[12:03] <Tonio_> Lure: ;)
[12:03] <Lure> Tonio_: thanks for being there!
[12:03] <Tonio_> I couldn't do more to support you I think :)
[12:03] <Tonio_> Lure: pleasure :)
[12:13] <Sime> Tonio_: I'm glad to hear that it is all work smoothly now. (no, I haven't touched systemsettings windows sizes recently).
[12:14] <Tonio_> Sime: something changed with this nights update....
[12:14] <Tonio_> Sime: I assumed it was you, but maybe that just new pykde
[01:37] <insanekane> hello ... the systray applet is in kdelibs right ?
[01:38] <apokryphos> probably, why?
[01:39] <apokryphos> or kdelibs has the part, and kdebase as it as the app
[01:39] <insanekane> apokryphos: well, did a user testing session today ... and he found it difficult to identify the 'system tray' in the panel
[01:39] <insanekane> apokryphos: so, i wanted to add some color to the background to differentiate it
[01:39] <apokryphos> really? :/
[01:39] <apokryphos> it's pretty distinct
[01:40] <insanekane> no it isnt ... the contrast is too low
[01:40] <insanekane> they wondered if the clock was in the tray as well
[01:40] <apokryphos> not that I'm convinced that it should be differentiated from the rest of the panel, or the desktop itself
[01:40] <apokryphos> that's kind of what's going to be plasma's aim :P
[01:40] <apokryphos> insanekane: seperators make that an obvious no
[01:40] <insanekane> apokryphos: yes ... but try writing a manual about what the system tray is :)
[01:41] <apokryphos> easy, put a screenshot and/or a description
[01:41] <insanekane> apokryphos: well, in my distro (derivative of kubuntu), i've removed the applet handles
[01:41] <apokryphos> in between where your minimised apps go and the clock
[01:41] <apokryphos> insanekane: that's probably a stronger reason for why they don't differentiate it :P
[01:41] <insanekane> apokryphos: :)
[01:42] <insanekane> apokryphos: users, dumb users ;)
[01:42] <apokryphos> don't presume users are dumb, as old Linus says :P
[01:42] <insanekane> apokryphos: but really, they did find it difficult ... they didnt understand applet handles either, so, i had to remove them
[01:42] <insanekane> apokryphos: it was a joke :) ... my aim is to make it easier for them
[01:42] <apokryphos> ;-)
[01:43] <insanekane> apokryphos: after all, i'm from a community that left agriculture as the only profession only some 50 years ago :P
[01:43] <apokryphos> heh
[01:43] <apokryphos> not hard to sympathise when I consider my mother :O
[01:43] <insanekane> hmm yes :)
[01:43] <insanekane> so, thats why i asked about the systray
[01:45] <apokryphos> it'd all be under kicker, I'd imagine
[01:45] <insanekane> apokryphos: oh, btw, the 'users' who were tested and/or testing the system ... they are very experienced linguists ... so it is not exactly a 'dumb' user here
[01:45] <apokryphos> indeed
[01:45] <apokryphos> I consider my mother very intelligent, but absolutely awful with computers :P
[01:45] <insanekane> :)
[01:46] <insanekane> apokryphos: so, how would you define the 'system tray' ?
[01:46] <apokryphos> my friend told me an interesting story the other day, where his dad (a *very* highly paid surgeon, intelligent) called him from upstairs to ask him where a given key was (I think it was P) :P
[01:46] <insanekane> LOL
[01:47] <apokryphos> help:/kicker/systemtray-applet.html
[01:47] <insanekane> apokryphos: great :P
[01:47] <insanekane> apokryphos: our definition is about 3 lines longer :)
[01:48] <apokryphos> screenshots are always good though
[01:49] <insanekane> yeah, will be providing screenshots, and thick red lines demarcating the systray (just as most other parts of the desktop) ... but it would be better to have a little bit more contrast
[01:50] <insanekane> apokryphos: ok, thanks for your help ... cya later. gnite!
