[12:59] <Riddell> Tonio_: libagg, because it's needed by people developing kde 4
[01:25] <Drakeson> do we have rubygems in repos?
[01:29] <Lathiat> no
[01:29] <Lathiat> its on the todo list
[01:30] <Riddell> Drakeson: sounds like a good change to learn deb packaging
[01:32] <abattoir> Riddell: Did you by any chance reply to my message? was away an then dropped my computer ;) 
[01:35] <Riddell> abattoir: sounds good
[01:36] <Riddell> abattoir: if you have time it would be really useful to have a wiki page that describes a walkthrough of the current OEM installer with a few screenshots
[01:36] <abattoir> Riddell: the Ubuntu one right?
[01:37] <abattoir> ok
[01:37] <Riddell> yes
[01:37] <Riddell> just if you have time :)
[01:38] <abattoir> have exams, but there is always time :)
[01:38] <abattoir>  will do, thank you.
[01:38] <Lathiat> Riddell: probably not the simplest of packages to try for the first time
[01:53] <Drakeson> Riddell: oh! I have always known I am doomed to learn it :)
[01:55] <Drakeson> I dare not to ask it in #debian though
[01:55] <Riddell> Drakeson: here or #ubuntu-motu for help
[01:56] <Riddell> we have a fairly good wiki page to get you started, and there's the new packaging guide too
[02:01] <crimsun> Drakeson: go to doc.ubuntu.com, and follow the packaging guide link in the lower right
[02:06] <Drakeson> thanks :)
[02:29] <Riddell> Tonio_: another default settings challenge for you, openoffice draw appears in both Office and Graphics in the k-menu
[02:58] <pradeepto> Riddell: ahoy!
[02:59] <pradeepto> Riddell: a *fair* bit of debian packaging knowledge, is that enough to contribute?
[02:59] <pradeepto> Riddell: or you need to be a GURU!!
[02:59] <Riddell> no need to be a guru
[03:00] <Riddell> there's always something that can be fixed
[03:00] <pradeepto> hmmm nice.
[03:00] <pradeepto> Riddell: so can somebody work on a package on his own box ? Or do we need to ssh to some box? Or chroot?
[03:01] <pradeepto> Riddell: and how does somebody submit the work done? As in the new package?
[03:01] <Riddell> make it on your own box, upload to revu and poke someone with upload rights to review and upload
[03:02] <pradeepto> Riddell: what is revu?
[03:03] <Riddell> a place to upload packages for review
[03:03] <Riddell> http://revu.tauware.de/
[03:04] <pradeepto> ahh thanks
[03:05] <pradeepto> Riddell: how do I find out what packaged need to be packaged? Do you/somebody assign them ?
[03:05] <pradeepto> *packages
[03:06] <Riddell> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MOTU/Packages/Candidates
[03:06] <Riddell> always check that packages don't exist already in revu, ubuntu, debian or elsewhere
[03:07] <pradeepto> ah that ways
[03:07] <pradeepto> thanks man
[03:24] <freeflying> Riddell: around?
[03:24] <Riddell> freeflying: hi
[03:25] <freeflying> Riddell: need we provide a extra cd for kubuntu?
[03:26] <Riddell> not really feasable, firstly I don't know how to do it and secondly whatever software we put on there we'd end up with people saying we missed stuff off and then we'd end up with 10 CDs
[03:28] <freeflying> heh, that;s true,how about provide those language support package?
[03:29] <Riddell> I'll put them on the CDs once I know how much free space we have, which is when the windows software gets done
[05:19] <mdz> Riddell: knetworkmanager and wlassistant promoted
[05:20] <Riddell> mdz: excellent, thanks
[05:22] <Hobbsee> anyone want to do my chem lab for me?
[05:22] <Hobbsee> :P
[05:24] <mdz> Hobbsee: want to trade todo lists?
[05:24] <Hobbsee> mdz: hmmm...could be fun
[05:25] <Hobbsee> you'd have to do the phys prac that i walked out of yesterday as well...
[07:11] <pygi> mornin;
[10:26] <Hobbsee> !backup
[10:26] <Hobbsee> oops
[10:33] <raphink> hi Hobbsee
[10:34] <Hobbsee> hey raphink 
[10:36] <Hobbsee> ooh fun...what's LPI?
[10:36] <pygi> certificate
[10:36] <pygi> It was at least last time I checked :P
[10:39] <Hobbsee> nice :)
[10:40] <raphink> yeah but I'm not prepared
[10:40] <raphink> lol
[10:40] <raphink> and I'm having it in 15 minutes
[10:41] <pygi> :-P
[10:41] <pygi> raphink: no worries...it's preety easy :)
[10:41] <raphink> ok :)
[10:43] <pygi> raphink: and good luck :)
[10:44] <raphink> thanks
[10:44] <raphink> I'm going :)
[10:44] <raphink> ++
[11:43] <Hobbsee_away> Riddell: do you know why this occurs?  this is with your kde 3.5.2 packages for breezy.  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/13383
[01:17] <Tonio_> hehe, work day already over ;)
[01:17] <Tonio_> hi all
[01:18] <Hobbsee> hey Tonio_ 
[01:18] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: ;)
[01:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: ping ? I have infos concerning the workarround for OOo draw desktop file
[01:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: the only problem is that this requires providing the modified icon in k-d-s
[01:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: or we can patch the one in the OOo package, but that will impact ubuntu
[01:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: you choose the best
[01:52] <Tonio_> Categories=Application;Office;Graphics;X-Red-Hat-Base;X-SuSE-Core-Office;
[01:52] <Tonio_> here is the problem....
[01:53] <Tonio_> should remove redhat and suse stuff and choose between office and graphics
[02:02] <Riddell> it should be possible to edit the kde menu file to put it in the right place
[02:24] <allee> Tonio_: hi, raphink tells me you ponder if you should bring a TFT ( + computer) to linuxtag on saturday, right?
[02:25] <allee> Tonio_: If it's not too much trouble for you it would be nice.  On saturday we expect much more people.
[02:27] <Tonio_> allee: I can yes, no pb
[02:27] <allee> Tonio_: if you do, please have everything preconfigured already (including german langpack) it's not that easy to find time to set everything up.
