[12:12] <theCore> is there any special way to deal with packages that uses SCons?
[12:51] <dholbach> good night everybody
[01:54] <bddebian> Heya gang
[01:55] <tseng> hi bddebian
[01:56] <bddebian> Wow, 2 tsengs :-)
[01:57] <tseng> i would rather bs with you here
[01:57] <tseng> than in #u-d
[01:57] <bddebian> Heh
[01:57] <tseng> dont wake the mdz
[01:57] <LaserJock> hi bddebian and tseng
[01:57] <tseng> hi
[01:57] <bddebian> I didn't thing you bs'd? :-)
[01:58] <LaserJock> tseng: what about the elmo?
[01:58] <bddebian> Heya LaserJock
[01:58] <tseng> LaserJock: the elmo is more bark than bite
[01:58] <tseng> but one scary bark
[01:58] <tseng> i dont recommend throwing things at him
[01:58] <tseng> or taking his picture
[01:59] <tseng> both a good way to get a big red beat down
[01:59] <LaserJock> yeah, I've seen a couple pictures where he expressed his view on taking pictures :-)
[01:59] <tseng> i took mdz's picture
[01:59] <tseng> and he hit me in the head with mentos
[01:59] <LaserJock> hmm, physically abusive
[02:00] <tseng> not really
[02:00] <LaserJock> elmo only seems emotionaly abusive ;-)
[02:00] <bddebian> I thought all you commie hippies were anti-violence? ;-P
[02:00] <tseng> mentos were thrown non-stop at udu
[02:00] <tseng> daniels and i are little kids
[02:00] <LaserJock> tseng: so it was group abuse? hmmm
[02:01] <tseng> well there was a room called Vibe (the fuck) Out
[02:01] <tseng> where most of the throwing things happened
[02:01] <tseng> at thom
[02:04] <LaserJock> hmm, and I was thinking of going to Paris. Maybe I'd have to bring defensive weapons and plenty of mentos
[02:06] <LaserJock> but I don't think I have money for it actually. Paris is still pretty expensive to fly to for me. If it was in Vegas I'd be set
[02:06] <tseng> in sydney the hotel put out the menthos
[02:06] <tseng> mentos
[02:07] <LaserJock> heh
[02:07] <LaserJock> and did they have to clean them up?
[02:34] <hub> LaserJock: what's wrong with Paris?
[02:35] <tseng> LaserJock: yeah they did
[02:35] <tseng> LaserJock: and refill them
[02:35] <bddebian> hub: It's full of French people? ;-P
[02:35] <hub> bddebian: yeah, I prefer Paris in August for that sole reason
[02:35] <bddebian> ?
[02:36] <hub> bddebian: August is the month of the year were most of french people leave for vacations
[02:36] <bddebian> Oh, hehe
[02:36] <hub> bddebian: so Paris is a desert populated by tourists
[02:36] <hub> July is not bad either
[02:36] <FunnyLookinHat> Paris sucks.
[02:36] <FunnyLookinHat> ^_^;;
[02:37] <LaserJock> hub: I'd just like it to be closer so it wasn't so expensive.
[02:37] <hub> LaserJock: closer to what?
[02:38] <LaserJock> hub: me
[02:38] <hub> LaserJock: still does not tell me
[02:38] <LaserJock> Nevada, USA
[02:38] <hub> ah
[02:39] <tseng> i cant go to Paris
[02:39] <hub> well for me Paris is closer, not in distance
[02:39] <tseng> i am going to Spain the next week
[02:39] <tseng> i dont have that much vacation time
[02:39] <hub> btw, what is in Paris?
[02:39] <tseng> hub: next ubuntu conf
[02:39] <hub> oh
[02:39] <tseng> hub: the week before guadec
[02:39] <hub> no shit
[02:39] <tseng> yeah
[02:39] <hub> will be a no for me
[02:39] <hub> even if I could have free room
[02:42] <hub> but Ubuntu Conf is not gonna happen
[02:42] <hub> as 1/ I'm already scheduled for GUadec, 2/ I don't see my employer letting me go
[02:43] <tseng> hub: same here
[02:43] <tseng> ubuntu conf is boring anyway
[02:43] <tseng> such a hectic schedule
[02:43] <hub> tseng: it is to get work done
[02:43] <tseng> i know
[02:44] <tseng> but you get tired of it after a few days
[02:44] <hub> tseng: I was at the last one
[02:44] <hub> all week
[02:44] <hub> I had nothing else to do
[02:44] <tseng> yeah
[02:44] <tseng> you were in your own country
[02:44] <hub> tseng: Paris is my own country
[02:45] <hub> Montreal was my place of unemployment
[02:45] <tseng> ok
[02:45] <tseng> do you still live in canada?