[01:50] <apokryphos> 'night
[01:50] <apokryphos> =)
[08:02] <NeoChaosX> Question to anybody who knows: is there any chance of knetworkmanager being promoted to main for dapper?
[08:06] <raphink> hi there
[08:59] <danimo> moin
[09:08] <Hobbsee> hey danimo 
[09:09] <danimo> hi Hobbsee
[09:09] <danimo> the kubuntu booth should be mostly set up by now
[09:10] <Hobbsee> oh goody :)
[09:10] <Hobbsee> wish i could see it...is someone taking pictures?
[09:11] <danimo> Hobbsee: I think so
[09:11] <Hobbsee> oh good :)
[09:11] <danimo> Hobbsee: would be odd of there were no pictues
[09:11] <danimo> Hobbsee: I left yesterday night, since I have obligations at uni. I'll be back on friday, though
[09:11] <danimo> Hobbsee: but ken is there
[09:11] <Hobbsee> ah ok, cool
[09:15] <Hobbsee> heh...well that's always fun, you know :P
[09:15] <danimo> Hobbsee: I basically spent the last day setting up three boothes
[09:16] <danimo> Hobbsee: and then running to catch my train
[09:16] <Hobbsee> very ouch.
[09:16] <danimo> Hobbsee: I returned home by 1:30am, and had to get up at 6:30
[09:16] <Hobbsee> icky
[09:17] <danimo> fortunately, there is caffeine to at least keep me awake
[09:34] <pygi> Riddell: QT# would be a decent SoC idea 
[09:35] <abattoir> pyi: was that a katakana char. being improvised as a smiley? ;) 
[09:36] <abattoir> sorry, omitted the g... 
[09:36] <pygi> yes, yes, whatever the katakana  char is (altought few people already told me that)
[09:36] <abattoir> pygi: i think it tsu...
[09:38] <pygi> heh 
[09:38] <pygi> whatever that is 
[12:01] <viviersf> Riddell, ping
[01:43] <Riddell> viviersf: hi
[01:43] <Riddell> my ISP is broken today, I only have 6 minutes of access from the library
[01:43] <viviersf> sigh
[01:44] <viviersf> in south africa that happens most of the time ^_^
[01:44] <freeflying> Riddell: hi
[01:45] <Hobbsee> eww
[01:55] <freeflying> Riddell: when will the next kubuntu-meeting be?
[01:56] <Riddell> Next meeting is 05/11/06 2100 UTC
[01:56] <Riddell> hm, November?
[01:56] <Riddell> 11th May
[01:57] <freeflying> Riddell: thanks
[02:00] <abattoir> Riddell: hello :) I tried checking the Ubuntu OEM Installer, but i think it'd wipe out my harddisk(or it is only meant for clean HDs)... am I right?
[02:01] <Riddell> abattoir: could well be the case, I'm not sure
[02:02] <Hobbsee> Riddell: those US people put their dates around the wrong way :P
[03:37] <jjesse> Riddell: are we doing a flight 7 or anything like that?
[03:38] <freeflying> jjesse: not flight, now is beta2,heh
[03:39] <jjesse> heh, can't keep things straight :)
[03:40] <Lure> jjesse: Flight 7 will be tommorow's daily if everything goes well
[03:41] <freeflying> Lure: congrats
[03:41] <Lure> freeflying: thanks
[03:41] <jjesse> oooooo
[03:42] <Riddell> jjesse: yes, tomorrow
[03:43] <Riddell> can anyone get to http://www.smile.co.uk/cgi-bin/sm_launch.cgi?banking  in konqueror?
[03:43] <jjesse> do i need a KubuntuFlight7 wiki page then?
[03:43] <jjesse> Could not connect to host welcome8.smile.co.uk.
[03:43] <Drakeson> Could not connect to host welcome8.smile.co.uk.
[03:44] <Riddell> jjesse, Drakeson: thanks
[03:44] <Riddell> jjesse: there's probably not much to add over beta 2
[03:45] <jjesse> ok so i won't rush a pag
[03:45] <freeflying> Riddell: have you relaced libscim8c2a-0ubuntu7 with 0ubuntu8?