[02:27] <Tonio_> allee: no problem, except I have a french keyboard
[02:27] <Tonio_> that could be an issue
[02:27] <allee> Tonio_: a monitor alone (if bigger than 14''!) is also okay
[02:27] <Tonio_> the computer is little (shuttle) so I can bring it
[02:28] <Tonio_> monitor is 17" tft
[02:28] <allee> Tonio_: well, when yuu or raphink demo it french kb is no problem ;)
[02:28] <Tonio_> allee: if you have keyboard + mouse, I can bring computer + screen
[02:28] <Tonio_> allee: okay, then I'll come with the full computer
[02:29] <allee> Tonio_: an usb keyboard is here, but in this case only a TFT is fine, because otherwise the other computer has not keyboard ;)
[02:29] <Tonio_> allee: I'll come with the full pack
[02:29] <allee> Tonio_: that's great!
[02:31] <Tonio_> allee: except sound pack, to heavy to be taken by train ;)
[02:40] <Tonio_> allee: I'm configuring a guest profile with german by default :)
[02:42] <Tonio_> allee: is there cabled network access ? I don't have wifi key or card for that machine
[03:19] <MrFaber> hi all
[03:19] <MrFaber> hi Tonio_, are you the maintainer of the knetworkmanager?
[03:21] <Tonio_> MrFaber: yes
[03:21] <MrFaber> Tonio_: I have problems with it. Have you some spare time or should I post it in launchpad?
[03:21] <Tonio_> depends on the issue, what happens ?
[03:22] <MrFaber> Just for description it only shows me "NetworkManager is not running" and Help and Quit, nothing more
[03:22] <MrFaber> I couldn't do anything with it
[03:22] <Tonio_> MrFaber: you are the second personn reporting this...
[03:23] <Tonio_> first personn had to reboot to get it work
[03:23] <Tonio_> MrFaber: I suspect it is a bug with network-manager not launching properly at first boot
[03:23] <Tonio_> MrFaber: did you try to reboot ?
[03:23] <MrFaber> I had several reboots since install
[03:23] <MrFaber> And I had the same problem with last version
[03:23] <Tonio_> MrFaber: did you try to purge packages and retry ?
[03:24] <MrFaber> Purge which packets?
[03:24] <Tonio_> maybe you miss a dep
[03:24] <Tonio_> sudo apt-get remove network-manager knetwork-manager
[03:24] <Tonio_> sudo apt-get autoclean
[03:24] <Tonio_> then remove all knetworkmanager entries in the kwallet if any
[03:24] <MrFaber> without --purge?
[03:24] <MrFaber> I have no one
[03:24] <Tonio_> MrFaber: can do with purge too
[03:25] <MrFaber> knetworkmanager never works for me
[03:25] <Tonio_> MrFaber: okay, that the oportunity to guest what happens ;)
[03:25] <Tonio_> so purge everything
[03:25] <Tonio_> then reinstall knetworkmanager
[03:25] <Tonio_> check if it install network-manager as a dep, reboot and let me know
[03:25] <Tonio_> we could resolve the issue on the other machine like that
[03:26] <MrFaber> Recommended packages:
[03:26] <MrFaber>   network-manager-gnome network-manager-kde
[03:26] <MrFaber> Maybe the recommend packages are needed?
[03:26] <Tonio_> nope
[03:26] <Lure> MrFaber: they are not
[03:26] <MrFaber> Ok, it installs network-manager again
[03:26] <Tonio_> network-manager-kde is the same than knetworkmanager
[03:26] <MrFaber> ok, I reboot
[03:26] <MrFaber> bbl
[03:26] <Tonio_> purge knetworkmanager too
[03:27] <MrFaber> I remove both with purge
[03:27] <MrFaber> sudo apt-get --purge remove network-manager knetworkmanager
[03:27] <MrFaber> I have auto-cleaned and reinstalled it
[03:27] <MrFaber> ok, rebooting
[03:31] <MrFaber> Tonio_: still doesn't work
[03:31] <MrFaber> Tonio_: \sh wanted a log of strace with knetwormanager
[03:32] <MrFaber> But I have to go offline and he wasn't online after that at least I haven't see him
[03:32] <MrFaber> A file wasn't loaded or something like that
[03:32] <Tonio_> MrFaber: can you tell me what happens with ps aux | grep manager | grep network
[03:33] <MrFaber> user      5349  0.5  0.8  28844 12988 pts/2    S    15:30   0:00 knetworkmanager
[03:33] <Tonio_> no session id ?
[03:33] <MrFaber> this is the only output
[03:33] <MrFaber> Session ID?
[03:33] <Tonio_> tonio     5219  0.0  1.3  30904 13976 ?        S    13:16   0:00 knetworkmanager [kdeinit]  -session 10d9e9d775000114640649800000053220020_1146726767_981566
[03:33] <Tonio_> I'm getting this
[03:34] <MrFaber> Tonio_: I have started knetworkmanager with console
[03:34] <Tonio_> MrFaber: ok
[03:35] <Tonio_> ps aux | grep Network
[03:35] <Tonio_> what does this give you ?
[03:35] <Tonio_> I really suspect a network-manager issue more than a knm one
[03:35] <MrFaber> root      4381  0.0  0.0   2812  1068 ?        Ss   15:29   0:00 /usr/sbin/NetworkManagerDispatcher --pid-file=/var/run/NetworkManager/NetworkManagerDispatcher.pid
[03:35] <MrFaber> user      5392  1.0  0.0   2884   812 pts/2    R+   15:35   0:00 grep Network
[03:36] <Tonio_> root      4227  0.0  0.1  12124  1972 ?        Ssl  13:15   0:00 /usr/sbin/NetworkManager --pid-file=/var/run/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.pid
[03:36] <Tonio_> nothing like this ?
[03:36] <MrFaber> no
[03:36] <MrFaber> nothing like this
[03:36] <Tonio_> I have dispatcher, but you miss one of the components
[03:36] <Tonio_> that's it
[03:36] <Tonio_> NetworkManager fails on your computer
[03:36] <MrFaber> How to start or fix it?
[03:36] <Tonio_> MrFaber: no idea
[03:36] <MrFaber> Ok, then sorry :)
[03:36] <Tonio_> you can try to launch it manually 
[03:36] <Tonio_> but that's your error
[03:37] <MrFaber> How to start it manually?
