[12:02] <dholbach> congratulations Lure!
[12:02] <ogra> welcome Lure :)
[12:02] <Seveas> nice, welcome aboard!
[12:03] <Surak> Congrats, Lure
[12:03] <Tonio_> welcome aboard Lure :)
[12:03] <Seveas> Ju, you're up
[12:03] <Ju> Hi !
[12:03] <Ju> I'm Julien Rottenberg, I live in Los Angeles, and I'm currently seeking a job as a Network Administrator. I have been using Ubuntu since Warty and I'm the third ubuntu-fr administrator.
[12:03] <Ju> I did some advocacy at the "Linux Expo" in Paris, at the "Fete de l'Huma", some wiki pages on the ubuntu-fr doc, and posts moderation on the french forum.
[12:03] <Ju> My profile on Launchpad is https://launchpad.net/people/ju  -  Wiki : http://wiki.ubuntu.com/JulienRottenberg
[12:03] <Seveas> Any ubuntu-fr members around to cheerlead?
[12:03] <Yann2> Ju's doing a huge work in the Ubuntu-fr team, I think he's one of our activest members.
[12:04] <Ju> thanx Yann2 ;-)
[12:04] <Seveas> Yann2, good to hear
[12:04] <Toadstool> Ju is a great member of the French Ubuntu team.
[12:04] <Yann2> what to say more? his wiki page is quite long :)
[12:05] <lucas> I'm not involved at all in ubuntu-fr, but looking from the outside, it seems Ju is doing a great work
[12:05] <Gloubiboulga> I agree with Yann2 and Toadstool, Ju does a really great work in ubuntu-fr
[12:06] <Seveas> Yann2, true, but testimonials from others are at least as important as a clear wikipage
[12:07] <mako> is there anyone else here from ubuntu-fr
[12:07] <eric_p> ju does a great job on ubuntu-fr
[12:07] <eric_p> and he helped me setting up kubuntu-fr
[12:08] <eric_p> almost all wiki pages have been updated once by ju
[12:08] <skateinmars> I'm not too much involved in ubuntu-fr (just an irc op), but I can tell Ju is really doing a great job for the ubuntu-fr community
[12:09] <elmo> looks fine to me based on wiki page
[12:10] <Seveas> same here
[12:11] <mako> yes
[12:11] <mako> i think it's fine
[12:11] <Kamion> no problem here, seems to be helping to run the ubuntu-fr locoteam so seems like a no-brainer
[12:12] <Seveas> Welcome aboard ju!
[12:12] <Bluekuja> Congrats Ju
[12:12] <Ju> Great ! It's honor for me to be a Ubuntu member \o/ 
[12:12] <Surak> Congrats tu!
[12:12] <gnomefreak> congrats ju
[12:12] <mdke> nice work Ju 
[12:12] <Surak> s/tu/Ju
[12:12] <Yann2> welcome Ju :)
[12:12] <Ju> thx !
[12:12] <Seveas> Perfect score so far, everyone's accepted
[12:12] <Gloubiboulga> congrats Ju :)
[12:12] <Seveas> sfllaw, you're up next
[12:12] <sfllaw> Congrats!
[12:12] <ogra> next one is a no brainer too i guess :)
[12:12] <Toadstool> congrats Ju :)
[12:12] <Seveas> ogra, well...
[12:12] <sfllaw> ogra: Hey!  I resemble that comment.
[12:12] <ogra> heh
[12:12] <sfllaw> I'm Simon Law, from Montral, Canada.  I'm a new Canonical employee who's primary function is to improve QA in Ubuntu.  But I'm also a Debian developer and a free software developer.  
[12:12] <sfllaw> Recently, I've been trying to build support for triaging bugs, which is something we're losing on.  I've written new articles under HelpingWithBugs, organised support on IRC, drummed up enthusiasm for HugDay, and have started triaging bugs myself.
[12:12] <sfllaw> My future plans include building up community efforts in QA, especially with the BugSquad team.  I have a couple tools I want to write that will help debug and reproduce problems.  As well, I have some expertise in building automated test harnesses for Linux distributions, which should come in handy.
[12:13] <sfllaw> s/who's/whose/
[12:13] <sfllaw> Bah.
[12:13] <Kamion> p.s. quality controller is the best job title ever
[12:13] <elmo> haha
[12:13] <Kamion> very thomas the tank engine
[12:13] <mdke> lol
[12:13] <Seveas> Big \o/ from me based on debian work and QA efforts and plans, -0 based on the fact that he's been active for not a too long period
[12:13] <ogra> sfllaw, did an awesome job in the short time he's involved yet 
[12:13] <mako> right, not too long a period in ubuntu but i am familiar with sfllaw's work in debian
[12:13] <elmo> I think the fact that he has a contract takes care of ensuring the "sustained" part of the requirements
[12:14] <ogra> s/awesome/unbelivable, incredibel awesome/s
[12:14] <Kamion> Seveas: -0 noted, although on the flip-side we can expect employees to ... oh, what elmo aid
[12:14] <Kamion> said
[12:14] <sfllaw> mako only says this because I bought him a drink at Debconf 2.
[12:14] <mako> elmo: welll, there's also visible world elsewhere in the free software community
[12:14] <elmo> mako: right, that too
[12:14] <mako> sfllaw: you bought me a drink at debconf?
[12:14] <elmo> so anyway, +1 from me
[12:14] <Kamion> oh wow you worked for maple, I used to use that at school
[12:14] <ajmitch> and he's been active in debian for years now
[12:14] <mako> sfllaw: i must have forget. you should do it again :)
[12:14] <ogra> elmo, but i think what he did until now also counts a lot, dholbach can tell even more i think
[12:14] <sfllaw> mkOf course.
[12:14] <sfllaw> mako: Of course.
[12:15] <dholbach> I'm very happy to work together with sfllaw on the Bug Front and knew him beforehand already. He's quick to understand, to plan and to envision and I think he'll help us to gain back ground :-)
[12:15] <Seveas> If he doesn't, he'll have to buy eberyone drinks at Ubuntu French Kiss :) 
[12:16] <ajmitch> Seveas: he'll do that anyway, won't he? :)
[12:16] <Seveas> true 
[12:16] <ogra> oh, is that the official name ? 
[12:16] <dholbach> He triaged quite a bunch of bugs already and quickly got an overview over people and teams - apart from that he's very helpful in #ubuntu-bugs to new people.
[12:16] <sfllaw> Seveas: And this will help us how?
[12:16] <ompaul> ajmitch, no hes just buying for mako
[12:16] <ogra> sfllaw, hey, this is the *community* council 
[12:16] <sfllaw> Getting you all drunk?
[12:16] <sfllaw> I suppose.
[12:16] <ogra> its a major social thing to buy everyone in the distro team a drink at confs ;)
[12:17] <Kamion> anyway, +1, know him from Debian and he's got off to a flying start
[12:17] <mako> yes, sounds great
[12:17] <mdke> welcome aboard sfllaw 
[12:17] <Seveas> Awesome! Welcome aboard bughunter!
[12:17] <Bluekuja> congrats sfllaw
[12:17] <dholbach> ROCK ON!
[12:17] <sfllaw> Thanks.
[12:17] <ogra> YAY
[12:17] <Seveas> GROUPHUG!
[12:17] <ogra> yay
[12:17] <Seveas> Surak, you're next
[12:17] <ajmitch> he's picked up on the hugging quickly as well..
[12:17] <Surak> I am Alexandre Otto Strube, from Brazil. the wikipage is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlexandreOttoStrube and launchpad is https://launchpad.net/people/surak
[12:17] <Surak> right now, the plan is bug triage and hardware support. I'm intended to leave developers do their job, and help users with their bugs (several people just want to help, but don't know exactly how).
[12:17] <Surak> I'm doing a lot of work by helping out users in irc, specially on #ubuntu-br .
[12:17] <Surak> Actually working on a Ubuntu-based distribution for a brazilian computer manufacturer. We try to keep as close as ubuntu as possible, and give the most that we can back to ubuntu, in form of testing, bug reporting and translation to pt_BR.
[12:18] <Surak> I've written a tutorial on how developers can change source code in Ubuntu/Debian, which lead to a video driver for breezy amd64 - a functional Via Unichrome (breezy-amd64 used vesa): http://www.surak.eti.br/linux/ubuntu/deb/xserver-xorg-driver-via-preview-amd64-6.8.2.deb
[12:18] <Surak> for the future, as ubuntu gets more and more simple (to me, through learning), the plan is to help by adopting universe packages, and providing quality work on them.
[12:18] <Surak> I would like to introduce someone which can talk a little bit more of me: Claudio Filho (filhocf), the Openoffice Brazil team leader, our upstream in openoffice translation :-) He started the MozBr and PgSQLBr projects also, and is an active collaborator on Debian/Debian-Br-CDD. Altough not a ubuntu member, someone I respect when the matter is open source. I did a lot of work with him before ubuntu, specially.
[12:18] <Surak> Meyer and Licio can talk a little about my work also. KurtKraut is the #ubuntu-br ircop, and can talk also.
[12:18] <filhocf> Hi.. 
[12:18] <dholbach> Surak triaged some hundred desktop-bugs already, and I'm very grateful for what he did.
[12:19] <licio> Surak is a hard colaborator of the bugTriage, translates and help in irc channel #ubuntu-br
[12:19] <KurtKraut> Surak, you've forgot to mention that you're a colunist at http://planeta.ubuntubrasil.org
[12:19] <dholbach> He has a good overview over what goes on upstream, knows which questions to ask, etc - he's very motivated.
[12:19] <Surak> indeed!
[12:19] <filhocf> about Surak, i know him some years, and your efforts to help in localization of OOo and Moz here is incredible
[12:20] <Kamion> Surak and co. had a go at UbuntuExpress back in the breezy timeframe; we didn't end up using that code, but they made a decent effort
[12:20] <filhocf> Surak helps in a help system called Rau-tu(how-to in brazilian speak) and is a big collaborator there
[12:20] <ogra> and he's around pretty long already
[12:20] <Kamion> he's been helping out a bit with ubiquity triage work more recently
[12:21] <filhocf> in localization part, i think that is a big help to Ubuntu.
[12:23] <elmo> looks fine to be based on wiki page + kamion's comments
[12:24] <mako> wellwell, i appreciate that you're trying to work closely with ubuntu while working on your own derivative
[12:24] <mako> i'd love if you document the things that have and haven't worked well as part of that process
[12:24] <mako> but i'm happy with membership
[12:24] <Surak> today, more work of mine is done in bug triage than in my own job, for desperation of my boss :-)
[12:24] <Seveas> Surak, hehe 
[12:25] <Seveas> 2 down, Kamion what's the verdict?
[12:25] <Surak> but as we are porting our own derivative to dapper, its equally important that dapper is in shape
[12:25] <zul> @schedule Ottawa
[12:26] <zul> @schedule Montreal
[12:26] <Ubugtu> Schedule for America/Montreal: Current meeting: Community Council | 03 May 08:00: Edubuntu | 03 May 09:30: Xubuntu | 03 May 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 09 May 16:00: Technical Board | 10 May 08:00: Edubuntu
[12:26] <Kamion> I'm fine with Surak for membership, per the above
[12:26] <ogra> zul, please, we're in a meeting :)
[12:26] <Seveas> Ok, 3 down! Congratz Surak !
[12:26] <Bluekuja> congrats surak
[12:26] <zul> sorry..
[12:26] <Seveas> btw: Who has launchpad duty today?
[12:26] <ogra> conagrats Surak 
[12:26] <Surak> thanks
[12:27] <licio> congrats Surak , welcome 
[12:27] <camilotelles> congrats Surak!