[03:47] <insanekane> hello ... could someone tell which compiler was used to build Qt ?
[03:48] <insanekane> Riddell: ?
[03:48] <Riddell> freeflying: 1.4.4-1ubuntu9 is the latest
[03:48] <Riddell> insanekane: gcc
[03:48] <insanekane> Riddell: by any chance, would you know the version number ?
[03:49] <insanekane> Riddell: I'm getting a segfault in QShared when running a Qt app ..
[03:49] <insanekane> Riddell: thats why I ask
[03:49] <Riddell> 4:4.0.3-1
[03:50] <insanekane> so thats 4.0.3-1ubuntuX ?
[03:50] <Riddell> no, doesn't seem to be
[03:51] <insanekane> 4.0.3-1ubuntu5 ?
[03:52] <Riddell> not what I see here
[03:53] <insanekane> Riddell: thats wierd ... are you talking about package version number or something else ?
[03:53] <Riddell> yes
[03:53] <insanekane> uh ... on dapper ?
[03:54] <insanekane> i'm downloading the latest g++ package ... and it seems to have a version 4.0.3-1ubuntu5
[03:55] <Riddell> oh, I'm looking at the meta package
[03:55] <Riddell> yes, 4.0.3-1ubuntu5
[03:56] <insanekane> Riddell: whew! thanks
[03:56] <insanekane> Riddell: have you ever heard of a segfault happening in QString/QShared ?
[03:57] <Riddell> nope
[03:57] <insanekane> Riddell: ok ... let me try with the new version of gcc ... maybe that might help
[04:07] <abattoir> Riddell: I went through the install CD again... guess I need another hard disk... is there someone i can ask(who made the Ubuntu OEM installer).. or are they busy? :) 
[04:08] <Riddell> abattoir: kamion is the man, he's always busy but usually happy to help on #ubuntu-devel
[04:08] <abattoir> thanks
[04:37] <MrFaber> Hi all
[04:38] <MrFaber> Anyone knows the maintainer of knetworkmanager?
[04:38] <MrFaber> Or should I join motu channel?
[04:40] <Riddell> MrFaber: tonio has done much or the work for kubuntu
[04:40] <Riddell> he's not here just now
[04:40] <MrFaber> thx Riddell 
[04:58] <verwilst_> ubuntu's grub can't handle xfs as /boot?
[05:05] <Drakeson> is there anything similar to http://en.opensuse.org/Build_Service planned for ubuntu?
[05:05] <Riddell> Drakeson: yes, launchpad should offer personal package archives I believe
[05:06] <Drakeson> there is serious point in their approach: it is possible to build packages for other distros
[05:07] <Riddell> yes, that will be nice, although you probably still need to learn RPM and .deb making
[06:22] <Tonio_> hey ;)
[06:22] <Tonio_> Lure: uploading kpowersave
[06:34] <danimo> moins
[06:34] <jpatrick> moin
[06:36] <Tonio_> hey danimo ;)
[06:41] <danimo> hi Tonio_
[06:42] <danimo> does anyone see 8.15.2.dfsg.0ubuntu1 in the repository?
[06:42] <danimo> I can't find it on the uk mirror
[06:42] <Riddell> danimo: of what?
[06:42] <danimo> args, sorry
[06:42] <danimo> gs-esp
[06:42] <danimo> it didn't paste
[06:42] <Riddell> 8.15.1.dfsg.1-1ubuntu3
[06:43] <danimo> Riddell: same here, but bug 41800 references that package
[06:43] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 41800 in gs-esp "Cups fails to print any file with Brother HL-1430" [Normal,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/41800
[06:43] <Riddell> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gs-esp/8.15.2.dfsg.0ubuntu1-0ubuntu1
[06:43] <Riddell> hmm, does seem to be built
[06:43] <danimo> ok
[06:44] <Riddell> danimo: it's here http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/g/gs-esp/
[06:45] <Riddell> who wants a packaging challenge?