[03:37] <Tonio_> NetworkManager
[03:37] <Tonio_> ;)
[03:37] <MrFaber> ok, case sensitive :)
[03:37] <Tonio_> with sudo of course
[03:37] <Tonio_> yup
[03:37] <Tonio_> you should create a launchpad bug containing those infos and the result of ps aux | grep Network
[03:38] <Tonio_> but concerning network-manager more than knm ;)
[03:38] <MrFaber> ok, I am going to try it
[03:38] <MrFaber> of course
[03:38] <MrFaber> :)
[03:38] <Tonio_> MrFaber: great ;)
[03:38] <Tonio_> I will try to investigate what happens, but the only thing I'm sure is that it is relative to the backend and not the frontend
[03:39] <MrFaber> http://pastebin.ca/53528
[03:40] <MrFaber> eth0 is wired and eth1 wireless
[03:41] <MrFaber> Tonio_: Or is the Dapper 21 Kernel needed? I am useing the Dapper 20 Kernel
[03:43] <Tonio_> MrFaber: not sure........ I can't test here, I don't have my laptop to compare.......
[03:43] <Tonio_> MrFaber: all be know is that this is a nm bug
[03:43] <MrFaber> Ok, thanks for help, I trying to post it in launchpad unter NetworkManger
[03:43] <Tonio_> MrFaber: yes post on launchpad, I will browse the net to find out something talking about this
[03:43] <MrFaber> thx :)
[03:43] <MrFaber> cu
[03:44] <Tonio_> ceya :)
[04:55] <OculusAquilae> Riddell: ping
[04:59] <Riddell> OculusAquilae: hi
[05:00] <OculusAquilae> Riddell: hi
[05:01] <OculusAquilae> Riddell: what about some package translations via rosetta (the crystal-windeco, gtk-qt-engine and keep are noch translatable)
[05:03] <OculusAquilae> Riddell: would be nice to have that translatable, too.
[05:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: ping ?
[05:21] <Riddell> OculusAquilae: I'm actually planning  look at those later today
[05:21] <Riddell> OculusAquilae: thanks for the list :)
[05:21] <Riddell> Tonio_: hi
[05:21] <Tonio_> hey Riddell
[05:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: are you okay to provide a modified version of ooo draw in k-d-s ?
[05:21] <OculusAquilae> (ok, but I really don't know if it's complete)
[05:22] <Tonio_> it appears the file merging doesn't work for desktop files, so we have to provide a complete version
[05:22] <Tonio_> I'm not fine with this
[05:22] <Tonio_> but that's the only way to do, unless we redefine the fill kmenueditrc file, which is dirty too
[05:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: better would be to patch ooo directly, but I don't know if that will impact ubuntu too
[05:23] <jjesse> hmm anyone having problems browsing smb shares recently?
[05:23] <jjesse> updated this morning and cannot browse
[05:23] <Tonio_> jjesse: didn't recently....
[05:24] <jjesse> hmmm ok, will have to try and figure it out
[05:24] <Tonio_> jjesse: tried with smb4k ?
[05:24] <jjesse> trying through konqi
[05:24] <Tonio_> could be usefull to test if the issue is a kde one or an smb ;)
[05:24] <jjesse> smb://sharename
[05:25] <Tonio_> jjesse: you should try smb4k
[05:25] <jjesse> ok
[05:29] <Riddell> Tonio_: that's not very nice
[05:29] <Riddell> Tonio_: can't it be done by editing /etc/xdg/menus/kde-applications.menu ?
[05:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: I can try to place an exclusion here
[05:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: the problem is on the Categories line of the desktop file, where there are both Office and Graphics sections
[05:32] <OculusAquilae> is there a reason for the shortcuts in konversation vor switching between the tabs ist alt+left/right instead of strg+./,?
[05:32] <Tonio_> I need first to look at gnome to know where it appears
[05:33] <OculusAquilae> i thought strg+,/. is kde standard
[05:33] <Tonio_> Riddell:  /etc/xdg/menus/kde-applications.menu works with categories
[05:37] <Tonio_> OculusAquilae: none applications have the same shortcut, so sabdfl asked for a standard
[05:38] <Tonio_> OculusAquilae: ctrl + page up/down was choosen
[05:38] <Tonio_> concerning the others I kept the original setting
[05:38] <OculusAquilae> ?
[05:39] <OculusAquilae> ah ok
[05:39] <OculusAquilae> but konqueror and konversation both supported strg+./, to switch
[05:40] <OculusAquilae> before this change
[05:42] <Lure> Riddell: is Flight 7 Live candidate already here: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/20060504/dapper-live-i386.iso
[05:43] <Riddell> Lure: yes, please test
[05:44] <Riddell> install candidates are there too, but I'm onto them already
[05:44] <Riddell> Tonio_: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/698176
[05:44] <Lure> downloading now...
[05:44] <Riddell> I'm a genius
[05:44] <jjesse> why today are you a genius?
[05:45] <Riddell> because I just managed to get the xdg menu thingy to do what I wanted it to do
[05:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: you know what ? I was just making the diff ;)
[05:45] <jjesse> well then congrats :)
[05:45] <Riddell> and Tonio_ is a genius too :)
[05:45] <Tonio_> but yes, you're (at the moment) faster than me, by far ;)
[05:46] <Tonio_> Riddell: gimme 10 years, and we'll challenge equaly ;)
[05:46] <Tonio_> that filename possibility is very interesting, I'll remember this ;)
[05:48] <jjesse> Tonio_: smb4k hangs when it is trying to enumerate the shares
[05:48] <Tonio_> jjesse: hum....... unfair...
[05:48] <Tonio_> jjesse: I'm just sorry not to be able to confirm the issue....
[05:49] <jjesse> Tonio_: are you using knetworkmanager as well (would that have any effect on it?)
[05:49] <Tonio_> jjesse: I do
[05:49] <Tonio_> on my laptop at least 2 weeks ago, both knm and sbm were working nicelly
[05:50] <Tonio_> but since I gave my laptop to my girlfriend, I cannot test....
[05:50] <jjesse> hmmm
[05:50] <bddebian> Howdy folks
[05:50] <Lure> jjesse: smb:// works for me with knm, but what is smb4k?
[05:50] <Riddell> jjesse: bah, knetworkmanager and wlassistant aren't on the CDs, I didn't update the kubuntu-meta package in time
[05:50] <Riddell> hi bddebian 
[05:50] <jjesse> Lure: i can't browse smb shares from konqi
[05:50] <Riddell> everyone: we have to show to bddebian that we're more responsive than #xubuntu
[05:51] <Lure> bddebian: shot! ;-)
[05:51] <jjesse> welcome to #kubuntu-devel bddebian
[05:52] <freeflying> Riddell: we also more than edubuntu, hehe
[05:59] <bddebian> Hehe, thx Lure, jjesse :-)
[06:03] <allee> welcome bddebian :)
[06:04] <bddebian> Ah Hi, thx allee.  I've seen your name on a few bug reports :-)
[06:04] <bddebian> Any of you have any peon work you need done?