[02:45] <hub> yeah
[02:45] <hub> near Ottawa
[02:45] <hub> I work for a canadian Linux vendor
[02:46] <hub> not hard to guess which one
[02:46] <tseng> i know
[02:46] <LaserJock> I guess I should have gone to UBZ, it might be my best chance for a while
[02:46] <LaserJock> maybe Mexico will be next
[02:46] <LaserJock> that I could probably do
[02:47] <hub> LaserJock: distance is not the biggest problem
[02:47] <hub> fortunately it is not in the US
[02:47] <LaserJock> I still think Las Vegas would be cool
[02:47] <hub> LaserJock: uncool
[02:47] <tseng>  LaserJock half of canonical hates the US
[02:47] <hub> lot of people would not be able to come
[02:47] <tseng> LaserJock: so good luck
[02:47] <hub> tseng: including me
[02:48] <LaserJock> I know, I just wish they could get past it for 1 conference :-)
[02:48] <hub> LaserJock: why don;t you come?
[02:49] <hub> most off the countries haven't had the balls to be strict with US tourists
[02:49] <hub> unlike Bush is doing
[02:49] <LaserJock> well, it is expensive to fly
[02:49] <hub> LaserJock: it is more expensive to get the right to enter your country
[02:49] <hub> flying to france is not expensive
[02:49] <hub> it cost me CAD$900 last time
[02:49] <LaserJock> something like $1000 USD
[02:50] <LaserJock> I'd really have to save for it
[02:50] <hub> the is what lot of people have to pay to even have the right to submit a visa application
[02:51] <bddebian> tseng: 1/2?  I think like 90% of "Free Software" folks hate the US
[02:51] <tseng> bddebian: thats because they are a bunch of pinko commies
[02:52] <bddebian> tseng: EXACTLY :-)
[02:52] <LaserJock> I love the US but I can see where it is difficult for people why aren't from here
[02:52] <hub> bddebian: there are still some in the US
[02:52] <hub> bddebian: before they get arrested for communism in a big witch hunt
[02:52] <nictuku> hi!
[02:53] <hub> LaserJock: the problem is more the regime
[02:53] <tseng> wow ok, a 40 year old political scandal
[02:53] <LaserJock> hub: well, I like it too, but I won't go there ;-)
[02:54] <hub> LaserJock: then blame yourself
[02:54] <ajmitch> afternoon
[02:54] <hub> hey ajmitch
[02:55] <LaserJock> hub: hehe, alright. I'll just have to save up the money
[02:55] <LaserJock> hi ajmitch
[02:55] <polpak> Anyone awake? ;p
[02:55] <ajmitch> no
[02:55] <polpak> damn =p
[02:55] <LaserJock> all asleep here
[02:55] <polpak> Just curious, but why is the python2.4-ctypes package so old?
[02:56] <hub> polpak: not asleep let
[02:56] <polpak> in dapper even
[02:56] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[02:57] <LaserJock> polpak: is it that old?
[02:57] <ajmitch> polpak: because upstream version freeze was in january
[02:57] <bddebian> Hmm, should I look at bugs tonight...
[02:57] <LaserJock> nah, just hang out and BS with us slackers ;-)
[02:58] <polpak> ajmitch, ah.. gotcha
[02:58] <bddebian> LaserJock: :-)
[02:58] <polpak> ajmitch, there was just a big jump in version numbers in feb
[02:58] <polpak> ajmitch, sorry for the confusion =)
[03:33] <infinity> Does anyone give enough of a damn about vpopmail/libvpopmail-perl/php4-vpopmail/qmailadmin to fix them up so that they're buildable, installable, and not RC buggy?
[03:40] <ajmitch> infinity: they sound scary
[03:42] <infinity> They also appear to be mostly unmaintained in Debian (no uploads for ages, no reponse to RC bugs), so I'm inclined to just drop them entirely.
[03:42] <bddebian> infinity: What are you doing in here? :)
[03:43] <ajmitch> giving us more work, of course
[03:43] <Toadstool> 'night
[03:43] <infinity> bddebian: Trying to get MOTUs to either fix multiverse or tell me to remove stuff from the archive, that's what. :)
[03:43] <bddebian> ajmitch: :-)
[03:43] <ajmitch> yeah, 3 RC bugs against vpopmail, 2 years since last upload
[03:43] <ajmitch> messy
[03:43] <bddebian> Hmm, I guess I could take a look but I'd vote for removal
[03:43] <ajmitch> security bugs included
[03:44] <infinity> ajmitch: And in my experience trying to install it just now, those 3 RC bugsa aren't comprehensive.  I could file another 2 or 3 based on a 30-second audit.
[03:44] <ajmitch> I'd remove it rather than having to spend time getting it up to par
[03:44] <infinity> Anyhow, I figured maybe someone here was enough of a qmail nut to want to fix them up and make them work.
[03:44] <infinity> If not, I'm happy to drop them.
[03:45] <hub> infinity: I hate qmail
[03:45] <hub> infinity: because it is not free, it developer is not even open to anything and because qmail is buggy
[03:46] <infinity> hub: I'm not looking for anti-qmail sentiments.  I know all the arguments. :)
[03:46] <ajmitch> I really should fix my debian RC bugs
[03:46] <bddebian> infinity: Drop them
[03:46] <infinity> bddebian: sendmail?  smail?  nullmailer? :)
[03:47] <bddebian> Outlook express :-)
[03:47] <infinity> ajmitch: So, am I just completely retarded?  I never knew until I just looked you up RIGHT NOW that you're a DD.