[12:27] <Surak> i'm shaking :-)
[12:27] <Meyer> congrats, Surak 
[12:27] <KurtKraut> Surak, well done boy ;D
[12:27] <mdke> well done Surak 
[12:27] <filhocf> congrats Surak, and congrats to Team too.
[12:27] <mako> gary coady?
[12:27] <Seveas> iegary, you're up
[12:27] <Kamion> I'd forgotten about launchpad duty - I'll do it
[12:27] <iegary> Hi, I'm Gary Coady, I've been administering Debian systems since '97, so have a good bit of experience with Debian-ish systems. Updated a third party package (aiccu) with debconf support and general Ubuntu integration. Have been working doing C programming for the last few years. A year of tech support (receiving, fixing core dumps etc.) as well.
[12:27] <iegary> I've been helping out with bug triage and fixing in Launchpad since March (you can find me in #ubuntu-bugs and #ubuntu-desktop), and have provided a good number of patches. I think I've helped somewhat in improving the quality of Dapper when it releases, and look forward to helping further with Ubuntu in the future. My wiki page at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GaryCoady provides a few more details.
[12:27] <Seveas> Kamion, cool
[12:27] <mako> Kamion: you on it?
[12:28] <Kamion> mako: yes
[12:28] <dholbach> I'm *VERY* pleased that iegary stepped up to write patches that upstream looked for for quite some time. He says that he just picks up the "easy things" - but don't believe him.
[12:28] <seb128> iegary is sending a lot of amazing GNOME patches to fix all sort of bugs to the desktop
[12:29] <dholbach> He fixed quite a bunch of annoying things in the desktop world - he's a real asset and we're happy he's with us.
[12:29] <seb128> very good work
[12:29] <iegary> thank you!
[12:29] <seb128> thank *you*
[12:29] <seb128> :)
[12:29] <Seveas> \o/ for the patching effort
[12:29] <Seveas> please pick up more of those "easy" tasks 
[12:29] <dholbach> yeah :)
[12:30] <iegary> Oh I wouldn't touch any of the difficult ones...
[12:30] <Kamion> ok, launchpad brought up to current
[12:31] <seb128> (like that refcounting on poppler was not trivial code)
[12:31] <Seveas> iegary, if you have a moment to spare: Implement a "settings" button in gss please ;)
[12:31] <ogra> woah, poppler ?
[12:31] <mako> iegary: sounds like a great member to meto me :)
[12:31] <dholbach> pffffft
[12:31] <ogra> that indeed deserves membership right away !
[12:31] <Kamion> iegary: could you visit https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntumembers/+join, please?
[12:31] <iegary> I hear you, Seveas
[12:31] <iegary> btw, I hear a rumour I broke pdftex, for the record ;)
[12:31] <elmo> ogra: dude, don't make me rethink the edubuntu/kubuntu delegation thing :-P
[12:32] <ogra> elmo, :P
[12:32] <elmo> ack from me anyway
[12:32] <elmo> (I'm cheating and pre-reading wiki pages, I'm not really this fast)
[12:32] <ogra> heh
[12:32] <dholbach> YAY for elmo!
[12:32] <Kamion> sadly, I'm not, give me a minute or two
[12:32] <Seveas> elmo, FTW 
[12:33] <mako> elmo: i preread them too :)
[12:34] <elmo> Seveas: eh?
[12:34] <Seveas> elmo, nvm, I was just cheerleading
[12:35] <Seveas> The microsoft keyboard has some bad effects on my mental state
[12:35] <Kamion> oh yes, it was the brltty thing I noticed iegary for
[12:35] <ompaul> Seveas, we need someone to give you a type m in its place
[12:35] <mdke> is the microsoft keyboard responsible for the appearance of the dreaded ?
[12:36] <Yann2> hum. i've been approved as member approximatively one year ago, but never subscribed to the ubuntumembers team -_-
[12:36] <Yann2> should I forget it? :D
[12:36] <mako> Yann2: no, do it now
[12:36] <mako> Yann2: i remember approving you
[12:37] <Yann2> thanks, done
[12:37] <Kamion> iegary++, clearly doing a fine job beyond the normal call of duty on bug QA work
[12:37] <mdke> nice work iegary 
[12:37] <Seveas> nice one, welcome aboard!
[12:37] <Bluekuja> congratz iegary
[12:38] <dholbach> congratulations iegary!
[12:38] <iegary> thank you! I'm glad to be here.
[12:38] <Surak> congrats iegari!
[12:38] <Seveas> keep up the bug work
[12:38] <Seveas> gnomefreak, you're up
[12:38] <gnomefreak> thank you, Seveas 
[12:38] <Kamion> still need iegari to apply to join the team before I can add him
[12:38] <elmo> gnomefreak: where's your wiki page?
[12:38] <mako> is there no wikipage?
[12:38] <gnomefreak> Hi I'm John Vivirito aka gnomefreak, I have been helping on irc for many months now, helping new and experienced users on IRC, mailing lists, and more to the best of my ability. I have also done some material in the wikis. I can be found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Johnvivirito https://launchpad.net/people/gnomefreak http://www.freewebs.com/ubuntufreak/ubuntulinux.htm  right now I am learning more about Ubuntu and hope 
[12:38] <gnomefreak> to get some more Python and C experience. Done
[12:38] <mdke> elmo: mako: small "v"
[12:38] <Seveas> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Johnvivirito
[12:38] <gnomefreak> elmo, i thought it was oon the agenda wiki
[12:39] <gnomefreak> s/oon/on
[12:39] <Seveas> gnomefreak gets a \o/ from me for IRC support - he's active quite a lot
[12:39] <ompaul> I support gnomefreak in his application, he makes an excellent meeter and greeter, and has buckets patience with new users, he gets people from starting block to up and running, he is attentive to the user and gets to the root (should that be sudo ;-)) of the problem even with very new users, be it terminal material or not and walk them through to getting it usable, he has learnt a lot since he started in #ubuntu and his help is polished to 
[12:39] <ompaul> a high level. He does not get excited with abuse or trolls. 
[12:39] <ompaul> or Seveas +1
[12:39] <nalioth> +1 for gnomefreak for the above reasons
[12:39] <Seveas> And I want to hijack this a bit: he'd be a great #ubuntu op too
[12:40] <ompaul> we need him 
[12:40] <Seveas> (So a vote on that would be nice)
[12:40] <Kamion> I'm obviously too tired to make sense of the IRC logs in that wiki page
[12:40] <gnomefreak> thanks guys :)
[12:40] <_jason> gnomefreak is very active on irc.  He helps out the new guy as well as someone with a more difficult propblem.  He never seems to get frustrated and is always willing to help.
[12:42] <mako> ompaul: thanks
[12:42] <ompaul> mako, when we can we do :-)
[12:43] <mako> i read the first one
[12:43] <mako> it backs up everything that om has said
[12:43] <Seveas> gnomefreak reminds me a bit of myself a year ago, when I started doing IRC support. Full of enthousiasm and always willing to help/learn
[12:43] <mako> very patient, very helpful
[12:45] <Kamion> the main thing that's missing from the first log seems to be a link to the bug filed about the problem. :-)
[12:45] <Seveas> heh
[12:45] <Kamion> but yeah, what mako said
[12:46] <mako> gnomefreak: how long have you been helping out on irc?
[12:46] <gnomefreak> mako, strongly helping out since december
[12:47] <mako> alright, the most we can do is rely on testimonials and examples.. i'm happy with membership on those grounds
[12:47] <gnomefreak> thank you
[12:47] <Seveas> mako, how about IRC op?
[12:47] <mako> oh yes, that sounds fine
[12:47] <ompaul> mako, I really want to see him as an op
[12:48] <mako> if the other irc ops would like to see it
[12:48] <nalioth> +1 on gnomefreak as op
[12:48] <Seveas> mako, they want to 
[12:48] <Kamion> happy with gnomefreak for membership
[12:48] <gnomefreak> thank you
[12:49] <Surak> congratulations gnomefreak!
[12:49] <Kamion> gnomefreak: how's the new user network progressing? it's been a while since I heard anything much about it
[12:49] <ogra> congrats gnomefreak 
[12:49] <Seveas> Surak, ogra: not yet
[12:49] <Kamion> er, elmo's not said anything yet
[12:49] <gnomefreak> thank you everyone im glad to be aboard
[12:49] <elmo> ack
[12:49] <Seveas> gnomefreak, you're not there yet
[12:49] <Seveas> ah, you are ;)
[12:49] <gnomefreak> oops
[12:49] <Seveas> congratulations!
[12:49] <gnomefreak> thank you
[12:49] <mdke> nice work dude
[12:49] <Bluekuja> Kamion: new user network its not so much active now
[12:49] <ompaul> welcome abored 
[12:50] <ogra> congrats gnomefreak 
[12:50] <ogra> :)
[12:50] <Surak> congratulations now :-)
[12:50] <gnomefreak> Kamion, its going ok 
[12:50] <Bluekuja> congratz gnomefreak
[12:50] <gnomefreak> thank you everyone
[12:50] <_jason> gnomefreak: congrats
[12:50] <gnomefreak> ty _jason 
[12:50] <Seveas> gnomefreak, ah, the new user network is moving forward?
[12:50] <Kamion> lp munging all done
[12:50] <ompaul> maybe its time to move it on 
[12:51] <nalioth> Seveas: incrementally moving
[12:51] <Seveas> ompaul, move on to where?
[12:51] <Seveas> nalioth, good to hear
[12:51] <mako> alright
[12:51] <ompaul> Seveas,  the bar for the party :)
[12:51] <gnomefreak> Seveas, its getting there
[12:51] <Bluekuja> well, kamion talking with one of new user network admins, he said that the project is not more active because we dont need anymore
[12:51] <Bluekuja> it
[12:52] <Bluekuja> it was really usefull when ubuntu started
[12:52] <mako> alright, is there any other bueinss
[12:52] <Kamion> you mean we have fewer new users now than before? that sounds implausible
[12:52] <Kamion> no other business from me
[12:52] <Seveas> datetime of next meeting
[12:52] <BlueT_> am i the next to be voted?
[12:52] <mako> umm.. probably should be a bit earlier
[12:53] <mako> for example, 12UTC
[12:53] <Seveas> BlueT_, you're not on the agenda
[12:53] <Bluekuja> well, of course now there a lot of new users, but seems that the team is something like freezed
[12:53] <Bluekuja> it would be really nice to have it back
[12:53] <Kamion> actually, BlueT_ is on the agenda
[12:53] <Kamion> under "Member candidates covered in recent meetings"
[12:53] <Seveas> AH
[12:53] <Kamion> BlueT_: go ahead
[12:53] <BlueT_> My name's Matthew Lien, 22y. I'm the Ubuntu@Taiwan leader and Organizer. wiki page - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BlueT
[12:53] <BlueT_> Managing the [ LoCoTeam - Ubuntu@TW] 
[12:53] <BlueT_> --
[12:54] <BlueT_> Maintaining these servers and site contents
[12:54] <BlueT_> Website/Forum :  http://www.ubuntu.org.tw
[12:54] <BlueT_> Doc Team :  http://wiki.ubuntu.org.tw - Our own Docs for Traditional Chinese User and Translate Docs from English to Chinese.
[12:54] <BlueT_> APT server :  http://apt.ubuntu.org.tw - archive mirror, 2Gbps bandwidth.
[12:54] <BlueT_> Deb Team :  http://apt.ubuntu.org.tw/ubtw and  http://apt.ubuntu.org.tw/ubtw-testing - our own patched and up-to-date package for chinese users.
[12:54] <BlueT_> LiveCD Team :  http://apt.ubuntu.org.tw/UbuntuTW-LiveCD/ - Our own Custom version LiveCD for Traditional Chinese Users.