[06:12] <Lure> who ever sent me last message, caused my Konversation to crash... :-(
[06:12] <Tonio_> Lure: concerning smb4k, it is a tool to manage share dynamically
[06:12] <Tonio_> like you can do on windows
[06:12] <Tonio_> auto-mount shares on kde start, with predefined login/password
[06:13] <Lure> Tonio_: will try, I type in all my smb:// addresses directly
[06:13] <Tonio_> Lure: if you use smb a lot, you should give a shot, that's a very nice tool
[06:15] <freeflying> Tonio_: any reasons why smb4k is not in main now?
[06:15] <Tonio_> freeflying: nobody asked ?? ;)
[06:15] <Riddell> freeflying: konqueror already does smb shares
[06:16] <Riddell> manage them through the remote:/ ioslave
[06:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: true, but there is no easy way to store passwords
[06:16] <freeflying> Riddell: smb4k may works fine than konqueror's
[06:16] <Tonio_> except making desktop files containing them in the url...
[06:17] <Tonio_> Riddell: to use smb activelly in a companu's environment, it is sometime a pain to type passwords 10 times a day
[06:17] <Tonio_> Riddell: in a professionnal context, smb4k is clearly a must have
[06:17] <Tonio_> for temp usage, konqueror is perfect, I agree on this
[06:18] <Riddell> so you can't just tick the "Remember this password" box?
[06:18] <Lure> Tonio_: kpowersave 0.6.1 will be release next week (same as suse src.rpm)
[06:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: not to what I remember
[06:18] <Tonio_> that part of konqueror doesn't interact with kwallet
[06:19] <freeflying> Lure: what changes
[06:19] <Tonio_> but maybe that changed, since I use only smb4k since kde 3.4.1
[06:19] <Lure> freeflying: just bugfixes 
[06:19] <Tonio_> Lure: perfect
[06:19] <Lure> hi raphink__
[06:19] <Tonio_> Lure: will be interesting to get kpowersave by default for edgy
[06:20] <freeflying> Lure: seems we can not get UVFe now
[06:20] <Tonio_> since it is designed to "test technologies", we will be more "free" for that kind of changes
[06:20] <Lure> Tonio_: that is my plan - but we need better integration with acpi-support then
[06:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: let me test those password things
[06:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: I forgot my company's vpn access ;)
[06:22] <Lure> Tonio_: if interested in Linux PM - see this 
[06:22] <Lure> (no debugging symbols found)
[06:22] <Lure> Using host libthread_db library "/lib/tls/i686/cmov/libthread_db.so.1".
[06:22] <Lure> (no debugging symbols found)
[06:22] <Lure> (no debugging symbols found)
[06:22] <Lure> (no debugging symbols found)
[06:22] <Lure> (no debugging symbols found)
[06:22] <apokryphos> :)
[06:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: http://www.planetemu.net/temp/capture1.png
[06:22] <Riddell> Lure: pastebin is your friend
[06:22] <Lure> sorry - wrong paste buffer (again ;-))
[06:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: no password saving..........
[06:23] <Riddell> Tonio_: curious, I wonder why
[06:23] <Tonio_> Lure: yes that's quite common (pain)
[06:23] <Lure> Riddell: no, I did not want to past that just one URL... ;-)
[06:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: no idea....... but smb4k is the perfect solution to this
[06:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: another point, smb4k manages REAL mounts
[06:23] <Tonio_> gtk apps are not a problem
[06:23] <Tonio_> no kio usage
[06:23] <Lure> Tonio_: if you want more on Linux PM - see http://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/181888/1a68de05c8edfc3f/ 
[06:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's why it is so interesting in companies, since you have lots of gtk apps widely used (gimp, evolution etc...)
[06:24] <raphink-pbook> pfiew
[06:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: opening a gimp format on a smb share will fail with konqueror, but work with smb4k
[06:26] <Tonio_> Riddell: ho, and Openoffice fails with the smb protocol
[06:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: those are I think extremelly good reason to avoid kio usage concerning smb
[06:27] <Riddell> thought it might, we should remove that from the .desktop files then
[06:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: maybe
[06:28] <Tonio_> but well, since the usage of smb4k is specific, it can stay in universe
[06:28] <Tonio_> not "all" users need it
[06:29] <Riddell> well it's not an uncommon usecase
[06:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum, yes
[06:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: considering smb4k for main ?
[06:29] <Tonio_> it gives the same that windows using autoreconnect on shares in fact, and you get the shares in your home directory
[06:30] <freeflying> Tonio_: guys in LAN will use samba often,so smb4k is quite useful
[06:30] <Tonio_> that's very convenient
[06:30] <Tonio_> freeflying: yes true
[06:30] <Riddell> but best would be to fix the smb support in konqueror
[06:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: the problem will always be with gtk apps.... we cannot fix all of them
[06:30] <Riddell> this Barry deFreese is clogging up my e-mail :)
[06:30] <Riddell> Tonio_: doesn't gtk apps have an smb vfs?
[06:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: dunno, I never use gtk apps ;)
[06:31] <Tonio_> I assume most have, but as for kde, there are certainly applications not supporting this...
[06:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: remember kate not dealing with kioslaves recently
[06:32] <Riddell> bddebian: you use gnome no?  don't they support smb URLs?
[06:32] <Riddell> Tonio_: no?  didn't it?
[06:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: we had problems with kio media
[06:32] <Tonio_> like kaffeine, everything was copied to a tmp folder
[06:33] <Tonio_> well it is easy to fix the desktop file, but generally, direct mounting is always better than a kio
[06:33] <Tonio_> since you are using it in a transparent way, aka no issues
[06:34] <Tonio_> same reason we had to fix the system kicker applet to use ~ instead of kio-system....
[06:35] <freeflying> kio works so slow 
[06:35] <Tonio_> freeflying: totally agree, browsing using smb4k is 10 times faster than kio smb in any case
[06:36] <Lure> Riddell: live CD boots fine, will run Ubiquity in my language
[06:36] <freeflying> Tonio_: not only the samba stuf using kio, but also others 
[06:36] <Riddell> Lure: good luck :)
[06:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: even amarok had issues browsing with kios
[06:36] <Tonio_> it was resolved only recently
[06:36] <Lure> Riddell: ;-)
[06:37] <Lure> Riddell: BTW, adept notifier notifies mi with alert icon, but claims "No updates"
[06:37] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm sorry I can't help you to test ubiquity, since I only have one machine now.........
