[12:02] <dave40> then killa -9 that apps pid#
[12:02] <dave40> does that make sense?
[12:03] <dave40> soz - kill -9 (the process id, eg 2351)
[12:03] <steveire> I'll try. thanks
[12:03] <dave40> you'll see it on the left of teh output from "ps ax", in a terminal
[12:04] <dave40> man ! I always alwasy type "teh"! :-(
[12:04] <steveire> thanks. It worked
[12:04] <dave40> another good one is:
[12:04] <steveire> downthemall in firefox is being a cunt
[12:04] <dave40> fuser -c /dev/"whatever your cdrom/dvd device is"
[12:05] <dave40> it shows which  process is holding the cdrom and preventing it from opening
[12:05] <dave40> then you can "kill -9 " that process id :-)
[12:06] <dave40> or you just use : fuser -ck /dev/whatever, but that often makes X restart which can be a bitch
[12:06] <steveire> Linux is complicated. Very overwelming when you start out...
[12:06] <dave40> ja
[12:07] <dave40> but M$ was too when you started out
[12:07] <dave40> people forget
[12:07] <dave40> and Linux is much much more fun
[12:07] <dave40> start installing mencoder and acidrip and k9 and you'll see :-)
[12:07] <steveire> very very true :)
[12:07] <dave40> you have a decent graphics card?
[12:08] <steveire> I'm not sure what's on this laptop.
[12:08] <steveire> What are those apps?
[12:08] <dave40> dvd ripping
[12:08] <steveire> k9 is modelling?
[12:08] <steveire> ah
[12:08] <dave40> soz - k9copy
[12:08] <dave40> mencoder can rip just about anything
[12:09] <dave40> cli though - but there's lots of docs online
[12:09] <dave40> you know DVDshrink for windows?
[12:10] <dave40> I'm gone
[12:16] <beingmrkenny> I've royally fscked everything up! i resized my screen, then when i restarted X the screen came up completely garbled. Is there a way of resetting the display to default through the command line (recovery mode works fine, obviously)
[12:20] <vanhammersly> beingmrkenny: have you tried
[12:20] <vanhammersly> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[12:20] <vanhammersly> ?
[12:21] <beingmrkenny> no, but I will...
[12:21] <CaNsA> i have a 20g hdd in my lappy. i have kubuntu installed to a 10g partition #1, a swap on #5, then i installed winxp on the on a 9.5g partition. dual boot didnt happpen. i have installed grub to the mbr and have managed to enter kubuntu again. but now, windows isnt listed in a boot menu. any help would be class
[12:22] <vanhammersly> xp has to be first, i believe
[12:22] <vanhammersly> you running breezy or dapper kubuntu?
[12:22] <CaNsA> breezy
[12:22] <vanhammersly> i'd clean install and start again
[12:22] <beingmrkenny> vanhammersly: thanks, hope this works!
[12:23] <vanhammersly> can:
[12:23] <vanhammersly> CaNsA: try this video
[12:23] <vanhammersly> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6104490811311898236&q=
[12:23] <CaNsA> vanhammersly, there must a way of fixing this with out spending an entire day doing it again
[12:24] <vanhammersly> xp install is the longest
[12:24] <CaNsA> no its not
[12:24] <CaNsA> i have spent 10 hrs doing the installs
[12:24] <vanhammersly> did linux install take long?
[12:24] <vanhammersly> 10 hours?
[12:24] <CaNsA> yeah
[12:25] <vanhammersly> whoa
[12:25] <vanhammersly> didn't take me that long
[12:25] <vanhammersly> about three
[12:25] <CaNsA> its a shitty cd drive on the laptop
[12:25] <vanhammersly> ah
[12:25] <vanhammersly> gotcha
[12:25] <vanhammersly> hmmm
[12:25] <vanhammersly> well, check the video
[12:25] <vanhammersly> see if you set the boot paramaters correctly
[12:25] <vanhammersly> i think probably not
[12:25] <CaNsA> k
[12:25] <vanhammersly> in my opinion, best bet is proper reinstall
[12:28] <ports-> hey
[12:30] <Seantater> Hot do I get quicktime to work?
[12:30] <Seantater> s/hot/how
[12:32] <vanhammersly> mplayer
[12:32] <vanhammersly> i think ubuntu forums has a walkthrough
[12:32] <vanhammersly> can't find link now
[12:33] <vanhammersly> maybe try automatix
[12:34] <_tonia> hi everybody
[12:34] <steveire> Anyone use downthemall with ff? there's noone in #ff
[12:34] <_tonia> what can i do to take hi id in amule?
[12:34] <vanhammersly> Seantater: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=84742
[12:35] <steveire> can anyone coonnect to irc.mozilla.org?
[12:37] <_tonia> can anyone help me with my problem? heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelp
[12:37] <dave40> what is it? - just got here
[12:37] <_tonia> what can i do to take hi id in amule?
[12:37] <dave40> heh
[12:38] <dave40> the file sharing prog?
[12:38] <Seantater> easyubuntu crashes on my computer and will not start..
[12:39] <Seantater> is it still possible to get quicktime to work -- I'm not afraid of the CLI
[12:39] <dave40> can you start it in a terminal and see error messages
[12:39] <_tonia> dave40: yeah
[12:39] <_tonia> so?/
[12:40] <dave40> emule - don't you have to upload a lot first?
[12:40] <_tonia> i don't know
[12:40] <vanhammersly> Seantater: try automatix
[12:40] <vanhammersly> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=138405&highlight=kubuntu+automatix
[12:40] <dave40> I don't use it - or perhaps make  a lot available assume by hi id you mean you get preference?on download
[12:41] <vanhammersly> there's a kubuntu link at bottom
[12:41] <vanhammersly> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=151387
[12:41] <Seantater> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/694525 is the problem with easyubuntu
[12:41] <_tonia> dave40:  do you use any 2P2 program?
[12:41] <vanhammersly> dunno
[12:41] <vanhammersly> maybe
[12:41] <Seantater> okay -- I'll try automatix
[12:41] <vanhammersly> i used automatix and it went w/out a hitch
[12:42] <vanhammersly> it takes a little bit
[12:42] <_tonia> what takes a little bit
[12:42] <_tonia> ?
[12:42] <vanhammersly> automatix
[12:42] <_tonia> what is this
[12:42] <vanhammersly> takes a little while for it to get and install everything
[12:42] <_tonia> i am new to linux
[12:43] <vanhammersly> a script that installs useful packages
[12:43] <dave40> you don't use synaptic or adept?
[12:43] <Seantater> oops -- can't use automatix.. It does not work on dapper
[12:43] <vanhammersly> i do
[12:43] <dave40> define "useful"
[12:43] <Shadowmil> Hey, I am tryar.ing to install Firefox on Kubuntu 5.10, I downloaded the the tar.gz file, and pulled thecontents out into the /etc/firefox folder, what do I need next to install it?
[12:43] <dave40> :-)
[12:43] <vanhammersly> ha!
[12:43] <_tonia> synaptic
[12:44] <ports-> anyone upgraded from Breezy to Dapper?
[12:44] <dave40> firefox - there's a version available in dapper
[12:44] <vanhammersly> ports:
[12:44] <vanhammersly> i updated
[12:44] <Seantater> ports-: yes
[12:44] <ports-> Shadowmil:  just install Firefox via Adept
[12:45] <ports-> how did the upgrade work out?
[12:45] <vanhammersly> meh
[12:45] <vanhammersly> not too bad
[12:45] <Seantater> so I still can;t use quicktime?
[12:45] <dave40> you mean view quicktime?
[12:45] <ports-> vanhammersly:  anything broken?
[12:45] <Shadowmil> port, how?
[12:45] <dave40> movies I mean?
[12:45] <Seantater> yes, quicktime movies
[12:45] <ports-> Shadowmil: menu > utilities > Adept  search for Firefox
[12:45] <_tonia> ok i will try myself
[12:46] <ports-> err its under System not Utilities
[12:46] <vanhammersly> do a search for w32codecs
[12:46] <vanhammersly> for quicktime
[12:46] <dave40> have you installed the restricted packages?
[12:46] <Seantater> which restricted packages?
[12:46] <Shadowmil> ports: I do not have that, at lest where you said it should be
[12:46] <Seantater> search where?
[12:46] <vanhammersly> internets
[12:46] <Seantater> I've looked at the restrictedformats page on the wiki
[12:47] <vanhammersly> ubuntu forums good for it
[12:47] <Shadowmil> ports: I am useing verison 5.10 which is not the newest verison, I might not have that
[12:47] <ports-> Shadowmil: menu > System > Adept  search for Firefox
[12:47] <dave40> ja - ubuntu forum was where I saw it
[12:48] <Shadowmil> ports :(  Might it have another name then Adept?
[12:48] <dave40> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[12:48] <Shadowmil> found it
[12:48] <Shadowmil> thanks
[12:48] <Seantater> dave40: already tried it..
[12:49] <Seantater> ah -- read it over again -- i'll try it..
[12:49] <dave40> :-D
[12:49] <dave40> I have to do that a lot - re-read I mean
[12:50] <dave40> specially at one in the morning
[12:51] <Shadowmil> ports, it says its installed, but its not in my menu,  what folder might it be in?
[12:51] <dave40> soz - what is this "ports"?
[12:52] <dave40> try running the name from the command line
[12:52] <Shadowmil> ports the person
[12:52] <dave40> you often have to restart X to get the menus updated
[12:53] <dave40> ah! *embarrassed*
[12:53] <dave40> so you want firefox?
[12:53] <dave40> it's mozilla-firefox I think
[12:55] <Spudchat> ok, i just reinstalled and followed the guide on the restricted formats page for how to play avi files and all that, but the problem is that only totem supports playing of those formats i would like to use kaffeine
[12:56] <Spudchat> any ideas on what i should install? im using kubuntu dapper
[12:56] <dave40> um - I have the same problem - just living with it for now
[12:57] <Spudchat> hmm ok
[12:57] <dave40> not ok :-)
[12:57] <Spudchat> eheh not much i can do about it though :P
[12:58] <h3sp4wn> libxineextracodecs ?
[12:58] <dave40> in kaffeine - click on settings-->xine engine settings
[12:59] <Spudchat> libxineextracodecs are not found
[12:59] <vanhammersly> i use mplayer
[12:59] <vanhammersly> in kaffeine
[12:59] <h3sp4wn> Spudchat: have you installed the win32 codecs (as specified in the restricted formats page)
[12:59] <dave40> just type libxine -it's actually libxine-extracodecs
[12:59] <Spudchat> yes
[01:00] <Spudchat> E: Couldn't find package libxine
[01:00] <dave40> thank for that :-)
[01:00] <Spudchat> im pretty sure i have all the repos enabled
[01:00] <dave40> have you enabled all youtr repositories?
[01:01] <Spudchat> hmm it seems i missed the multiverse maybe? i see backports bugfixes and universe
[01:02] <dave40> it is in multiverse yes - just checked
[01:02] <luterano> sou novo no ubuntu
[01:03] <luterano> algum pode me ajudar ?
[01:08] <bixter> whats backports for? do I need that with multiverse installed?
[01:08] <bixter> err set?
[01:11] <mrfishhat> Anyone want to help with networking issues?
[01:12] <Spudchat> allright finally enabled multiverse and installed libxine-extracodecs
[01:13] <Spudchat> woooooohooooooooooooo thanks a lot for the help fellas it works
[01:13] <Spudchat> bixter, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports
[01:14] <Spudchat> mrfishhat, what kind of networking?
[01:14] <bixter> Spudchat ty
[01:15] <waylandbill> anyone know when dapper officially comes out?
[01:15] <bixter> does any1 use backports?
[01:15] <apokryphos> waylandbill: current release date is set for first of june
[01:15] <waylandbill> apokryphos: cool. ty
[01:16] <waylandbill> just got dsl today... I'm lovin it. :-)
[01:16] <apokryphos> =)
[01:17] <waylandbill> finally entered the 21st century... heck... I've even got running water too  :-D
[01:17] <apokryphos> nice
[01:19] <waylandbill> only thing breezy bothers me with is can't warm reboot and clock drifts unless I use ntpdate often. Suse didn't do that, but I find kubuntu easier to use other than those two quirks.
[01:19] <waylandbill> the clock is dealable with though with a crontab that fixes the clock regularly.
[01:20] <waylandbill> it's gotta be a kernel difference or something.
[01:22] <visik7> warm reboot u mean using kexec ?
[01:22] <visik7> and what clock drifts ?
[01:24] <_mrfishhat> its just i keep losing my connection
[01:24] <beingmrkenny> i've broken everything again! tried to reconfigure xwindows after chaning the display resolution using the administration tools. When I started up the screen was all garbled so I ran sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. When I started up again, it presented me with the login screen, but when i entered my details the login screen came back again
[01:25] <_mrfishhat> whilst no one else seems to
[01:27] <beingmrkenny> i'm guessing this has something to do with xwindows, but can't figure out what
[01:28] <beingmrkenny> it definately recognises my password, cos it rejects false ones...
[01:30] <protocol1> thats weird when I closed a window stream running on ff1.5.0.2 it was still playing?
[01:31] <protocol1> will Kubuntu 6.0.6 be out the same time dapper is released?
[01:32] <m_memmory> can anyone help?  I originally installed Ubuntu 6.06 and have been using that and I decided that I'd try out KDE.  So I did apt-get install kubuntu-desktop.  It installed everything and I was then, eventually, asked which environment I wanted to use and I selected KDE
[01:32] <m_memmory> but I've just restarted and it's booted into Gnome again
[01:33] <beingmrkenny> before you login, there's a menu button that has some options. click KDM (or KDE) that'll log you into the KDE
[01:33] <beingmrkenny> does the kubuntu login thingy come up?
[01:33] <m_memmory> the kubuntu login does show up
[01:34] <m_memmory> also, when loading, the kubuntu loading screen came up instead of ubuntu
[01:34] <beingmrkenny> yeah,there should be a a blue Menu button, click on that and then on Session type. The option you want is KDE
[01:34] <beingmrkenny> i just checked :)
[01:34] <m_memmory> cool
[01:34] <m_memmory> thanks - I'll try it now
[01:37] <m_memmory> it worked.. thanks beingmrkenny
[01:38] <beingmrkenny> oh good, i'm glad
[01:38] <beingmrkenny> now if only i can get mine to work!!!!
[01:38] <m_memmory> lol
[01:39] <m_memmory> I'd offer some help... but I've not had much use of KDE before (really I'm new to Linux - I just like to learn new stuff)
[01:39] <beingmrkenny> yeah, me too
[01:39] <beingmrkenny> i managed to break it so that after i login, it gives me the login screen straight back again
[01:39] <beingmrkenny> it's very annoying
[01:39] <m_memmory> I can imagine that would be very annoying
[01:40] <beingmrkenny> yeah, i'm considering just reinstalling the whole thing and having done with it
[01:40] <protocol1> KDE  is nice
[01:40] <beingmrkenny> oh i love KDE, just can't make it work again :'(
[01:40] <HymnToLife> beingmrkenny> check permissions of your /home
[01:40] <protocol1> i preffer it over gnome for some reason
[01:40] <beingmrkenny> hymntolife: how can i do that?
[01:41] <HymnToLife> basically, sudo chown -r username /home/username && sudo chmmod -R 644 /home/username should do the trick
[01:41] <HymnToLife> chmod*
[01:41] <HymnToLife> if that's the issue, I had the same thing with my GNOME once
[01:42] <beingmrkenny> and just put that in the command line thingy for the terminal login?