[12:54] <Kamion> "gray hat hacker"? /me raises eyebrow
[12:54] <BlueT_> ISO mirror :  http://apt.ubuntu.org.tw/release
[12:54] <BlueT_> Dapper mirror :  http://apt.ubuntu.org.tw/cdimage/releases/dapper/
[12:54] <BlueT_> --
[12:54] <BlueT_> Helping Ubuntu-(CN|HK) to be a organized LoCoTeam with our framework.
[12:54] <BlueT_> Organizing a Ubuntu-ZH, which is a United Team of Ubuntu-(TW|CN|HK), for doing things about TW <-> CN <-> HK.
[12:54] <BlueT_> Help users on #ubuntu-tw #ubuntu-cn #ubuntu-hk #ubuntu-zh.
[12:54] <BlueT_> Prepearing a doc server for ubuntu-tw , ubuntu-cn and ubuntu-hk local teams (have been setted up).
[12:54] <BlueT_> Prepearing a buildd server for ubuntu-tw , ubuntu-cn and ubuntu-hk local teams.
[12:54] <BlueT_> BetterCJKSupport which aims to make CJK user can use ubuntu more smoothly.
[12:54] <BlueT_> Translate doc from english to chinese.
[12:54] <BlueT_> Kamion: white hat for now and future, actually :)
[12:54] <BlueT_> Write HOWTOs and Docs.
[12:55] <Kamion> BlueT_: what are the modifications in the UbuntuTW live CD?
[12:55] <Kamion> are they things that we could integrate properly - are bugs filed?
[12:55] <Seveas> (bbiab)
[12:55] <Kamion> http://apt.ubuntu.org.tw/release 404
[12:56] <Kamion> ah, releases
[12:56] <BlueT_> Kamion: it was for chinese bug fixs in breezy
[12:56] <Kamion> http://apt.ubuntu.org.tw/cdimage/releases/dapper/ is a bit out of date FWIW
[12:56] <Kamion> BlueT_: are they still needed in dapper?
[12:56] <BlueT_> Kamion: the connection speed of cdimage is REALLY slow. we tried our best to mirror :(
[12:57] <BlueT_> Kamion: i'll focus on locolization in our dapper livecd :)
[12:57] <Kamion> there was a period when it was slow due to various issues - you may find it's faster now though, that was a while ago
[12:57] <Kamion> although I appreciate that shoving bits half-way round the world takes a while
[12:58] <elmo> it definitely shoudl be better now
[12:58] <Surak> BlueT_: i can rsync the daily images in matter of minutes today from cdimage
[12:58] <elmo> if it's still slow, I suspect network problems, or just general poor level3 .eu -> asia links
[12:58] <Kamion> BlueT_: I feel quite strongly that we should be making sure these bits get merged; if you want to mail me (or maybe better ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com) a list of things that need to be integrated, that'd be good
[12:59] <BlueT_> Kamion: okay :)
[12:59] <Kamion> can somebody who knows about it talk with BlueT about the official Ubuntu book?
[12:59] <Kamion> (looking down at the bottom of the wiki page)
[12:59] <Seveas> I've asked the publisher about translations - no response yet
[01:00] <BlueT_> Surak: the speed's still slow here :S
[01:00] <neuralis> Seveas: talk to me afterwards, i can probably answer your question(s).
[01:00] <Seveas> (I'm one of the reviewers for the book)
[01:00] <Seveas> neuralis, after the meeting is bedtime, sorry
[01:00] <Kamion> BlueT_: on CDs, if you burn our released CD images, you can call those official; for altered/localised CDs we'd have to talk about the details
[01:00] <neuralis> Seveas: that's fine, catch me whenever
[01:01] <Kamion> any other ubuntu-tw folks around?
[01:01] <mako> BlueT_: i can talk to you about hte book too
[01:01] <Surak> Seveas: I spoke with mako about pt_BR: I have someone with money who wishes to do it. Mako, did you receive my email?
[01:01] <mako> Seveas: i've been talking to the publisher about translations.. she said she can make it happen but isn't entirely sure how
[01:01] <BlueT_> Kamion: Mark asked me to email him these, but no response from him. :S
[01:02] <mako> Seveas: it's under a free license though so, well, it can happen :)
[01:02] <BlueT_> mako: ok :D
[01:02] <Kamion> BlueT_: try ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com then
[01:02] <Kamion> BlueT_: were any of your group at the localisation sprint in London?
[01:02] <BlueT_> Kamion: abelcheng and freeflying-ibook knows me :)
[01:02] <mako> i'm still trying to get a sense of the answer to Kamion's first questions
[01:03] <mako> now large of a diff are you carrying and how much of it can you get back into ubuntu
[01:03] <mako> s/now/how/
[01:03] <BlueT_> Kamion: nope. we're not invited. but abelcheng was there :)
[01:04] <Bluekuja> guys i have to go, kamion I'll contact you tomorrow to talk about the new user network
[01:04] <Bluekuja> suggestions etc
[01:04] <BlueT_> mako: almost everything. # how much of it can you get back into ubuntu
[01:05] <mako> BlueT_: bugs filed?
[01:06] <BlueT_> mako: i can't say a correctly number for that question, coz we have a DebTeam for now. # now large of a diff are you carrying 
[01:06] <OgMaciel> heya mako...  long time don't see
[01:07] <BlueT_> mako: not enough time for it.
[01:08] <mako> BlueT_: what do you mean by a DebTeam?
[01:08] <BlueT_> mako: somebody should focus on bugs filing, and somebody should focus on else.
[01:09] <Kamion> a mix of both activities works well for most of the Ubuntu development team, FWIW; it's better for the people who are familiar with the problems to file the bugs
[01:09] <Kamion> anyway, we're drifting off-topic; how do folks feel?
[01:09] <BlueT_> mako: now we have a team for doing patches and packaging softwares.
[01:10] <Kamion> I'd really like a commitment to push for reintegration of the ubuntu-tw development work, so that it's a contribution to Ubuntu proper
[01:10] <mdke> BlueT_: (if you're interested in translating the Desktop Guide, Server Guide, Packaging Guide etc, have a look at the ubuntu-translators mailing list archives, there are details there of how to do that.)
[01:11] <BlueT_> mdke: i see. i had subscribed that mailing list already :)
[01:11] <Kamion> but if that's done, I'm happy with the rest of the work
[01:11] <elmo> kamion++
[01:11] <Kamion> (local advocacy, testing, local documentation etc.)
[01:11] <mdke> BlueT_: good, I was just checking because I saw the thing about translating the book so I thought I'd just clarify in case you didn't know about it.
[01:12] <BlueT_> mdke: thanx :)
[01:12] <BlueT_> and apologize if there's any questions i didn't answer
[01:12] <mako> that sounds like a fair deal
[01:13] <Seveas> So, +3 once the ubuntu-tw works are merged?
[01:13] <elmo> not conditional on it being merged, but a commitment to working towards that
[01:13] <BlueT_> coz english is not my native language, so maybe i'm a little slower than you @@"
[01:14] <mako> elmo: right
[01:15] <mako> alright then
[01:15] <mako> BlueT_: welcome
[01:15] <mako> if there are no problems then, lets reconvene in two weeks at UTC12
[01:16] <Kamion> can I approve BlueT in LP?
[01:16] <ogra> without that commitment ?
[01:16] <BlueT_> mako: thanx :)
[01:18] <Kamion> BlueT_: can you say that you will get somebody to send a summary of your changes to ubuntu-devel@, and we can move on? :-)
[01:19] <BlueT_> changes on...?
[01:19] <Kamion> BlueT_: the ubuntu-tw live CD, with respect to dapper
[01:20] <ogra> bugs that havent been filed etc 
[01:20] <BlueT_> Kamion: yeh of course :)
[01:21] <ogra> s/filed/filed yet/ :)
[01:21] <Kamion> ok, great, thank you
[01:21] <Kamion> I've approved BlueT in launchpad now
[01:21] <elmo> ANY OTHER BUSINESS?
[01:21] <Kamion> right
[01:21] <Kamion> 00:15 < mako> if there are no problems then, lets reconvene in two weeks at UTC12
[01:21] <Kamion> works for me
[01:21] <Seveas> ack
[01:21] <freeflying-ibook> hi all, I know something about BlueT_ , shall I tell something
[01:21] <Kamion> going
[01:21] <elmo> is that midday?
[01:22] <Kamion> freeflying-ibook: go ahead
[01:22] <Kamion> elmo: yes
[01:22] <elmo> oh, hang on
[01:22] <Kamion> freeflying-ibook: although we've already approved him so it's a bit late, but quick
[01:22] <elmo> Kamion: that's the middle of debconf
[01:22] <elmo> I think all four CC folks will be there ;-)
[01:22] <Kamion> I won't
[01:22] <freeflying-ibook> Kamion: BlueT_ has host ubuntu-tw,and do support in taiwan
[01:22] <elmo> Kamion: no?  bummer
[01:22] <Kamion> afraid not :(
[01:23] <Kamion> no mehico for me
[01:23] <freeflying-ibook> Kamion: he has worked with us lots for BetterCJKSuppor spec, like test, etc
[01:23] <elmo> mako's registered at least and usually turns up.  mark's going
[01:23] <elmo> 12UTC is going to be awfully early in mexico
[01:24] <mako> elmo: i'm actually *not* going to be at debconf
[01:24] <elmo> mako: ah
[01:24] <Seveas> *shock*
[01:24] <mako> i asked them to unregister
[01:24] <mako> i know
[01:24] <mako> first time in like 5 years
[01:24] <Kamion> how about we make it 2000UTC then, to let elmo and mark get adequate beauty sleep
[01:24] <mako> combination of end of the semester, sponsors week at the media lab and getting married sort of added together :)
[01:25] <Kamion> freeflying-ibook: ok, thanks; sounds like we were right to approve him from your point of view, then :)
[01:25] <mdke> wow, congrats mako 
[01:25] <ogra> mako, getting married ????
[01:25] <Kamion> mako: oh, hey, congratulations
[01:25] <Seveas> getting married?!?
[01:25] <mako> ah, yes, i haven't blogged that yet :)
[01:25] <freeflying-ibook> Kamion: thanks
[01:25] <ogra> mako, you ????
[01:25] <mako> will do today :)
[01:25] <Seveas> when?
[01:25] <gnomefreak> congrats mako 
[01:25] <ogra> mako, WOW !!!!
[01:25] <Seveas> congratulations!
[01:25] <elmo> Kamion: in some ways 12UTC might work better - there's more chance of me attending, if not mark.  20UTC would put us middle of day, fighting with talks (or the water park)
[01:25] <ogra> yeah, congrats
[01:25] <freeflying-ibook> BlueT_: congrats
[01:25] <ajmitch> mako: nice way to spring it on us :)
[01:25] <BlueT_> mako: congradulations!
[01:25] <mako> either time is fine for me :)
[01:25] <mako> ajmitch: thought you wouldn't notice :)
[01:25] <ompaul> mako, :-) best of luck
[01:26] <BlueT_> Kamion: am i one of ubuntu-members now?
[01:26] <Seveas> BlueT_, yes
[01:26] <Surak> mako: congratulations, and.... good luck!
