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[n=lure@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman is now known as GmanaFK [08:29] mornin' pitti [08:29] hi pygi === dholbach [n=daniel@i577B0969.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:31] good morning === vurdak [n=vurdak@151.56.43.225] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:34] morning mr holbach [08:35] highvoltage: how do you do? === jinty [n=jinty@244.Red-83-54-78.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:35] dholbach: fine thank you. how are you? [08:36] highvoltage: I'm just getting ready for the bug day - so I'm fine. [08:37] :) [08:42] infinity: around [08:42] kagou: Vaguely. [08:43] oh i need big attention :) [08:43] ? [08:43] :p [08:43] infinity: we have many bugs for samba, concerning sharing/user security [08:43] Yes, I know. [08:44] we have to decide what is the default use for gnome-share. Is there a discussion anywhere on lists ? [08:44] And switching to security=share breaks a whole host of other things, so I'd prefer if people stopped recommending it. [08:44] infinity: hello :) [08:45] infinity: so if security=user we have Bug #24184 [08:45] Malone bug 24184 in samba "Samba and system passwords should be synchronized." [Wishlist,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/24184 [08:45] infinity: I had this problem with a friend of mine, too; either switching to share, or fiddling with smbbpasswd, either way there seems to be no way to get it working just OOTB or with GUI tools, right? [08:45] kagou: As it stands, no massively amazing changes will go in before release anyway, so this is probably better specced out as "something we can improve on for Edgy", with people like G0SUB (hi!) who seem to be interested in better GUI toold for samba. [08:46] yay! [08:46] pitti: Yeah, the user needs a password. [08:46] pitti: (switching to share breaks the world for a lot of other samba use cases, so it's a non-starter, IMO) [08:46] infinity: I have written another spec ... this time for offline-updates [08:46] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OfflineUpdateSpec [08:47] pitti: The easiest route to get the user a password would be to ask them for one when they create a share iff they don't already have a password set, but that means mangling the GNOME dialogs pretty late in the cycle. [08:47] I would like to implement both of them for Edgy [08:47] pitti: The dialog already needs root anyway (since it's fiddling with smb.conf), so tossing in an smbpasswd call isn't rocket science, I suspect. [08:48] JaneW: Good Morning :) [08:48] hi G0SUB [08:48] JaneW: I am the one who mailed you about the Samba config gui idea [08:49] G0SUB: yes I just /whois'ed you :) G0SUB is somewhat easier to say :) [08:49] JaneW: haha [08:49] infinity: did you check the spec? [08:49] G0SUB: The service pack idea sounds rational, but when you start digging in, it gets a bit uglier. When you say "it downloads its dependencies", you realise that you'll end up with half the archive in each "service pack", right? [08:50] (Well, you'll end up with GTK, glib, a bunch of X libraries, glibc...) [08:50] infinity: I agree. I must put in some sort of heuristics into it [08:50] The only way to avoid that is to generate the package list on the target machine, so it knows what it already has installed. [08:51] infinity: one idea might be to show ALL deps and let the user choose which deps to download [08:51] That would be far too unfriendly to work for the target audience. [08:51] Most don't even know (or want to know) what libc6 or libx11 is. [08:51] infinity: the pack creator is not a newbie I assume :) [08:52] infinity: or, we can download only first level deps? [08:53] There's no way to know which are the "right" ones to download, honestly. [08:53] or, we always remember what's there in the 1st CD and never download those? [08:53] Not without running a "service pack diagnostic" on the machine you intend to install to. [08:53] (Which would pretty much just be a "dpkg -l" output, but whatever) [08:54] hmm [08:54] Yes, culling dependencies that are on the install CD isn't a bad idea either. [08:54] whatever the method, we must find out something. my friends who don't have internet are screaming at me [08:54] But that's only part of the problem, since you're talking about doing "update" CDs, etc, which won't have a clue what updates the user may already have. [08:54] infinity: the 1st CD idea is reasonable IMHO [08:55] infinity: may be the script used to create users can be hacked to create smb password too ?! [08:55] (For a while, dapper-security will be under 650MB, so you can just grab it all, but that won't last) [08:55] infinity: it'd be date based [08:55] it can be [08:55] JaneW: I've not had time to give it a thorough check, no, though I'm now discussing his other spec. :) [08:55] say all updates after this date [09:00] infinity: may be we have not the time to hack gnome-user-share to ask for the samba password creation. So we may have to set security=share . Doing that we have to remove the default share of home directory in smb.conf [09:00] infinity: oic. === ifmy [n=ifmy@xtfsa101.fsa.ucl.ac.