[01:42] <HymnToLife> yep; after logging in of course
[01:43] <beingmrkenny> chown?
[01:45] <beingmrkenny> dammit, operation not permitted
[01:46] <m_memmory> I think it could be chmod
[01:46] <HymnToLife> beingmrkenny> with sudo ?
[01:46] <beingmrkenny> yeah, logged in as sudo -i and it didn't throw any errors
[01:47] <beingmrkenny> crapulence, it didn't work
[01:47] <beingmrkenny> basically i get the kubuntu login screen, and when i type in my user and pass it disappears and the screen goes blank, but then it reappears as if i hadn't logged in in the first place
[01:48] <beingmrkenny> oooh, could not start kstartupcongif. Check your installation
[01:48] <beingmrkenny> that's new
[01:49] <beingmrkenny> oh i could cry! this is so frustrating!
[01:49] <HymnToLife> reinstall everything :)
[01:50] <beingmrkenny> yeah i was thinking that
[01:50] <beingmrkenny> alas, all that work for nothing! and all because i tried to change the screen resolution, it is so bizarre
[01:51] <beingmrkenny> oh well, i'm just going to admit defeat and go to bed :( it's so disappointing!
[01:53] <beingmrkenny> is there anyway to uninstall grub?
[01:53] <beingmrkenny> i think what i'm going to do is wait for dapper to come out properly before i start tinkering with it
[01:55] <h3sp4wn> beingmrkenny: switch to kdm from gdm
[01:55] <beingmrkenny> i can'
[01:55] <beingmrkenny> t login
[01:55] <beingmrkenny> to either
[02:00] <h3sp4wn> beingmrkenny: sudo rm -rf .kde (will delete all kde settings and recreate next time you login)
[02:00] <Seantater> I tried kaffeine, totem, kmplayer, and totem-xine, with w32codecs, with ffmpeg, but I *_/STILL/_* cannot watch a .mov!
[02:01] <beingmrkenny> oooh sounds like it might work!
[02:01] <apokryphos> Seantater: example file?
[02:01] <Seantater> beingmrkenny: just in case you need them I suggest you just rename it..
[02:01] <Seantater> apokryphos: http://movies.apple.com/movies/us/apple/getamac_ads1/viruses_480x376.mov
[02:02] <Seantater> apokryphos: I liked the first one and wanted to see the rest..
[02:02] <apokryphos> don't you  need libquicktime1 or something?
[02:02] <apokryphos> !find quicktime
[02:02] <ubotu> Ubuntu Package Listing of 'quicktime' (4 shown): libquicktime-dev ;; libquicktime1 ;; quicktime-utils ;; quicktime-x11utils.
[02:02] <Seantater> but which one?
[02:02] <beingmrkenny> Seantater: rename what, and how?
[02:03] <h3sp4wn> sudo mv .kde .kdebackup
[02:03] <apokryphos> Seantater: that file works fine for me with xine
[02:03] <apokryphos> (with no w32codecs)
[02:03] <Seantater> apokryphos: how?!
[02:03] <apokryphos> I think I have quicktime libs though
[02:03] <Seantater> apokryphos: I've tried over and over and it says xine cannot decode it
[02:03] <apokryphos> install the above
[02:03] <Seantater> okay -- libquicktime1 then..
[02:04] <Seantater> and I think I'll uninstall the rest..
[02:04] <apokryphos> Seantater: install libquicktime1 and quicktime-utils quicktime-x11utils
[02:04] <apokryphos> no need
[02:04] <beingmrkenny> it's telling me there's no file or directory
[02:05] <h3sp4wn> what is your username ?
[02:05] <beingmrkenny> my username?
[02:05] <h3sp4wn> yes ...
[02:05] <beingmrkenny> maerk
[02:06] <h3sp4wn> spelt like that ?
[02:06] <beingmrkenny> indeed
[02:06] <h3sp4wn> sudo mv /home/maerk/.kde /home/maerk/.kdeold
[02:07] <beingmrkenny> right, it seemed to accept that, but it didn't confirm it or anything
[02:08] <elknof1> does enybody knows how to partition a usd hard drive
[02:09] <beingmrkenny> poo, no effect, still logs in as kubuntu and then failes
[02:09] <beingmrkenny> oh i don't believe this! it's so annoying!!!
[02:10] <apokryphos> elknof1: install gparted
[02:10] <vanhammersly> beingmrkenny: what happened?
[02:11] <elknof1> thanks
[02:11] <AngryElf> hey all, i asked in #ubuntu but you guys might know better.....i'm trying to compile Amarok on #ubuntu and ./configure is complaining about missing KDE headers.......is there a package for this, i cant seem to find one
[02:11] <AngryElf> on ubuntu....not the channel :/
[02:11] <apokryphos> AngryElf: sudo apt-get build-dep amarok
[02:11] <apokryphos> !build-dep
[02:11] <ubotu> APT's build-dep tool will automatically resolve build dependencies for you. Simply sudo apt-get build-dep <package>
[02:12] <AngryElf> then i can ./configure and make etc?
[02:12] <h3sp4wn> beingmrkenny: login to the console and just run xinit then try to run startkde from the terminal then you can see the error messages
[02:12] <beingmrkenny> vanhammersly: well, from the top, i was running kubuntu and it was all fine, then i resized the desktop resolution. then i restarted, cos it told me to, and the screen was completely garbled, I used sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[02:12] <apokryphos> AngryElf: you should be able to, yes.
[02:12] <AngryElf> sweet
[02:12] <AngryElf> thanx
[02:12] <elknof1> does it matters that i have kde??
[02:12] <beingmrkenny> and then when i tried to to login again it wouldn't let me
[02:12] <elknof1> i mean gparted is for gnome... isnt it?
[02:12] <apokryphos> elknof1: it doesn't matter, nope.
[02:13] <elknof1> ok
[02:13] <elknof1> thanks
[02:13] <apokryphos> gparted is more mature than qtparted, which is the Qt-equivalent
[02:13] <vanhammersly> can't log in to kde at all?
[02:13] <beingmrkenny> no, i enter username and pass, click login, screen goes blank, and then the login screen comes right back
[02:14] <apokryphos> beingmrkenny: kill kdm and then startx manually and tell us the output
[02:14] <apokryphos> beingmrkenny: kill kdm by (i) going to another tty (Alt+Ctrl+F1), and (ii) sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop
[02:14] <elknof1> hey really... thanks  this konversation tool is awesome...  i wouldnt have an idea of what to do if it wasnt cause of this
[02:14] <elknof1> thanks
[02:15] <apokryphos> :)
[02:15] <vanhammersly> beingmrkenny: new video card or drivers?
[02:16] <beingmrkenny> apokryphos: sorry, completely confused :S
[02:16] <WhyM> Hi all, it seems after today's updates Dapper won't boot anymore... :'( Does anyone have a clue?
[02:16] <apokryphos> beingmrkenny: type ctrl+alt+F1
[02:17] <apokryphos> beingmrkenny: then login and sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop
[02:17] <beingmrkenny> um, no no no, I just did that thing with dpkg reconfigure and it all went mad
[02:17] <beingmrkenny> !
[02:17] <ubotu> beingmrkenny: parse error: Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[02:17] <apokryphos> beingmrkenny: then just type plain "startx", and let us know the output
[02:18] <beingmrkenny> oh right, first I lose the maerk@ubuntu thing, then it tells me there are timeouts waiting for locking authority file#
[02:18] <beingmrkenny> /.Xauthority
[02:18] <apokryphos> can you paste the exact output?
[02:18] <apokryphos> only the parts that mention "error"
[02:18] <apokryphos> (not warnings)
[02:18] <reiki> apokryphos: ok I like the blue :)
[02:19] <beingmrkenny> erorr isn't there specifically
[02:19] <beingmrkenny> xauth: timeout in locking authority file //.Xauthority
[02:19] <beingmrkenny> is what it says
[02:19] <apokryphos> reiki: cool 8). KDE is a lot better :P
[02:20] <reiki> hehe
[02:20] <apokryphos> beingmrkenny: there's no mention at all there of "error"?
[02:20] <apokryphos> you wouldn't be taken back to the black screen if there wasn't one...
[02:20] <beingmrkenny> no
[02:20] <beingmrkenny> isn't this fun!
[02:20] <Seantater> apokryphos: phooey..
[02:21] <beingmrkenny> no no erros, just time outs
[02:21] <Seantater> apokryphos: I installed what you said -- to no avail..
[02:21] <beingmrkenny> another file: //.serverauth.5009
[02:21] <apokryphos> beingmrkenny: looks like you mucked up your permissions for your x server
[02:21] <beingmrkenny> hooray!
[02:21] <apokryphos> is it the ~/.Xauthority file that it complains about?
[02:21] <beingmrkenny> i have no idea how i managed that. I thought I was good with computers!
[02:22] <beingmrkenny> /.Xauthority to quote it exactly
[02:22] <beingmrkenny> oops... there's two slashes
[02:22] <apokryphos> hm
[02:22] <apokryphos> reconfigure your xorg and if the problem persists then let me know
[02:22] <vanhammersly> i suggested that earlier
[02:22] <beingmrkenny> that's what started thewhole thing off in the frist place
[02:22] <vanhammersly> sounds like this is what started
[02:22] <apokryphos> beingmrkenny: so try it again
[02:23] <apokryphos> what graphics card do you have?
[02:23] <vanhammersly> how are you configuring video card?
[02:23] <vanhammersly> apokryphos: sorry
[02:23] <apokryphos> for what? :)
[02:24] <vanhammersly> apokryphos: jumping on same question. i think you're helping more than me
[02:24] <beingmrkenny> heavens only knows, I'm afraid. Well it was working absolutely perfectly before!
[02:24] <apokryphos> vanhammersly: no worries 8)
[02:24] <apokryphos> beingmrkenny: well, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg now
[02:24] <apokryphos> select driver "vesa"
[02:24] <apokryphos> ....if you don't know which card you have
[02:25] <apokryphos> though lspci|grep -i vga will probably tell you
[02:26] <beingmrkenny> yeah, selected vesa last time around...
[02:26] <billytwowilly> how do I turn off the playlist in kaffeine?
[02:26] <beingmrkenny> ok, what info do you want?
[02:27] <apokryphos> beingmrkenny: did you configure it? Did it finish?
[02:27] <beingmrkenny> yeah, it finished
[02:27] <beingmrkenny> the login n screen appears at 1024 and not flickering wildly, so it seems fine
[02:27] <h3sp4wn> billytwowilly: settings toolbars then untick playlist toolbar
[02:27] <apokryphos> you typed startx?
[02:27] <beingmrkenny> (before the res was massive and it flickered far too slowly)
[02:28] <apokryphos> incorrect refresh rate/resolution
[02:28] <beingmrkenny> yes, that was it
[02:28] <beingmrkenny> yes, typed startx and got the timeout messages
[02:28] <Armagguedes> hello
[02:28] <billytwowilly> h3sp4wn: that keeps the playlist around, just doesn't have the playlist toolbar...
[02:29] <apokryphos> beingmrkenny: huh? It's not working?
[02:29] <billytwowilly> h3sp4wn: I want to disable it completely. I don't want a playlist to be kept.
[02:29] <Armagguedes> i have this huge problem concerning burned DVDs, which i cant read no matter what
[02:30] <Armagguedes> data dvds w/ video files whose filesystem is iso9660+joliet
[02:30] <vanhammersly> beingmrkenny: have you given your pc a restart?
[02:30] <Armagguedes> i've documented the best i can @ http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=963336 and would appreciate any help
[02:30] <beingmrkenny> vanhammersly: many, many times :
[02:33] <vanhammersly> do you have a video card installed, or integrated video card?
[02:33] <vanhammersly> like an ati or nvidia card?
[02:34] <beingmrkenny> VGA Compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Rage 128 PF/PRO AGP 4x TMDS
[02:34] <beingmrkenny> I did that grep thing
[02:34] <vanhammersly> word
[02:34] <vanhammersly> i had problems w/ ati card as well
[02:35] <vanhammersly> breezy or dapper?
[02:35] <beingmrkenny> dapper!
[02:35] <beingmrkenny> it's the only one that (supposedly) supports my wireless adapter without having to mess around with ndiswrapper
[02:36] <h3sp4wn> beingmrkenny: what wireless adapter (chipset)
[02:37] <beingmrkenny> rausb0? It's belkin, and the part no is 7050D, something like that
[02:37] <beingmrkenny> F5D7050
[02:38] <vanhammersly> beingmrkenny: take a look at this post
[02:38] <vanhammersly> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=143283
[02:39] <vanhammersly> ati drivers are a pain, though.
[02:42] <beingmrkenny> ok i tried some of that, but ran into
[02:42] <beingmrkenny> "not found" errors
[02:42] <vanhammersly> okay
[02:42] <vanhammersly> what was not found?
[02:42] <beingmrkenny> thing is, it was working perfectly until i changed the res/refresh rate
[02:43] <beingmrkenny> package linux-restricted-modules
[02:43] <vanhammersly> i see
[02:43] <vanhammersly> do you have ati drivers installed?
[02:43] <beingmrkenny> i don't know i'm afraid
[02:43] <vanhammersly> now, also, when you say changed res/refresh how did you do that?
[02:44] <vanhammersly> was it through dpkg-reconfigure?
[02:44] <beingmrkenny> no i did it through the GUI, when kubuntu was still working
[02:44] <beingmrkenny> there was a nice sliding bar, it was lovely :)
[02:45] <vanhammersly> what comes up when you enter fglrxinfo
[02:45] <vanhammersly> ?
[02:45] <beingmrkenny> i get bashed! command not found
[02:45] <h3sp4wn> Its not a radeon so you don't want use fglrx
[02:46] <vanhammersly> right
[02:46] <beingmrkenny> sorry this must be so frustrating for you guys!
[02:46] <vanhammersly> naw, i feel bad
[02:46] <vanhammersly> i suggested that one thing and now you're out
[02:47] <beingmrkenny> no not at all, this whole linux thing has been a big experiment, and nothing so far is irreversible, if the worst comes to the worst I'll just reformat the partition and start again
[02:49] <beingmrkenny> i just want to make it work without having to resort to drastic measures like that :D
[02:50] <vanhammersly> beingmrkenny: yeah, no doubt
[02:50] <vanhammersly> and vesa doesn't work for video
[02:50] <beingmrkenny> well, it feels too much like giving up :D plus it's so tantalisingly close!
[02:51] <vanhammersly> so when you get into dpkg and it asks for video card, have you tried the ati selection?
[02:51] <beingmrkenny> no... will do hang on
[02:51] <vanhammersly> if so, does it properly recognize your video card afterwards?
[02:52] <beingmrkenny> but first, I'm totally confused as to how this will fix the login problem!!!
[02:52] <vanhammersly> i wasn't able to login with my ati card before changing the xserver-xorg settings
[02:52] <vanhammersly> i could login then it would hang
[02:53] <vanhammersly> i don't know that this will fix it
[02:53] <beingmrkenny> right, well it's worth a shot
[02:53] <beingmrkenny> seems so unrelated! the marvels of computer science!
[02:53] <vanhammersly> ha!
[02:54] <beingmrkenny> ho ho "xservers-xorg is not installed"
[02:54] <vanhammersly> no
[02:54] <beingmrkenny> yup, tried it under maerk and root
[02:54] <vanhammersly> that's what happens when you type sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[02:55] <h3sp4wn> kenny: can you run xinit from a terminal ?