[01:26] <gnomefreak> congrats BlueT_ 
[01:26] <BlueT_> Seveas: thanx
[01:26] <ogra> BlueT_, welcome :)
[01:26] <elmo> kamion/mako: ok, let's do 12UTC.  I can have fun trolling mark, telling him he has to attend to make up for missing so many
[01:26] <BlueT_> gnomefreak: you too :D
[01:26] <gnomefreak> thank you
[01:26] <ompaul> BlueT_, well done
[01:26] <BlueT_> ogra: *hug*
[01:26] <ogra> :)
[01:27] <BlueT_> ompaul: thx :)
[01:27] <mako> elmo: sounds fine
[01:27] <ogra> elmo, tell him he'll be kept in afterwards :)
[01:27] <Kamion> elmo: works for me; throw a bucket of water over him for me ;)
[01:27] <elmo> ok - can we call this a night?  I'd kind of like to get some dinner ;)
[01:28] <elmo> mako: (congratulations)
[01:28] <Kamion> righto
[01:28] <Kamion> adjourned
[01:28] <ogra> yay
[01:28] <ogra> that was longish
[01:29] <gnomefreak> night everyone and thank you again
[01:30] <mdke> night all.
[01:30] <BlueT_> good morning everyone and much thanx :)
[01:30] <Surak> night folks
[01:57] <Meyer> @schedule Brazil/East
[01:57] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Brazil/East: 03 May 09:00: Edubuntu | 03 May 10:30: Xubuntu | 03 May 23:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 09 May 17:00: Technical Board | 10 May 09:00: Edubuntu | 10 May 10:30: Xubuntu
[02:47] <_sHaDe> Buona Notte a Tutti :)
[11:58] <highvoltage> !schedule UTC
[11:58] <lifeless> @schedule UTC
[11:58] <lifeless> ?
[11:58] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Etc/UTC: 03 May 12:00: Edubuntu | 03 May 13:30: Xubuntu | 04 May 02:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 09 May 20:00: Technical Board | 10 May 12:00: Edubuntu | 10 May 13:30: Xubuntu
[12:04] <highvoltage> is there an edubuntu meeting here now?
[12:05] <Kinnison> highvoltage: it's 10:05 UTC
[12:05] <lifeless> schedule sydney
[12:05] <lifeless> @schedule sydney
[12:05] <Kinnison> highvoltage: So I guess the edubuntu meeting will start in 2h
[12:05] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Australia/Sydney: 03 May 22:00: Edubuntu | 03 May 23:30: Xubuntu | 04 May 12:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 10 May 06:00: Technical Board | 10 May 22:00: Edubuntu | 10 May 23:30: Xubuntu
[12:05] <lifeless> 2 hours
[12:07] <highvoltage> pggg, 12:00 SAST now :) sorry.
[12:09] <lifeless> highvoltage: ...
[12:09] <lifeless> @schedule SAST
[12:09] <lifeless> highvoltage: what city are you in ?
[12:17] <ogra> lifeless, he's in capetown 
[12:17] <ogra> (GMT+2)
[12:17] <lifeless> so, in theory:
[12:17] <lifeless> @schedule capetown
[12:17] <lifeless> nup, sucks
[12:18] <rikai> @schedule eastern
[12:18] <lifeless> @schedule GMT+2
[12:18] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Canada/Eastern: 03 May 08:00: Edubuntu | 03 May 09:30: Xubuntu | 03 May 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 09 May 16:00: Technical Board | 10 May 08:00: Edubuntu | 10 May 09:30: Xubuntu
[12:18] <lifeless> @schedule (GMT+2)
[12:18] <lifeless> file a bug :)
[12:18] <rikai> lifeless: i do believe that GMT+* has been disabled.
[12:18] <ogra> just poke Seveas :)
[12:18] <ogra> @schedule UTC+2 
[12:18] <lifeless> 20:18 [freenode]  -Ubugtu(n=bugbot@ubuntu/bot/ubugtu)- Error: Unknown timezone: (GMT+2) - Full list: http://bugbot.ubuntulinux.nl/timezones.html
[12:19] <ogra> same for UTC+2
[12:19] <lifeless> the send-to-console behaviour of ubugtu really shits me
[12:19] <lifeless> I dont see them for ages
[12:19] <rikai> i do believe that the only way that works is by timezone name or major cities.
[12:19] <lifeless> yeah
[12:19] <ogra> probably it just forgot how addition and subtraction work
[12:19] <lifeless> I figured capetown would be major enough
[12:19] <rikai> Seveas disabled all other forms.
[12:20] <lifeless> @schedule posixrules
[12:20] <Ubugtu> Schedule for posixrules: 03 May 08:00: Edubuntu | 03 May 09:30: Xubuntu | 03 May 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 09 May 16:00: Technical Board | 10 May 08:00: Edubuntu | 10 May 09:30: Xubuntu
[12:20] <lifeless> rikai: not really :)
[12:20] <rikai> @schedule New York
[12:20] <rikai> :F
[12:20] <lifeless> posixrules is not a major city :)
[12:20] <rikai> @schedule New_York
[12:20] <Ubugtu> Schedule for America/New_York: 03 May 08:00: Edubuntu | 03 May 09:30: Xubuntu | 03 May 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 09 May 16:00: Technical Board | 10 May 08:00: Edubuntu | 10 May 09:30: Xubuntu
[12:20] <rikai> aha!
[12:20] <lifeless> @schedule johannesburg
[12:20] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Africa/Johannesburg: 03 May 14:00: Edubuntu | 03 May 15:30: Xubuntu | 04 May 04:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 09 May 22:00: Technical Board | 10 May 14:00: Edubuntu | 10 May 15:30: Xubuntu
[12:21] <ogra> johannesburg > capetown ???
[12:22] <lifeless> apparently
[12:22] <ogra> heh
[12:22] <Seveas> lifeless/ogra: GMT+/-X has been disabled because it's confusing
[12:22] <ogra> given that capetown it the capital, you probably should have it in that list :)
[12:22] <Seveas> it has only official timezone names
[12:23] <Seveas> If you think things are missing: contact the olson db maintainers 
[12:23] <highvoltage> ogra: we have two capitals in SA :)
[12:23] <ogra> highvoltage, officially ? 
[12:24] <highvoltage> ogra: just a sec...
[12:26] <rikai> south africa hs 3 capitals it seems.
[12:26] <rikai> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Africa
[12:26] <highvoltage> ogra: no, i was wrong
[12:26] <rikai> look tot he table on the right.
[12:26] <rikai> *to the
[12:26] <highvoltage> ogra: we have 3 official capital cities :)
[12:26] <cbx33> @schedule
[12:26] <Ubugtu> schedule Retrieve the date/time of scheduled meetings in a specific timezone
[12:26] <cbx33> @schedule london
[12:26] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/London: 03 May 13:00: Edubuntu | 03 May 14:30: Xubuntu | 04 May 03:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 09 May 21:00: Technical Board | 10 May 13:00: Edubuntu | 10 May 14:30: Xubuntu
[12:27] <rikai> Cape Town(Legeslative), Pretoria(Administrative) and Bloemfontein(Judicial)
[12:27] <rikai> and 11 official languages.... sheesh.
[12:28] <highvoltage> rikai: was almost 12, since sign language almost became one too :)
[12:29] <bimberi> @schedule canberra
[12:30] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Australia/Canberra: 03 May 22:00: Edubuntu | 03 May 23:30: Xubuntu | 04 May 12:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 10 May 06:00: Technical Board | 10 May 22:00: Edubuntu | 10 May 23:30: Xubuntu
[12:30] <rikai> highvoltage: heh.
[01:04] <_sHaDe> ciao a tutti
[01:40] <lucasvo> @schedule zurich
[01:41] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Zurich: 03 May 14:00: Edubuntu | 03 May 15:30: Xubuntu | 04 May 04:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 09 May 22:00: Technical Board | 10 May 14:00: Edubuntu | 10 May 15:30: Xubuntu
[01:50] <cbx33> afternoon all
[01:51] <jsgotangco> wow 2UTC for development
[01:52] <jsgotangco> that's like 4am in capetown
[01:52] <ogra> or germany
[01:53] <highvoltage> or italy
[01:53] <highvoltage> :)
[01:53] <ogra> 3AM in the uk
[01:53] <jsgotangco> that's 10am for me heh
[01:53] <bimberi> Noon in Oz :P
[01:53] <highvoltage> which suits me. nobody will bug and disrupt me that time of the morning.
[01:56] <jsgotangco> shall we start?
[01:56] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: 3 more minutes, i think :)
[01:57] <ogra> 4
[01:58] <Laser_away> hi everybody
[01:58] <ogra> wow, you made it !
[01:59] <LaserJock> heh, barely ;-)
[01:59] <cbx33> nice one LaserJock 
[02:00] <ogra> 12:00 UTC :)
[02:01] <JaneW> hi all
[02:01] <jsgotangco> hey ajmitch
[02:01] <ajmitch> hi
[02:01] <JaneW> Edubuntu meeting time
[02:02] <cbx33> w00t
[02:02] <Bluekuja> hi all
[02:02] <jsgotangco> ok
[02:02] <flint> Good morning Jane and all the gang...
[02:02] <Bluekuja> i just arrived :)
[02:02] <ogra> heya
[02:02] <cbx33> hey Bluekuja 
[02:02] <Bluekuja> hey pete
[02:02] <Bluekuja> hi oliver
[02:02] <Bluekuja> hi jane
[02:02] <highvoltage> hi flint 
[02:02] <Bluekuja> ooh highvoltage
[02:02] <flint> hey Jonathan!
[02:02] <Bluekuja> hi
[02:02] <JaneW> ok today's meeting is somewhat momentous
[02:02] <ogra> ok, no topics added to the agenda, thats great :)
[02:02] <ogra> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuMeetingAgenda
[02:03] <JaneW> and a bit more official that some of the others we have had
[02:03] <cbx33> indeed
[02:03] <ogra> yeah, welcome to the first edubuntu council meeting evah :)
[02:03] <JaneW> as it is our first ever EC nominations/votes/inauguration
[02:03] <JaneW> RAH
[02:03] <ogra> so do we follow the general agenda first ? #
[02:04] <ogra> i dont have much from a tech POV 
[02:04] <JaneW> I think we should do EC first
[02:04] <JaneW> agreed?
[02:04] <cbx33> yes
[02:04] <Bluekuja> okie
[02:04] <ogra> hmm
[02:04] <ogra> k
[02:04] <ogra> jsgotangco, ?
[02:04] <JaneW> as the rest tends to becomes rambling discussion, let's do official business first
[02:04] <JaneW> agree/disagree now
[02:04] <flint> ok
[02:05] <jsgotangco> oh go ahead
[02:05] <highvoltage> yep
[02:05] <ogra> JaneW, you chair ?
[02:06] <JaneW> yes sorry I was merrilly typing in wrong #
[02:06] <JaneW> JaneW ok officially
[02:06] <JaneW> JaneW The edubuntu council will review membership candidates at every first meeting in a month, please add yourself below and subscribe to [WWW]  https://launchpad.net/people/edubuntu-members, the same membership rules as in ubuntu apply.
[02:06] <JaneW> JaneW ok who do we have up for membership today?
[02:06] <cbx33> heheh
[02:06] <JaneW> just cbx33 today?
[02:07] <JaneW> and is highvoltage approved already?
[02:07] <ogra> shouldnt we first make the EC complete ? 
[02:07] <JaneW>  (I am not clear on that)
[02:07] <ogra> nope, we'll need to vote 
[02:07] <cbx33> who can vote?
[02:07] <ogra> we have two EC  nominations
[02:07] <highvoltage> well, i suppose the EC should exist first before it approves members :)
[02:07] <JaneW> ogra: ok
[02:07] <JaneW> ogra / highvoltage : yes good point!
[02:07] <ogra> i think only EC should vote for EC
[02:07] <JaneW> ogra: ok want to run with this part?
[02:08] <JaneW> ogra: yes but like CC we can hear argument from outsiders
[02:08] <highvoltage> let the arguments begin!