[06:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: concernint the kio-tar and kio-zip, I searched for a way yo configure it in a restorable way, but didn't find... I'm investigating
[06:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: packaging what ?
[06:45] <Riddell> Tonio_: I suspected as much
[06:45] <Riddell> Tonio_: libagg
[06:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: anything special I may need about it ?
[06:45] <Riddell> Tonio_: it's rumoured to have a horrible build system
[06:45] <jpatrick> Tonio_: ok, getting this thingys svn
[06:45] <Riddell> I seem to remember trying it once and failing
[06:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: will try, and will patch gnash after that if it is not too late to have a package in
[06:46] <Riddell> danimo: I get it with an  apt-get update
[06:46] <Tonio_> Riddell: interesting, that's a good way to test my packaging skills ;)
[06:46] <danimo> Riddell: it's not on the uk mirror yet
[06:46] <Riddell> patch?
[06:46] <danimo> Riddell: I'd have to switch repos
[06:46] <danimo> Riddell: btw: kio_fonts wants a root password to install fonts as root
[06:46] <danimo> Riddell: can you confirm?
[06:46] <jpatrick> danimo: must be lagging
[06:46] <Riddell> danimo: the UK mirror isn't a mirror, although there are three of them so it's possible they aren't all in sync
[06:46] <danimo> ok
[06:47] <danimo> Riddell: not a mirror == primary ftp?
[06:47] <Tonio_> Riddell: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/libdevel/libagg-dev
[06:47] <Tonio_> Riddell: backporting this maybe ?
[06:47] <Riddell> danimo: yes, it's the primary place
[06:47] <jpatrick> Tonio_: can we push a package to kubuntu.no-ip.org?
[06:47] <Tonio_> jpatrick: sure, do you have ftp access ?
[06:47] <jpatrick> I think
[06:47] <Riddell> Tonio_: oh, that's interesting, don't package it then :)
[06:47] <Tonio_> so let's go
[06:48] <Tonio_> Riddell: hehe ;)
[06:48] <jpatrick> Lure gave my the details a while ago
[06:48] <Tonio_> Riddell: tell me what you want me to do, I'm starting to work on gnash
[06:49] <Riddell> Tonio_: do about what/
[06:49] <Riddell> ?
[06:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: no need to backport for you ?
[06:49] <jpatrick> Tonio_: seen packaging/debian in the gnash src ?
[06:49] <Riddell> Tonio_: it's a sync not a backport, I'm not sure the current status of syncs
[06:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes, sorry for the confusion, I wanted to talk about sync
[06:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: if syncking isn't possible, we can "port" it and get it revued like a normal package, then we'll got it sync with edgy
[06:51] <Riddell> Tonio_: yeah
[06:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: so just let me know ;)
[06:52] <Tonio_> jpatrick: noting concerning gnash on debian
[06:52] <Riddell> hello hiasll 
[06:52] <Tonio_> sounds strange since it is supposed to work, although it is still in developpment
[06:52] <Riddell> Tonio_: could you ask dholbach what the current best practice is?
[06:52] <jpatrick> Tonio_: in gnash's cvs there's a packaging/debian dir
[06:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: sure
[07:07] <danimo> Riddell: did you check the kio_fonts issue?
[07:07] <Riddell> danimo: I don't have time just now
[07:07] <danimo> ok
[07:07] <jpatrick> Tonio_: ok, I'll just wait for you
[07:07] <Tonio_> jpatrick: I already grabbed the sources
[07:07] <Tonio_> I'm quick packaging to check if that works, and then maybe try a better one :)
[07:08] <Tonio_> no need to grab it if that doesn't work at all
[07:08] <jpatrick> there's an existant debian/ dir
[07:14] <Lure> hi
[07:14] <jpatrick> hi Lure
[07:15] <Lure> hi jpatrick
[07:19] <Lure> Tonio_: timo asked if I would be on LT - I have directed him to you. You plan to be there on Sat?