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:01] kagou: I see no reason why we MUST do one or the other. [09:01] kagou: This misfeature has been there forever. It's not new in dapper. === marilize [n=marilize@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:01] infinity: simply because without choosing, gnome-user-share don't work [09:01] pygi: yes [09:01] kagou: I appreciate that it's annoying, but I don't want to break security= just to "fix" the desktop use case. [09:01] Mithrandir: have you responded to that guy about n-a ? [09:02] pygi: no, sorry. [09:02] pygi: mdz did, though [09:02] Mithrandir: I just saw he applied for SoC, but his presentation was ... huh, how do I put it :-/ [09:02] kagou: I'd be happy (as I've mentioned before), however, to audit a patch to gnome-user-share that does the smbpasswd invocation for the user. [09:03] pygi: are you a mentor? [09:03] It'll such that it may be a new untranslated string (unless I can cleverly pull a string from somewhere else and re-use it), but we may be able to make an argument for letting it in anyway. [09:03] infinity: so we may be can remove gnome-user-share installation by default, and add in README how to work with smb password. Of course i'd be happy too for this patch :) [09:03] s/such/suck/ [09:03] GOSUB: for n-a thingy? nop [09:03] pygi: for SoC [09:03] GOSUB: yup === kozhy [n=Amid@200.66.200.155] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:04] G0SUB: Have you been following this conversation? [09:04] pygi: got an url to it? [09:04] pygi: did you check my application? [09:04] Mithrandir: have you looked it over? [09:04] infinity: yes, I am [09:04] GOSUB: what is ur application? [09:04] pygi: SAMBA GUI [09:04] G0SUB: If you want to prove that you've got the m4d GUI sk1llz required for the SoC stuff you're proposing, maybe you could look at this gnome-user-share issue? :) [09:04] G0SUB: I suspect that for someone with the right background (ie: not me, I don't touch GUIs), it may be a 10-minute hack. [09:05] infinity: heh, I agree [09:05] GOSUB: oki, I'll look into it [09:05] pygi: got an url? [09:05] pygi: thanks a lot [09:05] Mithrandir: I sent you to pm the url [09:05] oh, thank [09:05] G0SUB: A patch would make me a very happy camper (and pretty keep on being your mentor for the actual SoC project)... [09:06] infinity: is there any bug report? I came in just now :) [09:06] infinity: for Bug #27608 can i propose a simple patch to remove default home share in smb.conf [09:06] Malone bug 27608 in samba "Entire home dir is shared within another in samba!" [Normal,Needs info] http://launchpad.net/bugs/27608 [09:06] pygi: uh, aren't the students supposed to write something about themselves and their skill set? [09:06] Mithrandir: indeed [09:07] G0SUB: There is a bug report or 12, but the jist of it is what's been said above. When you create a new share with gnome-user-share, you can't actually ACCESS it, cause no one's ever run "smbpasswd -a " [09:07] infinity: ah! [09:07] infinity: now I got it the whole context === bluetoad [n=ubuntu@b326E.static.pacific.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:08] Mithrandir: make a comment stating all your remarks about that application (a lot of them), and publish it to the student [09:08] kagou: I don't really see that one as a bug, TBH. Not after the followup comments, which seem to lead me to believe that he shared a directory with a sharename matching his username. [09:09] kagou: But maybe you can convince me to comment out the user shares by default in Ubuntu. [09:09] infinity: a patch will come soon [09:09] Mithrandir: considering the complexity of that spec, we can't allow something like this :-/ [09:10] kagou: I'm still weighing the options between "being gratuitously different from most Samba installations" and "desktop user won't confuse themselves" [09:10] GOSUB: seems nice on first sight [09:11] pygi: thanks [09:11] infinity: i must go away now. I will think at this and contact you later. It's a HUG DAY http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/363 so i want to close samba bugs ;) [09:12] infinity: I don't see any gnome-user-share, it's called shares-admin which comes under gnome-system-tools I guess [09:13] infinity: will you be mentoring that samba thingy if it's accepted? [09:13] G0SUB: Err, that thing. Blame kagou for me naming it incorrectly. :) [09:14] infinity: hehe :) [09:14] pygi: If G0SUB's up to the task, and we add some polish to his spec, I'll likely mentor him, yes. [09:14] (that said, samba integration for gnome-user-share might be interesting) [09:14] infinity: nice [09:17] jdub: What *is* gnome-user-share? :) [09:17] jdub: Oh, webdav. [09:17] infinity: "share this folder on the network" clicky in nautilus. [09:17] Mithrandir: not quite [09:17] jdub: oh? [09:17] Mithrandir: No, that's shares-admin [09:18] it runs apache for webdav serving ~/Public with avahi love [09:19] Mithrandir: will you have enough time to comment? === Harti [n=Harti@unaffiliated/harti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:20] (i think ~/Public style serving is a better model than the windows-style 'randomly choose stuff to serve' model) === carlos [n=carlos@49.Red-88-9-27.