[06:37] <Lure> Riddell: then it disapears in a minute or so...
[06:37] <Tonio_> Lure: yes already een this
[06:37] <Riddell> Lure: poke mornfall 
[06:38] <Lure> Riddell: will do
[06:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: maybe it is this "copy to tmp before execution" thing
[06:39] <freeflying> Tonio_: heh, that's the issue, kio will use tmp, but not directly
[06:39] <Tonio_> freeflying: possibly yes
[06:39] <Tonio_> desktop files are really poorly documented...
[06:40] <Tonio_> there are lots of options you simply cannot find any information on the web
[06:40] <mornfall> Lure: poke me when i get out of shower ;)
[06:40] <mornfall> --> shower
[06:40] <Lure> mornfall: -)
[06:40] <freeflying> mornfall: hi
[06:40] <Tonio_> mornfall: hey
[06:41] <Lure> Riddell: crash...
[06:41] <freeflying> mornfall: have you patched ept to unset QT_IM_MODULE?
[06:41] <Riddell> Lure: python or C++?
[06:41] <Lure> partman/filesystem_short doesn't exist
[06:41] <Lure> will submit the bug with python traceback
[06:42] <bddebian> Riddell: Sorry! :-)  AFAIK, Gnome can handle smb URLs
[06:42] <Riddell> Lure: give me the bug number when you do
[06:42] <bddebian> Man, I have forgotten more about KDE than I ever knew I think :-(
[06:42] <Riddell> so in theory you should be able to open files from smb:/ in gnome
[06:42] <Riddell> assuming the URL syntax is the same
[06:47] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm testing with gimp
[06:48] <Tonio_> Riddell: Could not open '/home/tonio/smb://osint%5Camercatante@192.168.100.1/trav/Reseau%20local/capture1.png' for reading
[06:49] <Riddell> where does it get that path from?
[06:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: sbm with konqueror, and right clicking a png file :)
[06:50] <Tonio_> I don't know how is the path sent to the program, certainly exec param for the right click action
[06:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: maybe the url method is different in kde and gnome
[06:51] <Tonio_> so that sbm:/ will work with gimp and gnome but fail with konq ? is that possible ?
[06:51] <Tonio_> firefox fails opening an html file too...
[06:52] <bddebian> I can't imagine that /home/foo/bar/smb: working in anything.  Or are you saying you only get that path in Konqueror?
[06:53] <Tonio_> bddebian: nope, the path in konq is simply sbm:/
[06:53] <Tonio_> but when I right click on the file and select "open with gimp"
[06:53] <Tonio_> I'm getting this, and the error is exactly the same with firefox
[06:54] <bddebian> Hmm
[06:55] <Tonio_> the interesting point would be to know if gimp + gnome works over sbm:/
[06:56] <Tonio_> since the desktop file is unique, the "exec" parameters should give the same result
[06:57] <bddebian> But isn't it using mime info to resolve that?
[06:58] <marseillai> Riddell: in system settings with the module wich configure the partition is it possible to configure it with giving first create user as owner ?
[06:58] <marseillai> for vfat partition only
[06:59] <Tonio_> bddebian: I though it was, but now I'm unsure...
[07:00] <bddebian> Hmm
[07:01] <Tonio_> bddebian: I'm locating mime types referring to smb
[07:01] <Tonio_> bddebian: they do cintain kde directives, but no gnome ones
[07:01] <Tonio_> aren't gnome and kde sharing the same mime types in theory ?
[07:01] <bddebian> Tonio_: In theory :-)
[07:02] <Tonio_> bddebian: hehe
[07:02] <Tonio_> bddebian: can we compare this ?
[07:02] <bddebian> Tonio_: Sure
[07:02] <Tonio_> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/698344
[07:02] <Tonio_> here is what I have
[07:04] <Tonio_> bddebian: do you have other files I don't ?
[07:09] <Lure> Tonio_: firefox and gimp are only gtk app and not gnome (afaik)
[07:10] <Tonio_> Lure: is there the same difference than between kde and qt apps ?
[07:10] <Lure> Riddell: on second Live CD boot (this time in English) KDE Desktop crashed (no backtrace, no gdb) and no icons on desktop
[07:10] <Lure> Tonio_: similar gtk (Gimp ToolKit) is GUI toolkit, similar to Qt
[07:11] <Lure> Tonio_: firefox is technically not gnome app, but just uses GUI toolkit that is used by all GNOME apps
[07:12] <bddebian> Tonio_: Egads, I don't get anything but icons :)
[07:13] <Tonio_> Lure: I (of course) know what is gtk and the equivalence to qt ;)
[07:14] <Tonio_> Lure: I simply didn't knew there was gnome libs, I though the applications were all pure gtk based for compatibility with xfce etc....
[07:14] <Lure> Tonio_: far from equivalence - Qt is *much* better ;-)
[07:14] <Tonio_> Lure: that was an image ;)
[07:14] <Tonio_> it is technically equivalent, not quality equivalent :)
[07:15] <Lure> Tonio_: gnome-vfs is their copy of kio slaves....
[07:15] <Tonio_> Lure: I also know that, and I would be interested to know if gimp for example works over that
[07:16] <Tonio_> bddebian: hum.... so I assume this is not managed with mime types then ;)
[07:16] <Lure> Tonio_: apt-cache depends gimp| grep gnome
[07:17] <Lure> Tonio_: apt-cache depends network-manager-gnome | grep gnome
[07:17] <Lure> first does not, the second does depend on gnomevfs
[07:17] <Tonio_> Lure: hehe, okay :) I see
[07:17] <Tonio_> I'm so newbie concerning gnome.......
[07:18] <bddebian> That's OK, I'm n00b for everything :-(
[07:18] <Tonio_> bddebian: lol
[07:18] <Tonio_> bddebian: as we say in french "on est tous le con de quelqu'un !"
[07:18] <Tonio_> means "we all are the stupid pending of another person"
[07:19] <Tonio_> ;)
[07:19] <Lure> Tonio_: I am first time playing with Kubuntu in Slovene - are boot messages supposed to be localized?