[02:55] <beingmrkenny> yes, if you mean the font changes to a more "modern" looking one
[02:55] <beingmrkenny> hehe
[02:56] <vanhammersly> wha?
[02:56] <vanhammersly> huh
[02:57] <h3sp4wn> ?
[02:57] <beingmrkenny> sorry for this blasphemy, but before it looked like MS-DOS, but now it looks more like a modern OS. I mean the text is nicer and there's an upright cursor, haha
[02:57] <beingmrkenny> does that make more sense?
[02:57] <h3sp4wn> have you loaded xinit ?
[02:58] <beingmrkenny> well, i think so
[02:58] <beingmrkenny> it tells me server is already active for display 0
[02:58] <beingmrkenny> when i type xinit again
[02:58] <h3sp4wn> and it starts up and there is just a teminal in white in one corner ?
[02:58] <beingmrkenny> yes!
[02:59] <h3sp4wn> try doing sudo aptitude install enlightenment
[02:59] <h3sp4wn> we will just test from another windows manager to check is working
[03:00] <h3sp4wn> then try running kde from the terminal and see what the errors are
[03:00] <beingmrkenny> o packagaes installed, upgraded 0 to remove
[03:00] <beingmrkenny> right, how do i run KDE?
[03:01] <h3sp4wn> run startkde
[03:01] <beingmrkenny> what do you know, it appears to be working
[03:01] <h3sp4wn> but the debug messages will be displayed on the terminal
[03:01] <beingmrkenny> KDE is up and running!
[03:02] <vanhammersly> nice!
[03:02] <beingmrkenny> and it's got the proper resolution and everything
[03:02] <beingmrkenny> wow, it's like a black cloud has lifted :D
[03:03] <beingmrkenny> so does anybody know why that worked?
[03:04] <h3sp4wn> because it avoided gdm/kdm
[03:04] <beingmrkenny> ah i see
[03:04] <beingmrkenny> well i've written that down for future reference
[03:04] <h3sp4wn> one of is not working properly
[03:04] <h3sp4wn> you don't want have have to do that really every time
[03:05] <beingmrkenny> is there a way of getting it fixed? i mean, will upgrading help?
[03:06] <beingmrkenny> oh i love linux, it's so gorgeous! and when it works again it's like the sun comes out :D
[03:08] <h3sp4wn> what are you currently running ?
[03:08] <h3sp4wn> upgrading to dapper are you talking about #?
[03:08] <beingmrkenny> program-wise, or OS wish
[03:08] <beingmrkenny> oh I'm already on Dapper
[03:09] <mrfishhat> how is dapper?
[03:09] <beingmrkenny> I installed one of the flight disks for Ubuntu and got kubuntu-desktop
[03:09] <h3sp4wn> did you just install kubuntu or crossgrade from ubuntu
[03:09] <mrfishhat> i was contemplating leaving breezy for the dap
[03:09] <beingmrkenny> mrfishhat: I love it! I just like the interfact, it's more intuitive for windows users, and there's more options
[03:09] <ubuntu> how can i know the ubuntu version im runningh ?
[03:10] <beingmrkenny> i don't know, it just feels more linuxy :D
[03:11] <mrfishhat> beingmrkenny: would you recommend the upgrade?
[03:11] <beingmrkenny> ubuntu: you might find it in the help files
[03:11] <h3sp4wn> beingmrkenny: do ls -la /dev | grep null
[03:12] <beingmrkenny> mrfishhat: (great name) um, dapper is currently in beta, so unless you're quite happy to sit through lots of setup, it might be best to wait til June
[03:13] <ubuntu>  Kubuntu Dapper Drake: the 6.04 Release. <- in about kubuntu make file
[03:13] <ubuntu> help file
[03:13] <h3sp4wn> beingmrkenny: if you don't get crw-rw-rw- then that may be it
[03:13] <beingmrkenny> that might be it, i'm really not sure to be honest, i've only just started with linux myself :D
[03:14] <h3sp4wn> do a sudo aptitude update sudo aptitude dist-upgrade
[03:15] <h3sp4wn> alot of kde packages have been changed recently (i.e today)
[03:15] <beingmrkenny> yup, downloading them now
[03:18] <mrfishhat> beingmrkenny: by setup do you mean manual installs?
[03:18] <beingmrkenny> h3sp4wn: do you have a URL at all, so I can post it to my blog by (small) way of saying thanks
[03:18] <mrfishhat> beingmrkenny: or an automated installer
[03:19] <beingmrkenny> mrfishhat: i mean sitting around on the IRC channels asking for help and typing lots of weird looking things into your screen :D#
[03:19] <h3sp4wn> beingmrkenny: http://www.dirtytechno.org - but its nothing to do with linxu
[03:19] <h3sp4wn> beingmrkenny: http://www.dirtytechno.org - but its nothing to do with linux
[03:20] <mrfishhat> beingmrkenny: ah well till june!
[03:20] <beingmrkenny> no, that's cool, i'll do that at some point. Well, I think I'm going to call it a night!
[03:20] <beingmrkenny> mrfishhat: that's what I said, but I managed to get it working alright!
[03:21] <beingmrkenny> well, the lovely people here managed to get it working :D
[03:21] <MEtaLpREs> is there anyway to get flash 8 working on linux?
[03:21] <mrfishhat> download the file
[03:21] <mrfishhat> and use wine
[03:21] <mrfishhat> thats what i do
[03:21] <beingmrkenny> right, well, good night folks!
[03:21] <mrfishhat> bye
[03:24] <raymond_> anyone up?
[03:29] <mrfishhat> was it wise of me to apt-get the entire kde package?
[03:30] <mrfishhat> even thou i already have kubuntu
[03:30] <CheeseBurgerMan> Well, seems a bit pointless.
[03:44] <reiki> ok well... I'm not sure why... but KDE seems to take longer to update when you make a change. Things kind of freeze for a few seconds and then it's ok. Is that maybe because it's not the default? Maybe because I just installed the kubuntu-desktop on what WAS a Ubuntu (Gnome) system?
[03:45] <apokryphos> reiki: nope
[03:45] <apokryphos> though, got any examples?
[03:45] <reiki> heheh... ok... then what gives? I expected a bit snappier performance
[03:45] <CheeseBurgerMan> I only notice it when I enable the pseudo-transparency in the Crystal win-deco
[03:45] <reiki> example: change a desktop setting. Hit Apply... freeze.... done!
[03:46] <theverant> I broke Adept... can anyone help?  It was updating, and froze the system.  I rebooted and now it will only open in viewer mode
[03:46] <reiki> CheeseBurgerMan: I'm still trying to FIND transparency. I selected it in a couple places but I don't see anything being transparent
[03:46] <theverant> how can I release the database?
[03:46] <CheeseBurgerMan> reiki: Have you enabled the composite in your xorg.conf?
[03:47] <apokryphos> reiki: what desktop setting?
[03:47] <reiki> apokryphos: almost any desktopsetting. Almost any configuration change to anything... hit apply... freeze... then it's ok
[03:47] <reiki> CheeseBurgerMan: manual edit?
[03:48] <CheeseBurgerMan> Yep
[03:48] <apokryphos> reiki: it's pretty snappy here...
[03:48] <CheeseBurgerMan> Snappy over here too.
[03:48] <reiki> apokryphos: oh I don't doubt it. I'm thinking I played with something I shouldn't (that didn't take long now DID it...)
[03:49] <reiki> maybe I need to UNselect anything that says transparency
[03:50] <CheeseBurgerMan> No...you probably need to edit the xorg.conf and restart the X server. :P
[03:50] <reiki> CheeseBurgerMan: and my little 64meg card is gonna be ok with composite enabled?
[03:51] <CheeseBurgerMan> Works OK on my 32MB ATI X200M
[03:51] <reiki> ok I'll give it a go :)
[03:51] <protocol1> I cant wait to get me a computer desk
[03:52] <reiki> protocol1: want mine? 60" oak rolltop, double pedestal
[03:52] <reiki> yYOU move it
[03:52] <reiki> :)
[03:52] <clearcam> hey
[03:52] <clearcam> whats up every one
[03:53] <protocol1> haha....I preffer metal
[03:53] <protocol1> 5 year warranty
[03:55] <reiki> CheeseBurgerMan: in the xorg.conf file... searched for composite... not found
[03:55] <CheeseBurgerMan> reiki: Just a minute, I'll find what you need to add.
[03:57] <CheeseBurgerMan> reiki:  http://gentoo-wiki.com/Xorg_X11_and_Transparency#Setting_up_X_Composite_Extension
[04:00] <reiki> grrr... ok ... how to edit with sudo? hehehe... I feel stupid all over again
[04:01] <CheeseBurgerMan> 'kdesu kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf'
[04:01] <apokryphos> if you want transparency go for xgl
[04:01] <apokryphos> not old composite extension
[04:01] <CheeseBurgerMan> apokryphos: Not in breezy.
[04:01] <apokryphos> old composite is buggy and slow if you don't have a great card
[04:01] <reiki> I'm not in Breezy
[04:02] <CheeseBurgerMan> Oh
[04:02] <CheeseBurgerMan> Then xgl. :P
[04:02] <apokryphos> reiki: /msg ubotu xgl
[04:02] <CheeseBurgerMan> !xgl
[04:02] <ubotu> XGL on Ubuntu: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/XglHowto - Join #ubuntu-xgl for all the XGL fun on Ubuntu systems. It works ONLY on dapper. Pretty videos on http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease/
[04:02] <apokryphos> if you  have.. time :)
[04:03] <reiki> ack... that looks terrible
[04:03] <reiki> :)
[04:03] <reiki> looks almost like cooking... but the recipe is written in a foreign language
[04:03] <reiki> AND... the cook has had too much wine
[04:08] <reiki> wow... unchecked transparency in Window Decoration and that IMMEDIATELY speeded things up
[04:08] <reiki> and it appears I'm not having that few seconds of freeze
[04:10] <reiki> so... advice is... don't select transparency if you haven't messed with XGL or composite
[04:33] <rr72> how do i know what version im rnning?
[04:34] <yogi> Anyone else having trouble with kmail's filter rules?
[04:34] <rr72> how do i know what version?
[04:35] <rr72> like if its breezy or not
[04:35] <rr72> any ideas?
[04:37] <rr72> why have a channel if noonw talks in it?
[04:37] <rr72> gay freaks
[04:39] <regeya> question of the year:  "<rr72> how do i know what version im rnning?"
[04:39] <regeya> here's to you, mr. vague question asker.
[04:40] <regeya> sure, those pansies down in the mail room might have asked about what version of the calculator program, but not you.
[04:40] <regeya> you stick to your guns and ask a question as broad as 'why am I here' without a trace of irony.
[04:41] <regeya> and for that we salute you.
[04:41] <yogi> Now that I have your attention... I'm talking about rules not being executed.
[04:42] <yogi> I set many rules in both POP & msg filters & they are not being executed at all.
[04:43] <yogi> Bye, all...
[05:31] <gyrate> hey guys, i installed w32codecs, but i still cant play most of my videos in kaffeine
[05:31] <gyrate> i get sound but no video
[05:31] <gyrate> any tips?
[05:31] <gyrate> they usually work in mplayer for some reason...
[05:34] <regeya> mplayer rocks.
[05:34] <regeya> depends on the video.
[05:34] <regeya> help us help you.
[05:35] <gyrate> i can only view mpegs i guess
[05:35] <gyrate> thats what it looks like so far
[05:36] <regeya> okay, so you're having problems with audio in mpegs???!?
[05:36] <gyrate> no, sorry
[05:36] <gyrate> mpegs are the only thing that seems to work properly
[05:37] <gyrate> sometimes i get audio in avi's and wmv's
[05:37] <gyrate> but no video
[05:38] <gyrate> basically, it looks like installing w32codecs didnt do anything
[05:40] <pyrobob> quick question.  I put in a new DVD burner, but my machine doesn't pick it up
[05:41] <gyrate> oh, i see.  there are seperate codecs for gstreamer...
[05:41] <pyrobob> it lets me play stuff with it, and reads stuff from it, but I can't cd to it (like I can with the floppy drive or another file)
[05:42] <regeya> gyrate: some videos floating about cannot be played by anything but WMP
[05:42] <regeya> and by WMP I mean WMP on Windows
[05:42] <gyrate> regeya: they used to play in gentoo
[05:42] <regeya> oh.  well, that's grand.
[05:42] <gyrate> so i must be missing a codec
[05:42] <regeya> all we need to know now is what the gentooers did differently from the ubuntuites.
[05:42] <pyrobob> wait, what?
[05:43] <gyrate> i think its something to do with gstreamer
[05:43] <gyrate> i had problems with that on gentoo too
[05:43] <regeya> gyrate: I suggest using the xine backend to kaffeine...iirc dapper will use taht by default (thank $YOUR_DEITY_OF_CHOICE)
[05:44] <gyrate> regeya: i think thats what i did in gentoo
[05:44] <gyrate> i dont see where to change that though...
[05:44] <regeya> gyrate: well...ok.  same here.  any time I get a choice between gstreamer and xine, I go xine.  gstreamer will be awesome someday, I'm sure...hang on...
[05:45] <regeya> gyrate: searh for a package named kaffeine-xine
[05:45] <brandon_> didn't there used to be more screensaver choices than this? do i have to install teh xscreensaver package to add to the total?
[05:45] <regeya> if my typos get any worse,I could be an E17 dev
[05:47] <regeya> gyrate: any luck?
[05:47] <gyrate> hmm, i see the option to change the player engine now
[05:47] <gyrate> i have kaffeine and gstreamer
[05:48] <regeya> try xine; I'd be willing to bet that most your problems will go away.
[05:48] <regeya> whee.
[05:48] <gyrate> wow, if i enable xine, my box crawls
[05:48] <regeya> :(
[05:49] <gyrate> and kaffeine crashed ;)
[05:49] <gyrate> oh, i unstalled kaffeine-gstreamer
[05:50] <gyrate> that seems to have made it better...
[05:50] <gyrate> yes, its all working now
[05:50] <regeya> very strange...oh, good.
[05:50] <gyrate> it was that damn gstreamer ;)
[05:50] <gyrate> thanks
[05:51] <regeya> :)  I was just thinking, though, that I have a slow machine, am transcoding a video with avidemux and have Star Wars: Revolutions WMV playing smoothly.
[05:51] <regeya> I cheated a bit, though; I bumped avidemux's priority up +10
[05:51] <regeya> down
[05:51] <regeya> whatever
[05:51] <gyrate> yeah, i guess xine and gstreamer dont like being installed together
[05:51] <gyrate> for some reason
[05:53] <gyrate> ok, time for bed!  thanks again
[05:53] <regeya> np
[05:55] <ep> what tools (gui/cli) might I use to make create a CD image file (iso)?
[05:57] <stevekl> ep: mkisofs
[05:58] <keith> Anyone know why I would not be able to download stuff in Ktorrren?
[05:58] <keith> I mouse hover over the link and it just gives some java crap (change element 1) or something.
[05:59] <ca38aspear> is it only ktorrent or all bit torrent programs
[05:59] <keith> Well the Ktorrent is the only one I've tried so I really don't know.
[05:59] <keith> Seems like a global Java variable isn't set or something.
[06:00] <ca38aspear> what verson of java do you think is installed
[06:00] <keith> 1.4
[06:00] <rafael> hello all
[06:01] <ca38aspear> are you comfortable with command line
[06:01] <keith> Of course, I've been in Unix/Linux for about 10 year.  :-)
[06:02] <keith> I just jumped from Mandrake to Kubuntu. Love most if it except this little thing.
