[12:22] <nomad> Hello, having a bit of a problem here
[12:22] <nomad> Seems i'm stuck at a 640x480 resolution
[12:23] <nomad> it used to do this , but I could restard and it would go back to 1280x1024
[12:23] <nomad> but now it seems it wont
[12:23] <nomad> help?
[12:24] <ogra> on a thin client ? or an edubuntu workstation ? 
[12:25] <nomad> No, my home computer
[12:25] <nomad> I installed it a couple of days ago
[12:25] <ogra> so an edubuntu workstation install ? 
[12:25] <nomad> I suppose
[12:25] <ogra> you suppose ? 
[12:26] <ogra> yo need to explicitly select the workstation install, so you should know :)
[12:26] <nomad> yes
[12:26] <nomad> no
[12:26] <nomad> during install I did the default install
[12:27] <ogra> did you try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ? 
[12:27] <nomad> Its not a workstation install
[12:27] <ogra> (with sudo indeed)
[12:27] <nomad> in terminal?
[12:28] <ogra> sure
[12:28] <nomad> alright i'll give it a shot
[12:35] <LaserJock> ogra: so are their any specs for making Edubuntu university freindly (theme, package selection)?
[12:38] <ogra> LaserJock, nope, as i said its a future target, the edubuntu roadmap was: 1) classroom, 2) school, 3) municipality+university
[12:38] <ogra> we're still at 1)
[12:39] <LaserJock> ok, so do you want to eventually cover 1-3 or do you want 2 to include 1 and 3 to include 2 and 1?
[12:39] <LaserJock> hmm, that wasn't exactly a very clear sentence
[12:40] <ogra> heh
[12:40] <ogra> but yes, 3 will include 1 and 2
[12:41] <LaserJock> ok
[12:41] <ogra> the plan was to grow slowly to become a university and municipality capable system like skolelinux
[12:43] <LaserJock> I'm also interested in the targeting with respect to individual users or computer labs. LTSP is obviously in the computer lab end, but I would think there would also be a lot of use for individual users
[12:43] <LaserJock> for Edubuntu, not LTSP
[12:43] <ogra> yeo
[12:43] <ogra> err yep
[12:43] <ogra> thats why we added the worksattion option early 
[12:44] <ogra> the "plain" theme is the first careful step towards older users and university environments
[12:45] <LaserJock> so in the end you want a distro that is suitable (and useful) for educational use no matter what scale or educational setting
[12:45] <LaserJock> that is a pretty tall order
[12:45] <ogra> yep
[12:45] <ogra> skolelinux is the bar 
[12:45] <LaserJock> I'll check it out
[12:45] <Sergi0> i didnt know that where the long term plans, but looks promising
[12:45] <LaserJock> do you think 1 CD has enough room for that?
[12:46] <ogra> but i (and sabdfl as well) am realistic, 3 wont happen soon
[12:46] <LaserJock> ogra: but I think the workstation end could be fairly reachable
[12:46] <ogra> LaserJock, i doubt that, but lets see what happens on the CD front
[12:47] <LaserJock> I was thinking that, in general, universities have good interenet connections and so maybe more could be pushed to installing over the internet rather than the cd
[12:47] <ogra> i'd like to switch to two CDs in the future, but now that we have shipit support that gets problematic and a cost issue
[12:47] <LaserJock> sure
[12:48] <ogra> DVD is no option either, because a huge amount of our users sits in countries that can just afford a CD rom 
[12:49] <LaserJock> I agree, I haven't used DVD distro much either, even though I have a DVD burner
[02:04] <LaserJock> hmm, so skolelinux divides it up into server, workstation, thin client server, and standalone
[03:14] <LaserJock> hi HedgeMage 
[03:14] <HedgeMage> hi LaserJock 
[03:20] <LaserJock> how's it going?
[03:40] <HedgeMage> not bad... chasing spambots :P
[03:42] <LaserJock> uggh
[08:08] <pygi> ogra: poke
[08:42] <pygi> hi JaneW
[08:43] <JaneW> hi pygi 
[08:43] <pygi> how are you? 
[08:59] <spacey> hi!
[08:59] <pygi> o spacey 
[08:59] <spacey> mad busy here
[08:59] <spacey> how are you doing?
[09:00] <pygi> looking over the specs for SoC
[09:00] <pygi> student applications, that is
[09:00] <spacey> ok, nice
[09:01] <spacey> we just moved office
[09:01] <pygi> oh, nice 
[09:07] <highvoltage> s/says/sees
[09:12] <pygi> highvoltage: heh
[09:13] <cbx33> hi pygi 
[09:13] <pygi> hi cbx33
[09:13] <HedgeMage> hi all
[09:13] <cbx33> hi HedgeMage 
[09:13] <HedgeMage> highvoltage: I see the new site is live :) kudos
[09:13] <HedgeMage> cbx33: heya
[09:14] <cbx33> oooh
[09:14] <highvoltage> HedgeMage: yeah, pips1 e-mailed me this morning and told me.
[09:14] <cbx33> except the search button still comes up with a access denied message
[09:16] <HedgeMage> highvoltage: one bug for ya (it's a layout thing, nothing critical) when I enlarge my browser past a certain point (full screen on my widescreen laptop) the layout stops expanding horizontally as it should, and I end up with whitespace down the right side
[09:18] <HedgeMage> btw, anyone who knows: what's the submission deadline for Cookbook chapters?
[09:18] <highvoltage> HedgeMage: i think i know what it looks like, but do you mind sending me a screenshot too?
[09:18] <pygi> HedgeMage: everything must be done by May,10
[09:19] <HedgeMage> highvoltage: np.
[09:20] <HedgeMage> pygi: thanks.  We had a bit of army-induced chaos this week so my last chapter didn't get done over the weekend. :(  I can take a day or two to catch up, in that case.
[09:21] <pygi> HedgeMage: are all other chapters you intented to wrote on wiki?
[09:22] <HedgeMage> pygi: I'll pop 'em up first thing in the morning... they're on my desktop and I'm in bed.
[09:25] <cbx33> highvoltage: have you confirmed the search bug
[09:28] <HedgeMage> ***Note: if I haven't posted the two chapters I have done by morning (10-ish hours from now) someone please nag me relentlessly***
[09:30] <HedgeMage> :)
[09:33] <pygi> HedgeMage: heh 
[09:33] <HedgeMage> This last couple of weeks I've gotten side-tracked a lot (from this as well as other important stuff) and I don't like that.
[09:37] <JaneW> highvoltage: ping
[09:38] <pygi> JaneW: thanks for the processing that to Martin
[09:39] <JaneW> highvoltage: I just got a reponse from Bob Mutch
[09:39] <JaneW> pygi: np :)
[09:39] <JaneW> pygi: nice to see you listed as a mentor
[09:39] <pygi> I am glad I can help 
[09:41] <pygi> have you seen the n-a application? :-P
[09:41] <highvoltage> cbx33: yes, i have confirmed it, it will be sorted out today
[09:41] <highvoltage> JaneW: pong
[09:41] <pygi> JaneW: basicly no info in it =P
[09:41] <pygi> JaneW: and someone wants to reinvent the wheel with that photo application :-/
[09:42] <JaneW> highvoltage: Bob wants to donate ... wait for it
[09:42] <JaneW> *drum roll*
[09:42] <JaneW> $100
[09:42] <JaneW> LAUGH
[09:42] <highvoltage> bhahaahaha
[09:43] <JaneW> in return for credits on our site. Sounds like cheap advertising to me...
[09:43] <highvoltage> JaneW: yep
[09:43] <JaneW> plus he is doing it to 100 OSS projects
[09:43] <highvoltage> JaneW: $100 won't buy him a pixel
[09:43] <pygi> :-P
[09:43] <JaneW> I suspect he can then claim to have worked with/on all those projects...
[09:44] <JaneW> or maybe I am just cynical
[09:44] <highvoltage> JaneW: perhaps just a little cynical.
[09:44] <JaneW> anyway I sent the offer on to silbs so we'll see what she makes of it
[09:44] <highvoltage> JaneW: i think you're completely right though, he wants to make small contributions to lots of projects on behalf of his company, just so that he can have some kind of claim of being a sponsor to them
[11:59] <highvoltage> JaneW: i'll be in a real life meeting too at 14:00, but i'll take laptop with and be 50% there for edubuntu-meeting
[12:01] <pygi> JaneW: we've got someone applying for 4 projects 
[12:05] <cbx33> JaneW: I will pass that information on
[12:05] <cbx33> anything you wish her to try?
[12:08] <JaneW> pygi: that's normal
[12:09] <pygi> JaneW: but he wants to do all 4? In one application?
[12:09] <pygi> joy :P
[12:09] <cbx33> that sounds a bit extreme
[12:09] <pygi> they are rather small projects, but still =P
[12:11] <pygi> cbx33: ah, well 
[12:12] <JaneW> pygi: that's a bit insane
[12:13] <cbx33> so JaneW , any bits you'd like lisa to try, not being pushy but she's in messsenger at the mo so I can send her feedback :p
[12:13] <cbx33> :p
[12:14] <JaneW> ask her to look at http://www.gnome-look.org/content/files/34668-mountains.png
[12:14] <JaneW> can she do something like that, kind of? or even use that (would it be allowed?)
[12:14] <ogra> really ???
[12:14] <ogra> you want to put skater kids in the mountains ?
[12:14] <pygi> JaneW: please look at pm
[12:15] <JaneW> pygi: I'm getting to the apps
[12:15] <ogra> rather than boldly painted mountains
[12:16] <JaneW> pygi: we have several weeks to sort through them so I have to prioritise atsks sorry
[12:16] <JaneW> ogra: agreed
[12:16] <pygi> JaneW; no problem
[12:16] <JaneW> cbx33: talk to ogra!
[12:16] <ogra> i've said everything :)
[12:16] <JaneW> pygi: not that I am not interested, promise
[12:17] <pygi> JaneW: no worries
[12:30] <highvoltage> ogra: yes, lets get the grafiti! will be great for the high school kids
[12:34] <ogra> highvoltage, btw, you heavily broke the website yesterday
[12:34] <ogra> using proto.edubuntu.com hardcoded everywhere in the code doesnt work if you shut down proto.e.c :)
[12:35] <highvoltage> ogra: can you please point out where it is? i didn't hardcode it anywhere, not that i'm aware of at least
[12:36] <highvoltage> oosh, the ubuntu logo disappeared
[12:37] <ogra> highvoltage, the page simply wasnt there, only the content of the startpage was, no css not one link worked
[12:37] <ogra> you need to ask elmo what he did to make it work
[12:38] <highvoltage> ogra: i think it might have been a problem on that side, to be honest
[12:38] <highvoltage> ogra: i wasn't involved with moving proto to www, it was znarl and elmo
[12:38] <highvoltage> cbx33: fine, i'll look at it now. but if i get into trouble for doing this on work time i'll blame you!
[12:39] <cbx33> I'm kidding
[12:39] <cbx33> please do it in your own time, when you have a second
[12:40] <highvoltage> ogra: i think i know what happened. the only place it was coded in hard was the drupal config file, i think znarl/elmo forgot to do that perhaps? it was in the ticket *shrug*
[12:41] <ogra> ah, that might be it
[12:41] <ogra> he just told me the proto url was hardcoded
[12:41] <cbx33> ogra: lisa is working on the wallpaper, she's goign to give us some mock ups as she's going through so we can give comments
[12:42] <ogra> cool ! #
[12:42] <cbx33> I'll try to get her into IRC at some point
[12:42] <cbx33> I'll try to get her into IRC at some point
[12:42] <cbx33> orry bout that
[12:42] <cbx33> cgi-irc is slow sometimes
[12:43] <ogra> yeah that would be nice :)
[12:52] <highvoltage> wow, that would mean that we have 3 women in the channel, beeting all the other ubuntu #'s
[12:52] <highvoltage> then we'll only need like, one more to beat ubuntu-women!