[03:47] <ajmitch> infinity: I've only been a DD for a bit over a year
[03:48] <infinity> ajmitch: And you maintain a PHP application... You must despise me.
[03:48] <infinity> (Or, perhaps, I despise you...)
[03:48] <ajmitch> or I despise it
[03:48] <bddebian> heh
[03:49] <infinity> Doesn't help that I never got around to publishing the PHP policy that I keep smacking people with.
[03:50] <infinity> ajmitch: Hrm.  Were you always the pnet maintainer?
[03:50] <ajmitch> yes
[03:50] <infinity> Oh, then I guess we probably crossed paths long before I joined Ubuntu.
[03:50] <ajmitch> you actually know of it?
[03:50] <ajmitch> surprising
[03:50] <infinity> I vaguely recall making some promises to help bootstrap it on m68k, then completely forgetting about it until, uhm, today.
[03:50] <ajmitch> ah yes
[03:50] <ajmitch> I remember that now
[03:52] <ajmitch> pnet ought to be easy
[03:52] <infinity> Yeah, pnet doesn't look as scary as mono.
[03:52] <infinity> ajmitch: Well, as a DD, you have access to crest.  If you need anything installed in the sid chroot there, let me know.
[03:53] <ajmitch> alright
[03:53] <ajmitch> the 2nd part is the hardest
[03:53] <infinity> Motivation is a killer for me too these days. :/
[03:56] <infinity> My recent Debian upload record isn't exactly stellar.  I think working on Ubuntu all day kinda kills any motivation to do EXACTLY THE SAME THING in my dwindling spare time.
[03:56] <bddebian> Err cattle even
[03:57] <LaserJock> bddebian: the electric kind?
[03:57] <ajmitch> I suspect so
[03:58] <LaserJock> the electric ones work pretty well, but a good ole' 2x4 can do the job as well
[03:58] <bddebian> heh
[03:58] <ajmitch> I find beer works better for motivation
[03:59] <LaserJock> oh, I was talking about cattle ;-)
[03:59] <ajmitch> I'm sure infinity didn't move to .au for the beer..
[04:00] <LaserJock> never tried beer on a cow before but I suspect it wouldn't work as well as on a Linux dev
[04:00] <infinity> There's some adequate beer here, but I'm not a heavy drinker (I know, shock, programmer that doesn't drink much), and Canada's beer was just fine.
[04:01] <LaserJock> I think I've only had beer once, when one of my college buddies swapped out my apple juice :(
[04:08] <chillywilly> bddebian: beer is good though
[04:08] <chillywilly> :)
[04:08] <LaserJock> chillywilly: it sure isn't good when you are expecting apple juice ;-)
[04:09] <infinity> It's an acquired taste.  I can't imagine that it's best acquire through subterfuge.
[04:09] <bddebian> chillywilly: Oh, I didn't say it was bad.. But with 3 kids, et al, it's tough :-)
[04:09] <infinity> s/acquire /acquired/
[04:10] <infinity> So, the concensus on the broken qmail vpopmail stuff is "drop it like a hot potato"?
[04:11] <chillywilly> bddebian: I ship you some beer ;)
[04:11] <ajmitch> seems to be
[04:11] <infinity> Good enough for me.  Thanks guys.
[04:11] <ajmitch> I'd hate to ship security holes in universe
[04:11] <bddebian> No, THANK YOU infinity
[04:12] <bddebian> chillywilly: Sweet :-)
[04:12] <bddebian> Linenkugels? :-)
[04:12] <bddebian> None of the Old Milwaukee spit :-)
[04:12] <chillywilly> bddebian: Leinies?
[04:16] <chillywilly> bddebian: http://www.leinies.com
[04:16] <chillywilly> bah that's not the right website
[04:17] <chillywilly> bddebian: http://www.leinie.com
[04:17] <bddebian> Heh a user admin page? :-)
[04:18] <chillywilly> their site seems broken
[04:18] <chillywilly> after stupid flash animation firefox display the html as text...
[04:18] <chillywilly> weird
[04:18] <chillywilly> displays
[04:22] <bddebian> heh
[04:26] <ajmitch> wonderful
[04:27] <tritium> hi ajmitch, bddebian
[04:27] <ajmitch> hey tritium
[04:27] <ajmitch> how's it going?
[04:28] <tritium> Not bad.  Yourself?
[04:28] <ajmitch> good :)
[04:28] <ajmitch> just building packages as usual
[04:28] <tritium> Glad to hear it :)
[04:28] <tritium> I'm riding the bus to work, so I feel environmentally responsible :)
[04:28] <bddebian> Heya tritium
[04:29] <tritium> Hello Barry deFreese.  Haven't I seen you in my Inbox lately?