[07:20] <Tonio_> Lure: not with french as far as I know ;)
[07:20] <bddebian> I don't even understand: Bug #36865
[07:20] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 36865 in kdebase "Can't build index for man pages" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/36865
[07:21] <Lure> Tonio_: ok, I thoght that these are hardcoded in scripts
[07:22] <mornfall> freeflying: patched, yes, not uploaded yet
[07:22] <mornfall> Lure: what's the prob?
[07:23] <MrFaber> Tonio_: I could start NetworkManager if I remove the eth1 lines in /etc/network/interfaces
[07:23] <Lure> mornfall: when I boot Kubuntu live cd, notifier shows alert icon, but when I hoover it says "no updates"
[07:23] <MrFaber> Tonio_: I just added my comment to https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/37084/+index
[07:23] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 37084 in network-manager "network-manager crashes because of old ways configuration" [Major,Confirmed]  
[07:23] <Tonio_> MrFaber: interesting
[07:23] <Lure> mornfall: icon then disapears in 1-2 minutes 
[07:24] <Tonio_> MrFaber: network-manager is supposed to ignore them, not crashing :)
[07:24] <MrFaber> Tonio_: Knetworkmanager works great
[07:24] <Tonio_> MrFaber: yes, that's a network-manager issue
[07:24] <Lure> MrFaber: can you past your /etc/network/interfaces file - I thought that this was fixed already
[07:24] <Tonio_> Lure: I though too
[07:24] <MrFaber> of course
[07:24] <Tonio_> bddebian: one thing is sure, htdig isn't installed on a default kubuntu installation
[07:25] <Tonio_> bddebian: that may explain
[07:25] <Lure> Tonio_: I had so many corrupted /e/n/i files when testing knetworkconf, that I am supprised n-m did not crash for me ;-)
[07:25] <mornfall> Lure: ah ah, should be fixed
[07:25] <mornfall> Lure: in svn that is :] 
[07:25] <Lure> mornfall: ok, fine - it is minor issue anyhow (may confuse new users though)
[07:25] <Tonio_> bddebian: oups htdig3.2 is sorry ;)
[07:25] <bddebian> Tonio_: Ah, hmm
[07:26] <mornfall> Riddell: maybe it's almost time for another upload? this weekend?
[07:27] <Tonio_> bddebian: that's a dependancy issue
[07:27] <bddebian> Who is Francois?
[07:28] <Tonio_> I installed those packages : gawk htdig libdb2 liblockfile1 lockfile-progs
[07:28] <Tonio_> bddebian: the issue is gone :)
[07:28] <Tonio_> bddebian: I'm removing them one by one to detect the one really missing
[07:28] <bddebian> Tonio_: Bug stealer ;-P
[07:28] <MrFaber> Tonio_: maybe I found the bug, shame over me :(
[07:29] <Tonio_> bddebian: haha
[07:29] <Riddell> mornfall: sure
[07:29] <MrFaber> Tonio_: Because knetworkmanager doesn't work for me I edited interfaces to connect to my router with wpa, it seems that NetworkManager can't handle this
[07:29] <MrFaber> If I remove them NetworkManager starts fine
[07:30] <Tonio_> MrFaber: ah yes, maybe it just handles wep
[07:30] <Tonio_> MrFaber: interesting
[07:30] <MrFaber> Tonio_: no it works with wpa, but NetworkManager can'T handle it
[07:30] <MrFaber> I post it as a comment
[07:31] <Tonio_> yes, great ;)
[07:34] <MrFaber> I make a reboot to see knetworkmanager in action on start :)
[07:34] <bddebian> Bah, I'm not doing much significant :-(
[07:37] <bddebian> Adding libxine-codecs would break policy would it not?  Bug #37248
[07:37] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 37248 in amarok "AmaroK tries to play MP3 without support - Should give an error" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/37248
[07:39] <Riddell> bddebian: yes, I've been talking with the amarok developers about how to make it more user friendly
[07:39] <Riddell> but not much can be done with that bug at the moment
[07:39] <MrFaber> Tonio_: another strange thing :)
[07:40] <MrFaber> I am online direct after kde start which is great but knetwormanager doesn't show me that I am connected to a network.
[07:40] <MrFaber> Maybe because I needed some time to enter kwalletpassword
[07:41] <MrFaber> An the wirless networks in list haven't any name after reboot
[07:42] <bddebian> Riddell: Could it ever?  At least with regards to libxine-codecs since they are in multiverse?
[07:45] <Riddell> bddebian: yes, we're currently thinking of having an install-mp3.desktop file that amarok etc could run to get mp3 support 
[07:46] <bddebian> Ah, hmm.  So leave the bug as is?
[07:46] <Riddell> yeah
[07:46] <bddebian> OK
[07:50] <Lure> MrFaber: empty ESSID in knm is know bug (but not yet reported in Malone - feel free to report)
[07:51] <Lure> MrFaber: knm author is aware of the bug, so I hope it get fixed for 0.1 release (probably next week)
[07:51] <MrFaber> Tonio_: sorry that I bother you. After removing kwalletpassword I haven't the last problem but it seems that NetworkManager connects to my wpa route before kde start and after knetworkmanager start it disconnects and reconnects to my router so I lost connection to IRC
[07:51] <Tonio_> MrFaber: did you update your installation ?
[07:51] <Lure> MrFaber: do you still have wpa-xxx stuff in /e/n/i?
[07:52] <MrFaber> Tonio_: yes, latest installation at least if you haven't updated knm today
[07:52] <MrFaber> Lure: no, I have removed it
[07:52] <Tonio_> cause knetworkmanager doesn't now starts so early, I fixed this in the latest package
[07:52] <Tonio_> strage........
[07:52] <MrFaber> But it is so great :)
[07:52] <MrFaber> Nothing frickeling with interfaces or wpa_supplicant.conf
[07:52] <bddebian> Wow, adept is much nicer than synaptic
[07:53] <Riddell> we like to think so :)
[07:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: hehe
[07:54] <bddebian> You guys better be careful or I'll become a kubuntu convert ;-)
[07:55] <MrFaber> Tonio_: Installed: knetworkmanager 0.1~svn-r533312-0ubuntu1
[07:55] <MrFaber> Does it work with hide ssid too?
[07:56] <mornfall> bddebian: thanks :] 
[07:56] <bddebian> mornfall: For what? :-)
[07:56] <mornfall> bddebian: for the compliment
[07:56] <bddebian> Ah, you are welcome
[07:56] <Riddell> bddebian: mornfall write adept
[07:57] <bddebian> I just caught that :-)
[07:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: concerning bug  Bug #36865
[07:58] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 36865 in kdebase "Can't build index for man pages" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/36865
[07:59] <Tonio_> the workarround is very simple, as it is just depandancy issue
[07:59] <bddebian>  processClick(a real item) ?
