=== nomad [n=nomad@c-68-50-246-80.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #edubuntu [12:22] Hello, having a bit of a problem here [12:22] Seems i'm stuck at a 640x480 resolution [12:23] it used to do this , but I could restard and it would go back to 1280x1024 [12:23] but now it seems it wont [12:23] help? [12:24] on a thin client ? or an edubuntu workstation ? [12:25] No, my home computer [12:25] I installed it a couple of days ago [12:25] so an edubuntu workstation install ? [12:25] I suppose [12:25] you suppose ? [12:26] yo need to explicitly select the workstation install, so you should know :) [12:26] yes [12:26] no [12:26] during install I did the default install [12:27] did you try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ? [12:27] Its not a workstation install [12:27] (with sudo indeed) [12:27] in terminal? [12:28] sure [12:28] alright i'll give it a shot [12:35] ogra: so are their any specs for making Edubuntu university freindly (theme, package selection)? [12:38] LaserJock, nope, as i said its a future target, the edubuntu roadmap was: 1) classroom, 2) school, 3) municipality+university [12:38] we're still at 1) [12:39] ok, so do you want to eventually cover 1-3 or do you want 2 to include 1 and 3 to include 2 and 1? [12:39] hmm, that wasn't exactly a very clear sentence [12:40] heh [12:40] but yes, 3 will include 1 and 2 [12:41] ok [12:41] the plan was to grow slowly to become a university and municipality capable system like skolelinux [12:43] I'm also interested in the targeting with respect to individual users or computer labs. LTSP is obviously in the computer lab end, but I would think there would also be a lot of use for individual users [12:43] for Edubuntu, not LTSP [12:43] yeo [12:43] err yep [12:43] thats why we added the worksattion option early [12:44] the "plain" theme is the first careful step towards older users and university environments [12:45] so in the end you want a distro that is suitable (and useful) for educational use no matter what scale or educational setting [12:45] that is a pretty tall order [12:45] yep [12:45] skolelinux is the bar [12:45] I'll check it out [12:45] i didnt know that where the long term plans, but looks promising [12:45] do you think 1 CD has enough room for that? [12:46] but i (and sabdfl as well) am realistic, 3 wont happen soon [12:46] ogra: but I think the workstation end could be fairly reachable [12:46] LaserJock, i doubt that, but lets see what happens on the CD front [12:47] I was thinking that, in general, universities have good interenet connections and so maybe more could be pushed to installing over the internet rather than the cd [12:47] i'd like to switch to two CDs in the future, but now that we have shipit support that gets problematic and a cost issue [12:47] sure [12:48] DVD is no option either, because a huge amount of our users sits in countries that can just afford a CD rom [12:49] I agree, I haven't used DVD distro much either, even though I have a DVD burner === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #edubuntu [02:04] hmm, so skolelinux divides it up into server, workstation, thin client server, and standalone === caravena [n=caravena@209-45-112.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #edubuntu === jane_ [n=JaneW@dsl-146-141-13.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === HedgeMage [i=HedgeMag@freenode/staff/HedgeMage] has joined #edubuntu [03:14] hi HedgeMage [03:14] hi LaserJock [03:20] how's it going? === P3L|C4N0 [n=sopmac@200.106.9.122] has joined #edubuntu [03:40] not bad... chasing spambots :P [03:42] uggh === neurogeek [n=neurogee@201.211.166.11] has joined #edubuntu === sm|away is now known as sankarshan === zakame [n=zak@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #edubuntu === LaserJock is now known as Laser_away === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-255-49.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #edubuntu === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #edubuntu === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-255-49.