[04:30] <tritium> Nice work ;)
[04:30] <LaserJock> tritium!
[04:30] <tritium> LaserJock!
[04:30] <ajmitch> tritium: he's been spamming everyone
[04:30] <bddebian> tritium: Yeah, I've been slacking :-)
[04:30] <tritium> yeah!
[04:30] <tritium> bddebian: heh
[04:32] <LaserJock> ajmitch: had a chance to test praat?
[04:33] <ajmitch> no, I'll install it now
[04:33] <ajmitch> what's it meant to do?
[04:34] <LaserJock> well, I think on AMD64 it was hanging
[04:34] <ajmitch> right
[04:34] <ajmitch> and you hope the new version doesn't
[04:34] <ajmitch> well I get the UI appearing
[04:34] <LaserJock> yep
[04:34] <ajmitch> nothing hung so far
[04:35] <ajmitch> but it's very very ugly (lesstif)
[04:35] <LaserJock> well, I'm *not* going to fix that today
[04:35] <ajmitch> good
[04:36] <LaserJock> I just wanted to make sure that it indeed did work on AMD64
[04:36] <ajmitch> seems to
[04:36] <LaserJock> it should since the authors made a point to fix it
[04:36] <LaserJock> I just wanted some verification
[04:36] <LaserJock> thanks ajmitch
[04:38] <bddebian> Ack, where's the binary for doomlegacy-sdl?
[04:38] <LaserJock> tritium: btw, I registered #ubuntu-science today
[04:38] <ajmitch> bddebian: probably FTBFS
[04:39] <ajmitch> either that or something is broken
[04:39] <tritium> LaserJock: cool :)
[04:39] <ajmitch> bddebian: https://launchpad.net/+builds/+build/166664
[04:39] <ajmitch> bad CFLAGS for gcc
[04:40] <bddebian> Hmm, well it installed :-)
[05:17] <LaserJock> does Keybuk still create patches?
[05:18] <LaserJock> http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/patches/ looks like it was last updated april 17th
[08:31] <dholbach> good morning
[08:32] <ajmitch> morning dholbach
[08:32] <dholbach> hey ajmitch
[08:32] <ajmitch> how are you?
[08:33] <dholbach> I'm fine - thanks
[08:33] <dholbach> getting read for the crasher bugs :)
[08:33] <dholbach> how are you?
[08:33] <ajmitch> good thanks :)
[08:34] <ajmitch> getting a bit of bugfixing done today
[08:34] <dholbach> rock'n'roll :-)
[08:35] <Hobbsee> hi dholbach and ajmitch
[08:35] <ajmitch> hello Hobbsee :)
[08:35] <siretart> goood morning, folks!
[08:35] <ajmitch> morning siretart
[08:35] <Hobbsee> oh, fancy seeing you here ajmitch :P
[08:35] <Hobbsee> hi siretart
[08:35] <ajmitch> good to see you around
[08:35] <siretart> hey Hobbsee. huhu ajmitch :)
[08:35] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: you expect me to ever leave irc?
[08:35] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: sure, when you're on the plane.
[08:36] <ajmitch> haha
[08:36] <Hobbsee> :P
[08:36] <ajmitch> that's when I detach screen :)
[08:36] <Hobbsee> hehe!
[08:37] <dholbach> hey Hobbsee, siretart!
[08:46] <siretart> huhu dholbach
[08:49] <siretart> ajmitch: did you have the change to look at the updated praat package (bug #42510)
[08:49] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 42510 in praat "praat UVF exception request" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/42510
[08:50] <ajmitch> siretart: yes, it worked for me
[08:53] <siretart> ajmitch: ok thanks
[08:53] <siretart> ajmitch: may I assign the bug to you (for uploading the new version)
[08:54] <siretart> oh, sorry, daniel didn't respond to that yet
[08:54] <ajmitch> isn't it a sync request to make?
[08:54] <ajmitch> ah no, it's not
[08:55] <dholbach> I responded to 42510
[08:55] <siretart> dholbach: I was looking at the wrong tab. sorry
[08:57] <ajmitch> no sync just because of a .desktop file - I can upload that
[08:58] <dholbach> siretart: no problem
[12:20] <siretart> dholbach: could you perhaps post it to ubuntu-motu?
[12:22] <dholbach> siretart: I thought about that, but then again, I thought it'd be good to not post massfiling scripts around :-)
[12:22] <dholbach> siretart: http://daniel.holba.ch/bzr/massfile/ is the bzr branch
[12:23] <ajmitch> might come in handy one day
[12:24] <ajmitch> hi tseng
[12:24] <tseng> i hope beowulf pops up today
[12:24] <ajmitch> tseng: bug 6300
[12:24] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 6300 in gfax "gfax crash" [Normal,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6300
[12:25] <tseng> soon we will be right back where we started
[12:25] <ajmitch> you think gfax from sid will be ok?
