \sh: and instant messaging is used way more than IRC by users
[06:45] <LaserJock> anyway, it was sort of messy because then the doc team had to pull the links to #ubuntu from the docs because gaim doesn't handle irc:// if I remember correctly
[06:45] <\sh> well, to be frank, email is more used then IM or IRC..so why not remove IM and IRC? these thoughts are somehow totally crap...IRC is older then IM, and IRC has a more common user base..even totally dump people can use irc if they have it started..where as IM they have to know which buddies they have to add...
[06:47] <\sh> in the first place
[06:47] <LaserJock> \sh: anyway, the decision was made, although irssi is still installed by default. So know the irc clients are gaim and irssi :-)
[06:48] <\sh> lets replace irssi with centericq with irc support...
[06:48] <\sh> I wonder who will cry then ;)
[06:49] <\sh> simplifying gnome is one thing, but reducing functionality is the other..and proposing broken software like gaim is totally crap
[06:52] <Toadstool> siretart: here?
[06:54] <LaserJock> \sh: I know "Ubuntu, sponsored by the bug fixing talents of bddebian" ;-)
[06:54] <bddebian> Give me a break
[06:54] <\sh> rotfl..yeah that's a good one
[06:56] <dholbach> \sh: can you stop bickering?
[06:56] <ohoel> do any of you have a nice changelog formatter plugin of sorts for gedit handy?
[06:56] <\sh> dholbach: i'm doing what?
[06:56] <dholbach> It's different to propose something a solution or elaborate on a problem than to rant for ten minutes.
[06:57] <dholbach> "what drugs are they using?" ...
[06:57] <LaserJock> ohoel: hmm, that would be interesting to have. I don't know of any.
[06:58] <\sh> dholbach: aehm....that's nothing to worry about....I'm not bickering...
[06:58] <LaserJock> dholbach: my only concern was that the decision process didn't seem to be apparent at all. Did the desktop team make that decision?
[06:58] <dholbach> It's inappropriate, that's all I'm saying.
[06:58] <ohoel> LaserJock: I was advised to grab gedit off cvs as it has support for pyton in the text snippets plugin, but thought I'd ask here before I go churning ;)
[06:58] <dholbach> LaserJock: Voicing concerns is fine with me - but it depends how that's done.
[06:59] <dholbach> No, the Desktop Team didn't make that decision.
[06:59] <LaserJock> who did? do you know?
[06:59] <dholbach> Take the discussion to the mailing list - but I suppose it was discussed already.
[07:00] <\sh> dholbach: well, it's gnome anyways..but the decision was wrong, imho, and I never saw any discussion on u-d about it...
[07:00] <dholbach> \sh: I appreciate that you have concerns and want to discuss them. It's just the questions *how* you do that.
[07:01] <\sh> dholbach: I think "what drugs are they using" and kamions "when I'm not totally on crack" (from this morning) is quite normal in our area...I didn't insult anybody.
[07:01] <dholbach> Until now I didn't even say if I agree or disagree, but bickering for the sake of it, is completely out of place and I don't want to have that in here. It creates a bad atmosphere and has *no* effect on fixing the issue at all.
[07:02] <\sh> dholbach: so it's wrong to say "someone is totally wrong" just because of someones name and position? or don't I get the point?
[07:02] <dholbach> No, you're complaining and make snide remarks.
[07:03] <dholbach> \sh lets replace irssi with centericq with irc support...
[07:03] <dholbach> etc
[07:03] <\sh> dholbach: yes? that's what's "replacing xchat with gaim" is
[07:03] <dholbach> I personally think that gaim is not a nice irc client either
[07:03] <\sh> so where is that bickering?
[07:03] <dholbach> but that's not the point
[07:04] <dholbach> " well, to be frank, email is more used then IM or IRC..so why not remove IM and IRC? these thoughts are somehow totally crap..."
[07:04] <dholbach> that's bickering
[07:04] <dholbach> you know that it doesn't change anything, but you're just complaining
[07:07] <\sh> it's my opinion..it's not bickering, but if you see it this way, please do
[07:10] <Gloubiboulga> bddebian, I think you've uploaded a new xmedcon package (with dh_iconcache), right?
[07:11] <bddebian> Gloubiboulga: Hmm, sounds familiar.  Did I break it?