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu === P3L|C4N0 [n=sopmac@200.106.9.122] has joined #edubuntu === HedgeMage [i=HedgeMag@freenode/staff/HedgeMage] has joined #edubuntu === jane_ [n=JaneW@dsl-146-141-13.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === bimberi [n=bimberi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.bimberi] has joined #edubuntu === guim [n=glederer@104.241-200-80.adsl-fix.skynet.be] has joined #edubuntu === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #edubuntu === sankarshan [n=sankarsh@202.149.56.110] has joined #edubuntu === ubotu [n=blootbot@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] has joined #edubuntu === Hannes_ [i=hannes@dna254-92.satp.customers.dnainternet.fi] has joined #edubuntu === Ekushey [i=blackmor@fedora/Ekushey] has joined #edubuntu === lucasvo [n=lucasvo@wservices.ch] has joined #edubuntu === magnon [n=co@c-a368e353.05-27-6f736c2.cust.bredband.no] has joined #edubuntu === enyc [n=enyc@194.154.174.126] has joined #edubuntu === LaserJock is now known as Laser_away [08:08] ogra: poke === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #edubuntu === mode/#edubuntu [+o highvoltage] by ChanServ === jinty [n=jinty@244.Red-83-54-78.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu [08:42] hi JaneW [08:43] hi pygi [08:43] how are you? [08:59] hi! [08:59] o spacey [08:59] mad busy here [08:59] how are you doing? [09:00] looking over the specs for SoC [09:00] student applications, that is [09:00] ok, nice [09:01] we just moved office [09:01] oh, nice === highvoltage says there's an etherboot page for SoC- NICE! [09:07] s/says/sees === mode/#edubuntu [-o highvoltage] by highvoltage === cbx33 [n=c2df514b@mail.trinsite.co.uk] has joined #edubuntu [09:12] highvoltage: heh === HedgeMage peeks in [09:13] hi pygi [09:13] hi cbx33 [09:13] hi all [09:13] hi HedgeMage [09:13] highvoltage: I see the new site is live :) kudos [09:13] cbx33: heya [09:14] oooh [09:14] HedgeMage: yeah, pips1 e-mailed me this morning and told me. [09:14] except the search button still comes up with a access denied message === highvoltage checks [09:16] highvoltage: one bug for ya (it's a layout thing, nothing critical) when I enlarge my browser past a certain point (full screen on my widescreen laptop) the layout stops expanding horizontally as it should, and I end up with whitespace down the right side [09:18] btw, anyone who knows: what's the submission deadline for Cookbook chapters? [09:18] HedgeMage: i think i know what it looks like, but do you mind sending me a screenshot too? [09:18] HedgeMage: everything must be done by May,10 [09:19] highvoltage: np. [09:20] pygi: thanks. We had a bit of army-induced chaos this week so my last chapter didn't get done over the weekend. :( I can take a day or two to catch up, in that case. [09:21] HedgeMage: are all other chapters you intented to wrote on wiki? [09:22] pygi: I'll pop 'em up first thing in the morning... they're on my desktop and I'm in bed. [09:25] highvoltage: have you confirmed the search bug [09:28] ***Note: if I haven't posted the two chapters I have done by morning (10-ish hours from now) someone please nag me relentlessly*** [09:30] :) [09:33] HedgeMage: heh [09:33] This last couple of weeks I've gotten side-tracked a lot (from this as well as other important stuff) and I don't like that. [09:37] highvoltage: ping [09:38] JaneW: thanks for the processing that to Martin [09:39] highvoltage: I just got a reponse from Bob Mutch [09:39] pygi: np :) [09:39] pygi: nice to see you listed as a mentor [09:39] I am glad I can help [09:41] have you seen the n-a application? :-P [09:41] cbx33: yes, i have confirmed it, it will be sorted out today [09:41] JaneW: pong [09:41] JaneW: basicly no info in it =P [09:41] JaneW: and someone wants to reinvent the wheel with that photo application :-/ [09:42] highvoltage: Bob wants to donate ... wait for it [09:42] *drum roll* [09:42] $100 [09:42] LAUGH [09:42] bhahaahaha [09:43] in return for credits on our site. Sounds like cheap advertising to me... [09:43] JaneW: yep [09:43] plus he is doing it to 100 OSS projects [09:43] JaneW: $100 won't buy him a pixel [09:43] :-P [09:43] I suspect he can then claim to have worked with/on all those projects... === sankarshan is now known as sm|lunch [09:44] or maybe I am just cynical [09:44] JaneW: perhaps just a little cynical. [09:44] anyway I sent the offer on to silbs so we'll see what she makes of it [09:44] JaneW: i think you're completely right though, he wants to make small contributions to lots of projects on behalf of his company, just so that he can have some kind of claim of being a sponsor to them === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@trider-g7.fabbione.net] has joined #edubuntu === Topic for #edubuntu: Edubuntu - the education version of Ubuntu, download: http://releases.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/5.10/ | Mailing List http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/edubuntu-devel | Wiki: http://wiki.edubuntu.org | Website http://www.edubuntu.org | MEETING: every wednesday at 12:00 UTC | Read before installing: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes | Dapper beta is out http://releases.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/dapper/ === Topic (#edubuntu): set by juliux at Sat Apr 22 16:31:52 2006 [11:59] JaneW: i'll be in a real life meeting too at 14:00, but i'll take laptop with and be 50% there for edubuntu-meeting [12:01] JaneW: we've got someone applying for 4 projects [12:05] JaneW: I will pass that information on [12:05] anything you wish her to try? [12:08] pygi: that's normal [12:09] JaneW: but he wants to do all 4? In one application? [12:09] joy :P [12:09] that sounds a bit extreme [12:09] they are rather small projects, but still =P [12:11] cbx33: ah, well [12:12] pygi: that's a bit insane [12:13] so JaneW , any bits you'd like lisa to try, not being pushy but she's in messsenger at the mo so I can send her feedback :p [12:13] :p [12:14] ask her to look at http://www.gnome-look.org/content/files/34668-mountains.png [12:14] can she do something like that, kind of? or even use that (would it be allowed?) [12:14] really ??? [12:14] you want to put skater kids in the mountains ? [12:14] JaneW: please look at pm === ogra would imagine a sidewalk and a graffitti painted wall in the background [12:15] pygi: I'm getting to the apps [12:15] rather than boldly painted mountains [12:16] pygi: we have several weeks to sort through them so I have to prioritise atsks sorry [12:16] ogra: agreed [12:16] JaneW; no problem [12:16] cbx33: talk to ogra! [12:16] i've said everything :) [12:16] pygi: not that I am not interested, promise [12:17] JaneW: no worries === B4zzA2 [n=chevron_@l2-202-89-181-119.arach.net.au] has joined #edubuntu [12:30] ogra: yes, lets get the grafiti! will be great for the high school kids [12:34] highvoltage, btw, you heavily broke the website yesterday [12:34] using proto.edubuntu.com hardcoded everywhere in the code doesnt work if you shut down proto.e.c :) [12:35] ogra: can you please point out where it is? i didn't hardcode it anywhere, not that i'm aware of at least === highvoltage starts clicking frantically on all the links [12:36] oosh, the ubuntu logo disappeared [12:37] highvoltage, the page simply wasnt there, only the content of the startpage was, no css not one link worked [12:37] you need to ask elmo what he did to make it work [12:38] ogra: i think it might have been a problem on that side, to be honest === cbx33 pokes highvoltage does the search feature work yet... :p [12:38] ogra: i wasn't involved with moving proto to www, it was znarl and elmo [12:38] cbx33: fine, i'll look at it now. but if i get into trouble for doing this on work time i'll blame you! [12:39] I'm kidding [12:39] please do it in your own time, when you have a second [12:40] ogra: i think i know what happened. the only place it was coded in hard was the drupal config file, i think znarl/elmo forgot to do that perhaps? it was in the ticket *shrug* [12:41] ah, that might be it [12:41] he just told me the proto url was hardcoded [12:41] ogra: lisa is working on the wallpaper, she's goign to give us some mock ups as she's going through so we can give comments [12:42] cool ! # [12:42] I'll try to get her into IRC at some point [12:42] I'll try to get her into IRC at some point [12:42] orry bout that [12:42] cgi-irc is slow sometimes [12:43] yeah that would be nice :) [12:52] wow, that would mean that we have 3 women in the channel, beeting all the other ubuntu #'s [12:52] then we'll only need like, one more to beat ubuntu-women! [12:52] (joke ^^^) [12:53] highvoltage: heh [12:56] heheheh [12:59] I need to go out for a while, I should be back in good time for the meeting [12:59] enjoy JaneW [01:00] JaneW, dont be late ! [01:00] please :p [01:00] its our first EC meeting ;) [01:00] ogra: I know sorry, sudden crisis to sort out [01:01] ogra: I will be back though [01:01] good :) [01:02] highvoltage: It's a shame I'm not in South Africa [01:02] I have some computers I could donate to you [01:05] cbx33: we can't keep up with computer donations ;) they come in faster than we can get them to schools. [01:05] build cluster then :) [01:05] :) [01:05] openmosix4ltsp === ogra imagines 4-6 486 PCs at every desk [01:06] but they would be as powerful as a PII :) [01:06] ogra: we're already 'throwing away' PII's :) [01:06] haha [01:06] ok, so a cluster of 4-6 PII PCs :) [01:07] might make a P4 then :) [01:07] ogra: the 'old junk' that comes by heaps from overseas these days are high-end PII's and PIII's :) [01:07] yeh that's what it would be [01:07] I have some 1Ghz [01:07] but they wouldn;'t be for a while yet [01:09] that's also why the total thin client stuff is getting more and more obsolete. when your donated equipment becomes 1ghz PC's with 128MB ram and higher, it makes sense running apps locally. [01:09] i think diskless machines will get much more popular though. [01:09] yes [01:09] i'm surprised that so many companies still use machines with local disks. it adds so much costs. [01:09] totally, [01:10] local apps would be of much use to us [01:10] hmm, the debian ltsp crew makes local swap their first target for next release it seems ... [01:10] strange [01:10] that is strange :) [01:10] its trivial to implement [01:10] for the few MB you're going to swap, you can just as well do it over the network :) [01:10] i wouldnt even waste a thought on it [01:11] i agree with that for local swap. network swap is important though (meaning, some swap at leasT) [01:11] yes, but doing local swap detection is implementable in about 5 lines anyway [01:11] heh [01:11] i wonder why they think its so important [01:11] ah, i see what you mean. [01:11] I'd like to see local apps coming through [01:12] first local devices implemented right [01:12] oh yeh [01:12] thats my no.1 priority for eft [01:12] local devices, then local apps, i would say. [01:12] and then swap over network. [01:12] local apps is hard to get right [01:12] swap to local disk would be about #1044 on the list for me :) [01:12] i'd move nbd swap one up ;) === highvoltage is fine with that :) [01:13] the ltsp.org implementation for local apps is awful [01:13] really? [01:13] i knew it wasn't spectacular, but i didn't know it was /that/ bad. [01:13] running an sshd on every client etc [01:13] it uses fuse, right? [01:13] local apps ? [01:14] fuse ? [01:14] nope [01:14] aagh, sorry, i was thinking of local disk access [01:14] thats localdev [01:14] heh [01:14] yes, the local apps on ltsp.org is horrible. i've only played with it once, but couldn't figure out how to script it so that it will be nice and automated for the users. [01:14] ltsp.org is horrific implmentation [01:15] and I'm going to try to get easy docs and possibly script for AD integrtation [01:15] we should start calling it legacy LTSP or something, since ltsp.org will standardise on meukow some day :) [01:15] (we hope) [01:16] heh [01:17] 40 mins to meeting [01:22] ogra: on an LTSP server, with server board and dual Xeon CPU, would you suggest a 686-smp kernel, or the ubuntu server kernel? [01:23] to be honest i didnt check the difference