[12:25] <tseng> with me uploading every change straight to ubuntu
[12:25] <tseng> ajmitch: yes, meebey maintains it
[12:25] <ajmitch> that's what I thought..
[12:25] <tseng> i gave up trying to walk gfarris through doing it himself
[12:25] <ajmitch> dholbach: want me to put it through as a UVF exception for the team to decide on?
[12:26] <tseng> if I have a vote I vote yes already
[12:26] <ajmitch> slomo will vote yes
[12:27] <ajmitch> and siretart & dholbach are here already
[12:27] <tseng> ok.
[12:27] <dholbach> ajmitch: sounds good
[12:28] <ajmitch> reassigned, add comments where appropriate & I'll ask for a sync when done
[12:38] <pef> does a restriction exists right now for uploads to universe ? I've added a desktop file, and no confirmation e-mail of my upload
[12:39] <ajmitch> pef: no restrictions
[12:39] <ajmitch> check that you didn't accidentally set distro to unstable
[12:39] <ajmitch> hello pygi :)
[12:39] <pygi> hi ajmitch
[12:42] <pygi> ajmitch: long time no see :P
[12:42] <ajmitch> yeah
[12:43] <ajmitch> I thought I'd better find out about this ubuntu development thing before I submitted a proposal, you see
[12:43] <pygi> ajmitch: heh 
[12:44] <pef> ajmitch: had set to dapper, but still nothing, strange
[12:47] <pef> will check later...
[01:28] <mikl> eeh, where do you go, if you want a version bump of a package in dapper?
[01:38] <TomaszD> good question
[01:38] <TomaszD> wish there was 0.20.1 of quodlibet available.
[01:39] <Hobbsee> wonder why he wants it bumped..
[01:52] <crimsun> TomaszD: I'll try and whip up a uvfe req for that today
[01:52] <TomaszD> crimsun, cool, thanks!
[02:36] <Lathiat> whats lucas nussbaums irc nick?
[02:40] <LaserJock> Lathiat: lol, lucas
[02:40] <Lathiat> just checking cause wasnt online :)
[02:41] <LaserJock> siretart: ping?
[02:47] <truz24> Whats going on LaserJock
[02:48] <LaserJock> truz24: oh, not a whole lot. Got up nice and early for and Edubuntu meeting
[02:48] <truz24> So what is your research in for your PHD?
[02:51] <LaserJock> detecting molecular motors
[03:01] <Coyctecm> I think that cinelerra would be fine if found in universe/multiverse
[03:01] <Coyctecm> and jashaka
[03:16] <ajmitch> night all
[03:18] <LaserJock> ajmitch: just a sec
[03:19] <LaserJock> ajmitch: you merged praat?
[03:20] <tritium> good night, ajmitch
[03:21] <LaserJock> jeeze, I ask him to test it out and he steals my upload ;-)
[03:36] <siretart> LaserJock: pong
[03:37] <LaserJock> siretart: heah, I was just wondering about the praat UVFe
[03:37] <TomaszD> could I request another uvfe ? this time for Kino 0.8.1 http://www.kinodv.org/article/view/123/1/7/ .
[03:37] <TomaszD> I'm really looking forward to this release
[03:38] <LaserJock> siretart: ajmitch said he would upload it?
[03:40] <siretart> LaserJock: I'd suggest asking him himself, but I remember that because of a desktopfile, a sync wasn't possible
[03:40] <siretart> maybe I mix up things, though
[03:40] <LaserJock> siretart: yeah, but I had a package ready to go
[03:40] <LaserJock> so was just waiting for the ok.
[03:41] <siretart> LaserJock: if you can upload yourself, just assign the bug to you and do it
[03:42] <LaserJock> siretart: well, ajmitch already took care of it. I just wondered if there was a reason ajmitch was supposed to do it
[03:45] <siretart> LaserJock: no, he was just the first in sight
[03:45] <siretart> LaserJock: I'm experimenting if assigninging UVF requests to specific people improves the processing of them
[03:46] <siretart> rather than to leave them assigned to motu-uvf, that is
[03:47] <LaserJock> siretart: ok
[03:54] <zakame> hi all
[04:08] <kagou> hi
[04:08] <LaserJock> hi kagou
[04:09] <kagou> is there a nice developer for Bug #36753 ?
[04:09] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 36753 in gdesklets "upgrade to gDesklets 0.35.3" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/36753
[04:10] <kagou> like siretart asked me " then ask on #ubuntu-motu some developer to look at your bug, your package or whatever in order to get it to the archive"
[04:11] <kagou> so any volunteer ?!
[04:12] <LaserJock> hmm, that would require a Upstream Version Freeze exception this late in the release cycle
[04:12] <kagou> LaserJock: look description UVF is accepted
[04:13] <tritium> Does the status of bug #6687 mean that it was rejected for dapper?  That would be nice to get fixed...
[04:13] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 6687 in gnome-session "Options in system > preferences > sessions, various little problems" [Minor,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6687
[04:15] <LaserJock> kagou: nice, you did a lot of work on this
[04:15] <kagou> thanks LaserJock. I do my best. it's the minimum that i can do to help Ubuntu team.
