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| theCore | is there any special way to deal with packages that uses SCons? | 12:12 |
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| dholbach | good night everybody | 12:51 |
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| bddebian | Heya gang | 01:54 |
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| tseng | hi bddebian | 01:55 |
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| bddebian | Wow, 2 tsengs :-) | 01:56 |
| tseng | i would rather bs with you here | 01:57 |
| tseng | than in #u-d | 01:57 |
| bddebian | Heh | 01:57 |
| tseng | dont wake the mdz | 01:57 |
| LaserJock | hi bddebian and tseng | 01:57 |
| tseng | hi | 01:57 |
| bddebian | I didn't thing you bs'd? :-) | 01:57 |
| LaserJock | tseng: what about the elmo? | 01:58 |
| bddebian | Heya LaserJock | 01:58 |
| tseng | LaserJock: the elmo is more bark than bite | 01:58 |
| tseng | but one scary bark | 01:58 |
| tseng | i dont recommend throwing things at him | 01:58 |
| tseng | or taking his picture | 01:58 |
| tseng | both a good way to get a big red beat down | 01:59 |
| LaserJock | yeah, I've seen a couple pictures where he expressed his view on taking pictures :-) | 01:59 |
| tseng | i took mdz's picture | 01:59 |
| tseng | and he hit me in the head with mentos | 01:59 |
| LaserJock | hmm, physically abusive | 01:59 |
| tseng | not really | 02:00 |
| LaserJock | elmo only seems emotionaly abusive ;-) | 02:00 |
| bddebian | I thought all you commie hippies were anti-violence? ;-P | 02:00 |
| tseng | mentos were thrown non-stop at udu | 02:00 |
| tseng | daniels and i are little kids | 02:00 |
| LaserJock | tseng: so it was group abuse? hmmm | 02:00 |
| tseng | well there was a room called Vibe (the fuck) Out | 02:01 |
| tseng | where most of the throwing things happened | 02:01 |
| tseng | at thom | 02:01 |
| LaserJock | hmm, and I was thinking of going to Paris. Maybe I'd have to bring defensive weapons and plenty of mentos | 02:04 |
| LaserJock | but I don't think I have money for it actually. Paris is still pretty expensive to fly to for me. If it was in Vegas I'd be set | 02:06 |
| tseng | in sydney the hotel put out the menthos | 02:06 |
| tseng | mentos | 02:06 |
| LaserJock | heh | 02:07 |
| LaserJock | and did they have to clean them up? | 02:07 |
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| hub | LaserJock: what's wrong with Paris? | 02:34 |
| tseng | LaserJock: yeah they did | 02:35 |
| tseng | LaserJock: and refill them | 02:35 |
| bddebian | hub: It's full of French people? ;-P | 02:35 |
| hub | bddebian: yeah, I prefer Paris in August for that sole reason | 02:35 |
| bddebian | ? | 02:35 |
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| hub | bddebian: August is the month of the year were most of french people leave for vacations | 02:36 |
| bddebian | Oh, hehe | 02:36 |
| hub | bddebian: so Paris is a desert populated by tourists | 02:36 |
| hub | July is not bad either | 02:36 |
| FunnyLookinHat | Paris sucks. | 02:36 |
| FunnyLookinHat | ^_^;; | 02:36 |
| LaserJock | hub: I'd just like it to be closer so it wasn't so expensive. | 02:37 |
| hub | LaserJock: closer to what? | 02:37 |
| LaserJock | hub: me | 02:38 |
| hub | LaserJock: still does not tell me | 02:38 |
| LaserJock | Nevada, USA | 02:38 |
| hub | ah | 02:38 |
| tseng | i cant go to Paris | 02:39 |
| hub | well for me Paris is closer, not in distance | 02:39 |
| tseng | i am going to Spain the next week | 02:39 |
| tseng | i dont have that much vacation time | 02:39 |
| hub | btw, what is in Paris? | 02:39 |
| tseng | hub: next ubuntu conf | 02:39 |
| hub | oh | 02:39 |
| tseng | hub: the week before guadec | 02:39 |
| hub | no shit | 02:39 |
| tseng | yeah | 02:39 |
| hub | will be a no for me | 02:39 |
| hub | even if I could have free room | 02:39 |
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| hub | but Ubuntu Conf is not gonna happen | 02:42 |
| hub | as 1/ I'm already scheduled for GUadec, 2/ I don't see my employer letting me go | 02:42 |
| tseng | hub: same here | 02:43 |
| tseng | ubuntu conf is boring anyway | 02:43 |
| tseng | such a hectic schedule | 02:43 |
| hub | tseng: it is to get work done | 02:43 |
| tseng | i know | 02:43 |
| tseng | but you get tired of it after a few days | 02:44 |
| hub | tseng: I was at the last one | 02:44 |
| hub | all week | 02:44 |
| hub | I had nothing else to do | 02:44 |
| tseng | yeah | 02:44 |
| tseng | you were in your own country | 02:44 |
| hub | tseng: Paris is my own country | 02:44 |
| hub | Montreal was my place of unemployment | 02:45 |
| tseng | ok | 02:45 |
| tseng | do you still live in canada? | 02:45 |
| hub | yeah | 02:45 |
| hub | near Ottawa | 02:45 |
| hub | I work for a canadian Linux vendor | 02:45 |
| hub | not hard to guess which one | 02:46 |
| tseng | i know | 02:46 |
| LaserJock | I guess I should have gone to UBZ, it might be my best chance for a while | 02:46 |
| LaserJock | maybe Mexico will be next | 02:46 |
| LaserJock | that I could probably do | 02:46 |
| hub | LaserJock: distance is not the biggest problem | 02:47 |
| hub | fortunately it is not in the US | 02:47 |
| LaserJock | I still think Las Vegas would be cool | 02:47 |
| hub | LaserJock: uncool | 02:47 |
| tseng | LaserJock half of canonical hates the US | 02:47 |
| hub | lot of people would not be able to come | 02:47 |
| tseng | LaserJock: so good luck | 02:47 |