[12:52] <highvoltage> (joke ^^^)
[12:53] <pygi> highvoltage: heh
[12:56] <cbx33> heheheh
[12:59] <JaneW> I need to go out for a while, I should be back in good time for the meeting
[12:59] <pygi> enjoy JaneW
[01:00] <ogra> JaneW, dont be late !
[01:00] <cbx33> please :p
[01:00] <ogra> its our first EC meeting ;)
[01:00] <JaneW> ogra: I know sorry, sudden crisis to sort out
[01:01] <JaneW> ogra: I will be back though
[01:01] <ogra> good :)
[01:02] <cbx33> highvoltage: It's a shame I'm not in South Africa
[01:02] <cbx33> I have some computers I could donate to you
[01:05] <highvoltage> cbx33: we can't keep up with computer donations ;) they come in faster than we can get them to schools.
[01:05] <ogra> build cluster then :)
[01:05] <highvoltage> :)
[01:05] <highvoltage> openmosix4ltsp
[01:06] <ogra> but they would be as powerful as a PII :)
[01:06] <highvoltage> ogra: we're already 'throwing away' PII's :)
[01:06] <ogra> haha
[01:06] <ogra> ok, so a cluster of 4-6 PII PCs :) 
[01:07] <ogra> might make a P4 then :)
[01:07] <highvoltage> ogra: the 'old junk' that comes by heaps from overseas these days are high-end PII's and PIII's :)
[01:07] <cbx33> yeh that's what it would be
[01:07] <cbx33> I have some 1Ghz
[01:07] <cbx33> but they wouldn;'t be for a while yet
[01:09] <highvoltage> that's also why the total thin client stuff is getting more and more obsolete. when your donated equipment becomes 1ghz PC's with 128MB ram and higher, it makes sense running apps locally.
[01:09] <highvoltage> i think diskless machines will get much more popular though.
[01:09] <cbx33> yes
[01:09] <highvoltage> i'm surprised that so many companies still use machines with local disks. it adds so much costs.
[01:09] <cbx33> totally,
[01:10] <cbx33> local apps would be of much use to us
[01:10] <ogra> hmm, the debian ltsp crew makes local swap their first target for next release it seems ...
[01:10] <ogra> strange 
[01:10] <highvoltage> that is strange :)
[01:10] <ogra> its trivial to implement 
[01:10] <highvoltage> for the few MB you're going to swap, you can just as well do it over the network :)
[01:10] <ogra> i wouldnt even waste a thought on it 
[01:11] <highvoltage> i agree with that for local swap. network swap is important though (meaning, some swap at leasT)
[01:11] <ogra> yes, but doing local swap detection is implementable in about 5 lines anyway
[01:11] <cbx33> heh
[01:11] <ogra> i wonder why they think its so important
[01:11] <highvoltage> ah, i see what you mean.
[01:11] <cbx33> I'd like to see local apps coming through
[01:12] <ogra> first local devices implemented right
[01:12] <cbx33> oh yeh
[01:12] <ogra> thats my no.1 priority for eft
[01:12] <highvoltage> local devices, then local apps, i would say.
[01:12] <highvoltage> and then swap over network.
[01:12] <ogra> local apps is hard to get right
[01:12] <highvoltage> swap to local disk would be about #1044 on the list for me :)
[01:12] <ogra> i'd move nbd swap one up ;)
[01:13] <ogra> the ltsp.org implementation for local apps is awful
[01:13] <highvoltage> really?
[01:13] <highvoltage> i knew it wasn't spectacular, but i didn't know it was /that/ bad.
[01:13] <ogra> running an sshd on every client etc
[01:13] <highvoltage> it uses fuse, right?
[01:13] <ogra> local apps ? 
[01:14] <ogra> fuse ?
[01:14] <ogra> nope
[01:14] <highvoltage> aagh, sorry, i was thinking of local disk access
[01:14] <ogra> thats localdev
[01:14] <cbx33> heh
[01:14] <highvoltage> yes, the local apps on ltsp.org is horrible. i've only played with it once, but couldn't figure out how to script it so that it will be nice and automated for the users.
[01:14] <cbx33> ltsp.org is horrific implmentation
[01:15] <cbx33> and I'm going to try to get easy docs and possibly script for AD integrtation
[01:15] <highvoltage> we should start calling it legacy LTSP or something, since ltsp.org will standardise on meukow some day :)
[01:15] <highvoltage> (we hope)
[01:16] <cbx33> heh
[01:17] <cbx33> 40 mins to meeting
[01:22] <highvoltage> ogra: on an LTSP server, with server board and dual Xeon CPU, would you suggest a 686-smp kernel, or the ubuntu server kernel?
[01:23] <ogra> to be honest i didnt check the difference yet
[01:23] <cbx33> any ideas for more characters lisa can draw
[01:23] <ogra> so i'd personally go with -686-smp because i know it :)
[01:23] <highvoltage> does she have a football player?
[01:23] <cbx33> not sure
[01:24] <highvoltage> that seems to be big with many kids.
[01:24] <highvoltage> and a rapper.
[01:24] <highvoltage> and a surfer.
[01:25] <cbx33> ok will ask her
[01:25] <ogra> yes, dont overload it
[01:25] <ogra> rather put more time into a good background
[01:25] <cbx33> ogra: yes,
[01:26] <cbx33> highvoltage: mentioned he may use some of the different characters elsewhere too
[01:26] <highvoltage> yeah, but there's no plan for that yet. do as ogra says :)
[01:27] <cbx33> okie
[01:35] <bimberi> highvoltage, ogra: regarding server kernels - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2006-February/000081.html  (para 5)
[01:37] <ogra> bimberi, the bigiron kernels are for NUMA systems 
[01:37] <ogra> i'd be impressed if highvoltage had a NUMA Xeon server :)
[01:37] <bimberi> ogra: NUMA?
[01:38] <bimberi> ... and gets lots of hits :)
[01:38] <ogra> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-Uniform_Memory_Access
[01:38] <highvoltage> ogra: i would too :)
[01:38] <ogra> SGI altrix is a typical NUMA system 
[01:39] <highvoltage> bimberi: the thing is, how would that kernel perform on an LTSP server?
[01:39] <bimberi> ogra: thanks
[01:39] <highvoltage> bimberi: the standard kernel can only see up to 3GB RAM on the new intel server boards, so for that we already need a server kernel in tuxlabs for our servers with 4GB RAM
[01:40] <cbx33> WOW
[01:40] <ogra> but there are other server kernels we provide not listed in that mail you posted
[01:40] <highvoltage> bimberi: so i'm very interested to see the effect of the other differences as well
[01:40] <bimberi> highvoltage: don't know sorry - but as its running desktop apps my reading is that you'd want PREEMPT enabled
[01:42] <highvoltage> that's my thinking too. although, on an ltsp network, it's a bit different again, since things are going to get laggy anyway on a big network, and when that server gets under high load, would it be possibly better to not have PREEMPT? I suppose there's really just one way to find out :)
[01:42] <ogra> yeah
[01:43] <cbx33> hey jsgotangco 
[01:43] <jsgotangco> hi
[01:43] <highvoltage> hi highvoltage
[01:43] <lucasvo> whats the alternative? cooperative mulit tasking?
[01:43] <highvoltage> oops
[01:43] <highvoltage> hi jsgotangco 
[01:43] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: salut mr. councilman
[01:44] <highvoltage> lucasvo: i have no idea. /me should do some more reading there
[01:44] <highvoltage> :)
[01:44] <cbx33> heheh
[01:44] <lucasvo> highvoltage: I can suggest CS162 from berkeley
[01:44] <JaneW> I am back!
[01:44] <jsgotangco> JaneW: hi
[01:44] <lucasvo> it's a good podcast on os-design
[01:44] <cbx33> w00t
[01:45] <lucasvo> crap! school starts at 13:05 GMT
[01:45] <lucasvo> :(
[01:45] <highvoltage> lucasvo: thanks, i'll google it :)
[01:45] <JaneW> **Reminder** Edubuntu meeting in #ubuntu-meeting at 12:00UTC (+- 15 mins from now). First EC nominations/appointments.
[01:45] <ogra> hey JaneW 
[01:46] <lucasvo> http://www-inst.eecs.berkeley.edu/~cs162/sp06/
[01:47] <jsgotangco> ogra: were you able to grab from svn?
[01:48] <ogra> jsgotangco, not yet sorry, other stuff came in my way (like unannounced flight7 builds, which forbid uploads of edubuntu -doc -artwork anyway)
[01:49] <ogra> :(
[01:49] <jsgotangco> unannounced flight 7???
[01:49] <jsgotangco> gahh
[01:49] <ogra> yep
[01:55] <JaneW> cbx33: I really like the advocay page btw
[01:55] <JaneW> advocacy page
[01:56] <cbx33> thank you
[01:56] <cbx33> we're getting there
[01:56] <cbx33> feature freeze on thurs.....shoot tomorrow
[01:57] <jsgotangco> cbx33: why?
[01:58] <cbx33> well, I want to start the docbook conversion and the scribus pages etc
[01:58] <cbx33> and we need to reorganise into categories
[01:58] <jsgotangco> good luck :)
[01:58] <highvoltage> that advocacy page will provide some nice web content, i think
[01:58] <cbx33> highvoltage: yes
[01:59] <cbx33> that's the other aim of it
[01:59] <JaneW> highvoltage: yes
[01:59] <JaneW> (and highvoltage too)
[01:59] <JaneW> fight over it :)
[01:59] <ogra> JaneW, highvoltage will be busy witzh approving new members :P
[01:59] <highvoltage> i'd be happy to give cbx33 admin rights on the edubuntu website.
[01:59] <JaneW> ogra: good point
[01:59] <highvoltage> ogra: hehe :)
[01:59] <ogra> :)
[02:00] <JaneW> highvoltage: once he has jumped through the flaming EC hoops ;)
[02:00] <cbx33> eeeeeeeek
[02:00] <highvoltage> bring it on!
[02:01] <JaneW> ping
[02:02] <ogra> JaneW, pfft, no stars etc ? 
[02:02] <JaneW> ***P*I*N*G***
[02:02] <ogra> hehe
[02:02] <highvoltage> hi Bluekuja 
[02:05] <Bluekuja> hi jon :)
[02:33] <cbx33> thank you everyone
[02:36] <LaserJock> cbx33: thank you for contributing to the community ;-)
[02:36] <cbx33> np
[02:36] <highvoltage> < ditto!
[02:36] <cbx33> highvoltage: did you want me to help out on the wiki?