[04:15] <LaserJock> tritium: I don't think so.
[04:17] <siretart> LaserJock: the uvf is granted, it needs someone to assemble and upload it
[04:17] <siretart> if nobody steps in, I'll handle it tonight
[04:17] <LaserJock> siretart: the debdiff looks pretty simple, I can sponsor the upload for kagou I think
[04:17] <tritium> LaserJock: you think it will get addressed, in other words?
[04:18] <LaserJock> tritium: yeah, there was a problem where a bunch of dapper tasks were created and they shouldn't have been, I think
[04:18] <tritium> I see...
[04:19] <LaserJock> kagou: so why did you chance the gdesklets-data dependency?
[04:19] <LaserJock> s/chance/change/
[04:19] <kagou> LaserJock: to close a bug. It's very simple. If you use the Add/Del software and you install gdesklets, gdesklets-data is not installed so gdesklets is not working
[04:21] <LaserJock> kagou: ok, give me a bit to build it for myself
[04:21] <kagou> np LaserJock
[04:26] <zakame> hmm bug 32252
[04:26] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 32252 in tuxpaint "Installs two desktop launchers in different sections" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/32252
[04:27] <LaserJock> zakame: probably 1 .desktop with multiple Categories
[04:28] <zakame> yep it seems
[04:29] <kagou> LaserJock: patch adding depend for gdesklets-data have been created for Bug #38080
[04:29] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 38080 in gdesklets "gdesklets should probably have dependency of gdesklets-data" [Normal,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/38080
[05:16] <LaserJock> slomo: ping?
[05:17] <slomo> LaserJock: pong
[05:17] <LaserJock> slomo: I'm fixing up gdesklets. kagou mentioned you said to remember to no install mime
[05:18] <slomo> LaserJock: to not install mime.cache, yes
[05:18] <slomo> LaserJock: look at the changelog of our current gdesklets for the reasons
[05:19] <LaserJock> yeah, do you know about "chmod 644 debian/gdesklets/usr/lib/gdesklets/NullObject.py" in rules?
[05:22] <slomo> LaserJock: no idea
[05:22] <slomo> LaserJock: NullObject.py was removed in the new version afaik anyway
[05:23] <LaserJock> that was what i was wondering
[05:23] <LaserJock> I'm trying to figure out what all needs to be merged back in
[05:23] <LaserJock> I've got the mime.cache and python-orbit dep done
[05:36] <LaserJock> welcome back kagou
[05:36] <kagou> LaserJock: :)
[05:44] <kengra> what programming language would you suggest i learn if i want to contribute? c++?
[05:45] <hub> to ubuntu?
[05:46] <kengra> hub, yes
[05:47] <hub> kengra: shell and eventually python
[05:47] <hub> most likely
[05:47] <hub> contributing to ubuntu is a lot of packaging task
[05:48] <hub> knowing other programming language is always a plus as it sometime allow to fix bugs in the program themself, but since the goal is not to patch too much...
[05:50] <kengra> so you would say that learning python would be a good place to start?
[05:50] <kengra> can you recommend a good developer tool?
[05:52] <hub> kengra: I don't know python
[05:52] <hub> that does not prevent me from being a motu
[05:55] <LaserJock> dholbach: ping?
[05:55] <dholbach> LaserJock: pong
[05:55] <LaserJock> dholbach: I'm preparing an upload of the new gdesklets
[05:55] <dholbach> LaserJock: nice
[05:55] <LaserJock> dholbach: and the .deb failes on the postrm
[05:56] <LaserJock> dholbach: with "touch: missing file operand"
[05:56] <LaserJock> dholbach: and the only place touch is called is by the dh_iconcache part
[05:56] <dholbach> LaserJock: get the new debhelper - adam fixed that
[05:56] <LaserJock> when?
[05:57] <LaserJock> I have a pretty updated system. let me dist-upgrad and try again
[06:10] <LaserJock> argg, I need a little help
[06:11] <LaserJock> apt doesn't work anymore
[06:11] <LaserJock> how do I force the removal of a package
[06:11] <zakame_away> dpkg --purge?
[06:13] <LaserJock> ugg, it is still failing on postrm and it insists I reinstall before removal
[06:13] <LaserJock> but I can reinstall for the same reason
[06:13] <LaserJock> s/can/can't/
[06:15] <LaserJock> dholbach: do you know of a way to get rid of package that has that dh_iconcache problem?
[06:15] <dholbach> LaserJock: get the new debhelper - adam fixed that
[06:16] <dholbach> LaserJock: build with new debhelper
[06:17] <bddebian> Heya gang
[06:18] <zakame> heya bddebian
[06:18] <LaserJock> dholbach: what I'm saying is I can't do anything with dpkg or apt-get because of it
[06:18] <bddebian> Heya zakame
[06:18] <LaserJock> dholbach: so I can't get a new debhelper
[06:19] <bddebian> Uh oh, what'd LaserJock break now? :-)
[06:19] <dholbach> LaserJock: edit .postrm
[06:19] <LaserJock> dholbach: ah, should have thought of that
[06:22] <Tonio_> hello
[06:24] <bddebian> Heya Tonio_
[06:25] <bddebian> siretart: ping?