[07:12] <Gloubiboulga> bddebian, not at all, but it's not added on the wiki page :)
[07:12] <bddebian> Doh :-(
[07:12] <Gloubiboulga> bddebian, I'm editing it, I can file the cell for you
[07:19] <zyga> hey motus
[07:20] <bddebian> Heya zyga
[07:23] <LaserJock> ok, so anybody interested in science is welcome to come over to #ubuntu-science!
[07:24] <bddebian> Science is for geeks ;-P
[07:24] <LaserJock> actually it's for nerds but whatever
[07:26] <tseng> hi bddebian
[07:26] <bddebian> Heya tseng
[07:41] <Se7h> hi all
[07:42] <bddebian> Hello Se7h
[07:42] <Se7h> LaserJock, isn't gstreamer-rtp available ?
[07:42] <Se7h> hi bddebian
[07:50] <Tonio_> hi
[07:50] <bddebian> Heya Tonio_
[07:52] <LaserJock> Se7h: hmm?
[07:52] <Se7h> gstreamer0.8-rtp
[07:52] <LaserJock> Se7h: what about it?
[07:53] <tseng> nothing is using gstreamer 0.8
[07:53] <Se7h> where is it?
[07:53] <Se7h> lol
[07:53] <tseng> on my system
[07:53] <Se7h> :> cute
[07:56] <Se7h> another issue
[07:57] <Se7h> gstreamer-plugins-good wont upgrade for a dep of libcdio3, witch isnt available (only libcdio6)
[08:31] <chantra> hi, is there any admin around?
[08:31] <warpforge> do you have a question?
[08:31] <LaserJock> chantra: admin of what?
[08:32] <chantra> yep, I've uploaded a package t revu (updated one), but it doesn't seem to have made its way up?
[08:32] <chantra> revu
[08:32] <chantra> LaserJock: revu
[08:32] <tseng> siretart and siretart
[08:32] <tseng> uh
[08:32] <tseng> and sistpoty
[08:32] <chantra> cool cheers ;)
[08:32] <pygi> tseng: heh 
[08:32] <LaserJock> chantra: did you upload a source package? *_source.changes?
[08:32] <chantra> siretart: I've uploaded gaim-2.0.0beta3
[08:33] <chantra> LaserJock: yep
[08:33] <LaserJock> chantra: how long ago?
[08:33] <chantra> Good signature on /home/tman/packages/gaim/gaim_2.0.0beta3-2ubuntu0_source.changes.
[08:33] <chantra> Checking Signature on .dsc
[08:33] <chantra> LaserJock: about 1h1/2 ago
[08:33] <chantra> should i just reupload it?
[08:34] <chantra> ended with Successfully uploaded packages.
[08:34] <chantra> :)
[08:35] <xixaq> hello people. I'm wondering. I've installed all of the repositories that come with ubuntu. I notice that some programs are listed twice. Isn't that a waste of space? :)
[08:35] <LaserJock> chantra: gaim_2.0.0beta3-2ubuntu0 ?
[08:35] <LaserJock> xixaq: like what?
[08:35] <chantra> LaserJock: yep, that's it
[08:36] <LaserJock> chantra: it's there
[08:36] <chantra> even I cleared my firefox cache, I still see gaim_2.0.0beta3-0ubuntu1_source.changes
[08:36] <chantra> on revu.tauware
[08:37] <warpforge> xixaq: There's a reason I didn't refer you to #ubuntu-motu. Your question doesn't need answering by admins.
[08:37] <xixaq> LaserJock: like python2.4-schoolbell and schoolbell.
[08:37] <LaserJock> chantra: what url are you going to?
[08:37] <LaserJock> xixaq: those are duplicates
[08:37] <LaserJock> s/are/aren't/
[08:38] <xixaq> oh.. Sorry :)
[08:38] <chantra> LaserJock: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2288
[08:38] <LaserJock> xixaq: no problem
[08:38] <Riddell> dholbach: are you doing the upstream version freeze exceptions for universe?
[08:39] <LaserJock> chantra: each upload gets a new upid. go back to the main revu web page and reload it
[08:39] <LaserJock> chantra: for instance, http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2318 ;-)
[08:40] <chantra> arf LaserJock , sorry for that. As the previous one was still reloadiing fine I thought it was all good
[08:41] <chantra> :p
[08:41] <LaserJock> chantra: yeah, revu has each upload seperated
[08:42] <LaserJock> xixaq: sometimes the packages seem redundant but they actually have a purpose
[08:43] <LaserJock> xixaq: python packages are especially that way because they are byte compiled for each python version so there is a package for each python version (2.3 and 2.4)
[08:46] <lucas> I hate it when firefox crashes and I have > 10 tabs opened
[08:47] <lucas> LaserJock: you might be able to help me. what do you use for bibliography management ?