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:22] pygi: I've already done it. [09:22] pygi: basically saying "please provide more information or I can't evaluate your application" [09:24] infinity: gnome-system-tools is in C ... I need more time to look at it [09:24] when is edgy's feature freeze likely to be? around the time SoC work ends? [09:24] ajmitch: lol [09:25] ajmitch: two days after UiP. ;-P [09:25] G0SUB: generally any SoC project for ubuntu will have to be ready by feature freeze to make it in [09:26] ajmitch: I agree. SoC will end on 23 August btw. === mvo [n=egon@i577B0969.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:31] Mithrandir: oki, nice === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raphink-pbook [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sfllaw [i=sfllaw@206-248-135-100.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@trider-g7.fabbione.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Topic for #ubuntu-devel: Ubuntu Development (not support, even with dapper) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | If your initramfs is broken in any way, please save a copy for infinity | LP upgraded, report issues on #launchpad | Beta 2 released | please test Xubuntu daily-live beta2 candidate === Topic (#ubuntu-devel): set by Kamion at Fri Apr 28 01:48:34 2006 === Huahua [n=hua_@222.50.182.106] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _TomB [n=ownthebo@ACD8A0DC.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === highvoltage [n=Jono@ubuntu/member/highvoltage] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === sfllaw [i=sfllaw@debian/developer/coleSLAW] has joined #ubuntu-devel === holycow [n=bite@S0106000fb51e6051.vf.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:05] hey guys [12:06] hey, i want to deploy ubuntu for a few regular users, and would like to set it up so that if they screw up their box, they can powercycle, and from startup select a backup image to restore the to / partition [12:07] how would one go about setting this up? [12:08] holycow: if you can't trust them with administrator-rights, why give it to them? [12:08] HiddenWolf, ultimately that is the answer, HOWEVER, i'm thinking useablity here [12:09] there are certain functions non codemonkeys could use to make their computing environment nicer ... restore to base install is one [12:09] snapshot +1 would be another [12:11] you could use LVM snapshots [12:11] some assembly required, though [12:11] HiddenWolf: windows machines from vendors come with such a easy-restore option [12:11] HiddenWolf: it can be nice [12:12] *hmmm* thats not a bad idea, my initial thought was partimage [12:12] lifeless: I know. [12:12] it was discussed at UDU in relation to the OEM installer, but never really made it as far as a design [12:12] Kamion: there is a suggestion for doing app like that in SoC [12:12] is lvm the right idea tho? i've read many an issue with dealing with lvm restores [12:12] oh, well, it sort of did [12:13] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDownUnder/BOFs/OEMRescue [12:13] my intuitition would say something like using partimage, and doing a diff restore/backup [12:13] but I think it would be necessary to rethink it anyway [12:13] Kamion: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GoogleSoC2006#head-6f1deddcffc4e286e0bbd987f3a424b4b3a82479 [12:13] holycow: nothing wrong with using partimage, it just takes more disk space [12:13] okay so i guess the idea has been brought up but not worked ona whole lot ... === leo [n=Visa-Tea@office.antwerp.kangaroot.