[06:02] <ca38aspear> if so you can get java 5 that solves a few problems also the apt-get has a few other bit torrent programs i don't know the package name off hand
[06:03] <ca38aspear> i never heard of a java problem on ktorrent but 8 times out of 10 and upgrade will do it
[06:03] <keith> No problem getting a newer java,,, but is KDE setting some global variable for java other than the users shell profile?
[06:04] <fatejudger> I'm having a little trouble with KMPlayer, it doesn't seem to be able to detect Xine
[06:04] <keith> Ok doing the upgrade of Ktorrent now.
[06:04] <ca38aspear> i would have to have you test another java program like open office to see if there is a java problem or if it is just ktorrent
[06:04] <fatejudger> what does KTorrent have to do with Java?
[06:05] <rafael> well, ktorrent acts a little funny once in a while
[06:05] <keith> Ktorrent links are java script.
[06:05] <fatejudger> java script and Java are not the same
[06:05] <fatejudger> they are COMPLETELY different
[06:06] <keith> yes I know, I'm searching in the dark here because everything else has hosed on me.
[06:06] <fatejudger> what is your problem?
[06:07] <ca38aspear> keith: I mouse hover over the link and it just gives some java crap (change element 1) or something.
[06:08] <fatejudger> it's not Java!
[06:09] <fatejudger> it's Javascript
[06:09] <fatejudger> the fact that they're names are similar is purely coincedental
[06:09] <keith> ya I know, we've already established that.. Anything else to add?
[06:09] <fatejudger> they have absolutely no affiliation with each other
[06:09] <fatejudger> you still haven't explained what your problem is
[06:09] <fatejudger> I've never had a problem with KTorrent
[06:10] <keith> yes I have explained it and it's also been reposted by ca38apear after you started in.
[06:10] <fatejudger> no it wasn't
[06:11] <keith> for the 3rd time now............ A mouse hover simply gives a java script message of    (change element 1), clicking the link gives nothing and produces nothing.
[06:12] <fatejudger> be more specific
[06:12] <fatejudger> what exactly are you talking about?
[06:12] <fatejudger> in what context
[06:13] <keith> how can I be more specific?   I do a search in Ktorrent, the link to click to download a file shows the previously mentioned message.
[06:13] <fatejudger> KTorrent 1.2?
[06:13] <keith> I'm doing an upgrade via apt-get now, maybe that will produce something worth while.
[06:15] <keith> It is Ktorrent 1.0.. I'm suprised it's so old since I just did a brand new install of both Kubuntu and Ktorrent.
[06:20] <rafael> i have a question
[06:20] <rafael> does anybody know how to install the xgl stuff to kubundu?
[06:21] <rafael> i've seen tuts for ubuntu, but no kubuntu at all
[06:21] <mrfishhat> it should be the same
[06:21] <rafael> i tried to do it but it comes to a part where you have to edit the gdm config file
[06:22] <rafael> of course, if you have kde you don't have gdm
[06:22] <mrfishhat> couldnt you just change the g to a k?
[06:22] <rafael> am I wrong?
[06:22] <mrfishhat> you wouldnt have gdm
[06:22] <mrfishhat> you have kdm
[06:23] <rafael> i think the path it's different
[06:23] <rafael> you're right
[06:24] <mrfishhat> i havent tried to inst it
[06:24] <rafael> so, one of the tutorials said to install gmd but i didn't think it was a good idea
[06:25] <mrfishhat> if it only accepts gnome
[06:25] <DocTomoe> Hi ... I have a Sharp Zaurus 5500G and want to put files on it (basically, any file. Syncing with Kontact works fine now). the Zaurus is connected via usb0. any ideas how to do this?
[06:26] <mrfishhat> is the much else you could try?
[06:27] <rafael> i didn't want to mess with the X system
[06:27] <rafael> so i didnt go any further
[06:29] <unix_infidel> how do i get rid of the start up init messages at boot?
[06:29] <unix_infidel> change initab to default to 3?
[06:30] <fatejudger> is there something I need to install for KMPlayer to work?
[06:30] <fatejudger> it says that it can't find the xine player
[06:30] <fatejudger> but I was sure I had most if not all xine related packages installed
[06:31] <_toni> hi all
[06:31] <rafael> did you try " sudo aptitude kmplayer" ?
[06:31] <fatejudger> rafael: I hope that was a joke
[06:32] <rafael> im a total newbie
[06:32] <fatejudger> lol, ok
[06:32] <rafael> hehe
[06:32] <fatejudger> I'm not, which makes a dumb question like this all the more embarrassing for me
[06:32] <mrfishhat> i would have used adept
[06:32] <mrfishhat> or synaptic
[06:33] <fatejudger> too slow for me
[06:33] <fatejudger> CLI is fast
[06:33] <rafael> CLI?
[06:33] <fatejudger> Command Line Interface
[06:33] <fatejudger> the Terminal
[06:33] <rafael> ok
[06:33] <mrfishhat> i dont really worry bout speed
[06:35] <rafael> what's the difference in speed?
[06:35] <fatejudger> it doesn't install any faster
[06:35] <mrfishhat> cli is only limited to as fast as you type
[06:35] <fatejudger> it's just faster to type it
[06:35] <fatejudger> then wait for adept to load
[06:35] <fatejudger> do a search
[06:35] <fatejudger> and then install it
[06:36] <mrfishhat> you get it all started faster
[06:36] <rafael> all right
[06:36] <unix_infidel> anyone, i'm trying to get the init messages that kubuntu gives me to go away and make it use the standard cli init?
[06:36] <unix_infidel> so i do that with initab or with menu.lst?
[06:36] <fatejudger> I can do it in about a fourth of the time it takes to install it in adept
[06:36] <rafael> i got it
[06:43] <unix_infidel> ,ummmmm, ANYONE, for this simple question
[06:43] <unix_infidel> inittab or menu.lst, which do i edit to make the ubuntu init list not come but rather the regular init kernel boot list?
[06:43] <unix_infidel> along with regular init.
[06:44] <unix_infidel> its currently defaulting at 2 instead of 3
[07:51] <protocol1> is anyone there?
[07:51] <mrfishhat> yes
[08:58] <Chryseus> yuoi/win	20
[09:12] <noname> how do i install java
[09:14] <Hobbsee> !+java
[09:14] <ubotu> To install Java/Sun Java see Java on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats and also see !javadebs
[09:14] <Hobbsee> !+javadebs
[09:14] <ubotu> Java can be found in multiverse. Sun (i386) debs here: http://mirror2.ubuntulinux.nl IBM (PPC) debs here: http://giannaros.org/buntu/breezy.  UNOFFICIAL debs of more recent JRE's can be found in Seveas's repositories.  See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[09:14] <Hobbsee> noname: ^
[09:23] <remke> I've messed up my /etc/init.d/wpasupplicant file, is it possible for someone to post me his/her file (dapper drake) ? thx
[09:27] <Hobbsee> remke: sure, give me a sec
[09:28] <Hobbsee> er, except that i dont have one... sorry
[09:28] <Seveas> Dapper no longer has an initscript for it
[09:35] <remke> ? how does dapper then start wpasupplicant ?
[09:38] <dave40> "/etc/wpa_supplicant/ifupdown.sh"
[09:38] <dave40> wpa_supplicant is in the /sbin dir - so it's a system binary
[09:39] <dave40> maybe simpler if you force a reinstall of wpa_supplicant with adept/synaptic
[09:39] <Hobbsee> remke: checked out knetworkmanager yet?
[09:39] <Hobbsee> if not, you should
[09:41] <remke> wifi-radar is also nice :)
[09:43] <Hobbsee> true
[09:43] <Hobbsee> IIRC, it doesnt do wpa...
[09:43] <remke> from where is ifupdown.sh started ?
[12:00] <r0xz> is there any reason why to not use a symlink twice to get to a file?
[12:00] <r0xz> i mean, symlink a->b and then use b->c to get to c
[12:01] <r0xz> or isn't this even possible?
[12:08] <r0xz> hmm, doesn't work, hehe
[12:08] <r0xz> is there a way to make such a link work twice?
[12:12] <nubuntu> hi
[12:34] <roniez> wth is this..
[12:34] <roniez>  sudo pico /etc/motd
[12:34] <roniez> sudo: unable to lookup midgard via gethostbyname()
[12:37] <_peter> hi
[12:43] <sikor_sxe> i have upgrade to dapper and i experience a lot of problems
[12:43] <sikor_sxe> like suspend to ram/disk not working anymore
[12:44] <sikor_sxe> and a lot of crashes
[12:44] <sikor_sxe> where can i check what causes this crashes?
[01:12] <genio> #kubuntu-es #ubuntu-es
[01:19] <gan|y|med> hallo
[01:20] <gan|y|med> ciao
[01:38] <Seantater> help -- adept crashed and left dpkg locked..
[01:38] <Seantater> what do i do?
[01:39] <r0xz> Seantater: i always restart when that happens, but it there might be a command to get it unlocked (but i don't know it)
[01:40] <Seantater> Perhaps I simply needed to be patient -- a few seconds later it worked..
[01:40] <r0xz> one of the reasons i don't like and use adept is because it crashes from time to time
[01:41] <Seantater> Phooey -- still no mov's..
[01:41] <r0xz> i do apt-get or aptitude to install, and browse with adept if i really have to
[01:41] <Seantater> Anyone know how to get quicktime to work>
[01:42] <r0xz> Seantater: works here..
[01:42] <Seantater> r0xz: did you do anythign special?
[01:42] <Seantater> r0xz: Mine does not..
[01:43] <Seantater> r0xz: Are you using dapper or breezy?
[01:43] <r0xz> Seantater: w32codecs, libxine---- (have to look this up) and gstreamer-all
[01:43] <r0xz> dapper
[01:43] <Seantater> okay -- I'll try those
[01:44] <r0xz> Seantater: i used sourc-o-matic to extend my sources.list btw (you might need that)
[01:44] <r0xz> libxine-extracodecs
[01:46] <r0xz> and gestreamer0.8-plugins-multiverse
[01:47] <r0xz> that's all
[01:47] <Kadran> hi, i use kmldonkey and it seems that i am not connected to any server and don't know how to get a list of servers :(
[01:47] <Seantater> r0xz: working on them -- thanks!
[01:47] <r0xz> *gstreamer0.8-plugins-multiverse
[01:48] <suyog> soffice.bin crashes with error 11, any help?
[01:49] <r0xz> Kadran: it's a while ago i used edonkey, but what i remeber is that you need a server.met file to get going
[01:54] <Kadran> r0xz: thanks i will search for the file and add
[01:55] <r0xz> http://ed2k.2x4u.de/uduqwv4h/min/server.met
[01:57] <Seantater> r0xz: It WORKED!
[01:58] <Seantater> r0xz: I've been working on that for a entire day -- trying solution after solution..
[01:58] <Seantater> r0xz: thanks!
[01:59] <r0xz> np :)
[02:13] <mhterres> morning
[02:15] <suyog> soffice.bin crashes with error 11, any help?
[02:18] <suyog> soffice.bin crashes with error 11, any help?
[02:26] <Drakeson> Riddell: ping
[02:32] <Riddell> Drakeson: hi
[02:35] <roniez>  sudo pico /etc/motd
[02:35] <roniez> sudo: unable to lookup midgard via gethostbyname()
[02:35] <roniez> how can i fix that?
[02:38] <Riddell> roniez: fix /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname
[02:38] <roniez> how can i do that when i cant sudo?
[02:38] <Riddell> you may need to reboot with init=/bin/bash
[02:38] <roniez> hm.. how?
[02:38] <Riddell> google for editing the grub boot paramaters
[02:39] <Riddell> hit escape at the right time then 'e' and add init=/bin/bash
[02:39] <roniez> ok
[02:39] <roniez> thx
[02:46] <Drakeson> have you checked the build system of opensuse (http://en.opensuse.org/Build_Service) ?
[02:48] <CaNsA> where abouts is the file that will control my cpu fan? i would like to set it so that it is on all the time, not only when it reaches the thermal threash-hold
[02:50] <nysosym> Hi all
[03:02] <vloaminux> hallo iedereen
[03:02] <vloaminux> is er hier iemand die nederland praat ?
[03:03] <vloaminux> en ken er iemand een goed grapfich ftp server programma ..?
[03:03] <steveire> !nl
[03:03] <ubotu> Op #ubuntu-nl staat de koffie al voor je klaar.
[03:04] <vloaminux> voor mij wel lol
[03:04] <steveire> sprechen sie deutsch?
[03:04] <steveire> Ich verstehe nicht
[03:04] <vloaminux> ik och nicht
[03:05] <steveire> How do I rmdir a dir that isn't empty?
[03:08] <steveire> i did rm -R dir
[03:09] <Drakeson> rm -Rf ?
[03:10] <m0ns00n> Where's /dev/sg0 in dapper?
[03:10] <m0ns00n> After the upgrade I can't find my scsi scanner
[03:15] <visik7>  I can't undestand how mapping of hotplug in /etc/network/interfaces works even after have read the manpage and some debian manuals usually should be mapping <real_iface> but in default ubuntu install there is a mapping hotplug and I don't undestand what it means
[03:26] <ubuntu> Anyone know how to start the install of the Kubuntu live cd?
[03:27] <xwolf-> it's a live cd
[03:27] <xwolf-> it's not supposed to be installed.
[03:27] <ubuntu> Yes, this new kubuntu 6.06 dapper beta 2 live cd
[03:27] <ubuntu> I see screen shots of the intstaller
[03:27] <ubuntu> But don't know where to find the installer.
[03:28] <Drakeson> Riddell: what is the state of the artwork now?
[03:28] <Riddell> Drakeson: about final
[03:28] <Riddell> ubuntu: the Install icon is on the desktop
[03:29] <ubuntu> The screenshots are on <https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuDapperBeta>
[03:31] <ubuntu> Boy do I feel sheepish.
[03:31] <Drakeson> Riddell: I have some issues with the current ones, (e.g. windeco)
[03:31] <ubuntu> I was expecting it in a system menu or on the boot menu.
[03:31] <ubuntu> tkx
[03:34] <Riddell> Drakeson: kwwii is our art man, poke him (but he's at linuxtag this week)
[03:34] <Drakeson> Riddell: thanks :)
[03:35] <Drakeson> there are minor issues, I wish them to get solved before the release. I'll poke ken
[03:36] <Drakeson> btw do you plan to have QtCurve kstyle theme in dapper?
[03:42] <nox-Hand> Hey
[03:43] <nox-Hand> I have used Linux for a long time, and I am known with it, and I wish to try Kubuntu, as I am told it has nice and quick KDE and stuff. But, my question is - should I get the 5.10 (( stable )), or should I go gor 6.06 (( unstable )) ?
[03:44] <Riddell> Drakeson: I'm not planning on it, feel free to package it, or ther may already be packages somewhere we could upload
[03:44] <Riddell> nox-Hand: try dapper beta 2
[03:44] <xwolf-> nox-Hand if you're not in a hurry, you could wait till the dapper release next month
[03:45] <nox-Hand> xwolf-, Next month? Meh, can't the BETA be upgraded to a full stable next month? I am impatient :P
[03:45] <nox-Hand> Riddell, Dapper Beta 2.. How unstable is it? Not much?