[02:36] <highvoltage> cbx33: the wiki needs a clean-up quite badly :)
[02:37] <highvoltage> cbx33: old pages that applies to old ltsp, some pages that should move to the website, we'll talk about it later
[02:37] <highvoltage> cbx33: but it's a definate yes :)
[02:37] <cbx33> ok sure
[02:47] <cbx33> w00t my article got published http://linuxgazette.net/121/savage.html :D
[02:49] <cbx33> hehe
[02:51] <jsgotangco> cbx33: this should help you
[02:51] <jsgotangco> cbx33: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TakingScreenshots
[02:51] <cbx33> jsgotangco: ooh nice
[02:51] <jsgotangco> then just use pngcrush to make the pngs smaller in size
[02:51] <cbx33> yes some of those shots do need redoing
[02:52] <jsgotangco> it'll give you better screenshots
[02:52] <cbx33> and need more,......detail
[02:52] <cbx33> like showing the app in use
[03:08] <LaserJock> cbx33: hmm, so what about the change in color scheme when it comes to the advocacy page?
[03:08] <cbx33> I'm not sure yet
[03:09] <cbx33> but to be fair It'll just afect the screenshots and the scribus pages
[03:09] <cbx33> which are only in draft form anyway
[03:09] <LaserJock> k
[03:11] <Bluekuja> cbx33
[03:11] <cbx33> yes
[03:12] <Bluekuja> will you be available later?
[03:12] <cbx33> probably
[03:12] <LaserJock> ok, so only once a month we are considering Edubuntu memberships, right?
[03:12] <Bluekuja> yep
[03:12] <LaserJock> Bluekuja: you could have waited a day :-)
[03:12] <Bluekuja> ok i have to go now
[03:12] <cbx33> heheh
[03:13] <cbx33> see ya later Bluekuja 
[03:13] <Bluekuja> laserjock : hehe
[03:13] <Bluekuja> but im also an edubuntu member too
[03:13] <Bluekuja> teams are linked
[03:13] <bimberi> Bluekuja: no - ubuntu member only (atm)
[03:14] <Bluekuja> oh
[03:14] <bimberi> Bluekuja: it's the other way around - edubuntu members are automatically ubuntu members
[03:14] <Bluekuja> oh okie
[03:14] <Bluekuja> yes, thats right
[03:14] <Bluekuja> bimberi tnx
[03:15] <bimberi> Bluekuja: np - and congratulations again! :)
[03:15] <cbx33> indeed congrats man
[03:15] <highvoltage> JaneW: that ok? https://wiki.edubuntu.org/JonathanCarter/emblem?action=show
[03:15] <cbx33> you went up against the big guns :p
[03:16] <Bluekuja> bimberi: thanks very much :)
[03:16] <Bluekuja> ok ill return later
[03:16] <cbx33> bye Bluekuja 
[03:16] <Bluekuja> cya all and good afternoon
[03:16] <Bluekuja> ;)
[03:16] <bimberi> cya Bluekuja 
[03:16] <JaneW> highvoltage: great!
[03:18] <LaserJock> highvoltage: I don't think we have a EC LP do we? I think it is just Edubuntu Members
[03:19] <highvoltage> LaserJock: ogra mentioned one, i'm looking for it now...
[03:19] <cbx33> there is no EC lp is there?
[03:19] <LaserJock> highvoltage: I thought the EC was just the Admins on the Edubuntu Members team
[03:20] <highvoltage> LaserJock: no, there doesn't seem to be one
[03:20] <cbx33> i thought ogra said that edubuntu-members ADministrators were the EC members
[03:20] <highvoltage> LaserJock: it seems that that is the case, yes
[03:21] <spacey> damn ik missed the meeting again didn't i
[03:21] <highvoltage> yep
[03:22] <LaserJock> highvoltage: I'm curious why the add-on cd is under Products in LP
[03:22] <LaserJock> highvoltage: shouldn't it be under Specifications?
[03:23] <highvoltage> LaserJock: hmmm.. i think i was confused and in a rush when i did that
[03:23] <highvoltage> LaserJock: i'll move it to specs, on some level i thought products = specs i think
[03:24] <LaserJock> well, I don't know (LP can be fun that way) but I thought I might mention it
[03:26] <LaserJock> interesting, I found this on the LAMS website:
[03:26] <LaserJock> NB: For administrators seeking a low cost Unix platform for LAMS, we recommend Debian or Ubuntu Linux. For comments or suggestions for installing LAMS on these platforms, have a look at this thread in the LAMS Community.
[03:27] <jsgotangco> yeah
[03:27] <highvoltage> LaserJock: thanks for the mention then :)
[03:27] <highvoltage> nice
[03:27] <jsgotangco> there's work being done for LAMS in ubuntu
[03:29] <LaserJock> well, we should make it so it says "we recommend Edubuntu" ;-)
[03:30] <jsgotangco> good point
[03:31] <spacey> whats the country code for USA? +1 ? (telephone)
[03:31] <LaserJock> but it is good they mention Ubuntu anyway
[03:32] <LaserJock> spacey: should be, I think
[03:32] <LaserJock> I've never tried it from the outside ;-)
[03:32] <spacey> :P
[03:32] <highvoltage> spacey: yes, +1
[03:33] <spacey> so just dail 001 651.523.9300 ?
[03:33] <spacey> hm
[03:33] <spacey> apparently it doesnt work
[03:37] <cbx33> LAMS - Not yet  but it will be. The LAMS software will be released as "open source software" (using the GPL) in late February 2005
[03:37] <cbx33> in reponce to is it free
[03:37] <cbx33> FAQ
[03:38] <LaserJock> does it require Java?
[03:38] <cbx33> needs updating
[03:42] <Petaris> Is ltsp sound dissabled by default?
[03:45] <spacey> yes
[03:46] <spacey> you need to add SOUND = Y in lts.conf
[03:47] <Petaris> just under [Default]  right?
[03:48] <spacey> yup
[03:48] <Petaris> do I need to set the sound deamon to?
[03:48] <Petaris> like = esd or = nasd
[03:51] <Schoolinux> any teacher here? 
[03:52] <Schoolinux> i'm looking for contributers to a "linux in education" project.
[03:52] <Schoolinux> http://www.schoolinux.com
[03:53] <cbx33> IT manager here
[03:53] <cbx33> for a school
[03:53] <Petaris> me too
[03:53] <cbx33> you may be interested in the Schools Advocacy Documentation we're working on
[03:54] <cbx33> it's not complete yet but it will be soon
[03:54] <cbx33> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuSchoolAdvocacy
[03:55] <Schoolinux> actually we're working with edubuntu as our official distribution,
[03:55] <Schoolinux> we use it in our classes
[03:55] <cbx33> nice
[03:56] <Schoolinux> we're going to promote the use of Linux and open source software in schools,
[03:56] <Schoolinux> in a different way
[03:57] <cbx33> cool
[03:57] <Schoolinux> we're using educational communities such as iEARN
[03:57] <Schoolinux> www.iearn.org
[03:58] <Schoolinux> and there'll be an annual conference in netherlands and we'll ahave a seminar with the topic "Schoolinux: free your class"
[04:06] <enyc> Schoolinux: ooho were you the porson who did a presentation including mention of 'sneaking linux in the back door' and not-so-hot on squid-conf ?
[04:07] <jsgotangco> Schoolinux: what contributions are you looking for?
[04:07] <Schoolinux> oh no i wasn't
[04:08] <Schoolinux> anything that can help!
[04:08] <Schoolinux> the main part is to give ideas
[04:08] <jsgotangco> cheerleading?
[04:08] <jsgotangco> :D
[04:08] <Schoolinux> :)
[04:08] <Schoolinux> not really, 
[04:09] <Schoolinux> we might need that later:)
[04:09] <Schoolinux> but you know we need teachers and educators to share their experiences with us
[04:10] <jsgotangco> i have a daughter for a guinea pig though
[04:10] <jsgotangco> err sorry for that term
[04:10] <Schoolinux> no problem
[04:11] <Schoolinux> and of course we need support from communities aroud linux just like ubuntu community
[04:11] <jsgotangco> so this is more advocacy???
[04:12] <jsgotangco> ah so there's a conference
[04:12] <Schoolinux> hmmm...may be it's more than that.. we want it to be more than that
[04:12] <Schoolinux> there'll be
[04:12] <Schoolinux> but nit exclusively on this topic
[04:12] <Schoolinux> not ..
[04:12] <jsgotangco> can you be more specific?
[04:13] <Schoolinux> jerome, would you mind if talk to you later? i've finish up sth here :(
[04:14] <Schoolinux> i'm so sorry..
[04:14] <Schoolinux> i've gotta go
[04:14] <jsgotangco> no worries, i'll be online for a few hours anyways
[04:14] <jsgotangco> (its only 10pm)
[04:14] <Schoolinux> so see ya later=;
[04:19] <kgoetz> ogra_: ping?
[04:20] <cbx33> right I'm off y'all
[04:20] <cbx33> thanks for all the help today
[04:20] <cbx33> and the support
[04:20] <cbx33> I'll be seeing you later on I hope
[04:23] <Petaris> hrm
[04:23] <Petaris> where is the esd package
[04:23] <Petaris> the closest I can find is libesd-alsa0
[04:24] <ogra_> esound
[04:24] <Petaris> ahh
[04:24] <Petaris> thanks
[04:25] <Petaris> hrm
[04:25] <Petaris> it says its already installed
[04:27] <Petaris> ogra_: Do I use the esd.conf file under the ltsp chroot?
[04:27] <Petaris> and how do I turn esound on?
[04:28] <Petaris> I already put the SOUND = Y in lts.conf
[04:28] <ogra_> you need to set: SOUND=True in lts.conf
[04:28] <ogra_> its a boolean variable
[04:28] <Petaris> oh
[04:30] <LaserJock> ogra_: did your guests leave?
[04:31] <ogra_> nope
[04:31] <ogra_> running around in the garden taking pics 
[04:32] <Petaris> is that all that needs to be done
[04:33] <ogra_> yep
[04:33] <ogra_> so as long as you have a supported soundcard in the client is should just work then
[04:33] <kgoetz> is a default workstation edubuntu install 'edubuntu-desktop'?
[04:34] <ogra_> yep
[04:35] <kgoetz> looks like it's missing *sigh*. that might fix some issues i'm getting
[04:39] <bugman> hi
[04:41] <Petaris> ogra_: esd nor esound seem to be running
[04:42] <Petaris> according to ps -A
[04:55] <ogra_> esound is installed by default on the client and should always run
[04:55] <ogra_> it should never run on the server
[04:55] <Petaris> ok
[04:56] <Petaris> what should I put for the esound server then?
[04:56] <Petaris> like in vlc or xmms
[04:57] <Petaris> not localhost right?
[04:59] <ogra_> Petaris, cant you just point them to use esd (like mplayer -vo esd ) ?
[05:00] <ogra_> without an ip or something i mean
[05:00] <ogra_> for xmms just use the esound output plugin
[05:00] <ogra_> dunno how vlc handles that
[05:00] <ogra_> but crimsun might be able to tell once he's around
[05:02] <sTo0z> So I'm back with my same question, can anyone point me in a direction of how to get a mac to boot from the server? I've googled a lot but can't find any solid info..
[05:03] <ogra_> JaneW, will you announce the new council and its members to the ML ? or should i do that ?
[05:03] <Petaris> ogra_: I'll keep an eye out for him
[05:03] <ogra_> sTo0z, thats a bit tricky
[05:03] <bugman> ogra_: maybe vlc -aout <module> allows you to select the audio output module.