yet [01:23] any ideas for more characters lisa can draw [01:23] so i'd personally go with -686-smp because i know it :) [01:23] does she have a football player? [01:23] not sure [01:24] that seems to be big with many kids. [01:24] and a rapper. [01:24] and a surfer. [01:25] ok will ask her [01:25] yes, dont overload it [01:25] rather put more time into a good background [01:25] ogra: yes, [01:26] highvoltage: mentioned he may use some of the different characters elsewhere too [01:26] yeah, but there's no plan for that yet. do as ogra says :) [01:27] okie === spacey_ [n=herman@83.137.151.2] has joined #edubuntu [01:35] highvoltage, ogra: regarding server kernels - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2006-February/000081.html (para 5) [01:37] bimberi, the bigiron kernels are for NUMA systems [01:37] i'd be impressed if highvoltage had a NUMA Xeon server :) [01:37] ogra: NUMA? === bimberi googles [01:38] ... and gets lots of hits :) [01:38] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-Uniform_Memory_Access [01:38] ogra: i would too :) [01:38] SGI altrix is a typical NUMA system [01:39] bimberi: the thing is, how would that kernel perform on an LTSP server? [01:39] ogra: thanks [01:39] bimberi: the standard kernel can only see up to 3GB RAM on the new intel server boards, so for that we already need a server kernel in tuxlabs for our servers with 4GB RAM [01:40] WOW [01:40] but there are other server kernels we provide not listed in that mail you posted [01:40] bimberi: so i'm very interested to see the effect of the other differences as well [01:40] highvoltage: don't know sorry - but as its running desktop apps my reading is that you'd want PREEMPT enabled [01:42] that's my thinking too. although, on an ltsp network, it's a bit different again, since things are going to get laggy anyway on a big network, and when that server gets under high load, would it be possibly better to not have PREEMPT? I suppose there's really just one way to find out :) [01:42] yeah === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu [01:43] hey jsgotangco [01:43] hi [01:43] hi highvoltage [01:43] whats the alternative? cooperative mulit tasking? [01:43] oops [01:43] hi jsgotangco [01:43] highvoltage: salut mr. councilman [01:44] lucasvo: i have no idea. /me should do some more reading there [01:44] :) [01:44] heheh [01:44] highvoltage: I can suggest CS162 from berkeley [01:44] I am back! [01:44] JaneW: hi [01:44] it's a good podcast on os-design [01:44] w00t [01:45] crap! school starts at 13:05 GMT [01:45] :( [01:45] lucasvo: thanks, i'll google it :) [01:45] **Reminder** Edubuntu meeting in #ubuntu-meeting at 12:00UTC (+- 15 mins from now). First EC nominations/appointments. [01:45] hey JaneW [01:46] http://www-inst.eecs.berkeley.edu/~cs162/sp06/ === littlepaul [n=ubuntu1@217.19.180.111] has joined #edubuntu [01:47] ogra: were you able to grab from svn? [01:48] jsgotangco, not yet sorry, other stuff came in my way (like unannounced flight7 builds, which forbid uploads of edubuntu -doc -artwork anyway) [01:49] :( [01:49] unannounced flight 7??? [01:49] gahh === jsgotangco notices -devel [01:49] yep [01:55] cbx33: I really like the advocay page btw [01:55] advocacy page [01:56] thank you [01:56] we're getting there [01:56] feature freeze on thurs.....shoot tomorrow [01:57] cbx33: why? [01:58] well, I want to start the docbook conversion and the scribus pages etc [01:58] and we need to reorganise into categories [01:58] good luck :) [01:58] that advocacy page will provide some nice web content, i think === Laser_away is now known as LaserJock [01:58] highvoltage: yes [01:59] that's the other aim of it [01:59] highvoltage: yes === JaneW votes cbx33 for web/wiki content manager [01:59] (and highvoltage too) [01:59] fight over it :) === cbx33 decides to work with highvoltage [01:59] JaneW, highvoltage will be busy witzh approving new members :P [01:59] i'd be happy to give cbx33 admin rights on the edubuntu website. [01:59] ogra: good point [01:59] ogra: hehe :) [01:59] :) [02:00] highvoltage: once he has jumped