[06:26] <Tonio_> hey bddebian
[06:26] <bddebian> or dholbach?
[06:28] <dholbach> bddebian: I'm quite busy - what is it?
[06:29] <bddebian> dholbach: siretart asked me to sync vnc4.  Can we do that now?
[06:29] <bddebian> Boy, I don't even get love from dholbach anymore :'-(
[06:30] <dholbach> bddebian: man, i'm just busy - sorry
[06:30] <dholbach> bddebian: if he said you can sync it, then go ahead - assign the bug to ubuntu-archive and say that it's ok to override ubuntu changes
[06:30] <dholbach> sorry, if i'm a bit blunt
[06:30] <bddebian> Oooh, OK, sorry
[06:30] <bddebian> NP
[06:30] <dholbach> i'll be better later :)
[06:30] <dholbach> promise
[06:30] <bddebian> No worries
[06:33] <Tonio_> hi dholbach
[06:33] <dholbach> hi Tonio_
[06:37] <LaserJock> bddebian: have you built vnc4?
[06:37] <bddebian> LaserJock: Yes and installed
[06:38] <bddebian> Crap, varconf probably should have been a UVF exception request instead of a sync request?
[06:53] <Tonio_> dholbach: Riddell is interested in libagg in dapper
[06:53] <Tonio_> dholbach: there is a debian package available, so it could eventually be sync, but we don't know the sync status
[06:54] <dholbach> Tonio_: make a request to get it synced or ask in #ubuntu-devel how happy everybody is with it
[06:54] <Tonio_> dholbach: what is the best way to do this actually ? sunchronizing or porting and getting it revued ?
[06:54] <Tonio_> dholbach: thanks
[06:54] <dholbach> build it, test it
[06:54] <dholbach> the file a bug, assign to ubuntu-archive
[06:54] <Tonio_> dholbach: sure I will in the first place
[06:54] <dholbach> describe why it's needed
[06:54] <dholbach> etc
[06:54] <Tonio_> dholbach: great thanks
[06:55] <bddebian> dholbach: Heh, suuure :-)
[06:58] <bddebian> LaserJock: Why's that? :)
[06:58] <LaserJock> bddebian: dapper-changes
[06:58] <bddebian> LaserJock: ?
[06:58] <LaserJock> I just uploaded a new upstream version of gdesklets
[06:59] <bddebian> Oh, nice :-)
[07:00] <jpatrick> LaserJock: oh, naughty
[07:01] <LaserJock> well, the first time I tried uploading it it was rejected because I forgot to include the new .orig.tar.gz
[07:01] <bddebian> tsk tsk :-)
[07:01] <LaserJock> which was good because I overlooked merging a couple things
[07:02] <LaserJock> so needless to say, I sure hope it works and slomo doesn't have my hide
[07:02] <slomo> LaserJock: i see everything ;)
[07:03] <LaserJock> but I've been up since 05:00 this morning
[07:03] <LaserJock> I'd like to just say that kagou did a great job with that UVF exception
[07:05] <LaserJock> anyway, I've done enough work/breakage for a bit. I got to get to work
[07:06] <bddebian> Later Laser_away
[07:07] <carthik> We need an motu-mentor program, don't we?
[07:07] <bddebian> Yes
[07:07] <bddebian> Someone needs to mentor my sorr arse :-)
[07:08] <carthik> bddebian, great, so let me know when we can get started :)
[07:08] <carthik> oh I thought you'd be my mentor ;)
[07:08] <bddebian> :-)
[07:09] <carthik> I wish I could help out with some of the more mechanical/rote tasks, is all.
[07:09] <bddebian> Bug triaging is a big help
[07:18] <bddebian> dholbach: Isn't the changelog diff there for varconf?
[07:20] <dholbach> that's for debian/changelog
[07:20] <dholbach> ChangeLog is a bit more informative
[07:24] <bddebian> Ahh, OK
[07:25] <bddebian> dholbach: Diff the upstream changelogs or just send the new changelog?