[03:46] <xwolf-> well, i am not even looking at dapper until the release... i wanna taste it with all smooth
[03:46] <Riddell> nox-Hand: live cd installer is still in testing, printing may or may not have isues, otherwise fine
[03:46] <nox-Hand> Oh, yes, it uses the GUI installer - interesting =) I don't have a printer, so meh :D
[03:47] <nox-Hand> Riddell, How about upgrading, will that take a full new install (( if I get Dapper Beta 2, and the new one gets out next month ))
[03:47] <nox-Hand> I am fine with having to leave my PC to upgrading packages and stuff, just, is it difficult?
[03:48] <Riddell> nox-Hand: no, just update adept updater and it'll download the packages which have changed
[03:48] <xwolf-> i'm getting a little problem here... i managed to keep a static ip for myself, but looks like the default gateway is not found and i have to 'sudo route add default gw 192.168.254.254' everytime i start breezy
[03:48] <nox-Hand> Riddell, Great - will download 6.06 now then X)
[03:49] <steveire> Hey. So I've backed up the stuff that I want from my home directory, and my logs from Konversation, and FF bookmarks. I'm gonna do a clean dapper install. Is there anything else I should backup first?
[03:49] <nox-Hand> Which one should I get to have the GUI install BETA with me?
[03:49] <Riddell> xwolf-: install breezy-updates for a fix
[03:50] <Riddell> nox-Hand: live/desktop CD
[03:50] <Riddell> steveire: /etc ?
[03:51] <nox-Hand> Riddell, Cheers
[03:52] <steveire> Don't think there's much in there for me to keep
[03:56] <nox-Hand> Riddell, i.e, this: kubuntu-6.06-beta2-live-i386.iso.torrent   - Yes?
[03:56] <xwolf-> Riddell the package name is "breezy-updates" right? if it is, i can't find it in adept.
[03:57] <Riddell> nox-Hand: yes
[03:57] <nox-Hand> Jolly good
[03:57] <nox-Hand> Thanks =)
[03:57] <Riddell> xwolf-: breezy-updates is the repository, you need to enable it in "Manage Repositories", then just do an update
[03:58] <xwolf-> oh.
[03:58] <xwolf-> well, it is enabled. lemme update.
[04:00] <nox-Hand> I wonder whether I should get the torrent or not... Meh, why not.. Will get correct MD5 then..
[04:00] <xwolf-> Riddell i'm supposed to run Full Upgrade or Fetch Update (already done this one)?
[04:03] <Riddell> xwolf-: Fetch Update then Full Upgrade
[04:11] <Hoobly> is there a PDF of the KUBUNTU Quick Guide anywhere?
[04:15] <mhterres> Riddell: ping
[04:16] <Riddell> mhterres: hi
[04:16] <Riddell> Hoobly: no, quick guide is being replced by desktop guide
[04:16] <mhterres> Riddell: any prevision of the shipit starts to accept the requests from Dapper ?
[04:16] <Riddell> no idea
[04:16] <mhterres> ok, thanks
[04:18] <Hoobly> anyone have a suggestion for a introductory guide that I can print out for disto with machines that are going to families without computers?
[04:18] <Hoobly> I work at a non-profit and we give away our older machines.
[04:19] <ep> It's probably no big deal running apt-get dist-upgrade, I got a warning on argument order on the mozilla-thunderbird package. (http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/696162)  How do i fix?
[04:20] <ep> can I edit the chrome registry?
[04:23] <ep> That's cool Hoobly.
[04:25] <Hoobly> ep:  so?  any ideas other than printing out the "Quick Guide" one page at a time?
[04:28] <ep> No, I imagine there's something.  I'm just not the person to ask. Sorry.
[04:29] <ep> The might have some ideas on  the forums.
[04:29] <mhterres> Hoobly: Why "one page at a time" ?
[04:32] <Hoobly> mhterres: the only "Quick Guide" i could find was at http://www.kubuntu.org/docs/kquickguide/C/index.html and the only way (I could see) for printing the whole thing is clicking links and printing the pages one at a time
[04:37] <mhterres> hmmm, I see :-(
[04:38] <CaNsA> Hoobly, u busy?
[04:38] <Hoobly> not too busy
[04:38] <CaNsA> jammin, can i pick your brains?
[04:38] <CaNsA> i got a prob with my mouse
[04:38] <Hoobly> why?  if I'm not busy I should just print them out one at a time? :)
[04:38] <CaNsA> lol
[04:39] <CaNsA> i have a 5button mouse, and im not surte as to how i should set it up
[04:39] <CaNsA> sur*
[04:39] <CaNsA> ffs
[04:39] <mhterres> Hoobly: maybe give a CD with this quick guide it'll be better
[04:40] <Hoobly> mhterres: I thought about that, but they might not be savy enough to pop the cd in and read the files within
[04:40] <Hoobly> mhterres: they might not even speak english
[04:40] <Hoobly> lol!  spanish is most likely their first language
[04:40] <mhterres> but it's more difficult to read a manual if you just print the HTML pages
[04:41] <ep> Little off topic, but it wouldn't  surprise me if  some pretty nice computers get donated to non-profits. These things fill up with spyware, get slow and people think they're broke.
[04:41] <redjack> it's a french channel or no ?
[04:41] <Hoobly> ep: sometimes.  we mostly get PII's with win98 installed
[04:42] <ep> ah
[04:42] <Hoobly> I think most people are savy enough now or they call a geek squad of some sort to remove spyware.  spyware removal probably isn't a bad gig.  takes at most an hour and the tools are free, so if you charge $19-$30/hour, you're in good shape
[04:43] <ep> Microsoft keeping the wheels turning... :)
[04:43] <Hoobly> In any case, if no one has any other ideas, I'll put the shizzle on CD.
[04:43] <Hoobly> ep: word, brutha!
[04:48] <n3storm> hi everyone
[04:48] <n3storm> any hint about how to configure my wifi card on kubuntu?
[04:48] <HymnToLife> !wireless
[04:48] <ubotu> rumour has it, wireless is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards if it does not work out of the box https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WifiDocs/Driver/Ndiswrapper windows drivers
[04:49] <n3storm> knetworkconfig crashes
[04:53] <xwolf-> is there a way to make a second ethernet connection... like eth1 with a static ip and gateway different from those of eth0, then alternate through them with kcontrol?
[04:54] <xanax`> hello
[04:54] <mhterres> hello
[04:58] <nox-Hand> ** joins in** Hello
[05:04] <DizzyDiz> Hello all!
[05:04] <DizzyDiz> Are there any regex gurus in the house?
[05:05] <nox-Hand> - silence -
[05:06] <xwolf-> DizzyDiz whats wrong?
[05:07] <DizzyDiz> I need the inverse of a regular expression and I don't know how to code it
[05:07] <DizzyDiz> I have this expression
[05:07] <DizzyDiz> .*server/eb.*(DXO\.class|PK\.class)
[05:07] <DizzyDiz> It matches these strings:
[05:07] <DizzyDiz> Com/icsaward/award/server/eb/supplier/SupplierTM.class
[05:07] <DizzyDiz> com/icsaward/award/server/eb/glperiod/GlperiodDXO.class
[05:07] <DizzyDiz> com/icsaward/award/server/eb/glperiod/GlperiodPK.class
[05:08] <DizzyDiz> Well it matches the last two of those and I need it to match only the first one.
[05:09] <xwolf-> you mean it matches all the three, but the last two are evil
[05:09] <DizzyDiz> Basically I want to say matche anything under the server/eb package except for classes ending in DXO.class or PK.class
[05:09] <DizzyDiz> No it matches the last two and not the first one
[05:10] <DizzyDiz> I want the inverse of that
[05:10] <xwolf-> oh, right.
[05:10] <DizzyDiz> I'm looking for a group negate operator but regex doesn't have one
[05:10] <DizzyDiz> I tried a negative lookahead...
[05:10] <DizzyDiz> But that didn't work right either.
[05:11] <xwolf-> there is something like (?!...), ever heard of it?
[05:11] <DizzyDiz> Yeah the negative lookahead
[05:11] <DizzyDiz> I'm not coding it right or something thoug
[05:11] <DizzyDiz> .*server/eb.*(?!DXO\.class|PK\.class)
[05:11] <DizzyDiz> Matches all three
[05:12] <DizzyDiz> .*server/eb.*(?!(DXO\.class|PK\.class)) matches all three as well
[05:14] <DizzyDiz> Even .*server/eb.*(?!DXO\.class) matches all three...
[05:14] <DizzyDiz> Negative look-aheads don't seem to be working for me.
[05:14] <xwolf-> probably because .* is too greedy
[05:14] <DizzyDiz> I think that is the answer but there's sumnI'm not doing right
[05:15] <DizzyDiz> Too greedy eh?
[05:15] <DizzyDiz> Help me understand a little
[05:15] <xwolf-> the dot is the master wildcard, right?
[05:16] <DizzyDiz> Yeah
[05:16] <xwolf-> it will match EVERYTHING or NOTHING.
[05:16] <xwolf-> together with *, that is.
[05:16] <xwolf-> so, everything could me match with this single er .*
[05:16] <xwolf-> s/me/null
[05:16] <vijay> hi all, how to install 2.4 kernel on my system
[05:16] <xwolf-> i'd be more specific, DizzyDiz.
[05:17] <DizzyDiz> I thinkI'm following...
[05:17] <xwolf-> the lookahead seems fine.
[05:18] <DizzyDiz> So how do I use the lok ahead to find what I need in my case?
[05:18] <xwolf-> so, if you always have .../server/eb/something/fileXXX.class
[05:19] <CaNsA> i have managed to get the fan on my laptop on by doing echo "force_on:1" > fan
[05:19] <CaNsA> but when i reboot it reverts back to its original setting
[05:19] <CaNsA> how can i stop this?
[05:19] <xwolf-> you check for server/eb/ [a-zA-Z0-9-] +\/[a-zA-Z0-9] (DXO|TM|PK)\.class
[05:20] <xwolf-> o'course you're gonna put the lookahead right there
[05:20] <xwolf-> corrections: after the second []  you must put a +
[05:21] <DizzyDiz> I'll try it... one sec...
[05:22] <DizzyDiz> That doesn't match any of them, but I think I'm seeing your point...
[05:22] <DizzyDiz> Still confused though
[05:22] <xwolf-> the other way is to magically negate a word.
[05:23] <xwolf-> you don't understand portuguese, do you?
[05:23] <DizzyDiz> No
[05:23] <DizzyDiz> I wishI did
[05:23] <xwolf-> basically, it's like this
[05:24] <xwolf-> suppose you have the word 'char'
[05:24] <xwolf-> you need to negate it.
[05:24] <xwolf-> you could build a gigantic:
[05:24] <ep> I'm using dd to create an iso file of a windows cdrom disk, hence file names may contain spaces etc.  Is this good enough or should i use mkiso instead?
[05:25] <xwolf-> [^c] |c[^h] |ch[^a] |cha[^r] 
[05:25] <xwolf-> DizzyDiz got it?
[05:25] <DizzyDiz> Umm...
[05:25] <DizzyDiz> That looks really verbose
[05:25] <xwolf-> but the problem is
[05:26] <xwolf-> if it's not at the beggining or at the end, the first one will always match :)
[05:26] <ep> Better question how do I check the md5 sums of both the original desk and the iso file I just created on my home directory to make sure they match?
[05:26] <ep> *original cdrom disk I mean
[05:27] <DizzyDiz> Say, xwolf, are you going to be here in about another hour or so?
[05:27] <xwolf-> probably.
[05:27] <DizzyDiz> Something just came up @ home. I have a minor emergency I have to attend to...
[05:27] <DizzyDiz> I'll be back in an hour...
[05:27] <xwolf-> just finishing: try to remove the '.class' and THEN checking the ending.
[05:27] <zaikxtox> hello. someone used xserver-xgl + compiz-kde on kubuntu dapper 6.06b2?
[05:27] <DizzyDiz> Thank you much for your help.
[05:28] <DizzyDiz> Ok I'll try...
[05:28] <xwolf-> np DizzyDiz
[05:33] <zaikxtox> i have managed to make the Xgl server run, but, kde looks just as it is all days with transparency.
[05:37] <CaNsA> how can i set my fan to "always on" at boot on my laptop ?
[05:42] <steveire> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/696306
[05:42] <steveire> That's what adept gives me when I try to open it.
[05:43] <steveire> New dapper installation.
[05:43] <steveire> if I try apt-get install synaptic, will that get synaptic for me?
[05:49] <xwolf-> steveire try opening aptitude
[05:50] <steveire> how?
[05:51] <steveire> ok. I typed aptitude
[05:52] <xwolf-> in a terminal
[05:52] <xwolf-> gonna have lunch, back soon
[05:52] <zaikxtox> steveire, i have tryed adept, and it is a damn broken app.
[05:52] <zaikxtox> try combo "apt-cache search blabla" "apt-get install package", etc
[05:53] <steveire> I've opened aptitude. If I get synaptic from that, will I be able to do stuff easily?
[05:54] <apokryphos> how is adept broken?
[05:55] <zaikxtox> apokryphos, well, at least on amd64, after a dapper 6.06beta2 install
[05:55] <neul> howdy folks... newbie question if u dont mind
[05:55] <zaikxtox> apokryphos, i have backed to apt-get
[05:56] <apokryphos> zaikxtox: works just fine here
[05:56] <zaikxtox> apokryphos, also dapper 6.06 beta2 installer (desktop version) breaks.
[05:56] <apokryphos> if you find bugs in the program, please report them
[05:56] <steveire> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/696306
[05:56] <apokryphos> no use using betas if you can't help the kubuntu devs by using it :P
[05:56] <steveire> There's some threads on the forums I'll read through
[05:58] <neul> i need to burn the badger ISO onto disc... what software do i need 2 do this?
[05:58] <steveire> I don't have any apt-setup though anyway
[05:58] <zaikxtox> apokryphos, i have to read how to include more documentation.
[06:00] <steveire> sudo apt-get install synaptic is the correct command to install synaptic, right?
[06:02] <XVampireX> Any MSN client on linux that is compatible with voice chat/voice clips?
[06:03] <n3storm> amsn, XVampireX
[06:04] <XVampireX> I installed amsn just a few minutes ago and I didn't see voice chat anywhere
[06:04] <apokryphos> steveire: yes
[06:04] <neul> maybe i was not clear... i have downloaded the breezy badger ISO image... i need to burn it to CD... but dont have the software to convert and burn the file
[06:05] <apokryphos> neul: /msg ubotu install
[06:07] <steveire> neul: you're using windows now?
[06:11] <n3storm> XVampireX: are you sure amsn doesn't support voice chat?
[06:11] <XVampireX> Yeah
[06:11] <XVampireX> I couldn't find the feature
[06:11] <n3storm> and what is the webcam support for if there is no sound?
[06:12] <n3storm> maybe I am saying nonsense cause havent't use Microsoft Messenger for too long
[06:12] <XVampireX> so the webcam feature = sound?
[06:12] <xanax`> Guys you should try OpenWengo (voIP)
[06:12] <XVampireX> What about it?
[06:13] <n3storm> xanax`: XVampireX asked for MSN client
[06:13] <XVampireX> Yeah
[06:13] <neul> steveire... yes... i already have hedgehog on dual-boot
[06:14] <neul> steveire i want 2 upgrade
[06:16] <XVampireX> xanax`: regarding openwengo, is there any calling service to test it? I.E: echo test
[06:16] <neul> i guess my question is... if i burn an ISO image of breezy on CD, can I use ISO image as an installation disc
[06:18] <steveire> neul: That's the idea
[06:19] <neul> oh hell... cule... np then... i thought i had 2 convert the ISO 2 another format
[06:20] <steveire> Have you decided how you're going to set it up? Dual boot or not etc?