[05:04] <sTo0z> ogra_: yah that's what i'm seeing :\
[05:04] <sTo0z> ogra_: something about pulling the boot rom out, messing with some ftp thing, is the limited info i've found so far :\
[05:04] <Petaris> vlc has an esd output plugin, but it wan'ts to know where the esd server is
[05:04] <ogra_> sTo0z, wait a sec
[05:04] <sTo0z> ogra_: ok
[05:05] <ogra_> http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/dhcpd.conf
[05:05] <ogra_> take that one and copy it to /etc/ltsp
[05:06] <ogra_> (and adjust the ip values to your needs indeed
[05:06] <ogra_> )
[05:06] <ogra_> macs need that hex stuff
[05:06] <sTo0z> so how do i actually get the mac to boot up and see the server and do its magic?
[05:06] <ogra_> use the above dhcpd.conf
[05:08] <sTo0z> how does the mac know to connect to the server?
[05:08] <ogra_> you netboot it
[05:08] <ogra_> oh, you mean you dont know how to trigger a netboot on a mac ?
[05:08] <sTo0z> is there a way to force that instead of holding the key down on boot?
[05:08] <sTo0z> right
[05:09] <ogra_> there are docs about how to adjust the firmware to automatically use netbooting
[05:09] <sTo0z> can you point me at one out of your head?
[05:09] <ogra_> i think ltsp.org has some 
[05:09] <sTo0z> oh ok
[05:09] <ogra_> the wiki
[05:09] <ogra_> else holing down the n key on boot should do it 
[05:10] <sTo0z> what should i search for on the wiki? just tried a couple searches and failed miserably ;)
[05:12] <ogra_> powerpc
[05:12] <ogra_> macintosh ?
[05:13] <highvoltage> cbx33: search feature works :)
[05:13] <highvoltage> cbx33: test it :)
[05:13] <cbx33> w00t
[05:13] <cbx33> thankx highvoltage 
[05:13] <cbx33> anyone good on javascript here?
[05:13] <Petaris> wb cbx33
[05:13] <cbx33> i need a clock that can display world time
[05:14] <cbx33> but that is always accurate
[05:14] <cbx33> possibly ntp client?
[05:14] <highvoltage> drupal logs what people search for, it' interesting to see how many people have searched for stuff just this past few minuts
[05:14] <highvoltage> there was "shipit free  (content)"
[05:14] <highvoltage> "live edubuntu"
[05:15] <highvoltage> and people also seem to try to find wiki pages there. there's error messages for a "JeffreyElkner" page that's not found
[05:15] <highvoltage> and a JeromeGotangco
[05:15] <sTo0z> i swear google is worse these days...
[05:15] <highvoltage> and OpenOffice
[05:16] <highvoltage> sTo0z: how so?
[05:16] <sTo0z> just never seem to get anything useful anymore
[05:17] <sTo0z> ogra_: still can't find anything in that wiki, or the internet at all
[05:18] <jsgotangco> someone searched for me?
[05:18] <ogra_> sTo0z, http://www.netbsd.org/Documentation/network/netboot/intro.macppc.html
[05:18] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: they tried to find a page called http://www.edubuntu.org/JeromeGotangco
[05:19] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: that should be fixed!
[05:19] <jsgotangco> IMMEDIATELY
[05:19] <cbx33> 3 more apps done on the advocacy LaserJock 
[05:19] <jsgotangco> :D
[05:19] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: yes sir!
[05:19] <ogra_> jsgotangco, add that page then :)
[05:19] <jsgotangco> lol
[05:19] <jsgotangco> wait a minute
[05:19] <jsgotangco> is our wiki now separate too?
[05:20] <ogra_> nope
[05:20] <jsgotangco> goodie
[05:20] <ogra_> its still the ubuntu wiki
[05:20] <ogra_> same as with shipit.edubuntu.org
[05:20] <sTo0z> i don't have an OS to make changes in tho, hah
[05:20] <ogra_> you have a firmware
[05:21] <jsgotangco> what's the chance of us getting an extremely limited pressing?
[05:21] <ogra_> its all about telling the firmware to netboot
[05:21] <ogra_> there is a special key combo you need to use to get to the firmware prompt
[05:22] <Petaris> ogra_: just tried with xmms, still doesn't work
[05:22] <Petaris> says it can't find the device
[05:22] <ogra_> to be honest i never tested with xmms, since we dont ship it ...
[05:22] <ogra_> totem and rhythmbox should work right away
[05:22] <Petaris> is there anyway to see if the client loaded the driver for the soundcard?
[05:23] <ogra_> +(i think xmms is even moved to universe now)
[05:23] <highvoltage> ogra_: we should have a news entry on the website for the election of ECC, right?
[05:23] <ogra_> you also should have system sounds in gnome
[05:23] <ogra_> highvoltage, absolutely
[05:23] <ogra_> i was hoping to convince JaneW to announce it to the ML
[05:24] <ogra_> but seems i have to do it myself :)
[05:24] <JaneW> ogra_: hi
[05:24] <ogra_> :)
[05:24] <JaneW> ogra_: I have to run now, I have to fetch my kids, late already
[05:24] <JaneW> ogra_: but I can do it latter
[05:24] <ogra_> JaneW, k
[05:24] <JaneW> later I mean
[05:25] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: ah you already released proto
[05:25] <highvoltage> JaneW, ogra_: i'm putting a few words together in a page quickly, i'll post it here for review in +/- 10 minutes
[05:25] <jsgotangco> 4.7 just came out btw
[05:25] <Petaris> ogra_: I'm not using gnome, I'm using xfce
[05:25] <ogra_> http://www.quendor.org/~kleinhenz/gates/gates-preview.jpg
[05:25] <ogra_> :)
[05:26] <jsgotangco> haha linuxtag
[05:26] <ogra_> Petaris, hmm, try running "esddsp xmms" and see what happens
[05:26] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: yep, pips1 already alerted me. we'll probably be on 4.7 by the end of the weekend.
[05:26] <Petaris> ok
[05:26] <jsgotangco> how hard it is to upgrade from 4.6.x to a major version?
[05:27] <sTo0z> ogra_: just see lots of server setup info, nothing about actually making the client do anything, but thanks a million for your help, i'll try to get the rest from here. :)
[05:27] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: not too hard, i'm goint to set it up somewhere else first, with the db from current site, just to make sure it goes smooth
[05:27] <cbx33> how can i display a time on a website and know it's accurate
[05:27] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: can i make a account on the site?
[05:28] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: yep, the account section is not on the site atm, you can get it at http://www.edubuntu.org/user/login
[05:28] <Petaris> ogra_: that doesn't work either
[05:29] <ogra_> Petaris, do you know what kind of soundcard the client has ?
[05:29] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: thanks
[05:29] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: i can give you edit rights too, let me know
[05:29] <Petaris> ogra_: intel8x0 I think
[05:29] <ogra_> hmm, that should work
[05:30] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: sure
[05:30] <ogra_> Petaris, you can add a rootpw to the client chroot and log in on console to check if esd is running and if the driver is present
[05:31] <ogra_> sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 passwd
[05:31] <ogra_> sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 passwd -l 
[05:31] <ogra_> the latter to lock it again
[05:36] <highvoltage> afk?
[05:37] <highvoltage> btw, i'm having trouble remembering the name of the one ECC member, it was me, jane, oli, jerome, and the 5th guy was..?
[05:37] <cbx33> highvoltage, LaserJock
[05:38] <enotanothridiot> hi, I'm submitting a proposal for google summer of code to make a simple IDE to teach programming, any suggestions as to what i might put in?
[05:38] <highvoltage> aha, yes
[05:39] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: Jordan Mantha
[05:39] <sTo0z> ogra_: alright i've pretty much gotten the client under control, and i have your file in place, is there another piece im missing? is there some mac specific files that need to reside on the server in that yaboot folder or the other?
[05:39] <Petaris> grr
[05:40] <Petaris> this is becoming annoying
[05:44] <lucasvo> how did the meeting turn out?
[05:44] <highvoltage> cbx33: where's your launchpad page again?
[05:45] <highvoltage> lucasvo: turned out very nice. we have a community council of 5 people, and we already have our first member :)
[05:45] <cbx33> highvoltage, hang on
[05:46] <cbx33> https://launchpad.net/people/petesavage
[05:46] <highvoltage> strange, i did a search for pete savage on /people and it didn't find it
[05:47] <cbx33> nope
[05:47] <cbx33> one of the many wonderse of lp search
[05:47] <cbx33> its b0rked
[05:47] <sbartleylinux> I am trying to setup a test server with Dapper Beta2 to be an ltsp server.  Have all installed and configured.  Client boots but ends up at text login.  Alt screen on client shows Package 'xserver-xorg' is not installed and no info is available message.  Any help?
[05:48] <cbx33> sbartleylinux, IIRC ogra_ mentioned this earlier on as a bug
[05:48] <cbx33> anyone else know the status of this?
[05:50] <sbartleylinux> cbx33, thx.
[05:50] <cbx33> np
[06:00] <ogra_> err, nope, thats not a known bug
[06:00] <ogra_> ending up on a textconsole and having X running on console 7 is one though
[06:00] <sbartleylinux> ogra_, Hi there.
[06:01] <ogra_> highvoltage, afk == away from keyboard
[06:01] <ogra_> hey sbartleylinux 
[06:01] <highvoltage> aaah
[06:02] <cbx33> there's the man
[06:02] <sbartleylinux> ogra_, so, what info can I provide to help figure out why the client is not getting gui?
[06:03] <sbartleylinux> ogra_, sorry. got called to a meeting. be back in a few minutes.
[06:03] <ogra_> sbartleylinux, did the "building ltsp client" setp in the installer finish properly ?
[06:03] <ogra_> *step
[06:03] <highvoltage> ogra_: http://www.edubuntu.org/news/3
[06:03] <highvoltage> ogra_: is that ok, something that should be added/removed?
[06:03] <jsgotangco> elected?
[06:04] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: i think so :/
[06:04] <ogra> can you just call it EC ?
[06:04] <highvoltage> ok. what does that stand for then? Edubuntu Community or Edubuntu Council?
[06:05] <ogra> the latter
[06:05] <jsgotangco> yeah ECC is something quite bad in my country
[06:05] <highvoltage> ok
[06:05] <jsgotangco> (Environmental Compliance Certificate)
[06:05] <jsgotangco> bleah
[06:05] <ogra> i find edubuntu community council pretty longish
[06:05] <lucasvo> ah, the new site is online!
[06:05] <ogra> highvoltage, and we only do it once a month :)
[06:06] <ogra> (every first edubuntu meeting in a month is also an EC meeting)
[06:06] <highvoltage> ogra: should i s/Edubuntu community council/Edubuntu council/ too?
[06:06] <highvoltage> ok
[06:06] <ogra> yep
[06:08] <highvoltage> ogra: is it ok now?
[06:09] <ogra> yep
[06:09] <ogra> thanks a lot :)
[06:09] <highvoltage> pleasure :)
[06:10] <Petaris> ogra: I was wrong its an onboard VIA VT1612a 2 channel AC'97
[06:10] <Petaris> should still work though
[06:10] <Petaris> It did with k12ltsp anyway
[06:11] <Petaris> Oh and I noticed that the server isn't liking my * GB of RAM
[06:11] <Petaris> s/*/8
[06:11] <ogra> ah, yes, use another kernel, highvoltage did/does some research there
[06:12] <jsgotangco> hmmm 4 Js and an O
[06:12] <jsgotangco> things are not bright for you mr. ogra
[06:12] <ogra> the default -386 kernel only adresses 800MB anyway iirc
[06:12] <ogra> jsgotangco, yeah i noticed, will have to fight my way through
[06:12] <highvoltage> Petaris: if you have 900MB - 3GB RAM, use the -686 kernel
[06:12] <highvoltage> Petaris: if you have more than 3GB, use the server kernel
[06:13] <Petaris> highvoltage:  does the server kernel support smp as well
[06:13] <Petaris> I'm dual opterons here
[06:13] <ogra> highvoltage++
[06:13] <lucasvo> Petaris: how many cores?