| hub | tseng: including me | 02:47 |
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| LaserJock | I know, I just wish they could get past it for 1 conference :-) | 02:48 |
| hub | LaserJock: why don;t you come? | 02:48 |
| hub | most off the countries haven't had the balls to be strict with US tourists | 02:49 |
| hub | unlike Bush is doing | 02:49 |
| LaserJock | well, it is expensive to fly | 02:49 |
| hub | LaserJock: it is more expensive to get the right to enter your country | 02:49 |
| hub | flying to france is not expensive | 02:49 |
| hub | it cost me CAD$900 last time | 02:49 |
| LaserJock | something like $1000 USD | 02:49 |
| LaserJock | I'd really have to save for it | 02:50 |
| hub | the is what lot of people have to pay to even have the right to submit a visa application | 02:50 |
| bddebian | tseng: 1/2? I think like 90% of "Free Software" folks hate the US | 02:51 |
| tseng | bddebian: thats because they are a bunch of pinko commies | 02:51 |
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| bddebian | tseng: EXACTLY :-) | 02:52 |
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| LaserJock | I love the US but I can see where it is difficult for people why aren't from here | 02:52 |
| hub | bddebian: there are still some in the US | 02:52 |
| hub | bddebian: before they get arrested for communism in a big witch hunt | 02:52 |
| nictuku | hi! | 02:52 |
| hub | LaserJock: the problem is more the regime | 02:53 |
| tseng | wow ok, a 40 year old political scandal | 02:53 |
| LaserJock | hub: well, I like it too, but I won't go there ;-) | 02:53 |
| hub | LaserJock: then blame yourself | 02:54 |
| ajmitch | afternoon | 02:54 |
| hub | hey ajmitch | 02:54 |
| LaserJock | hub: hehe, alright. I'll just have to save up the money | 02:55 |
| LaserJock | hi ajmitch | 02:55 |
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| polpak | Anyone awake? ;p | 02:55 |
| ajmitch | no | 02:55 |
| polpak | damn =p | 02:55 |
| LaserJock | all asleep here | 02:55 |
| polpak | Just curious, but why is the python2.4-ctypes package so old? | 02:55 |
| hub | polpak: not asleep let | 02:56 |
| polpak | in dapper even | 02:56 |
| bddebian | Heya ajmitch | 02:56 |
| LaserJock | polpak: is it that old? | 02:57 |
| ajmitch | polpak: because upstream version freeze was in january | 02:57 |
| bddebian | Hmm, should I look at bugs tonight... | 02:57 |
| LaserJock | nah, just hang out and BS with us slackers ;-) | 02:57 |
| polpak | ajmitch, ah.. gotcha | 02:58 |
| bddebian | LaserJock: :-) | 02:58 |
| polpak | ajmitch, there was just a big jump in version numbers in feb | 02:58 |
| polpak | ajmitch, sorry for the confusion =) | 02:58 |
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| infinity | Does anyone give enough of a damn about vpopmail/libvpopmail-perl/php4-vpopmail/qmailadmin to fix them up so that they're buildable, installable, and not RC buggy? | 03:33 |
| ajmitch | infinity: they sound scary | 03:40 |
| infinity | They also appear to be mostly unmaintained in Debian (no uploads for ages, no reponse to RC bugs), so I'm inclined to just drop them entirely. | 03:42 |
| bddebian | infinity: What are you doing in here? :) | 03:42 |
| ajmitch | giving us more work, of course | 03:43 |
| Toadstool | 'night | 03:43 |
| infinity | bddebian: Trying to get MOTUs to either fix multiverse or tell me to remove stuff from the archive, that's what. :) | 03:43 |
| bddebian | ajmitch: :-) | 03:43 |
| ajmitch | yeah, 3 RC bugs against vpopmail, 2 years since last upload | 03:43 |
| ajmitch | messy | 03:43 |
| bddebian | Hmm, I guess I could take a look but I'd vote for removal | 03:43 |
| ajmitch | security bugs included | 03:43 |
| infinity | ajmitch: And in my experience trying to install it just now, those 3 RC bugsa aren't comprehensive. I could file another 2 or 3 based on a 30-second audit. | 03:44 |
| ajmitch | I'd remove it rather than having to spend time getting it up to par | 03:44 |
| infinity | Anyhow, I figured maybe someone here was enough of a qmail nut to want to fix them up and make them work. | 03:44 |
| infinity | If not, I'm happy to drop them. | 03:44 |
| === infinity uses exim and postfix, so has no iterest in fixing qmail-related junk. | ||
| hub | infinity: I hate qmail | 03:45 |
| === ajmitch only uses exim here | ||
| hub | infinity: because it is not free, it developer is not even open to anything and because qmail is buggy | 03:45 |
| === hub only uses Postfix | ||
| === bddebian uses neither | ||
| infinity | hub: I'm not looking for anti-qmail sentiments. I know all the arguments. :) | 03:46 |
| ajmitch | I really should fix my debian RC bugs | 03:46 |
| bddebian | infinity: Drop them | 03:46 |
| === bddebian makes executive decision | ||
| infinity | bddebian: sendmail? smail? nullmailer? :) | 03:46 |
| === infinity finds the latter particularly effective for dealing with his bug backlog. | ||
| bddebian | Outlook express :-) | 03:47 |
| infinity | ajmitch: So, am I just completely retarded? I never knew until I just looked you up RIGHT NOW that you're a DD. | 03:47 |
| ajmitch | infinity: I've only been a DD for a bit over a year | 03:47 |
| infinity | ajmitch: And you maintain a PHP application... You must despise me. | 03:48 |
| infinity | (Or, perhaps, I despise you...) | 03:48 |
| ajmitch | or I despise it | 03:48 |
| bddebian | heh | 03:48 |
| === infinity finds that every DD who maintains something PHPish generally has a gripe with him. | ||