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:14] pygi: bit vague though [12:15] hi , I'am modifying a live cd - i changed my gdm.conf but i looks like a script is overwriting my gdm.conf with a default when the live session is prepared? Someone an idea which script is responsible for this? [12:16] btw kamion, some of those ideas on that page are great [12:16] holycow: and some are hilarious [12:17] :) [12:17] the oem rescue thing is a good idea [12:17] holycow: there is a suggestion to make xgl work on S3 graphics solutions and such. ;) [12:17] that i guess would be a step of last resort, would be also nice to setup something like allowing users to snapshot environment at will as per wiki suggestions [12:18] HiddenWolf, ehehe :) [12:18] classic [12:19] Things like parental control however, seem like great things. [12:19] specially considering edubuntu [12:19] ah yes i would agree, that would be excellent [12:19] my only question is what does parental control mean [12:20] holycow: preventing kids from doing kid-unfriendly-stuff on their pc's [12:20] its a hard thing to define, i would guess the most meaningfull aspect of pare ntal control would be total logging, including mouse movements and system use playback [12:20] well, by looking at current applications for that, it seems people think parental control is only web filtering [12:20] holycow, a (probably transparent) filtering proxy for web content [12:20] pygi, thats the main purpose [12:21] call it heresy, i think that probably should be a paid for subscription service [12:21] ogra: true, but not only one [12:21] you can indeed extend that by something like logging out the kid on schedule (after 1h for example) etc [12:21] i would really say as well that it requires complete logging of environment use [12:21] including ability of playback of kids useof system [12:22] i have parents at the company ask me for that many many times [12:22] pygi: false [12:22] ogra: the suggestion is talking about Dansguardian + Squid, and considering we'll be using willow :-/ [12:22] pygi: http://spectresoft.com/ [12:22] pygi: commercial products cover alot more than web [12:22] tseng: and what have I said ? :P [12:22] that it's not the only purpose =P [12:23] tseng, ah neat, thats cool, good bookmark. [12:23] you claimed most products dont do anything else, or so [12:23] tseng: I claimed SoC applications mostly claim that [12:23] oh. [12:23] pygi, dansguardian is crap (as squidguard is) and indeed parental control is more than proxying, but a contentfilter is an essential bit [12:24] ogra: agreed...so please take your time to comment on that application, or should I? [12:24] pygi, which application ? [12:24] ogra: Parental control, SoC [12:24] want a url? [12:24] Kamion: I normally don't beg for these kind of things, but could you please NEW freealut? I already uploaded a couple of package build depending on freealut-dev, and I'd like to get the transition over quickly [12:25] pygi, i dont see it on the official SoC wikipage [12:25] getting pretty late in the day for transitions, isn't it? :) [12:25] ogra: the mentors part [12:26] ogra: want a link? [12:26] siretart: source accepted [12:27] Kamion: thanks! === womble [n=mpalmer@eth359.nsw.adsl.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lure_ [n=lure@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:28] ogra: or have you found it? === Harti [n=Harti@unaffiliated/harti] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bluetoad [n=ubuntu@b326E.static.pacific.net.au] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === kagou [n=kagou@84.4.197.129] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sfllaw [i=sfllaw@debian/developer/coleSLAW] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:47] pygi, commented it === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:48] ogra: thanks, I'll look into it now [12:48] i'll also update the willow description a bit now [12:48] (if Amaranth doesnt mind :) ) [12:49] ogra: have you commented on mentors page? cause I can't see the comment :P [12:49] pygi, nope, in the SoC page [12:49] ogra: bah, you need to comment on mentors page =P [12:49] why ? [12:49] and make it public so student can see it [12:49] well, so student can improve application? === flurble [n=flurble@flurble.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:51] Kamion: riddell says, his internet is broken this morning and hell be on as soon as its fixed [12:52] flurble: thanks [12:53] flurble: passed on to the Canonical talk mailing list [12:54] ok === nags [n=nags@125.16.129.16] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:59] when I try to build this source http://mutt.in/~nagappan/ldtp-tmp-source.tar.bz2 in SuSE / FC4 its working fine, But unable to build it in Ubuntu. I feel I miss something in configure.in, how could I fix it ? [12:59] some assistance will be of great help :) [12:59] that depends on what the failure is [01:00] Kamion: okay... [01:00] Kamion: G0SUB tried it building... [01:01] perhaps you could put the output in a pastebin [01:01] G0SUB: can you please ? and give the link to Kamion ? [01:01] i test built it during breezy time ... shouldnt be impossible [01:02] don't give the link to me personally, give it to the channel [01:02] Kamion: right :) [01:02] nags: in a sec [01:02] G0SUB: okay [01:02] ogra: you tried building ldtp source ? [01:03] nags: this is the special tmp code btw. not ldtp proper [01:03] G0SUB: right [01:03] nags: and with all symlinks removed [01:03] http://pastebin.com/695874 [01:03] G0SUB: soon this will be checked in [01:03] G0SUB: right [01:03] nags, yes, shortly after the stuttgard guadec [01:04] ogra: oh okay :) [01:04] quite some time ago :) [01:04] ogra: lot of changes recently ;) [01:04] ogra: okay [01:04] Kamion: looks like the source files are not properly taken for compiling ? [01:06] Diziet: yay new gs-esp; how many bugs does that close? :) [01:06] yum, a source tarball that requires you to run autoreconf [01:06] ok it looks like the libtool package is required [01:06] how many opens? :) [01:07] soumyadip: do I need to mention the libtool some where ? [01:07] Diziet: ah, just saw your bug mail [01:08] nags: yes when you build the package, libtool should be in build-dependencies in the debian/control file [01:09] soumyadip: oh okay === nomed [n=nomed@host173-58.pool8250.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:09] soumyadip: is it required even if we do ./autogen.sh ? [01:09] yes [01:09] soumyadip: hmmm [01:09] because autogen.sh calls libtoolize, which is in the libtool package [01:09] especially if you do ./autogen.sh [01:10] kagou / soumyadip: okay [01:10] the issue comes on doing make [01:10] after this change things are not working http://webcvs.freedesktop.org/ldtp/ldtp/configure.in?r1=1.4&r2=1.5 [01:11] that's extremely unlikely to matter [01:11] it's just a version number bump [01:11] eh ? why does gcc complain of no input files when I run make after autogen.sh ? [01:12] infinity: care to disable the daily livefs builds? === bluetoad [n=ubuntu@b326E.static.pacific.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:12] investigate the Makefile and trace back the missing bits through Makefile.in and Makefile.am if necessary [01:12] Kamion: sorry one more... [01:12] Kamion: I have modified this line [01:12] Kamion: enable_localization=yes [01:12] Kamion: to enable_localization=no [01:13] nags: I'm totally unfamiliar with this package; I'm trying to help *you* investigate rather than investigating myself [01:13] ogra: cool, be nice to know what i'm getting myself into :) [01:13] Kamion: okay :) [01:13] there should be a something_OBJECTS that gets substituted into the gcc link line [01:13] Riddell: when you get around, please do start testing current install images for flight-7. [01:14] ogra: please test current install images for flight-7 [01:14] Mithrandir, this week ??? [01:14] ogra: yes. [01:14] when are we supposed to work on stuff ? [01:14] Kamion: http://pastebin.com/695882 [01:14] i cant always loose 2 days of a week for iso tests [01:14] ogra: before FF. :-) [01:15] ogra: well, previous release was special because of the crazy beta bug. [01:15] so we'll keep the 2 week schedule ? [01:15] you shouldn't be spending two days on Flight testing [01:15] (apart from the beta2 exception) [01:15] ogra: depends [01:15] ogra: two or three; depending. [01:16] Kamion, if i discove a bug i need to change it takes me half the day to wait for LP [01:16] we need to get good installer testing, and that has been hampered by bugs that affected lots of people [01:16] ogra: if you don't want flight-7 for edubuntu, that's fine with me, though. [01:16] ogra: I have three weeks to get a working installer; I can't do that without occasional releases [01:16] ogra: do something else while you're waiting, then [01:16] Kamion, fully understood, but iso testing means i need to postpone my artwork changes again etc === ..[topic/#ubuntu-devel:Mithrandir] : Ubuntu Development (not support, even with dapper) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | If your initramfs is broken in any way, please save a copy for infinity | LP upgraded, report issues on #launchpad | Flight-7 preparations in progress, uploads must be approved by Mithrandir [01:17] Kamion, all i need to do would affect the isos, thats my prob (artwork docs etc) [01:17] you shouldn't be losing days of work due to this. you might have to queue uploads for a while, but that's not losing days of work. [01:17] you can upload them all in a batch the next day [01:18] i need to test the changes, probably need to build a test iso etc thats all blocked then ... but well, i'lll start my rsyncs [01:18] Kamion: am... rebuild of package with unmet deps is automatic or needs manual push? (now, when all deps are ok) [01:18] Mithrandir: I have two things in progress; one is a ubiquity upload to fix a few bugs and save /var/log/partman to the installed system for better debugging; the other is a partman-* change for bug 21655 [01:18] Malone bug 21655 in partman-basicfilesystems "Installer doesn't change disk labels as appropriate" [Wishlist,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/21655 [01:19] ivoks: depends on the circumstances, ask infinity [01:19] ok, tnx [01:19] bye all [01:19] Kamion: sure, I'll wait for those. [01:19] Kamion: (hence my "test install cds" not "test cds") [01:19] I should tell janimo too. === ..