[08:47] <xixaq> LaserJock: I see. I just noticed that everything was identical, except the name. Version and description. Thought I'd make myself useful and report it. :) Perhaps I should wait until I learn more about how stuff works in this environment.
[08:48] <LaserJock> lucas: ack, nothing right now. I'll be starting writing my dissertation soon and I'll have to use some sort of bib manager for latex
[08:48] <lucas> have you considered using citeulike.org ?
[08:49] <LaserJock> xixaq: oh, np. thanks for look out for stuff. that is what makes Ubuntu rock. you are  welcome to hang out here and learn more about how it all works
[08:49] <xixaq> thank you. :)
[08:50] <LaserJock> lucas: looks pretty cool
[09:24] <LaserJock> dholbach or slomo: so can I upload a new praat now or do I need to wait for something else?
[09:54] <\sh> ok gentlemen, I'll see some of you during the linuxtag :)
[10:48] <LaserJock> crimsun: hello
[10:48] <crimsun> hi LaserJock
[10:51] <ajmitch> hi
[10:52] <crimsun> hi ajmitch
[11:04] <LaserJock> CC meeting is on
[11:12] <LaserJock> dholbach: did you happen to see my earlier question about the praat UVFe ?
[11:12] <crimsun> sigh, here we go again in #ubuntu
[11:12] <ajmitch> LaserJock: yes, sorry I didn't get back to you about testing that
[11:13] <dholbach> LaserJock: it'll be set to confirmed when it's ready - i'll have another look later - i
[11:13] <dholbach> m on the phone
[11:13] <LaserJock> dholbach: ok, fine. no problem
[11:14] <LaserJock> crimsun: what's going on?
[11:14] <crimsun> same shit as yesterday, excuse my language please
[11:15] <crimsun> I'm getting to the point where if Kyozabe1 says anything to me, I'm going to stand up and walk away.
[11:16] <lucas> crimsun: too much IRCing lately ? :)
[11:16] <crimsun> yeah, I think I reached that point about ten years ago
[11:17] <crimsun> anyhow, I'm ignoring him for everyone's sanity, since I'm sure you guys don't need to hear about it.
[11:17] <LaserJock> crimsun: I honestly don't know how you can spend so much time on #ubuntu
[11:22] <zul> heylo
[11:22] <ajmitch> hi zul
[11:23] <zul> hey ajmitch
[11:37] <bpuccio> hmmm, anyone know why I've been banned from #ubuntu? I haven't said anything all day, I just lurk there, found out I got banned when I just got home now
[11:46] <ajmitch> bpuccio: most likely tor again
[11:47] <bpuccio> ajmitch: damn and I thought I had filtered out all of the exit ports, time to look into locking it down further... I wonder if my ISP is willing to get me a second IP and how much that will cost
[11:47] <bpuccio> thanks, ajmitch
[11:48] <ajmitch> that was just a guess, but it's fairly common that tor sessions get blocked
[11:48] <ajmitch> not because of your specific one
[11:49] <ajmitch> 17:45 -!- 69 - #ubuntu: ban *!*@tor/session/* [by ChanServ!ChanServ@services., 2588961 secs ago] 
[11:51] <bpuccio> hmm, yeah, I'm not connecting to anything via tor at the moment, but I do run a (pretty locked down) exit node at the rate of 3GB per day of bandwidth, so I'm assuming it nabbed my IP because of that, thanks again
[11:52] <ajmitch> well you're connected to freenode via tor
[11:52] <ajmitch> at least according to whois
[11:54] <bpuccio> nope, don't have tor or privoxy installed on this machine
[11:54] <bpuccio> however a machine on this network (all share the same public IP) is a tor exit node
[11:54] <bpuccio> so it assumes (rightfully so I guess) that since this IP is part of the tor network that I'm connecting via tor
[11:55] <bpuccio> it can't tell the difference
[11:55] <ajmitch> probably
[11:55] <bpuccio> meh, I'm not worried, thanks for your time