| infinity | Doesn't help that I never got around to publishing the PHP policy that I keep smacking people with. | 03:49 |
| === infinity <--- slacker. | ||
| infinity | ajmitch: Hrm. Were you always the pnet maintainer? | 03:50 |
| ajmitch | yes | 03:50 |
| infinity | Oh, then I guess we probably crossed paths long before I joined Ubuntu. | 03:50 |
| ajmitch | you actually know of it? | 03:50 |
| ajmitch | surprising | 03:50 |
| infinity | I vaguely recall making some promises to help bootstrap it on m68k, then completely forgetting about it until, uhm, today. | 03:50 |
| ajmitch | ah yes | 03:50 |
| ajmitch | I remember that now | 03:50 |
| === infinity really should find a weekend to port both pnet and mono to m68k. | ||
| ajmitch | pnet ought to be easy | 03:52 |
| === infinity really should find a weekend that's not dedicated to work. | ||
| infinity | Yeah, pnet doesn't look as scary as mono. | 03:52 |
| === ajmitch should just find a machine to do the porting work on & find the motivation to do it | ||
| infinity | ajmitch: Well, as a DD, you have access to crest. If you need anything installed in the sid chroot there, let me know. | 03:52 |
| ajmitch | alright | 03:53 |
| ajmitch | the 2nd part is the hardest | 03:53 |
| infinity | Motivation is a killer for me too these days. :/ | 03:53 |
| infinity | My recent Debian upload record isn't exactly stellar. I think working on Ubuntu all day kinda kills any motivation to do EXACTLY THE SAME THING in my dwindling spare time. | 03:56 |
| === bddebian whips out the catlle prod | ||
| bddebian | Err cattle even | 03:56 |
| LaserJock | bddebian: the electric kind? | 03:57 |
| ajmitch | I suspect so | 03:57 |
| LaserJock | the electric ones work pretty well, but a good ole' 2x4 can do the job as well | 03:58 |
| bddebian | heh | 03:58 |
| ajmitch | I find beer works better for motivation | 03:58 |
| === bddebian hands infinity a 6 pack and points him at ivtools | ||
| LaserJock | oh, I was talking about cattle ;-) | 03:59 |
| ajmitch | I'm sure infinity didn't move to .au for the beer.. | 03:59 |
| LaserJock | never tried beer on a cow before but I suspect it wouldn't work as well as on a Linux dev | 04:00 |
| infinity | There's some adequate beer here, but I'm not a heavy drinker (I know, shock, programmer that doesn't drink much), and Canada's beer was just fine. | 04:00 |
| LaserJock | I think I've only had beer once, when one of my college buddies swapped out my apple juice :( | 04:01 |
| === bddebian rarely drinks. But isn't a "programmer" either :-( | ||
| chillywilly | bddebian: beer is good though | 04:08 |
| chillywilly | :) | 04:08 |
| LaserJock | chillywilly: it sure isn't good when you are expecting apple juice ;-) | 04:08 |
| infinity | It's an acquired taste. I can't imagine that it's best acquire through subterfuge. | 04:09 |
| bddebian | chillywilly: Oh, I didn't say it was bad.. But with 3 kids, et al, it's tough :-) | 04:09 |
| infinity | s/acquire /acquired/ | 04:09 |
| === infinity goes back to work. | ||
| infinity | So, the concensus on the broken qmail vpopmail stuff is "drop it like a hot potato"? | 04:10 |
| chillywilly | bddebian: I ship you some beer ;) | 04:11 |
| ajmitch | seems to be | 04:11 |
| infinity | Good enough for me. Thanks guys. | 04:11 |
| === bddebian gets no love | ||
| ajmitch | I'd hate to ship security holes in universe | 04:11 |
| bddebian | No, THANK YOU infinity | 04:11 |
| bddebian | chillywilly: Sweet :-) | 04:12 |
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| bddebian | Linenkugels? :-) | 04:12 |
| bddebian | None of the Old Milwaukee spit :-) | 04:12 |
| chillywilly | bddebian: Leinies? | 04:12 |
| chillywilly | bddebian: http://www.leinies.com | 04:16 |
| chillywilly | bah that's not the right website | 04:16 |
| chillywilly | bddebian: http://www.leinie.com | 04:17 |
| bddebian | Heh a user admin page? :-) | 04:17 |
| chillywilly | their site seems broken | 04:18 |
| chillywilly | after stupid flash animation firefox display the html as text... | 04:18 |
| chillywilly | weird | 04:18 |
| chillywilly | displays | 04:18 |
| bddebian | heh | 04:22 |
| ajmitch | wonderful | 04:26 |
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| tritium | hi ajmitch, bddebian | 04:27 |
| ajmitch | hey tritium | 04:27 |
| ajmitch | how's it going? | 04:27 |
| tritium | Not bad. Yourself? | 04:28 |
| ajmitch | good :) | 04:28 |
| ajmitch | just building packages as usual | 04:28 |
| tritium | Glad to hear it :) | 04:28 |
| tritium | I'm riding the bus to work, so I feel environmentally responsible :) | 04:28 |
| bddebian | Heya tritium | 04:28 |
| tritium | Hello Barry deFreese. Haven't I seen you in my Inbox lately? | 04:29 |
| tritium | Nice work ;) | 04:30 |
| LaserJock | tritium! | 04:30 |
| tritium | LaserJock! | 04:30 |
| ajmitch | tritium: he's been spamming everyone | 04:30 |
| bddebian | tritium: Yeah, I've been slacking :-) | 04:30 |
| tritium | yeah! | 04:30 |
| tritium | bddebian: heh | 04:30 |
| === ajmitch builds yet more sponsored uploads | ||
| LaserJock | ajmitch: had a chance to test praat? | 04:32 |
| ajmitch | no, I'll install it now | 04:33 |
| ajmitch | what's it meant to do? | 04:33 |
| LaserJock | well, I think on AMD64 it was hanging | 04:34 |
| ajmitch | right | 04:34 |
| ajmitch | and you hope the new version doesn't | 04:34 |
| ajmitch | well I get the UI appearing | 04:34 |
| LaserJock | yep | 04:34 |
| ajmitch | nothing hung so far | 04:34 |