[02:08] <JaneW> which can help the EC to decide
[02:08] <JaneW> so who is the EC
[02:08] <JaneW> so far ogra
[02:08] <ogra> and you
[02:08] <JaneW> and I
[02:09] <JaneW> I think we need at LEAST one and preferably 2 more
[02:09] <ogra> so praise the candidates *now* !
[02:09] <ogra> i'd say we need at least 2, preferably 3 :)
[02:09] <JaneW> what will consistute a quorum? 2 or 3?
[02:09] <highvoltage> ogra: any candidates from university?
[02:09] <JaneW> I'd say 3
[02:09] <ogra> JaneW, we need a weight against employee power
[02:09] <LaserJock> highvoltage: me
[02:09] <jsgotangco> stand au loin
[02:09] <JaneW> ogra: yes
[02:09] <ogra> so at least two for now
[02:10] <JaneW> ogra: should we look at other Ubuntu ppl (Kamion, mdz etc some to mind)
[02:10] <flint> I would suppose that all this should be written on a web site and ratified by a popular vote.
[02:10] <cbx33> thank you both for all your help and support
[02:10] <ogra> JaneW, i doubt they have ambitions to become EC members :)
[02:10] <JaneW> ogra: I don't know
[02:11] <Kamion> JaneW: please not me; I'm already on the Community Council and the whole point of this is to delegate
[02:11] <Kamion> not much point in delegating to myself
[02:11] <ogra> flint, it was discussed on the mailinglist over the last week
[02:11] <JaneW> Kamion: ok, noted
[02:11] <bimberi> hehe, i think they have enough meetings :)
[02:11] <cbx33> heheh
[02:11] <JaneW> ogra: what about jsgotangco or mhz?
[02:11] <ogra> JaneW, aslo i think two canonical employees is really enough
[02:11] <flint> typically the beginning of governance starts with a vote of aclaimation.
[02:11] <Kamion> I think it's important that the Edubuntu council are people who are actively involved in Edubuntu, not just Ubuntu in general
[02:11] <ogra> flint, as it happened on the ML
[02:11] <highvoltage> i think both jsgotangco and mhz would be good candidates
[02:12] <ogra> yes, jsgotangco would be great
[02:12] <jsgotangco> err?
[02:12] <JaneW> highvoltage: additionally they cover different timezones, which is handy
[02:12] <flint> ogra, was there a posting of quorum?  
[02:12] <ogra> mhz is rarely around recently
[02:12] <JaneW> jsgotangco: !
[02:12] <JaneW> ogra: yes, but he might be able to fix that
[02:12] <Kamion> flint: FWIW this is delegation of governance not initiation of governance
[02:12] <ogra> flint, there was an explanation how we want to go forward with that, some nominations and praising
[02:13] <highvoltage> ogra: he's been real busy 'out there' though
[02:13] <flint> Kamion, i missed one meeting was there a vote to initiate this council?
[02:13] <ogra> highvoltage, right
[02:13] <JaneW> jsgotangco: you interested?
[02:13] <jsgotangco> ack
[02:13] <Kamion> flint: it's a delegated body requested to be created by the Ubuntu Community Council
[02:13] <jsgotangco> :D
[02:13] <JaneW> I'll take that as a no...?
[02:13] <jsgotangco> i thought we are nominating?
[02:13] <ogra> JaneW, ack usually means acknowledged
[02:13] <flint> JaneW, I believe that is so.
[02:13] <JaneW> ogra: the problem is that the longstanding active community is still pretty small.
[02:13] <cbx33> ogra: not in calvin and hobbes :p
[02:14] <JaneW> ack can be like GAH!
[02:14] <LaserJock> cbx33: hehe
[02:14] <flint> Kamion, I agree that the UCC says go but do WE say so?
[02:14] <ogra> JaneW, yes, but we have people like LaserJock highvoltage and jsgotangco applying for the job, so i think thats fine 
[02:14] <JaneW> ogra: great, let's take all 3. ?
[02:15] <jsgotangco> JaneW: i don't mind doing this for the interim till we get stable enough for proper voting
[02:15] <ogra> we'll get more people involved with a working council simply through membership
[02:15] <ogra> i'd also like to suggest a time limitation on the job
[02:15] <ogra> i.e. max two release periods
[02:15] <jsgotangco> yeah
[02:15] <highvoltage> time limitation is great
[02:15] <LaserJock> yep
[02:15] <JaneW> Yes that's a good idea
[02:15] <highvoltage> does membership also have time limitation?
[02:16] <bimberi> ogra: yes, tying it to release periods is a very good idea
[02:16] <ogra> people can apply again and get voted again though
[02:16] <cbx33> ogra: good
[02:16] <ogra> highvoltage, yes, two years by default iirc
[02:16] <ogra> LP setting
[02:16] <JaneW> yes I think that's it
[02:16] <highvoltage> ok, great.
[02:16] <ogra> so JaneW would you be happy with these three then until eft+1 ?
[02:16] <JaneW> ok do we have the core EC then?
[02:17] <ogra> looks like :)
[02:17] <JaneW> LaserJock/ highvoltage / jsgotangco  you happy with that?
[02:17] <highvoltage> JaneW: yep
[02:17] <ogra> jsgotangco, highvoltage, LaserJock welcome to the powerful world of the EC :)
[02:17] <JaneW> I need a clear affirmative
[02:17] <jsgotangco> JaneW: sounds fun
[02:17] <ogra> yeah
[02:17] <highvoltage> mhuahahaha
[02:17] <highvoltage> JaneW: YES
[02:17] <LaserJock> yes, I am here ;-)
[02:17] <JaneW> ok Done
[02:18] <ogra> LaserJock, and you are fine with it ?
[02:18] <rikai> Congrats guys :)
[02:18] <LaserJock> ogra: yessir
[02:18] <JaneW>  we'll need a cake...
[02:18] <ogra> great :)
[02:18] <flint> JaneW, should the candidates be special in their interests or merely involved in development?
[02:18] <bimberi> \o/
[02:18] <JaneW> flint: not so much dev related, more COMMUNITY issues, by definition
[02:18] <ogra> flint, the EC candidates should be members for some time already 
[02:18] <JaneW> but I am sure dev will be touched on too
[02:18] <flint> should a teacher or a student be involved, maybe one or the other already is?
[02:19] <ogra> flint, we're done for now with that part ...
[02:19] <highvoltage> flint: read ogra's last post to edubuntu-devel, he said exactly that :)
[02:19] <LaserJock> flint: I'm a PhD student and teach a bit as a part of that
[02:19] <flint> LaserJock, excellent.
[02:19] <jsgotangco> yeah he has a Laser
[02:19] <JaneW> cbx33: is also involved with a school
[02:19] <cbx33> indeed I am
[02:19] <ogra> flint, and highvoltage closely works on the frontline with teachers and schoools
[02:19] <jsgotangco> im not messing with a guy with a *Laser*
[02:20] <flint> ogra, I have very good feelings about Jonathan.
[02:20] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: heh, you better not ;-)
[02:20] <JaneW> ok, on to today's candidate/s
[02:20] <highvoltage> flint: :)
[02:20] <ogra> jsgotangco, pfft, just get a big mirror 
[02:20] <ogra> he cant harm you :)
[02:20] <jsgotangco> lol
[02:20] <JaneW> we have cbx33 
[02:20] <ogra> yeah, membership candidates please prepare the 3 liner
[02:21] <ogra> oops phone
[02:21] <highvoltage> and a wiki page
[02:21] <JaneW> cbx33: can you breifly tell us why you'd like to join
[02:21] <highvoltage> but you don't have to phone us.
[02:21] <JaneW> and what you plan on doing?
[02:21] <highvoltage> :p
[02:21] <cbx33> ok
[02:21] <cbx33> Been working heavily on documentation recently, creating SchoolsAdvocacy page, eventually hoping to be a printed pamphlet to send to schools. Wrote LTSP man pages, and LTSP DHCP and multi boot docs. Perform testing on Edubuntu CD's, whenever required. Working on the edubuntu testing plans and report templates. Reporting bugs, submitting fixes wherever possible. Offering support whenever I can to the #edubuntu channel.
[02:21] <cbx33> I hope to push Edubuntu to schools more and more. Would love to showcase Edubuntu at the BETT show in London next year. More testing. Organise a team to write an edubuntu book for school administrators. Get involved with getting better Active Directory integration for easier migration for schools. More bug fixing, learning python and contributing to the LTSP manager package. Aim to be come a MOTU.
[02:22] <cbx33> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PeteSavage
[02:22] <jsgotangco> the advocacy page is exactly what i wanted for a desktop guide before
[02:22] <Bluekuja> hehe
[02:22] <jsgotangco> it lists the basic apps that differentiate edubuntu
[02:22] <cbx33> :D - were working on it
[02:22] <JaneW> cbx33: sounds great thanks
[02:22] <highvoltage> cbx33: is the ltsp man pages available on-line somewhere?
[02:23] <JaneW> cbx33: yes and that advocacy page looks great, I am sure it will be very usefull.
[02:23] <cbx33> they are in my LTSP bazaar branch
[02:23] <cbx33> I do have some online links too
[02:23] <ogra> highvoltage, i'll upload the ltsp package with the manpages today
[02:23] <cbx33> thank you ogra 
[02:23] <jsgotangco> i made some hi-rez screenshots of the applications, if you want, i can turn them over to you
[02:23] <highvoltage> ok, nice.
[02:23] <ogra> but there is also the bzr branch from cbx33 
[02:23] <JaneW> cbx33: hopefully we can print them as a brochure, but I can't commit to that unfortunately
[02:23] <cbx33> nice jsgotangco :D
[02:23] <cbx33> JaneW: I understand
[02:23] <LaserJock> cbx33: when did you first get involved with Edubuntu?
[02:24] <cbx33> I've been involed with the development of edubuntu ie joinging the community since the beginning of April
[02:24] <cbx33> but was using and testing it a little while before, though hadn't been part of launchpad
[02:24] <JaneW> from what I have seen so far cbx33 is not only keen, and enthusiastic, but reliable and available too, which counts for a lot.
[02:24] <ogra> and cbx33 did an awesome job since then
[02:24] <jsgotangco> cbx33: care to elaborate about the testingplan?
[02:24] <ogra> i bet youre the most active community contributor currently
[02:25] <JaneW> So even though you have only been around a short while, if you plan to stay on for a while, I am happy to gve you my vote.
[02:25] <highvoltage> I know Ubuntu memebership is about long-term, sustained contribution, but i think that cbx33 has already proven his dedication to us in this short perioud.
[02:25] <highvoltage> *period.
[02:25] <highvoltage> ogra: i second that
[02:25] <Bluekuja> yeah, cbx33 is doing a great work
[02:25] <cbx33> Sure, the testing plan will detail, similar to the ubuntu testing plan, what we need to do to fully test the betas, in particular the difference to ubuntu
[02:25] <ogra> oh, btw, EC quorum is 3 of 5, right ? 
[02:25] <Bluekuja> just taking a look to the advocacy page
[02:25] <JaneW> ogra: yes
[02:25] <cbx33> the report tempalte is supposed to provide a way of signing off packages to say they have been tested and approved by at least 2 people
[02:26] <LaserJock> I've had very good interactions with cbx33. He did proofreading for the Ubuntu Packaging Guide and I'm helping him with the Advocacy page a bit
[02:26] <cbx33> JaneW: I plan to stay :p
[02:26] <JaneW> ogra: but I think if only 3 memebers are present (quorum) then the vote would need to be unnanimous (agreed?)
[02:26] <cbx33> thank you highvoltage 
[02:26] <highvoltage> JaneW: yep
[02:26] <highvoltage> sorry, you asked ogra 
[02:27] <ogra> JaneW, i'd think 4 weeks of *very active* contribution is enough to call it sustained, even if he'd disapper tomorrow he would have contributed a lot already :)
[02:27] <Bluekuja> yeah
[02:27] <JaneW> do you all agree that 3 votes are needed to get in? regardless of now many EC members are in attendance?