[06:21] <neul> no... got 2 keep Win XP also... dual boot
[06:21] <steveire> Have you made some partitions?
[06:22] <neul> already dual booting... XP/hedgehog
[06:22] <Tonio_> yop
[06:23] <neul> just wanna upgrade linux to breezy
[06:24] <Solan_> I'm trying to upgrade, but I get an source error[http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/696371] , What's wrong? I'm also trying to install flashplayer, but I can't download it from the macromedia page, is it out on one of the apt sources?
[06:24] <steveire> You wouldn't consider an upgrade to dapper?
[06:25] <Solan_> steveire: is dapper stable? I'm kinda n00b, so is it "safe" enough for me?
[06:25] <neul> i thought breezy was the current stable distro
[06:27] <neul> n'est ce pas?
[06:29] <Solan> flashplayer...? is it on one of the apt sources?
[06:29] <tonia> hi everybody
[06:30] <Solan> hi:)
[06:30] <tonia> does anyone knows what changes do I have to do to get a hi ID in amule?
[06:31] <neul> anyways, ty steveire
[06:33] <piotr_> sa tu polacy?
[06:33] <piotr_> polish?
[06:34] <jpatrick> hmm, a female Tonio_
[06:34] <piotr_> tonio is polish?
[06:34] <Tonio_> jpatrick: where ??? :)
[06:34] <Tonio_> piotr_: french
[06:35] <jpatrick> Tonio_: Toni{o|a}
[06:35] <piotr_> Mhm...
[06:35] <Tonio_> jpatrick: oups, ok I see ;)
[06:36] <Tonio_> jpatrick: already tested gnash ?
[06:36] <Tonio_> it is supposed to be a quite well working gpl flash player
[06:36] <Tonio_> I'd bee interested in testing it
[06:36] <mhterres> tonia: you need to unblock the amule ports in your firewall and your router
[06:37] <_tonia> mhterres: you are the one who always answers, hiw can ido that?
[06:37] <_tonia> mhterres: you also like greek history,please help me
[06:38] <mhterres> it depends of your firewall and your router (modem)
[06:38] <mhterres> depends of model
[06:38] <_tonia> I have wireless
[06:38] <mhterres> ok, but depends of the model of your AP
[06:39] <jpatrick> Tonio_: I was thinking about getting around to doing that
[06:39] <_tonia> well the problem is that I get connection from a wireless which is not mine
[06:40] <Tonio_> jpatrick: could be nice to have a quite working gpl flash player in universe
[06:40] <jpatrick> yeah
[06:40] <Tonio_> we already have gplflash, but gnash is said to be far better
[06:40] <mhterres> _tonia: it is a real problem, because you need to configure the ap
[06:40] <_tonia> so i can't do nothing
[06:40] <jpatrick> Tonio_: is it stable?
[06:40] <_tonia> yes
[06:41] <mhterres> _tonia: yes, sorry
[06:41] <_tonia> this guy has it unsecure
[06:41] <Tonio_> jpatrick: best way is to test no ?
[06:41] <Tonio_> let's go ;)
[06:41] <_tonia> i used limewire and i had no problems but no security to viruses
[06:41] <jpatrick> Tonio_: yeah!
[06:41] <jpatrick> SVN fun time....
[06:42] <_tonia> xiphos??? what is this?
[06:43] <_tonia> any other p2p?
[06:45] <mhterres> _tonia: all p2p programs need to open certain ports
[06:46] <drbreen> how can i disable automounting of usb devices at the time they are plugged in ?
[06:46] <ivanich> 
[06:46] <ivanich> 
[06:46] <jpatrick> !ru
[06:46] <ubotu> Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke. # russian users please try #ubuntu-ru, there you may get more help
[06:47] <ivanich> 
[06:47] <ivanich> thanks
[06:51] <piotr_> Na pewno nie ma tu adnych polakw?! :(
[06:53] <ivanich> blyad
[06:53] <DizzyDiz> I'm back...
 - fuck you
[06:54] <DizzyDiz> ...ivanich - eh?
[06:55] <Riddell> ivanich: care to explain?
[06:55] <ivanich> you are huylo
[06:56] <jpatrick> right....
 are you still available?
[06:56] <xwolf-> yeap
- fucking idiot!
[06:57] <xwolf-> ? O_O
[06:57] <jpatrick> !CoC
[06:57] <ubotu> [coc]  the Ubuntu Code of Conduct, which we ask all Ubuntu users to follow. You can find the Code of Conduct at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/
[06:57] <xwolf-> lol
[06:57] <DizzyDiz> Lol
[06:57] <DizzyDiz> Anyhow I'm trying to pick up where we left off.
[06:58] <DizzyDiz> I can't get that expression you gave me to match anything...
[06:58] <DizzyDiz> It was: server/eb/ [a-zA-Z0-9-] +\/[a-zA-Z0-9] +(?!DXO|PK)
[06:58] <DizzyDiz> Or something like that
[06:58] <ivanich> to <DizzyDiz> - motherfucker
[06:59] <Riddell> jpatrick: kick please
[06:59] <jpatrick> Riddell: doing so
[06:59] <Riddell> thanks
[06:59] <xwolf-> DizzyDiz yeah.
[06:59] <jpatrick> much better
[06:59] <xwolf-> the idea was to forget the '.class' part of the filename.
[06:59] <DizzyDiz> Thanx jpatrick
[07:00] <DizzyDiz> Ok...
[07:00] <DizzyDiz> Let me see...
[07:00] <xwolf-> but DizzyDiz, does the regex impl you are using actually SUPPORT lookaheads?
[07:00] <DizzyDiz> I believe it does...
[07:00] <DizzyDiz> Java regexp...
[07:00] <xwolf-> lemme take a look
[07:01] <DizzyDiz> And I'm testing in kodos which is Pyhton based but should support it as well...
[07:01] <steveire> The repos don't have the latest versions of many apps like firefox. Doesn't it make more sense for me to get them from the web myself?
[07:02] <jpatrick> steveire: on dapper, they're up to date
[07:02] <steveire> But, how regularly are they kept up to date.
[07:02] <xwolf-> looks like it does
[07:02] <steveire> On dapper, it's a little out of date.
[07:02] <xwolf-> (?!X)  	X, via zero-width negative lookahead
[07:03] <steveire> If Brezzy is supposed to be fully supported currently, why is it not uptodate on it?
[07:03] <jpatrick> steveire: already released, thus frozen
[07:04] <jpatrick> steveire: only security updates
[07:04] <DizzyDiz> I'm trying all variations and having no luck...
[07:04] <DizzyDiz> This: server/eb/ [a-zA-Z0-9-] +\/[a-zA-Z0-9] +\.class doesn't match anything
[07:05] <steveire> I'm pretty sure ff was updated from 1.0.7 to 1.0.8 on breezy recently
[07:05] <xwolf-> DizzyDiz assuming you have removed the .class extension of the filename string, i'd probably check for /server/eb/[a-zA-Z0-9] +/[A-Za-z0-9] +(?!DPX)
[07:05] <xwolf-> tried that?
[07:05] <DizzyDiz> Ahh, I see the problem
[07:05] <steveire> Are you saying that from June, new ff releases will not appear on dapper repos for the next 6 years?
[07:06] <DizzyDiz> There was a superfulous space in the expression that threw it off
[07:06] <steveire> I'm pretty sure there's additions to the repos as well, no?
[07:07] <DizzyDiz> This matches all three strings: .*server/eb/[a-zA-Z|0-9-] +\/[a-z|A-Z|0-9] +\.class
[07:07] <jpatrick> steveire: backports
[07:07] <DizzyDiz> This matches all three strings up to the .class: .*server/eb/[a-zA-Z|0-9-] +\/[a-z|A-Z|0-9] +
[07:08] <steveire> How regularly are they updated/who updates them?
[07:08] <xwolf-> DizzyDiz tried the [^D] |D[^P] |DP[^X]  thing i told you?
[07:08] <DizzyDiz> Not yet...
[07:08] <steveire> !backports
[07:08] <ubotu> backports is, like, Add "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-backports main universe multiverse restricted" (without the ") to /etc/apt/sources.list.  More info @ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports
[07:08] <DizzyDiz> One sec..
[07:09] <jpatrick> steveire: no idea, backports team
[07:11] <DizzyDiz> I think I'm a little confused, I'm trying to negate DXO and PK, not DPK...
[07:11] <DizzyDiz> I got this: /server/eb/[a-zA-Z0-9] +/[A-Za-z0-9] +[^D] |D[^X] |DX[^O]  and it matches all three
[07:12] <hetauma> hi I just installe kubuntu 6.06b2 when I try to run adept I get an error message (can not (open or connect to) cache) and it suggests me to either run apt-setup (which does not exist) or apt-get install. Any ideas ?
[07:12] <DizzyDiz> Even this matches all three: /server/eb/[a-zA-Z0-9] +/[A-Za-z0-9] +[^D] |D[^P] |DP[^X] 
[07:14] <DizzyDiz> This hits all three: /server/eb/[a-zA-Z0-9] +/[A-Za-z0-9] +(?!DXO)
[07:16] <DizzyDiz> I'm stucmped...
[07:16] <DizzyDiz> Wait
[07:16] <DizzyDiz> Let me read this regex tutorial I found
[07:19] <xwolf-> DizzyDiz after the last [...] +, try this (([^D] |D[^X] |DX[^O] )|([^P] |P[^K] ))$
[07:19] <xwolf-> it's ugly, but should do it.
[07:19] <DizzyDiz> Trying...
[07:19] <xwolf-> remember that you have to create a 'filename' string WITHOUT the .class extensioon
[07:20] <DizzyDiz> Oh I see
[07:20] <DizzyDiz> In other owrds I can't use the strings with the .class extensions?
[07:21] <DizzyDiz> I dunno if that'll  work for me...
[07:21] <DizzyDiz> I tried what you just said and it matches only the last string: com/icsaward/award/server/eb/glperiod/GlperiodPK
[07:22] <steveire> !ipv6
[07:22] <ubotu> To disable ipv6 read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WebBrowsingSlowIPv6IPv4
[07:23] <DizzyDiz> My whole problem is this... I'm using regexp as file name filters in a temporary custom processor that iterates through folders and grabs certain files.
[07:23] <DizzyDiz> The files will come in with the .class extension, but wait...
[07:23] <DizzyDiz> I just thought of something
[07:24] <DizzyDiz> Maybe that will work... I can change the logic to remove the .class extension before I match the regexp against it...
[07:25] <xwolf-> that's what i said
[07:25] <xwolf-> create a separate string with the path/filename
[07:25] <xwolf-> but without the extension.
[07:26] <xwolf-> then you check, if the regex matches, you use the string with the fullpath
[07:26] <DizzyDiz> Let me go back... I completely misunderstood you
[07:26] <DizzyDiz> Sorry
[07:26] <xwolf-> want me to explain again?
[07:26] <DizzyDiz> I thought you meant create the regexp without worrying about the extension and just try to match the middle part...
[07:26] <DizzyDiz> No wait.
[07:26] <DizzyDiz> I thinkI understand now
[07:27] <xwolf-> ok, good luck now
[07:28] <DizzyDiz> Thanx
[07:34] <DizzyDiz> Dah! I give up! Thank you much xwolf- for all of your help
[07:34] <xwolf-> lol
[07:34] <DizzyDiz> I'm taking a different approach now.
[07:34] <xwolf-> suit yourself.
[07:34] <DizzyDiz> The regex thing is too much
[07:34] <DizzyDiz> I can't get it right
[07:34] <DizzyDiz> Thanks anyhow
[07:35] <DizzyDiz> I really appreciate your time
[07:36] <jpatrick> DizzyDiz: if anyone else insults you, feel free to poke me
[07:36] <DizzyDiz> Thanx jpatrick
[07:38] <ph8> hi all, is there going to be any sort of upgrade for kubuntu users when dapper gets released?
[07:38] <ph8> from what i've heard it's all very gnomeified
[07:38] <jpatrick> ph8: what with Kerry?
[07:39] <DaSkreech> does dapper have a one click dist-upgrade?
[07:39] <jpatrick> yes
[07:39] <steveire> If i want php I should get 5, not 4 right?
[07:40] <jpatrick> steveire: your choice
[07:40] <ph8> Kerry?
[07:40] <ph8> so, there is a dapper upgrade for Kubuntu?
[07:40] <jpatrick> ph8: it deps on half of the gnome-libs
[07:41] <noteventime> steveire, You don't want PHP :D
[07:41] <steveire> Of course I do... Why not?
[07:41] <noteventime> ph8, How do you mean?
[07:42] <noteventime> steveire, It's an ugly language :D
[07:42] <steveire> I agree entirely
[07:43] <steveire> I'm gonna run mediawiki, though which is written in php...
[07:43] <noteventime> ohh, ok :D
[07:43] <noteventime> Then it depends on what media wiki prefers :D Probably some info on the page
[07:44] <steveire> It'll take 5 alright.
[07:44] <steveire> The dapper repos only have mw v1.4, but 1.6.5 is the latest release.
[07:45] <ph8> well, you hear about a dapper upgrade
[07:45] <ph8> and i'm using KDE..
[07:45] <ph8> so, is dapper gnome only?
[07:45] <noteventime> ph8, no
[07:45] <ph8> i can't find any kubuntu upgrade guides
[07:45] <jpatrick> ph8: no
[07:45] <noteventime> ph(, just as ubuntu
[07:46] <DaSkreech> jpatrick: With a notifier?
[07:46] <noteventime> ph8, Change the repos from breezy to dapper
[07:46] <jpatrick> DaSkreech: think so
[07:46] <DaSkreech> jpatrick: Hmm I never heard anything
[07:46] <ph8> ok, is it good with Kubuntu or do you hardly notice? My friends have been raving about new features in Ubuntu
[07:47] <ph8> and is it stable/almost yet?
[07:47] <jpatrick> yes
[07:47] <noteventime> It's very stable
[07:47] <noteventime> and IMO it has been for at least two months :D
[07:48] <DaSkreech> ph8: I'm running the kubuntu dapper now
[07:48] <DaSkreech> It's not KDE4 yet ... :-(
[07:48] <DaSkreech> but I've been pretty impressed once I got past the adept bug
[07:49] <dione> hi all
[07:49] <r0xz> lo there
[07:49] <noteventime> KDELIBS4 compiles now :)
[07:49] <ph8> k, lets go go upgrades then
[07:49] <dione> i have a problem
[07:49] <noteventime> 'ello
[07:49] <apokryphos> unless you're porting, there's no real reason to be on kde4 yet
[07:49] <dione> someone have install gambas?
[07:50] <DaSkreech> ph8: Oh You are doing a dapper && apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade?
[07:51] <noteventime> dione, RAD development environment, right?
[07:52] <ph8> cheers for your help
[07:52] <DaSkreech> You should bypass the adept bug then :)
[07:52] <ph8> yes
[07:52] <dione> y note
[07:52] <DaSkreech> ph8: Come back and let us know how it went :)
[07:52] <ph8> adept? ;)
[07:53] <ph8> 1223 upgraded, 168 newly installed
[07:53] <ph8> good job i'm on JANET
[07:53] <dione> sry for my bad english but i'm ita
[07:53] <DaSkreech> Hmm no #kubuntu-it :-(
[07:54] <r0xz> doine: as long as you try nobody will complain ;)
[07:54] <noteventime> dione, Do you have some problem with it?