| ajmitch | but it's very very ugly (lesstif) | 04:35 |
| LaserJock | well, I'm *not* going to fix that today | 04:35 |
| ajmitch | good | 04:35 |
| LaserJock | I just wanted to make sure that it indeed did work on AMD64 | 04:36 |
| ajmitch | seems to | 04:36 |
| LaserJock | it should since the authors made a point to fix it | 04:36 |
| LaserJock | I just wanted some verification | 04:36 |
| LaserJock | thanks ajmitch | 04:36 |
| bddebian | Ack, where's the binary for doomlegacy-sdl? | 04:38 |
| LaserJock | tritium: btw, I registered #ubuntu-science today | 04:38 |
| ajmitch | bddebian: probably FTBFS | 04:38 |
| ajmitch | either that or something is broken | 04:39 |
| tritium | LaserJock: cool :) | 04:39 |
| ajmitch | bddebian: https://launchpad.net/+builds/+build/166664 | 04:39 |
| ajmitch | bad CFLAGS for gcc | 04:39 |
| bddebian | Hmm, well it installed :-) | 04:40 |
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| LaserJock | does Keybuk still create patches? | 05:17 |
| LaserJock | http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/patches/ looks like it was last updated april 17th | 05:18 |
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| dholbach | good morning | 08:31 |
| ajmitch | morning dholbach | 08:32 |
| dholbach | hey ajmitch | 08:32 |
| ajmitch | how are you? | 08:32 |
| dholbach | I'm fine - thanks | 08:33 |
| dholbach | getting read for the crasher bugs :) | 08:33 |
| dholbach | how are you? | 08:33 |
| ajmitch | good thanks :) | 08:33 |
| ajmitch | getting a bit of bugfixing done today | 08:34 |
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| dholbach | rock'n'roll :-) | 08:34 |
| Hobbsee | hi dholbach and ajmitch | 08:35 |
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| ajmitch | hello Hobbsee :) | 08:35 |
| siretart | goood morning, folks! | 08:35 |
| ajmitch | morning siretart | 08:35 |
| Hobbsee | oh, fancy seeing you here ajmitch :P | 08:35 |
| Hobbsee | hi siretart | 08:35 |
| ajmitch | good to see you around | 08:35 |
| siretart | hey Hobbsee. huhu ajmitch :) | 08:35 |
| ajmitch | Hobbsee: you expect me to ever leave irc? | 08:35 |
| Hobbsee | ajmitch: sure, when you're on the plane. | 08:35 |
| ajmitch | haha | 08:36 |
| Hobbsee | :P | 08:36 |
| ajmitch | that's when I detach screen :) | 08:36 |
| Hobbsee | hehe! | 08:36 |
| dholbach | hey Hobbsee, siretart! | 08:37 |
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| siretart | huhu dholbach | 08:46 |
| siretart | ajmitch: did you have the change to look at the updated praat package (bug #42510) | 08:49 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 42510 in praat "praat UVF exception request" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/42510 | 08:49 |
| ajmitch | siretart: yes, it worked for me | 08:50 |
| siretart | ajmitch: ok thanks | 08:53 |
| siretart | ajmitch: may I assign the bug to you (for uploading the new version) | 08:53 |
| siretart | oh, sorry, daniel didn't respond to that yet | 08:54 |
| ajmitch | isn't it a sync request to make? | 08:54 |
| ajmitch | ah no, it's not | 08:54 |
| dholbach | I responded to 42510 | 08:55 |
| siretart | dholbach: I was looking at the wrong tab. sorry | 08:55 |
| ajmitch | no sync just because of a .desktop file - I can upload that | 08:57 |
| dholbach | siretart: no problem | 08:58 |
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| === Topic for #ubuntu-motu: Ubuntu Masters of the Universe: Ubuntu Universe Repository Maintainers | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Documentation | We are in feature freeze now. Focus on http://tinyurl.com/nl87h (MOTU bugs) and http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DhIconCacheChanges and http://tinyurl.com/rjcqu (UNMETDEPS) | ||
| === Topic (#ubuntu-motu): set by dholbach at Thu Apr 27 10:51:45 2006 | ||
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| siretart | dholbach: could you perhaps post it to ubuntu-motu? | 12:20 |
| dholbach | siretart: I thought about that, but then again, I thought it'd be good to not post massfiling scripts around :-) | 12:22 |
| dholbach | siretart: http://daniel.holba.ch/bzr/massfile/ is the bzr branch | 12:22 |
| === ajmitch fetches | ||
| ajmitch | might come in handy one day | 12:23 |
| === tseng hugs dholbach ajmitch | ||
| ajmitch | hi tseng | 12:24 |
| tseng | i hope beowulf pops up today | 12:24 |
| === dholbach hugs tseng back | ||
| ajmitch | tseng: bug 6300 | 12:24 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 6300 in gfax "gfax crash" [Normal,In progress] http://launchpad.net/bugs/6300 | 12:24 |
| tseng | soon we will be right back where we started | 12:25 |
| ajmitch | you think gfax from sid will be ok? | 12:25 |
| tseng | with me uploading every change straight to ubuntu | 12:25 |
| tseng | ajmitch: yes, meebey maintains it | 12:25 |
| ajmitch | that's what I thought.. | 12:25 |
| tseng | i gave up trying to walk gfarris through doing it himself | 12:25 |
| ajmitch | dholbach: want me to put it through as a UVF exception for the team to decide on? | 12:25 |
| tseng | if I have a vote I vote yes already | 12:26 |
| ajmitch | slomo will vote yes | 12:26 |
| ajmitch | and siretart & dholbach are here already | 12:27 |
| tseng | ok. | 12:27 |
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| === ajmitch hasn't asked slomo, but I'm sure he will.. | ||
| dholbach | ajmitch: sounds good | 12:27 |