[06:13] <highvoltage> Petaris: yes, it does
[06:14] <jsgotangco> bigiron if possible
[06:14] <ogra> would be pointless to have a single core server kernel :)
[06:14] <highvoltage> lucasvo: i'm interested to see how that runs, we haven't used anything besides P4 or Xeons as servers in tuxlabs.
[06:14] <highvoltage> heh :)
[06:15] <Petaris> lucasvo: just two single cores
[06:15] <Petaris> highvoltage which kernel image do you suggest?
[06:15] <jsgotangco> i gotta crash
[06:15] <jsgotangco> good night
[06:16] <Petaris> linux-image-2.6.15-22-server?
[06:16] <highvoltage> Petaris: linux-image-server - Linux kernel image on Server Equipment.
[06:16] <highvoltage> yep
[06:16] <ogra> no
[06:16] <ogra> take the one highvoltage suggested
[06:16] <highvoltage> no? hmmm
[06:16] <ogra> thats the metapackage
[06:16] <highvoltage> yes?
[06:17] <Petaris> huh?
[06:17] <Petaris> so just the linux-image-server
[06:17] <highvoltage> Petaris: i think what we mean is, take linux-image-server, because it's the meta-package
[06:17] <highvoltage> right ogra?
[06:18] <Petaris> oh, ok
[06:18] <Petaris> will do so now
[06:18] <highvoltage> Petaris: that means it will get updated when you do things like dist-upgrading
[06:18] <ogra> yep
[06:18] <Petaris> right
[06:19] <ogra> it will always depend on the most recent version
[06:22] <sbartleylinux> ogra, k. I am back.  Sorry about that.
[06:23] <sbartleylinux> I did the lstp-build-client with the --mirror file:///cdrom.
[06:23] <sbartleylinux> It did give one warning of Package ldm has no installation candidate.
[06:24] <ogra> which CD was that ? 
[06:24] <Petaris> That boot screen is way too dark
[06:24] <ogra> yep
[06:24] <sbartleylinux> The dapper beta 2 cd
[06:24] <sbartleylinux> install cd
[06:24] <ogra> the screen itself is fine, but the fonts and progressbar arent
[06:25] <ogra> there never was an installer beta2
[06:25] <ogra> beta2 was live only
[06:25] <cbx33> indeed
[06:25] <sbartleylinux> ????
[06:25] <sbartleylinux> I downloaded it just yesterday.
[06:25] <sbartleylinux> just a sec
[06:26] <sbartleylinux> ubuntu-6.06-beta2-install-i386.iso
[06:26] <sbartleylinux> downloaded from releases
[06:26] <ogra> hmm, that should never have ended up there, you are right
[06:26] <ogra> <-- shocked
[06:26] <sbartleylinux> :)
[06:26] <cbx33> hehe
[06:27] <ogra> oh
[06:27] <ogra> hehe
[06:27] <ogra> the install is the beta1 iso :)
[06:27] <ogra>  20-Apr-2006 11:51 
[06:27] <Petaris> eeek
[06:27] <sbartleylinux> ahhh. just named beta2 to confuse me.
[06:27] <sbartleylinux> lol
[06:27] <Petaris> with this new kernel x is horrifically slow
[06:28] <sbartleylinux> ok. so, the dapper beta1 cd was in the drive.:)
[06:28] <ogra> Petaris, ask in #ubuntu-kernel if there is a way to enable preempt through a kernel option 
[06:28] <Petaris> my desktop wallpaper wont even show
[06:28] <Petaris> ok
[06:28] <ogra> sbartleylinux, hmm
[06:29] <cbx33> :p
[06:30] <cbx33> ogra, quick question is audacity included with edubuntu?
[06:30] <ogra> nope
[06:30] <cbx33> ok
[06:30] <ogra> wxgtk is just to big
[06:30] <cbx33> for some reason i thought it was
[06:30] <cbx33> ah understandably
[06:31] <Petaris> ogra: they say it should already be enabled by default
[06:31] <ogra> Petaris, on the server kernel ?
[06:31] <sbartleylinux> ogra, let me add some info on the process I went through.  This is a test for several items we are attempting.  The system being used is an IBM T43 laptop.  We wanted to build and test w/ ltsp-server as we will be doing demos in the field using this system.
[06:31] <ogra> ok
[06:31] <cbx33> sbartleylinux, nice :p
[06:32] <ogra> sbartleylinux, i tested the CD myself and it had no problems ... thats what bothers me here
[06:32] <sbartleylinux> We are using the on-board nic as the only network device.  So, I installed ubuntu with the nic connected to the Internet for the install.
[06:33] <sbartleylinux> After installed, I installed all updates.
[06:33] <sbartleylinux> Next, I installed ltsp-server-standalone and openssh-server.
[06:33] <ogra> there were none recently that could affect ltsp
[06:33] <ogra> huh ? 
[06:33] <ogra> these are installed by default 
[06:33] <ogra> (in edubuntu)
[06:34] <sbartleylinux> ubuntu cd, not edubuntu
[06:34] <ogra> oh
[06:34] <sbartleylinux> Sorry. thought you remembered that.
[06:34] <ogra> yeah, indeed
[06:34] <ogra> sorry i forgot
[06:34] <sbartleylinux> After install of all this, I unplugged from Internet and reconfigured nic for local ip settings.
[06:34] <ogra> hmm, it can actually be that ldm is missing there, i never checked 
[06:34] <Petaris> ogra: zul_ believes that it is in the server kernel as well
[06:35] <ogra> Petaris, hmm, strange
[06:35] <sbartleylinux> Did ltsp-build-client --mirror file:///cdrom w/ install cd in drive.
[06:35] <sbartleylinux> Got that message on ldm.
[06:35] <ogra> yep
[06:35] <ogra> thats your problem
[06:35] <sbartleylinux> did dhcpd.conf mods and restared 
[06:35] <sbartleylinux> k.
[06:35] <cbx33> ping LaserJock 
[06:36] <sbartleylinux> So, need to reconfigure nic, connect to Internet, install ldm. then reverse?
[06:36] <ogra> i fear you need to use a networked ltsp-build-client
[06:36] <ogra> the missing ldm can have unpredictable sideeffects
[06:36] <sbartleylinux> k.
[06:36] <sbartleylinux> does doing the ltsp-build-client while networked code anything using the network configuration information?
[06:37] <ogra> nope
[06:37] <sbartleylinux> ok. I can do that. brb
[06:37] <ogra> it just bootstraps a basic system and installs all needed client software there
[06:37] <sbartleylinux> k
[06:38] <cbx33> ping Bluekuja 
[06:38] <Bluekuja> hey cbx33
[06:38] <Bluekuja> :)
[06:38] <Bluekuja> i arrived 2 minutes ago
[06:39] <Bluekuja> tell me
[06:39] <highvoltage> what would it cost to have pamphlets printed?
[06:39] <Bluekuja> mmm.. pete?
[06:39] <highvoltage> (edubuntu pamphlets, that is)
[06:39] <cbx33> highvoltage, I'm not sure...I'll have to get prices
[06:39] <cbx33> If you want me to proceed to that stage I can
[06:40] <Bluekuja> yes, pete it would be nice
[06:40] <sbartleylinux> ok. ltsp-build-client running again.
[06:40] <Bluekuja> then just shoot me the price
[06:40] <highvoltage> i wouldn't mind chipping in, perhaps even do a a little fundraising
[06:40] <cbx33> it would be nice
[06:40] <cbx33> maybe school-forge would help us out too
[06:40] <highvoltage> i think we should get prices once a leaflet is finalised.
[06:40] <cbx33> yes
[06:40] <cbx33> i agree
[06:40] <cbx33> otherwise I have no idea of page numbers etc
[06:40] <Bluekuja> me too
[06:40] <highvoltage> then we can take a chance and see if canonical can fund it (if they can, then great)
[06:41] <highvoltage> and if they can't, then we just find another way of getting it printed.
[06:41] <sbartleylinux> ogra, while that is running, I have a second question.  how does edubuntu deal with automount of devices like cd or usb?  When a device is put in, does the automount get displayed to all clients or just to the console?
[06:41] <ogra> nope
[06:41] <cbx33> excellent highvoltage 
[06:42] <cbx33> well, we got a lot of work to do to make feature freeze tomorrow
[06:42] <ogra> local device support is on the roadmap for edgy eft
[06:42] <cbx33> all the remaining packages need to be documented
[06:42] <cbx33> I'm sure I missed one or two but all the ones that need doing are on the planning page
[06:42] <sbartleylinux> ogra, sorry, not local but console device with automount.
[06:42] <ogra> currently there is nothing been done, i can only refer to ltsp.org
[06:42] <sbartleylinux> k.
[06:42] <ogra> they have a ubuntu -deb 
[06:42] <ogra> and howtos
[06:43] <ogra> i'll also update our ltspfs packages 
[06:43] <sbartleylinux> Thought maybe edubuntu had dealt with it due to the problems it creates.
[06:43] <ogra> nope, not before eft
[06:43] <sbartleylinux> k. thx.
[06:43] <cbx33> Bluekuja, I did two more apps today
[06:43] <cbx33> 3 but i documented on that isn't in edubuntu
[06:43] <ogra> and it would be far too late, feature freeze was months ago
[06:43] <cbx33> grr.
[06:45] <cbx33> we need to get all apps done today and tomorrow so friday i can categorise with LaserJock 
[06:45] <cbx33> then I'll work on the docbook conversion
[06:47] <cbx33> looking great
[06:48] <cbx33> when will we see what the default will look like?
[06:50] <ogra> probably not before release date
[06:50] <ogra> no idea, i dont decide that
[06:51] <sbartleylinux> ogra, k. ltsp-build-client completed with no apparent errors that time.  Reconfigured network.  Same result.  Text login.
[06:52] <ogra> alt-f7 ?
[06:52] <sbartleylinux> :)
[06:52] <sbartleylinux> This time, I have gui on f7.
[06:52] <sbartleylinux> so, now it is to the bug cbx33 was mentioning?
[06:53] <sbartleylinux> cool. well, on to the next issue now. thanks for the help.
[06:54] <cbx33> :p
[06:55] <ogra> yep
[07:22] <mhz> hi all
[07:22] <Petaris> hightvoltage: I'm having issues with that linux server image
[07:23] <mhz> neurogeek: hi mon, nice to see ya
[07:23] <mhz> ogra: do you know if there's already cd artwork for Edubuntu 6.06 (both live and install) ?
[07:24] <ogra> nope, i havent seen anything
[07:24] <neurogeek> mhz, well hello.. how are you doing??
[07:25] <mhz> ogra: has someone owned that yet? (will the designer do it?)
[07:25] <ogra> i suspect there is something in the works 
[07:25] <iloadmin> hello
[07:25] <mhz> neurogeek: lot better, thanks man. And you? still with Ricardo?
[07:26] <Petaris> wth?
[07:26] <ogra> but we're treated a bit like an unloved child wrt artwork 
[07:26] <ogra> (we == JaneW and me)
[07:26] <Petaris> its magically working now
[07:26] <Petaris> weird
[07:26] <ogra> so i dont know anything
[07:26] <iloadmin> hi I need to know if dhcp is running
[07:26] <iloadmin> dhcp server
[07:26] <mhz> ogra: oohhh Why?