[07:54] <dione> cannot find the package
[07:54] <DaSkreech> ph8: Wait you are finished?
[07:55] <noteventime> dione, I can find it :/
[07:55] <noteventime> dione, Do you have universe enabled?
[07:55] <dione> :)
[07:55] <dione> what is?
[07:55] <noteventime> !universe
[07:55] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[07:55] <noteventime> :D
[07:56] <dione> but... what is it?
[07:56] <r0xz> doine: it a section where it belongs to
[07:56] <r0xz> * it's
[07:57] <r0xz> you have to enable it in sources.list
[07:57] <ph8> not yet DaSkreech
[07:57] <ph8> getting 273/1223
[07:58] <DaSkreech> Oh! Can adept handle holding a package?
[07:59] <noteventime> dione, Universe is a part of the package reposetory where "community maintained" packages are kept
[08:00] <ph8> what's adept?
[08:00] <dione> holy madonna -_-
[08:01] <dione> it's different to ubuntu
[08:01] <noteventime> ph8, Adept is a graphical front-end to apt
[08:01] <DaSkreech> Like synaptic except kool ;-)
[08:01] <noteventime> ph8, You might know synaptic which is kinda the same
[08:01] <DaSkreech> well
[08:01] <DaSkreech> exkept?
[08:02] <noteventime> haha
[08:03] <r0xz> anyone tried the smart package manager already?
[08:03] <DaSkreech> Whatzat?
[08:03] <r0xz> i can't get it to start here
[08:03] <r0xz> the new manager for dapper +1
[08:03] <r0xz> for apt-get
[08:04] <piotr_> yes?!
[08:04] <DaSkreech> isn't that a discussion for #ubuntu+2?
[08:04] <piotr_> and his name?
[08:04] <dione> k
[08:04] <apricot> hello!
[08:05] <apricot> is it secure to upgrade from breezy to dapper?
[08:05] <r0xz> ehm, yes it is :o
[08:05] <DaSkreech> apricot: For what purpose?
[08:05] <dione> gambas have a dependence in gambas-gb-sdl but this last have a dependence not istallable
[08:05] <dione> what can i do?
[08:05] <ph8> i use apt :p
[08:05] <DizzyDiz> I use dapper for development and have not had any major problems since yesterday whenI completed my upgrade.
[08:05] <DaSkreech> ph8: More power to you :)
[08:06] <apricot> my konqueror doesn't work properly for example.
[08:06] <DizzyDiz> So, apricot, I'd say it's pretty safe
[08:06] <DizzyDiz> Safe for development
[08:06] <DizzyDiz> What's wrong with your konqueror apricot?
[08:07] <apricot> i cannot save bookmarks
[08:07] <DizzyDiz> I was having issues with konqueror too untilI upgraded...
[08:07] <apricot> hmm
[08:07] <DizzyDiz> Hmm.. can't save bookmarks? That's a new one on me.
[08:08] <apricot> and no icons in front of them
[08:08] <DizzyDiz> I was having random lockups for some stoopid reason
[08:08] <DizzyDiz> It had just started happening the other day too
[08:09] <apricot> would i be able to upgrade to 6.10 after upgrading to 6.04?
[08:09] <DizzyDiz> I tell you, everytimeI start having weirdness in KDE an update normally fixes it.
[08:09] <noteventime> r0xz, I didn't know there was a new package manager, I will try it as soon as my apt-get upgrade is finished
[08:09] <DizzyDiz> Yes you should
[08:10] <apricot> is it safe?
[08:10] <noteventime> kdelibs4-doc?!
[08:10] <apricot> how to backup partition?
[08:11] <noteventime> apricot, keep
[08:12] <apricot> where is that, adept?
[08:12] <dione> np here don't work np
[08:12] <dione> idesk "keep" gambas "keep"
[08:12] <r0xz> noteventime: mark said it in his email to the email-list when beta1 released
[08:13] <noteventime> ok, kool :)
[08:13] <noteventime> apricot, I think it is standard in kubuntu
[08:14] <noteventime> Yay, at last new krita
[08:14] <apricot> i cannot find it
[08:14] <steveire> !mp3
[08:14] <ubotu> it has been said that mp3 is a non-free format. To enable mp3 capability, read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[08:14] <noteventime> apricot, Intall it ;)
[08:14] <dione> someone can teach me what can i do for install gambas?
[08:14] <apricot> i cannot find it in adept
[08:15] <noteventime> wierd, Do you run breezy or dapper?
[08:15] <dione> there is but it cannot resolv a dependence
[08:15] <apricot> breezy
[08:15] <noteventime> dione, Download it from the gambas home page :)
[08:15] <dione> and???
[08:16] <noteventime> dione, What did you download, the .deb or the source?
[08:16] <dione> all both
[08:16] <dione> but deb *** don't run
[08:16] <dione> end ./configure ... dont run -_-
[08:16] <dione> ans*
[08:16] <noteventime> dione, run "sudo dpkg -i GAMBASPACKAGEFILE.deb"
[08:16] <dione> and* -_-
[08:17] <noteventime> or try gdebi
[08:17] <noteventime> graphical deb installer
[08:17] <pedro> Hi everyone
[08:17] <noteventime> I don't really need a graphical package manager, yakuake + apt is very fast :D
[08:17] <noteventime> 'ello
[08:17] <pedro> I am Breezy's user
[08:18] <iNiku> hey, are the kde screen saver hot corners working for anyone?
[08:18] <pedro> is it dangearous to update package "linux-image"?
[08:18] <jpatrick> no
[08:18] <jpatrick> it's a meta-package
[08:18] <pedro> I supose it doesn't install a new kernel
[08:18] <pedro> it only update the installed one
[08:19] <jpatrick> yes
[08:19] <apricot> problem with konqueror solved, i upgraded.
[08:19] <pedro> aj
[08:19] <pedro> aptitude tell me there is 33 packages without upgrade
[08:20] <pedro> I made >sudo aptitude upgrade< and those ones still are there
[08:21] <pedro> why those packages don't update?
[08:21] <pedro> with >sudo aptitude upgrade<?
[08:22] <jpatrick> dist-upgrade ?
[08:24] <pedro> mmm
[08:24] <pedro> you are right
[08:24] <pedro> that comand update all the packages
[08:24] <pedro> sorry for my clumsiness
[08:24] <tdn> What can I do, when the GUI installer on the live cd crashes everytime I reach the step "Manually edit partition tables".
[08:24] <pedro> thank you very much
[08:24] <pedro> see you
[08:27] <apricot> i need keep, can you repeat how to find it?
[08:28] <apricot> can dapper do make and make install?
[08:30] <DaSkreech> yakuake! I thought it was yuukuake!
[08:31] <steveire> |diskmounter
[08:31] <steveire> !diskmounter
[08:31] <ubotu> I heard diskmounter is to automatically mount your ntfs, fat32 or hfs+ drives, download and read http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/diskmounter
[08:31] <DaSkreech> tell apricot about b-e
[08:32] <tdn> Is this the right place to get help on installing Kubuntu dapper drake?
[08:32] <steveire> ubuntu+1
[08:32] <DaSkreech> Yes
[08:33] <DaSkreech> but #ubuntu+1 works a lot faster
[08:33] <tdn> #ubuntu+1 send me in here.
[08:34] <DaSkreech> Really?
[08:34] <DaSkreech> in anycase since we have some time what is the question?
[08:35] <tdn> DaSkreech, I already asked the question but got no response.
[08:35] <tdn> 20:24 < tdn> What can I do, when the GUI installer on the live cd crashes everytime I reach the step "Manually edit partition tables".
[08:35] <DaSkreech> Ah
[08:36] <DaSkreech> did you do a check on the CD to make sure the CD is not corrupt?
[08:36] <DaSkreech> Verify CD integrity I think it's called
[08:36] <tdn> DaSkreech, it is doing the check right now. It has been doing that for a *long* time now.
[08:37] <tdn> DaSkreech, I just burned the CD and I made k3b verify the data after burning and it got verified.
[08:37] <DaSkreech> My check takes very little time
[08:37] <DaSkreech> maybe three minutes
[08:37] <tdn> DaSkreech, how long should it spend on checking ./casper/filesystem.squashfs?
[08:38] <tdn> I guess this check has been taking well over an hour.
[08:38] <tdn> The progress bar is moving now and then though.
[08:38] <DaSkreech> A bit longer than other stuff but still finishes in less than 10 minutes on slow drives
[08:38] <DaSkreech> Wow
[08:38] <DaSkreech> Well
[08:38] <tdn> However, sometimes it is moving both back and forward.
[08:39] <DaSkreech> Umm .. how much back?
[08:39] <tdn> Well... About a few millimeters.
[08:39] <hetauma> while trying to connect to irc.someserver.com and xchat says connceting to 1.0.0.0 means I have some dns problem?
[08:40] <tdn> DaSkreech, sometimes it has colored about 3% of the progress bar and then it goes slowly back to 0% and then forward to ~3% again.
[08:41] <tdn> DaSkreech, it goes like 0%, 1%, 2%, 3%, 2%, 1%, 0%. It does not just jump back to 0%.
[08:41] <tdn> I guess there is 3 or 4 steps back and fourth.
[08:41] <DaSkreech> that sounds strange in my experinc
[08:41] <DaSkreech> did you do a MD5 on the ISO?
[08:42] <tdn> I just tried pressing Alt+1 through 7. Then the screen got black and it says "Uncompressing Linux... Ok, booting the kernel.".
[08:42] <tdn> Now it looks like some bootup process has begun.
[08:42] <tdn> Was that triggered by my Alt+<num>?
[08:43] <DaSkreech> Thats a info screen
[08:43] <tdn> Now X starts!
[08:43] <DaSkreech> You can do that at anytime during the install I think
[08:43] <DaSkreech> hA!
[08:43] <DaSkreech> :)
[08:48] <dione> hi all
[08:48] <dione> <<<
[08:49] <pradeepto> that was short and sweet
[08:49] <pradeepto> nice
[08:53] <nysosym> good evening :)
[08:57] <tdn> DaSkreech, but now what? What does it mean that X starts?
[09:00] <DaSkreech> come to think of it I know someone else that had a problem like that with Ubuntu
[09:00] <tdn> DaSkreech, ok. How did he fix it?
[09:01] <DaSkreech> Umm .. Sold the computer. but he doesn't really have any patience
[09:01] <DarkWizzard> hello all
[09:02] <tdn> DaSkreech, haha.
[09:02] <DarkWizzard> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/696674
[09:02] <DarkWizzard> Direct rendering doesnt work for me
[09:02] <DarkWizzard> and i would need to insert module radeon to kernel
[09:02] <DarkWizzard> and drm
[09:02] <DarkWizzard> how do I do that
[09:03] <DarkWizzard> insmod what ?
[09:03] <DarkWizzard> I keep getting errors
[09:03] <DarkWizzard> pls help
[09:04] <DaSkreech> DarkWizzard: try #xgl-ubuntu :-)
[09:04] <DarkWizzard> hmm
[09:04] <DarkWizzard> good idea
[09:04] <jpatrick> or ubuntu-xgl
[09:06] <Markus_> hi everyone, i am new with kubuntu (linux in general) and after I installed kubuntu the screen froze, is anybody here who can help me?
[09:06] <squilla> what graphics card/chip do you have ? nvidia?
[09:07] <DarkWizzard> pastebin the /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:07] <Markus_> ATI Radeon
[09:07] <Markus_> X600
[09:09] <squilla> hold on - googling for radeon x600 and ubuntu
[09:10] <Markus_> okey i will try
[09:12] <squilla> the drivers are on the cd.
[09:12] <squilla> first though: can you read /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
[09:13] <squilla> Markus?
[09:14] <Markus_> sorry, i was searchng the cd ^^
[09:14] <DarkWizzard> Markus_: try sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[09:14] <DarkWizzard> that should work
[09:15] <Markus_> in the console mode?
[09:15] <DarkWizzard> yes
[09:15] <DarkWizzard> or virtual terminal
[09:15] <DarkWizzard> ctrl alt f1
[09:15] <squilla> hmmmm ..
[09:16] <Markus_> i tried startx before but this wasnt working
[09:16] <squilla> you're online with a different machine?
[09:16] <Markus_> squilla: with the same machine but in Windows XP
[09:17] <DarkWizzard> what did startx say
[09:17] <Markus_> where is this  /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:17] <DarkWizzard> what is the error message?
[09:17] <DarkWizzard> I thing xorg.conf is messed up
[09:17] <DarkWizzard> try sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[09:17] <Markus_> nothing, the graphical mode started and thescreen froze
[09:18] <DarkWizzard> it happens
[09:18] <DarkWizzard> sometimes
[09:18] <DarkWizzard> try what i said
[09:18] <DarkWizzard> that should fix it
[09:18] <Markus_> okey i will tryand come back
[09:18] <DarkWizzard> ok
[09:18] <Markus_> i hope it works ^^
[09:18] <squilla> type "less /etc/X11/xorg.conf" if it doesn't
[09:19] <squilla> - want to see which driver is loaded, probably vesa
[09:20] <squilla> I had this problem with my nvidia chipset and had to boot in recovery mode - does not boot X
[09:20] <DarkWizzard> does anyone have some ideea what is causing this
[09:20] <DarkWizzard> ~$ sudo modprobe drm
[09:20] <DarkWizzard> FATAL: Error inserting drm (/lib/modules/2.6.12-10-386/kernel/drivers/char/drm/drm.ko): Cannot allocate memory
[09:21] <squilla> then "dpkg -i the packages in restricted/l/
[09:22] <apricot> how to make .deb packages?
[09:22] <squilla> DarkWizzard: this is not a real answer but the kernel you're using is way outdated
[09:22] <DarkWizzard> I wait for dapper
[09:23] <squilla> perhaps you could just upgrade the kernel?
[09:23] <DarkWizzard> how ?
[09:23] <squilla> I'm on "Linux lover 2.6.15-21-386 #1 PREEMPT Fri Apr 21 16:43:33 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux"
[09:23] <squilla> with dapper :-)
[09:24] <squilla> well you could update your repository lists to dapper and only choose the linux kernel?
[09:24] <DarkWizzard> I wan't to wait until dapper is stable and make a full system update
[09:25] <squilla> with 2.6.12 I had to use nvidia drivers for ethernet and sound (onboard) but with this kernel I'm using alsa and madwifi :-)
[09:25] <apricot> do you encourage upgrading to dapper?
[09:26] <squilla> you can still dist-upgrade once it's satble even if you've only upgraded the kernel
[09:26] <squilla> I'm loving dapper
[09:27] <aseigo> Riddell: ping?
[09:29] <Yon> hey all
[09:30] <squilla> yo yo yo :-D
[09:30] <Yon> can u listen to .wmv files in amarok?
[09:30] <squilla> *.wmv .. are those not video files?
[09:30] <squilla> you mean *wma?
[09:31] <Yon> lol... i meant wma
[09:31] <Yon> :P
[09:31] <h3sp4wn> Yon: I can
[09:31] <Yon> woops
[09:31] <Yon> so u think its just codec?
[09:31] <h3sp4wn> Yon: breezy or dapper ?
[09:32] <Yon> eish :/ im reli new the linux
[09:32] <Yon> so i dono :/
[09:33] <squilla> eish? you in ZA?
[09:33] <h3sp4wn> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats follow that and it should work
[09:34] <Yon> in south africa yeah
[09:35] <r0xz> Yon: hit cat /etc/issue to see what you have installed
[09:35] <squilla> that "eish" is a dead give away :-)
[09:37] <Yon> squilla, lol! u live here?