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| ajmitch | reassigned, add comments where appropriate & I'll ask for a sync when done | 12:28 |
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| pef | does a restriction exists right now for uploads to universe ? I've added a desktop file, and no confirmation e-mail of my upload | 12:38 |
| ajmitch | pef: no restrictions | 12:39 |
| ajmitch | check that you didn't accidentally set distro to unstable | 12:39 |
| === ajmitch did, and got no REJECT mail | ||
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| ajmitch | hello pygi :) | 12:39 |
| pygi | hi ajmitch | 12:39 |
| pygi | ajmitch: long time no see :P | 12:42 |
| ajmitch | yeah | 12:42 |
| ajmitch | I thought I'd better find out about this ubuntu development thing before I submitted a proposal, you see | 12:43 |
| pygi | ajmitch: heh | 12:43 |
| pef | ajmitch: had set to dapper, but still nothing, strange | 12:44 |
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| pef | will check later... | 12:47 |
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| mikl | eeh, where do you go, if you want a version bump of a package in dapper? | 01:28 |
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| TomaszD | good question | 01:38 |
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| TomaszD | wish there was 0.20.1 of quodlibet available. | 01:38 |
| Hobbsee | wonder why he wants it bumped.. | 01:39 |
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| crimsun | TomaszD: I'll try and whip up a uvfe req for that today | 01:52 |
| TomaszD | crimsun, cool, thanks! | 01:52 |
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| Lathiat | whats lucas nussbaums irc nick? | 02:36 |
| LaserJock | Lathiat: lol, lucas | 02:40 |
| Lathiat | just checking cause wasnt online :) | 02:40 |
| LaserJock | siretart: ping? | 02:41 |
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| truz24 | Whats going on LaserJock | 02:47 |
| LaserJock | truz24: oh, not a whole lot. Got up nice and early for and Edubuntu meeting | 02:48 |
| truz24 | So what is your research in for your PHD? | 02:48 |
| LaserJock | detecting molecular motors | 02:51 |
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| Coyctecm | I think that cinelerra would be fine if found in universe/multiverse | 03:01 |
| Coyctecm | and jashaka | 03:01 |
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| ajmitch | night all | 03:16 |
| LaserJock | ajmitch: just a sec | 03:18 |
| LaserJock | ajmitch: you merged praat? | 03:19 |
| tritium | good night, ajmitch | 03:20 |
| LaserJock | jeeze, I ask him to test it out and he steals my upload ;-) | 03:21 |
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| siretart | LaserJock: pong | 03:36 |
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| LaserJock | siretart: heah, I was just wondering about the praat UVFe | 03:37 |
| TomaszD | could I request another uvfe ? this time for Kino 0.8.1 http://www.kinodv.org/article/view/123/1/7/ . | 03:37 |
| TomaszD | I'm really looking forward to this release | 03:37 |
| LaserJock | siretart: ajmitch said he would upload it? | 03:38 |
| siretart | LaserJock: I'd suggest asking him himself, but I remember that because of a desktopfile, a sync wasn't possible | 03:40 |
| siretart | maybe I mix up things, though | 03:40 |
| LaserJock | siretart: yeah, but I had a package ready to go | 03:40 |
| LaserJock | so was just waiting for the ok. | 03:40 |
| siretart | LaserJock: if you can upload yourself, just assign the bug to you and do it | 03:41 |
| LaserJock | siretart: well, ajmitch already took care of it. I just wondered if there was a reason ajmitch was supposed to do it | 03:42 |
| siretart | LaserJock: no, he was just the first in sight | 03:45 |
| siretart | LaserJock: I'm experimenting if assigninging UVF requests to specific people improves the processing of them | 03:45 |
| siretart | rather than to leave them assigned to motu-uvf, that is | 03:46 |
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| LaserJock | siretart: ok | 03:47 |
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| zakame | hi all | 03:54 |
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| kagou | hi | 04:08 |
| LaserJock | hi kagou | 04:08 |
| kagou | is there a nice developer for Bug #36753 ? | 04:09 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 36753 in gdesklets "upgrade to gDesklets 0.35.3" [Wishlist,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/36753 | 04:09 |
| kagou | like siretart asked me " then ask on #ubuntu-motu some developer to look at your bug, your package or whatever in order to get it to the archive" | 04:10 |
| kagou | so any volunteer ?! | 04:11 |
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| LaserJock | hmm, that would require a Upstream Version Freeze exception this late in the release cycle | 04:12 |
| kagou | LaserJock: look description UVF is accepted | 04:12 |
| tritium | Does the status of bug #6687 mean that it was rejected for dapper? That would be nice to get fixed... | 04:13 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 6687 in gnome-session "Options in system > preferences > sessions, various little problems" [Minor,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/6687 | 04:13 |
| LaserJock | kagou: nice, you did a lot of work on this | 04:15 |
| kagou | thanks LaserJock. I do my best. it's the minimum that i can do to help Ubuntu team. | 04:15 |
| LaserJock | tritium: I don't think so. | 04:15 |