[02:27] <ogra> JaneW, yep
[02:27] <Bluekuja> he's working really hard for the project
[02:27] <LaserJock> JaneW: agreed
[02:27] <highvoltage> ogra: yep
[02:27] <jsgotangco> ack
[02:28] <ogra> so does anyone have any additional questions to cbx33 ?
[02:28] <Bluekuja> nope
[02:28] <cbx33> https://launchpad.net/people/petesavage/
[02:28] <cbx33> whoops i forgot to add that
[02:28] <ogra> the wikipage talks for itself i think and we all have already worked with him
[02:28] <JaneW> ok so official voting now. Who would like to vote cbx33 as EC member?
[02:28] <bimberi> no, agree with what's been said so far - great work cbx33!!
[02:28] <JaneW> +1
[02:28] <ogra> +1
[02:28] <highvoltage> +1
[02:28] <JaneW> that's 3, you're in!
[02:29] <Kamion> JaneW: EC member or Edubuntu member?
[02:29] <cbx33> :D
[02:29] <flint> cbx33, nice wiki page indeed 
[02:29] <LaserJock> +1 with some reservation on the time, but I really like cbx33's work
[02:29] <bimberi> cbx33: the first Edubuntu member - congratulations!
[02:29] <JaneW> to be clear that's as Edubuntu Member
[02:29] <Bluekuja> congrats cbx33
[02:29] <Bluekuja> :)
[02:29] <jsgotangco> +1 for hard work (did my vote matter?)
[02:29] <jsgotangco> :D
[02:29] <cbx33> Thank you all for all your support 
[02:29] <ogra> cbx33, wow, thats 5 of 5, welcome aboard !
[02:30] <JaneW> congrats cbx33 , and that's for your excellent work so far. And for your wife's art.
[02:30] <cbx33> this community is the most helpful I've ever worked in, and no eliteism either
[02:30] <cbx33> thank you ogra 
[02:30] <ogra> and congrats for being the first :)
[02:30] <jsgotangco> err where's the LP page?
[02:30] <Bluekuja> great pete welcome :)
[02:30] <cbx33> https://launchpad.net/people/petesavage/
[02:30] <ogra> there are two other people on the LP page
[02:30] <LaserJock> JaneW: oh yeah, I was going to mention he should become a member through marrage ;-)
[02:30] <JaneW> are they here?
[02:30] <JaneW> cbx33: did you need it?
[02:30] <ogra> (not listed on the wiki though)
[02:30] <cbx33> no
[02:30] <highvoltage> cbx33: i second that (most helpful community i worked with before)
[02:31] <ogra> is Arnnstien1 around ?
[02:31] <JaneW> highvoltage: that's in large part due to you too
[02:31] <JaneW> damn, next time
[02:31] <highvoltage> JaneW: thanks ;)
[02:31] <ogra> freeflying applied accidentially i think, he's already ubuntu memeber, so no need to apply additionally to edubuntu-members
[02:31] <highvoltage> cbx33: congratulations!
[02:31] <bimberi> cbx33: interesting process innit?
[02:31] <jsgotangco> do i add myself here?
[02:32] <highvoltage> cbx33: and welcome :)
[02:32] <JaneW> ogra: so are there any more to consider?
[02:32] <LaserJock> quick question. Are the EC by default Edubuntu members?
[02:32] <cbx33> indeed it is
[02:32] <ogra> JaneW, only Arnnstien1 and freeflying are on the list
[02:32] <cbx33> thank you highvoltage 
[02:32] <ogra> LaserJock, yes
[02:33] <highvoltage> ogra: really?
[02:33] <ogra> JaneW, apart from the fact that neither seem to be here, the above i wrote applies at least to freeflying
[02:33] <LaserJock> ogra: and is there an EC LP team?
[02:33] <JaneW> the next EC sitting to consider candidates is Wed 7 June
[02:33] <highvoltage> ogra: as far as i understand, they have exactly the same rights and everything else, although they're not exactly the same in name
[02:33] <JaneW> will we keep it at this time or at 20:00?
[02:33] <ogra> LaserJock, https://launchpad.net/people/edubuntu-members
[02:33] <ogra> yes
[02:33] <ogra> i'll make the rest of the EC team admins after the meeting
[02:34] <ogra> JaneW, we decided to do every second meeting in the evening, didnt we ? 
[02:34] <JaneW> yes we did
[02:34] <ogra> highvoltage, edubuntu-members is a member of ubuntu-members 
[02:34] <LaserJock> JaneW: I suggest a rotation. This meeting started at 0500 for me
[02:34] <JaneW> ah right, sorry I miscalculated, I was thinking it was going to stay day time, it's all good
[02:35] <ogra> so ubuntu-memebership automatically applies
[02:35] <highvoltage> ogra: ok, great
[02:35] <JaneW> ok next EC sitting on 7 June at 20:00UTC
[02:35] <ogra> LaserJock, thats why we said we'd do every second one at 20:00 UTC last week
[02:36] <ogra> can the rest of the EC please apply for membership at https://launchpad.net/people/edubuntu-members, so i can make you admins
[02:36] <bimberi> ogra: you might consider an edbuntu-council (say) LP team as well
[02:36] <JaneW> ogra: done
[02:36] <ogra> bimberi, all admins of the edubuntu-members team are the council
[02:37] <ogra> i dont think we need a separate tem 
[02:37] <ogra> team
[02:37] <JaneW> I agree
[02:37] <jsgotangco> yeah i have too many emblems already
[02:37] <bimberi> yep, just though of that myself as you asked them to apply :)
[02:37] <ogra> emblems !!!
[02:37] <JaneW> this needs a better emblem
[02:37] <ogra> highvoltage, edubuntu-members has no emblem yet !!!
[02:37] <JaneW> it's not even an edubuntu emblem...
[02:37] <LaserJock> ogra: done
[02:37] <highvoltage> ogra: *GASP*
[02:38] <JaneW> highvoltage: cbx33 : next task - emblem!
[02:38] <cbx33> hehehe
[02:38] <LaserJock> what? no emblem? That's it, I'm out ;-)
[02:38] <ogra> yeah
[02:38] <ogra> heh
[02:38] <JaneW> ok we'd better move on
[02:38] <JaneW> ogra: tech update?
[02:38] <ogra> ok, any other EC business ? 
[02:39] <ogra> flint, when will you apply for membership ? 
[02:39] <flint> when invited.
[02:39] <flint> i will consider it.
[02:39] <ogra> flint, thats not how it works 
[02:39] <ogra> you need to apply for it :)
[02:40] <flint> ogra, that is how I work.  in the mean time someone needs to be an advocate.
[02:40] <ogra> same as ubuntu membership :)
[02:40] <flint> I am not an ubuntu member either.
[02:40] <JaneW> flint: it's like politics, you get involved, get noticed, and get in the running
[02:40] <ogra> you'll become one automatically if you apply for edubuntu membership :)
[02:40] <jsgotangco> yeah
[02:41] <JaneW> ogra: hang on a sec, don;t all members need to sign the CoC?
[02:41] <ogra> yep
[02:41] <JaneW> we haven't mentioned that have we?
[02:41] <LaserJock> uh oh
[02:41] <flint> thank you all.  I will consider this and accept this as offered.
[02:41] <bimberi> it's ok, cbx33 has
[02:41] <cbx33> of course I have
[02:41] <jsgotangco> hmm didnt notice cbx33's monster karma
[02:41] <JaneW> cool
[02:42] <cbx33> I submitted hte first bug on 1.0.1 not being signable :p
[02:42] <ogra> JaneW, if the LP page of the people says "Ubuntero: yes" then its fine
[02:42] <cbx33> as fas as I know
[02:42] <ogra> (that means they signed)
[02:42] <cbx33> there are 4 duplicates now :p
[02:42] <cbx33> jsgotangco: I don;t quite know what happened with karma
[02:42] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: yeah, he's go more karma than me :/
[02:42] <JaneW> yikes
[02:42] <jsgotangco> cbx33: you got lots of specs
[02:42] <cbx33> it just kinda happened one day
[02:43] <JaneW> that's it I am not answering e-mail anymore
[02:43] <jsgotangco> 4 of which are edubuntu specs
[02:43] <highvoltage> karma shouldn't count for membership
[02:43] <cbx33> indeed
[02:43] <highvoltage> (not yet anyway)
[02:43] <highvoltage> the karma system is still a bit dodgy :)
[02:43] <cbx33> i don;t think it's enough of an indication
[02:43] <jsgotangco> yeah but 4 edubuntu specs
[02:43] <highvoltage> (no offence to launchpad admins)
[02:43] <JaneW> ok we are running out of time
[02:43] <ogra> yes
[02:43] <cbx33> well, I'm trying, jsgotangco, depends if they are any good
[02:43] <JaneW> highvoltage: don;t worry they know and are working on it :)
[02:43] <cbx33> hehe
[02:44] <ogra> lets move on to normal meeting business
[02:44] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: it's an incentive for people to use a new lp feature ;)
[02:44] <LaserJock> highvoltage: I agree, although having any karam indicates you have done something anyway
[02:44] <highvoltage> LaserJock: yep
[02:44] <JaneW> AFIAK specs have highest karma, then bugs and then translations.
[02:44] <jsgotangco> do we get tech updates?
[02:44] <ogra> so tech update: nothing in particular, flight7 is in preparation as i just heard
[02:44] <JaneW> ogra: bugs?
[02:44] <ogra> most of my recent work was on ubuntu bugs
[02:45] <JaneW> starting to stabilise?
[02:45] <ogra> yes, we have some 
[02:45] <cbx33> I've submitted a few edubuntu bugs or contributed to some already present
[02:45] <JaneW> 4 weeks to go
[02:45] <ogra> there is that ldm bug that makes ltsp boot into console which needs fixage
[02:45] <ogra> all other bugs a re rather minor
[02:45] <ogra> (wrt edubuntu)
[02:45] <LaserJock> uggh, I've got a couple squeak bugs I might be able to take care of
[02:45] <cbx33> printing is an issue I think
[02:46] <cbx33> depends on how everyone else feels about its importance
[02:46] <lifeless> JaneW: IIRC the karma is balanced : each section contributes to the total karma equally.
[02:47] <LaserJock> cbx33: what is wrong with printing?
[02:47] <lifeless> JaneW: but, because there is less history in the system for specs, actions there have a higher amount of value at the moment, this will balance out over time
[02:47] <ogra> cbx33, printing ? 
[02:47] <JaneW> lifeless: oic
[02:47] <cbx33> LaserJock: I can't add a printer on the live cd
[02:47] <JaneW> lifeless: thanks
[02:47] <ogra> cbx33, thats no edubuntu bug
[02:47] <cbx33> ah sorry ogra 
[02:48] <ogra> cbx33, thats rather general ubuntu/cups breakage
[02:48] <cbx33> though we were talking about all bugs affecting edubuntu
[02:48] <jsgotangco> that's cups its known
[02:48] <ogra> (should be adressed indeed)
[02:48] <cbx33> my apologies ogra 
[02:48] <cbx33> can we put pressue on it all
[02:48] <ogra> cbx33, we wont release with a completely broken cups :)
[02:49] <cbx33> phew :p
[02:49] <ogra> if you filed a bug, it should be addressed by pitti
[02:49] <jsgotangco> its been on -devel discussion for a weeks
[02:49] <cbx33> yeh it's alredy being addressed
[02:49] <LaserJock> do we have any mechanism for seperating Edubuntu and Ubuntu bugs? Or is it just ogra weeding his way through the vast fields of bug reports?