[07:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: the problem is that the missing package, htdig, is in universe.......
[07:59] <Tonio_> bddebian: did you come to that conclusion too ? or do I miss something ?
[08:00] <bddebian> Tonio_: No, I think you are correct but as Riddell says it may be a policy problem?
[08:00] <MrFaber> Tonio_: Thanks for knetworkmanager and cu all
[08:01] <Tonio_> bddebian: I don't understand how can htdig successfully run if the binary is missing
[08:01] <Tonio_> bddebian: ah ! policy problem to put it in main ? 
[08:03] <Tonio_> bddebian: I'm a bit lost sorry, riddell talk about policy concerning amarok, not index building :)
[08:04] <bddebian> Tonio_: afaik, a main package cannot depend on a universe package.  But my knowledge is limited :-)
[08:05] <Tonio_> bddebian: yes I know that :) I'm just asking why isn't this in main already :)
[08:05] <Tonio_> but this is not complete workarround, there are two issues in fact
[08:05] <Tonio_> first is htdig missing, second is connection to "home" instead of "localhost"
[08:06] <Tonio_> New server: home, 80
[08:06] <Tonio_>  Unknown host: home
[08:06] <Tonio_> that will not work for sure
[08:12] <bddebian> Tonio_: Oh, that I can't answer.  I'm just a lowly MOTU :-)
[08:13] <Tonio_> bddebian: welcome aboard :) I'm not coredev too
[08:16] <Tonio_> bddebian: got it !!!!!!
[08:16] <Tonio_> file://home/tonio/.kde/share/apps/khelpcenter/index/kde_application_manuals.tmp/index.html
[08:17] <Tonio_> file:// is false ;) file:/ works
[08:17] <Tonio_> hehe
[08:17] <bddebian> Ahh, nice work
[08:17] <Tonio_> bddebian: the problem is that there is no need to patch this if we don't provide htdig
[08:21] <bddebian> What the heck is a St8bad_cast?
[08:22] <BluesKaj_> Howdy
[08:23] <bddebian> Hello BluesKaj_
[08:25] <BluesKaj_> Hi bddebian, I liked Kubuntu for a while til  after setting up my monitor drivers for it , the fonts became totally unreadable 
[08:26] <BluesKaj_> after booting up the next morning...very disappointing
[08:30] <BluesKaj_> I prefer kubuntu to suse 10.0 (which I'm using now) , but i think AMD 64 pc's and ati radeon video cards  have a tough time with kubuntu
[08:30] <BluesKaj_> any advice ?
[08:31] <Tonio_> BluesKaj_: this is due to nvidia + guidance
[08:31] <Tonio_> BluesKaj_: it has been resolved one week ago
[08:31] <Tonio_> guidance is patching xft.dpi to match 96 but the patch failed for a few days
[08:31] <BluesKaj_> not using nvidia
[08:31] <kmon> I have 2 amd64 machines with radeon both, and even thought it's not perfect (the laptop doesnt suspend/resume) it's quite ok
[08:31] <Tonio_> BluesKaj_: I think this was failing with any driver
[08:32] <Tonio_> but it was more bugging with nvidia since for some reasons dpi are detected with a higher value when you use them
[08:32] <BluesKaj_> what about the small unreadable fonts issue ?
[08:32] <Tonio_> BluesKaj_: that's what I'm saying to you, this is a resolved bug
[08:33] <Tonio_> latest version of the guidance package resolved this
[08:33] <BluesKaj_> IC , OK so I can reDL and install without fear ? :)
[08:33] <bddebian> ph3ar m3
[08:33] <kmon> BluesKaj_: perhaps you want to try first the live cd
[08:33] <kmon> :)
[08:34] <kmon> a daily one
[08:34] <BluesKaj_> yeah , well that's an option alright 
[08:34] <mornfall> bddebian: hmm?
[08:34] <mornfall> bddebian: what comments? :)
[08:35] <Tonio_> BluesKaj_: you can I think :)
[08:35] <mornfall> bddebian: bad_cast is bad_cast
[08:35] <mornfall> bddebian: stl exception
[08:35] <mornfall> bddebian: the rest is typeinfo decoration
[08:35] <BluesKaj_> kinda like this opers browser with builtin IRC . Will it run on Kubuntu as well 
[08:35] <BluesKaj_> err...Opera
[08:36] <Tonio_> BluesKaj_: you should use konqueror, really
[08:36] <Tonio_> there is not much difference with opera, and it is has by far better implementation
[08:36] <mornfall> bddebian: you are actually looking at adept code?
[08:36] <mornfall> bddebian: maniac
[08:37] <mornfall> :] 
[08:38] <kmon> Tonio_: yes :)
[08:38] <kmon> I would like to know what plans do kde devs have for konqui4
[08:38] <marseillai> Riddell: i can't find any information for how to use zeroconf with kde/kubuntu! nothing except "kubuntu got zeroconf support" i would like to try this for share folders, desktop and testing it! but i can't ... is there a wiki page for this or any place where i can find information in order to create this wiki page?
[08:39] <Tonio_> kmon: dunno, but I'm amazed when I see that so many kde users are avoiding konqueror for webbrowsing
[08:39] <BluesKaj_> not a konk fan :)
[08:39] <Tonio_> BluesKaj_: yes, another one :)
[08:39] <Tonio_> BluesKaj_: what is the problem with konq ?
[08:39] <BluesKaj_> FF works for me
[08:39] <jjesse> marseillai: all i wrote was that we have zeroconf, i don't know how to use it :)
[08:40] <kmon> jjesse: I think you need to install avahi to be able to use zeroconf
[08:40] <kmon> i.e. it's not enabled by default
[08:40] <BluesKaj_> Tonio, I don't care for konk graphics..I'm not particularly visually oriented but I prefer Opera's "look "
[08:41] <jjesse> kmon: thats what i've heard, but don't know how to use it
[08:41] <jjesse> is avahi in main?