| siretart | LaserJock: the uvf is granted, it needs someone to assemble and upload it | 04:17 |
| siretart | if nobody steps in, I'll handle it tonight | 04:17 |
| LaserJock | siretart: the debdiff looks pretty simple, I can sponsor the upload for kagou I think | 04:17 |
| tritium | LaserJock: you think it will get addressed, in other words? | 04:17 |
| LaserJock | tritium: yeah, there was a problem where a bunch of dapper tasks were created and they shouldn't have been, I think | 04:18 |
| tritium | I see... | 04:18 |
| LaserJock | kagou: so why did you chance the gdesklets-data dependency? | 04:19 |
| LaserJock | s/chance/change/ | 04:19 |
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| kagou | LaserJock: to close a bug. It's very simple. If you use the Add/Del software and you install gdesklets, gdesklets-data is not installed so gdesklets is not working | 04:19 |
| LaserJock | kagou: ok, give me a bit to build it for myself | 04:21 |
| kagou | np LaserJock | 04:21 |
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| zakame | hmm bug 32252 | 04:26 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 32252 in tuxpaint "Installs two desktop launchers in different sections" [Normal,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/32252 | 04:26 |
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| LaserJock | zakame: probably 1 .desktop with multiple Categories | 04:27 |
| zakame | yep it seems | 04:28 |
| kagou | LaserJock: patch adding depend for gdesklets-data have been created for Bug #38080 | 04:29 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 38080 in gdesklets "gdesklets should probably have dependency of gdesklets-data" [Normal,Fix released] http://launchpad.net/bugs/38080 | 04:29 |
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| LaserJock | slomo: ping? | 05:16 |
| slomo | LaserJock: pong | 05:17 |
| LaserJock | slomo: I'm fixing up gdesklets. kagou mentioned you said to remember to no install mime | 05:17 |
| slomo | LaserJock: to not install mime.cache, yes | 05:18 |
| slomo | LaserJock: look at the changelog of our current gdesklets for the reasons | 05:18 |
| LaserJock | yeah, do you know about "chmod 644 debian/gdesklets/usr/lib/gdesklets/NullObject.py" in rules? | 05:19 |
| slomo | LaserJock: no idea | 05:22 |
| slomo | LaserJock: NullObject.py was removed in the new version afaik anyway | 05:22 |
| LaserJock | that was what i was wondering | 05:23 |
| LaserJock | I'm trying to figure out what all needs to be merged back in | 05:23 |
| LaserJock | I've got the mime.cache and python-orbit dep done | 05:23 |
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| LaserJock | welcome back kagou | 05:36 |
| kagou | LaserJock: :) | 05:36 |
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| kengra | what programming language would you suggest i learn if i want to contribute? c++? | 05:44 |
| hub | to ubuntu? | 05:45 |
| kengra | hub, yes | 05:46 |
| hub | kengra: shell and eventually python | 05:47 |
| hub | most likely | 05:47 |
| hub | contributing to ubuntu is a lot of packaging task | 05:47 |
| hub | knowing other programming language is always a plus as it sometime allow to fix bugs in the program themself, but since the goal is not to patch too much... | 05:48 |
| kengra | so you would say that learning python would be a good place to start? | 05:50 |
| kengra | can you recommend a good developer tool? | 05:50 |
| hub | kengra: I don't know python | 05:52 |
| hub | that does not prevent me from being a motu | 05:52 |
| LaserJock | dholbach: ping? | 05:55 |
| dholbach | LaserJock: pong | 05:55 |
| LaserJock | dholbach: I'm preparing an upload of the new gdesklets | 05:55 |
| dholbach | LaserJock: nice | 05:55 |
| LaserJock | dholbach: and the .deb failes on the postrm | 05:55 |
| LaserJock | dholbach: with "touch: missing file operand" | 05:56 |
| LaserJock | dholbach: and the only place touch is called is by the dh_iconcache part | 05:56 |
| dholbach | LaserJock: get the new debhelper - adam fixed that | 05:56 |
| LaserJock | when? | 05:56 |
| LaserJock | I have a pretty updated system. let me dist-upgrad and try again | 05:57 |
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| LaserJock | argg, I need a little help | 06:10 |
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| LaserJock | apt doesn't work anymore | 06:11 |
| LaserJock | how do I force the removal of a package | 06:11 |
| zakame_away | dpkg --purge? | 06:11 |
| LaserJock | ugg, it is still failing on postrm and it insists I reinstall before removal | 06:13 |
| LaserJock | but I can reinstall for the same reason | 06:13 |
| LaserJock | s/can/can't/ | 06:13 |
| LaserJock | dholbach: do you know of a way to get rid of package that has that dh_iconcache problem? | 06:15 |
| dholbach | LaserJock: get the new debhelper - adam fixed that | 06:15 |
| dholbach | LaserJock: build with new debhelper | 06:16 |
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| bddebian | Heya gang | 06:17 |
| zakame | heya bddebian | 06:18 |
| LaserJock | dholbach: what I'm saying is I can't do anything with dpkg or apt-get because of it | 06:18 |
| bddebian | Heya zakame | 06:18 |
| LaserJock | dholbach: so I can't get a new debhelper | 06:18 |
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| bddebian | Uh oh, what'd LaserJock break now? :-) | 06:19 |
| dholbach | LaserJock: edit .postrm | 06:19 |
| LaserJock | dholbach: ah, should have thought of that | 06:19 |