[02:49] <ogra> LaserJock, we have the edubuntu-bugs team
[02:49] <cbx33> I'm trying to search through when i get a sec and reassign them
[02:49] <ogra> all new edubuntu specific bugs should get assigned to it
[02:50] <cbx33> I think on LP it would be nice to include the assignee in a list
[02:50] <ogra> that includes edu apps we include or breakage of the metapackages -docs -artwork -meta
[02:50] <ogra> (everything that differs to ubuntu)
[02:50] <LaserJock> ogra: do you have a feeling for how many bugs, percentage wise, are Edubuntu specific?
[02:50] <cbx33> ogra: do we have a definitie list of that somewhere
[02:50] <ogra> i know that we have less than 20 bugs 
[02:51] <ogra> (that are edubuntu specific)
[02:51] <ogra> cbx33, nope, not yet
[02:51] <LaserJock> ogra: cool, better than MOTU Science at the moment
[02:51] <ogra> the bugsquad knows about the edubuntu-bugs team 
[02:51] <ogra> so future assignements should go to that team
[02:52] <ogra> also if you talk to people in #edubuntu that want to file a bug, please advise them to assign it to the team
[02:52] <cbx33> will do
[02:52] <ogra> other tech stuff ? 
[02:52] <jsgotangco> yeah
[02:52] <highvoltage> ogra: kind of
[02:52] <ogra> shoot
[02:53] <ogra> (in order please)
[02:53] <ogra> jsgotangco, ?
[02:53] <jsgotangco> too bad we're frozen at the moment for flight 7 but we already have a yelp page and a firefox startpage
[02:53] <LaserJock> ogra: have you considered making edubuntu-bugs the inital bug contact for Edubunt packages?
[02:53] <ogra> jsgotangco, isnt that doc stuff ? 
[02:53] <LaserJock> oh, sorry jsgotangco
[02:53] <jsgotangco> ogra: oh sorry
[02:53] <ogra> (later on the agenda anyway)
[02:53] <jsgotangco> :P
[02:54] <JaneW> we have 8 mins so better speed things up
[02:54] <highvoltage> right
[02:54] <ogra> LaserJock, yes, we should at least subscribe edubuntu-bugs to all packages, i havent gotten around to do that yet
[02:54] <highvoltage> ogra: i added a little spec to the add-on cd we discussed: https://launchpad.net/products/edubuntu-addon-cd
[02:54] <ogra> highvoltage, you had something ? 
[02:54] <ogra> ah, nice 
[02:54] <JaneW> can we do docs now?
[02:54] <highvoltage> ogra: i will flesh it out a bit more over the following week
[02:54] <cbx33> hehe
[02:54] <ogra> but thats rather eft stuff 
[02:54] <cbx33> heeh
[02:54] <cbx33> the add-on cd is a great idea
[02:55] <highvoltage> ogra: yes, it's eft stuff, so we'll talk about that on #edubuntu then
[02:55] <ogra> lets stic to dapper for that meeting 
[02:55] <highvoltage> JaneW: ok, docs it is then
[02:56] <JaneW> k
[02:56] <JaneW> jsgotangco: hit it
[02:56] <jsgotangco> We're frozen at the moment for flight 7 but we already have a yelp page and a firefox startpage
[02:56] <jsgotangco> but with so close to release, should we even consider opening up the firefox hompeage for translation
[02:56] <cbx33> hmmm
[02:56] <jsgotangco> localisation of firefox is *quite* complicated
[02:57] <JaneW> jsgotangco: what's your call on it?
[02:57] <jsgotangco> im not sure if ogra_ is familiar with it
[02:57] <JaneW> jsgotangco: is it worth attempting?
[02:57] <highvoltage> on documentation, if someone wants to work on a 'getting started with lab administration' section for the getting started guide, that would be great.
[02:57] <ogra_> i'm a slacker and didnt include them in edubuntu-docs yet :)
[02:57] <highvoltage> even if it's something simple like adding users and managing users/groups.
[02:57] <ogra_> sorry for the disconnect
[02:58] <jsgotangco> JaneW: im not familiar with it at all, Diziet made a wiki page, but it made my brain fizzle
[02:58] <JaneW> jsgotangco: :/
[02:58] <ogra_> jsgotangco, thats my job to sort the technical side
[02:58] <jsgotangco> although the start page is just 4 or 5 sentences
[02:58] <JaneW> jsgotangco: we can;t do anything risky and cause instability, we'll be lynched
[02:58] <ogra_> i'll sort it with Diziet
[02:58] <JaneW> or worse
[02:59] <jsgotangco> if we could finalise the page and make amendments, we can open up translation of the firefox page at least
[02:59] <highvoltage> ogra: perhaps not strictly doc, but will firefox have links to schooltool/schoolbell, or will he have it in the start page at least?
[02:59] <jsgotangco> no need for rosetta, just send in the same html page would do
[02:59] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: it should really
[02:59] <cbx33> school advocacy doc is growing big, anyone that want to contribute would be welcome https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuSchoolAdvocacy/Planning
[02:59] <ogra_> jsgotangco, did you add that ?
[02:59] <jsgotangco> i was thinking of directly linking from the upper right of the page
[02:59] <jsgotangco> ogra_: no not yet, i was waiting for you
[03:00] <cbx33> jsgotangco: moodle too?
[03:00] <highvoltage> JaneW: that would be nice
[03:00] <ogra_> nope
[03:00] <ogra_> cbx33, sabdfl wants to go for LAMS
[03:00] <LaserJock> sorry, I'm still new. Is there a Edubuntu doc repo? I've seen some stuff in the doc team repo but I don't think that is all of it.
[03:00] <cbx33> ah ok
[03:00] <ogra_> which is far beyond moodle
[03:00] <cbx33> never used it
[03:00] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: its our own svn too
[03:00] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: im the only one using it
[03:00] <flint> ogra, what is LAMS?
[03:00] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: ah, ok
[03:01] <cbx33> got a link ogra ?
[03:01] <jsgotangco> LAMS should be good
[03:01] <LaserJock> cbx33: google probably does ;-)
[03:01] <cbx33> :p
[03:01] <ogra_> lamsfoundation.org
[03:01] <flint> cool
[03:02] <highvoltage> nice
[03:02] <jsgotangco> it needs java though no?
[03:02] <flint> ogra, the schooltool gang will be less than thrilled with LAMS eh?
[03:02] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: can you possibly create a wiki page for how to access edubuntu repro, and how to get documents from it?
[03:02] <Bluekuja> highvoltage: there are news from the drupal translation?
[03:03] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: sure its not really much to look at though, its basically the docteam repo in trunk
[03:03] <ogra_> highvoltage++
[03:03] <highvoltage> Bluekuja: yes, it's not currently supported, although Hedgemadge has a friend who's working on some php code that could provide a solution
[03:03] <cbx33> nice
[03:03] <highvoltage> Bluekuja: but in the meantime, nothing stops us from doing manual translations
[03:03] <Bluekuja> highvoltage: great, it would be really nice to have a translated page in the edubuntu website
[03:04] <cbx33> are we over time?
[03:04] <JaneW> yes
[03:04] <ogra_> you can, indeed
[03:04] <JaneW> ok, last words
[03:04] <highvoltage> Bluekuja: yep, i suggest you start translating existing pages alread
[03:04] <JaneW> artwork seems to be starting to come together
[03:04] <Bluekuja> highvoltage: ok, where i can find them?
[03:04] <ogra_> yeah
[03:04] <cbx33> lisa's hard at work
[03:04] <JaneW> and we have seen some nice first drafts of ideas from cbx33 's wife
[03:04] <Bluekuja> highvoltage: drupal website?
[03:04] <ogra_> we had some new proposals from the marketing
[03:04] <LaserJock> any status change on the Win95 clone?
[03:04] <JaneW> please thanks lisa for those
[03:04] <highvoltage> on artwork, https://wiki.edubuntu.org/JonathanCarter/emblem <-- ECC emblem :)
[03:04] <cbx33> I will
[03:05] <ogra_> seems we have no say about the chalkboard 
[03:05] <Bluekuja> nice one highvoltage
[03:05] <Bluekuja> hehe
[03:05] <JaneW> highvoltage: nice, but make it ec
[03:05] <highvoltage> ogra_: OMG
[03:05] <cbx33> ogra_: but we're trying t provide alternatives
[03:05] <JaneW> else it's hard to distinguish
[03:05] <ogra_> so the dapper release will have a chalkboard wallpaper and all other elements will get adjusted accordingly
[03:05] <highvoltage> JaneW: ok
[03:05] <cbx33> ogra_: that's insane
[03:05] <ogra_> cbx33, no go ...
[03:05] <JaneW> yes our default wall paper will be chalkboard themed, it is being improved
[03:06] <ogra_> we'll include lisas wallpaper in any case
[03:06] <JaneW> and we want to add some ROCKING alternatives
[03:06] <ogra_> but it wont be the default theme
[03:06] <JaneW> and then make sure everone switches to that :)
[03:06] <LaserJock> ogra_: so what about the color scheme? will it be no longer orange?
[03:06] <ogra_> eah
[03:06] <ogra_> LaserJock, it never was orange :)
[03:06] <cbx33> ogra: I can't believe we're being forced on this
[03:06] <cbx33> mustard :p
[03:06] <jsgotangco> will it blend with red?
[03:06] <ogra_> we have a dark bordeaux
[03:07] <JaneW> cbx33: no it's drak green (chalkboard colour)
[03:07] <LaserJock> ogra_: well, whatever. I'm terrible with colors (just ask my wife)
[03:07] <JaneW> drak=dark
[03:07] <ogra_> i'm working with the new wallpaper as background currently, and the red somewhat "works" 
[03:07] <ogra_> but i'll see what the design agency proposes
[03:07] <jsgotangco> hrmmm
[03:07] <cbx33> :p
[03:07] <kjcole> ogra_: oh you and your European spellings: It's spelled border. ;-)  (Showing my hick 'merican ways.)
[03:08] <ogra_> :)+
[03:08] <cbx33> is that a dodgy goaty :
[03:08] <JaneW> kjcole: tsk
[03:08] <jsgotangco> i gotta go downstairs first for late dinner
[03:08] <jsgotangco> anything else for me?
[03:08] <highvoltage> ogra_: dark bordeax? not windows 95 teal? ;)
[03:08] <JaneW> maroon, or burgandy are easier to spell
[03:09] <JaneW> highvoltage: teal is blue/green!
[03:09] <jsgotangco> brb
[03:09] <cbx33> jsgotangco: expect docs soon :p
[03:09] <kjcole> university president.  See news reports.
[03:09] <ogra_> highvoltage, the design agency will propse the default window border colors and i'll have to adjust the theme
[03:09] <highvoltage> JaneW: sorry, i was thinking about the chalkboard color
[03:09] <ogra_> anyway, i have to leave
[03:09] <cbx33> see ya later ogra_ 
[03:10] <cbx33> and thank you
[03:10] <highvoltage> cheers ogra_ 
[03:10] <JaneW> highvoltage: ok
[03:10] <kjcole> Oops.  I said "Sorry to have been late -- and quiet.  Chaos and minor revolt concerning an unpopular choice of president for Gallaudet.  See news reports.
[03:10] <Kamion> JaneW: "burgundy" ;-)
[03:10] <highvoltage> JaneW: can you hit your hammer to adjourne the meeting?
[03:10] <ogra_> feel free to go on, xubuntu starts in 20 min :)
[03:11] <LaserJock> hmm, well this has been a lot shorter than CC meetings ;-)
[03:11] <JaneW> Kamion: yes, that's the one
[03:11] <JaneW> ok meeting adjourned
[03:11] <JaneW> thanks everyone
[03:11] <highvoltage> thanks!