[07:27] <mhz> .oO(gee! I it's seems one dissappears for a couple of weeks and the world changes a lot ;) )
[07:27] <Petaris> hrm, thats odd
[07:28] <pirast> iloadmin: try ps -A | grep dhcp
[07:28] <Petaris> with smp and the full 8GB of ram the system seems to be running slower then before
[07:28] <pirast> iloadmin: there should appear something like dhcp server..
[07:28] <mhz> ogra: it is for any good, I love JaneW and you. :D
[07:28] <neurogeek> mhz, kind of.. just for educational stuff.. 
[07:28] <mhz> neurogeek: oh, is that good or not so good?
[07:28] <pirast> bye
[07:29] <ogra> mhz, edubuntu dapper will look like a big chalkboard btw, no veto accepted 
[07:29] <highvoltage> hi mhz!
[07:29] <ogra> (we tried everything )
[07:29] <iloadmin> 6733 ?        00:00:00 dhcpd3
[07:29] <ogra> iloadmin, look like its running then
[07:29] <iloadmin> ok 
[07:29] <mhz> ogra: ooh, damn. Let me guess...then when you "tried everything" they started loving you less?
[07:30] <iloadmin> no thin clients are recievin ip Address
[07:30] <mhz> highvoltage: hi mon!!!
[07:30] <ogra> iloadmin, but you are sure there is only on dhcp server in that network ?
[07:30] <ogra> and the running one is tied to the right interface ? 
[07:31] <iloadmin> yes there is only one 
[07:31] <iloadmin> this is the edubuntu setup with dhcp and a switch
[07:31] <mhz> highvoltage: i have some docs I have been unable to translate into english or afrikaans yet. Still useful for you or prefer to wait until I have Gov. confirmation?
[07:31] <neurogeek> mhz, thats good.. as far as i can tell.. jhehe.. im starting my own company for projects
[07:32] <mhz> neurogeek: cool!
[07:32] <iloadmin> ogra
[07:32] <iloadmin>  everything was working fine 
[07:32] <mhz> neurogeek: about?
[07:32] <iloadmin> now all the thin clients are not recieving ipadddress
[07:32] <ogra> sounds rather like a hardware prob
[07:33] <ogra> or like some problem with the switch config (if its configurable)
[07:33] <neurogeek> mhz, linux support, development and graphics design
[07:33] <mhz> neurogeek: very cool!
[07:34] <mhz> neurogeek: by starting, you mean already working? or just planning?
[07:35] <neurogeek> mhz, nope.. already working
[07:35] <neurogeek> mhz, so if you have nice project i can help with.. that would be awesome.. !!
[07:36] <mhz> neurogeek: url?
[07:36] <neurogeek> http://www.makoto.com.ve
[07:37] <mhz> neurogeek: is it Flash what I am seeing??
[07:37] <cbx33> hi LaserJock 
[07:38] <ogra> mhz, since all my browsers refuse to show it, it must be :)
[07:38] <mhz> ogra: lol
[07:38] <neurogeek> mhz, yes.. my partners are graphical designers and they love that stuff.. i will be deleting that soon
[07:38] <mhz> lol
[07:38] <mhz> hmmm
[07:39] <mhz> neurogeek: "forcing" change is not very good tactic
[07:39] <iloadmin> is there a command to find out in which interface Dhcp is working
[07:39] <highvoltage> mhz: sorry, been working on docs
[07:39] <highvoltage> mhz: yes, i can try to babelfish them and try to make sense of them
[07:40] <highvoltage> mhz: i'd like to prepare as much as possible, as early as possible, since the following month is quite packed :)
[07:40] <neurogeek> iloadmin, cat /etc/dhcp/dhcpd.conf
[07:40] <LaserJock> hi cbx33 
[07:40] <mhz> highvoltage: okis then
[07:40] <cbx33> LaserJock, I did two more pacakges
[07:40] <mhz> highvoltage: really? next month is hectic?
[07:40] <mhz> :D
[07:40] <neurogeek> mhz, or i just probably open another site with open source stuff
[07:40] <highvoltage> mhz: also, if you have other url's, info for me that would be great!
[07:40] <cbx33> hopefully between my and Bluekuja we hsuld finish those tonight
[07:40] <ogra> iloadmin, and compare what neurogeek said with ifconfig -a :)
[07:40] <LaserJock> cbx33: cool
[07:41] <highvoltage> mhz: well, i'm starting a company with 4 other people in early July, there's a *lot* of work to be done to make that happen
[07:41] <highvoltage> mhz: i have lots of plans for linuxworld that's happening the week after next week
[07:41] <cbx33> highvoltage, I know that
[07:41] <cbx33> :p
[07:41] <mhz> highvoltage: well, as a matter of fact, we are paying for the domain today. We also have a url (to my home server) where we'll be using Moin + CSS for FET
[07:42] <mhz> highvoltage: however, the CSS is sooooo pending :D
[07:42] <highvoltage> mhz: then there's the new tuxlab setup that i promised to the people at work will be finished within two weeks after dapper is released
[07:42] <LaserJock> cbx33: are you putting what you have on ESA?
[07:43] <highvoltage> mhz: geez, and a bunch of other stuff, really :) like the possible conference in chile, the possible summit in paris...
[07:43] <mhz> highvoltage: yeah, been there... looooot of wooooork to start a project of your own
[07:43] <highvoltage> OMG
[07:43] <highvoltage> on the South African weekest link, they just asked about the Ubuntu foundation!
[07:44] <Burgwork> ogra, http://live.gnome.org/EducationSuite
[07:44] <JaneW> highvoltage: no way?
[07:44] <JaneW> I was just watching and came here instead
[07:44] <highvoltage> JaneW: yes way!
[07:44] <highvoltage> the person didn't get it though :/
[07:44] <JaneW> cos my kids were moaning because I was answering all the questions
[07:44] <JaneW> when they are not for me
[07:45] <JaneW> :P
[07:45] <JaneW> highvoltage: cool, what was the question?
[07:45] <mhz> highvoltage: the previous date fot FET (april 27th) we had to move it to June mainly because of time shortage (and zero funding). We rented the rooms (3 conference rooms at a Hotel) for June 1st and 2nd and right after that, Mark sends and email stating Dapper will be release on june 1st. Gee! So, highvoltage, I apologize for so much to do :D
[07:45] <cbx33> LaserJock, yes
[07:45] <cbx33> it's all on there
[07:45] <ogra> Burgwork, wow, gnome wakes up ! :)
[07:46] <ogra> finally
[07:46] <Burgwork> ogra, I just created that, so there is nobody yet actually doing the coding
[07:46] <ogra> ah, k
[07:46] <ogra> there is one SoC project 
[07:46] <Burgwork> but I have had people express intereste
[07:46] <ogra> but the direction isnt really clear yet
[07:46] <Burgwork> I think integrating existing programs is the sanest way
[07:46] <JaneW> highvoltage: so what was the answer?
[07:47] <JaneW> and the quest
[07:47] <ogra> Burgwork, writing missing progs as well 
[07:47] <highvoltage> JaneW: i can't remember.
[07:47] <Burgwork> ogra, yes
[07:47] <highvoltage> JaneW: the question was 'who founded the ubuntu foundation, a fund to back the ubuntu linux distribution in 2005"
[07:48] <ogra> Burgwork, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GoogleSoC2006#head-2d0eb2685d15d0956c48d70bb2ea7b08c6ade022
[07:48] <JaneW> highvoltage: cool
[07:48] <mhz> ogra: last week, about 10 finnish companies were here (Santiago, Chile). I was invited to talk to Nokia and ask them to provide funds to support the development of edu apps. for mobile devices.
[07:48] <highvoltage> mhz: no need to apologise, i work well under pressure :)
[07:48] <mhz> ogra: will you be interested?
[07:48] <Burgwork> ogra, yep I saw that. Hence why I posted you that link
[07:48] <ogra> mhz, as soon as buntu exists, yes
[07:49] <mhz> highvoltage: I used to think I was able to do that too, until my body complained a lot. even withouth my consentment
[07:49] <highvoltage> ogra: are there any (possible) improvements for etherboot that could help us? i see they're involved with SoC too
[07:49] <ogra> unless these apps run out of the box in a "normal" system
[07:49] <ogra> highvoltage, etherboot ? 
[07:49] <highvoltage> mhz: my body is complaining, but i'm finding ways around it
[07:49] <highvoltage> ogra: yes
[07:50] <ogra> making etherboot image cvreation work out of the box for us would be cool, but thats a matter of fixing the ltsp-update-kernels script
[07:51] <highvoltage> yeah, and that's not something they can fix, because it's only the old etherboot versions that have trouble working, that doesn't have pxe emulation.
[07:51] <highvoltage> i see the new etherboot is going to be called gPXE
[07:51] <ogra> g ?
[07:52] <mhz> ogra: I have not even had time to analyze the pros and cons. However, the impression I get is the person I spoke to (nokia manager for Latinamerica region...very good looking woman BTW) has no idea on how to develop such thing so she's asked us to present a draft, telling what we'd like to do. Hence, we got a very open chance to specify whatever ;)
[07:52] <ogra> will that rather be for the 770 or for mobile phones ?
[07:53] <highvoltage> mhz: nice ;)
[07:53] <ogra> (the 770 runs gtk afaik)
[07:53] <mhz> highvoltage: indeed. The only way I found is "roller skating" :D and of course, falling off trying to master some jumps :D
[07:53] <highvoltage> mhz: for me, it's going to the gym. i felt very sick from friday to sunday, and then i started doing excercise again, and now i feel better
[07:54] <highvoltage> ogra: http://etherboot.org/wiki/doku.php?id=socideas
[07:56] <mhz> ogra: whatever devices we consider and whatever ways we consider. Of course, we have to consider at least 1 nokia model, but I'd rather consider to do something as "open" as possible in terms of "if you have PDA, Phone, etc., you can still enjoy linux based edu apps" (maybe even VPN's)
[07:56] <ogra> highvoltage, i dont really see a need
[07:57] <highvoltage> ogra: ok, understandable. i do think that there might be areas of improvement that might influence us one day
[07:57] <ogra> if we have mknbi working out of the box to support all older etherboot cards we're fine
[07:57] <mhz> ogra: that, because Familiar and Debian OS'es, as well as desktops such as Opie and GPE have done good imporvements
[07:57] <ogra> i dont see the need to fiddle with the PXE protocol etc
[07:57] <highvoltage> for example, they are working on other ways to boot / download the kernel, you could get it, for instance "Add a new network protocol, such as https, ftp or smb"
[07:57] <highvoltage> i think that's quite interesting.
[07:58] <ogra> mhz, something gpe based would also work for us :)
[07:58] <mhz> VERY interesting (boot methods)
[07:58] <mhz> ogra: yup
[07:58] <highvoltage> they have some very interesting ideas.
[07:58] <ogra> highvoltage, it is, but out of focus for edubuntu
[07:58] <highvoltage> i think the the etherboot project will one day become more popular than old fasioned pxe.
[07:59] <mhz> SmartBootManager... good project but my pcmcia cd drive still does not boot from it
[07:59] <highvoltage> ogra: you're right, i just thought i'd mention it to you, since you might have some suggestions for them. if you don't, then no problem :)
[07:59] <mhz> hehehe
[07:59] <Petaris> What is this chalkboard interface you keep talking about
[07:59] <ogra> i just have my head full of other stuff currently :)
[07:59] <mhz> then, no problem :D
[07:59] <Petaris> *for dapper
[07:59] <ogra> Petaris, the new default theme
[07:59] <ogra> dark green
[08:00] <highvoltage> ogra: completely understandable
[08:00] <ogra> developed by a design company
[08:00] <Petaris> are there any screenies?