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| Tonio_ | hello | 06:22 |
| bddebian | Heya Tonio_ | 06:24 |
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| bddebian | siretart: ping? | 06:25 |
| Tonio_ | hey bddebian | 06:26 |
| bddebian | or dholbach? | 06:26 |
| dholbach | bddebian: I'm quite busy - what is it? | 06:28 |
| bddebian | dholbach: siretart asked me to sync vnc4. Can we do that now? | 06:29 |
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| bddebian | Boy, I don't even get love from dholbach anymore :'-( | 06:29 |
| dholbach | bddebian: man, i'm just busy - sorry | 06:30 |
| dholbach | bddebian: if he said you can sync it, then go ahead - assign the bug to ubuntu-archive and say that it's ok to override ubuntu changes | 06:30 |
| dholbach | sorry, if i'm a bit blunt | 06:30 |
| bddebian | Oooh, OK, sorry | 06:30 |
| bddebian | NP | 06:30 |
| dholbach | i'll be better later :) | 06:30 |
| dholbach | promise | 06:30 |
| bddebian | No worries | 06:30 |
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| Tonio_ | hi dholbach | 06:33 |
| dholbach | hi Tonio_ | 06:33 |
| LaserJock | bddebian: have you built vnc4? | 06:37 |
| bddebian | LaserJock: Yes and installed | 06:37 |
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| bddebian | Crap, varconf probably should have been a UVF exception request instead of a sync request? | 06:38 |
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| Tonio_ | dholbach: Riddell is interested in libagg in dapper | 06:53 |
| Tonio_ | dholbach: there is a debian package available, so it could eventually be sync, but we don't know the sync status | 06:53 |
| dholbach | Tonio_: make a request to get it synced or ask in #ubuntu-devel how happy everybody is with it | 06:54 |
| Tonio_ | dholbach: what is the best way to do this actually ? sunchronizing or porting and getting it revued ? | 06:54 |
| Tonio_ | dholbach: thanks | 06:54 |
| dholbach | build it, test it | 06:54 |
| dholbach | the file a bug, assign to ubuntu-archive | 06:54 |
| Tonio_ | dholbach: sure I will in the first place | 06:54 |
| dholbach | describe why it's needed | 06:54 |
| dholbach | etc | 06:54 |
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| Tonio_ | dholbach: great thanks | 06:54 |
| bddebian | dholbach: Heh, suuure :-) | 06:55 |
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| bddebian | LaserJock: Why's that? :) | 06:58 |
| LaserJock | bddebian: dapper-changes | 06:58 |
| bddebian | LaserJock: ? | 06:58 |
| LaserJock | I just uploaded a new upstream version of gdesklets | 06:58 |
| bddebian | Oh, nice :-) | 06:59 |
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| jpatrick | LaserJock: oh, naughty | 07:00 |
| LaserJock | well, the first time I tried uploading it it was rejected because I forgot to include the new .orig.tar.gz | 07:01 |
| bddebian | tsk tsk :-) | 07:01 |
| LaserJock | which was good because I overlooked merging a couple things | 07:01 |
| LaserJock | so needless to say, I sure hope it works and slomo doesn't have my hide | 07:02 |
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| slomo | LaserJock: i see everything ;) | 07:02 |
| LaserJock | but I've been up since 05:00 this morning | 07:03 |
| LaserJock | I'd like to just say that kagou did a great job with that UVF exception | 07:03 |
| LaserJock | anyway, I've done enough work/breakage for a bit. I got to get to work | 07:05 |
| bddebian | Later Laser_away | 07:06 |
| carthik | We need an motu-mentor program, don't we? | 07:07 |
| bddebian | Yes | 07:07 |
| bddebian | Someone needs to mentor my sorr arse :-) | 07:07 |
| carthik | bddebian, great, so let me know when we can get started :) | 07:08 |
| carthik | oh I thought you'd be my mentor ;) | 07:08 |
| bddebian | :-) | 07:08 |
| carthik | I wish I could help out with some of the more mechanical/rote tasks, is all. | 07:09 |
| bddebian | Bug triaging is a big help | 07:09 |
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| bddebian | dholbach: Isn't the changelog diff there for varconf? | 07:18 |
| dholbach | that's for debian/changelog | 07:20 |
| dholbach | ChangeLog is a bit more informative | 07:20 |
| bddebian | Ahh, OK | 07:24 |
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| bddebian | dholbach: Diff the upstream changelogs or just send the new changelog? | 07:25 |
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| dholbach | diff upstream changelogs | 07:27 |
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| bddebian | dholbach: sent | 07:33 |
| dholbach | bddebian: thanks | 07:36 |
| bddebian | dholbach: No, thank YOU :-) | 07:37 |
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| LaserJock | carthik: when I first started I wanted to start a motu-mentor program | 07:38 |
| LaserJock | carthik: but really I think it is better to view #ubuntu-motu as your mentor | 07:38 |
| bddebian | Why, we never help anyone in here? ;-P | 07:39 |
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| LaserJock | I'd like to start coming up with a curriculum for #ubuntu-motu-school though | 07:41 |
| dholbach | LaserJock: in the beginning of next release, I'd like to help with that | 07:44 |
| LaserJock | dholbach: yeah, I can't do it until the release. But I was thinking of using the Packaging Guide | 07:45 |
| dholbach | yeah and random stuff we come up with | 07:47 |
| LaserJock | which can also be encorporated back into the Packaging Guide | 07:47 |