[09:37] <squilla> yup
[09:37] <Yon> lol, where abouts?
[09:39] <squilla> what does "cat /etc/issue" say?
[09:39] <squilla> check the private chat for where :-)
[09:39] <Yon> it says 5.10 breezy
[09:41] <squilla> Yon: can you see the private message?
[09:41] <Yon_0> no :/
[09:41] <Yon_0> im registering my nick now
[09:42] <squilla> what chat client you using?
[09:42] <squilla> and why you running as root?
[09:42] <Yon_0> Xchat
[09:43] <squilla> I'm in Muizenberg Cape Town
[09:43] <Yon_0> thats kewl, wana go there soon
[09:44] <Yon_0> im in JHB sandton
[09:44] <Yon_0> wats wrong with connecting as root?
[09:45] <jpatrick> bad thing to do
[09:45] <yanis> unfortanately yakuake doesnt work right without kde :/
[09:46] <squilla> any mistake you make as root could be system wide - like in windows
[09:46] <Yon_0> yeah, few ppl tell me but why?
[09:46] <squilla> run as yourself - saves thousands in psychiatric bills
[09:47] <squilla> well: if you rn as yourself (not root) then mistakes etc all affect your local enviroment and are realtively easy to recover from
[09:47] <squilla> the reverse is true if you run as root
[09:48] <Yon_0> oh... ok
[09:48] <squilla> the classic example: "rm -rf /" as root will theoretically erase your Linux installation - but as use "Yon" that command cannot run
[09:49] <Yon_0> lol, ok... ill swap after my download
[09:49] <Yon_0> i can use synapic not at root
[09:49] <Yon_0> ?
[09:49] <sorush20> guys how do I refresh my kde menu?
[09:50] <squilla> just log in as Yon again: check the switch user option in your menu
[09:50] <XVampireX> Hey, a friend of mine asks if it is possible to install things on live cd? (I don't use live cd so I don't know)
[09:50] <squilla> sorush20: log out and log in again
[09:50] <sorush20> too slow
[09:50] <squilla> XVamp: you mean create your own livecd?
[09:51] <XVampireX> no
[09:51] <Yon_0> brb..
[09:51] <XVampireX> install things while on the live cd
[09:51] <XVampireX> I.E: Download packages
[09:51] <squilla> sorush:what's slow about ctrl+alt+bkspc?
[09:51] <XVampireX> and install them
[09:51] <XVampireX> Yeah, what's slow? :P
[09:52] <squilla> not a proper answer but why not just install properly then?
[09:52] <XVampireX> Cause he wants to test it
[09:53] <squilla> any idea what he wants to download that is not on the disk?
[09:53] <XVampireX> nope
[09:53] <XVampireX> So I guess the answer is that it is not possible
[09:54] <sorush20> squilla: all my programs will be closed down and stufff
[09:54] <squilla> the answer is I don't know :-)
[09:54] <XVampireX> Well, logic kinda says that it is not possible :P
[09:54] <squilla> sorush: ah .... run the new programs from a terminal then
[09:57] <_tom> Hallo
[09:58] <squilla> hi
[09:58] <Yon_0> that site doesnt tell me about wma :/
[09:58] <stefan__> hi
[09:59] <squilla> are the restricted repos active on your machine?
[09:59] <Yon_0> ... how do i find out?
[09:59] <squilla> open adept
[09:59] <Yon_0> was it in ect/issue
[10:00] <squilla> ?
[10:00] <_tom> cat /etc/issue
[10:00] <Markus_> hi
[10:00] <Yon_0> ok, im in
[10:01] <_tom> und ich gleich out - hier geht ja gar nix
[10:01] <squilla> Yon: I can't load it right now - look for Settings --> Repostories .. I think
[10:02] <Markus_> i tried what you said, and i was able to configure something (grphics, mouse, etc.) but the screen freezes even so
[10:02] <Yon_0> manage repostories?
[10:02] <Broomy> does the kubuntu 5.10 install have a grapphicla install
[10:02] <squilla> when you find it make sure all the rpos are selected
[10:03] <squilla> Markus: can you start with out starting X? -- reboot and select recovery mode
[10:03] <Yon_0> yeah, they all on
[10:03] <squilla> Broomy: package selection - yes.
[10:03] <Markus_> yes i can
[10:03] <squilla> search for wma?
[10:03] <Broomy> but is it XP like and easy so my friend who is new to linux can install?
[10:04] <squilla> Broomy: it's easier
[10:05] <Yon_0> squilla, serch for it with all the other packages?
[10:05] <squilla> Yon: yes
[10:06] <stefan__> my cpu-temperature always shows 22 C
[10:06] <Yon_0> squilla, must i get linaudio-wma-perl?
[10:07] <squilla> Markus: on the cd there is a folder called pool/restricted/l
[10:07] <stefan__> "/proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/temperature"
[10:07] <stefan__> does anyone have the same problem / a solution?
[10:08] <squilla> Yon: seems like a good option, but I don't know --. you can always uninstall it. have you searched for w32 or w32codecs?
[10:08] <yaaa> towa e mnoo goliam problem
[10:08] <yaaa> !
[10:08] <ubotu> No idea, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, yaaa
[10:09] <Yon_0> ill try those serches, is perl a audio player?
[10:09] <Markus_> yes...
[10:10] <squilla> Markus: can you get online without starting X?
[10:10] <squilla> perl is a programing language - stands for "pathologically eclectic rubbish lister"
[10:10] <Markus_> no
[10:10] <squilla> ok
[10:11] <squilla> at the command line type aptitude
[10:12] <squilla> the  type / (it means search
[10:12] <squilla> then type fglrx
[10:12] <Yon_0> squilla, oh lol, ok thanks hey
[10:12] <squilla> I suck at this: there are instructions on the screen in aptitude whcih will teach you how to use it
[10:13] <squilla> aptitude is a package installer that needs not graphics/X
[10:13] <squilla> and it's damn fine :-D
[10:13] <squilla> fglrx is the name of the driver for your card
[10:16] <squilla> Markus: the package you want is called w32codecs
[10:17] <Markus_> there isnt such a file
[10:17] <squilla> and if you just type w32? or 32?
[10:17] <squilla> there is in dapper :-/
[10:18] <squilla> Markus:: http://packages.ubuntulinux.org/breezy/ - checkit!
[10:18] <Markus_> :( nothing with 32 in its name
[10:18] <Ubugtu> Error: I tried to send you an empty message.
[10:19] <squilla> Markus:and codec?
[10:19] <Markus_> mom
[10:20] <Markus_> in G:\pool\restricted\l\linux-restricted-modules-2.6.12 there is a file with nvidia in its name, nothing more
[10:22] <squilla> Markus: you searched for codec?
[10:22] <hetauma> is there anything wrong with runing synaptic under KDE ? adept doesn't want to run
[10:22] <squilla> hetauma: nothing wrong - I do it often
[10:22] <Hoobly> what does running the command ./jdk-1_5_0_05-linux-i586.bin do?
[10:23] <squilla> adept may need updating
[10:23] <squilla> Hoobly: thats  the java dev kit
[10:23] <Hoobly> squilla: Ok.  I'm trying to install the runtime environment.  necessary?
[10:24] <hetauma> squilla, I updated adept but it doestn't run still (can't open cache)
[10:24] <Hoobly> squilla: the .bin file was on my "Desktop" and now there is another folder called jre_1_5_06-linux-i586.
[10:24] <HymnToLife> Hoobly> no, you wil need it only if you develop Jva apps (thus the name)
[10:24] <Hoobly> how do I remove?
[10:25] <Yon_0> Hoobly, thats the java runtime  enviroment
[10:25] <Hoobly> Yon_0: yeah.  that's what I thought
[10:25] <Markus_> squilla: on the whole cd there is no  file with "codec"in its name
[10:25] <Yon_0> lol
[10:25] <Hoobly> Yon_0: how do I remove the new folder or installation of this runtime?
[10:26] <Yon_0> where did u download it from?
[10:26] <Yon_0> adept?
[10:26] <Hoobly> java.sun.com
[10:26] <Yon_0> oh... i donno? just delete it where ever u downloaded it to...
[10:26] <squilla> markus: http://packages.ubuntulinux.org/breezy/libs/avifile-win32-plugin
[10:27] <squilla> the java runtime environment is called jre+whatever
[10:27] <Hoobly> does putting in Trash remove it from the system (uninstall)?
[10:28] <squilla> Markus: read the info just under the heading
[10:29] <Markus_> the stuff with "This package provides a plugin for the avifile library..."
[10:29] <Markus_> 
[10:29] <Markus_> ?
[10:30] <squilla> Markus: can you see your private message?
[10:30] <Markus_> yes, but do you see mine?
[10:32] <squilla> nope - go check out apt-get.org dude - and all will be well and all will be well
[10:32] <squilla> it's very slow but very useful - and it's were I got w32codecs from
[10:32] <squilla> sorry - I forgot about it
[10:33] <Markus_> okey, and when i have the codecs, what shall i do with them?
[10:34] <MEtaLpREs> how do i remove an old jre package so i can install the new version?
[10:34] <squilla> Markus: you know how to use dpkg?
[10:35] <Markus_> not really, i am a complete linux noob
[10:35] <squilla> type (as root) "dpkg -i (wherever the package is)"
[10:36] <Markus_> like on CD?
[10:36] <squilla> Marksu: Yesh!
[10:36] <Markus_> wuhu
[10:38] <Markus_> then the codec gets installed and everything will be fine, and i will turn into a self confident good looking linux pro?:)
[10:39] <squilla> Markus: Well .... one out of three 's not bad
[10:39] <squilla> Markus: :p
[10:40] <squilla> Markus: are on apt-get yet?
[10:40] <Markus_> yes
[10:41] <Markus_> i searched for w32
[10:43] <Markus_> and i've found something: ftp://cipherfunk.org/pub/packages/ubuntu/
[10:44] <squilla> Markus: checking ....
[10:46] <Markus_> i think its here
[10:46] <Markus_> ftp://cipherfunk.org/pub/packages/ubuntu/pool/main/w/w32codecs
[10:48] <squilla> Markus:no
[10:48] <DarkWizzard> hello
[10:48] <Markus_> mist
[10:48] <DarkWizzard> I loaded the radeon module to the kernel with modprobe
[10:49] <DarkWizzard> and removed the fglrx module
[10:49] <DarkWizzard> but after reboting
[10:49] <DarkWizzard> the radeon and the drm module dissapears from lsmod
[10:49] <DarkWizzard> and fglrx is back
[10:49] <DarkWizzard> why ?
[10:49] <ToyMan> hi all
[10:50] <DarkWizzard> Markus_: did the xorg reconfigure work ?
[10:50] <ToyMan> is anyone else having problems getting kontact to run in dapper?
[10:50] <Nirvana> DarkWizzard: check your xorg.conf, and modules file
[10:50] <ToyMan> brand new install, and it panics every time I try to start it
[10:50] <DarkWizzard> which one is the modules file
[10:50] <DarkWizzard>  ?
[10:50] <Markus_> i could configure some things, wich were unconfigured but the screen froze again
[10:50] <ToyMan> erminate called after throwing an instance of 'std::bad_alloc'
[10:51] <ToyMan> heh... 'terminate'
[10:51] <ToyMan> korganizer won't run either... hmmm.
[10:51] <Markus_> squilla: wich filetype are we searching for?
[10:52] <DarkWizzard> squilla: do you have experience in adding or removing kernel modules
[10:53] <DarkWizzard> should i edit some file or how do I tell my kernel not to load fglrx
[10:53] <squilla> sorry - need some time out quick
[10:54] <Markus_> squilla: could this e the right stuff: ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/pool/main/w/w32codecs
[10:54] <Cilindrador> i have this huge problem concerning burned DVDs, which i cant read no matter what.  /// Data dvds w/ video files whose filesystem is iso9660+joliet are not accessed at all. /// I've documented the best i can @ http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=963336 and would appreciate any help.
[10:56] <DaSkreech> Can someone confirm something for me?
[10:56] <DarkWizzard> what ?
[10:56] <DaSkreech> try and install ddrescue from universe and see if it throws up
[10:58] <squilla> Markus:that looks good
[11:00] <DaSkreech> _m0ns00n: Hi
[11:01] <Markus_> cool, which file shalli load down?
[11:01] <DaSkreech> DarkWizzard: In adept of course :)
[11:01] <DarkWizzard> sorry
[11:01] <DarkWizzard> another time
[11:04] <ep> I recently installed a soundblaster to resolve mixing issues with onboard AC97 nvida sound. Sound and mixing work, life is good (almost),  still got two problems...
[11:05] <ep> (1) On reboots i get the error: alsactl restore error no state present for card live (2) midi files will not output sound  despite the fact I've tried selecting each choice in System Settings | Hardware | Select midi device.  Any ideas?
[11:06] <crimsun> ep: [1]  is innocuous; ignore it. [2]  Load snd-seq.
[11:07] <ep> crimsun: thanks how do I load snd-seq?
[11:07] <crimsun> ``sudo modprobe snd-seq''
[11:07] <crimsun> there's a midi how-to on the ubuntu wiki
[11:08] <ep> i'll read it
[11:09] <jpatrick> !midi
[11:09] <ubotu> midi is, like, totally, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=8736 or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MidiSoftwareSynthesisHowTo
[11:10] <Markus_> squilla: which of these files do i need?
[11:12] <hetauma> any1 know of some applet that shows current cpu frequency (for laptops) for KDE ?
[11:14] <r0xz> hetauma: there's CPU Info on kde-apps.org  The temperature might not work (didn't here)
[11:14] <hetauma> r0xz, ty :)
[11:23] <Markus_> squilla: I have to go afk, very much thanks for your help and we 'll probably see agian, cu
[11:38] <Zarephath> smbmnt must be installed suid root for direct user mounts (1000,1000)
[11:38] <Zarephath> smbmnt failed: 1
[11:38] <Zarephath> I get this error message using smb4k :
[11:39] <Zarephath> Setting show that it is setup to use sudo vs su...I don't get it?
[11:53] <apricot> what is xubuntu for?
[11:53] <apricot> how can i upgrade to dapper?
[11:54] <DaSkreech> apricot: change your sources.list
[11:54] <apricot> that's all?
[11:55] <DaSkreech> and update etc
[11:55] <DaSkreech> Ohh do a dist-upgrade instead of a normal upgrade
[11:55] <DaSkreech> Question why is there an upgrade?
[11:56] <apricot> how to update etc?
[11:57] <stefan__> do you use breezy?
[11:57] <stefan__> if yes edit your sources.list
[11:58] <stefan__> replace every "breezy" with "dapper"
[11:58] <stefan__> run sudo apt-get update
[11:58] <stefan__> and then sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:58] <apricot> ok
[11:58] <stefan__> never tried this
[11:58] <apricot> why upgrade? :)
[11:58] <stefan__> but it should work...
[11:59] <stefan__> update just updates your repository
[11:59] <apricot> someone tryed to change sources.list?
[11:59] <stefan__> upgrade really updates/replaces the packages
[11:59] <apricot> is it safe?
[12:00] <stefan__> i don't have any experience
[12:00] <stefan__> but you should always backup
[12:00] <DaSkreech> Pretty safe from what I've done
[12:00] <DaSkreech> Yeah always be smart instead of sorry
[12:00] <stefan__> before you do such deep changes