[08:00] <ogra> nope
[08:00] <Petaris> hrm
[08:00] <Petaris> oh well
[08:00] <Petaris> wont affect me anyway
[08:00] <ogra> i'm not allowed to show anything public yet
[08:00] <mhz> hehehehe
[08:00] <ogra> mhz, sure you can but nobody will listen
[08:01] <ogra> true
[08:01] <mhz> highvoltage: true
[08:01] <LaserJock> ogra: funny thing is, my department just went to all whiteboards so if they want to really go uni they should have a plain white background ;-)
[08:01] <mhz> ogra: tru
[08:01] <mhz> e
[08:01] <ogra> LaserJock, haha
[08:01] <ogra> i'll forward that *g*
[08:01] <Petaris> ogra: can't people just switch the theme after installation?
[08:01] <mhz> Petaris: yes
[08:01] <ogra> Petaris, yes, but most dont do that
[08:02] <mhz> Petaris: ogra's right...that's why it was important to complain
[08:02] <Petaris> there we have it, proof that I am not most prople  ;p
[08:02] <ogra> which gained us a fair amount of publicity through the edubuntugirl pic
[08:02] <cbx33> LaserJock, I was thinking that too
[08:02] <Petaris> edubuntugirl pic?
[08:02] <LaserJock> ogra: to be honest, in the US anyway, chalkboards are more a symbol of old, archaic ways of doing things.
[08:02] <cbx33> LaserJock, here too
[08:03] <ogra> i.e. you can even recognoze the person on the photo is running edubuntu if the display is 10m behind him 
[08:03] <mhz> ogra: hehehehe, one friend of mine wanted to see a background of a sexy japaneese school girl...obviously, I had to slap him a bit :D
[08:03] <ogra> LaserJock, yep, not only in the US
[08:03] <mhz> LaserJock: in Chile too!
[08:03] <Petaris> mhz: ooh, me too
[08:03] <ogra> i think it transports the wrong message
[08:03] <mhz> Petaris: hehehe
[08:03] <Petaris> lol
[08:04] <ogra> highvoltage, btw, where is she ? 
[08:04] <mhz> ogra: she growned up and moved to RPM's
[08:04] <ogra> dont take her home with you all the time
[08:04] <mhz> :D
[08:04] <Petaris> haha
[08:04] <ogra> we also want to spend time with her
[08:05] <iloadmin> ok 
[08:05] <iloadmin> Now
[08:05] <Petaris> Now?
[08:05] <Petaris> are you sure?
[08:05] <ogra> and then :)
[08:05] <highvoltage> ogra: juliux has a server where she can lives, she'll migrate when i give him the list of perl modules he needs to install
[08:05] <ogra> oki
[08:05] <cbx33> heheh
[08:05] <mhz> ogra: oh, do you think highvoltage has a "look" like Rooney football player (Manchester United)?
[08:05] <cbx33> heheheh
[08:05] <ogra> mhz, no idea
[08:06] <ogra> i'm a soccer hater :)
[08:06] <mhz> oooh
[08:06] <highvoltage> mhz: where does that question come from? and what does rooney look like?
[08:06] <highvoltage> mhz: when i was in london, i bought a vodafone soccer t-shirt, and it says rooney at the back.
[08:07] <mhz> highvoltage: lol
[08:07] <iloadmin> how do I restart dhcp serveer  in ebubuntu
[08:07] <ogra> hehe
[08:08] <ogra> iloadmin, sudo /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server restart
[08:08] <ogra> there is also a gui tool in the admin menu 
[08:08] <ogra> (start stop services)
[08:08] <pirast> does anyone know the gconf keys for desktop and panel icons?
[08:09] <ogra> gconf-editor does :)
[08:09] <ogra> (it has a keyword search function)
[08:09] <mhz> highvoltage: no "from" in this case. It's just that I was wathching the news this morning and they showed Rooney's face.. And then I remembered I had seen a similar face... it was your hackergotchi or a phote with JaneW 's cake
[08:09] <highvoltage> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayne_Rooney
[08:09] <mhz> lol!
[08:10] <pirast> yup im already inside it but  cant find the keys :-(
[08:10] <mhz> man, you are a fanatic of instant information
[08:10] <mhz> :D
[08:11] <highvoltage> that I am
[08:11] <mhz> highvoltage: he's about your age!
[08:11] <highvoltage> i have a one button shortcut on my phone to google ;)
[08:11] <mhz> hehehe
[08:11] <highvoltage> mhz: he's 3 years younger than me
[08:11] <mhz> "about" :D
[08:11] <ogra> you google from your phone ? 
[08:12] <highvoltage> yes.
[08:12] <highvoltage> i even wikipedia from my phone.
[08:12] <ogra> even it has a million of gimmicks
[08:12] <highvoltage> and read ubuntu planet on it :)
[08:13] <mhz> highvoltage: I received a couple of urls from a friend, stating Google is something "not good" at all
[08:13] <mhz> despite his terrific searching engine
[08:14] <highvoltage> well, google is a good search engine, the rest is up for negotiation.
[08:14] <ogra> yeah and microsoft pays $250 for mails 
[08:14] <highvoltage> i'm not a fan of the company, fwiw.
[08:14] <pirast> ah i found it.. thanks anyway :-)
[08:14] <ogra> sounds pretty much like spam :)
[08:14] <mhz> and I found out there's a banch of people organizing a whole anti-google organization
[08:14] <ogra> google is a hell of a pusher for opensource
[08:14] <highvoltage> mhz: yes, they're called yahoo, excite and microsoft ;)
[08:15] <mhz> lol
[08:15] <ogra> i dont see any reason to not like them
[08:15] <highvoltage> ogra: agreed. i'm not a fan, but i'm not against them either.
[08:15] <ogra> (they even use ubuntu on some desktops)
[08:15] <ogra> or rather goobuntu
[08:15] <highvoltage> they're big and they have large market share, but i can't see how they broke the rules to get there.
[08:16] <mhz> I got the urls and even a Video. I read the why's. I still have no "my own" thought about it.
[08:16] <ogra> their derivative 
[08:16] <highvoltage> unlike some other large companies.
[08:16] <mhz> basically, the urls complained about Google DB's
[08:17] <ogra> isnt the summer of code enough reason to like them ? 
[08:17] <mhz> and that even when you delete mails from gmail, they are still kept "for backup pruposes"
[08:17] <ogra> no other company spends that amount of money for free opensource projects
[08:18] <cbx33> ping Bluekuja 
[08:18] <ogra> hey edubuntugirl 
[08:18] <edubuntugirl> hoezit, ogra!
[08:18] <Bluekuja> im here pete
[08:18] <mhz> ogra: yeah, before reading about this, I was 100% convinced. Now, I only want to read a little bit more to see if I am still 100% for them
[08:18] <ogra> finally youre back :)
[08:18] <highvoltage> ogra: i think SoC is good reason to like them, but not enough for me to go fanboy on them
[08:19] <ogra> i dont like gmail, but thats no reason to not like the company
[08:19] <mhz> oh, edubuntu girl is not the "gril on the wallpaper" ???
[08:19] <cbx33> grill :p
[08:19] <mhz> duh!
[08:19] <mhz> girl
[08:19] <mhz> hehehe
[08:19] <edubuntugirl> mhz: btw, i'd die before i have to use an rpm based system
[08:19] <cbx33> heheh
[08:19] <mhz> lol!!!
[08:19] <ogra> mhz, sure she is
[08:20] <edubuntugirl> mhz: yes, that's me :)
[08:20] <edubuntugirl> mhz: but lucasvo doesn't like me :(
[08:20] <ogra> edubuntugirl, artwork 
[08:20] <edubuntugirl> me in breezy !
[08:20] <JaneW> hok what can I put in this ML announcement
[08:20] <ogra> edubuntugirl, nose
[08:20] <edubuntugirl> I have none, see http://www.edubuntu.org/images/tour/gnome-desktop.png
[08:20] <JaneW> ?
[08:20] <ogra> mhz, ^^^
[08:20] <ogra> see
[08:20] <JaneW> edubuntugirl: help me
[08:20] <edubuntugirl> JaneW: I'm not following you...
[08:20] <highvoltage> lol
[08:20] <JaneW> edubuntugirl: follow me
[08:20] <edubuntugirl> JaneW: what?
[08:20] <mhz> ogra: LOL!!
[08:20] <ogra> JaneW, http://www.edubuntu.org/news/3
[08:21] <cbx33> JaneW, she's been taught well
[08:21] <JaneW> I want to sned it before I go to bed
[08:21] <edubuntugirl> JaneW: what can I help with?
[08:21] <JaneW> cbx33: clearly
[08:21] <JaneW> edubuntugirl: puppet!
[08:21] <edubuntugirl> JaneW: excuse me?
[08:21] <JaneW> edubuntugirl: I love you
[08:21] <edubuntugirl> JaneW: sorry...
[08:21] <JaneW> heh
[08:21] <cbx33> she's not gonna fall for the old I love you trickery
[08:21] <mhz> hmmm, how old is edubuntugirl ?
[08:22] <JaneW> highvoltage: I love you!
[08:22] <ogra> edubuntugirl, seen edubuntugirl 
[08:22] <edubuntugirl> I haven't seen edubuntugirl, ogra
[08:22] <ogra> hah
[08:22] <ogra> get a mirror
[08:22] <ogra> !
[08:22] <ubotu> Bugger all, I dunno. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, ogra
[08:22] <JaneW> edubuntugirl: how old are you?
[08:22] <edubuntugirl> JaneW: okay
[08:22] <mhz> hehehe
[08:22] <ogra> waaah hunted by bots
[08:22] <edubuntugirl> I love you too.
[08:22] <ogra> !#
[08:22] <ubotu> ogra: Some people juggle geese. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[08:23] <mhz> JaneW: please teach her to bake some cakes :D
[08:23] <JaneW> yes!
[08:23] <cbx33> hi pygi 
[08:23] <pygi_> JaneW: why does google allow cheating? 
[08:23] <JaneW> ogra: where should I send the announcement edu ML and u-a?
[08:23] <ogra> reciepes at least :)
[08:23] <ogra> yep, but dont crosspost 
[08:23] <JaneW> pygi_: cheating?
[08:23] <mhz> JaneW: edu ML
[08:23] <pygi> hi cbx33
[08:24] <JaneW> ogra: ah:(
[08:24] <pygi> JaneW: well, mentors can give points a lot of times (like infinity?)
[08:24] <pygi> cbx33: congrats 
[08:24] <ogra> JaneW, else people answering will run into probs
[08:24] <mhz_cook> :(
[08:24] <JaneW> pygi: what do you mean points?
[08:24] <cbx33> thanks pygi 
[08:24] <JaneW> ogra: OK, i'LL SEND IT X2
[08:24] <pygi> JaneW: well, we have "scores" thingy
[08:24] <JaneW> oops caps
[08:24] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: edubuntu++
[08:24] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: karma edubuntugirl 
[08:24] <edubuntugirl> highvoltage: edubuntugirl has neutral dulia
[08:24] <highvoltage> oops
[08:25] <JaneW> pygi: oh the rankings?