through the flaming EC hoops ;) [02:00] eeeeeeeek === JaneW gets the gasoline [02:00] bring it on! === cbx33 puts on his flame retardant gear === ogra waits for JaneW's start-ping for the meeting [02:01] ping === highvoltage carries laptop to quiet corner in office where no one will see him [02:02] JaneW, pfft, no stars etc ? [02:02] ***P*I*N*G*** [02:02] hehe [02:02] hi Bluekuja [02:05] hi jon :) === Petaris [n=Petaris@216.56.37.162] has joined #edubuntu === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu [02:33] thank you everyone === kjcole [n=kjcole@ubuntu/member/kjcole] has joined #edubuntu [02:36] cbx33: thank you for contributing to the community ;-) [02:36] np [02:36] < ditto! [02:36] highvoltage: did you want me to help out on the wiki? [02:36] cbx33: the wiki needs a clean-up quite badly :) [02:37] cbx33: old pages that applies to old ltsp, some pages that should move to the website, we'll talk about it later [02:37] cbx33: but it's a definate yes :) [02:37] ok sure [02:47] w00t my article got published http://linuxgazette.net/121/savage.html :D === highvoltage reads [02:49] hehe [02:51] cbx33: this should help you [02:51] cbx33: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TakingScreenshots [02:51] jsgotangco: ooh nice [02:51] then just use pngcrush to make the pngs smaller in size [02:51] yes some of those shots do need redoing [02:52] it'll give you better screenshots [02:52] and need more,......detail [02:52] like showing the app in use === ogra_ [n=ogra@p548AE622.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu [03:08] cbx33: hmm, so what about the change in color scheme when it comes to the advocacy page? [03:08] I'm not sure yet [03:09] but to be fair It'll just afect the screenshots and the scribus pages [03:09] which are only in draft form anyway [03:09] k [03:11] cbx33 [03:11] yes [03:12] will you be available later? [03:12] probably [03:12] ok, so only once a month we are considering Edubuntu memberships, right? [03:12] yep [03:12] Bluekuja: you could have waited a day :-) [03:12] ok i have to go now [03:12] heheh [03:13] see ya later Bluekuja [03:13] laserjock : hehe [03:13] but im also an edubuntu member too [03:13] teams are linked [03:13] Bluekuja: no - ubuntu member only (atm) [03:14] oh [03:14] Bluekuja: it's the other way around - edubuntu members are automatically ubuntu members [03:14] oh okie [03:14] yes, thats right [03:14] bimberi tnx [03:15] Bluekuja: np - and congratulations again! :) [03:15] indeed congrats man [03:15] JaneW: that ok? https://wiki.edubuntu.org/JonathanCarter/emblem?action=show [03:15] you went up against the big guns :p [03:16] bimberi: thanks very much :) [03:16] ok ill return later [03:16] bye Bluekuja [03:16] cya all and good afternoon [03:16] ;) [03:16] cya Bluekuja [03:16] highvoltage: great! [03:18] highvoltage: I don't think we have a EC LP do we? I think it is just Edubuntu Members [03:19] LaserJock: ogra mentioned one, i'm looking for it now... === yvesC [n=yves@zenobi.ycombe.net] has joined #edubuntu [03:19] there is no EC lp is there? [03:19] highvoltage: I thought the EC was just the Admins on the Edubuntu Members team [03:20] LaserJock: no, there doesn't seem to be one [03:20] i thought ogra said that edubuntu-members ADministrators were the EC members [03:20] LaserJock: it seems that that is the case, yes [03:21] damn ik missed the meeting again didn't i [03:21] yep [03:22] highvoltage: I'm curious why the add-on cd is under Products in LP [03:22] highvoltage: shouldn't it be under Specifications? [03:23] LaserJock: hmmm.. i think i was confused and in a rush when i did that [03:23] LaserJock: i'll move it to specs, on some level i thought products = specs i think [03:24] well, I don't know (LP can be fun that way) but I thought I might mention it [03:26] interesting, I found this on the LAMS website: [03:26] NB: For administrators seeking a low cost Unix platform for LAMS, we recommend Debian or Ubuntu Linux. For comments or suggestions for installing LAMS on these platforms, have a look at this thread in the LAMS Community. [03:27]