[topic/#ubuntu-devel:Mithrandir] : Ubuntu Development (not support, even with dapper) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | If your initramfs is broken in any way, please save a copy for infinity | LP upgraded, report issues on #launchpad | Flight-7 preparations in progress, uploads to main must be approved by Mithrandir [01:20] the partman change would affect install CDs too [01:20] oh, true. [01:20] (topicdiff: add "to main"; I don't want to review uploads to universe. :-) [01:21] so what made my install CDs explode ? [01:21] *sigh* [01:21] *sigh* [01:22] who handles accepting/rejecting SoC applications? [01:22] I'd have liked to get in a fix for the problem that ubiquity doesn't handle partman exceptions, but I doubt I have time [01:22] Amaranth, JaneW [01:22] Amaranth, i updated the featurelist for willow on the wiki, would you mind making a LP spec out of it ? [01:23] i'll see what i can do [01:23] it'd be nice to know if it's going to be accepted/rejected though so i can know if i should look at other projects [01:24] Amaranth, the more work you put into it now, the more likely it will be *your* project ;) [01:24] heh [01:24] (according to JaneW writing the spec is a major step here) [01:25] ok === herzi [n=herzi@c197092.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j^ [n=j@e178000140.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === spacey_ [n=herman@83.137.151.2] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:38] Kamion: when doing autogen.sh, I get this error message [01:38] src/Makefile.am:16: ldtp_SOURCES defined both conditionally and unconditionally [01:38] src/Makefile.am:76: ldtp_LDADD defined both conditionally and unconditionally [01:38] what this means ? [01:38] I suggest you talk to upstream [01:38] Kamion: okay [01:39] you could also look at info automake and search for "conditional" if you are upstream :-) [01:39] mvo: you wanted me to remind you of https://launchpad.net/bugs/36127 [01:39] Malone bug 36127 in grub "ESC menu doesn't work" [Normal,Needs info] [01:40] herzi: right, thanks [01:40] Kamion: okay :) === freeflying [n=freeflyi@222.33.71.21] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gloubiboulga is now known as Gloubi|AFK [01:44] mvo: ping [01:44] G0SUB: pong === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:45] Mithrandir: Doing so. [01:45] mvo: can I PM? [01:45] Mithrandir: it's also worth noting that we're half-way through a kernel ABI change at the moment [01:45] G0SUB: sure [01:45] fabbione: alright, current dapper doesn't crash any more with the test [01:46] the last kernel upload didn't build on sparc, and l-r-m/linux-meta/debian-installer haven't been uploaded to match yet [01:46] Kamion: argh. :-/ Any idea when that'll be fixed? [01:46] Mithrandir: no ... [01:46] BenC: around? [01:47] Kamion: yeah [01:47] BenC: did you notice the kernel FTBFS on sparc? [01:47] I pinged him about it, but I think he was asleep. :) [01:47] yeah, fixing it for next upload [01:47] ok, thanks [01:48] Kamion: Can you just go ahead without the ABI bump, or does the mismatched source offend you terribly? :) [01:48] Mithrandir might want to know roughly when to expect it :) [01:48] BenC: what's the ETA of that upload? [01:48] later today [01:48] infinity: hmm, it rather annoys me for Flight releases - gets messy [01:48] BenC: 'k, thanks. === sabdfl [n=mark@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [01:48] although it's probably technically possible to go ahead without, if the seeds haven't been changed yet [01:48] BenC: As in, the end of your workday. Ish? [01:49] nah, probably more like my lunch time ish [01:49] hi BenC === RobinhoPeixoto [n=ubuntu@201.19.253.10] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:49] hey pitti [01:49] pitti: I have that upload ready too === infinity was planning on some LRM bugfixes with the ABI upload, but that won't happen before I have a chance to sleep and clear my head. [01:49] \o/ [01:49] So, if you need to just do the ABI bump in my absense, go nuts, I guess. === dborg [n=daniel@e182054151.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:50] infinity: we can just postpone until tomorrow. [01:50] infinity: ok, I will probably just do an abi bump upload with this upload, so I can get linux-meta done, and people can start testing this last upload [01:50] I want some feedback on ipw3945 [01:50] hmm. if I've got a bit of clearance, I'll start looking at the ubiquity/partman work again; would be nice to have all the top diagnosed crashers fixed [01:51] Mithrandir: I'm cool with that too, since I plan to do some mad initramfs-tools bugfixing during *my* tomorrow, which would means they'd get in for flight-7 your tomorrow. :) [01:51] brb, gotta walk to the bus stop [01:51] infinity: ok, let's build the images and stuff tomorrow then. [01:51]