[08:25] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: karma edubuntu
[08:25] <pygi> JaneW: yup
[08:25] <edubuntugirl> highvoltage: edubuntu has karma of 1
[08:25] <JaneW> dulia?
[08:25] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: karma ogra 
[08:25] <edubuntugirl> highvoltage: ogra has neutral karma
[08:25] <cbx33> edubuntugirl, karma cbx33
[08:25] <highvoltage> JaneW: i think it's what the indians call karma
[08:25] <edubuntugirl> cbx33: cbx33 has neutral dulia
[08:25] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: ogra++
[08:25] <cbx33> pah
[08:25] <cbx33> :p
[08:25] <JaneW> heh
[08:25] <highvoltage> ogra: that sounds very... naughty
[08:25] <JaneW> night
[08:25] <JaneW> see you at 4am ;)
[08:25] <pygi> take care ogra
[08:25] <Bluekuja> cya ogra :)
[08:25] <ogra> ;)
[08:25] <cbx33> take care ogra 
[08:26] <highvoltage> goodnight ogra 
[08:26] <Petaris> later ogra
[08:26] <pygi> JaneW: that feels like cheating to me =P
[08:26] <edubuntugirl> ogra: you mean there's someone else!?
[08:26] <ogra> lol
[08:26] <Bluekuja> lol
[08:26] <JaneW> pygi: all part of my job *shrug*
[08:26] <ogra> bye all
[08:26] <Bluekuja> cya oliver
[08:26] <pygi> JaneW: oki, then take a look at this once you get time
[08:26] <pygi> http://code.google.com/soc/ubuntu/app.html?csaid=fodtze@gmail.com:f9a243dd:44c1f2f4
[08:27] <JaneW> will do
[08:27] <pygi> and you may assign me as a mentor to this spec (I don't know when we do assigning, but still :P) http://code.google.com/soc/ubuntu/app.html?csaid=Szilveszter.Farkas@gmail.com:f57b5588:ae8c6326
[08:27] <pygi> or are we going to wait for may,8?
[08:28] <pirast> bye
[08:32] <highvoltage> pygi: what's happening on may 8? the only pygi date i have stored in my head is may 10
[08:33] <pygi> pygi date? what's that? :P new format of date? 
[08:33] <pygi> highvoltage: well, I think end of applications?
[08:33] <highvoltage> ah, ok.
[08:33] <highvoltage> pygi: it's just information i keep in my pygi namespace
[08:34] <pygi> highvoltage: heh
[08:36] <pygi> JaneW: I hope you are alive? 
[08:36] <pygi> highvoltage: the book is may 10? 
[08:37] <highvoltage> pygi: yep
[08:37] <pygi> see, I still remember =P
[08:37] <edubuntugirl> pygi: why, what did you do to her?
[08:41] <pygi> edubuntugirl: hm, what do you mean?
[08:42] <edubuntugirl> pygi: sure thing
[08:42] <cbx33> dose our edubuntu have the experimental filter support in Kino?
[08:47] <iloadmin> question 
[08:47] <iloadmin> how do I make a login name stay in the field of user name after it is loged in] 
[08:48] <highvoltage> iloadmin: the edubuntu login screen? what do you mean?
[08:51] <iloadmin> the thin clients boot up 
[08:51] <iloadmin> then is there a way for me to have the names of the user stay  on the screen
[08:54] <iloadmin> do you Understand the question 
[08:56] <highvoltage> ah yes, i understand now
[08:56] <highvoltage> there isn't a feature like that, no.
[08:57] <Petaris> highvoltage: ever since installing that kernel my system has been crawling
[08:57] <highvoltage> i don't think it's likely to be implemented, it's probably not a feature that will be largely used.
[08:57] <Petaris> its even slower then windows
[08:57] <highvoltage> Petaris: really? wow. on the local machine only, or when the clients start up?
[08:57] <highvoltage> Petaris: that's with the server kernel, right?
[08:57] <Petaris> when using just 1 client
[08:58] <Petaris> yeah, that linux-image-server package
[08:58] <highvoltage> now i'm extra anxious to try that kernel on a server.
[08:58] <Petaris> my whole 8 GB of ram is now avaliable though
[08:58] <Petaris> but there are deffinatly issues
[08:59] <highvoltage> hmmm.. you could use the 686 image, but then you only see 4GB RAM :/
[08:59] <Petaris> I really need this system up by the end of tomarrow
[08:59] <pygi> highvoltage: it should be just around few percents slower
[08:59] <Petaris> highvoltage: and could only use 1 of my processors
[08:59] <highvoltage> Petaris: hmm.. that's not good
[09:00] <Petaris> indeed
[09:03] <highvoltage> Petaris: how many clients will you be running from this server?
[09:04] <edubuntugirl> cbx33: it was true! we haven't seen the last of you!
[09:04] <Petaris> highvoltage: 25
[09:04] <cbx33> indeed it was
[09:05] <Petaris> highvoltage: Its vmware that will need those extra resources though
[09:05] <JaneW> msg sent 
[09:05] <Petaris> and on top of everything else I will need sound to work
[09:05] <Petaris> and work well
[09:05] <lucasvo> Petaris: it should work with dapper
[09:05] <highvoltage> i think sound will be less of a problem than the vmware
[09:06] <Petaris> lucasvo: I can't get it to work
[09:06] <pygi> JaneW: so you are alive? 
[09:06] <cbx33> Petaris, what are you using with vmware
[09:06] <Petaris> cbx33: I use vmplayer to run ~15 win98 instances
[09:07] <cbx33> ahhh
[09:07] <Petaris> for some legacy software
[09:08] <Petaris> speaking of which, anyone know of a good music software for use in ltsp?
[09:08] <Petaris> Something with a simple composer
[09:08] <Petaris> and one click playback
[09:08] <cbx33> hmmm
[09:09] <cbx33> oh...what was it called
[09:09] <cbx33> there's rosegarden is it?
[09:09] <cbx33> that's midi based
[09:09] <highvoltage> Petaris: not that i'm into that kind of thing, but have you bought the vmware licenses yet? win4lin is slightly lighter (and cheaper) than vmware
[09:09] <Petaris> we are using music ace 2 in the win98 images but it doesn't work well, or at all really
[09:09] <Petaris> highvoltage: don't need lics for vmplayer :)
[09:10] <cbx33> vmware server is free now
[09:10] <Petaris> cbx33: rosegarden is way to advanced for elementary kids and way too heavy on the server
[09:10] <cbx33> ahhh
[09:10] <cbx33> hmmm
[09:11] <cbx33> check out agnula for a list of packages
[09:11] <Petaris> I need a simple kidsie one
[09:11] <cbx33> hmmm not sure there is one is there?
[09:11] <cbx33> SoC here we come :p
[09:12] <LaserJock> cbx33: are you doing a SoC project?
[09:12] <cbx33> no :p
[09:12] <cbx33> don;t think I'll have the time
[09:12] <cbx33> I'm too busy with edubuntu/ubuntu at the moment
[09:12] <cbx33> I'd love to do one
[09:12] <cbx33> you?
[09:12] <Petaris> SoC?
[09:12] <cbx33> Summer of Code
[09:13] <cbx33> Google
[09:13] <Petaris> ahh
[09:13] <LaserJock> heck no, I'm no programmer. I can do little coding for my research but that is about it
[09:13] <cbx33> hahaha
[09:13] <cbx33> you underestimate yourself
[09:13] <LaserJock> if I got paid to develop Edubuntu science meta packages, etc I'd be set
[09:14] <highvoltage> Petaris: i've asked mdz to join #ubuntu-server, if anyone would know what to do, it would be him
[09:14] <Petaris> cbx33: What I need is like a TuxMusic or something
[09:14] <cbx33> hehe
[09:14] <cbx33> true
[09:14] <Petaris> highvoltage: cool
[09:14] <cbx33> TuxMusic with a little virtual keyboard
[09:14] <LaserJock> yeah, and a guitar and flute or something
[09:14] <cbx33> yeh
[09:15] <Petaris> heh, theres a SoC project  :)
[09:15] <cbx33> indeed
[09:15] <cbx33> oh how I'd love to work on it
[09:15] <LaserJock> I wonder, has anybody done a classification of software according to age?
[09:15] <cbx33> LaserJock, might be useful for ESA
[09:15] <LaserJock> software we have
[09:16] <iloadmin> Question 
[09:16] <cbx33> shoot
[09:16] <iloadmin> I have a windows 98 computer 
[09:16] <LaserJock> ewww
[09:16] <iloadmin> and it gets a ipaddress
[09:16] <iloadmin> but no network connectivity
[09:16] <iloadmin> to the internet
[09:17] <iloadmin> all the other thinclients boot up and are able to browse the internet
[09:17] <iloadmin> the windows 98 doesn'
[09:17] <cbx33> hmm
[09:18] <cbx33> proxy?
[09:18] <iloadmin> I have to setup a proxy
[09:18] <iloadmin> ???
[09:18] <iloadmin> dont have it on the thinclients
[09:18] <iloadmin> or the server
[09:18] <cbx33> ok
[09:35] <pygi> highvoltage: you here?
[09:36] <highvoltage> according to LaserJock, i'm everywhere :)
[09:36] <pygi> highvoltage: what's the preffered format for help/documentation which is to be called from an application?
[09:36] <pygi> docbook?
[09:37] <highvoltage> pygi: the docteam is comfortable with docbook, so that sounds like a good choice
[09:38] <pygi> highvoltage: Mono Documentation thingy looks nice
[09:38] <pygi> people can contribute, and upload their contributions back to server with just a single click
[09:39] <highvoltage> nice
[09:39] <pygi> but that probably can't be used :-/
[09:39] <pygi> for other projects, I mean :-/
[09:40] <highvoltage> i don't know. best would be to ask on ubuntu-doc. i'm not sure what's the best, i just give them html :)
[09:41] <pygi> hehe 
[09:47] <LaserJock> docbook is definately the easiest for us and Gnome uses it too. KDE uses html I think though
[09:50] <highvoltage> goodnight, #edubuntu!
[09:50] <pygi> night highvoltage
[09:50] <highvoltage> :)
[09:51] <Petaris> night highvoltage
[09:52] <LaserJock> are you taking edubuntugirl with you tonight?
[09:56] <Petaris> what is the command to rehash the client ssh keys?
[10:04] <Burgwork> ogra, have you seen http://live.gnome.org/Epiphany/ChildrensBrowser
[10:05] <Burgwork> pygi, another of my crazy ideas
[10:05] <pygi> Burgwork: that is to be SoCed, right?
[10:06] <Burgwork> pygi, it might be, as part of google. It is up on their ideas page
[10:07] <pygi> hm, I haven't seen google ideas
[10:07] <Burgwork> live.gnome.org/GoogleSoC2006/Ideas I think
[10:08] <pygi> wrong :)
[10:08] <pygi> but I found it
[10:08] <pygi> thanks :)
[10:08] <Burgwork> I am frequently wrong
[10:16] <pygi> Burgwork: nah, not true :)
[10:54] <Bluekuja> cya #edubuntu
[10:54] <pygi> bye Bluekuja
[10:55] <Petaris> ogra: Is it still correct that amd64 kernels shouldn't be used with ltsp clients that are x86?
[10:57] <cbx33> nn all
[11:25] <Petaris> When I do a make menuconfig I get this: http://phpfi.com/115959
[11:52] <pygi> night all
[11:57] <sfllaw> highvoltage, JaneW, LaserJock, ogra: Congrats!