[08:41] <kmon> jjesse: don't know
[08:42] <kmon> The theory behind is that with zeroconf enabled, you can have services discovered on the fly... for instance I could set up a ftp server and with zeroconf people on my lan could browse to see the ftp
[08:42] <kmon> but I have never used it
[08:42] <jjesse> thats pretty much all i have written in the release notes, but haven't used it myself
[08:48] <bddebian> mornfall: Yeah I was until I saw the "I know why this is happening" comment in the bug report
[08:48] <bddebian> mornfall: Oh and comments like "har har" and "*sigh*" :)
[08:49] <mornfall> hmm, /me greps
[08:49] <mornfall> bddebian: heh
[08:49] <mornfall> bddebian: okey :)
[08:49] <mornfall> bddebian: you were trying to track down the dependency-view context menu crasher?
[08:50] <marseillai> jjesse: it seems to work but it seems to need many configuration to work! :s
[08:51] <bddebian> mornfall: Yeah Bug #37948
[08:51] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 37948 in ept "[2.0 blocker]  'Package Relationships' list: right-clicking first package closes adept" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/37948
[08:52] <mornfall> bddebian: Lister::contextMenu
[08:52] <bddebian> Gads, I don't even know what to look at with these kubuntu bugs :'-(
[08:54] <mornfall> bddebian: hmm?
[08:54] <mornfall> you mean you don't like malone?
[08:54] <mornfall>  utils::upcastRange< entity::Package >( sel ) <-- that's it
[08:55] <bddebian> mornfall: No I mean I don't know what my dumb ass is capable of fixing :-(
[08:55] <mornfall> if there's something that's not package in selection, it dies
[08:55] <mornfall> (with bad_cast)
[08:55] <mornfall> bddebian: as for adept, don't worry
[08:56] <mornfall> the code is far from easy -- and the comments are really helpful -- if you know what the code does, already :-))
[08:58] <bddebian> :-)
[08:58] <bddebian> I mean in general unfortunately :-(
[09:02] <kmon> how many people here are going to (or are in now) Linuxtag?
[09:03] <kmon> it would be nice if some kind of minutes/videos or something else about the talks could be linked somewhere for people unable to go
[09:03] <kmon> hehe
[09:16] <kmon> bye
[09:54] <bddebian> Should this be filed against kubuntu-meta? Bug #38289
[09:54] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 38289 in kubuntu-meta "Safecom SWLP-54108 doesn't work straight out of the box" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/38289
[09:59] <bddebian> Did I scare everyone away? :-)
[09:59] <pygi> bddebian: nop :)
[10:00] <Lure> bddebian: I think this should go to linux-source
[10:00] <bddebian> Lure: That was kind of my thought
[10:03] <bddebian> I don't see this?  Reject?  Bug #38386
[10:03] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 38386 in kdebase "[Dapper]  kcontrol uses obsolete hotplug subsystem" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/38386
[10:07] <shawn_work> hmm, I saw one regression in beta 
[10:07] <shawn_work> kwin option swap
[10:07] <shawn_work> er kicker panel
[10:08] <shawn_work> Configure - KDE Panel: Appearance Option: General Section: the two options are swapped
[10:08] <shawn_work> Enable Icon mouseover effects becomes == Show tooltips
[10:09] <shawn_work> and Show tooltips doesnt do anything 
[10:16] <bddebian> It's starting to feel like xubuntu in here.. ;-P
[10:17] <crimsun> ughhhh.
[10:19] <bddebian> yikes
[10:19] <bddebian> How the hell do I start kmoon?
[10:19] <shawn_work> 'starting to feel' like xubuntu?
[10:19] <bddebian> shawn_work: Inside joke.  I was ribbing Riddell early on
[10:19] <shawn_work> oh :)
[10:20] <shawn_work> Is that regression I mentioned known?
[10:20] <shawn_work> if not i'll log a bug
[10:21] <bddebian> shawn_work: Did you check LP?
[10:21] <shawn_work> looking
[10:22] <Lure> bddebian: regarding 38386 - I think Riddell fixed this recently
[10:23] <marseillai> so after taking a look at avahi i can tell : it brings much more problem than solutions at least for moment
[10:24] <bddebian> Lure: Thx
[10:26] <_Sime> mornfall: ping
[10:27] <bddebian> So, how do I kick off kmoon applet??
[10:29] <Riddell> bddebian: Panel Menu->Add Applet to Panel
[10:29] <Riddell> right click on konqueror icon
[10:29] <bddebian> Ah, thx.
[10:30] <Riddell> shawn_work: those options should both be on by default
[10:31] <Riddell> Show tooltips does the large animated tooltips
[10:31] <Riddell> hmmm, or does i
[10:31] <Riddell> it
[10:31] <shawn_work> nope :)
[10:32] <shawn_work> it shows..no change 
[10:32] <bddebian> Hmm, I don't see tooltips for kmoon either
[10:32] <Riddell> upstream bug I think, I've not changed anything there
[10:32] <Riddell> bddebian: no, it doesn't have any
[10:32] <bddebian> Oh
[10:33] <bddebian> Whoops
[10:33] <bddebian> Hmm, maybe I'm not "helping" :-(
[10:33] <mornfall> _Sime: pong?
[10:34] <_Sime> hi
[10:35] <_Sime> about adept, how come when I add a repository and fetch the update info, I get an error message and adept crashes?
[10:35] <mornfall> no idea how that came
[10:35] <mornfall> backtrace could help
[10:35] <mornfall> what repository
[10:35] <mornfall> etc
[10:35] <mornfall> stdout
[10:35] <_Sime> and in /etc/apt/sources.list I see my entry but it has an extra 'X' written on the end of the line.
[10:38] <_Sime> can adept install "non-verified" packages?
[10:38] <mornfall> it doesn't checkt them at all
[10:38] <mornfall> -t
[10:38] <mornfall> but you still didn't give me much info
[10:39] <mornfall> like something i could actually use to debug it
[10:40] <_Sime> when adept has an "error fetching updates", it then crashes.
[10:42] <mornfall> let's see
[10:43] <_Sime> editing the repository list, just corrupted the first line in /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:43] <mornfall> okey, i can reproduce it
[10:43] <_Sime> I'll try to find out what the stuff is.
[10:44] <mornfall> (the crash)
[10:44] <mornfall> as for corruption, there was a bug and i fixed it in svn
[10:44] <mornfall> that when there are no components it appends garbage
[10:44] <bddebian> Well I'm heading to the Phillies games.  I'll see if I can "help" some more tonight or tomorrow.  Thanks folks
[10:45] <Lure> bddebian: thank you!
[10:45] <_Sime> it has added a 0xFF char to the end of the line.
[10:45] <_Sime> it sounds like that bug you just mentioned.