[07:21] <Tonio_> Lure: yes I emailed me ;)
[07:21] <Tonio_> Lure: I will yes
[07:21] <Tonio_> Lure: what to upload ? kpowersave only or both kpower and power ?
[07:21] <Lure> you mail yourself? ;-) Not enough spam?
[07:21] <Tonio_> I didn't look at the moment
[07:22] <Lure> Tonio_: it is just powersave, kpowersave 0.6.1 is not yet released as source (but src.rpm exists in SuSe)
[07:22] <Tonio_> Lure: okay, so you are waiting for sources to be released ?
[07:22] <Lure> Tonio_: I plan to request UFVe for kpowersave if it will fix something useful
[07:23] <Tonio_> k
[07:23] <Lure> powersave packages are on your repo, ready to upload - so when you have time just do it!
[07:27] <Tonio_> Lure: uploaded
[07:28] <Lure> Tonio_: thanks - will you close the bugs or should I do it?>
[07:29] <Tonio_> Lure: I can do if you want
[07:32] <Lure> Interesting - binary package disapeared from LP...
[07:35] <hiasll> hello Riddell 
[08:02] <danimo> am I blind or can I really not close bugs on malone?
[08:03] <Lure> danimo: click on package name and then you can edit status
[08:04] <Lure> (it is quite hidden - but I did not notice this until now ;-))
[08:04] <danimo> yes it is
[08:05] <danimo> Lure: what is the correct status for fixed bugs?
[08:05] <Lure> Fix Commited is typically used if it was commited upstream, but Ubuntu package is not uploaded yet, while Fix Released is used if source package is uploaded to Ubuntu
[08:06] <danimo> ok
[08:06] <danimo> then I'll just wait for ian to close it
[08:08] <Tonio_> if someone wants a server for low price, call me ;)
[08:09] <Tonio_> http://www.dedibox.fr/
[08:09] <Tonio_> I know it is in french, but look at the price.........
[08:09] <Tonio_> and it is a serious company, that's incredible
[08:09] <danimo> does anyone know a way to screenshot xv video? I need to document a bug in xv 
[08:09] <jpatrick> 29,99 euros, I ain't got anything
[08:10] <hiasll> danimo: make a picture with a camera ;-)
[08:10] <danimo> hmmmm :)
[08:48] <Tonio_> Riddell: are there any known issues with kdeprint actually ?
[08:48] <Tonio_> cause I'm having issues here, while gnome-cups-manager works
[08:48] <Riddell> doesn't surprise me too much
[08:49] <Lure> Tonio_: what kind of problem - I am printing without problems (and have added one new printer today)
[08:50] <Tonio_> "error: unable to create driver" something like that
[08:50] <Tonio_> I will try to extract logs Riddell
[08:50] <Tonio_> I hope we will get it working for the release.......
[08:51] <Tonio_> gnome-cups-manager is very nice, so easy to use, autodetects the driver etc....
[08:51] <danimo> Tonio_: so does kde
[08:51] <Tonio_> danimo: in theory, but doesn't work here
[08:51] <danimo> it does for me
[08:51] <Tonio_> I'm getting the full list of drivers and have to select
[08:51] <Tonio_> danimo: maybe because of that "driver creation" error
[08:51] <Tonio_> that can explain
[08:51] <danimo> well, but it chooses the right one by default afair
[08:52] <jpatrick> ok
[08:52] <jpatrick> Tonio_: teagames.com
[08:52] <Tonio_> jpatrick: 2advanced.com
[08:53] <Tonio_> the most beautifull flash based website ever ;)
[08:53] <jpatrick> you got a gnash package?
[08:55] <Riddell> Tonio_: does it work?