[03:11] <JaneW> back to #edubuntu
[03:11] <kjcole> Ta-ta
[03:14] <JaneW> FYI I updated the agenda
[03:14] <LaserJock> JaneW: great
[03:15] <cbx33> thanks JaneW 
[03:35] <nomed> hi all
[03:35] <jsgotangco> hi
[03:36] <janimo> hi all
[03:37] <freeflying> hi all
[03:37] <nomed> agenda ?
[03:37] <nomed> i hadn't the time to write down anything :(
[03:38] <janimo> no agenda as usual :)
[03:38] <jsgotangco> heh
[03:38] <janimo> we can talk about anything
[03:38] <janimo> like current status
[03:38] <janimo> or whatever comes up
[03:38] <jsgotangco> is flight 7 being baked for xubuntu?
[03:38] <nomed> janimo, ok
[03:39] <nomed> i can explain the current status of the icon theme
[03:39] <nomed> that i would see on next release if possible
[03:39] <nomed> but i guess i'm in late
[03:40] <nomed> i still didn't send the patch as i would get more feedbacks by xfce upstreamers
[03:40] <janimo> nomed, xfce upstream seems positive about it.
[03:40] <janimo> did you get in contact with tango?
[03:40] <nomed> as there is something that should be fixed
[03:40] <janimo> jsgotangco: yes tomorrow is flight 7
[03:40] <nomed> janimo, dobey is waiting
[03:40] <janimo> just found out :)
[03:40] <janimo> nomed: waiting for what?
[03:40] <nomed> i send the patch
[03:41] <nomed> but i asked to upstreamer to change some desktop files
[03:41] <janimo> oh, so you're waiting for him? 
[03:41] <nomed> no answers about that
[03:41] <nomed> solution:
[03:41] <nomed> or add not-needed icons name to xl file
[03:41] <nomed> and i do not like it very much
[03:41] <nomed> or patch desktop files
[03:41] <nomed> and i do not like it very much
[03:42] <nomed> no reason for having xfce4-settings and xfce-settings-show
[03:43] <nomed> same icon ...
[03:43] <nomed> different name
[03:43] <nomed> same app
[03:43] <nomed> one is used within the desktop file the other within the menu
[03:45] <nomed> janimo, same for xfprint and xfce4-printer
[03:45] <nomed> and some others
[03:45] <janimo> I remember that part of your mail upstream
[03:45] <janimo> I guess you could sent a patch to xfce bugzilla for it
[03:45] <janimo> they should apply it
[03:45] <janimo> I'd not like to patch our packages too much if it can be done via upstream
[03:46] <janimo> although xfprint author is busy nowadays
[03:46] <nomed> janimo, absolutely yes
[03:46] <nomed> ok i'll do that
[03:46] <janimo> nomed: ok thanks
[03:46] <nomed> i'll send patches over bugzilla
[03:46] <janimo> it should not be too many sources referencing those icons
[03:46] <janimo> maybe only .desktop files
[03:46] <nomed> yes
[03:46] <janimo> ok make sure it's against svn trunk
[03:47] <janimo> since we are not quite the same
[03:47] <nomed> but i 'm goinging to choose icon naming entries for them
[03:47] <janimo> very close but not up to date
[03:47] <janimo> sure
[03:47] <nomed> it would be nice to have some serious feedbacks
[03:47] <nomed> anyway they told me they 'll trust
[03:47] <nomed> and i do not wait anymore
[03:47] <janimo> yes
[03:48] <nomed> then ...
[03:48] <janimo> right the sooner the more chances we have to get them in by dapper
[03:48] <nomed> for the xfce-settings-show panel|dialog or whatever you want to call it :)
[03:48] <nomed> we need to choose a gtk2-theme for xubuntu
[03:49] <nomed> and add gtk-icon-theme="Tango"
[03:49] <nomed> or Tango-xfce or Xubuntu-icons
[03:49] <nomed> or the gtk theme icons will not show up
[03:50] <janimo> how does that app differ from the rest that it has these errors?
[03:50] <nomed> it loads first icons
[03:50] <janimo> what does it have to do with the gtk2-them?
[03:50] <janimo> ah, hardcoded icons?
[03:50] <nomed> more or less
[03:50] <nomed> janimo, i didn't check the code
[03:51] <nomed> but i've had the impression that there is something wrong on the sequence
[03:51] <janimo> so does the code need to be changed (in principle) to use a specific gtk2-theme?
[03:51] <nomed> janimo, not really
[03:51] <janimo> I wonder how xfce devs handle this since they use othere gtk/icon themes too
[03:51] <nomed> you can just add gtk-icon-theme="Foo"
[03:51] <nomed> to the $HOME/gtkrc-2.0
[03:51] <janimo> in the .desktop ?
[03:51] <janimo> we cannot add stuff  to $HOME
[03:51] <nomed> or gtkrc
[03:52] <janimo> the most we can to is add default configs to /etc/xdg
[03:52] <nomed> janimo, yes
[03:52] <janimo> which we already do for gtk and icons theme
[03:52] <janimo> clearlooks+tango
[03:52] <nomed> that's why i told you we should choose a gtk2-theme
[03:52] <nomed> then to that file
[03:52] <nomed> "gtkrc"
[03:52] <janimo> if that apps disregards these settings it need to be fixed by another approach
[03:53] <nomed> we echo gtk-theme-icon=Tango
[03:53] <janimo> but we should not create stuff in $HOME
[03:53] <janimo> that's against  the rules
[03:53] <nomed> janimo, can't we have a gtkrc theme for xubuntu ?
[03:54] <janimo> nomed sure
[03:54] <nomed> a debian native pkge ?
[03:54] <janimo> but not put in home
[03:54] <nomed> janimo, or or :)
[03:54] <janimo> well is that different than the gtk engine?
[03:54] <nomed> or in $HOME/gtkrc-2.0
[03:54] <janimo> we have gtk2-engines-xfce already
[03:54] <nomed> or in /usr/share/themes/Xubuntu/gtk-2.0/gtkrc
[03:55] <janimo> nomed, packages MUST NOT touch stuff in $HOME :)
[03:55] <nomed> janimo, ok :D
[03:55] <janimo> the second is ok
[03:55] <nomed> so /usr/share/themes/Xubuntu/gtk-2.0/gtkrc
[03:55] <janimo> but I wonder if the default theme does not do that alreday
[03:55] <nomed> i was just explaining all the solutions :)
[03:55] <nomed> janimo, no
[03:55] <nomed> it always uses Rodent icons
[03:56] <nomed> even if they do not really exist
[03:56] <janimo> dpkg -L gtk2-engines-xfce
[03:56] <nomed> more then hardcoded
[03:56] <janimo> there are plenty of gtkrc files there
[03:56] <nomed> janimo, we'll do that just for xubuntu theme
[03:56] <janimo> but none is the default rigth now
[03:56] <nomed> and we'll explain how to have it working on other themes
[03:56] <janimo> but the ubuntu theme is clearlooks now do you mean we change it?
[03:57] <nomed> if we can't find a way to patch xfce-mcs-plugins
[03:57] <janimo> I am still a bit confused by the difference between gtk engines and themes though
[03:57] <nomed> janimo, ehhehe
[03:57] <nomed> yep
[03:57] <nomed> we'll not touch the engine
[03:57] <nomed> just the theme
[03:57] <janimo> the engines is code which comes with some themes which add soem touch to it
[03:57] <janimo> eight?
[03:57] <janimo> right?
[03:58] <nomed> the engine is what the gtkrc uses 
[03:58] <nomed> within gtkrc you set colors for ex
[03:58] <janimo> so we have the clearlooks theme set by default which I assume uses the clearlooks engine
[03:58] <nomed> yes
[03:58] <nomed> not the ubuntulook one
[03:58] <janimo> indeed
[03:59] <nomed> janimo, what you have to check is
[03:59] <janimo> so we can patch one of the gtk2-engines-xfce themes to use the clearlooks engine
[03:59] <nomed>  /usr/share/themes/
[03:59] <janimo> and tweak it to whatever it takes to get the icons right
[03:59] <nomed> janimo, nhaa
[03:59] <nomed> wait
[04:00] <nomed> gtkrc file is what is called gtk2-theme-foo
[04:00] <janimo> indeed
[04:00] <nomed> that depends on gtk2-engine
[04:00] <nomed> we can for ex
[04:00] <nomed> momdify  ubuntulooks gtkrc file
[04:00] <nomed> the ubuntu default theme
[04:00] <nomed> in a way it'll use the colors we like
[04:00] <nomed> and add to it
[04:01] <nomed> gtk-icon-theme="Tango"
[04:01] <janimo> you dont't mean modify but copy and modify right? :)
[04:01] <nomed> yes
[04:01] <nomed> :)
[04:01] <janimo> is the icon-theme part of the gtkrc??
[04:02] <nomed> janimo, anyway it would be nice if source could be patched
[04:02] <nomed> xfce source of xfce-settings-show
[04:02] <janimo> nomed, if upstream does not answer shortly I'll look at the source
[04:02] <nomed> so icon-theme doesn't need to be part of gtkrc file
[04:02] <janimo> I tmay be rodent is hardcoded and that's all
[04:03] <nomed> janimo, i see benny is cleaning stuff
[04:03] <janimo> we have another bug (again) preferred applictaions do not have a mcs entry icon
[04:03] <janimo> it used to work once
[04:03] <nomed> i hope he'll find the time to check it
[04:09] <janimo> anyhtng else to discuss?
[04:09] <janimo> questions?
[04:09] <janimo> does anyone use xubuntu here with non-english locale?
[04:10] <janimo> if so is there anything that can be improved in this regard?
[04:14] <_sHaDe> chi usa evolution di voi?
[04:16] <janimo> _sHaDe: /join #ubuntu
[04:16] <_sHaDe> ?
[04:16] <_sHaDe> sorry :)
[04:16] <janimo> use the #ubuntu channel for user request :)
[04:24] <nomed> umm ... 
[04:25] <nomed> janimo, is it fine for u if i patch ubuntu pckges .. <-- could u read this ?
[04:25] <janimo> nope
[04:25] <nomed> i was talking alone
[04:25] <nomed> :)
[04:25] <janimo> did not see any movement in the past 20 minutes
[04:25] <janimo> :)
[04:26] <nomed> yes .. i was  talking with me :D
[04:27] <nomed> http://phpfi.com/115896
[04:31] <janimo> nomed, just bugzilla patches firts
[04:31] <janimo> then I'll upload as they apply them
[04:31] <janimo> as for orage plugin the panel I agree
[04:32] <janimo> in the panel I mean
[04:32] <janimo> I don;t think I changed anything in the mcs -lugins package but I'll check
[04:33] <janimo> nomed, I think the exec is ok there since it will mostly be called from the menu not directly from cmdline
[04:33] <janimo> so /usr/lib is ok imho
[04:34] <janimo> wait.
[04:34] <janimo> upstream and us both install in /usr/bin
[04:34] <nomed> janimo, dpkg -L orage | grep orage_plugin ?
[04:35] <nomed> is it ok ?
[04:35] <janimo> you mean a and .la?
[04:35] <janimo> I have to delete those
[04:35] <janimo> or something else?
[04:37] <janimo> nomed, can you mail me these concerns?
[04:37] <janimo> need to go away for a while
[04:37] <janimo> thanks
[09:00] <zul_> @schedule Montreal
[09:00] <Ubugtu> Schedule for America/Montreal: 03 May 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 09 May 16:00: Technical Board | 10 May 08:00: Edubuntu | 10 May 09:30: Xubuntu | 11 May 04:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 17 May 08:00: Edubuntu
[11:47] <Spee_Der> Greetings to all.