[07:27] <dholbach> diff upstream changelogs
[07:33] <bddebian> dholbach: sent
[07:36] <dholbach> bddebian: thanks
[07:37] <bddebian> dholbach: No, thank YOU :-)
[07:38] <LaserJock> carthik: when I first started I wanted to start a motu-mentor program
[07:38] <LaserJock> carthik: but really I think it is better to view #ubuntu-motu as your mentor
[07:39] <bddebian> Why, we never help anyone in here? ;-P
[07:41] <LaserJock> I'd like to start coming up with a curriculum for #ubuntu-motu-school though
[07:44] <dholbach> LaserJock: in the beginning of next release, I'd like to help with that
[07:45] <LaserJock> dholbach: yeah, I can't do it until the release. But I was thinking of using the Packaging Guide
[07:47] <dholbach> yeah and random stuff we come up with
[07:47] <LaserJock> which can also be encorporated back into the Packaging Guide
[07:47] <dholbach> yeah
[07:48] <LaserJock> I sure would like it to be more of a comunity thing than me running around trying to document everything
[07:48] <LaserJock> I don't mind being the doc team contact and handling the XML
[07:49] <bddebian> LaserJock: But you do it so well :-)
[07:49] <LaserJock> bddebian: I don't particularly think so, luckily crimsun helped proofreading
[07:50] <LaserJock> I was very worried I would have some serious Policy violation in there or something just out of shear ignorance
[07:51] <bddebian> LaserJock: Bah, ignorance is MY sepcialty
[07:52] <LaserJock> bddebian: that's what I like about you. we can be brothers in ignorance ;-)
[07:52] <bddebian> heh
[07:52] <LaserJock> but I've gotten fairly good reviews so far and there is even going to be a print version soon that people can get
[08:23] <carthik> LaserJock, that looks awesome (the packaging guide) - but a page describing how/when packages are normally "synced" with the latest from debian, a page describing how a normal ".desktop" bug is fixed etc, with steps would be helpful, imho
[08:23] <LaserJock> carthik: sure
[08:24] <carthik> The reason I said a mentor program would be nice is so that a wannabe has one guaranteed answering post :) (through email+IRC)
[08:26] <LaserJock> carthik: I can surely understand that, I was there myself
[08:27] <LaserJock> carthik: but being a mentor is pretty demanding and I think the MOTU survive on an atmosphere of community effort so getting help from many source is good
[08:29] <LaserJock> carthik: I would be more in favor of a mentor-team or something like that, but in esscence the MOTU is that already
[08:29] <LaserJock> if we can get the MOTU school fired up again that would probably help
[08:30] <Gloubiboulga> LaserJock, I agree with you, but maybe a mailing list could help more than IRC only
[08:30] <carthik> LaserJock, couldn't agree more. Besides, if a current MOTU finds a low-hanging fruit - it must be rather tempting to just pluck it than to show some wannabe how to pluck it.
[08:30] <LaserJock> Gloubiboulga: we have the ubuntu-motu list
[08:31] <Gloubiboulga> LaserJock, I don't see it as a "mentor" list
[08:31] <LaserJock> I agree
[08:31] <LaserJock> but there isn't anything that says it can't be really. I don't know how the other MOTUs would feel about that
[08:31] <LaserJock> it doesn't seem to be very high traffic these days
[08:32] <Gloubiboulga> true
[08:32] <LaserJock> Gloubiboulga: it would just take making people aware of it
[08:33] <LaserJock> carthik: I try to encourage Wannabes to grab that low-hanging fruit, but yeah, sometimes it is just easier to do it
[08:36] <LaserJock> it would be kinda nice to come up with a Wannabe To Do list that MOTUs can dump the low-hanging fruit
[09:03] <ohoel> anyone thinking about packaging GShare?
[09:03] <ohoel> ( http://yimports.com/~cpinto/projects/gnome/gshare ) looks promising
[09:29] <bluepixel> hey guys, what's the default gcc-version i should take to compile packages "ubuntu-conform"?
[09:29] <bluepixel> and the most important, what c/cxx/ld-flags
[09:30] <bluepixel> libc is 2.3.6 i guess
[09:31] <kagou> many thanks to LaserJock for uploading my UVF of gdesklets :)
[09:32] <LaserJock> kagou: well, you are doing good work there. I hope you keep it up
[09:32] <crimsun> bluepixel: gcc. none. 2.3.6 in dapper.
[09:33] <kagou> :)
[09:34] <bluepixel> crimsun: ah okay, what about compiler flags?
[09:34] <crimsun> bluepixel: see the "none".
[09:34] <bluepixel> i see ;) yes ok thanks
[09:58] <kagou> see you later
[09:59] <LaserJock> cya kagou
[10:17] <dholbach> good night motu world
[10:18] <LaserJock> cya dholbach
[10:19] <pygi> night dholbach
[10:20] <dholbach> night LaserJock, night pygi
[11:28] <ajmitch> morning all
[11:31] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[11:31] <Mithrandir> hi ajmitch, bddebian
[11:31] <bddebian> Heya Mithrandir
[11:40] <LaserJock> hi ajmitch, upload stealer ;-)
[11:40] <ajmitch> LaserJock: sure, I'll hand in my key now..
[11:40] <LaserJock> ajmitch: you gonna close the praat UVFe request?
[11:41] <ajmitch> no, then I'll be stealing it from you
[11:41] <LaserJock> well, it is assigned to you
[11:42] <LaserJock> done
[11:42] <bddebian> Catch you in a while folks
[11:57] <LaserJock> if I edited a postinst script in /var/lib/dpkg/info will it take effect when I run dpkg?
[11:59] <TheMuso> LaserJock: Yes it should.