[08:55] <Riddell> it just took up all CPU and didn't draw anything when I last tried it
[08:56] <yuriy> i noticed some, if not most, of the SoC ideas listed on the wiki for kubuntu are also listed as ideas on the kde wiki
[08:56] <Riddell> yuriy: some random person added lots of them to the kubuntu wifi page
[08:56] <Riddell> wiki
[08:56] <yuriy> if one were to do one of those, which project would it be better to apply for? I'm thinking kde would make more sense
[08:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: doesn't work on 2advanced
[08:56] <yuriy> upstream type stuff probably shouldn't be on the ubuntu wiki page IMO
[08:57] <Tonio_> but a friend of mine (flash killer) told me that was a kind of exception, it uses about everything existing in flash ;)
[09:05] <Tonio_> Riddell: complete failure :)
[09:05] <jpatrick> ouch
[09:05] <Tonio_> but I will keep the package structure since it builds, to try in a few weeks
[09:05] <Tonio_> jpatrick: it is cvs stuff
[09:05] <Tonio_> maybe it worked yesterday :)
[09:05] <jpatrick> yeah...
[09:06] <Tonio_> anyway, it is annouced for "in a few month", could be cool to have a gpl flash player for edgy
[09:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: did you read dholbach's response concerning libagg ?
[09:06] <Tonio_> we can ask for sync, but we need to say why
[09:06] <Tonio_> so................ why ? :)
[09:09] <danimo> wtf? swat ends in sigabrt
[09:15] <Tonio_> jpatrick: the standalone player works
[09:15] <Tonio_> gnash foo.swf is really impressive
[09:15] <Tonio_> so the only issue is the firefox plugin
[09:15] <Tonio_> that will work soon
[09:17] <Tonio_> I don't get any sound but the animation plays very nicelly :)
[09:26] <Tonio_> Riddell: the kdeprint bug is a db-foomatic one
[09:26] <Tonio_> rolling back the package works
[09:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: the bug is known in debian :http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=360785
[09:27] <Ubugtu> Debian bug 360785 in foomatic-db "Subject: foomatic-db: generation of ppd files is broken" [Grave,Closed]  
[09:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: new version of foomatic-db correct the issue, so maybe we could ask for sync no ?
[09:32] <abattoir> Riddell: I've just had a look at the Ubuntu OEM Installer... The User is asked questions w/ the help of dialogs(something like KDialog, but GTK-ish ;) ). I think what I have proposed goes beyond that. So I'd be more than glad to do what has been done in Ubuntu, and if your satisfied, then I can make it look like what I have propsed in my application... 
[09:33] <abattoir> *proposed
[09:37] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm building and testing latest debian version, and if that works, I will ask for sync
[09:37] <Tonio_> dholbach gave me the process
[09:40] <jpatrick> groovy
[09:40] <Tonio_> build is done, now testing ;)
[10:05] <Tonio_> jpatrick: fix fails......
[10:05] <Tonio_> I will subscribe to the debian bug and wait a wit...
[10:05] <Tonio_> bit
[10:07] <jpatrick> ok
[10:08] <jpatrick> sorry, bit over-excited here
[10:12] <Tonio_> jpatrick: fix works ;)
[10:12] <Tonio_> but I had to perform a foomatic-cleanupdrivers first
[10:12] <Tonio_> I just wonder how can we automate the fix
[10:12] <Tonio_> postinst maybe
[10:13] <jpatrick> what I was thinking
[10:13] <Tonio_> jpatrick: I will ask for sync
[10:13] <Tonio_> biggest kdeprint issue on the way, YEAH :)
[10:22] <Tonio_> jpatrick: the package seems to just got in ^^
[10:22] <Tonio_> I will not have to ask for sync then
[10:22] <jpatrick> so your work is done
[10:22] <Tonio_> nope, doesn't work again........
[10:31] <Tonio_> jpatrick: yes, dist-upgrade + foomatic-cleanupdrivers works
[10:31] <Tonio_> nice ;)
[10:45] <marseillai> i think it can be take as a compliment : http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2006/05/laptops-and-laundry.html
[10:46] <Lure> true, nice read
[10:50] <marseillai> i thought big developper as him was using gentoo or lfs because they often have tom compile ... i'm surprise
[11:52] <pygi> night all