| dholbach | yeah | 07:47 |
| LaserJock | I sure would like it to be more of a comunity thing than me running around trying to document everything | 07:48 |
| LaserJock | I don't mind being the doc team contact and handling the XML | 07:48 |
| bddebian | LaserJock: But you do it so well :-) | 07:49 |
| LaserJock | bddebian: I don't particularly think so, luckily crimsun helped proofreading | 07:49 |
| LaserJock | I was very worried I would have some serious Policy violation in there or something just out of shear ignorance | 07:50 |
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| bddebian | LaserJock: Bah, ignorance is MY sepcialty | 07:51 |
| LaserJock | bddebian: that's what I like about you. we can be brothers in ignorance ;-) | 07:52 |
| bddebian | heh | 07:52 |
| LaserJock | but I've gotten fairly good reviews so far and there is even going to be a print version soon that people can get | 07:52 |
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| carthik | LaserJock, that looks awesome (the packaging guide) - but a page describing how/when packages are normally "synced" with the latest from debian, a page describing how a normal ".desktop" bug is fixed etc, with steps would be helpful, imho | 08:23 |
| LaserJock | carthik: sure | 08:23 |
| carthik | The reason I said a mentor program would be nice is so that a wannabe has one guaranteed answering post :) (through email+IRC) | 08:24 |
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| LaserJock | carthik: I can surely understand that, I was there myself | 08:26 |
| LaserJock | carthik: but being a mentor is pretty demanding and I think the MOTU survive on an atmosphere of community effort so getting help from many source is good | 08:27 |
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| LaserJock | carthik: I would be more in favor of a mentor-team or something like that, but in esscence the MOTU is that already | 08:29 |
| LaserJock | if we can get the MOTU school fired up again that would probably help | 08:29 |
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| Gloubiboulga | LaserJock, I agree with you, but maybe a mailing list could help more than IRC only | 08:30 |
| carthik | LaserJock, couldn't agree more. Besides, if a current MOTU finds a low-hanging fruit - it must be rather tempting to just pluck it than to show some wannabe how to pluck it. | 08:30 |
| LaserJock | Gloubiboulga: we have the ubuntu-motu list | 08:30 |
| Gloubiboulga | LaserJock, I don't see it as a "mentor" list | 08:31 |
| LaserJock | I agree | 08:31 |
| LaserJock | but there isn't anything that says it can't be really. I don't know how the other MOTUs would feel about that | 08:31 |
| LaserJock | it doesn't seem to be very high traffic these days | 08:31 |
| Gloubiboulga | true | 08:32 |
| LaserJock | Gloubiboulga: it would just take making people aware of it | 08:32 |
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| LaserJock | carthik: I try to encourage Wannabes to grab that low-hanging fruit, but yeah, sometimes it is just easier to do it | 08:33 |
| LaserJock | it would be kinda nice to come up with a Wannabe To Do list that MOTUs can dump the low-hanging fruit | 08:36 |
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| ohoel | anyone thinking about packaging GShare? | 09:03 |
| ohoel | ( http://yimports.com/~cpinto/projects/gnome/gshare ) looks promising | 09:03 |
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| bluepixel | hey guys, what's the default gcc-version i should take to compile packages "ubuntu-conform"? | 09:29 |
| bluepixel | and the most important, what c/cxx/ld-flags | 09:29 |
| bluepixel | libc is 2.3.6 i guess | 09:30 |
| kagou | many thanks to LaserJock for uploading my UVF of gdesklets :) | 09:31 |
| LaserJock | kagou: well, you are doing good work there. I hope you keep it up | 09:32 |
| crimsun | bluepixel: gcc. none. 2.3.6 in dapper. | 09:32 |
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| kagou | :) | 09:33 |
| bluepixel | crimsun: ah okay, what about compiler flags? | 09:34 |
| crimsun | bluepixel: see the "none". | 09:34 |
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| bluepixel | i see ;) yes ok thanks | 09:34 |
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| kagou | see you later | 09:58 |
| LaserJock | cya kagou | 09:59 |
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| dholbach | good night motu world | 10:17 |
| LaserJock | cya dholbach | 10:18 |
| pygi | night dholbach | 10:19 |
| dholbach | night LaserJock, night pygi | 10:20 |
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| ajmitch | morning all | 11:28 |
| bddebian | Heya ajmitch | 11:31 |
| Mithrandir | hi ajmitch, bddebian | 11:31 |
| bddebian | Heya Mithrandir | 11:31 |
| LaserJock | hi ajmitch, upload stealer ;-) | 11:40 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: sure, I'll hand in my key now.. | 11:40 |
| LaserJock | ajmitch: you gonna close the praat UVFe request? | 11:40 |
| ajmitch | no, then I'll be stealing it from you | 11:41 |
| LaserJock | well, it is assigned to you | 11:41 |
| LaserJock | done | 11:42 |
| bddebian | Catch you in a while folks | 11:42 |
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| LaserJock | if I edited a postinst script in /var/lib/dpkg/info will it take effect when I run dpkg? | 11:57 |
| TheMuso | LaserJock: Yes it should. | 11:59 |
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